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Alexei Sayle: Hi, everybody.

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Welcome to podcast number 29
of the Alexei Sayle podcast.

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This is, uh, uh, an easygoing
cattle loping sugar foot, kind of

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a, you'd have to be like really old
to remember what the fuck that was.

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Talal Karkouti: Well, yeah.

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What the fuck are you talking about?

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Alexei Sayle: Cattle.

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That's a, what's cattle loping?

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That was a, Oh, there was a, in the
1960s, I think there was a black and

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white western TV series shown on, um,
Grard television, I think up north

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called, I think it was called Sugarfoot.

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We, Warner Brothers used to make the,
used to have had a huge stable of kind

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of half hour westerns that they made.

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Um, yeah, um, Maverick was one.

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Um, There was one that started
Clint East with Raw Hide, uh, have

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gone with travel and sugarfoot.

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And it was this, the theme song went
something like, I think he, he, he

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roping eloping capital rope show Go Foot.

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I think his, his kind of usp,
his, his, his particular thing

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was that he was quite gentle.

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That's why he was called Sugarfoot.

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I think he was less macho than, um, uh, if
you got a book day, you're looking it all.

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Oh, that's funny.

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Talal Karkouti: Cause I was just
reading about, um, I was just

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reading, uh, Alan Moore graphic novel.

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All right.

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The, the last, um, League of
Extraordinary Gentleman book.

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And at the beginning of each kind of
chapter, they, they have a, they write

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a passage about, and kind of memory of
a graphic, not an a comic book artist.

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All right.

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In the past, One of the
ones they mentioned.

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And they're all British, by the way.

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Yeah.

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One of the ones they mentioned,
maybe Dennis McLoughlin Right.

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Was like obsessed with
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From America and wrote and
drew a lot of British comic

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books about cowboys and stuff.

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Yeah.

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It was Dennis McLaughlin, Buffalo
Bill, Wild West, shit like that.

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So it's, it's funny

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Alexei Sayle: how that one, but yeah.

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Yeah.

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You brought that there was, um,

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Talal Karkouti: there's an
obsession in the UK around that

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time about cowboys and stuff.

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Like it wasn't just in
America, the fan base

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Alexei Sayle: there was, you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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There was, I guess they had a big impact.

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There was also that thing, which, you
know, that, um, a lot of the British

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series, like Robin Hood and William Tell
and stuff, that they were actually, a

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lot of them were written by, Communists
who'd fled from the McCarthyite

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pages in Hollywood in the fifties.

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So, Oh.

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If you look at, you know, if you look
at epi, you know certain episodes of

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William tell, you know, the, they're
called like dialectical and historical

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materialism, , but they, they actually
do contain subtle kind of communist

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Marxist messages if you, So that's with

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Talal Karkouti: Robin Hood.

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It's not so subtle

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Alexei Sayle: though, is it?

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Cause it's Well whole Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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. He invented

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Talal Karkouti: Proto

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Alexei Sayle: Bandit.

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Yeah.

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Eat the Rich.

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Yeah.

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Talal Karkouti: And nowadays all the
Robin Hood films are all American

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productions, even though they obviously
have to cast Brits in the roles.

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And the last ones made
my guy Richie, wasn't it?

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I did something.

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Alexei Sayle: You were,

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Talal Karkouti: I did
some ADR in that, Robin.

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Okay.

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Cause it starts in the
Crusades in the Middle East.

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Yeah.

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Where Robin Hood gets all his training
and I, I voiced a bunch of Arabs

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being shot with arrows and stuff,

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Alexei Sayle: you know, I can't watch it.

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I said this before, I can't watch
a film set in the Middle East now.

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Cause I was, You like that?

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I was watching that chase scene
in, um, the, the third born film,

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you know, which is in Ang, I think.

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And then I just add you going, you know,

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How did you know my line?

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I didn't know.

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Yeah.

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Talal Karkouti: Me or one of my cohorts.

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I know it's, Yeah.

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Well, I can't watch any film
without picking apart the sound

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design because it's, it's, if it's
a good film, they do it so well.

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So for the listener ADR is when.

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Because, you know, on a film set like
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or any scene really set outdoors,
they have hundreds of extras sometimes

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scattered around the shot and you can't
record all their audio on the day.

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In fact, in order to get the clean audio
of the main actors, what you do is you

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tell all the extras in the background,
just the mime, uh, talking don't

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actually make any noise because the lead
actors, we wanna get their audio clean.

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And so what they do is in post production,
normally in a studio in soho, they'll

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bring in group loop groups, you
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five and 15 actors come into a room.

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And then we double the voices for
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Yeah.

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And basically any movie in the
last 20 years that was set in the

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Middle East or TV show, I'm probably
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muttering some stuff and.

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Uh, or, or saying, you know, Death
to America in the early days.

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I did a lot of that shit.

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Yeah.

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Filth, The American pig dog, blah.

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Lots of those noises.

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Um, and so that's all done in London,
uh, no matter where the film is shot.

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Um, but now, yeah, well nowadays I
do a lot more than just Arab stuff.

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Uh, I do.

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Cause pretty soon my, eventually
my agent realized that this is

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my natural accent and she's like,
Oh, you speak English normally.

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I'm like, Yeah, okay.

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Let's get you in for a silent
witness and see how you do

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and, you know, stuff like that.

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Alexei Sayle: but, um, Well, it's a little
glimpse behind the curtain for you there.

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People see how  shit gets made.

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Talal Karkouti: Yeah, that's
my bread and butter voicing

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angry Arabs in the background.

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And actually, I'm, I'm thinking
of starting a new podcast.

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Uh, eventually when I get round to it, I
wanna do a show, uh, where every episode

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I basically dissect a film that has Arabic
characters in it, a film or TV show or

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book or whatever, and kind of, yeah.

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And dissect how we are represented in

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Alexei Sayle: that  thing.

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Always well and fairly.

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which is based on his book.

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Um, I think his name is Michael Shaheen.

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I wish I could remember his name.

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I'll look it up.

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But the film is called Real Bad
Arabs and Real is Pelt, r e l.

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And it's a history of Arabs
represented in Hollywood, Right.

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It's a professor of film who made the
film and, and he is based on one of

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Alexei Sayle: his essays.

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Cause in i d suppose it's changed,
but you know, in the, in the Indiana

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Jones I was in, of course the Adams
played by a fucking Welsh guy.

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And you and yes and me.

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That's true.

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Here's me railing against Miss
casting of Adams and I'm one of them.

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Um, Yeah, that's

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Talal Karkouti: true.

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You're right.

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And I wanna have a guest on each episode
and so on the Indiana Jones episode, I

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think I would ask you to be my guest and
we'll basically, and kind of and dissect

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it and then mian for the mommy episode.

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Um, and.

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And just, I think that
would be a really cool,

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Alexei Sayle: Interesting,
Yeah, it's an interesting idea.

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Talal Karkouti: Analysis of, of
Hollywood representation, How

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history and whole cultures get
distorted through the lens of a

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Alexei Sayle: fucking Yeah.

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Well, of course when we're, yeah,
when we were, uh, reps izing kind of

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nostalgically about westerns, but I
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legitimizing genocide, aren't they really?

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I mean, that's what they're, that's
what a lot that's all's all about.

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Talal Karkouti: That's all
been washed out these days.

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They hardly ever have, uh, covered that
issue of like, cowboys in Indians like,

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Alexei Sayle: kind of thing.

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Well, I mean, now, yes, now, or it's done.

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They have to acknowledge that.

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But I mean, that's what those, that's
the, if you, you know, you kind of,

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if you think that those films are
propaganda, they're partly about, you

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know, um, legit, you know, legitimating.

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There's Friday Clean up
the Savage Land stage.

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All that.

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A lot of that.

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John Wayne.

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That's amazing.

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Wasn't it actually that they made that
a fucking, um, um, lone ranger that

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they made with a Hannah and Johnny Depp.

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, which wasn't that long ago with
Johnny Depp with that beard on his Ed.

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Mm-hmm.

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playing a, a Native American Tonto.

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Toto playing Tonto.

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Um, uh, and um, it was extraordinary that
got made really, At least it was a Johnny

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Talal Karkouti: De is has
got like one eighth Cherokee

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Alexei Sayle: or something like

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Talal Karkouti: that.

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I thought the set pieces in that film
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looked incredible, but the whole idea
of the film existing is questionable.

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Alexei Sayle: I think it was
highly questionable, but, uh, you

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know, there was, And that's Arn.

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HammerFall and prey to some.

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Talal Karkouti: He's a cannibal, isn't he?

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Me too.

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Is he?

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Well, yeah, that's

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Alexei Sayle: why he's canceled Now.

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I have, I really do not know about this.

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No, I, No, I just saw that
he was, he'd been canceled.

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So like he, Oh, well, I don't
like that word canceled.

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But I mean, he, he, he'd
been, you know, he left

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Talal Karkouti: some
voicemails for a girl.

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He was courting a lady.

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He was courting, Yeah.

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Just, you know, casually talking about
how he wants to bring her back to his

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house and like, eat her fingers and
drink her blood and stuff like that.

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And then, uh, she leaked the audio.

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And then he was blacklisted after that.

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All

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Alexei Sayle: right.

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Mm-hmm.

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, Why she dabbled

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Talal Karkouti: in cannibalism.

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What?

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Have you ever dabbled in Cism?

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Alexei Sayle: not really.

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We we're not, What's in it for
the, for the, you know, for

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the cannibal lee, as it were?

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What's in it for the.

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I see what's in it for the eater, but I
can't see what's in it for the ET really?

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Whoa.

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Talal Karkouti: I guess it's a
masochistic impulse, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

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I can't really see the benefit
of being in that position.

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Not really.

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Do you think any cows out there
are getting kicks out of watching

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us eating steaks and stuff?

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? Um, I've, I've You've been
very busy lately, haven't you?

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Alexei Sayle: There's,

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Talal Karkouti: have a really nice tweet
I read by Miss Delow and she said she was

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bowl over by Alexis Sale at the BBC this
evening, recording a couple episodes of

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his imaginary Sandwich Bar radio show.

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Not sure how much it was.

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Political commentary will make the final
cut, but he's as sharp and funny as ever.

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That

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Alexei Sayle: was last night.

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Uh, when we're recording
this mistake, I was in there.

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Yeah, I think she, the, the, the,
you know, the, the, um, The bbc

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Very, I think the Poli all the
political content will, will stay in.

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We don't generally record it
unless it's already been, Well,

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Talal Karkouti: we were just discussing
before recording this, that they, they

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basically, they don't cut shit out after
you've recorded, They edit your script.

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No,

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Alexei Sayle: well, they
don't edit the script.

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They just say, they just say, you know,
we think we'll have a problem with this.

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What do you do?

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You have a work around or you know mm-hmm.

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what you think.

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Really?

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So they don't tell me to do anything.

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But, uh, you know, and there's
certain, there's certain ditches I'll,

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you know, there's certain matters.

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I'll make a stand and there's
others where I think, Right.

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Again, you know, I can see, um,
I can see your point really.

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Uh, so, uh, you know, and I
think what will go out will be.

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Pretty inflammatory, you
know, will be we'll set.

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Some feathers are jangling or whatever.

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Has it

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Talal Karkouti: ever been floated
the idea, ever been floated to

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make Sandwich Bar a TV program?

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No,

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Alexei Sayle: not really.

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No.

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I mean it, no.

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Uh,

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Talal Karkouti: what, what, what if you
were to create a TV program today and you

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had all ultimate control over what, Yeah.

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What would you really like to see

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Alexei Sayle: on tele?

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I would like to do my, Before I die,
I would like to make a big budget kind

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of Netflix series set around the world,
multiple locations that nobody watch.

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But at least, at least I'd admire,
you know, which, and there are, there

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have been many of those, like a drama
that's, I would think be a A com.

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Yeah, a comedy drama.

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I think I'd, I'd really like to,
I'd really like to make to, to kind

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of, um, to make, to write and, and
um, you know, be executive producer

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on a, on a, on a big budget.

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Um, uh, one of them things that
nobody ever sees, you know,

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on Sky or Apple or something.

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Apple tv.

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Yeah, Apple TV.

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Sounds like an Apple TV show.

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Yeah, that's what I
would really like to do.

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Um, you know, I mean, I don't really
have much, really anything to do with

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television these days, so, but I, I
think, um, that's where I would like

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to, It's why I'd like to do something
I really rather than trust you.

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Talal Karkouti: What about a TV series
about a backpacker, like on his, on

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their gap year or something that goes,

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Alexei Sayle: No, what's
that got to do with me?

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Well, then they'd be traveling.

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Oh, here around the world.

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I really like them.

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Well, no, there's a, there's
a sort of series, there's a

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type of series isn't there?

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Where there's like, there was
one called Sensate, which I think

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was an early one for Amazon.

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And it was like one character was
like Japanese and another one drove

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like a mini bus in Ghana and, and
it was really interesting until

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they started getting their fucking
superpowers and then just became boring.

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Ah.

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But when it was just set around the
world, it was really fascinating.

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I'd love to do something like, The
set in the kind of multiple countries.

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And it would also appeal to mul if anybody
out there is listening from a, you know,

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it would also appeal to multiple markets.

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Yeah.

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Which is a big, which is a big driver
for, um, uh, those, those platforms.

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It's so

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Talal Karkouti: logistical and budgetary
nightmare really having film crews and

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filmed apartments in different parts of

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Alexei Sayle: the world.

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It's only, it's only a problem
if you don't have the money.

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It's, it's solvable.

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If you've got

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Talal Karkouti: what you
watching at the moment,

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Alexei Sayle: what you enjoy.

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What am I watching at the moment?

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Current shows?

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I'm watching, uh, a watching
House of the Dragon.

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Me too.

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I was hoping you'd say that.

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Okay.

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Uh, okay.

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I mean, it's not, um, I mean, it's,
it, I mean it can, I mean, compared

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to, Fucking Lord of the Rings one.

347
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I know Lenny's in Lord of the Ring, so
I don't wanna criticize it too heavily.

348
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But he's the best part of the show's best.

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Yeah.

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It's fucking shocking.

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Bad.

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It's kind of boring.

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It's really awful.

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Just a waste of money is staggering.

