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that today we're going to be talking
about negotiating but not what we
typically discuss when it comes to real
estate negotiating on price or
negotiating on terms negotiating between
buyer and seller today we are going to
be talking about negotiating with your
spouse or your partner or your children
sometimes there are multiple parties
involved in a real estate purchase
mostly most often it is the spouse but
sometimes there are other parties
regardless there is a negotiation
involved that takes place between those
different parties and sometimes out of
all of the
negotiations that can be the hardest one
to deal with that can be the hardest
negotiation of all because it's the most
personal and real estate transactions
as a whole I I I've mentioned this
before but they are unique in terms of
Market transactions you know when you
make other Investments and other
purchases it's not as emotional and it's
not as personal as a real estate
transaction is real estate buying and
selling particularly your primary
residents it's very personal people take
it very personally they they are are
emotionally invested you know in
properties where they raised their
children or where they had you know this
memory or that memory there's all
sorts of different things that are
wrapped up in there and as you're
moving to the next home and as you're
looking to move to the next home
there are emotions that get spilled over
into that as well and often times I find
myself in the middle of debates or
disagreements between
different parties on the same side
again usually spouses I'm just going to
say I'm going to say spouses and
partners a lot just know that I'm not
excluding any groups by saying that I'm
just using that as a catchall for
for whatever groups are involved in
these in these
transactions now generally the way I
approach this when I'm in the middle of
these types of of negotiations between
spouses and partners I I generally
don't try to take s unless just one
party is just way off and and we run
into this sometimes sometimes one party
is just like well you know we know that
this is going to happen and it's like no
that's not going to happen or you
know perhaps they're simply like you
know they're trying to end up in a
certain location in a certain house and
the house that they are looking at it
just does not check off the boxes that
they agreed that they were going to
try to check off at that point I'm gonna
speak up and I'm going to be like hey I
you know what you guys talked about
before this is not the type of house
that that you're pushing for that you
guys originally talked about and so I
will speak into that at times but
generally I try to in these
interspousal negotiations I try to be
more of a sounding board I tried to to
not make it about myself and my opinions
because honestly I don't know all of
the background all of the all of the the
backdrop and and everything that causes
spouses to to disagree and to and to
have to negotiate and to debate with
each other there's a lot that happens a
lot of conversation happens that I'm not
a part of so I have to navigate that
very carefully so I try to be more of
a sounding board and I just try to
amplify the concerns and the thoughts of
of each other of of each party try
to help them to to see what each
other is saying and of course I got a
not a a full degree in it but my minor
in college was in counseling so and
psychology so I have a little bit of a
background of that I took a lot of
classes on that so I I feel like I
have a little bit that I can bring to
the table in terms of helping people
work through some of these some of
these situations some of these
sometimes intense discussions that they
have over buying and selling a
home and so I want to talk about just a
a handful of of tips here for how to
go through that how to negotiate with
your spouse I'm telling you I run into
this a lot I I it it's very rare that
you have a husband and wife team or
whatever type of team that is looking to
purchase a home that they agree 100% And
are just in lock step on everything
usually there's going to be some type of
of
disagreement and and different things
that come up along the way and it's
important to be able to handle those
things
appropriately and so I think the
first main pointer that I would give in
this regard is to start by learning
to speak each other's languages and
thinking about the potential
transaction the potential move whatever
it is from the other person's point of
view this is really really crucial
empathy it it's probably the most
important part of this because what
oftentimes ends up happening is people
get frustrated with each other after you
know they don't feel like their
perspective is being heard and then as a
result they don't really listen to the
other person's perspective and then it
ends up being this vicious cycle of
nobody's listening to each other and
part of why it it's hard to hear what
the other person is saying is because
the other person is speaking their
language you're speaking your language
and everyone's talking past each other
and you as a
communicator and I was reading about
this recently from I don't even
remember who it was but the the the the
point of it was that when you're
communicating the onus isn't on you
merely to speak truthfully to speak
factually but the onus is on you as a
communicator to speak the language of
the person that you're communicating to
and of course when I say language I
don't mean English or Spanish or
whatever I mean speak in a way that they
understand it if you're not speaking in
a way that they understand it then
what's the point why are you even
communicating is it just to express
yourself that's not going to help you in
this type of a situation maybe there are
