1 00:00:02,939 --> 00:00:05,819 Narrator: You're listening to the humans of DevOps podcast, a 2 00:00:05,819 --> 00:00:09,449 podcast focused on advancing the humans of DevOps through skills, 3 00:00:09,479 --> 00:00:13,799 knowledge, ideas and learning, or the SK il framework. 4 00:00:16,770 --> 00:00:18,600 Alfredo Deza: People love that and they will just open the 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,150 doors. I know I would like if someone knocks on my eyelids. 6 00:00:21,810 --> 00:00:26,940 excitedly, will these things work? Can I do more? Or System 7 00:00:26,940 --> 00:00:29,100 Administrator like, it doesn't matter. It's like, Dude, you're 8 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:31,470 hired, like, what? Can I send you right away? 9 00:00:33,780 --> 00:00:36,210 Jason Baum: Hey, everyone, it's Jason Baum, Director of Member 10 00:00:36,210 --> 00:00:40,110 experience at DevOps Institute. And this is the humans of DevOps 11 00:00:40,110 --> 00:00:45,840 podcast. Welcome back. Hope you had another great week. I'm 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,200 super excited this while I'm excited every week I you know, I 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,930 say that every week. But I am super excited this week, 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,350 especially because if you are a frequent listener to this 15 00:00:55,350 --> 00:00:59,190 podcast, you know, I'm a pretty avid sports fan. And I usually 16 00:00:59,190 --> 00:01:03,030 go on some sort of sports rant that I eventually have to tie 17 00:01:03,030 --> 00:01:07,110 back into the program and then apologize to our producer. But 18 00:01:07,140 --> 00:01:12,780 today, I finally finally get to chat about sports in an official 19 00:01:12,780 --> 00:01:18,360 capacity. So the Olympics are here again. I'm sure you know 20 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,140 that already. So we thought it would be interesting to bring on 21 00:01:22,140 --> 00:01:26,760 a former Olympian. Plus, this Olympian happens to be a cloud 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:32,250 advocate at Microsoft. So my guest today is Alfredo de Souza. 23 00:01:33,060 --> 00:01:36,000 He's a passionate software engineer, avid open source 24 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,890 developer, author, photographer and a former Olympic athlete, he 25 00:01:40,890 --> 00:01:43,890 has given several lectures across the world about open 26 00:01:43,890 --> 00:01:46,980 source software, personal development and professional 27 00:01:46,980 --> 00:01:50,910 sports. He's rebuilt company infrastructure, design, shared 28 00:01:50,910 --> 00:01:54,870 storage and replace complex build systems, always in search 29 00:01:54,900 --> 00:01:58,440 of efficient and resilient environments. With a strong 30 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,020 belief in testing and documentation, he continues to 31 00:02:01,020 --> 00:02:05,010 drive robust development practices, wherever he is. So 32 00:02:05,010 --> 00:02:08,280 Alfredo, thank you so much for coming on the podcast and 33 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,450 agreeing to talk sports with me. And a little bit about DevOps 34 00:02:12,450 --> 00:02:13,860 and, and tech. 35 00:02:14,939 --> 00:02:17,549 Alfredo Deza: Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you so much, Jason, 36 00:02:17,549 --> 00:02:22,079 for having me. Super happy to be here and talk about everything. 37 00:02:22,079 --> 00:02:23,579 Yeah, sure. Including sports. 38 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,990 Jason Baum: Awesome. Well, so you're ready to get human? Yeah. 39 00:02:28,380 --> 00:02:32,580 Alright, let's do it. So tell us first, you know, I guess we 40 00:02:32,580 --> 00:02:35,670 should start we teased. You know, you're, you're an Olympic 41 00:02:35,670 --> 00:02:41,700 athlete. And so, tell us a little bit what what was your 42 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:46,020 sport? What was that experience? Like? And you know, what country 43 00:02:46,020 --> 00:02:46,890 did you represent? 44 00:02:47,729 --> 00:02:52,349 Alfredo Deza: Yeah. So I was born in Peru. And I lived there 45 00:02:52,349 --> 00:03:02,699 until I was 26. Almost 26. Yeah, no, 26. And, you know, you 46 00:03:02,729 --> 00:03:06,599 you're reminded me about this one time where there was a 47 00:03:06,689 --> 00:03:11,819 reporter and says, like, oh, so how? So? How many months do you 48 00:03:11,819 --> 00:03:14,519 had to drain for the Olympics? Now that you asked that 49 00:03:14,519 --> 00:03:16,799 question, but this person asked me that it's like, well, like 50 00:03:16,829 --> 00:03:20,729 this, this, this reporter like, that's such a weird thing. So I 51 00:03:20,729 --> 00:03:25,949 said, like, well, well, I did that for like, 15 years. So it's 52 00:03:25,949 --> 00:03:29,279 like I've been in training for for a few months does. You know, 53 00:03:29,309 --> 00:03:32,489 you don't you don't get to? I mean, I don't know if anyone has 54 00:03:32,489 --> 00:03:35,159 gone to Olympic Games just by working out like for a few 55 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:35,639 months. 56 00:03:36,449 --> 00:03:39,059 Jason Baum: So I mean, if I trained for six months, I can't 57 00:03:39,059 --> 00:03:40,349 to go to the Olympics. 58 00:03:40,379 --> 00:03:44,639 Alfredo Deza: I don't I don't I don't think so that I mean, hats 59 00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:48,389 off to you. If you managed to accomplish that. That's That's 60 00:03:48,389 --> 00:03:52,079 intense, but I don't think it works that way. There's a lot of 61 00:03:52,079 --> 00:03:52,799 competition. 