355
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You know, the cost, you can see
the money on the screen bit.

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Its

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Talal Karkouti: ridiculous.

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Yeah.

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And then they just let
the shots go on too long.

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It's like there's, there'll
be a 32nd shot of a boat just

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slowly creeping down the river.

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I'm like, okay.

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Like I know, I, I get that you spent 2
million pounds on this shot, but it's

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not telling me any story right now.

365
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Can you cut to the next scene please?

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Alexei Sayle: Yeah, But it, Which,
how should, how, how of the dragon is?

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Um, I don't think it's, um, Game of
Thrones, but it's, um, it's kind of

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watchable, you know, I think it's
very, um, it was very dark, wasn't it?

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This week's Yes.

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Episode directed by Miguel Nik.

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Oh.

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Whose parents are a
friend of my friend os.

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Oh,

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Talal Karkouti: um, Argentinian refugees,
Oscars Z Peta, Zara, Zara, I always get.

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Um, but it's just funny that they've
both come out at the same time and

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they're kind of both fantasy shows
and it's just showing how one's

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showing you how, how to do it.

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And the other one is showing you

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Alexei Sayle: Yeah, how not, I mean, the
main failure is other people have said

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about House of the Dragon is it just cons.

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Whereas, um, you know, the
Game of Thrones, uh, you

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know, had multiple storylines.

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There's much more going on across the
class divide, you know, in flea bottom and

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in, uh, you know, Kings Landing and uh,
and uh, you know, at the high and the low.

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Whereas this concentrates
entirely on the upper classes.

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And I don't know whether, and cuz I know
they made several pilots, didn't it?

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That they jumped at the cost.

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Hundreds of millions of dollars.

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I dunno whether that's clearly a decision
that they made to just concentrate on

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the shenanigans of the ruling cap class.

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And I dunno whether I, I dunno whether
that's a also, that's about the age we

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live in where, you know, it's, it's,
that's what's considered interesting

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is, is that, you know, the, the goings
on, in, in, in, in a ruling well,

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uh, cast or whether it's, you know,
I don't know what the decision was.

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I will also just, I, I
auditioned a couple of times for.

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Game of Thrones, is it?

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Oh wow.

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I never, I always, you know, there's
a thing now with actors where,

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you know, you have to self tape.

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You have to, because they say,
Well, we'd love to have you,

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but we have to send this tape.

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Talal Karkouti: Self taping is the worst

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Alexei Sayle: thing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We, we, we won't get into it too much
of this, but it is a, it's a major

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bad thing that's happened to the
acting business in the last 10 years.

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Really.

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And then they said, they said,
Can you just do like self taping?

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So I'm in such a bad mood when I do
the self tape that the people in LA

410
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look at it and go, Fuck when I ever in.

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Yeah.

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So, so I just won't do them

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Talal Karkouti: anymore.

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And I, for some reason, I'm
just more relaxed in the room

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with people than I am at home.

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Cause you get tense and
awful and I hate doing Yeah.

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And you have to direct yourself anyway.

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Alexei Sayle: It's, uh, it's
is like a conversation at the

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Gratitude Club isn't very leaders.

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Talal Karkouti: But a couple points
of what you were saying about how

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to Dragon Game Game of Thrones had
a richer source material because it

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was based on books that were thicker.

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Then a double decker bus, you
know, like they ba So they had

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all those stories ready to go.

425
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Yeah.

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And that's why I think they had so
many storylines Game Throne, but

427
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also complaining that there aren't
enough storylines in House Of, Cause

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House of Dragon is, is is being
written specifically for the TV

429
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show, so they don't have as rich,
richer source material, but Right.

430
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Most TV shows are just about
one family or one storyline.

431
00:18:55,515 --> 00:18:59,355
So like Yeah, we, we, we've
raised the set the bar a bit high.

432
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Yeah.

433
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Um, but my, my main complaint about
how Dragons is that, cause I've

434
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really, really, really enjoyed it.

435
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,935
But it is, the central theme of it is
about two women who hate each other.

436
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And That's Right.

437
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That's kind of something my girlfriend
pointed out, but I had to agree.

438
00:19:15,915 --> 00:19:16,335
Yeah.

439
00:19:17,175 --> 00:19:20,745
Okay, so you've made a show about
women, which is great, but Yeah.

440
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Why do they have to hate each other?

441
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Like what's,

442
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Alexei Sayle: um, Good point.

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Uh.

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Should we go on our last, an
analysis of our last podcast?

445
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Now, how do you feel that that went down?

446
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I mean, I, I was hoping that, that,
that, um, that would go out talking

447
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about the ideas of Chelan and,
uh, Marie Butch King book booking.

448
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And everybody would really, that would
be, people would in their millions

449
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would say, Yeah, I agree with that.

450
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And, um, you know, it
would start a revolution.

451
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I don't think that quite happened as it.

452
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But, um, you said you've had
some nice feedback about that.

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We

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Talal Karkouti: certainly have.

455
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Um, but.

456
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Don't beat yourself up, Alex, about we
haven't started a revolution yet because

457
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as discussed in the episode itself, Yeah.

458
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These ideas need time
to become normalized.

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And cuz right now most people don't
see an alternative to our, Yeah, to

460
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our system, our electoral system,
our governmental system, and we have

461
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to make the idea of aism acceptable.

462
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I, I, after that, that episode, I
spoke to some friends of mine and

463
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they were still being stubbornly.

464
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Like, it's just not applicable,
it's just not realistic.

465
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How would it work?

466
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And it's like, it's only not realistic
because we haven't considered it.

467
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Like h how many, you know, how much time
have you given to, even considering how

468
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this works, spending time with your peers
in community talking about a better way.

469
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Yeah.

470
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Yeah.

471
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And a revolution occurring
without a replacement system.

472
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Yes.

473
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Ready to go.

474
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We'll create a fucking power vacuum
and we'll end up with a tyrant or

475
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just the same shit all over again.

476
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So, no, maybe

477
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Alexei Sayle: don't.

478
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Another thing I thought this is just
slightly off, rather than maybe, rather

479
00:21:04,379 --> 00:21:07,080
than reverse, and you know, with I,
I had this idea that we would take

480
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,669
over the monster, over the Noni party.

481
00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:10,500
Maybe we could just Yeah.

482
00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:14,639
Cuz the, the most popular party in Britain
as it wears that I didn't vote party.

483
00:21:14,669 --> 00:21:15,090
Isn't it?

484
00:21:15,090 --> 00:21:17,010
There's most people, Yes.

485
00:21:17,010 --> 00:21:20,429
Don't vote or dunno if it's a
majority, but there's a lot of

486
00:21:20,490 --> 00:21:21,840
awful, lot of people who don't vote.

487
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:22,409
Yes.

488
00:21:22,469 --> 00:21:25,110
So maybe we could have a party where
you could just vote for like, call

489
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:29,310
it the protest party and you could
just vote for the protest party.

490
00:21:29,314 --> 00:21:31,050
And like, we wouldn't take our seats.

491
00:21:31,379 --> 00:21:33,959
We'd be like Shinhan at Westminster.

492
00:21:33,959 --> 00:21:34,590
We wouldn't take

493
00:21:34,590 --> 00:21:36,659
Talal Karkouti: our, So rather
than actually abstaining,

494
00:21:36,990 --> 00:21:38,699
set up a party that's called

495
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,469
Alexei Sayle: abstain the part Yeah.

496
00:21:40,469 --> 00:21:41,340
Or abstain.

497
00:21:41,399 --> 00:21:41,879
Yeah.

498
00:21:41,879 --> 00:21:42,240
And

499
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,149
Talal Karkouti: then that'd be good.

500
00:21:43,155 --> 00:21:43,530
Yeah.

501
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:44,070
Oh yeah.

502
00:21:44,074 --> 00:21:47,669
We should come up for a, with
a, an, is it an, I don't know.

503
00:21:49,635 --> 00:21:50,355
And a crim

504
00:21:50,355 --> 00:21:52,095
Alexei Sayle: for abstain.

505
00:21:52,125 --> 00:21:53,745
Like Yeah.

506
00:21:53,805 --> 00:21:54,645
Always mean.

507
00:21:54,735 --> 00:21:56,625
I can't say my mind's gone blank though.

508
00:21:56,715 --> 00:21:56,925
Yeah.

509
00:21:56,925 --> 00:21:58,245
Always be serving.

510
00:21:58,815 --> 00:22:01,755
Well, no, I don't think you,
Well, no, you just say like, the

511
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,355
protest party or independence,
you know, So the protest part.

512
00:22:05,385 --> 00:22:10,275
So we put up, we'd put up, um,
maybe I'll do the, I'll finance it

513
00:22:10,755 --> 00:22:12,255
in some byelection or something.

514
00:22:12,255 --> 00:22:12,855
I'll finance.

515
00:22:13,155 --> 00:22:16,815
So, uh, I'll stand or we'll
put up like a You can stand.

516
00:22:17,085 --> 00:22:17,325
Thanks.

517
00:22:17,325 --> 00:22:17,955
I'll do one.

518
00:22:18,675 --> 00:22:19,125
Yeah.

519
00:22:19,185 --> 00:22:20,805
Well, we need multiple constituencies.

520
00:22:20,805 --> 00:22:22,515
If you, if you are pissed off Yeah.

521
00:22:23,595 --> 00:22:25,155
Vote for the protest party.

522
00:22:25,305 --> 00:22:25,485
Yeah.

523
00:22:25,490 --> 00:22:26,955
Or abs abstain.

524
00:22:26,985 --> 00:22:27,405
Yeah.

525
00:22:27,465 --> 00:22:27,705
Yeah.

526
00:22:27,975 --> 00:22:32,595
And, um, we won't, you know,
you'll register, You're discussed

527
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,925
with the electoral system because
obviously, you know, so many decent

528
00:22:35,930 --> 00:22:38,385
people have been locked out in
the Labor Party now, for example.

529
00:22:38,895 --> 00:22:42,165
So you'll register,
you're discussed mm-hmm.

530
00:22:42,435 --> 00:22:46,815
, but like, And it'll make a powerful
and be like, you know, the political

531
00:22:46,815 --> 00:22:49,485
commentators will be like, What the
you well are, they'll ignore it.

532
00:22:49,485 --> 00:22:53,655
Or they'll be like, Oh, you know,
first in, in, in Duncan Smith's

533
00:22:53,655 --> 00:22:56,595
constituency is like in Duncan Smith.

534
00:22:56,595 --> 00:22:58,665
And then second, there's
some slimy labor bastard.

535
00:22:58,670 --> 00:23:03,015
But third is, what's this protest
to Al Cari, the protest part.

536
00:23:03,015 --> 00:23:03,945
What's this all about?

537
00:23:04,845 --> 00:23:08,535
And we won't, um, we won't take
our seats, you know, We'll swear

538
00:23:08,535 --> 00:23:11,145
not all have any policies at all.

539
00:23:11,295 --> 00:23:11,745
Yeah.

540
00:23:12,675 --> 00:23:14,445
Um, and just

541
00:23:15,045 --> 00:23:19,935
Talal Karkouti: focus all our efforts
on educating and setting up, you know,

542
00:23:19,935 --> 00:23:24,945
discussion groups and, and educating
people on an alternative way of doing.

543
00:23:25,575 --> 00:23:26,085
Alexei Sayle: Of doing.

544
00:23:26,085 --> 00:23:26,975
God no, I don't.

545
00:23:26,975 --> 00:23:28,305
Well, maybe, maybe.

546
00:23:28,305 --> 00:23:32,095
Or maybe we preparing ourselves at control
for No, maybe we'll do nothing at all.

547
00:23:32,235 --> 00:23:34,815
The protest party will
guarantee that'll do nothing.

548
00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:35,095
Talal Karkouti: Control.

549
00:23:35,095 --> 00:23:36,075
No, we can't do that.

550
00:23:36,075 --> 00:23:37,455
This isn't our Patriot page.

551
00:23:37,785 --> 00:23:39,105
No, we can't do that.

552
00:23:39,135 --> 00:23:41,835
You got, we're building,
put it at the building

553
00:23:41,835 --> 00:23:43,295
Alexei Sayle: blocks of No, no solution.

554
00:23:43,755 --> 00:23:44,595
No, you're seeing it.

555
00:23:44,715 --> 00:23:46,005
This is a different thing.

556
00:23:46,515 --> 00:23:47,895
You're seeing it in the wrong way.

557
00:23:48,105 --> 00:23:48,375
Am I?

558
00:23:48,465 --> 00:23:50,925
I think the protest party
was just, You were ready.

559
00:23:50,935 --> 00:23:53,055
So then, so you can attract
the right as well as left.

560
00:23:53,055 --> 00:23:58,815
If you are, if you are pissed off from a
right wing point of view, you can vote.

561
00:23:58,815 --> 00:24:02,985
But don't feel yourself represented
by the first, the electoral system.

562
00:24:02,985 --> 00:24:05,745
You can vote for the protest
party if you're left wing.

563
00:24:05,745 --> 00:24:07,665
And don't fear up you vote
for the protest party.

564
00:24:08,115 --> 00:24:13,575
We guarantee we will have no policies
apart from registering your vote.

565
00:24:13,580 --> 00:24:15,555
And I think that's an interesting idea.

566
00:24:16,365 --> 00:24:17,355
We will do nothing.

567
00:24:17,565 --> 00:24:18,195
We will do.

568
00:24:18,255 --> 00:24:19,185
That's will be our slogan.

569
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:20,295
We will do absolutely

570
00:24:20,295 --> 00:24:20,475
Talal Karkouti: nothing.

571
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,855
Is is the end game here?

572
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:26,550
The aim is to end up with a
government whose mandate is like

573
00:24:26,790 --> 00:24:30,270
5% of the population, and then
finally being able to stand up

574
00:24:30,275 --> 00:24:32,430
Alexei Sayle: and say, no, I dunno
what, you have no authority here.

575
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,440
This is a separate, this is a separate
idea from what we were talking

576
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,850
about before with Ro Chava and Aism.

577
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,340
Ignore that from the moment.

578
00:24:41,910 --> 00:24:46,350
This is just a kind of, um, a d idea.

579
00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:46,740
Yeah.

