Joining Niki and Bettina this week is plant-based food hero Derek Sarno. He's a cook, cookbook author and head of plant-based innovation at Tesco and the man behind Wicked Healthy. In this episode we talk about what it takes to build a food brand, the difference between the UK and American food market and what the future of plant-based food is likely to be. What is his five year plan? We also chat about spirituality and purpose and much more and also find out why Derek never refers to himself as a chef! This episode was recorded remotely.