1 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,369 KATE MARTIN: Welcome to the National Trust podcast. 2 00:00:14,489 --> 00:00:18,649 I'm Kate Martin area ranger at Formby on the beautiful Sefton 3 00:00:18,659 --> 00:00:21,030 Coast and a full on nature lover. 4 00:00:21,940 --> 00:00:24,959 I'll be taking you on some amazing walks in the next three 5 00:00:24,969 --> 00:00:29,239 episodes of the series, we'll be exploring the trust's amazing 6 00:00:29,250 --> 00:00:33,520 spaces, delving into the stories and characters that make each 7 00:00:33,529 --> 00:00:34,919 place so special. 8 00:00:37,319 --> 00:00:41,110 We'll be traveling all around the country from hilltop to 9 00:00:41,119 --> 00:00:45,790 seaside. We'll tread sandy paths and the polished wooden floors 10 00:00:45,799 --> 00:00:50,869 of country homes. Delight in birdsong, sublime views and 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,909 exceptionally good cream teas. 12 00:00:55,380 --> 00:00:59,209 So come and join me on this journey and immerse yourself in 13 00:00:59,220 --> 00:01:01,290 the wonders of the National Trust 14 00:01:09,089 --> 00:01:12,110 Today I'm on my way to the Peak District on a bit of a walker's 15 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:12,870 pilgrimage. 16 00:01:16,699 --> 00:01:19,629 Now, the Peak District is an enormous national park that 17 00:01:19,639 --> 00:01:24,319 covers 550 square miles. And Kinder Scout is the highest peak 18 00:01:24,330 --> 00:01:27,110 standing over 600m above sea level. 19 00:01:28,260 --> 00:01:31,559 It's the perfect antidote to the hubbub and smog of the city. 20 00:01:32,489 --> 00:01:35,680 So what better place to begin this collection of walking 21 00:01:35,690 --> 00:01:38,459 podcasts than Kinder Scout in the Peak District? 22 00:01:39,980 --> 00:01:42,839 A place that has come to symbolize walking freedoms in 23 00:01:42,849 --> 00:01:55,339 the UK. 24 00:01:55,339 --> 00:01:58,660 I'm walking towards the Bowden Bridge car park, which is about 25 00:01:58,669 --> 00:02:01,919 a mile outside the village of Hayfield. This is where we'll 26 00:02:01,930 --> 00:02:03,110 start our walk. 27 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,480 But first I've arranged to meet local author, Roly Smith, who's 28 00:02:06,489 --> 00:02:09,479 going to give us some background on why Kinder holds such a 29 00:02:09,490 --> 00:02:12,839 special place in the hearts of many outdoor enthusiasts In this 30 00:02:12,850 --> 00:02:13,839 part of the world. 31 00:02:17,740 --> 00:02:19,929 Hi, Roly it's Really nice to meet you. 32 00:02:20,229 --> 00:02:23,419 So you brought me to a car park. Doesn't look like the most 33 00:02:23,429 --> 00:02:26,789 auspicious beginning, but I'm sure it was a- there's a lot of 34 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,130 history here I believe! 35 00:02:28,130 --> 00:02:31,729 ROLY SMITH: There is in 1932 this wasn't a car park, it was a 36 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:32,399 quarry. 37 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,550 KATE MARTIN: We're standing beneath this absolutely 38 00:02:34,559 --> 00:02:37,770 beautiful plaque just on the rock behind me which says "The 39 00:02:37,779 --> 00:02:41,949 mass trespass onto Kinder Scout started from this quarry 24th of 40 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,710 April 1932." 41 00:02:43,710 --> 00:02:46,139 And I believe you're the person who can tell us all about this. 42 00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:50,039 ROLY SMITH: Well, we have to go back really to, you know, 100 43 00:02:50,050 --> 00:02:53,960 more years ago when the enclosure acts came in all over 44 00:02:53,970 --> 00:02:54,639 Britain. 