1 00:00:07,780 --> 00:00:10,640 KATE MARTIN: Hello and welcome to the National Trust podcast. 2 00:00:10,710 --> 00:00:14,199 I'm Kate Martin lead Ranger for Formby in Central Lancashire. 3 00:00:14,220 --> 00:00:16,989 And once again, I'm leaving the familiar surrounds of the 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,290 northwest and heading down South. 5 00:00:19,290 --> 00:00:22,000 This time, I'm in Hampshire where I'll be exploring an 6 00:00:22,010 --> 00:00:25,200 unassuming patch of woods and short grassland that's full of 7 00:00:25,209 --> 00:00:26,459 wildlife and history. 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,229 But it's after dark when this place really comes to life with 9 00:00:30,239 --> 00:00:33,520 nocturnal activity that could make the unsuspecting evening 10 00:00:33,529 --> 00:00:34,560 rambler blush. 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,209 I've just left the Cathedral City Of Winchester, which could 12 00:00:46,220 --> 00:00:49,279 be considered the gateway to the South Downs National Park. 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,689 Now, it covers 628 square miles and with its rolling hills, 14 00:00:54,700 --> 00:00:58,520 glorious heathland and long distance walking paths. The 15 00:00:58,529 --> 00:01:03,110 South downs is a paradise for amblers, ramblers and walkers 16 00:01:03,119 --> 00:01:03,709 alike. 17 00:01:05,389 --> 00:01:09,139 But that's all to the east of Winchester... So why am I 18 00:01:09,150 --> 00:01:12,620 heading west to a tiny triangular patch of land that's 19 00:01:12,629 --> 00:01:14,800 sandwiched between two busy roads. 20 00:01:15,470 --> 00:01:19,580 Well, I'll be meeting area ranger Cat Hadler who tells me 21 00:01:19,589 --> 00:01:23,440 that if I keep an open mind, this local nature spot may offer 22 00:01:23,449 --> 00:01:25,330 me an unexpected experience. 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:37,480 And here we are, we've just arrived. 24 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,699 Right then, busy road. Wonder why I've been brought to what 25 00:01:41,709 --> 00:01:44,470 sounds like the M6. Let's go and have a look and see what this 26 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:45,309 sign says. 27 00:01:48,809 --> 00:01:53,449 So according to this sign, I'm in the lower car park of a place 28 00:01:53,459 --> 00:01:55,505 called Stockbridge Down. 29 00:01:55,505 --> 00:01:58,169 Cat's asked me to meet her at the Down's highest point. 30 00:01:58,739 --> 00:02:01,220 There's a path right ahead of me going through the woods. So I'm 31 00:02:01,230 --> 00:02:03,699 assuming we just go through there and keep on going till we 32 00:02:03,709 --> 00:02:04,230 meet Cat! 33 00:02:09,018 --> 00:02:12,468 Just looking, I can hear the chirr-up of grasshoppers. 34 00:02:13,220 --> 00:02:16,559 And it's funny, I'm only about minutes walk away from the car 35 00:02:16,570 --> 00:02:20,460 park and I can't hear the traffic at all. It's amazing 36 00:02:20,470 --> 00:02:23,970 actually how nature can do that can just sort of take you away 37 00:02:23,979 --> 00:02:26,360 from one place to another in almost an instant. 38 00:02:28,559 --> 00:02:29,440 Oh, wow! 39 00:02:30,669 --> 00:02:34,070 And I just walking out into a lovely little woodland glade, 40 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:40,169 beautiful, surrounded by a mixture of Blackthorn and Hazel 41 00:02:40,630 --> 00:02:44,229 creeping up through. You can see the colour of the rocks below 42 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,139 and of course, the bright white here because we're on chalk. 