580
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:53,640
To insert, to kind of, um, a kind
of, uh, diarist kind of situation.

581
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,060
Well, if you wanna

582
00:24:54,060 --> 00:24:55,290
Talal Karkouti: go full dialogue, reality.

583
00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:56,400
Yeah.

584
00:24:56,430 --> 00:25:00,000
Then instead of not showing up to
Parliament, we put in our seats.

585
00:25:00,659 --> 00:25:02,610
Like mannequins or like kettles.

586
00:25:03,230 --> 00:25:03,990
Alexei Sayle: Oh, oh yeah.

587
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:04,590
Crash test.

588
00:25:04,590 --> 00:25:06,360
Dummy or or fridge and stuff like that.

589
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:07,020
Or wolf.

590
00:25:07,169 --> 00:25:07,620
Yeah.

591
00:25:07,620 --> 00:25:08,129
My cat.

592
00:25:08,129 --> 00:25:08,370
Just

593
00:25:08,375 --> 00:25:09,270
Talal Karkouti: random objects.

594
00:25:09,270 --> 00:25:09,450
Yeah.

595
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:11,310
In ran in the seats in parliament.

596
00:25:11,610 --> 00:25:12,120
That'd be good.

597
00:25:12,125 --> 00:25:12,480
Yeah.

598
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,840
So everyone around the world
watches pqs and they just see, see

599
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,070
like, Oh, there's a coffee grinder

600
00:25:17,070 --> 00:25:18,960
Alexei Sayle: sitting
in for coffee grinder.

601
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:19,409
Yeah.

602
00:25:19,409 --> 00:25:20,550
And yeah.

603
00:25:20,550 --> 00:25:21,090
Who's that?

604
00:25:21,090 --> 00:25:21,960
In the Winchester?

605
00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:22,230
All right.

606
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:24,090
No, I, I'm excited by this.

607
00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:24,480
All right.

608
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,290
So I've got, you know, maybe we're,
obviously it costs, it's only like,

609
00:25:28,350 --> 00:25:29,460
what's the, what's the deposit?

610
00:25:29,460 --> 00:25:30,840
It's like 500 queer or something.

611
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:31,590
I could afford that.

612
00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:34,080
Talal Karkouti: Cause we've seen
everything we've seen, like therea

613
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,290
may standing next to count bin face
when they're calling out the results.

614
00:25:37,290 --> 00:25:39,810
But we haven't seen a
standing next to a lamp shade.

615
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:41,129
Alexei Sayle: Um, no.

616
00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:41,659
Or,

617
00:25:42,629 --> 00:25:44,700
Talal Karkouti: or, you
know, some, some pope puree.

618
00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:47,310
Alexei Sayle: So this should be
specifically be called, it'd be

619
00:25:47,310 --> 00:25:48,780
called the protest party of it.

620
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,480
The, it would all be called abstain.

621
00:25:53,595 --> 00:25:55,245
But see what the listeners think.

622
00:25:55,455 --> 00:25:55,995
So this is a

623
00:25:55,995 --> 00:25:58,485
Talal Karkouti: pointless
exercise, but like in, in

624
00:25:59,054 --> 00:26:01,365
Alexei Sayle: intentionally changing
the direction of the conversation.

625
00:26:01,370 --> 00:26:05,235
It's, I think it's situ, you know, it,
I think it, it would, it would fit in

626
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,235
with the kind situation, um, Yeah, yeah.

627
00:26:08,504 --> 00:26:09,175
History.

628
00:26:09,445 --> 00:26:09,935
Yeah.

629
00:26:10,274 --> 00:26:13,514
At the government showing the
true fast of, of, of our yes.

630
00:26:14,085 --> 00:26:15,495
Of our fake democracy.

631
00:26:15,705 --> 00:26:18,705
Talal Karkouti: Until finally no one
takes it seriously and begs for an

632
00:26:18,705 --> 00:26:19,425
Alexei Sayle: alternative.

633
00:26:19,754 --> 00:26:20,355
Exactly.

634
00:26:20,355 --> 00:26:21,044
There you go.

635
00:26:22,215 --> 00:26:22,575
All right.

636
00:26:22,580 --> 00:26:27,735
So if anybody's interested, I will,
uh, I'll finance them to stand in.

637
00:26:27,885 --> 00:26:28,995
Talal Karkouti: You'll finance them?

638
00:26:29,264 --> 00:26:29,504
Yeah.

639
00:26:29,504 --> 00:26:29,774
Okay.

640
00:26:29,774 --> 00:26:33,915
This is our new asking for a friend, cuz
that's kind of fizzled out, to be honest.

641
00:26:34,395 --> 00:26:35,115
The emails.

642
00:26:35,565 --> 00:26:35,745
Yeah.

643
00:26:35,745 --> 00:26:37,335
We're gonna ask for candidates.

644
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,520
We should do this.

645
00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:42,020
Email him alex sell
podcast gmail dot see what

646
00:26:42,020 --> 00:26:42,100
Alexei Sayle: com.

647
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:43,110
See what you feel about this.

648
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:43,380
Yeah.

649
00:26:43,380 --> 00:26:44,820
Send us, Ill say anybody, anybody.

650
00:26:44,820 --> 00:26:45,060
Event.

651
00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:47,610
It's very, I think it's very
important that it's acumenical.

652
00:26:47,610 --> 00:26:49,800
So any, I think that's,
I'm the right word.

653
00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:55,740
Um, well, I think it has to mean that
it's, um, you know, has to be, have no

654
00:26:55,745 --> 00:26:58,410
con it has to be go from left to right.

655
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,580
Anybody, anybody can and should
vote for the protest party.

656
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:03,750
But what do we

657
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:05,850
Talal Karkouti: want them to
email in maybe like a profile?

658
00:27:05,910 --> 00:27:07,740
Alexei Sayle: Well, just whether they
think it's a good idea, you know,

659
00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:09,270
Whether they're prepared to stand.

660
00:27:09,810 --> 00:27:09,960
Yeah.

661
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:13,180
Whether they're prepared to found their
local branch or the protest party.

662
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:15,630
Uh, I don't know.

663
00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:15,870
It's,

664
00:27:15,870 --> 00:27:19,050
Talal Karkouti: uh, and if you
wanna stand in, um, we wanna know

665
00:27:19,050 --> 00:27:20,460
which constituency you wanna stand.

666
00:27:21,030 --> 00:27:21,360
Yeah.

667
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,850
Uh, the name you're gonna use, it
doesn't have to be your own name.

668
00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:23,910
Yeah.

669
00:27:24,420 --> 00:27:28,770
Um, and what physical random object
is gonna sit in your seat and party?

670
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:33,300
. Uh, and just a couple,
couple policies to go in the

671
00:27:33,305 --> 00:27:33,990
Alexei Sayle: manifesto.

672
00:27:34,260 --> 00:27:34,620
No, no.

673
00:27:34,620 --> 00:27:35,400
No policies.

674
00:27:35,405 --> 00:27:36,030
No policies.

675
00:27:36,030 --> 00:27:38,610
Now you're not getting, again,
there's got no policies at all.

676
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,460
We will have no policies on anything.

677
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:42,660
Okay.

678
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:44,220
Okay.

679
00:27:44,670 --> 00:27:44,910
Yeah.

680
00:27:44,910 --> 00:27:45,900
No policies.

681
00:27:46,590 --> 00:27:47,040
None.

682
00:27:47,310 --> 00:27:47,640
None.

683
00:27:47,850 --> 00:27:48,300
Talal Karkouti: Yeah.

684
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:51,090
This is the Antimon raving Looney party.

685
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:52,140
Yeah.

686
00:27:52,140 --> 00:27:52,470
I dunno.

687
00:27:52,550 --> 00:27:52,870
Yeah.

688
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:53,190
Alexei Sayle: Dunno

689
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:54,030
Talal Karkouti: the same but different.

690
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:54,840
Yeah.

691
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:57,600
Cause they have policies, but
their policies are nonsensical.

692
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:58,470
Right.

693
00:27:58,470 --> 00:28:00,510
Alexei Sayle: We're just by
people will have no policies.

694
00:28:00,510 --> 00:28:00,840
Yeah.

695
00:28:01,470 --> 00:28:02,879
We'll have no posts on anything.

696
00:28:04,110 --> 00:28:04,530
Okay.

697
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:05,520
All right.

698
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,350
That's an send us in your came out.

699
00:28:07,410 --> 00:28:07,770
Yeah.

700
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:07,980
Your

701
00:28:07,985 --> 00:28:09,570
Talal Karkouti:
applications then for that.

702
00:28:09,570 --> 00:28:09,960
Yeah.

703
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,700
To relax Excel Podcast

704
00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:13,060
Alexei Sayle: gmail dot.

705
00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:14,340
Talal Karkouti: Yeah.

706
00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:43,380
Um, I think the Rojava episode got
some really great feedback in terms

707
00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:45,840
of listener numbers, very average.

708
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,110
Like so, like we haven't,
it's not been a, a dud.

709
00:28:49,290 --> 00:28:52,590
It's the same listenership as
most of our other episodes.

710
00:28:52,590 --> 00:28:52,740
All right.

711
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,100
Alright.

712
00:28:53,370 --> 00:28:53,910
Okay.

713
00:28:53,910 --> 00:28:54,660
It's not beaten.

714
00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:55,230
Stuart Lee.

715
00:28:55,230 --> 00:28:57,450
Stuart Lee is the top of
the chart at the moment.

716
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:59,400
That's like ridiculous.

717
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,080
I dunno why he's so popular.

718
00:29:01,085 --> 00:29:03,780
And holi is didn't reach

719
00:29:03,785 --> 00:29:04,380
Alexei Sayle: those.

720
00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:06,780
That's Mountain listened to.

721
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,040
I think it's, yeah.

722
00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:10,260
So, Oh listen, the ship, isn't it really?

723
00:29:11,670 --> 00:29:16,185
Talal Karkouti: Um, Finally, I'm going to
see Stuart Lee tonight at The Less Square.

724
00:29:16,185 --> 00:29:16,635
Oh, tonight

725
00:29:16,635 --> 00:29:17,055
Alexei Sayle: is it?

726
00:29:17,175 --> 00:29:21,225
Yeah, it's this new, it's so it's like
a kind of work in progress, isn't it?

727
00:29:21,825 --> 00:29:22,425
I guess.

728
00:29:22,425 --> 00:29:23,925
Talal Karkouti: Yeah, Stu
Less Square Theater is kind

729
00:29:23,925 --> 00:29:25,245
of his residency, isn't it?

730
00:29:25,315 --> 00:29:27,975
But uh, yeah, the show's called basically.

731
00:29:28,605 --> 00:29:28,935
Yeah.

732
00:29:29,835 --> 00:29:30,555
Looking forward to that.

733
00:29:31,455 --> 00:29:33,195
Um, apparently he's injured.

734
00:29:33,195 --> 00:29:35,835
He's got a bad, he's broken his
ankle, so I wish him, Is he?

735
00:29:36,285 --> 00:29:38,085
Yeah, I wish him a quick recovery.

736
00:29:38,655 --> 00:29:43,395
Um, but yes, uh, so listenership
on Rojava and on Ugly Bridgeton

737
00:29:44,355 --> 00:29:45,465
were not disappointing.

738
00:29:45,975 --> 00:29:46,725
Okay, good.

739
00:29:46,725 --> 00:29:47,025
Okay.

740
00:29:47,115 --> 00:29:48,825
And do you wanna hear some emails about

741
00:29:48,825 --> 00:29:49,455
Alexei Sayle: Rojava?

742
00:29:49,635 --> 00:29:50,055
That's good.

743
00:29:50,685 --> 00:29:55,185
But so we're, we're we sort of
level, we have a level, level of

744
00:29:55,185 --> 00:29:56,475
listenership that doesn't go up.

745
00:29:56,475 --> 00:29:57,225
Doesn't go down,

746
00:29:57,225 --> 00:29:57,525
Talal Karkouti: really?

747
00:29:57,765 --> 00:30:00,375
Yeah, around the 15,000 mark.

748
00:30:01,005 --> 00:30:02,895
So please, actually,
things were on the point.

749
00:30:02,985 --> 00:30:07,455
Look, as we've mentioned so many times
on this show, yes, Alexia is a big,

750
00:30:07,455 --> 00:30:09,885
famous, rich Hollywood star, but.

751
00:30:10,290 --> 00:30:14,310
This show doesn't have
Universal Studios budget.

752
00:30:14,340 --> 00:30:15,810
This is a grassroots show.

753
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,830
We completely rely on the patron
funds to make this show happen.

754
00:30:20,370 --> 00:30:23,400
And on your word of mouth, we
don't have any marketing budget.

755
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,160
So like, if you like the
show, it's really helpful.

756
00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:28,950
I hate doing these call to
actions, so I'll make it quick.

757
00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:33,120
Whatever app you use to listen to
this show, leave a review on it

758
00:30:33,330 --> 00:30:36,990
and give it a five star rating and
write a few lines for a review.

759
00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:39,180
If you're watching on
YouTube, leave a comment.

760
00:30:39,810 --> 00:30:41,550
Um, and tell your friends about the show.

761
00:30:41,550 --> 00:30:42,840
Get them to listen to it too.

762
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:43,980
Get them to leave reviews.

763
00:30:44,190 --> 00:30:46,440
That shit really helps the algorithm.

764
00:30:46,445 --> 00:30:49,170
We don't get featured on
the Apple Podcast app.

765
00:30:49,650 --> 00:30:52,200
Like a lot of these, you know, bigger.

766
00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:56,160
Podcast like fucking James,
a caster and all that shit.

767
00:30:56,190 --> 00:30:57,690
They are on the front page of the app.

768
00:30:57,690 --> 00:31:00,240
You open the app and they shove
that shit down your throat.

769
00:31:00,750 --> 00:31:03,030
You gotta look for the Excel podcast to

770
00:31:03,035 --> 00:31:03,510
Alexei Sayle: listen to it.

771
00:31:03,510 --> 00:31:04,770
Bastard fuck bastards.

772
00:31:05,370 --> 00:31:05,520
We saw

773
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,420
Talal Karkouti: those fuck bastards.