some situations where it's good to just
express yourself when you're buying a
house you guys need to be
communicating in a way that you guys
both understand each other and and the
onus is on you as a communicator to make
sure that you're communicating that
properly and if the other part party
doesn't seem to be getting it that
probably is a two-way street it's
probably both that they need put more
effort in but it's probably also that
that you could put more effort into
better communicating and I'm not just
saying this because oh I took some
classes in college no I see this all the
time when I'm communicating or when I'm
showing houses and seeing the
communication between different partners
and again I tread very lightly I I
don't speak out and say hey you're not
listening to each other not normally
at least cuz that honestly some of
that is not my business some of that
goes goes much deeper than the real
estate
transaction but if you can get out in
front of that on the front end you will
help your communication greatly not just
in the real estate TR transaction just
in general now generally speaking one
partner is more money oriented and
finances oriented and one is more
lifestyle oriented now there are a lot
of exceptions and a lot of nuances to
this but I'm speaking in general terms
there's generally one person that's kind
of like they are the money person in
a let's just assume in a partner spousal
type of relationship and then there's
one that is more focused on lifestyle
and okay what does this mean for our
family and what does this mean for you
know what our everyday life will look
like and it's very easy particularly
if that's the dynamic at play between
you and your spouse that you start to
speak past each other because you're
really coming at things from two very
different points of view and for the
more lifestyle focused person I would
say a way to here's kind of my advice in
terms of of trying to look at it from
the other person's point of view and
trying to speak their language you
need to to start by getting to the heart
of what the money oriented person is
most concerned about there there I have
seen you know in in my relationship with
my wife I am the more money oriented
person so I see from that
perspective more
easily and at the same time I also
realize that there are a lot of pitfalls
there and and sometimes I will see the
the more money oriented spouse or
partner will come to very irrational
conclusions just because one person is
is the money focused person does not
mean that they are the more rational
person that is a very common
misconception often times it's the exact
opposite oftentimes the most rational
arguments that I hear come from the more
lifestyle oriented spouse they're like
hey we are we are running out of space
here we might have some tight
finances but our finances aren't as
tight as our house that we're living in
you know like that makes sense and so
that lifestyle focused person they
need to get to the heart of what the
money oriented person is concerned about
they might not be concerned about things
that are rational and but maybe they are
it's you got to get to the heart of that
is that more financial oriented
person and and and by the way I'm
assuming in this if there is a
negotiation going on between the more
lifestyle focused person and the money
focused person probably the money
focused person is objecting to spending
money right that that's kind of my
assumption usually that's the dynamic at
play so that's going to kind of be my
assumption as we talk about this but
is that
person approaching it just from a
general feeling of we can't afford more
than x amount we can't afford more than
$200,000 we can't afford more than
$200 $50,000 whatever whatever number
they're they're throwing out there
are they doing that just off the cuff or
is their data behind it how did they
come to that
conclusion maybe they're saying we
can't afford more than x amount per
month well why is that okay how does
that compare to your Current financial
situation that is an important part if
you are in a spousal relationship like
that and you know maybe you don't
look at the numbers very much you might
need to start acclimating yourself with
the numbers you might need to start
understanding some of this data in order
to be able to see how it it fits in with
your goals and to better understand what
your partner's goals are in terms of of
the
finances and so you need to look at
that data and you need to bring some of
that data into your communication you
need to to crunch some numbers make
it a convers ation around data rather
than Feelings by the way I I already
alluded to this but often times the
people that are more money oriented it's
their argumentation is not Based on data
it's actually based more on feelings
than on data we're going to talk about
this a little bit more later as well
because I've seen this over and over
again cuz money seems like it's it's
more data oriented than lifestyle right
but you can go into that under
that assumption but in reality what
you're saying about numbers and about
money and about all of this is just
strictly based on hearsay and strictly
based on what you feel rather than what
the reality is I hear a lot of of people
that are real money oriented say they
don't want to get into more debt we
we don't we I it's just it's stressful I
hate it you're a servant to debt etc etc
etc well that there is zero data in
there unless you you can't afford the
debt now okay if you can't afford it
that's a whole another story but if
historically you could afford your debt
and and you have done that over the
years and there's no reason to believe
that that's going to change no evidence
that that's going to change then if
you're operating under the assumption
