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    • TheDJBook I agree with Paul, enough is enough. I'm just a one man operation, I don't have the luxury of a team of designers or coders at my beck and call, but even I take the time to work in support for IE6. But when I say work in, I don't add some JavaScript or code a special CSS file set, I just simply take the time to validate and cross-browser check (plus cross-OS check) my work. That in itself makes things work in IE6, and to be honest I've had recent issues with IE8. You can’t dictate to users that they need to update from IE6, that in itself just means users will not surf your site, after all an average web surfer will not upgrade there browser to surf one site. I mean you would happily download an app or plug-in that takes 5 minutes to download and maybe another 5 plus a re-boot to install just to view a site. I very much doubt it. And to put some figures up for debate, 14.4% of internet users in July 2009 used IE6. Or to put it another way, Chrome came in at 6.5%, Safari at 3.3% and Opera at 2.1% according to browser stats from So come on IE6 bashers, just leave it alone, there's bigger fish to fry.
    • n_smooth @pauldunn - I certainly didn’t post this comment to get publicity. I have nothing to gain from this debate. Better to back up my opinion then just say "I agree". It just so happened I’d recently written about it. That’s all - no hidden agenda.
    • SorcaDesign I am part of the squish ie set. Working for a small agency with a high client volume, we simply don't have the time or resources to educate clients who can hardly forward an email, and to make a version of the site that can be viewed in an older browser. I think that's a privileged reserved for bigger agencies with bigger budgets, and more power to them! You can probably screen your clients more, and attract ones that have far more web savvy that the local businesses we get in here. So unless there's a way to accomplish your 'rants' goals in under an hour, I have to get my tweets behind the banishment of ie!
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    • aaronrussell Fair enough Japh, I do respect your opinion on the matter, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree with each other :) Fundamentally, for me it's an issue of ethics so you're going to find it difficult to sway me. On the other point about IE6's remaining life-cycle, I suppose where it goes from now is anybodies guess? My prediction of it being of no concern by this time next year is based on the rumours going round of Microsoft dropping support for Win2K (and therefore IE6) early next year. If that's true (which it might not be) then we can expect corps still using win2K to start getting their asses in gear some time soon. From my point of view, as soon as IE6 use drops below 2 or 3 percent then it's really not worth losing any sleep over, and it's feasible that could happen by the middle of next year? But perhaps I am being hopeful :)
    • Japh Hi Aaron, So sorry! I was only just alerted to your 'boo! I missed it somehow... Anyway, I still rather disagree with you that users would be bothered by this behaviour. Most security software does similar things. It's not deception, it's using a visual cue that user's are familiar with to communicate that they ought to take action and upgrade. Which is precisely the case! Else why would Microsoft have released IE7 as a high importance security update? Yes it looks like a warning message, because it is one, and yes it emulates Microsoft warning messages... because it's about Microsoft software. But I doubt user's are going to click it, download IE8 and upgrade, and then turn around and say "Hang on! I've been tricked into upgrading my software to the latest version!!" and get mad ;) Also, I wish I could agree with you about IE6 only having a few months left in it... Corporates will still be using IE6 this time next year, I guarantee you. But hopefully, they'll be well into testing later version on their SOEs and rolling them out across their networks by late next year! :D
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    • daviddixon but its still imitating an official MS alert bar. its malware because its advertising is dishonest in its delivery (the good intent aside). Its not all too dissimilar from someone putting a fake versign logo into a https page to give that customer "more confidence". The logo itself doesn't mean anything (without the link etc to verify the certificate), but a casual user wont know that, its still statement of authority that they recognise, just as the MS alert bar is.
    • iamkeir I pretty much agree with you and really like your measured delivery. However, the biggest issue for me is that the info bar is deliberately imitating the IE information bar... and, although the aim is a good one, by imitating a source, this is 'phishing' behaviour and surely cannot be endorsed? I think the best thing is if the info bar was self-styled and linked to a page that explained why upgrading would be beneficial to the user (in terms of security/accessibility etc.) and then linked to IE 8. This could easily be part of an accessibility statement on a website making the info bar completely legitimate.
    • Japh "Its also completely misleading to the user as you its pretending to be a MS alert bar, which it isnt. For all a customer knows, this could be a link to a dangerous piece of malware etc, it gives the impression on authority where none exists, and therefore is in itself malware." This is a fairly extreme and inaccurate statement. It is an alert bar, and it is about a Microsoft product that is out of date, and links directly to Microsoft's own website.
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    • Japh Thanks for your reply, Jim! I'm glad you agree with my comments, I thought your script was a really great approach. I don't think any of us can afford to "drop support" for IE6 yet, but this gives us a much more graceful way to provide a slightly reduced experience with an explanation. Great work! :)
    • jimrhoskins Thanks for the comments Japh. W agree 100% with your comments. We designed IE6Update for IE6 users, and giving them a chance to upgrade to a new IE version seemed much more appropriate than trying to switch them to another browser (be it firefox/safari/chrome/etc...) We don't officially support switching out the link destination, and in fact we would discourage it, but if site owners really prefer to do that, that is their choice. Here is some more info about why we created IE6Update: -- Jim, One of the IE6update creators.
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    Checking out which browsers work are easy to record on Audioboo. #test #browsers
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    • Gigapills Hello, podcast super intéressant, je suis frustré de ne pas entendre la fin, car audioboo c'est 5minutes maxi :-(
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    • busara Hi Paul, thought you might be interested in Xero's approach to the IE6 Issue.
    • matthillco Paul, I have just written a post on why IE6update is wrong and would really appreciate it if you could take the time to read and hopefully comment:
    • t1mmyb I agree with you, Paul. Well said.
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