62 00:03:53,069 --> 00:03:54,929 Jason Baum: I don't know. I watched the show cheer and my 63 00:03:54,929 --> 00:03:58,319 back hurts. So I don't know if I'm gonna be good for that. But 64 00:03:58,379 --> 00:04:02,519 Alfredo Deza: yeah, no, it's it does take it does take a lot of 65 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:08,159 effort didn't need to me to me years. It took me a a good chunk 66 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:16,679 of my of my life for a while and I did the high jump. I jumped to 67 00:04:16,679 --> 00:04:21,329 27 to two meters and 27 centimeters and that's I think 68 00:04:21,329 --> 00:04:27,269 that's around seven feet, four inches ish. Something, something 69 00:04:27,269 --> 00:04:32,099 around around that. Yeah. And I did it for years. My My dad also 70 00:04:32,099 --> 00:04:36,149 went to the big games. He went to Mexico City. I think that was 71 00:04:36,149 --> 00:04:44,309 1968. And, yeah, I really liked sports or since I was a kid, and 72 00:04:44,309 --> 00:04:48,959 when I was around 11 years old, I told my dad that I really 73 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:54,359 wanted to like get serious into train and working out. Because 74 00:04:54,359 --> 00:04:58,409 there's there's different ways to train, prepare yourself and 75 00:04:58,409 --> 00:05:02,189 workout. You could you could say Well, you know, I'm a, I don't 76 00:05:02,189 --> 00:05:05,729 know, like I like tennis or I do soccer or do swimming. It's 77 00:05:05,729 --> 00:05:08,339 like, oh, how many times a week or two twice a week or three 78 00:05:08,339 --> 00:05:13,109 times a week. And but when you're really into it, it just 79 00:05:13,109 --> 00:05:16,709 never ends. He never stops in multiple, multiple times a day. 80 00:05:17,249 --> 00:05:19,799 And when I was in school, I would have to just stop for 81 00:05:19,799 --> 00:05:25,169 school. But otherwise, when I got out of high school, he was 82 00:05:26,999 --> 00:05:34,019 between between 12 times a week, all the way to like close to 18 83 00:05:34,019 --> 00:05:39,959 times a week of workouts is some most days, twice a day in the 84 00:05:39,959 --> 00:05:41,129 morning, in the afternoon, how 85 00:05:41,130 --> 00:05:42,180 Jason Baum: long were the workouts? 86 00:05:43,410 --> 00:05:50,700 Alfredo Deza: They were they were usually close to two hours, 87 00:05:51,180 --> 00:05:54,930 depending on the type of workout on the offseason it was the word 88 00:05:54,930 --> 00:05:58,980 more lengthy and, and when the competition's were close by, 89 00:05:58,980 --> 00:06:03,180 they were shorter. But I would say on the shorter end, maybe 90 00:06:03,180 --> 00:06:06,390 like an hour and 20 minutes and up to two hours. 91 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,400 Jason Baum: I mean, it's yeah, it's a full time job of working 92 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:08,580 out 93 00:06:08,610 --> 00:06:11,280 Alfredo Deza: it is it is and it doesn't end with when the 94 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:14,190 workout ends, because then the workout ends and then you have 95 00:06:14,190 --> 00:06:18,060 to think about recovery. So you have to I would carry my ice 96 00:06:18,060 --> 00:06:22,380 packs everywhere in my bandages. So just, you know, put the ice 97 00:06:22,380 --> 00:06:26,220 packs in my legs while I was driving back home and, and then 98 00:06:26,220 --> 00:06:29,490 taking a nap. And, and I mean, you might think like, Oh, this 99 00:06:29,490 --> 00:06:32,940 guy's taking a nap and and then I would go to the sauna and do 100 00:06:32,940 --> 00:06:35,670 some massage sessions and sessions. And some good says 101 00:06:35,670 --> 00:06:39,120 like, oh, this this is that's fantastic. That's great. No, no, 102 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,290 it's not great, because you're a very tired all day long every 103 00:06:43,290 --> 00:06:47,040 day. And you really want to just take a break, and you just can't 104 00:06:47,070 --> 00:06:48,360 you can't you have to keep going. 105 00:06:48,780 --> 00:06:51,120 Jason Baum: And if you don't do that recovery, you don't move 106 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,510 the next day. So yeah, yeah. Did you ever do those like 107 00:06:55,650 --> 00:06:57,900 hyperbaric chambers? Like I did, 108 00:06:57,930 --> 00:07:00,690 Alfredo Deza: I actually did. But you know what now thinking 109 00:07:00,690 --> 00:07:04,650 about them. They really scare me, you know, kind of like when 110 00:07:04,650 --> 00:07:07,950 you think about a certain situations like oh, that's, you 111 00:07:07,950 --> 00:07:11,730 kind of get into that mentally into that situation and just 112 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,320 gets really scary. That's how I feel about those doing that. But 113 00:07:16,860 --> 00:07:21,870 I don't, I don't know, like it was a thing back in. I mean, but 114 00:07:21,870 --> 00:07:28,920 the Bravo is still a thing, but I did them in the early 2000s. 115 00:07:28,980 --> 00:07:31,950 And there were just a couple of places that they would do that 116 00:07:31,950 --> 00:07:38,220 improve. And I did them, but I can really tell if he did 117 00:07:38,220 --> 00:07:43,110 anything. Maybe they were measuring why there was not a 118 00:07:43,110 --> 00:07:45,660 way of accurately measuring the impact. 119 00:07:45,989 --> 00:07:48,389 Jason Baum: Yeah, I feel like that copying like there's all 120 00:07:48,419 --> 00:07:52,679 different methods of recovery, and then it seems to change. But 121 00:07:52,709 --> 00:07:57,209 like, I mean, that's the amount of work that you have to put in 122 00:07:57,209 --> 00:08:01,319 to be an Olympic Olympic athlete alone, let alone an Olympic 123 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:05,579 athlete, which is like taking it the next degree up, obviously, 124 00:08:05,579 --> 00:08:10,859 it's I mean, it's intense. So I So how far did you how did you 125 00:08:10,859 --> 00:08:12,419 do the in the Olympics? 126 00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:18,960 Alfredo Deza: Well, I the Olympics was pretty rough for 127 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:26,070 me. I didn't do well at all. You know, I think it's it's 128 00:08:26,070 --> 00:08:30,030 interesting outside of Peru, I don't live in Peru. I haven't 129 00:08:30,030 --> 00:08:33,060 been living in Peru for a past 15 years. I live in the US now. 130 00:08:34,530 --> 00:08:40,500 Outside of Peru, I would say it's interesting how having been 131 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:44,850 to Olympic Games is is seen as a is a is a huge accomplishment 132 00:08:44,850 --> 00:08:48,330 and something worth celebrating. I wouldn't say it's so much 133 00:08:48,330 --> 00:08:54,690 improved. The reaction is like, you know, probably like, not 134 00:08:54,690 --> 00:08:57,960 not, you know, maybe it's like God, that's great. You went you 135 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:03,660 went to the Biggums not not not something worth celebrating that 136 00:09:03,660 --> 00:09:09,810 much, I would say. But in Peru when I was 18 years old, and I 137 00:09:09,810 --> 00:09:13,980 think this is kind of like what I was more known or recognized 138 00:09:13,980 --> 00:09:22,920 back in baru in 1998. I was 18 years old, and he was the World 139 00:09:23,220 --> 00:09:29,910 Junior Championships for track and field and I want I became 140 00:09:29,910 --> 00:09:34,350 the first ever World Champion in track and field for brew. And 141 00:09:34,350 --> 00:09:37,260 that that was a big deal that that was a very big deal. And 142 00:09:37,260 --> 00:09:42,210 that was in the newspapers and TV and like 100 interviews all 143 00:09:42,210 --> 00:09:49,920 the time. And that was that was huge. And you know, you 144 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:55,770 mentioned you mentioned these things, but I think that the the 145 00:09:55,770 --> 00:10:00,510 Olympic Games, you know, trying to like I try to keep up that 146 00:10:00,540 --> 00:10:04,050 momentum. And that was in 1988, the Olympic games that I went to 147 00:10:04,050 --> 00:10:08,100 was in 2004. So it took me a while to get there. And to 148 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:14,880 qualify, you have to jump a certain height. And it was it 149 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:20,700 was very hard. The, I would say the usual mentality of an 150 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:26,250 athlete, or a high high performance athlete is to, 151 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:31,830 you're going there and you're not just having a, a vacation 152 00:10:31,830 --> 00:10:34,380 time or having a blast. I mean, yeah, sure. It's wonderful, and 153 00:10:34,380 --> 00:10:37,710 you're great environment and full of athletes, and 154 00:10:37,710 --> 00:10:42,960 everybody's, you know, there to compete is a special moment, but 155 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:50,130 not doing well was devastating to me. I was, I was sponsored, I 156 00:10:50,130 --> 00:10:53,880 had, like I was, I guess you could consider me a professional 157 00:10:53,880 --> 00:11:00,180 athlete. And I was, I was a professional athlete, they had a 158 00:11:00,180 --> 00:11:06,750 sponsor, and these sponsor decided to drop me while I was 159 00:11:06,750 --> 00:11:09,840 at the Olympic Games, not because of my performance, but 160 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,060 because they were going bankrupt, and they were not 161 00:11:12,060 --> 00:11:17,730 doing well. And so the thing is that, that kind of like mark my, 162 00:11:18,090 --> 00:11:22,110 my, the end of almost like, the end of my career, at least 163 00:11:22,110 --> 00:11:26,040 mentally, I just could not stand this. I'm like, not doing well, 164 00:11:26,070 --> 00:11:30,690 this is horrible. I can't keep doing this. I'm 20, almost 26 165 00:11:30,690 --> 00:11:35,970 years old. And this is very hard. So I remember, after, 166 00:11:36,030 --> 00:11:39,480 after competing and doing horrendous of the Olympic games, 167 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:44,190 but horrendous by my standards, you know, I'm just gonna ask you 168 00:11:44,190 --> 00:11:47,310 are you are the Olympic Games. Yes. You know, you're working 169 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,760 yourself to like, for 15 years to get to some plays, you're 170 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,210 expecting to do well, but it's really hard. It is really, 171 00:11:54,210 --> 00:11:57,510 really hard. You're trying to accomplish the best error 172 00:11:57,510 --> 00:12:01,860 performance in your life. You're not going to nail it. It's 173 00:12:01,860 --> 00:12:05,190 really difficult. Like when you see an athlete just That's why 174 00:12:05,190 --> 00:12:08,370 like, usually we're records don't necessarily happen at the 175 00:12:08,370 --> 00:12:12,300 Olympic Games. Sometimes they do. But not all the time. And 176 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:15,870 usually records of the Olympic Games are not, you know, are 177 00:12:16,350 --> 00:12:19,320 lesser than the real world records. Because you know, where 178 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,620 records are, like, easier to, to kind of like go um, I think I 179 00:12:22,620 --> 00:12:26,700 can nail it between these two or three events. Within these two 180 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:30,420 or three weeks. Maybe I can I can hit it there and then you do 181 00:12:30,420 --> 00:12:33,900 and then that's great. But then it begins it's like, have seen 182 00:12:33,900 --> 00:12:37,620 for years and you have this one time. And that's it. Oh, yeah. 183 00:12:37,650 --> 00:12:41,640 Jason Baum: It's athletes are programmed the same. I feel like 184 00:12:41,670 --> 00:12:45,330 you're there to win. Like no one gets into athlete athletics to 185 00:12:45,330 --> 00:12:50,220 not win. So totally get how anything less than that is 186 00:12:50,220 --> 00:12:54,990 deemed to yourself as a failure. But in perspective, how many 187 00:12:54,990 --> 00:12:59,130 people were competing in high jump at that Olympic? 188 00:12:59,220 --> 00:13:03,630 Alfredo Deza: I think we were this is you're asking all the 189 00:13:03,630 --> 00:13:08,430 right questions. I think they were 15 I think so. I thought I 190 00:13:08,430 --> 00:13:13,470 was probably like 13 or 12 or something like that 191 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:17,280 Jason Baum: for 12 or 13. But But out of the entire world. 192 00:13:17,310 --> 00:13:21,450 Yes. All the athlete so that's that's a pretty big 193 00:13:21,450 --> 00:13:24,030 accomplishment. So yeah, that's why it's when you're in it I 194 00:13:24,030 --> 00:13:27,000 totally get it but at the same time in Lean Leicester the top 195 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,180 three in the world you're not get you're coming home a failure 196 00:13:30,210 --> 00:13:34,380 right in your and honestly, I bet for some for some athletes. 