that's going to change you're operating
based on feelings less than on data
that's just something to keep in mind
again we're going to we're going to
circle back to some of that in a few
minutes here now if the more money
oriented person has already crunched
numbers and has said that that the
monthly payment can't be more than
whatever $11,000 or 1,500 a month
whatever the case may be or your down
payment can't be more than x amount you
know 10,000 25,000 50,000 whatever
you need to to look at those numbers
yourself get a second set of eyes on
those numbers because for two reasons
first off the spouse may not be correct
they they may be making poor assumptions
most of us are not accountants and
and so you know you get you know in
these families someone has to
ultimately look over the finances but
they might not be very good at it and
and at the end of the day it's better to
have two sets of eyes on something than
than just one so you may look at it if
you're the more lifestyle focused
spouse and you don't really look at the
at the finances very
much you may find that when you look at
the finances there are some things that
don't make sense and that could be a
helpful thing to do and a helpful
conversation but then if the spouse
if you look at it and then the spouse is
correct well now you understand where
they're coming from so there's really
it's really a no lose situation for you
you need to be in order to
communicate with that more money
oriented person you need to be in the
books so to speak you need to be aware
of of the money in order to be able
to have a conversation with them about
money and and hopefully if you find
that they are making some assumptions
that aren't correct or really aren't
logical if you actually have data to
support what you're saying if you can
actually speak from an the actual
standpoint of the finances hopefully
then you can work something out
another way to approach this as well
you know sometimes there's hesitancy
about you know
well we're we're buying a lot of house
this is more house than I plan to
what's this going to mean for the future
it can be helpful to look at data on
on the housing market and on appreci
and what type of investment your next
home could be a money focused
person can very well very frequently
will have a scarcity mindset and not
realize that in most areas at at the
very least in the upstate in most areas
their home value are going to
dramatically outpace
inflation and they might be concerned
about you know oh man we're paying all
this interest and and all this and you
know where's all this money going toward
WS they might not realize that
purchasing the next home it actually may
be a tremendous investment for them I'm
not going to go into the saying that
every single home that you purchase is a
great investment that's some of the
value a realtor provides I can speak
into that but generally speaking in
the upstate our home values here
appreciate at a very good clip and and
that's for a variety of reasons that
we've discussed in the past but it it
can be helpful to approach it from that
angle with that more money oriented
person make sure that they understand
the big picture it's not just about
right now right here right now but the
long term what does the longterm mean
particularly if you're coming from
renting if you've been renting and in
this market in in Greenville it costs
a lot more to rent than it does to buy
it just does at some point perhaps
that will balance
out but that's been a longstanding thing
for for quite some time and so it
there are a few different ways you can
approach it rationally with that more
Finance oriented person by the way
might also be worth looking at okay
here's how home prices are going up in
value what does this mean if you're not
willing to buy now what does this mean
you know let's say that you're like well
we we just need to wait a few more years
well
will your money that you have and will
your
salary increase at the level that
home values are increasing that's
another way to look at it these are the
types of things that if you can bring
data to the conversation you can help to
really speak into the finances of of the
of what's being discussed and of that
part of the negotiation now for the more
money focused person as you're trying to
speak the language of the
lifestyle oriented more lifestyle
oriented spouse try to get to the heart
of those lifestyle arguments that your
partner is making and why those things
do or don't resonate with you and and
and try to process that on your own
before you try to process that to your
your partner try to think through why
why is it that this doesn't resonate
with me why is it that I don't want to
spend the money for that particularly
if you know that technically you can
afford it but you're concerned to
afford it are you living out of fear for
instance well why are you living out of
fear is that rational fear or is that
perhaps
irrational maybe having a nice kitchen
isn't so important to you but that's
perhaps because you don't spend much
time in the kitchen maybe your spouse
does maybe you don't feel like you're
running out of space in your h house
you're comfortable with the size of your
house
but that might be because you grew up
in a smaller home or that might just be
because you're in a routine and and you
are really comfortable in your routine
right now once you get to the heart of
of some of that as a more money focused
person perhaps you can find points of
compromise maybe the issue isn't so much
that you don't agree on on what you guys
actually need but that you simply need
more time to save more money and of
course again it's very important that
you provide that the data that you look
at the data and that you have something
supporting the claims that you're making
as a money focused person because again