43 00:02:56,089 --> 00:03:00,080 I see someone standing in front of me and I'm hoping that this 44 00:03:00,089 --> 00:03:00,669 is Cat? 45 00:03:00,679 --> 00:03:01,845 Hello, Cat! 46 00:03:01,845 --> 00:03:02,297 CAT HADLER: Hiya! 47 00:03:02,297 --> 00:03:05,850 KATE MARTIN: It's a hell of a slog up here, but what a view! 48 00:03:06,020 --> 00:03:06,699 CAT HADLER: Yeah, it's worth it. 49 00:03:06,710 --> 00:03:06,972 KATE MARTIN: It is worth it! 50 00:03:06,972 --> 00:03:11,320 CAT HADLER: It's pretty much 360 when you're right on the top. So 51 00:03:11,330 --> 00:03:14,100 in times gone past, this would have been of huge significance, 52 00:03:14,110 --> 00:03:15,809 this area as a go between. 53 00:03:15,820 --> 00:03:18,850 You've got the ancient capital of Wessex over in Winchester, 54 00:03:18,860 --> 00:03:22,630 you've got the cathedral city of Salisbury and with the River 55 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,869 Test lying between them down in the valley, this is the highest 56 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:26,309 point. 57 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,869 So they probably would have used this to cross over and head 58 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,350 between the two ancient cities on pilgrimage, trade routes, all 59 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,259 sorts of things. 60 00:03:33,529 --> 00:03:35,919 KATE MARTIN: Standing on top of this series of hummocks, which 61 00:03:35,929 --> 00:03:38,789 essentially is just a steep bank with a ditch in between. 62 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,080 So you've got sort of- the one we're standing on here is really 63 00:03:41,089 --> 00:03:44,740 quite steep. And this is very, very typical of a iron age hill 64 00:03:44,750 --> 00:03:45,080 fort. 65 00:03:45,130 --> 00:03:48,110 CAT HADLER: The steepest ramp is kind of the main hill fort and 66 00:03:48,119 --> 00:03:50,440 on top of it would be the encampment and then you go down 67 00:03:50,449 --> 00:03:51,229 into the moat. 68 00:03:51,470 --> 00:03:53,889 KATE MARTIN: So Cat, how old do we think this hill fort is? 69 00:03:54,070 --> 00:03:57,210 CAT HADLER: Well, it's iron age. So it's about 1000 years BC. 70 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,720 RYAN LAVELLE: So if we're thinking about a hill fort in 71 00:04:01,729 --> 00:04:05,339 the iron age, we wouldn't be thinking about like a medieval 72 00:04:05,350 --> 00:04:09,130 walled city like York with stone walls. 73 00:04:09,179 --> 00:04:12,460 What we're talking about is the use of the hill and the moving 74 00:04:12,470 --> 00:04:16,829 of the earth sometimes to build extra ditches as we have at 75 00:04:17,059 --> 00:04:17,779 Woolbury Ring. 76 00:04:17,790 --> 00:04:21,540 Also to build up a, a kind of escarpment at the top. 77 00:04:22,339 --> 00:04:25,230 I'm Ryan Lavelle and I'm professor of early medieval 78 00:04:25,239 --> 00:04:27,609 history at Winchester University. 79 00:04:31,250 --> 00:04:35,549 The advantages of being in such an elevated position would be to 80 00:04:35,559 --> 00:04:42,500 be able to see the countryside around, to show ownership of the 81 00:04:42,510 --> 00:04:46,170 countryside around, to show some sense of control of that 82 00:04:46,179 --> 00:04:47,070 landscape. 83 00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:52,980 These were farming communities, places where extended families 84 00:04:52,989 --> 00:04:56,230 might live and where their animals might be kept and where 85 00:04:56,239 --> 00:04:59,779 food could be gathered and protected as well. 86 00:05:00,510 --> 00:05:04,720 It's a place that may provide some refuge, some protection and 87 00:05:04,730 --> 00:05:06,190 some status. 