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I would
never thought I would see this in my life.
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These individuals showing up
at our library, looking purposely
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for a confrontation and video
taping themselves with their smartphones.
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Welcome to CADL Cast with Capital Area
District Libraries.
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Executive Director Scott Duimstra.
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Welcome to another episode of CADL Cast.
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Libraries across the state and country
are witnessing an unprecedented uptick
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in book challenges.
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The future of a West Michigan library
itself.
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The impact of these book challenges.
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When a small group succeeded
in their campaign against the library's
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millage renewal
over a small offering of LGBTQ materials,
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essentially removing
85% of the library's budget.
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Joining us today is Larry Walton, the
Library Board president of Patmos Library.
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Larry, thank you so much for joining us
at CADL Cast.
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Yes, thank you for having me this morning.
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I appreciate that
for getting the word out.
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And just to kind of get the word out,
can you tell us
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more a bit about the situation
and how it came to be?
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So. So, yes,
just to summarize this quickly,
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because there is quite a year long history
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behind this tale and this situation.
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But you you mentioned that there was
there was
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and is still an organized group
of what's called
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Jamestown conservatives.
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And that that is a group
that has a lot of conservative roots
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in this Jamestown area
that is part of, I'll say, a Dutch reform
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church group.
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And they did they did organize
because they
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they were not happy with LGBTQ books
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that were on our
ARE and are still on our shelves.
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And they were
they were frustrated because they felt
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that the library board of which I am
part of, was not taking any action.
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Therefore, their action was to simply
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organize, have a “no campaign―,
and ultimately
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the millage failed on August 2nd,
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thus potentially resulting
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in the closing,
the future closing of our doors.
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And I think that's
what a lot of people don't realize.
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And even when I read about the story
that that even the vote
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no, people were like, well,
no one will essentially close the library.
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There will be other ways to fund it.
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And I don't think people realize,
no, there isn't.
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These operational millages are essential.
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And so the library gained national
attention when the millage failed.
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How is it impacted the library
and the community to be at the center
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of the Book Banning debate?
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So so first off,
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the words address of our
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our library staff
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was already stressed because
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we've had two directors quit this year
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due to harassment and safety concerns
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that the conservative group
was initiating unfortunate.
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I would never thought
I would see this in my life that we
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that we did experience these individuals
showing up at our library
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and looking for looking purposely
for a confrontation
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and videotaping themselves
with their smartphones.
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So they were looking they were looking
to confront the directors.
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We saw we lost two directors this year.
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We are still without a director,
which leads up to the stress
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going into the into the vote.
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We had no directors, so the staff was out
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stressed due
to picking up the slack of the director.
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The board members picking up the slack of
of not having a director,
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and then all of a sudden it's voted down.
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So now you have the added stress of, well,
I'm going to lose my job,
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the doors are going to close
and I'm going to lose my job.
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So that, you know, that's
very the anxiety these the stress levels.
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They are
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still you know, this this wasn't this,
you know, it's what, three weeks away?
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Yeah.
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So it's still very recent
and it's still very hard at this point.
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So. Sure.
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And I know you've gotten
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a lot of national attention and local
and state attention as well, too.
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Can you tell us about the support
that you've received in response?
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So so, yes, I want to break that up in two
regards there.
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There is the local community
support outpouring, which is phenomenal.
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So a lot of our community, we are just
short of 10,000 people in our community.
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We are a very fast growing community
in our area.
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Be in our location close to Grand Rapids,
but still being in the country,
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it's a it's a very popular area
for people to move into.
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So first off,
there was a large portion of our community
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that was not aware that this was going on.
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Now they do this
this local and national attention
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has gotten the word out
that this is a major issue.
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This is a national issue.
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And in our small town is in the spotlight
this whole month.
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So so the local community has come out
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our last board meeting
had a record number of people.
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We were almost at 200 people
showing up to a board meeting.
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That's wow.
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We jokingly say a little over a year ago
and for the last 20 years,
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we had no public
show up to our board meetings.
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Now you're the
hottest ticket in town. So we
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we we are
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unfortunately unfortunately we we
we expect and anticipate large
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audience is now we welcome
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feedback, you know, so it's all good.
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So the local support has been phenomenal.
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And of course nationally
we never expected that
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there was an article by Bridge,
Michigan, that
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that one article was probably
the first article that came out
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and that really exploded
and exploded nationally.
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So a national and national attention
everywhere.
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So you should I know it's very stressful,
but just as someone in the
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library community that should be really
proud of this, you're standing up
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for kind of the essential purpose
of public libraries,
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which is access to all
and that First Amendment rights.
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And and we in the library community,
not only just your local residents, but
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but those of us in the library community
are truly behind and support you.
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And I know Millages, even just in a normal
time can be very stressful.
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But with yours not passing,
you are putting it back on the ballot
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later this year.
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So can you tell us how that's going
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and if there's anything community members
can do to lend their support?
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So so yeah.
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So we did quickly
we had we during our board meeting
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had to make a choice between three options
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in regards to re pursuing a millage.
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As you stated,
85% of our budget is the millage.
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So the only way to keep our doors
open is to pursue our millage long term.
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I say that long term
because of course we've gotten
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an influx of funds
coming in from donations
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that will keep us open for a year,
but long term ten years.
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I have to have that millage.
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So we we voted,
we made a decision to pursue
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quickly
this come this coming November ballot.
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We are pursuing that.
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And we just formed
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our millage committee last night
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assigned I assigned
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action items last night quickly
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this attention has allowed us
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to receive a lot of volunteers.