that life style oriented person they may
have very rational arguments and if you
just respond to those with feelings I
just don't feel like we can afford this
that might not be the wording that
you use but that might be functionally
what you're saying if you just say oh we
can't afford more than $800 a month why
that's just not we just can't afford
more than that like I what if I lose my
job you know what if what if this
happens what if that happens well those
are feeling oriented arguments that's
not Based on data and and again I I
strongly believe that bringing data in
these situations having actual numbers
and actual things to look at to comp
compare and contrast that is what is
necessary to get through these types of
negotiations maybe the issue is that
you are more focused on your lifestyle
than your spouse's lifestyle oo I see
this a lot I see this a whole lot a
very common one is you know the more
money oriented spouse typically is the
quote unquote bread
winner and the the bread winner he or
she probably has to commute to work
every day and or you know I also see
instances where where that person takes
the kids to school every day and you may
find yourself in a in a situation where
you don't want to spend more time on the
road and so you end up selecting a very
narrow geographic area because you're
like I you know I don't want to spend an
extra 20 minutes in my car every day
but because of doing that you're
actually preventing your spouse who
lives in the house all day maybe a
stay-at-home
spouse they may live in the house
basically all
day and you are preventing them from
having an entire day being upgraded
because you don't want to downgrade 20
minutes of your
day that is a very very common
Dynamic that I find and so it's very
important that you look at all of that
and understand all of that and perhaps
be willing to show some good faith to
your spouse that's like
hey here is the money situation okay
here's the data here's what we can
afford maybe we can't get everything
that we want for this but I'm willing to
show some good faith and surrender some
of what I would prefer in order for you
to get some of what you need and some of
what you would prefer that's a great way
to to diffuse the situation and to
make progress in some of these
negotiations don't just be self- absorb
or
self-focused but look at it from their
perspective and try to move in their
Direction all right so that was all
about speaking the same language that
was I knew that was going to be the
longest one that we talked about
there's a few more here that I want to
hit on quickly be real about where the
market is be real about where the Market
is now this Cuts in a lot of
different ways and I'm not even going to
touch on on all that it it cuts you
know all the different directions that
it cuts I'm not going to touch on all of
them but the first question is can
you afford what you want and and again
be real about this do you even know
what you can afford or are you assuming
it are you just taking a a dart and
throwing it on a board of prices and
saying we can afford $1,000 a month
so you know what houses are out there
that would be you know our mortgage
payment would be less than $1,000 per
month where did you come up with that
number is that is that really the the
the most that you can afford maybe
that's more than you can afford you've
got to make sure that that the that the
number that you set as your guideline
because that's very very important once
you set that it's hard to it's hard to
Pivot for from that you need to make
sure that that that number actually
makes sense maybe you're thinking oh we
can't even get you know we can in theory
afford you know $2,000 a month I mean
really easily 2500 a month but I there's
no way we'll get pre-approved for that
okay let's talk to a lender you're
you might find that you actually
definitely can afford more than that and
so that's an important part of the
consideration as well making sure
that that you actually know what you can
afford on multiple levels on the level
of what your income and expenses are on
the level of what A lender will actually
give you and you don't want to overshoot
it you don't want to undershoot it
figure out what the actual number is and
once you've analyzed those numbers
and you know exactly what you can or
can't afford then you can start
looking at homes in your budget now you
actually have a baseline now you
actually know where to begin and you can
be real about it you don't just have to
make assumptions
assumptions that is again a big thing
that I see in these negotiations between
spouses that happen is there are all
sorts of assumptions that are being
tossed around let's try to eliminate
those assumptions and then you can
actually have a realistic
conversation now once you look at
homes in your budget if they aren't what
you want then you have to either adjust
your criteria in some way and and again
be real say you know what we can't
afford what we want right now maybe this
is going to be a stop Gap home for a
few years while we save up money while I
hopefully get some raises and then can
afford more house in the future and then
we'll just move in a few years from now
maybe that's maybe that's the case or
maybe you just need to to to back out
for a little bit and put a plan in place
for affording a more expensive home it's
really important that this is all
planned out because if you just say you
know what we just can't afford a house
right now we're just going to have to to
back out and just enter the market
another time I've got bad news for
you the market is not going to it
it's not going to depreciate in value
we're not going to see homes it's very
unlikely very very very unlikely that
homes are going to go down in value
anytime soon and so if you back out of