88 00:05:13,059 --> 00:05:15,720 KATE MARTIN: Walking on top of the bank here. Obviously, the 89 00:05:15,730 --> 00:05:17,959 path beneath us is very chalky. 90 00:05:18,029 --> 00:05:20,380 CAT HADLER: It can look quite unremarkable to the untrained 91 00:05:20,390 --> 00:05:22,799 eye because it could be a lot bleaker, especially in autumn 92 00:05:22,809 --> 00:05:23,279 and winter. 93 00:05:23,290 --> 00:05:26,500 It's- the grassland is much shorter. It's a lot more open. 94 00:05:26,510 --> 00:05:27,420 There's less shelter. 95 00:05:27,429 --> 00:05:29,410 KATE MARTIN: Is this what you brought me here to see? 96 00:05:29,470 --> 00:05:32,230 CAT HADLER: There's more interesting stuff going on below 97 00:05:32,239 --> 00:05:34,940 the surface! So I thought you're here to see things that lie 98 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:35,519 beneath. 99 00:05:35,859 --> 00:05:37,640 KATE MARTIN: Oh, I'm intrigued! 100 00:05:38,290 --> 00:05:40,799 So, come on, tell me the story. What is it that's here? 101 00:05:41,660 --> 00:05:45,040 CAT HADLER: So, about five or six years ago, this little tiny 102 00:05:45,470 --> 00:05:49,500 black segmented thing wobbled across the path in front of me 103 00:05:49,510 --> 00:05:51,859 and it looked a little bit like a ladybird larvae. 104 00:05:51,869 --> 00:05:55,970 So it's like a kind of extended wood louse in segments but 105 00:05:55,980 --> 00:05:59,369 thinner and blacker and with little orange markings. And then 106 00:05:59,380 --> 00:06:02,540 I went away and looked it up and in the end I found it was a 107 00:06:02,549 --> 00:06:03,450 Glow-Worm larvae. 108 00:06:03,459 --> 00:06:05,019 KATE MARTIN: Glow-Worms! That's pretty fascinating. I didn't 109 00:06:05,019 --> 00:06:06,690 think we had Glow-Worms in the UK?! 110 00:06:07,070 --> 00:06:08,850 CAT HADLER: Yeah, I think a lot of people confuse them with 111 00:06:08,859 --> 00:06:12,890 Fireflies, which we don't have in the UK. But Glow-Worms we do 112 00:06:12,899 --> 00:06:16,420 very much have. So both fireflies and Glow-Worms are 113 00:06:16,429 --> 00:06:19,290 creatures that use bioluminescence to communicate 114 00:06:19,299 --> 00:06:20,269 and attract each other. 115 00:06:20,390 --> 00:06:23,579 But fireflies will do it flying around. Whereas Glow-Worms will 116 00:06:23,589 --> 00:06:25,720 only do it on the ground or they'll climb up a bit of 117 00:06:25,730 --> 00:06:29,029 vegetation and basically waggle their green bums from there and 118 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,309 then they'll glow better on moonless nights. 119 00:06:32,350 --> 00:06:34,450 Tonight is a new moon, which is why I've brought you here 120 00:06:34,459 --> 00:06:36,459 because we're doing our second survey of the year that we'd 121 00:06:36,470 --> 00:06:37,470 like you to join in on. 122 00:06:38,350 --> 00:06:40,369 Looking at my watch- It's about 8:30pm now. 123 00:06:40,380 --> 00:06:43,200 Volunteers are due on site about 10pm. So if we just walk across 124 00:06:43,209 --> 00:06:45,380 to the car park and we'll start setting up! 125 00:06:46,029 --> 00:06:46,850 KATE MARTIN: Sounds great! 126 00:06:51,950 --> 00:06:54,890 CAT HADLER: So I'll just get the maps out of my van and then I'll 127 00:06:54,899 --> 00:06:56,170 show you how we do the survey. 128 00:06:56,179 --> 00:06:56,850 KATE MARTIN: Great! 