774
00:31:06,420 --> 00:31:06,960
Exactly.

775
00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:07,410
Yeah.

776
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,630
So leave us a review, give us five stars,
write a few lines in the review and that.

777
00:31:13,170 --> 00:31:17,070
Really helps us in the algorithm
and hopefully gets us on

778
00:31:17,070 --> 00:31:18,330
the front page of the apps.

779
00:31:18,540 --> 00:31:21,180
And in terms of helping fund
the show, you know what to do.

780
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,730
If you really wanna help and you
have some spare change, go to

781
00:31:23,735 --> 00:31:30,470
the patron patriot.com/alex sale
podcast and drop us a dime, man.

782
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:31,650
Come on.

783
00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:36,180
Partner how he partner mos on
down to our patron and, and

784
00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:38,760
throw some pennies our way.

785
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,310
It really, really fucking
helps and, uh, yeah,

786
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:43,790
Alexei Sayle: means we could do better
show, better show about myself as well.

787
00:31:43,790 --> 00:31:44,730
And look at Alex.

788
00:31:44,735 --> 00:31:45,480
Talal Karkouti: He's so sad.

789
00:31:45,485 --> 00:31:46,920
I wish you could see his face right now.

790
00:31:47,550 --> 00:31:48,660
Alexei Sayle: Help him out, man.

791
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,230
Um, I'm sad and be happy
if you gave me some money.

792
00:31:52,290 --> 00:31:53,580
We should do a charity advert,

793
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,730
Talal Karkouti: but about
you not being able to pay me.

794
00:31:57,260 --> 00:31:57,750
Alexei Sayle: Yeah.

795
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:58,920
Make it all sad.

796
00:31:59,460 --> 00:31:59,850
Yes.

797
00:31:59,855 --> 00:32:01,290
Like whether there's poor Syrian.

798
00:32:01,380 --> 00:32:01,710
Yeah.

799
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:05,340
Tal Tal is forced to do
an unpopular podcast.

800
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:07,080
Please send money.

801
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,220
He's like Martin Bell

802
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,820
He doesn't know where
his next s coming from.

803
00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:15,030
That's

804
00:32:15,030 --> 00:32:15,870
Talal Karkouti: a great idea.

805
00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:20,580
Alexei Sayle: Um, series of, did
I say a new series of Sandwich

806
00:32:20,585 --> 00:32:23,700
Bar starts on October 20th?

807
00:32:23,705 --> 00:32:24,970
I think it is A Thursday.

808
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,210
Much excite.

809
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,370
Yeah, it is.

810
00:32:27,370 --> 00:32:31,530
It'll be the last one as we all record
trended at number one all day on Twitter.

811
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:34,500
So let's do that again for the new series.

812
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:35,700
I think it there is.

813
00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:38,490
I love to get your teeth in too.

814
00:32:38,610 --> 00:32:43,560
It's, uh, God bless radio for,
for letting me God bless them.

815
00:32:43,890 --> 00:32:44,490
Yeah.

816
00:32:45,510 --> 00:32:45,780
Talal Karkouti: Fan.

817
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,800
Um, I will put them in
my prayers this evening.

818
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:50,430
Alexei Sayle: Yes.

819
00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:52,810
And put it out there
and on the social media.

820
00:32:53,774 --> 00:32:56,085
Um, yes, it's, I really,
it's a series, I must say.

821
00:32:56,085 --> 00:32:57,284
I'm really pleased with it.

822
00:32:57,284 --> 00:32:59,055
I mean, it's taken me a long Joe.

823
00:32:59,145 --> 00:33:03,135
I was talking about producer before and he
thought I'd been writing it for 18 months.

824
00:33:03,135 --> 00:33:04,425
I actually can't remember.

825
00:33:05,235 --> 00:33:08,565
I mean, it's always with Sandwich Bar,
and I remember starting writing it.

826
00:33:09,135 --> 00:33:11,325
The scripts just appear one day.

827
00:33:12,075 --> 00:33:15,435
Um, and I don't where they've come
from really, but, uh, you thought,

828
00:33:15,435 --> 00:33:18,465
I've been, actually been writing it for
like 18 months or something to write

829
00:33:19,155 --> 00:33:21,735
two hours of, It's amazingly dense.

830
00:33:22,034 --> 00:33:22,575
Brilliant.

831
00:33:22,754 --> 00:33:25,305
Standup comedy is really hard.

832
00:33:25,695 --> 00:33:30,975
Well, especially when you're . Um,
and, uh, but these shows

833
00:33:30,975 --> 00:33:32,175
are, each one has a theme.

834
00:33:32,175 --> 00:33:35,385
Each one says something powerfully true.

835
00:33:35,385 --> 00:33:41,784
I think about the world we live
in today, and, uh, and it's, and,

836
00:33:41,790 --> 00:33:43,455
and some silly stuff as well.

837
00:33:44,395 --> 00:33:48,195
Uh, there is a Hamilton I'll just leaking.

838
00:33:48,225 --> 00:33:49,725
There is a Hamilton style.

839
00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:55,649
Hiphop musical Shut up
in called Jet Fuck Off.

840
00:33:55,710 --> 00:33:56,671
Are you kidding me?

841
00:33:56,730 --> 00:33:56,790
Yeah.

842
00:33:56,879 --> 00:33:57,909
No, no.

843
00:33:57,970 --> 00:34:03,510
Let me tell about, there's two minutes
of a Hamilton style , beautifully

844
00:34:03,510 --> 00:34:09,960
produced and written, uh, Hamilton style
hip hop musical, which is, I performed

845
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,529
it last night while if that one was, I
danced to it last night as well, which

846
00:34:13,529 --> 00:34:14,940
obviously you won't see on the radio.

847
00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:17,250
But, um, I did a beautiful
interpreter dance to it

848
00:34:17,250 --> 00:34:17,580
Talal Karkouti: last night.

849
00:34:17,730 --> 00:34:19,290
Oh, so that's in the last episode.

850
00:34:19,529 --> 00:34:20,880
Alexei Sayle: Uh, might
be in the first episode.

851
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,389
We don't, we, we don't,
we just, that is the main,

852
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:25,989
Talal Karkouti: So are you a Hamilton fan?

853
00:34:26,759 --> 00:34:27,540
I love, Not really.

854
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:28,139
No.

855
00:34:28,139 --> 00:34:28,860
Have you seen it?

856
00:34:28,864 --> 00:34:29,190
No.

857
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:29,710
No.

858
00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:31,739
So how do I like

859
00:34:31,739 --> 00:34:33,570
Alexei Sayle: to do shit
right, apparently of it?

860
00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:37,500
Well, cuz I've heard, you know,
you've heard some of the songs.

861
00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:38,670
I've heard some of it, yeah.

862
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,030
Okay.

863
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:41,400
I likely man, Well, Miranda, yeah,

864
00:34:42,210 --> 00:34:44,850
Talal Karkouti: if that, I was, I was
obsessed with Hamilton for a while

865
00:34:44,850 --> 00:34:46,800
and I did something called Taton.

866
00:34:46,830 --> 00:34:48,660
I might have mentioned
this on the show before.

867
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:52,020
I did a one man show version
of the whole of Hamilton.

868
00:34:52,050 --> 00:34:54,420
I've definitely talked
about this on show Taton.

869
00:34:54,420 --> 00:34:55,140
I'll be doing it again.

870
00:34:55,140 --> 00:34:56,460
I was raising money for charity.

871
00:34:56,460 --> 00:34:57,300
It was my common belief.

872
00:34:57,450 --> 00:34:57,510
Alexei Sayle: Yeah.

873
00:34:57,570 --> 00:34:57,990
Cool.

874
00:34:58,290 --> 00:35:02,100
Well this is, it's, it's written, it's
written and produced by Tim Soner, just

875
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,520
my music and it's um, it's fantastic.

876
00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:06,450
Oh my God's breathtaking.

877
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:07,590
Exciting too.

878
00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:09,420
Listen to, So that's in one episode.

879
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:11,010
Um, Oh, I'm very

880
00:35:11,010 --> 00:35:11,910
Talal Karkouti: proud of you, Lexi.

881
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:13,020
You've worked so hard.

882
00:35:13,350 --> 00:35:13,740
I've

883
00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:15,240
Alexei Sayle: worked unbelievably.

884
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:18,420
Talal Karkouti: It's a big part of why we
haven't recorded an episode in a while.

885
00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:25,080
Like you can me busy, you're 70 years
old, pumping out great shit like this

886
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,960
and people are saying, You're as fun
as funnier than you've ever been.

887
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,000
I am, I am.

888
00:35:29,005 --> 00:35:30,270
And congratulations.

889
00:35:30,270 --> 00:35:30,870
And I'm very

890
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:31,440
Alexei Sayle: proud of you.

891
00:35:32,265 --> 00:35:32,865
Thank you.

892
00:35:33,255 --> 00:35:34,425
I'm proud of myself.

893
00:35:34,755 --> 00:35:37,795
Um, I'm a fucking prodigy.

894
00:35:38,985 --> 00:35:40,245
I'm a fire starter.

895
00:35:40,665 --> 00:35:41,025
Yeah.

896
00:35:41,055 --> 00:35:41,925
Twisted crazy.

897
00:35:41,925 --> 00:35:43,475
Fire starter Firestar.

898
00:35:43,485 --> 00:35:47,775
Um, yeah, no, it's, um, you know, Yeah,
no, I'm, I'm an intensely proud of this

899
00:35:47,779 --> 00:35:51,435
series of, you know, it's, I say it's,
it's co it's been, the writing process

900
00:35:51,435 --> 00:35:59,595
has been gone on for a long time and
I've done, you know, um, multiple drafts

901
00:35:59,595 --> 00:36:02,205
and, um, you know, it takes a long time.

902
00:36:02,415 --> 00:36:05,715
The way that I do it is that I start,
you know, I start out with, with

903
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:09,715
some material that I've gotten some
ideas, and then the themes emerge.

904
00:36:10,305 --> 00:36:11,775
Um, gradually really.

905
00:36:12,255 --> 00:36:16,575
But the, um, there's
some killer opening's.

906
00:36:16,634 --> 00:36:17,925
Killer opening to what?

907
00:36:18,645 --> 00:36:19,215
At the moment?

908
00:36:19,245 --> 00:36:22,185
This show won, uh,

909
00:36:22,185 --> 00:36:23,865
Talal Karkouti: October 20th, BBC Radio

910
00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:24,045
Alexei Sayle: four.

911
00:36:24,645 --> 00:36:25,515
Radio four, Yeah.

912
00:36:25,515 --> 00:36:26,355
Six 30.

913
00:36:27,615 --> 00:36:28,695
Talal Karkouti: That's awesome, man.

914
00:36:28,725 --> 00:36:29,215
Yeah.

915
00:36:30,435 --> 00:36:31,725
You still got it, baby?

916
00:36:32,235 --> 00:36:32,715
I do.

917
00:36:32,715 --> 00:36:34,995
I still, I dunno what it is, but you've

918
00:36:34,995 --> 00:36:35,385
Alexei Sayle: got it.

919
00:36:35,835 --> 00:36:36,345
Yeah.

920
00:36:36,435 --> 00:36:37,095
For the moment.

921
00:36:37,125 --> 00:36:38,865
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

922
00:36:40,035 --> 00:36:40,575
. 
Talal Karkouti: All right, Alex.

923
00:36:40,845 --> 00:36:44,175
Uh, we keep getting distracted
by wonderful and amazing,

924
00:36:44,235 --> 00:36:46,215
uh, diversions, but, um,

925
00:36:46,605 --> 00:36:47,955
Alexei Sayle: let just Well,
that's one thing I was gonna say.

926
00:36:47,955 --> 00:36:48,885
You were talking about this.

927
00:36:49,185 --> 00:36:52,635
You, you always, when you watch a
movie, talk about the sound design.

928
00:36:52,995 --> 00:36:54,045
Now's your planer.

929
00:36:54,705 --> 00:36:57,555
You know Neil from the younger
ones, all he talks about is the wigs

930
00:36:58,845 --> 00:36:59,895
Talal Karkouti: when he watches films.

931
00:37:00,285 --> 00:37:00,585
Alexei Sayle: Yeah.

932
00:37:00,585 --> 00:37:01,935
All he sees is wigs.

933
00:37:03,465 --> 00:37:04,845
Good wigs or bad wigs.

934
00:37:05,265 --> 00:37:06,435
Talal Karkouti: Was Neil pair of wig?

935
00:37:06,975 --> 00:37:07,455
Yeah.

936
00:37:07,695 --> 00:37:08,865
Alexei Sayle: Oh, that
was a really good wig.

937
00:37:09,405 --> 00:37:10,125
It was a good week.

938
00:37:10,125 --> 00:37:10,515
Yeah.

939
00:37:10,815 --> 00:37:11,235
Yeah.

940
00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:12,825
Um, but yeah.

941
00:37:12,825 --> 00:37:16,515
So he still, you still, And did you have
some good, What's happening with that?

942
00:37:16,725 --> 00:37:21,045
We we're working our way towards
getting that, that episode we filmed

943
00:37:21,045 --> 00:37:22,995
with Nigel and Lisa where we watching

944
00:37:23,475 --> 00:37:24,035
Talal Karkouti: we're.

945
00:37:25,545 --> 00:37:25,785
Yeah.

946
00:37:26,565 --> 00:37:28,555
Um, so we.

947
00:37:29,805 --> 00:37:35,235
If you remember, we were asking people
to let us know, um, if they were

948
00:37:35,235 --> 00:37:39,944
up for kind of recreating episodes,
one and two of the young ones.

949
00:37:40,815 --> 00:37:47,384
And we had some really great, um,
responses and people like kind of

950
00:37:47,384 --> 00:37:52,965
willing to do it for us because
YouTube wasn't letting us use

951
00:37:53,025 --> 00:37:54,285
the footage from the young ones.

952
00:37:54,285 --> 00:38:01,785
So basically we shot you, Nigel, Lisa
shot a, a, a video of you reacting to

953
00:38:01,785 --> 00:38:03,194
the first two episodes of the young ones.

954
00:38:03,495 --> 00:38:07,225
I edited that up into some really
great footage and basically

955
00:38:07,305 --> 00:38:08,505
it's a screen and a screen.

