S1 Ep64: Chris Cox The Mind Reader Who Cannot Read Minds Talks Magic! | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #64
This is an incredible interview. Chris talks about his entire career from starting out learning magic tricks to the weights of success he has now reached. Along the way he offers a lot of wonderful advice for magicians, mentalists and performers. This interview is basically a masterclass for how to get ahead in the world of performing and theatre. Chris talks and offers advice on many subje...
1hr 24m Jun 25, 2021
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S1 Ep63: Chris Dugdale | A Masterclass On How To Become a Successful Magician | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #63
Let's be honest Chris Dugdale has had the career that most magicians could only dream of. Chris Dugdale holds an unparalleled resumé in the field of magic. 14 Royal Performances including a private show for HM The Queen. He has mystified everyone from Beyoncé to the Pentagon, where he became the only magician in history to receive a medal of honour following his standing ovation performance. ...
1hr 28m Jun 22, 2021
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S1 Ep62: Wayne Dobson The Legend Of Magic Talks His Career | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #62
Wayne Dobson was born in Leicester and was just a youngster when he discovered the fun of magic for the first time. At just 16 years of age became the youngest-ever member of the Leicester Magic Circle. Throughout his teens he worked on his magic becoming a real master and having great fun performing to friends and family, and the occasional show at his local youth club. "David Nixon, Pat Pag...
1hr 32m Jun 20, 2021
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S1 Ep61: Paul Romhany - Paul Talks Vanish Magazine, Charlie Chaplin, Cruise Ships and More | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #61
Paul Romhany is a New Zealand-born magician best known for his Charlie Chaplin magic act. He has been awarded many industry awards including the PCAM Gold Medal and the Variety Artists Club of New Zealand Top Variety Act award. Paul has entertained the royal family of Monaco, performed at the famous Magic Castle in Hollywood and appeared in over 100 countries Paul has written over 24 books, in...
1hr 9m Jun 18, 2021
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S1 Ep60: Ben Earl The Best Card Magician On The Planet? Talks Studio 52 Magic | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #60
Ben is considered to be one of the finest magicians in the world. He is also the Founder and Managing Director of Studio52—a company focussed on advancing the art and craft of magic. In this interview Ben talks his career and the opportunities he has had along the way. He talks about Penn & Teller: Fool Us, Trick Artist and founding and. creating Studio 52 Magic. Along with this he offers so...
1hr 9m Jun 15, 2021
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S1 Ep59: Marc Lavelle - The Hardest Working Magician On The Planet | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #59
Marc Lavelle is one of the busiest magicians in the world. Since he started in magic he has capitalised on many different opportunities. He started working in a magic shop - World Magic Shop. However since then he has consulted on several TV shows, worked alongside several magic companies including Murphy's Magic. He has built an entertainment agency from the ground up that provides enterta...
1hr 35m Jun 13, 2021
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S1 Ep58: Michael O'Brien | The Nicest Guy In Magic Talks Youtube, Rings and More! | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #58
Michael O'Brien is an award winning magician who has performed magic all over the world including the Magic Castle in Hollywood, California as well as the Magic Circle in London, United Kingdom. He has made several television appearances including: KTLA 5, Mitú TV, and America's Got Talent. In addition to performing magic, Michael spends much of his time creating his own magic effects, giving ...
1hr 23m Jun 11, 2021
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S1 Ep57: Richard Young - One Half Of Young & Strange Speaks Out | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #57
Richard Young has been there and done that and then some! He founded and hosted one of the most popular magic podcasts ever created. He is part of internationally successful Illusion Act 'Young And Strange' who literally tour the world with their brand of comedy magic and illusions. He is in great demand as a professional magician. Finally he runs Changing Cards supplying some of the best g...
2hr 30m Jun 08, 2021
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S1 Ep56: Alan Rorrison Talks 30 Years Of Magic | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #56
Alan Rorrison is one of the top creative magicians in the UK. With multiple sell-out World Tours, TV appearances, consultancy credits (Dynamo & Troy), Magic Castle (Hollywood) and Magic Circle (London) performances, Alan has proven himself countless times to be at the top of the game. His creative exploits are used across the globe by countless magicians. With three decades in magic Alan has v...