129 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,279 CAT HADLER: So I've got three aerial photos here of 130 00:07:02,290 --> 00:07:05,779 Stockbridge Down. And on each one, it's got a different route 131 00:07:05,790 --> 00:07:08,609 drawn and essentially you're walking sort of all spread out 132 00:07:08,619 --> 00:07:11,649 in a line. So you all got your eyes on the ground, kind of like 133 00:07:11,660 --> 00:07:14,309 a police crime scene looking for evidence. 134 00:07:14,339 --> 00:07:16,149 KATE MARTIN: So apart from a sharp pair of eyes, is there 135 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,140 anything else we need? 136 00:07:17,619 --> 00:07:19,859 CAT HADLER: Just to give focus and a bit of a hint of 137 00:07:19,869 --> 00:07:20,660 competition. 138 00:07:21,109 --> 00:07:22,839 KATE MARTIN: So it gets quite competitive does it? 139 00:07:22,950 --> 00:07:25,350 CAT HADLER: Yeah, it does. And speaking of competitive, some of 140 00:07:25,359 --> 00:07:27,899 the volunteers are arriving and it's only quarter past nine. 141 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,103 KATE MARTIN: Hello, I'm Kate! 142 00:07:36,103 --> 00:07:36,910 GENERIC: Hello! 143 00:07:36,910 --> 00:07:39,989 KATE MARTIN: So this is my first time on a Glow-Worm survey. What 144 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:40,549 about you? 145 00:07:40,679 --> 00:07:43,140 GENERIC: No, I've been doing it for probably about four or five 146 00:07:43,149 --> 00:07:44,260 years since we started. 147 00:07:44,619 --> 00:07:46,420 It takes you a while to see your first one and once you get it, 148 00:07:46,429 --> 00:07:46,790 it's like- 149 00:07:46,890 --> 00:07:48,730 KATE MARTIN: So is there quite a bit of competition then between 150 00:07:48,739 --> 00:07:50,160 the groups when you go out? 151 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,890 GENERIC: There would be if Dylan was here! He's a lead ranger. 152 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:55,929 Yes, he's very competitive when it comes to it! 153 00:07:55,940 --> 00:07:57,260 KATE MARTIN: I don't know, maybe it's something about lead 154 00:07:57,269 --> 00:07:59,510 rangers. Maybe we're all competitive. I'm quite 155 00:07:59,519 --> 00:08:00,130 competitive! 156 00:08:00,230 --> 00:08:01,309 GENERIC: I'm sure you will see some 157 00:08:01,309 --> 00:08:03,859 KATE MARTIN: Oh Good. I hope so! 158 00:08:04,220 --> 00:08:04,869 GENERIC: I hope I see some! 159 00:08:05,429 --> 00:08:07,260 CAT HADLER: Right everyone! Should we go? 160 00:08:07,269 --> 00:08:10,359 So we'll cross the road and then, yeah, we'll go off on our 161 00:08:10,369 --> 00:08:10,950 different groups. 162 00:08:10,959 --> 00:08:14,609 Everyone know who they're with? Wonderful! Oh, I'm excited! I am 163 00:08:14,619 --> 00:08:18,380 excited! It's going to happen! We're going to find lots! 164 00:08:22,429 --> 00:08:24,513 So for the best chance for us to see them- 165 00:08:24,513 --> 00:08:24,756 KATE MARTIN: Yeah- 166 00:08:24,756 --> 00:08:27,380 CAT HADLER: It's best if we spread out. So if you just go 167 00:08:27,390 --> 00:08:29,839 over there between Scott and Mary and kind of hold the line 168 00:08:29,850 --> 00:08:30,230 there- 169 00:08:30,290 --> 00:08:30,570 KATE MARTIN: Yeah! 170 00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:32,099 CAT HADLER: That'd be perfect. 171 00:08:33,169 --> 00:08:33,908 Mary! 172 00:08:34,609 --> 00:08:36,909 Oh, yeah, here she is! 173 00:08:36,909 --> 00:08:37,979 Wonderful! 