956
00:38:08,505 --> 00:38:11,415
So we are watching the young ones
while you guys are watching the young

957
00:38:11,415 --> 00:38:14,865
ones, and you are reacting live to
what you're seeing on the screen.

958
00:38:15,795 --> 00:38:18,315
And then I tried to upload it
to YouTube and then YouTube

959
00:38:18,315 --> 00:38:20,715
said, Nope, copyright flagged.

960
00:38:21,075 --> 00:38:22,125
Don't post this.

961
00:38:22,245 --> 00:38:23,085
You'll be banned.

962
00:38:23,355 --> 00:38:23,924
Fuck off.

963
00:38:23,955 --> 00:38:24,884
You can't do this.

964
00:38:26,805 --> 00:38:31,424
BBC turns out very tight about who
can post clips of the young ones.

965
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:36,345
And I tried even putting up a minuscule
shot, like through two seconds of

966
00:38:36,345 --> 00:38:38,084
it and they were like, Nope, sorry.

967
00:38:38,115 --> 00:38:38,625
Banned.

968
00:38:38,774 --> 00:38:39,674
Can't do this.

969
00:38:39,944 --> 00:38:41,145
Copyright, fuck off.

970
00:38:43,935 --> 00:38:48,915
Then I basically did my work.

971
00:38:48,915 --> 00:38:50,865
I tried to get in touch
with people at vbc.

972
00:38:51,555 --> 00:38:55,185
Turns out they were making, uh,
there's a blueray coming out very soon.

973
00:38:55,245 --> 00:38:57,705
40th anniversary of the, the

974
00:38:57,709 --> 00:38:58,334
Alexei Sayle: anniversary this year.

975
00:38:58,339 --> 00:38:58,665
Yeah.

976
00:38:59,475 --> 00:39:04,694
Talal Karkouti: And, um, we, I
ended up somehow getting involved

977
00:39:04,694 --> 00:39:06,225
in that shit and helping them.

978
00:39:06,475 --> 00:39:10,245
Helping them wrangle you, Lisa,
Nigel, to come into a studio and

979
00:39:10,245 --> 00:39:11,595
record your own commentaries.

980
00:39:12,165 --> 00:39:12,254
Mm-hmm.

981
00:39:12,495 --> 00:39:15,464
, which is kind of counterintuitive
cause that's in direct competition

982
00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:17,504
for the shit we spent ages making.

983
00:39:17,995 --> 00:39:23,279
However, through all these talks and
stuff, I am on the precipice of getting

984
00:39:23,279 --> 00:39:28,379
the BBC to give our YouTube channel a
free pass on posting young one's footage.

985
00:39:28,919 --> 00:39:32,790
Once that is done, I can start
uploading the episodes we've done.

986
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:35,609
Then we can start doing more of them.

987
00:39:36,345 --> 00:39:40,245
So, I'm so sorry to have teased you
with this since probably like June,

988
00:39:40,245 --> 00:39:40,755
Alexei Sayle: May.

989
00:39:40,875 --> 00:39:42,134
Whenever was a long time.

990
00:39:42,134 --> 00:39:42,464
Yeah.

991
00:39:42,555 --> 00:39:43,665
Um, but

992
00:39:44,174 --> 00:39:45,464
Talal Karkouti: we haven't
stopped thinking about it.

993
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:46,275
We haven't stopped working.

994
00:39:46,279 --> 00:39:46,645
Alexei Sayle: Yeah.

995
00:39:46,645 --> 00:39:46,645
Yeah.

996
00:39:46,651 --> 00:39:47,484
We never stop.

997
00:39:47,535 --> 00:39:48,325
We never stop.

998
00:39:48,415 --> 00:39:49,165
We never stop.

999
00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:52,694
Stupid ideas that we talk about and you
think, Oh, they've forgotten about that.

1000
00:39:53,654 --> 00:39:57,585
Or the, every single one of them,
every stupid idea that we've ever

1001
00:39:57,585 --> 00:39:58,935
had, we're working on all of them.

1002
00:39:58,995 --> 00:40:02,895
Talal Karkouti: Yes, my hands have
been tied , but my hands are tied.

1003
00:40:02,895 --> 00:40:06,674
I'm tied to a chair, my hands behind my
back, but I had a, they didn't see that.

1004
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,205
I had a little sliver of glass up
my sleeve and I've been slowly, uh,

1005
00:40:11,234 --> 00:40:15,345
you know, soaring away at the rope
around my wrists and any second.

1006
00:40:15,345 --> 00:40:20,714
Now I'm gonna break free from these
binds and fucking upload this shit

1007
00:40:20,714 --> 00:40:22,395
onto YouTube for your viewing pleasure.

1008
00:40:22,444 --> 00:40:22,924
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1009
00:40:22,924 --> 00:40:26,654
And I want you and your friends, and your
parents and your cousins to all watch.

1010
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:28,649
Alexei Sayle: 40th anniversary.

1011
00:40:28,649 --> 00:40:29,879
40th anniversary.

1012
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,390
Talal Karkouti: Hopefully we can get
it out this year in the anniversary.

1013
00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:36,210
I think the anniversary is actually
November or something, right?

1014
00:40:36,330 --> 00:40:36,750
Is it?

1015
00:40:36,810 --> 00:40:37,230
I dunno.

1016
00:40:38,549 --> 00:40:38,970
Alexei Sayle: There you go.

1017
00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:39,810
Well maybe we can.

1018
00:40:39,810 --> 00:40:41,279
Yeah, that would be good.

1019
00:40:41,490 --> 00:40:42,240
But it is anyway.

1020
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,350
Alright, so that's just coming.

1021
00:40:43,350 --> 00:40:45,899
So now sorry, I you wrote
Java happened to go.

1022
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,480
Sorry, I keep diverting.

1023
00:40:48,690 --> 00:40:49,230
Oh look.

1024
00:40:49,350 --> 00:40:49,740
A squirrel.

1025
00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:50,980
Where?

1026
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,029
Talal Karkouti: I love
squirrels, . Um, okay, here we

1027
00:40:54,029 --> 00:40:54,180
Alexei Sayle: go.

1028
00:40:54,180 --> 00:40:58,109
I hate this t-shirt by the way that
I'm wearing in the little picture.

1029
00:40:58,109 --> 00:40:59,279
I look like a fat man

1030
00:41:00,450 --> 00:41:01,770
Talal Karkouti: black
as meant to be sliming.

1031
00:41:03,210 --> 00:41:05,970
Alexei Sayle: Uh, no, this, I just
look like a fat old bloke, don't I?

1032
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,569
Talal Karkouti: Maybe
that's just what you are.

1033
00:41:10,330 --> 00:41:10,819
Alexei Sayle: Yeah.

1034
00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:11,850
. Sorry.

1035
00:41:13,649 --> 00:41:14,730
Oh, harsh.

1036
00:41:14,819 --> 00:41:17,100
Talal Karkouti: Um, I think
you are just big bone deed.

1037
00:41:18,210 --> 00:41:19,799
Alexei Sayle: No, I, Anyway.

1038
00:41:20,879 --> 00:41:21,299
Talal Karkouti: You

1039
00:41:21,305 --> 00:41:21,779
Alexei Sayle: look fantastic.

1040
00:41:21,899 --> 00:41:22,540
Collection.

1041
00:41:22,690 --> 00:41:25,080
I do, I am full of, I'm very.

1042
00:41:26,625 --> 00:41:29,535
But I could do it losing
like, Me too buddy.

1043
00:41:29,595 --> 00:41:30,285
Me fucking too.

1044
00:41:31,845 --> 00:41:32,805
Anyway, go on.

1045
00:41:32,985 --> 00:41:34,125
Anyway, anyway, sorry.

1046
00:41:34,125 --> 00:41:35,625
Now, now we have an email

1047
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:36,765
Talal Karkouti: from New Zealand.

1048
00:41:38,055 --> 00:41:38,655
Okay.

1049
00:41:38,715 --> 00:41:40,095
Alexei Sayle: Have you
ever been to New Zealand?

1050
00:41:40,275 --> 00:41:41,955
Yes, you have.

1051
00:41:42,525 --> 00:41:44,055
I've been to, Yes, I did.

1052
00:41:44,115 --> 00:41:50,775
Um, yes, the first time was, uh, I dunno
whether to get into this now, but you

1053
00:41:50,775 --> 00:41:52,875
know, I've never done a commercial.

1054
00:41:53,235 --> 00:41:57,675
It's my proud boast that I've never
appeared in the commercial despite

1055
00:41:57,675 --> 00:42:03,975
being offered amaz amounts of money in
the, I've never, I've never appeared

1056
00:42:03,975 --> 00:42:08,805
in the commercial in the uk because
I thought, I thought, Oh, well I

1057
00:42:08,805 --> 00:42:14,535
might, I, um, well, I have, I've
done one commercial in New Zealand.

1058
00:42:14,565 --> 00:42:18,105
Cause my friend, my friend Glen,
who's dead now, he, he worked at an

1059
00:42:18,105 --> 00:42:19,665
advertised agency in New Zealand.

1060
00:42:20,985 --> 00:42:24,105
And there used to be a, a bicycle
company called Morrison's.

1061
00:42:24,215 --> 00:42:24,615
Mm-hmm.

1062
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:28,095
. And so I went out to New Zealand
for the first time and did an ad,

1063
00:42:28,575 --> 00:42:31,515
which I got a lot of money for.

1064
00:42:31,755 --> 00:42:32,325
Hello John.

1065
00:42:32,325 --> 00:42:40,050
Got a new Morrison's bicycle and then,
um, Uh, the company went bust, I think

1066
00:42:40,050 --> 00:42:43,170
cuz of, uh, but I, I felt very bad.

1067
00:42:43,350 --> 00:42:45,840
I, you know, cuz people, you know,
sometimes I'd pontificate about

1068
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,220
not doing commissions with pca.

1069
00:42:47,850 --> 00:42:48,930
Well I did, I did one.

1070
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,080
Cause it was that thing, you know,
where like Lawrence Olier who had

1071
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,560
this like really fancy reputation in
Britain, but in fact he, he advertised

1072
00:42:55,565 --> 00:42:57,900
like, yeah, whiskey in Japan and stuff.

1073
00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:00,360
And that's one of the, that's one
of the things about you never did

1074
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,900
any in Japan or China, like a lot
of No, that was the one time I did

1075
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:06,125
it was, um, You've done some voice.

1076
00:43:06,125 --> 00:43:09,005
Well, I was on the side
of a bus in, In Australia.

1077
00:43:09,005 --> 00:43:09,695
Australia.

1078
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:10,035
Yeah.

1079
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,315
Yeah, we talked about that, didn't we?

1080
00:43:11,315 --> 00:43:12,065
In the live show?

1081
00:43:12,065 --> 00:43:15,605
I was on the side of a bus that
was a photo campaign for something

1082
00:43:15,605 --> 00:43:17,495
or other, but apart from there.

1083
00:43:18,095 --> 00:43:19,355
And there was that, Cause I think

1084
00:43:19,685 --> 00:43:21,575
Talal Karkouti: Toshiba advert, which used

1085
00:43:21,575 --> 00:43:22,595
Alexei Sayle: your Yeah, but that wasn't

1086
00:43:22,595 --> 00:43:22,835
Talal Karkouti: me.

1087
00:43:22,865 --> 00:43:25,835
That was, they, They just bought the
rights to the song and then it was Right.

1088
00:43:26,155 --> 00:43:27,935
Alexei Sayle: That's signed by and jury.

1089
00:43:28,025 --> 00:43:30,665
The, and jury the rhythm scheme.

1090
00:43:30,695 --> 00:43:36,155
But I think it is, it's a, you know, I
was a hypocrite, um, to, to, to do it.

1091
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,685
But the only, the only, um, the
only excuse would be nobody saw it

1092
00:43:40,685 --> 00:43:41,855
really, apart from in New Zealand.

1093
00:43:42,425 --> 00:43:45,695
Uh, but I think if you appear
in an ad, there's an element.

1094
00:43:45,935 --> 00:43:49,355
I've, I've done a lot of voiceovers
cuz I think that's just work really.

1095
00:43:49,355 --> 00:43:53,015
But I think if you appear in ad
then you are endorsing the product.

1096
00:43:53,015 --> 00:43:54,455
You are selling yourself, really?

1097
00:43:54,475 --> 00:43:54,755
Yeah.

1098
00:43:55,085 --> 00:43:59,285
But I, um, um, so I did sell
myself, but only in New Zealand.

1099
00:44:00,075 --> 00:44:01,125
What are we talking about?

1100
00:44:01,245 --> 00:44:03,165
And then the next time I went
back to New Zealand was for

1101
00:44:03,165 --> 00:44:04,875
Glen's funeral, so, Oh shit.

1102
00:44:04,935 --> 00:44:05,415
I'm sorry.

1103
00:44:05,415 --> 00:44:05,805
Talal Karkouti: Yeah.

1104
00:44:06,195 --> 00:44:06,435
Yeah.

1105
00:44:06,465 --> 00:44:08,415
But it's, uh, I would
love to go to New Zealand.

1106
00:44:08,420 --> 00:44:09,975
Did you do all the New Zealand stuff?

1107
00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:12,285
Did you do like skydiving
and climb mountain?

1108
00:44:12,475 --> 00:44:16,725
No, no that, No drinking,
uh, white wine and No.

1109
00:44:17,865 --> 00:44:19,725
Go to the Hoit Hoon?

1110
00:44:20,625 --> 00:44:20,775
Alexei Sayle: No.

1111
00:44:20,775 --> 00:44:21,765
It was before all that.

1112
00:44:21,945 --> 00:44:22,395
Mm.

1113
00:44:24,015 --> 00:44:24,735
I did nothing.

1114
00:44:24,915 --> 00:44:25,485
Well,

1115
00:44:25,995 --> 00:44:27,435
Talal Karkouti: Haled emails us Oh yeah.

1116
00:44:27,495 --> 00:44:28,875
From, from New Zealand.

1117
00:44:29,385 --> 00:44:37,575
And he speaks a bit of, I'm guessing, ma,
in the email he says, Aroha from AOA to

1118
00:44:37,575 --> 00:44:37,935
Alexei Sayle: both of you.