1hr 2m Jun 06, 2021
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S1 Ep55: Peter Nardi - The Owner and Founder Of Alakazam Magic Speaks Out | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #55
Peter Nardi is one of the most well known names in magic. He is the founder, owner and CEO of Alakazam Magic. Alakazam Magic is on of the most respected magic dealers and producers in the world. They have been operating for a very long time and are responsible for some of the best creations ever produced for the magic community. On top of that he is a wonderful creator of magic. He has cre...
2hr 14m Jun 04, 2021
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S1 Ep54: MARK KAILIN The World's Best Illusionist Talks , The Illusionists & More | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #54
Mark Kalin has been one of the most influential magicians of the last three decades, bringing his amazing illusions to arenas, performing arts centers, television shows, and his own experimental theatre in Reno, Nevada, “Magic Underground.” As a young man Mark’s specialty was sleight-of-hand magic, but he later enlarged his act, with Jinger Leigh, to include tigers, panthers, and sensational,...
1hr 31m Jun 01, 2021
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S1 Ep53: Luke Oseland The King Of Social Media Discusses How The Magic Industry Is Changing | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #53
Luke Oseland The King Of Social Media Discusses How The Magic Industry Is Changing | Talk Magic #60 For more information on magic products make sure to visit the Magic TV website! 👇👇👇 https://www.magictv.org Luke Oseland Interview - The King Of Social Media Magic Discusses How The Magic Industry Is Changing Luke Oseland is only 18 Years old and. yet is setting the magic world on fire. Luke...
59m May 30, 2021
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S1 Ep52: Steve Faulkner - Reviewer, Card Magic Guru, Performer & Speaker The Total Package! | alk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #52
Steve Faulkner has literally done it all and then some. He is in demand as one of the top magicians in the UK. He is insanely talented and can literally do anything. He juggles at a very high level. His card magic is beautiful to watch. He is an incredible performer. He teaches and lectures and runs an online card magic school. He is also one of the most respected magic reviewers on YouT...
1hr 18m May 28, 2021
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S1 Ep51: Adam Wilber Talks Ellusionist, Creativity And Gives SNEAK PEEK On Upcoming Effects! | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #51
Adam Wilber is an expert in creativity. Not only has he created some of the best selling magic tricks of all time but he has also written the book on creativity. In fact. he has written 5 books on the subject of creativity. He tours the world keynoting to corporate audiences about how their staff can become more creative. His five books define the magic formula of creativity and are the mus...
1hr 34m May 25, 2021
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S1 Ep50: Paul Gordon - Magician, Creator and Author | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #50
Paul Gordon is a professional close-up magician and entertainer, best-selling author and popular magic lecturer. He's lectured and performed at 4Fs, Tannen's Jubilee, Penguin Live, FFAP (France), At The Table Live, The Magic Circle, Monaco All Stars, Blackpool Magic Convention and more. The card magic of Paul Gordon has received raves by the likes of Jeff McBride, Chad Long, Andi Gladwin, Raf...
1hr 23m May 23, 2021
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S1 Ep49: Michael Kaminskas - The King Of The Cups Showcases Some AWESOME Sleight Of Hand | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #49
An inventor and a creator of world-class magic with many instructional books, DVD's and effects on the market, Michael is known for his impeccable sleight-of-hand and smooth performance style. Dubbed "King of the Cups" by the late Mike Rogers, Michael has created both new and novel approaches to this classic as well as being the creator and manufacturer of the finest cups and balls sets and ...
1hr 48m May 21, 2021
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S1 Ep48: Wayne Fox The Man, The Myth, The Legend | Foxy Speaks Out! | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #48
Wayne Fox has done it all in the wonderful world of magic. He has performed throughout the world at a very high level. He is considered one of the best sleight of hand artistes in the UK and an incredibly entertaining performer. But beyond all of that he is a very prolific creator as well. His innovations and creations are used by magicians throughout the world. Tricks as Neat & Tidy, Light A...