45 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,169 And large areas of open country. It used to be common land where 46 00:02:58,179 --> 00:03:02,839 anybody could walk, graze their sheep, get wood for fires, peat 47 00:03:02,850 --> 00:03:05,750 for fires. This sort of thing was freely available. 48 00:03:05,889 --> 00:03:09,309 The enclosure acts came in and all the land including Kinder 49 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:14,149 Scout behind us was parcelled off to local landowners and they 50 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:20,009 were policed by gamekeepers who kept everybody else off. 51 00:03:20,009 --> 00:03:25,429 And in 1932- Easter 1932, a group of, Manchester Ramblers 52 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,330 mainly decided, you know, if there was enough of us, they 53 00:03:28,339 --> 00:03:32,759 couldn't turn us back. So they organized and publicized a mass 54 00:03:32,770 --> 00:03:33,429 trespass. 55 00:03:34,429 --> 00:03:37,490 Benny Rothman climbed up one of these rocks up here and 56 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:41,970 addressed the crowd and told them about the theft of the land 57 00:03:41,979 --> 00:03:45,169 and that sort of thing and how they just wanted to walk on the 58 00:03:45,179 --> 00:03:47,550 moors. They weren't going to do any harm. They weren't 59 00:03:47,559 --> 00:03:50,259 interested in any confrontations or anything like that. 60 00:03:50,270 --> 00:03:52,029 They just wanted to walk on the moors. 61 00:03:52,389 --> 00:03:55,889 Benny wasn't supposed to be the leader, really someone else was 62 00:03:55,899 --> 00:04:00,179 supposed to give the talk- in this quarry and he backed out at 63 00:04:00,190 --> 00:04:03,350 the last minute because he said I might lose my job if my boss 64 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,759 hears about this. So Benny was pushed into the forefront as it 65 00:04:06,770 --> 00:04:07,089 were. 66 00:04:08,289 --> 00:04:11,179 So they, they all set off singing, they were all singing 67 00:04:11,190 --> 00:04:15,289 The Internationale and songs like that all waiting for one 68 00:04:15,300 --> 00:04:18,820 another to get across styles so that nobody was left behind. The 69 00:04:18,829 --> 00:04:22,059 police couldn't keep up with them. So they waited to come 70 00:04:22,070 --> 00:04:22,709 back down. 71 00:04:24,679 --> 00:04:28,470 They made this deliberate trespass. They used the whistle 72 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,019 to tell everybody when to step off the path. And at an 73 00:04:33,029 --> 00:04:35,829 appointed time, they, they blew the whistle, stepped off the 74 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,309 path up the slope where they met this group of Gamekeepers. And 75 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,440 there were a few little scuffles, that sort of thing. 76 00:04:44,209 --> 00:04:47,910 And they, but they went on and met another group who'd come all 77 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,100 the way over from Sheffield from the Edale side of the mountain 78 00:04:51,670 --> 00:04:53,119 and had a victory meeting. 79 00:04:53,130 --> 00:04:59,010 And then all came back down here to Hayfield where six of them 80 00:04:59,019 --> 00:05:03,470 were arrested and eventually five of them were actually 81 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,290 imprisoned for walking on the moors. 82 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,559 Now, that's always struck a chord with me how, how that 83 00:05:09,570 --> 00:05:13,799 could happen. And those guys actually became martyrs to the 84 00:05:13,809 --> 00:05:17,899 cause I suppose. And, that's why we celebrate them and that's why 85 00:05:17,910 --> 00:05:21,700 we don't want people to forget the sacrifice those young lads 86 00:05:21,709 --> 00:05:22,179 made. 87 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,179 KATE MARTIN: So now we've spoken so much about this walk. I am 88 00:05:31,190 --> 00:05:33,850 really excited to go and do it. So I'm gonna meet a group. 