197 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,310 It must be an absolute devastate must be devastating. Can I even 198 00:13:38,310 --> 00:13:40,440 get to silver or gold? 199 00:13:41,070 --> 00:13:46,320 Alfredo Deza: Yeah, um, you know, I felt like I failed my 200 00:13:46,770 --> 00:13:50,850 country. I felt like my country doesn't owe me anything. I don't 201 00:13:50,850 --> 00:13:57,150 know anything to to anyone. Like, isn't it wasn't like they 202 00:13:57,150 --> 00:14:04,290 gave me like, you know, like, a huge house and five cars to just 203 00:14:04,470 --> 00:14:09,540 I mean, it wasn't like that, you know, but I yeah, it would it 204 00:14:09,540 --> 00:14:17,670 would have I felt like I failed. My country I felt like to me was 205 00:14:17,670 --> 00:14:25,200 a wonderful way to to give happiness and hope and just a 206 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:30,660 general good feeling to people specifically in Peru I think 207 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,780 Peru as it happens with much of Latin America is a is a country 208 00:14:36,780 --> 00:14:42,420 that continues to fight social and political issues and a lot 209 00:14:42,420 --> 00:14:49,020 of corruption. And in I think that when whenever there's a 210 00:14:49,020 --> 00:14:53,430 sports event and in a fellow country, man is they're doing 211 00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:58,200 great. This is just fantastic, you know, to give them to give 212 00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:03,360 provide happiness to us. Ever seen in such a nice impure way, 213 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:03,930 I would say, 214 00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:06,990 Jason Baum: you know, it's also interesting and I feel like we 215 00:15:06,990 --> 00:15:10,410 could this is kind of bringing it back to, to tech to work to, 216 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:17,520 you know, to our to our work. Life is the amount of effort and 217 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:22,710 time and everything that you put into your sport. Whether it be 218 00:15:22,710 --> 00:15:27,990 your sport, your craft your job, even though you might be putting 219 00:15:27,990 --> 00:15:30,960 in a ton of effort, a ton of work, sometimes the results 220 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,380 aren't there. And it's not anything that you didn't do. I 221 00:15:34,380 --> 00:15:37,680 mean, you were training for 40 Whatever hours a week, you're 222 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,260 doing all the recut, you're going to do everything right, 223 00:15:40,260 --> 00:15:43,830 you're eating right, and you spent 16 years 50 Whatever it 224 00:15:43,830 --> 00:15:48,420 was, right. 1516 You're doing it? Yeah, yeah. So and I mean, 225 00:15:48,420 --> 00:15:50,670 gosh, man, you could think about anything that you do, and you're 226 00:15:50,670 --> 00:15:53,400 not always going to win. And that is tough for competitive. 227 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,680 I'm a competitive person. I played sports, you know, I 228 00:15:55,740 --> 00:15:59,130 totally have that mindset. And so, you know, but everybody 229 00:15:59,130 --> 00:16:02,790 fails. And that's, and that's at some point. And then you have 230 00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:05,610 your wins. And you definitely, and the losses mean more, 231 00:16:05,610 --> 00:16:08,460 because the losses you feel because you still put in the 232 00:16:08,460 --> 00:16:10,920 effort. And for some reason, when you don't have that outcome 233 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,460 that you desired. God, that ones things, because it's like, well, 234 00:16:14,460 --> 00:16:18,960 I still did it all. It feels like yeah, not a waste. It 235 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,770 shouldn't feel that way. But in the moment, it it hurts. 236 00:16:23,429 --> 00:16:27,359 Alfredo Deza: Yeah, I would say professionally, in, in the 237 00:16:28,199 --> 00:16:33,179 corporate environment or a regular work your regular nine 238 00:16:33,179 --> 00:16:40,919 to five, I would say to me feels a little bit different. The 239 00:16:40,919 --> 00:16:44,369 other day, I heard this thing that I really liked. That is 240 00:16:45,539 --> 00:16:48,959 there's there's there's no failure, we're not failing, 241 00:16:48,989 --> 00:16:54,359 we're either learning, or we're winning. What are we going to do 242 00:16:54,359 --> 00:16:59,879 today? Well, all up, I learned like, yes. You know, like in it, 243 00:16:59,909 --> 00:17:03,179 I think it's hard to apply that to professional sports like or 244 00:17:03,179 --> 00:17:06,449 if you're doing something like track and field or swimming or 245 00:17:06,449 --> 00:17:08,879 whatever it is because you know, like, yeah, you you fail, like 246 00:17:08,879 --> 00:17:12,449 sure you could you could try but it's just, it's really hard. 247 00:17:12,449 --> 00:17:15,149 What I would do when I was an athlete, he would be like, Okay, 248 00:17:15,149 --> 00:17:17,639 next season, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna fix here, when a train 249 00:17:17,729 --> 00:17:22,169 better and more in depth, there's so much that you can do, 250 00:17:22,409 --> 00:17:27,929 you know, like, not in not everybody can run under 10 251 00:17:27,929 --> 00:17:30,629 seconds in the in the 100 meter dash. I mean, there's just like, 252 00:17:30,659 --> 00:17:33,839 it might not be physically possible for you to accomplish 253 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:40,049 that. So, so let's, let's set some reality here. And, but if 254 00:17:40,049 --> 00:17:44,999 we're talking about, you know, performing well at work, and 255 00:17:45,089 --> 00:17:51,629 being a good co worker, you know, I think I don't want to 256 00:17:51,629 --> 00:17:56,339 say it's easier. But I think there's more room here for for 257 00:17:56,339 --> 00:18:00,599 doing well and not necessarily have have devastating failures. 258 00:18:01,499 --> 00:18:05,279 So I think that freeze of, you know, there's, there's, we're 259 00:18:05,279 --> 00:18:08,039 not failing, we are either learning or winning, I think 260 00:18:08,039 --> 00:18:11,429 it's just great. Because every time that I've messed up at 261 00:18:11,429 --> 00:18:16,199 work, and I've messed up a bunch of times, it's been like, a 262 00:18:16,199 --> 00:18:20,729 learning moment. Not. I know, I know, that stinks. And I know 263 00:18:20,729 --> 00:18:28,649 I'm going to do better. And I try to, I tried to put all those 264 00:18:28,649 --> 00:18:33,719 stories in every book that I've written. Some people don't like 265 00:18:33,719 --> 00:18:37,019 the stories like, all right, why are you talking about a story 266 00:18:37,019 --> 00:18:39,689 that happened? Like nobody cares about? Like, there was a 267 00:18:39,689 --> 00:18:41,819 comment, someone made these comments like, nobody cares 268 00:18:41,819 --> 00:18:45,449 about your horrible boss, than years ago, Alfredo, like, tell 269 00:18:45,449 --> 00:18:50,159 us tell us more about logging systems and get to the point. 