1119
00:44:37,935 --> 00:44:38,115
Yes.

1120
00:44:38,115 --> 00:44:40,215
That's the mar word for New Zealand.

1121
00:44:41,115 --> 00:44:42,075
The land of long white

1122
00:44:42,075 --> 00:44:45,165
Talal Karkouti: cloud and
AOA sounds like aloha.

1123
00:44:45,615 --> 00:44:46,605
Which is the Hawaiian

1124
00:44:46,875 --> 00:44:48,375
Alexei Sayle: where they are
Polynesians, aren't they?

1125
00:44:48,375 --> 00:44:52,125
The mar Are Polynesians

1126
00:44:52,125 --> 00:44:53,685
Talal Karkouti: all like
distant cousins and stuff?

1127
00:44:54,045 --> 00:44:54,705
Alexei Sayle: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1128
00:44:54,765 --> 00:44:58,335
I mean, the mar I've only been
on the island of New Zealand, I

1129
00:44:58,335 --> 00:44:59,865
think for 600 years themselves.

1130
00:44:59,865 --> 00:45:00,045
Really?

1131
00:45:01,045 --> 00:45:06,355
Oh, I think, I don't know
if I'm wrong then I I,

1132
00:45:06,405 --> 00:45:08,775
Talal Karkouti: So what you're
saying, Lexi, is that Maori's

1133
00:45:08,775 --> 00:45:10,485
are colonizers themselves?

1134
00:45:10,515 --> 00:45:10,875
Alexei Sayle: Interesting.

1135
00:45:10,875 --> 00:45:12,285
Well, yeah, I think that's true.

1136
00:45:12,285 --> 00:45:16,665
I think they did colonize No, no judgment.

1137
00:45:16,725 --> 00:45:17,565
I'm just, you know.

1138
00:45:18,885 --> 00:45:22,755
Talal Karkouti: Um, So hell says
this is the first time writing in

1139
00:45:22,965 --> 00:45:26,445
because it takes that long for the
words to fly over from New Zealand.

1140
00:45:26,775 --> 00:45:27,375
Haha.

1141
00:45:28,095 --> 00:45:29,355
I'll make this as short as possible.

1142
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:35,445
My daughter, Aya, had an essay to complete
for her third year in law in Victoria Uni.

1143
00:45:36,615 --> 00:45:39,615
When she explained what it was
about, I pointed her to your

1144
00:45:39,615 --> 00:45:42,345
latest podcast, R for Rojava.

1145
00:45:43,605 --> 00:45:45,165
She's put in a whole section.

1146
00:45:45,525 --> 00:45:50,174
Of the essence of the discussion in
her essay, uh, which she can share once

1147
00:45:50,174 --> 00:45:52,005
it's been submitted if we're interested.

1148
00:45:52,245 --> 00:45:58,545
Um, she's also discovered that even
though she grew up as a socialist from our

1149
00:45:58,545 --> 00:46:03,165
podcast, from your podcast, Alex, sorry,
she has discovered that she's a Marxist.

1150
00:46:03,435 --> 00:46:07,904
How, how did that One of
her lectures lecture her?

1151
00:46:07,964 --> 00:46:11,444
One of her lecturers refers to
her as the resident Marxist, and

1152
00:46:11,444 --> 00:46:13,095
she tells me that I'm also one.

1153
00:46:13,305 --> 00:46:13,755
Thank you.

1154
00:46:13,755 --> 00:46:14,115
Thank you.

1155
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,855
And thank you, uh, love
you both ni Mihi Hall.

1156
00:46:20,055 --> 00:46:21,975
Um, that was some more
Kiwi at the end there.

1157
00:46:22,365 --> 00:46:26,865
Um, all So how about, how did she discern
from our podcast that she is a Marxist?

1158
00:46:26,895 --> 00:46:30,225
Cuz you often say that you used to
be a Marxist, but you're not anymore.

1159
00:46:30,255 --> 00:46:32,205
Alexei Sayle: No, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no,

1160
00:46:32,205 --> 00:46:32,745
Talal Karkouti: no, no.

1161
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:34,665
You were a communist,
but now you're a Marxist.

1162
00:46:34,755 --> 00:46:34,995
Excuse

1163
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:35,055
Alexei Sayle: me.

1164
00:46:35,055 --> 00:46:36,045
I was a communist.

1165
00:46:36,045 --> 00:46:36,404
Yeah.

1166
00:46:36,795 --> 00:46:37,845
Just to, Yeah.

1167
00:46:37,845 --> 00:46:43,225
So Marxism is the, Is the,
the sacred text, really.

1168
00:46:43,229 --> 00:46:47,145
And then all those people is,
you know, you could like say

1169
00:46:47,145 --> 00:46:48,765
the Bible is the sacred text.

1170
00:46:48,765 --> 00:46:54,435
And then some people are like, you know,
evangelicals that, you know, some people

1171
00:46:54,435 --> 00:47:00,404
are, you know, very easygoing Christians,
Protestants, some are Catholics, you Yeah.

1172
00:47:00,584 --> 00:47:02,174
A multiplicity of sex.

1173
00:47:02,174 --> 00:47:06,435
And so SEC's multiplicity of
interpretations of the sacred text.

1174
00:47:06,435 --> 00:47:10,334
But nevertheless, they all devolve from
this, this one book or set of book.

1175
00:47:10,334 --> 00:47:10,845
Yes.

1176
00:47:11,365 --> 00:47:13,754
And the same is true
of, of Marxism, really.

1177
00:47:13,754 --> 00:47:19,214
So you can, I am a, I am a,
a flavor of Marxism, Marxist.

1178
00:47:19,274 --> 00:47:23,654
I, I, and communism is a, is a,
is a Marxist sec, but it is one

1179
00:47:23,654 --> 00:47:25,154
that I would reject these days.

1180
00:47:25,214 --> 00:47:26,714
And is Trot schism or not?

1181
00:47:26,955 --> 00:47:27,345
Yes.

1182
00:47:27,345 --> 00:47:27,734
Yes.

1183
00:47:27,734 --> 00:47:28,365
Also Marx.

1184
00:47:28,395 --> 00:47:29,265
And then

1185
00:47:29,354 --> 00:47:30,404
Talal Karkouti: what else you've got

1186
00:47:30,765 --> 00:47:34,845
Alexei Sayle: like, Well, I think ev you
know, the left Labor Party, somebody like

1187
00:47:34,845 --> 00:47:39,674
Jamie Covin would, would have, would, uh,
would've read Marx and would, would, um,

1188
00:47:40,275 --> 00:47:42,255
Have, have absorbed some of his ideas.

1189
00:47:42,405 --> 00:47:44,895
Wouldn't necessarily call
him Marxist, I think.

1190
00:47:44,895 --> 00:47:50,535
But certainly, I mean, Umber who I
quote quite a lot in the, um, went

1191
00:47:50,535 --> 00:47:55,875
sandwich bar and, um, I, this sort
of the founder of social democracy,

1192
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,425
he saw himself as um, an interpreter
of the right of Marks for instance.

1193
00:48:01,425 --> 00:48:06,255
And that's somebody who I think, you
know, Profounded a kind of, uh, you

1194
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:11,325
know, it's very much the basis of a
lot of our, um, uh, you know, kind of

1195
00:48:12,315 --> 00:48:17,625
parliamentary democracy of the 20th
and 21st century that VA himself, I

1196
00:48:17,625 --> 00:48:21,375
think was a, was, was, uh, a Marxist
still was very influenced by Marks.

1197
00:48:21,375 --> 00:48:25,305
But, uh, you have to, I think,
um, you have to have read marks

1198
00:48:25,305 --> 00:48:26,895
to be a Marxist, to be honest.

1199
00:48:27,944 --> 00:48:31,444
Although I suppose a lot of Christians
haven't read the Bible, so haha.

1200
00:48:32,384 --> 00:48:32,924
Talal Karkouti: Well, yeah.

1201
00:48:32,924 --> 00:48:33,645
Imagine she

1202
00:48:33,645 --> 00:48:36,735
Alexei Sayle: may have, um, this,
Yeah, I think to have to call yourself

1203
00:48:36,735 --> 00:48:40,755
a Marxist, you have to have either
read the sacred text themselves or you

1204
00:48:40,755 --> 00:48:45,255
have had to read kind of commentary
on the sacred text, I suppose.

1205
00:48:45,259 --> 00:48:48,765
That you would, you would
and, and, and, and those

1206
00:48:48,765 --> 00:48:49,154
Talal Karkouti: what you would.

1207
00:48:49,154 --> 00:48:54,964
So how do you feel that, uh, our podcast
has been included in her third year essay?

1208
00:48:54,964 --> 00:48:54,966
I'm

1209
00:48:54,971 --> 00:48:55,785
Alexei Sayle: very pleased.

1210
00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:56,654
I'm thrilled.

1211
00:48:56,775 --> 00:48:58,185
I'm very, I'm thrilled.

1212
00:48:58,365 --> 00:48:58,665
Yes.

1213
00:48:58,665 --> 00:48:58,725
H

1214
00:48:59,025 --> 00:49:01,365
Talal Karkouti: please send us
the essay when it's available.

1215
00:49:01,424 --> 00:49:01,694
Mm-hmm.

1216
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:04,634
Actually, I'd be interested in reading,
especially the passage that we are

1217
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,205
mentioned in, and I hope we're cited
properly, properly and given credit,

1218
00:49:08,924 --> 00:49:11,384
Alexei Sayle: of course, it's quite
difficult being a Marxist as well,

1219
00:49:11,415 --> 00:49:13,305
cuz Marks himself changed his mind.

1220
00:49:14,415 --> 00:49:14,924
Yeah.

1221
00:49:14,924 --> 00:49:18,404
You know, the young marks and the old
marks, you know, Well, like B Walter in,

1222
00:49:18,404 --> 00:49:19,654
you know, one of the young marks, loved.

1223
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,980
You know, Pro Rock . Then the
elder Marks was much more into,

1224
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:27,900
um, rag time jazz, I dunno.

1225
00:49:28,110 --> 00:49:29,400
Wrote soundtracks for,

1226
00:49:29,790 --> 00:49:30,451
Talal Karkouti: um, Yeah, yeah.

1227
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:31,920
Tuhi, but adverts.

1228
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:32,580
Yep.

1229
00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:36,090
Um, oh man.

1230
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:36,450
Oh yeah.

1231
00:49:36,455 --> 00:49:39,870
Bunch of females about the bloody
labor files from the Al Jism last.

1232
00:49:39,875 --> 00:49:43,980
Since the last time we've recorded an
episode, so much shit has happened.

1233
00:49:44,370 --> 00:49:46,950
Trust became Prime
Minister, The Queen passed.

1234
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,879
Um, The labor files came out.

1235
00:49:50,970 --> 00:49:51,540
Yeah.

1236
00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:55,229
Alexei Sayle: You've recorded
roundly Ignored by the mainstream.

1237
00:49:55,229 --> 00:49:57,990
Isn't that a, an absolute unfuck?

1238
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:58,830
That's unbelievable.

1239
00:49:58,834 --> 00:49:58,979
That's, Yeah.

1240
00:49:58,979 --> 00:50:02,009
We should, we should maybe we'll
edit out all the other shit we

1241
00:50:02,009 --> 00:50:02,939
talked about and just, Yeah.

1242
00:50:03,089 --> 00:50:09,000
It's actually done by a, it's,
um, three episodes, uh, Made, Well

1243
00:50:09,004 --> 00:50:12,509
that's four, I think made by a guy
called Richard Sanders, who I had

1244
00:50:12,509 --> 00:50:16,529
some discussions with about making a
program, but it never came to fruition.

1245
00:50:16,529 --> 00:50:21,299
But it is absolutely, if it was about
some other party or, you know, it's

1246
00:50:21,305 --> 00:50:28,560
just explosive, the level of fucking,
um, Jiggery Pokery that went on in

1247
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,500
the Labor party to sabotage Corbin.

1248
00:50:31,530 --> 00:50:35,250
I mean, it's breathtaking if you, It's
on, it's online if you wanna watch.

1249
00:50:35,250 --> 00:50:36,270
It's all on the YouTube.

1250
00:50:36,540 --> 00:50:39,150
Talal Karkouti: It's just all
straight up uploaded onto YouTube.

1251
00:50:39,155 --> 00:50:43,980
Alexei Sayle: And it's had I'm reely
ignored by the fucking guardian

1252
00:50:43,980 --> 00:50:46,860
and the fucking, you know, media
because it tells a story that they

1253
00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:49,200
don't wanna, They were complicit in.

1254
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:49,710
Yeah.

1255
00:50:49,710 --> 00:50:53,640
And they don't wanna acknowledge really,
which was that, you know, that, that,

1256
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:58,140
that, that, you know, that, that,
um, you know, the, the accusations

1257
00:50:58,140 --> 00:51:03,960
of antisemitism in the labor more or
less entirely, uh, speech and false.

1258
00:51:04,050 --> 00:51:04,230
Yeah.

1259
00:51:04,290 --> 00:51:09,550
And it was entirely a plot to,
uh, you know, stop, uh, an, an

1260
00:51:09,555 --> 00:51:13,530
anti colonialist, uh, becoming
prime minister of this country.

1261
00:51:13,860 --> 00:51:15,150
And, you know, it worked.

1262
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:16,860
Talal Karkouti: And at
the same time, there was.

1263
00:51:18,375 --> 00:51:20,805
Abhorrent racism against
black and brown members in

1264
00:51:20,805 --> 00:51:21,315
Alexei Sayle: Labor Party.

1265
00:51:21,405 --> 00:51:21,845
Yeah.

1266
00:51:22,305 --> 00:51:27,225
Completely ignored by the me,
the bbc or being very selective

1267
00:51:27,230 --> 00:51:32,235
Talal Karkouti: of who can become members
language used against black mps and, and

1268
00:51:32,235 --> 00:51:36,765
Alexei Sayle: yeah, there is a fair
amount of stuff about this in Alex

1269
00:51:36,855 --> 00:51:40,545
says, Imagine you so by starting
on October, but funny with it.

1270
00:51:40,565 --> 00:51:41,245
Hilarious.