2hr 14m May 18, 2021
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S1 Ep47: GREG WILSON - Greg Showcases Amazing Routines & more! | Talk Magic Podcast With Craig Petty #47
Gregory Wilson is a two-time FISM award-winner with a score of best-selling instructional DVD's on the market. In 1998, he was also awarded "Most Creative Magician of the Year" by the International Brotherhood of Magicians. He has contributed almost 100 original effects to MAGIC, Genii, Linking Ring, M.U.M., Arcane, Penumbra, Magic Menu, Channel One, Vanish, Labyrinth, Magicseen and other mag...
1hr 56m Apr 27, 2021
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S1 Ep46: John Carey The Ultimate Creator Of Commercial Close Up Magic | Talk Magic Podcast #46
This week on Talk Magic Craig sits down and chats to John Carey. Over the last decade John has become one of the top creators of close up magic in the UK. He has published 8 books, released countless DVD Projects and Downloads. He is very prolific however unlike a lot of creators his material is always super practical, workable and entertaining. You will not find an unworkable trick or rout...
1hr 18m Apr 25, 2021
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S1 Ep45: The Top TV Magician ALI COOK talks magic, acting, and more! | Talk Magic Podcast #45
Ali Cook is one of the most successful magicians in the UK. He has performed on several TV shows over the years including Monkey Magic, Secret World of Magic, Dirty Tricks, and Penn and Teller Fool Us. He has performed at a very high level his entire career and his client list reads as a who's who in the corporate world. Aside from magic in recent years Ali has carved out a very successful c...
1hr 16m Apr 23, 2021
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S1 Ep44: Danny Goldsmith One Of The Best Coin Magicians In The World! | Talk Magic Podcast #44
Danny Goldsmith is widely acknowledged as being one of the top coin magicians in the world. He burst onto the scenes a few years ago and immediately made a huge impact on the magic community. Danny's coin magic look like REAL MAGIC. While most magicians perform the same way as everyone else Danny has created concepts and presentations that push the boundaries of close up magic. Danny is one of...
1hr 52m Apr 20, 2021
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S1 Ep43: Fay Presto The Legend Of Magic Speaks Out And Does Not Hold Back! | Talk Magic Podcast #43
Fay Presto is arguably Britain's premier close-up magician. Voted The Magic Circle Close-up Magician of the Year 2012 and a former Tatler 'Party Entertainer of the Year' Fay has been personally requested to entertain HM The Queen on no less than six occasions, as well as performing for every other senior member of the Royal family. A Gold Star Member of The Inner Magic Circle, her powerful pers...
2hr 43m Apr 16, 2021
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S1 Ep42: RUSS BROWN | Russ Talks About The Future Of The Blackpool Magic Convention | Talk Magic Podcast #42
Russ Brown is one of the busiest people in magic. As well as running a company that supplies magicians to events all over the world he is also a full time performer and is basically the poster boy for magic in the Blackpool area. On top of a very busy career Russ also co-runs the largest magic convention in the world - The Blackpool Magic Convention. He has been stage managing the convention...
1hr 39m Apr 13, 2021
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S1 Ep41: Marvin Berglas The Founder Of Marvin's Magic | Talk Magic Podcast #41
Marvin Berglas is a magician and an entrepreneur. He founded Marvin's Magic which has become a global sensation. Marvin's Magic box sets are now sold in almost every country in the world and the brand continues to grow and grow. Marvin is the son of David Berglas who is one of the most respected magicians of all time. As such his 'origin story' into the wonderful world of magic is very diff...
1hr 5m Apr 09, 2021
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S1 Ep40: Scott Alexander One of the Funniest Performers In Magic! | Talk Magic Podcast #40
Scott Alexander is one of the most respected names in magic. He’s a creator and performer of the highest standard. He’s been on shows like America’s Got Talent, Penn and Teller Fool Us, the Oprah Winfrey show and more. Scott also had a run on the Las Vegas Strip at Ceaser Palace, where he made over four thousand performances over seven years. His shows combine large scale illusions with close u...