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And your question?
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We need still more volunteers.
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We still need local volunteers
to help out with our committee.
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So that's the first thing
I'm asking for, is for individuals
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to contact the library, contact myself
to help out.
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If you can, to volunteer
with this committee.
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We call it the yes committee. And then
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here again,
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support, if you can't be on the millage,
simply
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if you can volunteer to put a
yes sign in your yard, it's that simple.
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You can get a hold of us will be
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put place in order to to manufacture yes.
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Signs to get the word out
and just to have a large viewing of.
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Yes signs throughout our community
would be would be phenomenal.
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So that's what we're hoping for.
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We're anticipating and spreading the word
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to get a larger portion of our residents
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to come out
to vote, this time in the November.
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The August was obviously during
that time frame.
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August is of a very much smaller
turnout during that time.
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So it is and we were Capital Area
District Libraries system
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our operational millage was on the
the the August ballot as well too
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in a lot of your planning as you just
you need people
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who use the library to get out and vote
to show up at the polls.
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And I think what you said is essential.
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Like you need to
if you support the library,
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you need to show up at the polls or vote
however you vote.
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And and it's not just sit back
and yeah, it'll pass,
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but no, you have to be an active voter
if you do see the value of the library.
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Yes, very, very good.
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We need everybody, pro library supporters
to come out and vote. Yes.
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Bottom line.
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So and what are you hoping that listeners
take away from this conversation?
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So so what I'm hoping they take away
is the simple statement
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that all public libraries are
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for everyone, that that's key.
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That is a key element.
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The second thing I would take away
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from from this experience of listening
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to our
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to our community, to our patrons,
is just simply
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you as parents
taking your children to a public library.
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You're responsible for your children.
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You monitor your children.
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You monitor what your children,
what section of the library they're in,
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what books they may be looking at you
as the parent are responsible.
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We as the library are catering
to all aspects of our community.
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You could not have said it better, Larry.
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And for our listeners,
I will also add legally,
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library employees
cannot act in place of a parent.
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So if you
if you want your child to use the library
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and the library in the way
that you imagine them using that book,
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show up with them
and visit the library with them.
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And they will
they will follow your lead, so... Yes.
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Thank you.
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Is there anything you'd like to say
to listeners who voted no for the library
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millage or those who are undecided on
where they stand on the library vote? Yes.
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Our millage campaign
we talked about this last night,
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our millage committee
will be campaigning to increase
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the awareness of
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what our millage is asking for.
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Is millage.
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Language is confusing
and you show up to vote.
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And we know that when you show up
and you see a word that says increase
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during these time of higher inflation
and money is very tight for people.
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And right away
they read and see a word increase.
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I'm letting our people know
that our increase
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represents
what we call a 0.1 mill increase,
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that 0.1 mill
for an average household represents
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approximately an additional $20 to you
per family all year.
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So it's a very small amount
from our point of view,
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that additional money
to the library represents roughly
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around an additional $60,000 a year.
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And that small amount of money,
we consider
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that small amount,
that small amount of money
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was being subsidized by our township.
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And we,
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in collaboration between the library board
and the township
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board, both agree
that we would like the library to be
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self-sufficient,
self-funding entity of the township.
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And so if the if the millage can support
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without the township
being involved with subsidizing,
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then we were both agreement that this
this is a good thing.
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But we we know in the next two months
we have to do a better job
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communicating that that slight increase
is not a large dollar amount,
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but as a whole
it helps keep our doors open.
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It helps to deal with inflationary costs
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with wages of our staff.
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It helps us to even increase hours in
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and it will help us find a new director.
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They said again without a director.
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And we found and we know that
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for us to obtain a quality director
that we need to start offering
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some supplement or
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supplementary benefits with that position.
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We didn't have that in the past.
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We do need to offer that.
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So so there are some costs
to having a quality library in our area.
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I agree with that.
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Quality library listeners,
you get that money back.
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I mean, for the increase that Larry
talked about, check out two items a year.
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You get that back already.
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So it's very easy
to get your return on investment.
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And I thank you very. That's a great word.
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That's a great. Word.
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Now, this is a. Library type.
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Podcast, so we always like to end
with a suggestion from our guests.
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So any titles that you're reading
that you're watching
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or that you're listening to,
that you would recommend to our listeners.
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Okay, so what, what one of my favorites is
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I want to suggest to the audiences I read
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an author named Robert Parker.
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Robert Parker has a series
called The Spenser Series.
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And there's actually been a movie
out there called
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Spenser on the on the series of books.
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But I'm recommending Robert Parker's
Spenser series, and I love it
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just because it's there is lots of action
and there is actually lots of humor
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in these actions.
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So any way I just wanted to throw that out
as being one of my favorites.
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It's great suggestion.
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Great suggestion.
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Larry, thank you so much for joining us
on CADL Cast today.
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We wish you the best of luck.
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I'm very confident
that that your message will pass.
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But you have
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many fans here in the Ingham County area
and we'll be watching with close eyes.
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Thank you. Thank you for everything.
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And for our listeners,
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Hey Stevie in the morning
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with DeDe's Weekly Downloads
from Capital Area District Libraries,
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this week's title is Didn’t
We Almost Have It All:
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In Defense of Whitney Houston by Garrett
Kennedy.
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Music Journalist
Kennedy brings years of research
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plus respect for his subject
to this examination
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of the complexities of Houston's
life, music and legacy.
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To stream or download
this or other featured titles, visit
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cadl.org/dede, Stacks
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