1271
00:51:41,445 --> 00:51:45,675
It's not just cuz that's, Imagine the
gig is to, it's, there's stuff about

1272
00:51:45,675 --> 00:51:50,925
the, or auto awfulness of the right wing,
the Labor party, but Don in a hilarious

1273
00:51:50,930 --> 00:51:54,075
fashion, which is why I, you know,

1274
00:51:54,315 --> 00:51:55,275
Talal Karkouti: So Yes, listener.

1275
00:51:55,305 --> 00:51:56,595
We have watched that show.

1276
00:51:56,595 --> 00:51:58,995
We're both appalled by its lack of

1277
00:51:58,995 --> 00:52:00,195
Alexei Sayle: representation, the why.

1278
00:52:00,255 --> 00:52:00,555
Oh, you too.

1279
00:52:00,555 --> 00:52:01,965
We could get Richard Sanders on.

1280
00:52:01,965 --> 00:52:04,635
I'll, I'll, uh, I'll, uh,
I'll get the guy who made it.

1281
00:52:04,635 --> 00:52:05,535
I'll get him on next.

1282
00:52:05,540 --> 00:52:06,015
Fuck you up.

1283
00:52:06,020 --> 00:52:06,765
Yes, please.

1284
00:52:06,795 --> 00:52:07,565
That'd be amazing.

1285
00:52:07,565 --> 00:52:07,805
Yeah.

1286
00:52:07,805 --> 00:52:08,055
All right.

1287
00:52:08,205 --> 00:52:08,805
Yeah.

1288
00:52:08,805 --> 00:52:08,865
Talal Karkouti: Yeah.

1289
00:52:10,125 --> 00:52:10,905
Yes, please.

1290
00:52:11,250 --> 00:52:12,600
Make a note of that, please, Alex.

1291
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:13,890
Alexei Sayle: All right.

1292
00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:15,330
Alex, make a note of that, please.

1293
00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:17,190
Tal . Okay.

1294
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:17,490
Wolf.

1295
00:52:17,850 --> 00:52:19,380
Tell Tal to make a note of that.

1296
00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:19,650
Alex.

1297
00:52:20,250 --> 00:52:20,580
Fuck.

1298
00:52:20,585 --> 00:52:20,850
Say

1299
00:52:20,850 --> 00:52:21,480
Talal Karkouti: what's his name?

1300
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:21,975
Richard

1301
00:52:21,975 --> 00:52:22,470
Alexei Sayle: Sanders.

1302
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,490
Richard Sanders.

1303
00:52:23,495 --> 00:52:23,730
Yeah.

1304
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:24,690
I'll email him.

1305
00:52:25,590 --> 00:52:28,050
Um, okay.

1306
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:28,830
Yeah, let's do that next.

1307
00:52:28,830 --> 00:52:31,020
I know we, we, we, we, it's a bit male.

1308
00:52:31,050 --> 00:52:34,980
We, we, we understand that there's been
all been a bit male, the guest Really?

1309
00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:35,970
And I'm sorry about that.

1310
00:52:36,310 --> 00:52:36,660
Mm.

1311
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:40,801
Um, I did try and get Maxine
Peak, but she's in Laia filming.

1312
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:45,660
I don't tell him all, but as soon as,
um, as soon as she gets back, we'll have

1313
00:52:45,660 --> 00:52:50,730
Talal Karkouti: a, um, this is
an email from Constantine and I

1314
00:52:50,730 --> 00:52:51,870
thought this one was interesting.

1315
00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:59,955
He's replying to the episode on Rojava,
but basically, um, He says, I'm not what

1316
00:52:59,955 --> 00:53:01,935
you may consider your core audience.

1317
00:53:02,235 --> 00:53:07,965
I'm as right wing as it as can be without
getting into populous territory, Uh,

1318
00:53:07,965 --> 00:53:11,775
mainly on economics, defense, and small
state, but very left wing on immigration,

1319
00:53:11,775 --> 00:53:13,605
abortion, gay issues, and culture.

1320
00:53:14,055 --> 00:53:18,435
Um, but let me say this, I may not let
you run the country on my behalf, but

1321
00:53:18,435 --> 00:53:23,565
I love listening to you and would share
food with you anytime your voice, your

1322
00:53:23,565 --> 00:53:28,035
tone and even some of your ideas have
been a source of great calmness and

1323
00:53:28,035 --> 00:53:30,345
very educational on so many levels.

1324
00:53:32,295 --> 00:53:36,495
Uh, back in, oh, by the way, back in
the late seventies, I used to throw

1325
00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:41,505
stones at the American Embassy in
Athens as a youth member of the kke.

1326
00:53:42,165 --> 00:53:46,155
Until one day I realized I was doing
it whilst wearing Levi jeans and

1327
00:53:46,155 --> 00:53:49,365
smoking Lucky strikes, both smuggled
out of the American base shop.

1328
00:53:50,325 --> 00:53:52,605
Um, so.

1329
00:53:53,205 --> 00:53:55,845
It's, and it kind of touched on
what you were saying earlier, how

1330
00:53:55,845 --> 00:53:58,545
the left and right are welcome
to vote for the protest party.

1331
00:53:58,545 --> 00:54:02,025
But yeah, we want this to be
a welcome and safe space for

1332
00:54:02,085 --> 00:54:03,165
any of your Yeah, and I think

1333
00:54:03,165 --> 00:54:06,555
Alexei Sayle: probably, um, I
certainly don't subscribe to the

1334
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,785
whole bucket of ideas you suppose
to have when, uh, you left wing.

1335
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:15,255
And again, actually one of the episodes
of Sandwich Bar is about that, about, you

1336
00:54:15,255 --> 00:54:18,915
know, with that bit, I mean, I've used
the podcast to some extent as a kind of

1337
00:54:18,915 --> 00:54:22,485
a, a testing ground, but you know, there's
that episode we did where I was gonna.

1338
00:54:23,595 --> 00:54:25,245
Corbin's, Minister for Defense.

1339
00:54:25,305 --> 00:54:25,665
Yes.

1340
00:54:26,355 --> 00:54:32,055
. And, um, so that, that is an episode
of, of Sandwich Bar, really, obviously.

1341
00:54:32,055 --> 00:54:32,625
Oh wow.

1342
00:54:33,825 --> 00:54:36,705
Greatly slimed down and,
um, and, and fronted up.

1343
00:54:36,885 --> 00:54:41,985
But, um, you know, it's about how I
don't, you know, I do, I do love military.

1344
00:54:42,015 --> 00:54:43,815
I am lefting, but I love Yeah.

1345
00:54:44,325 --> 00:54:49,815
Military, you know, and, uh, it's
important not to, I mean, that is

1346
00:54:49,815 --> 00:54:52,815
one of the failings of the left,
that there is this kind of package of

1347
00:54:52,815 --> 00:54:54,705
ideas that you have to have, you know?

1348
00:54:54,795 --> 00:54:55,275
Oh, mate.

1349
00:54:55,275 --> 00:54:55,725
Yeah.

1350
00:54:57,015 --> 00:54:57,945
And it's, it's wrong.

1351
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:58,605
So, yeah.

1352
00:54:58,605 --> 00:55:01,725
So Constantine, I, I, uh,
salute you, you slip up on

1353
00:55:02,145 --> 00:55:04,365
Talal Karkouti: one aspect.

1354
00:55:05,235 --> 00:55:06,765
And you are not left wing

1355
00:55:06,765 --> 00:55:07,155
Alexei Sayle: anymore.

1356
00:55:07,185 --> 00:55:07,395
You're not.

1357
00:55:07,425 --> 00:55:08,475
Oh, that's allow a bit.

1358
00:55:08,535 --> 00:55:09,015
Yeah.

1359
00:55:09,315 --> 00:55:10,665
That's in Sandwich Bar as well.

1360
00:55:10,665 --> 00:55:12,795
Yeah, it's um, it is crazy.

1361
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:13,845
So yeah, More emails.

1362
00:55:13,845 --> 00:55:14,325
More emails.

1363
00:55:14,355 --> 00:55:15,315
Talal Karkouti: Well, thanks Constantine.

1364
00:55:15,315 --> 00:55:17,865
And I was glad to hear a right
wing person saying they feel

1365
00:55:17,870 --> 00:55:19,455
educated by listening to this show.

1366
00:55:19,455 --> 00:55:19,515
Yeah.

1367
00:55:19,575 --> 00:55:22,905
Um, uh, Rojava, this is from Walt.

1368
00:55:24,195 --> 00:55:24,765
Well done.

1369
00:55:24,795 --> 00:55:26,835
This is the future for all of us.

1370
00:55:28,155 --> 00:55:31,515
Um, he recommends a book called
The Dawn of Everything and A New

1371
00:55:31,515 --> 00:55:33,705
History of Humanity by David Grayer.

1372
00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:37,275
And David Weingrow gives a great,
gives a great analysis from an

1373
00:55:37,275 --> 00:55:39,885
anthropologist and an archeologist.

1374
00:55:39,945 --> 00:55:41,175
Alexei Sayle: Somebody else
was talking about this.

1375
00:55:41,175 --> 00:55:43,635
Now he's a terrible loss
cause he died like last year.

1376
00:55:43,635 --> 00:55:44,325
David Grayer,

1377
00:55:44,435 --> 00:55:46,245
Talal Karkouti: I think grayer
died recently, but would

1378
00:55:46,245 --> 00:55:47,475
make an interesting guest.

1379
00:55:47,475 --> 00:55:47,775
Alexei Sayle: He says.

1380
00:55:48,105 --> 00:55:48,405
Oh, right.

1381
00:55:48,405 --> 00:55:49,095
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1382
00:55:49,095 --> 00:55:50,925
And certainly, I mean,
bullshit jobs and stuff.

1383
00:55:51,165 --> 00:55:54,195
David Grave is only somebody that I
came to in the last couple of years

1384
00:55:54,195 --> 00:55:58,395
and, um, I think he is a tragic
loss, cuz again, he is a very, he's

1385
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,045
a very original thinker I think.

1386
00:56:00,045 --> 00:56:01,365
And, um, yeah, Alright.

1387
00:56:01,365 --> 00:56:03,525
Maybe that guy then, but he's not a woman.

1388
00:56:04,125 --> 00:56:07,905
Talal Karkouti: Yes, we are trying
our best to get a woman in the

1389
00:56:07,905 --> 00:56:09,705
show, but women just don't like us.

1390
00:56:12,075 --> 00:56:13,575
, . I can't get one to speak to me.

1391
00:56:14,265 --> 00:56:16,245
Um, this is from Nate.

1392
00:56:16,305 --> 00:56:20,325
The last two episodes with Phil
Bevin and the Rojava episode were

1393
00:56:20,325 --> 00:56:25,425
really great with Con Ross, the
Rojava one, um, in the Bevin episode.

1394
00:56:25,695 --> 00:56:26,085
Oh, okay.

1395
00:56:26,085 --> 00:56:26,895
He's asking about Bevin.

1396
00:56:27,495 --> 00:56:32,445
Alex very briefly talked about
Trotsky and the crackdown on Crosta.

1397
00:56:32,905 --> 00:56:33,515
Mm-hmm.

1398
00:56:33,675 --> 00:56:37,305
, He said that was the end of
the emancipatory potential

1399
00:56:37,305 --> 00:56:38,685
of the Russian Revolution.

1400
00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:38,795
Mm.

1401
00:56:39,255 --> 00:56:39,915
Something like that.

1402
00:56:39,915 --> 00:56:43,095
But better put, um, he'd
love to hear more about that.

1403
00:56:43,755 --> 00:56:44,205
Yeah.

1404
00:56:44,355 --> 00:56:44,655
Thank you.

1405
00:56:44,655 --> 00:56:46,605
Nate, Any thoughts on that?

1406
00:56:47,535 --> 00:56:50,895
Alexei Sayle: Um, you know,
I, I am, as I often say, I am

1407
00:56:51,075 --> 00:56:53,085
surfing on the very edges of my.

1408
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,460
Knowledge when I talk about these things.

1409
00:56:56,460 --> 00:57:02,250
But my understanding is that in,
I think it was maybe so maybe two

1410
00:57:02,255 --> 00:57:03,810
or three years after revolution.

1411
00:57:03,810 --> 00:57:10,710
So in 19 20, 19 21, the, uh, this, the
garrison, the sailors of the Soviet

1412
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:16,350
Navy that bring the basic cro dead
rose up and demanded they could see

1413
00:57:16,350 --> 00:57:17,760
the way the revolution was going.

1414
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:24,570
That the kind of original kind of ideas of
freedom and um, uh, tolerance were already

1415
00:57:24,570 --> 00:57:28,950
being subsumed by, uh, the, the wicks.

1416
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:37,110
And they, they demanded a, um, a return
to the original ideals of the revolution.

1417
00:57:37,740 --> 00:57:43,440
And it was TKI as head of the red,
head of the red army that led a

1418
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,830
detachment across the ice and crushed.

1419
00:57:48,455 --> 00:57:48,975
I, Yeah.

1420
00:57:48,975 --> 00:57:50,355
Suppressed that uprising.

1421
00:57:50,355 --> 00:57:50,625
Really.

1422
00:57:51,045 --> 00:57:55,455
That's all I really know I should know
more about is, uh, but, uh, maybe so, but,

1423
00:57:55,455 --> 00:58:01,275
uh, it seemed to me that that sort of mark
my feeling is that that marked the kind

1424
00:58:01,275 --> 00:58:07,845
of the death of the, the idealist period
of the Soviet revolution and the start

1425
00:58:07,845 --> 00:58:15,944
of the dissent into authoritarianism,
which, you know, com cumulated to not

1426
00:58:15,944 --> 00:58:18,795
accumulate or whatever in, in, in Stalin.

1427
00:58:19,365 --> 00:58:22,545
But I might be, I dunno, inform me people,
I'm sure there's somebody out there

1428
00:58:22,545 --> 00:58:23,924
knows a lot more about this than I do.

1429
00:58:24,255 --> 00:58:27,045
Talal Karkouti: Um, and yes,
certainly more than I do as well.

1430
00:58:27,045 --> 00:58:29,535
I'll, I'll, I'll, When I'm
editing I'll listen more

1431
00:58:29,535 --> 00:58:30,705
carefully to what you just said.