174 00:08:38,349 --> 00:08:42,359 KATE MARTIN: I have to say it's a lot harder than I thought it 175 00:08:42,369 --> 00:08:42,919 would be! 176 00:08:43,130 --> 00:08:47,119 MARY: But it does help having seen them before to know what 177 00:08:47,130 --> 00:08:48,363 you're looking for! 178 00:08:48,363 --> 00:08:51,210 KATE MARTIN: Well fingers crossed. I'm hoping that we 179 00:08:51,219 --> 00:08:52,229 might get an idea. 180 00:08:52,239 --> 00:08:55,109 So, I mean, you obviously must enjoy it otherwise you wouldn't 181 00:08:55,119 --> 00:08:56,052 be getting up [cross-talk] 182 00:08:56,052 --> 00:09:00,669 MARY: I don't often come out here in the middle of the night. 183 00:09:01,830 --> 00:09:03,609 KATE MARTIN: That's good to know, otherwise I'd be asking 184 00:09:03,619 --> 00:09:04,549 some questions! 185 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,260 Thank you, Mary. It was nice to talk to you and let me know if 186 00:09:13,270 --> 00:09:14,809 you see one. I'm desperate to see one! 187 00:09:18,409 --> 00:09:20,239 Hello, Scott. Where are you? 188 00:09:20,239 --> 00:09:24,559 SCOTT: I'm here! You've been up here before last time? 189 00:09:24,929 --> 00:09:27,280 KATE MARTIN: No, no, this is my first! 190 00:09:27,299 --> 00:09:31,559 SCOTT: This is my second. We- I came on the first one a couple 191 00:09:31,570 --> 00:09:36,369 of months back when, sadly, we couldn't find anything. But 192 00:09:36,380 --> 00:09:39,309 that's, that's life. It's a funny old year. But we want to 193 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,130 find the glowing bottoms which will make it worth it. 194 00:09:43,179 --> 00:09:45,559 KATE MARTIN: So, what made you want to get involved with it? 195 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,530 SCOTT: Yeah, it is a fantastic environment to work in great 196 00:09:50,539 --> 00:09:52,340 company with the guys that I work with. 197 00:09:53,849 --> 00:09:56,640 And there's so much to do. 198 00:09:56,650 --> 00:09:58,049 KATE MARTIN: Oh, we got one! 199 00:10:02,969 --> 00:10:08,780 CAT HADLER: Oh, joyous! Oh, well done! Good Lord, I can't even 200 00:10:08,789 --> 00:10:11,450 see it! Well done! 201 00:10:11,460 --> 00:10:18,039 Mary your eyes! Gosh, you have a superhuman vision! Look at her! 202 00:10:19,030 --> 00:10:20,780 That might be a larvae. 203 00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:24,950 Well, it is eating a snail. I think you found a larvae because 204 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,739 they glow very faintly. 205 00:10:26,739 --> 00:10:27,650 KATE MARTIN: Nice one! 206 00:10:27,659 --> 00:10:29,940 CAT HADLER: Look. That is the first larvae I've ever picked up 207 00:10:29,950 --> 00:10:30,609 on a survey! 208 00:10:30,710 --> 00:10:32,760 KATE MARTIN: Oh, wow. That's incredible. 209 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,580 ROBIN SCAGELL: Curiously, the larvae actually do glow of their 210 00:10:38,590 --> 00:10:39,400 own accord. 211 00:10:39,599 --> 00:10:43,969 And we believe that the reason they glow is to try and deter 212 00:10:43,979 --> 00:10:45,640 predators from eating them. 213 00:10:46,169 --> 00:10:49,869 I'm Robin Scargell. I run the UK Glow-Worm survey. 214 00:10:53,099 --> 00:10:56,479 There's nothing more delightful than walking along a lane in the 215 00:10:56,489 --> 00:10:59,909 summer and seeing these little sparks of light which are female 216 00:10:59,919 --> 00:11:04,179 Glow-Worms hopefully waiting for a male to turn up. 217 00:11:04,179 --> 00:11:06,400 If you're a tiny beetle and you're around in the 218 00:11:06,409 --> 00:11:09,239 countryside. How do you make friends? How do you get to meet 219 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:10,159 another person? 220 00:11:10,169 --> 00:11:14,289 Another similarly minded Glow-Worm? Well, it's bad enough 221 00:11:14,299 --> 00:11:16,580 for humans but it's even more difficult for tiny little 222 00:11:16,590 --> 00:11:17,909 beetles in the landscape. 