1hr 29m Apr 06, 2021
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S1 Ep39: Marc Spelmann The Man Behind BGT Sensation Magician X | Talk Magic Podcast #39
Marc Spelmann, often referred to as ‘Spelmann’ calls himself a ‘Mystery Artist’, as he combines the secrets and principles of a magician, the influence and deductive techniques of a mind reader, and the showmanship of a grand illusionist to create truly astonishing demonstrations of the improbable and impossible. He has entertained heads of state, celebrities and royalty over a career establi...
3hr 9m Apr 02, 2021
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S1 Ep38: Lloyd Barnes Talks Ellusionist, Murphy's Magic Quality Control & More! | Talk Magic Podcast #38
Lloyd Barnes is one of the top creators of magic in the world. He has been creating magic his entire life and many of his magical creations are best sellers. For many years Lloyd works with Ellusionist as part of their creative team,. While there he helped several creators release best selling products. Then in 2020 out the blue he left Ellusionist and eventually starting working with Murph...
2hr 9m Mar 30, 2021
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S1 Ep37: David Penn & Craig Petty REUNITE! Talking The Wizard Product Review, BGT & More! | Talk Magic Podcast #37
David Penn has been involved in magic his whole life. Over the last few decades he has had a career most magicians can only dream of. He has won every major UK Championship there is to win and has performed at the highest level his whole life. He performs close up, stage magic and grand illusions. More recently he pioneered Tech Magic and is now known as 'The Tech Magician'. As well as an ama...
1hr 43m Mar 26, 2021
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S1 Ep36: Henry Harrius FISM Winner and The King Of Rubik Cube Magic | Talk Magic Podcast #36
Henry is a professional magician based in Hong Kong. He joined the world of magic at the age of 7. Henry has won 1st prize both the 9th Hong Kong Close-up Magic Contest and the Asia Magic Association Close-up Magic Contest. In 2015, he became a Hong Kong FIRST by winning at the FISM World Championships of Magic, which is the equivalent of the Olympics in the world of magic. In 2017, Henry insp...
1hr 37m Mar 23, 2021
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S1 Ep35: Ryan Schlutz The King Of Self Working Card Magic | Talk Magic Podcast #35
Ryan Schlutz has become a master of creating incredibly deceptive effects that require almost no sleight of hand. He has published several books and released several DVD's and downloads throughout the years that deal with this subject. In his False Anchors books Ryan teaches a concept he has honed for over 20 years called False Anchors. As well as all this Ryan has released created The Locke...
1hr 30m Mar 19, 2021
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S1 Ep34: Dan Harlan The Most Creative And Knowledgeable Magician Alive Today | Talk Magic Podcast #34
Dan Harlan is a living legend of magic, there is no other way to describe him. He has been innovating and creating magic his entire life. He has created some of the most well known and respected products ever released to the magic community. His trick CardToon is widely acknowledged as the best selling magic trick of all time. Dan Harlan hasn't slowed down his entire career. For the last few ...
1hr 27m Mar 16, 2021
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S1 Ep33: ERIK TAIT Comedian, Magician, Sleight Of Hand Expert and The Best Beard In Magic! | Talk Magic #33
Erik Tait has won awards for both standup comedy and magic throughout North America, appeared on Penn & Teller: Fool Us and was the 2018 International Brotherhood of Magicians Gold Cups Close Up Competition Champion. He graduated with honors from the prestigious Humber College Comedy Writing and Performance program, which means Erik can academically prove why he is hilarious. Beyond that, Eri...
2hr 7m Mar 12, 2021
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S1 Ep32: Noel Qualter The Super Creative Digital Magician | Talk Magic With Craig Petty #32
Noel Qualter is one of the top magicians in the whole of the UK. He is an incredibly busy magician that has performed at a very high level his entire life. However as well as performing Noel is also an incredibly popular creator of magic. His creations are used by magicians throughout the world and are always clever and super practical. On top of all this Noel has been among the early pione...