the
market and then assume you can enter
back in the market in two years you
might find homes have gone up
20% in value in the areas that you're
looking for for houses in you might
find that they're now 20% more expensive
well do you have 20% more money have has
your salary gone up by 20% in two
years it probably hasn't for a lot of
people it hasn't and and and won't and
so very careful before making an
emotional decision of oh we we just
can't afford it that doesn't mean
there's kind of an assumption we can't
afford it now but we will in the future
and and that's a very very big
assumption and that's an assumption that
may not be rooted in reality you have to
be real about the market but also
there's an aspect to being real about
the market and I see this a lot I can't
tell you how often I see this
particularly with people that you know
work more Blue Collar jobs and and
and come from backgrounds that that
didn't have as much money but they
will operate under kind of more of a
doomsday perspective constantly coming
at things from the standpoint of and
maybe they don't even realize this but
essentially they're coming from the
standpoint of well what if the market
crashes tomorrow or what if my home
starts losing value again we just talked
about from an outsider perspective
the unlikelihood of homes to
depreciating but what about your house
what's the likelihood of your house
depreciating losing value let me
start with this it's not likely it's not
likely and this is also a way that we
cannot be real about the market and
and by the way it's a perspective that
very frequently irritates spouses
because they're like why are we
operating under this assumption this
doomsday scenario because we don't use
this logic in other parts of our lives
do you have a homestead to produce food
in case the economy goes into Global
depression and and nobody has food or
maybe you know like the Interstellar
movie we've got this you know blight
taking over the world and now we're
having to move to another planet because
we've depleted our planet of resources
do you operate under that
assumption that could happen it could
happen why don't we operate under those
assumptions do you have a stockpile of
gold in case the US dollar completely
loses all of its buying power well I I
have to admit I do know a person or two
that that has that but by and large the
average person doesn't have that the
people that I'm hearing talking about
you know well what if the market crashes
what if you know what if my house loses
value right after I purchase it these
people don't have gold in stockpiles in
their houses let me tell you I I I can
assure you of that do do you have a
bunker prepared for a nuclear
apocalypse no why why why don't you have
a bunker prepared for for nuclear
fallout is it because the possibility
of a nuclear apocalypse is really low I
would argue that the possibility for a
nuclear apocalypse is really high
there's like a bunch of countries just
sitting on nukes that could could blow
our our world into Oblivion what is
the likelihood that one of those
countries decides to pull the trigger at
some point I'd say it's a decent decent
possibility but we don't live with
bunkers you know anymore now now back
in you know in the Cold War era that
was people actually did that but I
would say there's more likelihood of of
something like that happening now than
even back in the Cold War but but we
don't live with
bunkers so
why why is it why is it that we don't
do these things it's because we look at
history and we see those events are very
unlikely we see that famines are
unlikely so we don't stockpile food we
see that Global depressions are unlikely
we see that hyperinflation that
causes US dollar to completely lose all
of its value that that type of thing
doesn't have a whole lot of
historical precedent it does have some
it doesn't have a lot of historical
precedent there's yes nukes have been
used before but it hasn't been used very
often so we operate under the assumption
that it's not likely to happen in the
future well guess what a housing market
crash and even more so a housing market
crash that causes homes in the upstate
to permanently lose value for a long
time is very very
unlikely very unlikely the the the most
recent time that we had this happen with
us in 2008 everyone knows about this
this is why people have it in their
minds that it's going to happen again
even when that happened in 2008 homes in
the upstate on a meta level more or less
flatlined in value they did not lose
value and they started picking up value
very quickly and that was a housing
market crash that was a global recession
that that happened in primarily in
large Parts and I'm I'm no Economist
but what I understand is that a lot of
it happened because of the housing
market the housing market was the first
Domino to fall that caused the the the
global economy to go into
recession so where is the data where
is the data that says that this is going
to happen again that it's very likely to
happen again in the near future there's
not much data so if you're basing your
doomsday scenario
assumptions off of actual
data you're not you're not being real
you're not being real about the market
if you're going in with this doomsday
scenario type of thinking now it's
good to have contingency plans it's
great to have contingency plans but
those contingency plans should look at
things from a realistic
perspective last but not least make
sure you're in agreement with each other
you and your spouse on your long-term
housing goals is the next home a home
for a few years or is it for the long
term is this where we're going to retire
is this where we're going to raise our
kids make sure that you're in agreement
over that because that impacts a whole
lot of things if it is long-term