89 00:05:33,859 --> 00:05:36,459 Of National Trust rangers and managers who are going to join 90 00:05:36,470 --> 00:05:37,500 me on this journey. 91 00:05:37,529 --> 00:05:39,540 I said I'd meet them in the woods. So let's head off and 92 00:05:39,549 --> 00:05:39,899 meet them. 93 00:05:41,309 --> 00:05:43,100 So I'm joined by Tom Harmon. 94 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,019 TOM HARMON: I'm project officer for the Dark Peak. 95 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:45,899 KATE MARTIN: Shane Bates 96 00:05:45,910 --> 00:05:47,630 SHANE BATES: And I'm the area ranger for Kinder Scout and 97 00:05:48,010 --> 00:05:48,070 Edale. 98 00:05:48,250 --> 00:05:49,170 KATE MARTIN: And John Stewart. 99 00:05:49,179 --> 00:05:51,059 JOHN STEWART: I'm the general manager for the Peak District. 100 00:05:51,070 --> 00:05:54,670 KATE MARTIN: Nice to meet you guys. So Tom, tell me what kind 101 00:05:54,679 --> 00:05:55,980 of walk is this going to be today? 102 00:05:56,130 --> 00:05:58,450 TOM HARMON: We're gonna do the trespass walk, which goes up 103 00:05:58,459 --> 00:06:00,119 Kinder Scout, which is the highest point in the Peak 104 00:06:00,130 --> 00:06:03,100 District. It's quite a strenuous walk. It's about five or six 105 00:06:03,109 --> 00:06:06,179 miles and it'll take us between five and six hours. 106 00:06:06,730 --> 00:06:08,259 KATE MARTIN: Right then! 107 00:06:08,259 --> 00:06:08,489 TOM HARMON: Let's go. 108 00:06:14,299 --> 00:06:17,790 KATE MARTIN: So, coming out of a beautiful woodland to the 109 00:06:17,799 --> 00:06:18,470 reservoir. 110 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,970 TOM HARMON: Yes. And then as we, we climb the cobbled track, 111 00:06:21,980 --> 00:06:24,709 which is a little bit steep, we'll eventually get to the 112 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,130 level with the water. And, we'll get a nice view of, Kinder. 113 00:06:28,660 --> 00:06:31,869 KATE MARTIN: Really is beautiful and some spectacular heather 114 00:06:32,190 --> 00:06:35,630 just on our left hand side here in full bloom. It's beautiful. 115 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:37,929 TOM HARMON: Yeah, we've picked the perfect time for you to 116 00:06:37,940 --> 00:06:42,130 come. Really. It's really vibrant and- in near the end of 117 00:06:42,140 --> 00:06:42,839 August. 118 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,470 KATE MARTIN: I could just see, even though I'm somewhat short 119 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,459 in stature, over this nice high wall next to us and just looking 120 00:06:49,470 --> 00:06:53,399 down over sort of the buildings by the reservoir and just 121 00:06:53,410 --> 00:06:56,140 starting to see some of the peaks over to the right in the 122 00:06:56,149 --> 00:06:58,640 distance. It's absolutely beautiful day. 123 00:07:00,790 --> 00:07:02,739 TOM HARMON: Notice to change of habitat. So we've walked through 124 00:07:02,750 --> 00:07:05,880 some quite, you know, well established woodlands. And then 125 00:07:05,890 --> 00:07:08,570 we've, we've come to this point now and if you look around as in 126 00:07:08,579 --> 00:07:11,279 the Bracken, you'll actually see some, some young freshly planted 127 00:07:11,290 --> 00:07:14,160 trees which have been here for the last two or three years. 128 00:07:14,230 --> 00:07:16,369 KATE MARTIN: So what's the benefit of tree planting in this 129 00:07:16,380 --> 00:07:17,019 location? 130 00:07:17,179 --> 00:07:19,200 TOM HARMON: Diversify the habitat. A lot of these areas 131 00:07:19,209 --> 00:07:23,399 are very dominated by Bracken and grasses and they don't have 132 00:07:23,410 --> 00:07:26,070 much environmental value. So getting these trees here, 133 00:07:26,079 --> 00:07:28,369 encouraging the birds to come and other wildlife. 