223 00:11:19,250 --> 00:11:22,130 Now, some beetles use pheromones. They have a 224 00:11:22,140 --> 00:11:25,909 distinctive smell and the males can pick that up over a long 225 00:11:25,919 --> 00:11:26,539 distance. 226 00:11:26,940 --> 00:11:29,109 In the case of Glow-Worms, they use light. 227 00:11:29,119 --> 00:11:31,799 I would say it's a bit like people going to a dance or a 228 00:11:31,809 --> 00:11:34,859 nightclub or whatever the females put on their best and 229 00:11:34,869 --> 00:11:37,950 most attractive clothing and look as gorgeous as possible. 230 00:11:38,099 --> 00:11:40,869 And the males sort of shuffle in, look around for this little 231 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,309 speck of light in the grass. 232 00:11:43,330 --> 00:11:46,919 And so it is with Glow-Worms, the females actually light up 233 00:11:46,929 --> 00:11:50,299 their lights and they can be seen from a long distance. 234 00:11:50,929 --> 00:11:55,739 It's all about mating. She may last only a day or so as an 235 00:11:55,750 --> 00:11:59,890 adult and then she lays her eggs and then more or less within a 236 00:11:59,900 --> 00:12:01,880 few hours, she may well be dead. 237 00:12:09,619 --> 00:12:12,890 KATE MARTIN: So now that I know what I'm looking for, I am 238 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:18,669 keeping my eyes peeled. But, it's actually quite tricky. It's 239 00:12:18,690 --> 00:12:20,419 quite tricky trying just to watch what you put in your feet, 240 00:12:20,429 --> 00:12:21,679 never mind anything else. 241 00:12:22,510 --> 00:12:27,809 But sort of walking across here with sort of disembodied voices 242 00:12:27,820 --> 00:12:30,489 and silhouettes in the distance it's a- 243 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:34,440 It is quite eerie, particularly when you think about, you know, 244 00:12:34,450 --> 00:12:38,229 how long people have lived up here. You can imagine the sort 245 00:12:38,239 --> 00:12:42,460 of ghosts of our ancestors following our every footstep. 246 00:12:42,469 --> 00:12:43,909 That's quite scary really! 247 00:12:47,219 --> 00:12:51,099 RYAN LAVELLE: As far back as 2400 BC at the dawn of the 248 00:12:51,109 --> 00:12:55,179 Bronze Age, this was a place for burial mounds. 249 00:12:55,190 --> 00:12:58,880 Those people who were buried, there were seen as important 250 00:12:58,890 --> 00:13:04,049 enough to have these mounds erected as a kind of memorial to 251 00:13:04,059 --> 00:13:04,479 them. 252 00:13:05,049 --> 00:13:11,940 Fast forward to the 1060s AD this time, it's not used as a 253 00:13:11,950 --> 00:13:17,080 place to honour the deceased, Stockbridge Down for Anglo Saxon 254 00:13:17,090 --> 00:13:21,760 Society was used as a place to warn the living. 255 00:13:23,780 --> 00:13:26,669 I'm Ryan Lavelle and I'm professor of early medieval 256 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,090 history at Winchester University. 257 00:13:30,729 --> 00:13:34,450 So executions that we know of from this period tend to be by 258 00:13:34,460 --> 00:13:38,539 hanging or sometimes by beheading. 259 00:13:39,450 --> 00:13:43,760 There's evidence from Stockbridge Down that some of 260 00:13:43,770 --> 00:13:47,489 these skeletons had had their hands bound together behind 261 00:13:47,500 --> 00:13:48,150 their backs. 262 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:55,359 So evidently they were treated as prisoners, heads were placed 263 00:13:55,369 --> 00:14:00,479 on stakes in public places so that they could be seen. 264 00:14:00,570 --> 00:14:04,679 And this was a way of reminding people to behave. 