1432
00:58:30,705 --> 00:58:33,845
I was, I was actually reading other
emails while you were talking to me.

1433
00:58:33,845 --> 00:58:35,685
Sorry, . No, Sure.

1434
00:58:35,685 --> 00:58:38,025
I have nothing to add, but I
hope that answered your question.

1435
00:58:38,025 --> 00:58:40,305
Nate, I'm gonna read
you one more question.

1436
00:58:40,634 --> 00:58:40,965
Okay.

1437
00:58:40,965 --> 00:58:41,895
Right, Yeah.

1438
00:58:41,895 --> 00:58:44,415
About the Queen's funeral and
accession of King Charles.

1439
00:58:44,775 --> 00:58:45,105
Yes.

1440
00:58:45,105 --> 00:58:45,315
The third.

1441
00:58:47,055 --> 00:58:50,055
Yes, he was, uh, this from Paul.

1442
00:58:50,085 --> 00:58:53,895
He was thinking, What are your feelings
about the protestors at the events around

1443
00:58:53,895 --> 00:58:59,655
the ceremonial PO surrounded surrounding
the royals is arresting and charging

1444
00:58:59,655 --> 00:59:04,275
protestors, holding blank pieces of paper
or expressing anti monarchy sentiments

1445
00:59:04,634 --> 00:59:06,315
the beginning of a fascist state?

1446
00:59:06,585 --> 00:59:10,245
Or have we already been one
since Johnson was Prime Minister?

1447
00:59:10,245 --> 00:59:10,875
Thank you, Paul.

1448
00:59:12,375 --> 00:59:16,965
Alexei Sayle: Well, several, I, I, I
mean, it's, again, there is something,

1449
00:59:17,025 --> 00:59:22,335
there is some of this in, um, in sandwich
bites about that idea that occasionally

1450
00:59:22,335 --> 00:59:25,485
it's usually centered around the
royals, although there is, there are,

1451
00:59:25,485 --> 00:59:30,195
or the figures occasionally that, where
there's a kind of collective madness,

1452
00:59:30,195 --> 00:59:32,115
which takes over for a week or two.

1453
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,615
Like I talk about the time when Diana
died and if you expressed opinions, anti

1454
00:59:36,945 --> 00:59:39,705
moist opinions in the week after Diana
died, you would've got your head kicked.

1455
00:59:40,755 --> 00:59:40,935
Yeah.

1456
00:59:40,935 --> 00:59:46,245
And then that, that, that, that, um, that
kind of mood goes away and things become.

1457
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:48,750
Things become easier.

1458
00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:53,430
There is, nevertheless, I think
that pretty Patel and now as Home

1459
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:59,610
Secretary Johnson, the dis iteration
of the conservatives are that they are

1460
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:05,340
definitely, um, they're not fascist,
but they are, they're getting there

1461
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:06,570
the right to, They're getting there.

1462
01:00:06,570 --> 01:00:06,810
Yeah.

1463
01:00:06,810 --> 01:00:12,840
The right to protest is being,
um, very much, uh, care tailed.

1464
01:00:12,930 --> 01:00:13,140
Mm-hmm.

1465
01:00:13,470 --> 01:00:16,440
. Uh, and also of course, they,
they, they, you know, there's

1466
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:22,770
the, they want to criminalize or
forbid councils boycott in Israel.

1467
01:00:22,860 --> 01:00:27,120
Uh, you know, the, they wanna make, I
think the, the, the, you know, the be

1468
01:00:27,180 --> 01:00:29,400
the whole boy divestment sanctions.

1469
01:00:29,730 --> 01:00:29,940
Yeah.

1470
01:00:29,940 --> 01:00:32,040
An entirely non-violent protest movement.

1471
01:00:32,045 --> 01:00:33,690
They wanna make that illegal, I think.

1472
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,840
Um, or very difficult to take part in.

1473
01:00:37,470 --> 01:00:38,600
Uh, they wanna.

1474
01:00:39,225 --> 01:00:42,345
Uh, protest, you know,
demonstrations much more difficult.

1475
01:00:42,645 --> 01:00:42,944
Yeah.

1476
01:00:43,035 --> 01:00:49,064
And it is, um, you know, it's a,
it's, and, and, um, That's scary.

1477
01:00:49,095 --> 01:00:49,185
Talal Karkouti: Yeah.

1478
01:00:49,185 --> 01:00:52,064
We can't let them get away with
that shit if they tell you not to

1479
01:00:52,064 --> 01:00:54,165
protest, we have to protest more.

1480
01:00:54,734 --> 01:00:57,375
Cause that is a fundamental,
basic human right.

1481
01:00:57,375 --> 01:00:58,484
And it's just, Yeah.

1482
01:00:58,935 --> 01:01:02,504
Um, it's, it's fucking terrifying
to even think that they

1483
01:01:02,504 --> 01:01:04,004
might make that law, because

1484
01:01:04,004 --> 01:01:05,185
Alexei Sayle: that's just a sense.

1485
01:01:05,185 --> 01:01:08,625
I mean, I do remember like during the
minor strike that there was roadblocks.

1486
01:01:08,629 --> 01:01:11,625
I can remember getting, you know, doing
benefits to the minors and being stopped

1487
01:01:11,625 --> 01:01:13,274
at roadblocks by the police and stuff.

1488
01:01:13,279 --> 01:01:18,524
So it's not, in a sense, it's not,
you know, it's not new, but it's,

1489
01:01:18,529 --> 01:01:21,915
it's an ongoing pr you know, the,
and I'm, I'm sure Stama would do

1490
01:01:21,915 --> 01:01:27,345
absolutely nothing to make that
situation easier to reverse any of that.

1491
01:01:27,345 --> 01:01:33,944
But yeah, I think we are, we are
living in, in, you know, the, the,

1492
01:01:33,944 --> 01:01:41,055
um, The, particularly this, this
iteration of the Toys is, is, and

1493
01:01:41,055 --> 01:01:45,585
the Johnson iteration was, you know,
politically extremely right wing and

1494
01:01:45,585 --> 01:01:49,545
authoritarian and you know, that's
the direction of travel at the moment.

1495
01:01:49,545 --> 01:01:49,935
I think

1496
01:01:50,655 --> 01:01:51,825
Talal Karkouti: to many laws.

1497
01:01:51,825 --> 01:01:54,585
You know, what we need, Let's
say we need this country to be

1498
01:01:54,585 --> 01:01:56,835
a bit more like the Wild West

1499
01:01:58,455 --> 01:01:59,925
. 
Alexei Sayle: Less laws more freedom.

1500
01:02:01,155 --> 01:02:01,695
Yeah.

1501
01:02:01,695 --> 01:02:03,435
Did you ever see the series Deadwood?

1502
01:02:03,435 --> 01:02:04,245
Did you watch that?

1503
01:02:04,515 --> 01:02:05,555
That's one of the greatest TVs.

1504
01:02:05,555 --> 01:02:06,675
I didn't, I I've

1505
01:02:06,675 --> 01:02:07,515
Talal Karkouti: heard I
was one of the greatest.

1506
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:07,905
Really?

1507
01:02:07,905 --> 01:02:08,865
Alexei Sayle: Should watch it.

1508
01:02:08,925 --> 01:02:09,285
Yeah.

1509
01:02:09,290 --> 01:02:10,125
People should watch it.

1510
01:02:10,125 --> 01:02:12,345
It's one of the greatest
TV series all time with

1511
01:02:12,665 --> 01:02:13,155
Talal Karkouti: Burn.

1512
01:02:13,305 --> 01:02:13,995
Um,

1513
01:02:14,595 --> 01:02:21,475
Alexei Sayle: it's, uh, it's uh, Timothy
Han uh, and um, something Burn, Burn.

1514
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:22,065
I can't remember.

1515
01:02:22,070 --> 01:02:23,325
It's um, it's Love Joy.

1516
01:02:23,325 --> 01:02:24,475
What's his Iam McChain.

1517
01:02:24,565 --> 01:02:25,555
Oh, Iam McChain.

1518
01:02:25,555 --> 01:02:25,835
Yeah.

1519
01:02:25,835 --> 01:02:28,545
Not it's the, it's kind of, if
there's any central casual, a lot

1520
01:02:28,550 --> 01:02:30,195
of great women's parts as well.

1521
01:02:30,795 --> 01:02:34,755
Um, 10 grand for a cards he love Joy.

1522
01:02:34,755 --> 01:02:35,115
10 grand.

1523
01:02:35,175 --> 01:02:36,465
20 grand for a cards.

1524
01:02:36,465 --> 01:02:37,515
He love joy.

1525
01:02:38,475 --> 01:02:38,685
Yeah.

1526
01:02:38,685 --> 01:02:39,165
Mama mate.

1527
01:02:39,495 --> 01:02:41,775
You saying, seems

1528
01:02:41,775 --> 01:02:43,845
Talal Karkouti: like we've
gone long enough on this

1529
01:02:43,845 --> 01:02:44,895
Alexei Sayle: here podcast.

1530
01:02:44,895 --> 01:02:45,285
The looks.

1531
01:02:45,285 --> 01:02:46,005
I think so.

1532
01:02:46,005 --> 01:02:47,565
I hope this is right for people.

1533
01:02:47,565 --> 01:02:51,705
Let us know if this is straight,
too far outside the norms of

1534
01:02:52,455 --> 01:02:53,505
Talal Karkouti: decent broadcasting.

1535
01:02:53,505 --> 01:02:56,505
Promise them from the
beginning this would be a.

1536
01:02:57,330 --> 01:02:58,350
Was it Mozilo?

1537
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:59,580
Pin cattle rope in?

1538
01:03:00,090 --> 01:03:00,580
Alexei Sayle: Yeah.

1539
01:03:00,770 --> 01:03:01,500
Yeah, Yeah.

1540
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:03,540
And it's, it has turned
out to be that way.

1541
01:03:03,540 --> 01:03:04,380
So really lid.

1542
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:05,670
I think that's all.

1543
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,290
You know, you're out on your run.

1544
01:03:07,295 --> 01:03:08,220
You walk in the dog.

1545
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:08,760
Oh,

1546
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:09,630
Talal Karkouti: I've had a grand time.

1547
01:03:10,590 --> 01:03:11,010
Alexei Sayle: Yeah.

1548
01:03:11,070 --> 01:03:13,140
That's quite a good, It's a good accent.

1549
01:03:13,140 --> 01:03:13,980
Got cattle to

1550
01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:15,210
Talal Karkouti: 10 too, sir.

1551
01:03:15,330 --> 01:03:21,990
So gonna leave you to finish your whiskey
on your own, . See you at the next

1552
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:22,290
Alexei Sayle: dawn.

1553
01:03:22,980 --> 01:03:25,470
All right, adios partner.

1554
01:03:26,670 --> 01:03:27,540
Talal Karkouti: I'll see you soon.

1555
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:31,920
Yeah.

1556
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:32,850
Clumping away.

1557
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:34,780
Back to the rock club.

1558
01:03:38,470 --> 01:03:39,029
Alexei Sayle: Sugar.

1559
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:47,230
Sugar, easy, open, careful

1560
01:03:51,710 --> 01:03:54,070
along the, the.

1561
01:04:01,660 --> 01:04:06,320
Got a Hello John Got a
new, I've got a brand new

1562
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:07,280
Talal Karkouti: Morrison, a

1563
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,240
Alexei Sayle: brand new 12
speed Morrison is my brand.

1564
01:04:11,130 --> 01:04:16,800
My brand new Terrific for baby
traffic is terrific for me in traffic.

1565
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:18,000
John.

1566
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:18,680
Got you.

1567
01:04:18,930 --> 01:04:20,400
Ah, how John got

1568
01:04:36,340 --> 01:04:42,720
got really breezy cause I'm
riding in pretty and easy bmw.

1569
01:04:42,770 --> 01:04:43,840
That's a nice name.

1570
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,240
Lan Rabbit Alpha.

1571
01:04:48,830 --> 01:04:50,320
That is a nice name.

1572
01:04:50,570 --> 01:04:51,140
Morrison.

1573
01:04:51,145 --> 01:04:52,670
I Santa that.

1574
01:04:52,910 --> 01:04:54,860
What rhyme, What style?

1575
01:04:55,220 --> 01:04:55,970
What magic?

1576
01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:56,390
What?

1577
01:04:56,395 --> 01:04:58,150
Sheer poetic imagery.

1578
01:05:00,660 --> 01:05:05,810
Joe got an give you an her airline
pilot or you an her airline pilot

1579
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:09,680
Talal Karkouti: flying on left motion

1580
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:10,010
Alexei Sayle: 12.

1581
01:05:10,350 --> 01:05:12,240
Your radiator is boiling.

1582
01:05:12,350 --> 01:05:14,240
Your radiator has boiled.

1583
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,360
It'll cost fortune to fix it.

1584
01:05:16,450 --> 01:05:17,560
It cost fortune.

1585
01:05:18,090 --> 01:05:18,440
It

1586
01:05:23,300 --> 01:05:23,720
ang.

1587
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:27,840
That's a nice name, but
not as nice as Morrison.

1588
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,020
Car coffee.

1589
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,380
Lot of cheer that be nice.

1590
01:05:34,380 --> 01:05:34,779
Thanks.

1591
01:05:47,460 --> 01:05:48,020
Don't

1592
01:05:48,020 --> 01:05:48,100
Talal Karkouti: you.

1593
01:05:48,140 --> 01:05:48,500
You can.

1594
01:05:49,310 --> 01:05:49,819
It will

1595
01:05:49,819 --> 01:05:50,910
Alexei Sayle: help you get a boom.

1596
01:05:50,910 --> 01:05:52,740
Voice is their laughing.

1597
01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:59,460
Cars is their laughing cars is their
life of buses is their love of buses.

1598
01:06:00,290 --> 01:06:01,220
I love music.

1599
01:06:02,215 --> 01:06:05,355
Got any di Very low.

1600
01:06:06,705 --> 01:06:08,995
I do always, when I hear Barry

1601
01:06:14,654 --> 01:06:16,795
got, I've got

1602
01:06:20,375 --> 01:06:20,795
all.