134 00:07:31,519 --> 00:07:33,450 You just look back at the woodland that we've just walked 135 00:07:33,459 --> 00:07:35,805 through. You can just see above the reservoir there's a Kestrel 136 00:07:35,805 --> 00:07:35,989 hovering? 137 00:07:36,500 --> 00:07:37,440 KATE MARTIN: Yeah, just there. 138 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:44,980 So here we are next to a sign saying William Clough. So for 139 00:07:44,989 --> 00:07:47,799 those people that aren't northern like us and don't know 140 00:07:47,809 --> 00:07:50,429 what a Clough is. Can you explain what a Clough is? 141 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,910 TOM HARMON: Well, I think Shane our ranger is probably the best 142 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:53,970 place to answer that question. 143 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,519 SHANE BATES: A clough is technically a wooded valley. 144 00:07:56,529 --> 00:07:59,130 Although the trees at William Clough have, have largely been 145 00:07:59,140 --> 00:08:02,600 lost now. And that's why we've been involved in trying to 146 00:08:02,609 --> 00:08:06,070 reinstate the woodland planting that we've been doing since the 147 00:08:06,079 --> 00:08:07,799 trust acquired the land in 1982. 148 00:08:08,339 --> 00:08:10,470 KATE MARTIN: Well, one of the famous cloughs of, of this sort 149 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,989 of area with this gorgeous stream running down side with 150 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,980 the sun glinting off it and plenty of Gnats as well by the 151 00:08:15,989 --> 00:08:17,679 look of it flying over the top. 152 00:08:18,190 --> 00:08:22,070 You can completely see why people want to walk here and why 153 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:24,450 they wanted to walk here back in the 1930s. 154 00:08:24,459 --> 00:08:26,399 TOM HARMON: Yeah, you can, I mean, you know, it's such a 155 00:08:26,410 --> 00:08:28,660 fantastic landscape and it's been quite rugged as well 156 00:08:28,670 --> 00:08:31,910 walking and it makes you really feel like you've, you've escaped 157 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,169 the cities and a lot of these people that came out in the 158 00:08:34,179 --> 00:08:37,570 trespass, you know, the workers from Manchester and Sheffield 159 00:08:37,859 --> 00:08:40,549 and this was their park really, you know and they weren't 160 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:41,320 allowed access. 161 00:08:41,330 --> 00:08:44,500 I always like to think of the issues, the People's Park 162 00:08:44,510 --> 00:08:46,719 because it's the people that opened it up and freed it. 163 00:08:47,359 --> 00:08:49,830 KATE MARTIN: It took quite a long time. It didn't it in 1932 164 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,059 from the mass trespass, it was 68 years before the Countryside 165 00:08:53,070 --> 00:08:56,320 Rights Of Way Act happened in 2000. So what happened in the 166 00:08:56,330 --> 00:08:56,940 meantime? 167 00:08:57,229 --> 00:08:59,549 JOHN STEWART: So national Parks were created and the Peak 168 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,389 District was the very first one in 1951. 169 00:09:03,389 --> 00:09:06,169 Ranger service started to get established then. So we've got 170 00:09:06,179 --> 00:09:08,400 National Park Authority ranger services and we've got National 171 00:09:08,409 --> 00:09:11,580 Trust ranger services, helping people enjoy the countryside. 172 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,429 But it was quite a few more years actually, until the, you 173 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,960 know, the real aspiration of the trespassers was realized because 174 00:09:17,969 --> 00:09:21,299 in 2000, the government passed the Countryside And Rights Of 175 00:09:21,309 --> 00:09:22,309 Way Act. 176 00:09:22,309 --> 00:09:26,500 And that enshrined the rights of people to go to open areas, 177 00:09:26,510 --> 00:09:29,619 mountain, moore, heath and down these sort of places. 