265 00:14:05,530 --> 00:14:09,750 You can imagine the people who are traveling along the 266 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:14,880 Stockbridge road looking up at the hill and shuddering slightly 267 00:14:14,890 --> 00:14:18,349 as they see these heads looking down on them. 268 00:14:19,169 --> 00:14:24,309 Going to a place like this after dark would be something that 269 00:14:24,950 --> 00:14:26,440 would best be avoided. 270 00:14:30,869 --> 00:14:32,619 KATE MARTIN: There is something isn't there about being in a 271 00:14:32,630 --> 00:14:36,000 place where, you know, people have been for thousands of 272 00:14:36,010 --> 00:14:36,590 years. 273 00:14:36,869 --> 00:14:39,619 CAT HADLER: It is. We walk in the footsteps of history here. I 274 00:14:39,630 --> 00:14:42,020 always look out at the view and see, you know, ancient man 275 00:14:42,030 --> 00:14:44,250 looked out and the view would have been very different, but 276 00:14:44,260 --> 00:14:46,340 the shape of the landscape would have been largely the same. 277 00:14:47,969 --> 00:14:49,130 KATE MARTIN: Oh, is this one? 278 00:14:50,770 --> 00:14:57,119 CAT HADLER: Oh, it is one! Hey, Kate's found one! Oh, look! 279 00:14:57,469 --> 00:15:00,150 KATE MARTIN: Oh, so I'm so chuffed! So chuffed! 280 00:15:00,159 --> 00:15:00,909 CAT HADLER: Good, isn't it? 281 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:02,840 KATE MARTIN: I don't feel completely useless! 282 00:15:02,869 --> 00:15:02,929 CAT HADLER: Yeah. 283 00:15:04,369 --> 00:15:10,843 Yeah, I just walked right past it. [Cross-talk as volunteers 284 00:15:10,843 --> 00:15:10,900 arrive] 285 00:15:10,900 --> 00:15:12,190 KATE MARTIN: There's one in there as well! 286 00:15:12,229 --> 00:15:16,539 CAT HADLER: Which one are you looking at Scott? 287 00:15:16,539 --> 00:15:17,129 SCOTT: Well I've got one here into the bushes. 288 00:15:17,129 --> 00:15:17,194 CAT HADLER: So- 289 00:15:17,194 --> 00:15:17,773 KATE MARTIN: There's one that side! 290 00:15:17,773 --> 00:15:19,830 CAT HADLER: There's one here, there's one there, [Cross-talk] 291 00:15:19,830 --> 00:15:22,297 You've got one! Oh good Lord. This is wonderful! 292 00:15:22,297 --> 00:15:23,893 KATE MARTIN: Right, let me get- 293 00:15:23,893 --> 00:15:26,049 Is there one over there as well? 294 00:15:26,580 --> 00:15:29,380 CAT HADLER: Yeah, we got it! There it is. I can see it now, 295 00:15:29,380 --> 00:15:33,140 dead ahead! 296 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:35,669 Right, Ok. Hold on. Sorry, Kate. We will finish this 297 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:36,369 conversation! 298 00:15:37,099 --> 00:15:38,570 Oh my God. Now, I can't see. 299 00:15:38,770 --> 00:15:41,460 Oh, yes. There's one in there and there's one down there. 300 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:43,820 Excellent. Oh, wonderful! 301 00:15:44,729 --> 00:15:47,710 Cool! We'll just keep walking up in the line straight up to the 302 00:15:47,719 --> 00:15:50,830 car park. Come on, guys, we can get one more before we get 303 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,935 back! [ 304 00:15:53,935 --> 00:15:56,359 Cheering] I said we had to have one more before we went home! 305 00:15:56,919 --> 00:15:58,229 I would have kept you all here! 306 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,169 Gosh, I can see her! She's quite a biggie! 