270 00:18:50,189 --> 00:18:53,729 But you know, to me, it's like, Hey, you want to talk to me? You 271 00:18:53,729 --> 00:18:57,239 want me to tell you something useful? I'm going to do that. 272 00:18:57,239 --> 00:19:00,479 But I'm going to tell you a story. I'm not I mean, if you 273 00:19:00,479 --> 00:19:04,559 want to read something super technical, in not having any 274 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:07,649 context about it, go read a manual. She said I'm not gonna 275 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:08,849 it doesn't matter. You'll 276 00:19:08,850 --> 00:19:11,190 Jason Baum: see the PowerPoint presentation. Yes, yes. 277 00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:14,520 Alfredo Deza: Go into the terminal, run the man the man 278 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,540 page command, and go read a manual. There's no story there. 279 00:19:18,540 --> 00:19:22,230 It's just straight to the facts. But that's not you know, what I 280 00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:26,220 try to do is, let me tell you a story. Why I think logging is is 281 00:19:26,250 --> 00:19:29,940 a good idea. Because let me show you what happened when there was 282 00:19:29,940 --> 00:19:33,060 no login or login was impossible. And we tried to 283 00:19:33,060 --> 00:19:37,290 solve the problem. And in again, learning moment. Yeah, 284 00:19:37,290 --> 00:19:38,340 everything goes. Anybody could 285 00:19:38,340 --> 00:19:41,520 Jason Baum: read a recipe not everyone could be a chef. 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It has to be I would I mean all the time to becoming 304 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,030 a software engineer and an author. 305 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,250 Alfredo Deza: Yeah, you know, it wasn't an easy transition, it 306 00:21:14,250 --> 00:21:20,550 was very hard. First off, like I decided to leave my country. And 307 00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:28,890 both my parents said, this is a horrible idea. You're the 308 00:21:29,220 --> 00:21:31,920 Jason Baum: motivation? Yeah. encouragement. 309 00:21:31,950 --> 00:21:34,200 Alfredo Deza: I mean, they were right. They were right, because 310 00:21:35,220 --> 00:21:39,240 I didn't go to college. I mean, I went to college for like, a 311 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,730 few months. And then I said, like, I can't I can't do these 312 00:21:41,730 --> 00:21:46,530 theses. Not really, for me, I wasn't finding myself interested 313 00:21:46,530 --> 00:21:49,530 in the stuff that was going on at college. So I just dropped 314 00:21:49,530 --> 00:21:53,190 out after a few months. Now consider that like, I didn't go 315 00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:58,350 to college, or I guess technically a dropout. So didn't 316 00:21:58,350 --> 00:22:03,960 go to college didn't had any other formula education into any 317 00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:09,000 career skill whatsoever. No experience working at like I 318 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:15,420 didn't have, I didn't perform any work stuff. So it was mostly 319 00:22:15,450 --> 00:22:20,760 I'm an athlete. And I do that's what I do for a living. And in 320 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,520 no experience doing anything other than professional sports. 321 00:22:23,820 --> 00:22:28,740 So when I say well, I'm moving to the US, it was more of like, 322 00:22:28,740 --> 00:22:31,650 whoa, wait a second, you're going to in what are you going 323 00:22:31,650 --> 00:22:37,950 to do in like, in the US like that sounds you're going to lose 324 00:22:37,950 --> 00:22:42,510 your stability, at least here in Peru, doors may open up for you. 325 00:22:42,510 --> 00:22:45,690 Because people know you people have heard your name, and they 326 00:22:45,690 --> 00:22:50,040 know who you are. And, you know, worst comes to worst. Like they 327 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,670 at least know your name. And you're going to go to us where 328 00:22:53,670 --> 00:22:59,880 nobody knows you. But to me, it felt sort of liberating, because 329 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,760 I could reinvent myself, I could be someone completely different 330 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,770 than for the longest time. I wouldn't, I wouldn't put any of 331 00:23:07,770 --> 00:23:13,200 my of my track and field accomplishments anywhere in, in 332 00:23:13,230 --> 00:23:16,830 in any of my profiles. I wouldn't. It would drive my that 333 00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:19,620 crazy. He would be like very upset that I wouldn't do that. 334 00:23:19,620 --> 00:23:21,870 Because it's like, are you That's insane. Like you're, 335 00:23:22,290 --> 00:23:28,710 it's, it's it you're you're doing a disservice to yourself. 336 00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:32,220 This is not very good, good strategy for you, especially 337 00:23:32,250 --> 00:23:36,690 because you're starting from scratch. And I agree with that. 338 00:23:36,690 --> 00:23:39,720 But I wouldn't feel comfortable because it even today, to me 339 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,840 feels kind of like I don't want to be perceived as someone that 340 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,710 is a show off. You know, like in, in thank you for asking me 341 00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:53,010 these questions. Because I think if anyone listening wants to 342 00:23:53,010 --> 00:23:56,340 rescue something that is very good, very positive, very 343 00:23:56,340 --> 00:24:01,110 useful. From this interview. It's that it's not necessarily 344 00:24:01,110 --> 00:24:05,040 Olympics. It's not necessarily that I was the first ever World 345 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,270 Champion for Peru. But I did this transition, which was 346 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:13,890 extremely hard. And I came to the US. I had just recently 347 00:24:13,890 --> 00:24:18,180 married, again, talk about things that my parents thought 348 00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:20,940 were not excellent ideas, because, you know, how are you 349 00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:24,030 going to support your new family, you know, you don't 350 00:24:24,030 --> 00:24:28,230 leave you're not working. It's like, and so we came to the US. 351 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:34,080 And he was he was extremely hard. I started being a personal 352 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:39,660 trainer in kind of like a volunteer coach, trying to teach 353 00:24:39,660 --> 00:24:42,420 people to hijab and trying to teach people how to work 354 