178 00:09:29,650 --> 00:09:34,119 And it was now your- rather than having to get permission or 179 00:09:34,130 --> 00:09:36,020 agreement, it was about your rights. 180 00:09:36,830 --> 00:09:39,109 So we, we also have to say that with rights come 181 00:09:39,119 --> 00:09:42,280 responsibilities and we have a lot of people visiting the Peak 182 00:09:42,289 --> 00:09:42,840 District. 183 00:09:42,849 --> 00:09:45,859 It's a very accessible part of the country for the most 184 00:09:45,869 --> 00:09:48,679 accessible upland in the world in many ways. And so there's a 185 00:09:48,690 --> 00:09:53,440 lot of people come here. So big job for us to, to manage and 186 00:09:53,450 --> 00:09:56,559 facilitate that access and make sure people have a, you know, a 187 00:09:56,570 --> 00:09:57,559 really good time. 188 00:09:59,859 --> 00:10:02,119 KATE MARTIN: Up until now. We've had this walk pretty much to 189 00:10:02,130 --> 00:10:04,919 ourselves, but we've just met some lovely ramblers who 190 00:10:04,929 --> 00:10:07,119 followed us. So, what is it about the Peak District that 191 00:10:07,130 --> 00:10:07,909 appeals to you? 192 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,510 GENERIC: It's the second time I've been up here in the last 10 193 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,950 years or so. It's just the open spaces really. I think more and 194 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,309 more people are starting to get into like what you call it 195 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,520 rambling. We just call it walking. 196 00:10:20,530 --> 00:10:23,450 KATE MARTIN: Continue on to this beautiful heather clad clough 197 00:10:23,469 --> 00:10:24,719 and enjoy the rest of your walk. 198 00:10:24,770 --> 00:10:26,559 GENERIC: You have a nice day. Bye. 199 00:10:35,390 --> 00:10:38,239 KATE MARTIN: Finally got to the top of William Clough finally 200 00:10:38,250 --> 00:10:40,799 onto a slightly flat bit before we take on the next real steep 201 00:10:40,809 --> 00:10:45,559 challenge and just turned around and the view is absolutely 202 00:10:45,570 --> 00:10:48,739 stunning. So Tom, what can we see here? 203 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:51,090 TOM HARMON: Yeah. Well, I think, you know, this is a great place 204 00:10:51,099 --> 00:10:53,559 to stop because, sometimes when you're walking up these hills 205 00:10:53,570 --> 00:10:56,219 and you're looking down at your feet trying to think of the top. 206 00:10:56,330 --> 00:10:58,719 You, you miss the view and you know, some of the times the best 207 00:10:58,729 --> 00:11:01,210 view is behind you. You can see you can see for miles, you know, 208 00:11:01,219 --> 00:11:03,299 it's looking towards the Manchester direction and it's 209 00:11:03,700 --> 00:11:05,010 just a fantastic view. 210 00:11:05,549 --> 00:11:08,530 KATE MARTIN: So you've got these lovely sort of flat plateaus and 211 00:11:08,539 --> 00:11:11,500 others that are slightly more pointy just over to our right 212 00:11:11,510 --> 00:11:14,320 hand side. You can just see some of the, the towers of 213 00:11:14,330 --> 00:11:15,159 Manchester. 214 00:11:15,530 --> 00:11:18,729 Amazing. I mean, how different this looks now than it would. 215 00:11:18,739 --> 00:11:20,820 A few 100 years ago when it would have been really 216 00:11:20,830 --> 00:11:21,789 industrialized. 217 00:11:26,150 --> 00:11:27,619 SHANE BATES: When I first started coming up here in the 218 00:11:27,630 --> 00:11:31,219 1960s. It was not long after the Clean Air Act. 219 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,349 Basically used to climb up out of the smog and the fog and it's 220 00:11:36,359 --> 00:11:40,630 not long ago that if you walked across the moorlands, your legs 221 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,419 would be get black because of all the soot on the vegetation. 