think reasonably about about what your
family will be like in a few years and
what you can afford all right you you
need to not just be looking at the here
and now you need to be looking in the
future and not just looking in the
future again from that doomsday scenario
of what if I lose a job what if this
happens what if that happens you just
that's not a way to to plan that and
that's really not planning at all that's
that's speculating it's not even
educated
speculation I don't know how many times
I want to say this but I want to say
this a lot you cannot eliminate risk
from future planning you can't you
cannot not plan risk out of your your
your decisions for your family you know
I I see some clients that try to do this
by trying to get rid of as much debt as
possible because to them debt is risk
listen there's a whole lot of other
risks out there besides debt you can't
eliminate all of those things and
whomever is the more risk averse person
between the two of you needs to try to
focus more on preparing for the likely
scenarios while also ensuring that you
don't buy more house than you can afford
so don't look at the unlikely
scenarios and plan based on that look at
the likely scenarios but also you know
maybe you can afford a $700,000 house
but that would be the absolute top end
of what you can afford using multiple
metrics so so back off a little bit
you don't you don't need to buy the
absolute top of what you can afford back
off a little bit and make sure that that
you are doing exercising wisdom in
terms of your decision making the
more risk tolerant person needs to see
the value in having contingency plans
and be willing to make personal
sacrifices as a show of good faith
while also looking at the housing data
out there to make reasonable conclusions
from it in terms of you know where
the market is going and how that might
impact you and your family and and so
this is where you you both have to
look at it from each other's
perspectives and make sure that you
that you do accomplish what you're
looking to do lifestyle-wise
while also not buying way more house
than you can afford and and also not
assuming that you won't be able to
afford it in the future you can't
operate under the assumption that you
won't be able to afford something in the
future if you can afford it now now
where people get in trouble is when they
buy more house than they can afford now
under the assumption that they will be
able to afford it in the future that I
highly recommend you don't do that
that's what happened in 2000 in the
Years leading up to 2008 don't do that
don't do that but but don't operate
under the assumption that you won't be
able to afford a house in the future
that you can now that is not a
reasonable way to go about it in the end
this spousal partner negotiation you
have to respect and trust each other
even in your disagreement sometimes
this negotiation involves looking at
multiple homes I see this a lot that you
know sometimes Partners they they don't
even fully understand what they agree or
disagree on and what you know the terms
quote unquote of their negotiation are
going to be until they start looking at
homes and then they start to understand
it because that's a real thing in front
of them they can actually see what the
home looks like what homes in their
quote unquote budget are and and now
they they're actually working through
okay this is what we want this is what
we need this is what we can afford
and and I'm you know I I have some
people sometimes that apologize like I'm
we're so sorry that that you know we're
trying to it's taking us a while to
figure out what we want what we need and
there's no need to apologize for that
this is a part of the process you have
to start looking at homes to even
find where that Baseline is for what
you guys want and as I said before me
as a realtor I I just try to be a
soundboard and I try to help people in
these you know when spouses are apart on
what they're looking for and what
they're wanting to do I try to be a
soundboard just to help them to better
understand each other and hopefully come
closer together in terms of
understanding each other and in terms of
their goals and then as we start to look
at more houses and as I start to
understand the the spousal dynamics that
play maybe at that point I can become a
little bit more bold in terms of saying
I don't think that this really
accomplishes what this spouse wants or
this doesn't look like the type of house
that you would want or this you know I
don't know that this is going to fit
into your long-term goals I don't I'm
very careful with how I word that
because I don't ever want to be the
decision maker for my clients I want at
the end of the day they have to make the
decision one way or the other but I
tried to to help be U an advocate for
both of them or you know there might be
more an advocate for all of them to
make sure that everyone at the end is is
happy and pleased and satisfied with how
it all worked out and that nobody is
angry at each other that's the main
thing I don't want I don't want anyone
to to be angry you know to leave a
showing frustrated and angry that their
spouse their part wasn't listening to
them we don't want that and so I
tried to help as much as I can without
getting too much into the Weeds on the
personal dynamics that play that's what
I do as a realtor and and that is
some things to think about if you are in
the process of negotiating things with
your spouse with your partner in
terms of looking to move or maybe just
in general maybe this was helpful on a
more General plane I don't know you guys
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listening and until next time stay safe
and negotiate fair with each other
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