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:48,690 properly. I was interested in technology, but I didn't exactly 355 00:24:48,690 --> 00:24:54,780 knew what to do where to go. At that time, YouTube, perhaps the 356 00:24:54,780 --> 00:24:57,690 annexes there if it existed, like it wasn't as useful as it 357 00:24:57,690 --> 00:25:02,910 is today. So I would go into a local bookstore and read 358 00:25:02,910 --> 00:25:06,150 technology books since I call. And so I started writing, I 359 00:25:06,150 --> 00:25:10,350 wanted to, to have a blog, and I learned about Linux, getting 360 00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:12,780 started getting really interested into Linux. And so I 361 00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:15,570 wanted to learn more and more and more about that, and started 362 00:25:15,570 --> 00:25:20,370 becoming sort of proficient in doing things in Linux, and fine, 363 00:25:20,430 --> 00:25:24,900 uh, found myself having the opportunity to work for a 364 00:25:24,930 --> 00:25:28,170 company that needed a system administrator, but just for a 365 00:25:28,170 --> 00:25:32,700 few hours. And so that that meant that Oh, wow, like this is 366 00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:37,020 this is, this is great, because I'm going to be able to just 367 00:25:37,020 --> 00:25:40,380 prove myself that I can bake and learning, I was just, I was just 368 00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:44,430 so hungry, so hungry, to, to prove myself to do these things, 369 00:25:44,580 --> 00:25:49,740 to learn to keep doing things. And it was like, it depends. 370 00:25:49,770 --> 00:25:53,820 Sometimes, you know, things are hard. Work. Work is hard. But 371 00:25:53,850 --> 00:25:58,860 definitely in those early years, I was super motivated, super 372 00:25:58,860 --> 00:26:05,010 motivated. And in very eager to learn in there were a few people 373 00:26:05,220 --> 00:26:10,650 that noticed, and where they cause tremendous impact in my 374 00:26:10,650 --> 00:26:13,770 career. And I owe them a lot. 375 00:26:14,670 --> 00:26:16,380 Jason Baum: Who are those people? These? 376 00:26:17,010 --> 00:26:21,960 Alfredo Deza: One, one of these guys. He's an Argentinean. He 377 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,650 he's a he's a wonderful human being who he was. He was the 378 00:26:25,650 --> 00:26:29,220 Chief Technologist for, for these large product that they 379 00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:33,330 were, they were green, a virtual world. He's a Java specialist. 380 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,740 He's working from Argentina in 2000. Like, he's a remote person 381 00:26:37,740 --> 00:26:40,950 working working for an office here in Atlanta, and he's in 382 00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:47,580 Argentina. And he, and he says, Hey, Alfredo, like, you know, 383 00:26:47,580 --> 00:26:50,580 I've tried, like, we're doing these monitoring of the whole 384 00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:54,570 system. It's three databases here, four web servers over 385 00:26:54,570 --> 00:26:59,850 there. And, and then we have an application servers, I think 386 00:26:59,850 --> 00:27:02,520 they were like an hour two, or three. So it was like a very 387 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:08,340 large virtual world thing in Java. And they wanted some 388 00:27:08,850 --> 00:27:12,150 scripting to be done to kind of like, put everything in 389 00:27:12,150 --> 00:27:14,940 maintenance mode. And there was a specific order that you need 390 00:27:14,940 --> 00:27:17,460 to shut down the application. And so the web servers would 391 00:27:17,460 --> 00:27:22,830 change the HTML and shows like a were, you know, kind of like an 392 00:27:24,060 --> 00:27:27,180 a message saying, Hey, we're doing some maintenance work, and 393 00:27:27,270 --> 00:27:29,490 in the databases we need to follow then. And so it's a 394 00:27:29,490 --> 00:27:32,490 special order, you need to do the thing. And, and he wanted me 395 00:27:32,490 --> 00:27:36,510 to script that. And I've never in my life program before. And 396 00:27:36,510 --> 00:27:39,210 so he's like, Oh, you're gonna do it, you're, you know, it's 397 00:27:39,210 --> 00:27:48,990 fine. And he's named me some. Carlos Cole. And in Carlos said, 398 00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:52,230 you're going to lease and say, Hey, Carlos, but like, I don't, 399 00:27:53,010 --> 00:27:57,060 I don't know how to burn like, no problem. I'm very busy. But 400 00:27:57,060 --> 00:28:00,240 every day, 15 minutes, I'll give you 15 minutes early in the 401 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,570 morning, you come in early? And I'll answer any questions. I'll 402 00:28:03,570 --> 00:28:06,930 tell you what to read and what to look for. And then we'll 403 00:28:06,930 --> 00:28:10,440 rinse and repeat every day. And, and then we'll you'll make some 404 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,620 progress, and we'll get these done. And I said, okay, okay. 405 00:28:13,650 --> 00:28:17,970 All right, let's do this. And I started doing that. And I feel 406 00:28:17,970 --> 00:28:22,470 like horrible. He's kind of like, you know, I don't want to 407 00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:28,020 sound like, you know, I know, I know, languages. I know, Spanish 408 00:28:28,020 --> 00:28:31,860 is my Spanish and Portuguese kind of similar, but not Russian 409 00:28:31,860 --> 00:28:35,310 or not Chinese. So learning how to program is kind of like that, 410 00:28:35,310 --> 00:28:39,780 like, if, if I know Spanish, it doesn't necessarily mean I know 411 00:28:39,780 --> 00:28:42,720 how to, you know, speak Chinese or read Chinese it will be and 412 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,410 so it's like, someone dropped me in Beijing. And I have to like, 413 00:28:46,410 --> 00:28:50,400 figure it out how to survive. And I was like, I don't know 414 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,710 anything. This is This is insane. I started having 415 00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:55,980 nightmares. I wasn't sleeping because I felt like a lot of 416 00:28:55,980 --> 00:29:00,090 responsibility to, like, get this thing going. And one day I 417 00:29:00,090 --> 00:29:02,700 said, Okay, that's it. I'm going to tell these guys tell my wife, 418 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:04,620 I'm going to tell this guy I can't I can't do it anymore. I 419 00:29:04,620 --> 00:29:08,220 quit like he has to find someone else. And he said, Okay, you 420 00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:10,530 know, like I went there I talked to him was like, Yes, I'll 421 00:29:10,530 --> 00:29:13,260 follow what's going on. Like that's it no more I can program 422 00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:16,140 I don't know how to lead you're, you're asking me to do all these 423 00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:18,870 things. He seems very important. And I'm not making any progress. 