222 00:11:44,349 --> 00:11:48,479 So like Tom said, the air quality now is just unbelievable 223 00:11:48,539 --> 00:11:51,880 and that's got implications for the amount of vegetation, the 224 00:11:51,890 --> 00:11:55,849 types of vegetation we've got now and we're now finding plants 225 00:11:56,270 --> 00:11:59,909 that are coming back that have not been recorded for over 100 226 00:11:59,919 --> 00:12:00,369 years. 227 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:06,369 KATE MARTIN: So, looking straight ahead, I can see a 228 00:12:06,380 --> 00:12:11,340 very, very steep climb up to Scout End or Sandy Hay is the 229 00:12:11,349 --> 00:12:14,989 other name for it. We've been told. So just gonna tackle that. 230 00:12:27,380 --> 00:12:30,979 That was a heck of a climb. But finally we're here. 231 00:12:31,260 --> 00:12:33,340 TOM HARMON: It's, well- we are at the highest point in the Peak 232 00:12:33,349 --> 00:12:41,500 District. Kinder Scout is 636m above sea level. And so, you 233 00:12:41,510 --> 00:12:43,739 know, with it being the highest point, you've got some of the 234 00:12:43,750 --> 00:12:44,320 best views. 235 00:12:44,330 --> 00:12:47,719 And as you can see now, if you look to our right, you can look 236 00:12:47,729 --> 00:12:51,669 over towards the Manchester side of Kinder and, literally see for 237 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:52,229 miles. 238 00:12:52,469 --> 00:12:55,039 Yeah. And if you look to the left, you can see we're starting 239 00:12:55,049 --> 00:12:57,070 to get towards the area now where we've done a lot of 240 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,250 conservation work over the last sort of five or six years. 241 00:13:05,710 --> 00:13:08,090 KATE MARTIN: This area we're in at the moment is really 242 00:13:08,099 --> 00:13:11,080 spectacular with all these sort of funny shaped rocks sort of 243 00:13:11,090 --> 00:13:14,150 cascading down into a clough where I can just about hear 244 00:13:14,159 --> 00:13:15,169 running water, I think. 245 00:13:15,179 --> 00:13:17,030 TOM HARMON: Yeah, it's just below us. You can't quite see 246 00:13:17,039 --> 00:13:19,979 it, but that's a Kinder Downfall. It's the, the highest 247 00:13:19,989 --> 00:13:23,510 waterfall in England. And as we go a bit further around and 248 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,809 across the river and we keep on walking, we're about to see a 249 00:13:26,820 --> 00:13:31,530 great view, of the downfall which sometimes blows and flows 250 00:13:31,539 --> 00:13:33,409 upwards on windy days. 251 00:13:33,419 --> 00:13:35,690 It's all very magical and mystical up here. It's quite 252 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:38,690 unique in that sense and it has been known to be ice climbed in 253 00:13:38,700 --> 00:13:42,400 winter. We've got some pictures of people back in, back in the 254 00:13:42,409 --> 00:13:47,539 fifties and sixties climbing with ice axe and an old ropes. 255 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:51,450 And, it's quite impressive. I wouldn't recommend it looks 256 00:13:51,460 --> 00:13:54,059 quite dangerous. But people used to come up where in their 257 00:13:54,070 --> 00:13:56,859 wearing their tweed and with ropes that I probably wouldn't 258 00:13:56,869 --> 00:14:01,239 hang my washing on and, come and attempt to climb these 259 00:14:01,250 --> 00:14:03,400 spectacular frozen waterfalls. 260 00:14:08,909 --> 00:14:12,979 KATE MARTIN: Walking over the stones here heading over to 261 00:14:13,190 --> 00:14:16,580 obviously the stream that feeds the waterfall, it looks like it 262 00:14:16,590 --> 00:14:18,500 would be good whiskey making water. 