1hr 52m Mar 09, 2021
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S1 Ep31: Joe Rindfleisch The King Of Rubber Band Magic | Talk Magic With Craig Petty #31
On this weeks Talk Magic Craig sits down and speaks to Joe Rindfleisch. Joe is one of the most knowledgeable magicians in the world. A true historian he has studied the art of magic for many years. Joe has released, produced and created hundreds of routines over the years however he is most well known for revolutionising the art of Rubber Band Magic. He has literally written the book over a...
1hr 13m Mar 05, 2021
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S1 Ep30: Michael J Fitch One Of The Most SUCCESSFUL Magicians In The UK! | Talk Magic #30
Michael J Fitch is one of the UK’s most exciting entertainers, with over 25 years experience including many TV appearances and sell out shows to his name. ​ He creates an energy and instant rapport with his audience. Michael’s magic of the mind has to be seen to be believed, and his incredible spoon bending has recently received compliments from Uri Geller and David Copperfield. ​ Michael is...
1hr 35m Mar 02, 2021
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S1 Ep29: Luke Dancy The Face Of Murphy's Magic | Talk Magic With Craig Petty #29
Luke Dancy is an incredible magician and has literally 'done it all' within the magic world. He has been performing his whole life and has performed in every time of venue for every type of audience. He is a magician, a creator, a marketer and a consultant. He has a consultant for Chris Angel for many years and has released some of the most commercial magic ever created. For the last few ye...
1hr 20m Feb 26, 2021
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S1 Ep28: John Archer - The Funniest Magician In Britain | Talk Magic With Craig Petty #28
This week on Talk Magic Craig sits down and chats with John Archer. John is a legend within the magic community and throughout his career has literally done it all. n 1998, John was awarded the Ken Dodd President's Trophy for Best New Magical Comedy Entertainer. In February 2000, he took part in the British Magical Championships, and was awarded British Magical Champion of Comedy. In November...
1hr 45m Feb 23, 2021
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S1 Ep27: Mike Powers Talks Close Up Magic At It's Finest! Talk Magic With Craig Petty #27
This week on Talk Magic Craig Petty sits down and interviews Mike Powers. Mike has literally written the book (several book actually) on close up magic. He runs the Mall Of Magic and has created some of the most well known magical creations of all time. Mike Powers has been practicing the art of magic for over 30 years. He is the author of four books on sleight of hand magic and writes a col...
1hr 25m Feb 19, 2021
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S1 Ep26: Dave Bonsall The Founder Of PropDog Talks Magic With Craig Petty #26
Dave Bonsall is an incredible performer and his story is very inspirational. Dave started as Marine and then became a full time magician. He was at the top of his game having performed for Royalty and some of the biggest clients you could imagine. Then one day he gave it all up to become a magic dealer. in this interview Dave task about is career and offers advice on performing and generati...
1hr 26m Feb 16, 2021
1hr 26m
S1 Ep25: Doc Eason 'The King Of Bar Magic' - Talking Magic With Craig Petty Episode #25
On today's Talk Magic we have the legend that is Doc Eason. For 27 years, he was the featured entertainer at John Denver's World Famous Tower Comedy/ Magic Bar in Snowmass Village, CO. (1977–2004). He is also a corporate entertainer, lecturer, public speaker, author, teacher, consultant and recently was involved in the Fox TV show "Masters of Illusion". He talks to corporate and association gr...
1hr 26m Feb 12, 2021
1hr 26m
S1 Ep24: The Super Creative French Magician Étienne Pradier! | Talk Magic With Craig Petty
This week on Talk Magic we have the one and only Étienne Pradier. Étienne is a true living legend and has dominated the corporate market in the UK for the last 30 years. Over his career Étienne has entered and won numerous competitions. He received the title of Magician of the Year by The Magic Circle, which he joined in 1997. Two years later, he again took third place in the Ron MacMilla...
1hr 15m Feb 09, 2021
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S1 Ep23: The Most MIND-BLOWING Interview With Patrick Redford! | Talk Magic With Craig Petty
Today Craig sits down with George Tait (AKA Patrick Redford). Patrick has been creating and performing magic since he was a child. Patrick Redford is known throughout the magic community for both his mentalism and magic. His book 2016 book Applesauce containing a slew of different impromptu impossible effects has sold nearly 10,000 units world wide. His work on the Memorized deck took the w...