424 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,370 So I quit. And he said we what is it that you're not 425 00:29:23,370 --> 00:29:26,520 understanding? Well, I don't know what what this thing is. I 426 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,970 don't know what that thing is. But that thing does. I'm very 427 00:29:29,970 --> 00:29:33,540 confused as I got one second. So that thing that you don't 428 00:29:33,540 --> 00:29:35,970 understand you need to read this thing. And this sort of thing 429 00:29:35,970 --> 00:29:39,270 works like nice, okay. Yes. Okay. Okay. Do you get enough? 430 00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:42,090 Yes. Okay. See you tomorrow. I keep you going. Let me quit. He 431 00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:46,680 didn't let me quit. He saw I was like these guys, you seriously. 432 00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:51,570 And and we managed to do it. Like I completed the whole thing 433 00:29:51,570 --> 00:29:57,270 and I learned how to program in and you know, just fantastic. I 434 00:29:57,270 --> 00:30:00,570 mean, just super grateful I think in the Python for DevOps 435 00:30:00,750 --> 00:30:05,550 book that I wrote for Riley, I think it was 2019 I think we 436 00:30:05,550 --> 00:30:10,710 finished that. I actually just thank him because I mean he was 437 00:30:10,860 --> 00:30:14,130 he was essential for me great critical in my career to get me 438 00:30:14,130 --> 00:30:14,520 going. 439 00:30:15,089 --> 00:30:17,999 Jason Baum: That's awesome. Wow, we don't You don't everyday have 440 00:30:18,029 --> 00:30:21,059 someone who's refusing refuses to quit on you, even when you're 441 00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:24,659 ready to quit yourself. Yeah, but refuses to quit on you. 442 00:30:24,689 --> 00:30:27,419 That's, that's pretty amazing probably sawn in you what you 443 00:30:27,419 --> 00:30:31,769 just described that you wish you could have in someone? Oh, yeah, 444 00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:36,119 you probably tick those boxes, I'm assuming for him. All right. 445 00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:39,899 Well, I mean, this has been absolutely amazing getting to 446 00:30:40,019 --> 00:30:44,999 meet you talk about your, your, your career, your life, I mean, 447 00:30:44,999 --> 00:30:48,599 you have outside of the box, I would say is the best way to 448 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:54,509 describe your path that you went on, definitely not the standard. 449 00:30:54,509 --> 00:30:58,229 But my gosh, you must have learned so much that we haven't 450 00:30:58,229 --> 00:31:01,169 even touched on, I think we scratched the surface. So I 451 00:31:01,169 --> 00:31:03,269 think people will have to get your books, you know, the 452 00:31:03,270 --> 00:31:06,000 Alfredo Deza: books people thinks like, writing books is 453 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,230 very good. Like, yeah, it's a lot of work. Like, if you ever 454 00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:14,790 run a marathon is like running a marathon, and he never ends. And 455 00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:18,990 you you're like, oh, man, like, this is really rough. But, you 456 00:31:18,990 --> 00:31:23,670 know, I'm just genuinely happy to be here. And to kind of, 457 00:31:23,670 --> 00:31:28,020 like, convey the message of, you know, working hard and doing a 458 00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:31,770 lot of effort in any that ends up, you know, someone saying, 459 00:31:31,770 --> 00:31:34,350 Well, let me just search these dude around. Maybe he's writing 460 00:31:34,350 --> 00:31:38,370 interesting books about, you know, DevOps or Python, or, you 461 00:31:38,370 --> 00:31:41,910 know, the last book was machine learning operations, which is 462 00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:45,420 kind of like related to DevOps for machine learning. I mean, 463 00:31:45,420 --> 00:31:48,810 that's great. But, you know, if they don't, that's, that's also 464 00:31:48,810 --> 00:31:52,830 good. Like, I'm here to just share the stories and in all 465 00:31:52,830 --> 00:31:56,040 those books full of stories, so if you like the stories here, 466 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,740 then go go find the books, I was gonna 467 00:31:58,740 --> 00:32:00,720 Jason Baum: say, I want to hear more, I want to hear more 468 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,050 stories, you're definitely gonna have to come back. But I do have 469 00:32:04,050 --> 00:32:07,320 a final question for you. Yes, we always ask our guests one 470 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,350 final question. We usually like them to dig deep a little think 471 00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:16,200 think, okay, it's used somewhat personal. But this one's This 472 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:22,020 one's I think, relevant. So, if DevOps was an Olympic event, 473 00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:25,110 which sport or event would it be? 474 00:32:28,349 --> 00:32:31,229 Alfredo Deza: You know, what, I think more than a sport, I would 475 00:32:31,229 --> 00:32:36,269 say, being a coach, I think that's what I would say not not 476 00:32:36,269 --> 00:32:41,159 necessarily like a specific event, a coach has to have like, 477 00:32:41,159 --> 00:32:45,779 lots of experience has to know like, what to apply to their, to 478 00:32:45,779 --> 00:32:50,249 their athletes, where to where do they excel, what is the right 479 00:32:50,249 --> 00:32:58,559 environment, and continuously plan, measure and operate on on 480 00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:03,719 these these bigger plan of doing things and events and 481 00:33:03,719 --> 00:33:07,079 competitions in try to keep keep improving things? So I would say 482 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:12,269 a coach sounds more more like a DevOps DevOps engineer. 