263 00:14:18,789 --> 00:14:21,659 TOM HARMON: Yeah, this is, this is Kinder River which feeds the, 264 00:14:21,979 --> 00:14:25,919 the waterfall. Just to the right of us, it's very unique colour. 265 00:14:25,929 --> 00:14:29,919 It's very brown and a lot of that is to do with the peat up 266 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,900 which has been washing into the water when it rains and it goes 267 00:14:33,909 --> 00:14:35,429 down into the reservoir down at the bottom. 268 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,969 And this is the source of our drinking water. And a lot of the 269 00:14:37,979 --> 00:14:41,429 restoration work we do up here complements the quality of this 270 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,500 water and it will help to reduce the particles of peat that are 271 00:14:45,510 --> 00:14:48,570 within this water and help to make it a lot clearer. 272 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,760 KATE MARTIN: So, ideally, you know, the ideal for this stream 273 00:14:52,770 --> 00:14:57,309 would- it wouldn't have this brown sort of dark tea colour, 274 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,187 it would be clearer because there'd be less peat particles 275 00:14:59,187 --> 00:14:59,409 in it? 276 00:14:59,530 --> 00:15:02,979 TOM HARMON: You'll never get it 100% clear. But yes the- you 277 00:15:02,989 --> 00:15:06,820 know, if- when the restoration works take full grip, the water 278 00:15:06,830 --> 00:15:08,049 will be a lot lighter. 279 00:15:09,750 --> 00:15:11,960 KATE MARTIN: Well, this is definitely a first for me when 280 00:15:11,969 --> 00:15:15,890 on a walk anywhere, there's a group walking towards us, two 281 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:19,349 ladies and gentlemen and a guitar singing along. So let's 282 00:15:19,359 --> 00:15:21,500 go and see what they're doing up here. 283 00:15:26,789 --> 00:15:28,320 GENERIC: And then the reason we're here. 284 00:15:28,330 --> 00:15:32,159 So we are walking and singing along a bit of the Pennine Way. 285 00:15:32,169 --> 00:15:36,200 42 miles up to Hebden Bridge to raise money for a singing for 286 00:15:36,210 --> 00:15:41,169 Lung health group in London. The idea is it's, really beneficial 287 00:15:41,179 --> 00:15:57,109 for people with Lung disease. [ Singing] 288 00:15:57,109 --> 00:15:59,429 TOM HARMON: So, I think what we're, we're doing now we're on 289 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:04,010 the Pennine Way here, so we'll go a bit further. And I'll show 290 00:16:04,020 --> 00:16:06,739 you a little site and a little bit more history about Kinder 291 00:16:06,780 --> 00:16:10,609 and where there's been a plane crash and various other things 292 00:16:15,669 --> 00:16:18,739 Across the Dark Peak really we've got quite a few sites 293 00:16:18,750 --> 00:16:22,049 where we had, plane crashes in the Second World War. 294 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,894 This particular one, has a plaque that someone's put up 295 00:16:25,894 --> 00:16:26,225 here. 296 00:16:26,225 --> 00:16:31,880 It's 1942 when this happened. I believe it is a, Australian 297 00:16:32,119 --> 00:16:35,280 plane that came in and we, because we had a lot of aircraft 298 00:16:35,289 --> 00:16:38,770 bases in and around the area. Some of them were flying just 299 00:16:38,780 --> 00:16:39,609 doing routine flight. 