2hr 47m Feb 05, 2021
2hr 47m
S1 Ep22: Tom Crosbie Talks The Edingburgh Fringe & Becoming A Stage Magician | Talk Magic With Craig Petty
Welcome back to Talk Magic. Every Tuesday at 9pm Craig Petty interviews a different magician from around the world. This week Craig talks to Tom Crosbie. Tom started off as a magician and creator of magic. Over the last few years Tom has moved away from magic and has branded himself a performing nerd. He has sold out The Edinburgh Fringe Festival three years in a row and performs his one man ...
1hr 30m Feb 02, 2021
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S1 Ep21: Talk Magic Podcast - Andi Gladwin Founder Of Vanishing Inc | Talk Magic With Craig Petty
On this episode of Talk Magic Craig sits down and talks with Andi Gladwin. Andi Gladwin is a British magician, speaker, and publisher. He has appeared on television (ITV's Next Great Magician, Penn & Teller: Fool Us, The Big Breakfast, Lance Burton's Young Magician Showcase, Masters of Illusion and more, has lectured for magicians throughout the UK, US and Europe and written / published books...
1hr 8m Jan 29, 2021
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S1 Ep20: Talk Magic Podcast - Owen Strickland | With Craig Petty
Owen Strickland is one of the busiest working professional magicians in the UK. He really is at the top of his game. He has been entertaining audiences for many years, performing in a range of venues from bars to private functions, to the most exclusive Wedding Venues. Owen is available to hire as a Wedding Magician, Close Up Magician and Corporate Events Magician across the Walsall, Birmingh...
2hr 24m Jan 26, 2021
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S1 Ep19: Talk magic Podcast With Craig Petty - Bizzaro
This week on Talk Magic Craig Petty sits down with the world renowned Bizzaro. If you haven't heard of Bizzaro then what rock have you been living under? In a world full of reality TV and lackluster entertainment, Bizzaro. The Optical Illusionist proves that "normal" is just the setting on a dryer. Bizzaro has performed in over a dozen countries and has appeared on FOX, NBC, America’s Got Ta...
1hr 55m Jan 25, 2021
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S1 Ep18: Chris Congreave | Talk Magic With Craig Petty
Chris Congreave Magic Interview - Talk Magic Every Tuesday at 9pm Craig Petty interviews a different magician from around the world. These interviews are some of the most popular on the channel. This week Craig interviews Chris Congreave. Chris has been a working professional magician for over 15 years and has created some of the most popular commercial magic tricks used today. He is just a...
1hr 19m Jan 19, 2021
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S1 Ep17: Talk Magic With David Regal | Hosted By Craig Petty
David Regal Interview - Talk Magic With Craig Petty To visit David's website and sign up for his email list please visit www.davidregal.com Every Tuesday at 9pm we upload an interview with a well known magician. someone who has had a positive impact on the magic community. Today Craig sits down and chats with David Regal. David Regal has written for television series ranging from Rugrats ...
1hr 19m Jan 15, 2021
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S1 Ep16: Talk Magic Podcast - Daniel Chard The Ultimate Card Magician
Welcome to Episode 7 of Talk Magic. Every Tuesday & Friday at 9pm we upload a Talk Magic Episode. This is an interview with a creator or magic or someone who has influenced the Magic Community in a positive way. Today Craig sits down and talks to Daniel Chard. Daniel is one of the top cards magicians in the world and has created dozens of wonderful card routines. He has published DVD's, Downl...
1hr 7m Jan 12, 2021
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S1 Ep15: Talk Magic Podcast | Russ Stevens Talks Magic In Britains Got Talent
This week on Talk Magic we have Russ Stevens who is a legend of magic in the UK. Russ Stevens' career started in 1977 when at the age of sixteen, he won the coveted Magic Circle Young Magician of the Year Competition. Later that year he starred in their annual show in London's West-End, and was an immediate hit turning professional at the beginning of 1978. The years that followed saw a succe...
1hr 30m Jan 08, 2021
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