307 00:16:01,469 --> 00:16:06,049 Ah, excellent work. Right. Let's get back to the car park and see 308 00:16:06,059 --> 00:16:06,989 how everyone's got on. 309 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:20,359 Right, where is everyone? What's our result? Right. How did you 310 00:16:20,369 --> 00:16:21,320 guys do? Tell us! 311 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:22,479 GENERIC: We did really well, thank you! 312 00:16:22,669 --> 00:16:24,590 CAT HADLER: Oh, good, good. What have you got? 313 00:16:24,599 --> 00:16:27,049 GENERIC: 15 females and 7 males. 314 00:16:27,059 --> 00:16:31,880 CAT HADLER: Fantastic. Oh, very close. We've got 18 females, 7 315 00:16:31,890 --> 00:16:35,559 males and a larvae eating a snail spotted by Mary, which I 316 00:16:35,570 --> 00:16:36,750 have never seen before. 317 00:16:36,770 --> 00:16:38,159 Oh, well done guys! 318 00:16:38,169 --> 00:16:43,890 GENERIC: Is that a draw in reality? [Cross-talk] 319 00:16:43,890 --> 00:16:45,780 CAT HADLER: Yeah. Well, there was a particular cluster on a 320 00:16:45,789 --> 00:16:49,090 corner which will forever be kind of the peak busy corner in 321 00:16:49,099 --> 00:16:50,679 the green light district in my head now. 322 00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:53,400 Oh, well, thank you very much everyone and thank you for 323 00:16:53,409 --> 00:16:56,280 hanging around to hear results. I appreciate it's getting on 324 00:16:56,289 --> 00:16:57,969 now. We'll all be turning to pumpkins soon! 325 00:16:59,070 --> 00:17:02,280 Yeah. Thank you very much. Everyone's signed in and out. So 326 00:17:02,289 --> 00:17:04,680 yeah, please feel free to leave as you wish and get yourselves 327 00:17:04,689 --> 00:17:08,839 to bed. Thanks guys. Thank you. See you later, Mike. 328 00:17:10,380 --> 00:17:14,329 KATE MARTIN: It was a really good experience. I mean, 329 00:17:14,339 --> 00:17:17,599 surveying a new species for me is always spectacular. 330 00:17:17,609 --> 00:17:19,439 CAT HADLER: Oh, thank you. Thanks for coming. It was lovely 331 00:17:19,449 --> 00:17:20,989 to meet you real joy. 332 00:17:25,448 --> 00:17:28,958 KATE MARTIN: So, the volunteers have all gone Cat's left and I'm 333 00:17:28,968 --> 00:17:32,629 all alone on this lonely little bit of chalk grassland. 334 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,380 But actually, it's really magical place to be at this time 335 00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:39,560 of night. It's so rare that you actually get to be alone in a 336 00:17:39,569 --> 00:17:42,819 place like this. You know, I've got open sky above me. 337 00:17:42,829 --> 00:17:47,930 All the stars are twinkling. It's just beautiful. 338 00:17:47,930 --> 00:17:51,900 Quite often it can be these little local areas that can be 339 00:17:51,910 --> 00:17:53,459 the most magical. 340 00:17:53,459 --> 00:17:56,880 Learn about it. Research about your local places because you 341 00:17:56,890 --> 00:18:00,920 can get a fantastic wildlife experience in the most 342 00:18:00,930 --> 00:18:03,709 unassuming quiet places. 343 00:18:16,739 --> 00:18:19,459 Thanks for listening to this episode of the National Trust 344 00:18:19,469 --> 00:18:20,250 podcast. 345 00:18:20,410 --> 00:18:23,619 If you've enjoyed this episode, remember, the National Trust has 346 00:18:23,630 --> 00:18:26,689 a huge resource of audio programmes to keep you informed 347 00:18:26,699 --> 00:18:27,680 and entertained. 348 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,520 You can find all the podcasts on our network at 349 00:18:30,530 --> 00:18:34,609 nationalturst.org.uk/podcasts. 350 00:18:34,969 --> 00:18:38,150 We'll be back soon with a new episode, but for now from me, 351 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,630 Kate Martin. Goodbye.