300 00:16:39,619 --> 00:16:41,909 Some of them were coming back from, you know, missions they 301 00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:44,380 completed abroad and unfortunately, if they had their 302 00:16:44,390 --> 00:16:46,190 reading slightly off- 303 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,210 And they couldn't see they, they came into contact with the 304 00:16:48,219 --> 00:16:51,150 ground. And, so that's, that's why there's quite a lot of plane 305 00:16:51,159 --> 00:16:51,809 wrecks around here. 306 00:16:52,650 --> 00:16:55,190 KATE MARTIN: It's such a beautiful place. But I imagine, 307 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,000 you know, it can be quite bleak and it even more bleak sometimes 308 00:16:59,010 --> 00:17:01,159 if you think about stories and people who've lost their lives 309 00:17:01,169 --> 00:17:01,710 up here. 310 00:17:01,919 --> 00:17:03,929 TOM HARMON: Yeah. As you can see there's, there's still a bit of 311 00:17:03,940 --> 00:17:07,329 wreckage around here. Bits of aluminum bits of steel from the 312 00:17:07,339 --> 00:17:11,699 plane. When it crashed into the hill and a lot of these crashes, 313 00:17:11,709 --> 00:17:13,010 they'd already done the worst part. 314 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,469 They'd done their mission. They were coming home, they'd 315 00:17:15,479 --> 00:17:19,869 survived and, just came to an unfortunate end so close to, to 316 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:20,750 family and friends. 317 00:17:36,790 --> 00:17:39,430 KATE MARTIN: Now we're getting to the end of our walk. I have 318 00:17:39,439 --> 00:17:43,339 to say my legs feel like lead. So I think it's time for a well 319 00:17:43,349 --> 00:17:46,140 earned rest and maybe a pint and some pork scratchings. 320 00:17:46,229 --> 00:17:48,650 That sounds a good idea. It's been a, been a long walk, but 321 00:17:48,660 --> 00:17:49,619 we've had great weather for it. 322 00:17:50,030 --> 00:17:53,609 It's been absolutely glorious and absolutely fascinating. 323 00:17:53,699 --> 00:17:55,130 SHANE BATES: Well, it's nice to have you all and it's been a 324 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:56,349 really enjoyable day. 325 00:17:56,430 --> 00:17:57,920 TOM HARMON: Thanks for coming. It's been great. 326 00:18:08,930 --> 00:18:11,619 KATE MARTIN: It's been an absolutely spectacular walk 327 00:18:11,630 --> 00:18:12,189 today. 328 00:18:12,199 --> 00:18:17,329 The variety of landscapes and habitats they've seen. There's 329 00:18:17,339 --> 00:18:22,119 just something really special about it, both sort of wild. 330 00:18:22,479 --> 00:18:24,660 It's also a very human landscape. 331 00:18:24,670 --> 00:18:28,069 There's a lot there, you know, from the industrialization 332 00:18:28,079 --> 00:18:31,050 through to the wrecks on the top, through to the people that 333 00:18:31,060 --> 00:18:33,969 work on it today and still love and care for it. So, a really 334 00:18:33,979 --> 00:18:34,989 special walk. 335 00:18:50,579 --> 00:18:53,530 Thank you for listening to this week's National Trust podcast. 336 00:18:55,829 --> 00:18:59,420 For more information about Kinder Scout and to download 337 00:18:59,430 --> 00:19:02,729 maps and information on today's walk, you can visit their 338 00:19:02,739 --> 00:19:08,359 website at nationaltrust.org.uk/kinderscout 339 00:19:09,459 --> 00:19:12,599 for our next full episode. I'll be walking in Beddgelert in 340 00:19:12,609 --> 00:19:13,650 Wales. 341 00:19:13,660 --> 00:19:16,780 That episode will be available in a couple of weeks, but don't 342 00:19:16,790 --> 00:19:21,000 worry, there'll be a mini episode available next week. 343 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,579 To make sure you never miss another episode, subscribe on 344 00:19:24,589 --> 00:19:28,500 itunes or your chosen podcast app and please do let us know 345 00:19:28,510 --> 00:19:31,750 what you thought of this episode or share your suggestions on 346 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,619 future episodes on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram. 347 00:19:35,810 --> 00:19:40,969 You can also email us at podcasts@nationaltrust.org.uk 348 00:19:41,189 --> 00:19:44,810 Until next time from me, Kate Martin. Goodbye.