483 00:33:12,570 --> 00:33:14,550 Jason Baum: I think that's a great answer. I think that's 484 00:33:14,550 --> 00:33:19,050 wonderful. All right. Well, I mean, I'm afraid I can't thank 485 00:33:19,050 --> 00:33:21,420 you enough for coming on and sharing some of those stories, 486 00:33:21,420 --> 00:33:24,480 you're gonna have to come back because I have a ton more. So 487 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,940 maybe when it's when it's the Summer Olympics, he'll come back 488 00:33:26,940 --> 00:33:29,490 and talk to us again and share even more. 489 00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:34,560 Alfredo Deza: Sure, that sounds great. Jason, I appreciate a ton 490 00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:39,240 being here anytime I can come back anytime happy to keep 491 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,790 talking more about these things and and again, just emphasizing 492 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,380 it's not about for me about you know having done well in sports, 493 00:33:49,380 --> 00:33:54,420 but you know, the message is like hey, just just keep 494 00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:57,960 grinding keep doing excellent work be useful, be motivated, 495 00:33:57,990 --> 00:34:03,630 show genuine enthusiasm about things and I think specially 496 00:34:03,630 --> 00:34:07,200 here in the US I think people love that and they will just 497 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,690 open the doors. I know I would like if someone knocks on 498 00:34:09,690 --> 00:34:13,680 violins like excited the will these things work and I do more 499 00:34:13,950 --> 00:34:17,700 Python or system administrators like it doesn't matter. Like 500 00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:21,660 dude, you're hired like what? Just Can I sign you right away? 501 00:34:22,050 --> 00:34:25,290 And before you know before before before we go like let me 502 00:34:25,350 --> 00:34:29,820 tell you these tiny, tiny short story sure I was helping out. 503 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,880 They told us okay, you need to get some some time aside to help 504 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:41,820 these person. She's in Latin America, she's won some some 505 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,810 someone to review her resume in Spanish. Can you help her out? 506 00:34:45,810 --> 00:34:48,870 And so I said, Okay, that's fine. an inker resume. She said, 507 00:34:48,930 --> 00:34:53,430 I'm very motivated and I want to learn new things and, and I 508 00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:56,070 asked him like, what can you can you explain to me a little bit 509 00:34:56,070 --> 00:34:59,340 more what you're doing? Are you going to college? Yes, I'm 510 00:34:59,340 --> 00:35:02,190 studying In 90 minutes, okay, and what else? How's your 511 00:35:02,190 --> 00:35:06,090 English? Oh, my English is I'm going twice a week to an English 512 00:35:06,090 --> 00:35:09,270 Institute and learning English. Okay, that's great. And how's 513 00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:12,150 your programming? Oh, well, I'm, I'm thinking twice a week 514 00:35:12,270 --> 00:35:17,550 classes to do learn Python. Okay, so you're going to college 515 00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:20,970 as well. Yeah. And these resumes for is for what what are you 516 00:35:20,970 --> 00:35:24,480 trying to do? Well, I'm doing, I'm doing part time, part time 517 00:35:24,540 --> 00:35:28,050 working at this company that is doing automation on email 518 00:35:28,050 --> 00:35:32,040 systems. Is is a go whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on one second. So 519 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:34,770 you're going to college, you're learning English, you're 520 00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:39,750 learning how to code in, in, in Python. And you're working part 521 00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:43,950 time in a company. I mean, that that secret don't say that you 522 00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:48,240 that you're trying to, you know, like to learn new things. Just 523 00:35:48,270 --> 00:35:51,870 you have to blow it out of the water and say, Hey, look at all 524 00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:55,410 of these things that I'm doing. And I'm in another country where 525 00:35:55,410 --> 00:35:57,810 things are already difficult. They look what I'm already 526 00:35:57,810 --> 00:36:00,870 trying to do. It's like PCC insane. I would hire you 527 00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:05,100 yesterday. If it was up to me, this is credible. And I think 528 00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:08,880 that's the type of people that we need. And if you're one of 529 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,090 those, well, that's great. I'm pretty sure things are just 530 00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:14,490 going to work very well for you. That's 531 00:36:14,490 --> 00:36:16,530 Jason Baum: awesome. That's awesome. We all need our own 532 00:36:16,530 --> 00:36:19,500 personal hype person behind us. I think sometimes, yeah, 533 00:36:19,530 --> 00:36:22,980 absolutely. Our own flavor for life. Awesome. Thanks so much 534 00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:25,860 Alfredo. I really appreciate it. Thanks for listening to this 535 00:36:25,860 --> 00:36:28,920 episode of the humans of DevOps Podcast. I'm going to end this 536 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,650 episode the same way I always do encouraging you to become a 537 00:36:31,650 --> 00:36:34,710 member of DevOps Institute to get access to even more great 538 00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:38,850 resources just like this one. Until next time, stay safe, stay 539 00:36:38,850 --> 00:36:42,300 healthy, and most of all, stay human, live long and prosper. 540 00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:46,350 Narrator: Thanks for listening to this episode of the humans of 541 00:36:46,350 --> 00:36:49,890 DevOps podcast. Don't forget to join our global community to get 542 00:36:49,890 --> 00:36:53,250 access to even more great resources like this. Until next 543 00:36:53,250 --> 00:36:56,670 time, remember, you are part of something bigger than yourself. 544 00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:57,750 You belong