1 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,819 JO DYSON: Hello and welcome to the National Trust Podcast. I'm Jo 2 00:00:11,829 --> 00:00:17,090 Dyson, and today I'm visiting a weird and wonderful place. Once 3 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:21,319 the home of giant creatures, a tourist trap for Victorians and 4 00:00:21,329 --> 00:00:25,959 now a top spot for all kinds of adventures. I'll be exploring 5 00:00:25,969 --> 00:00:29,969 this National Trust landscape with the added benefit of a 6 00:00:29,979 --> 00:00:31,489 treasure hunt along the way. 7 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,189 JO DYSON: So just arrived at Brimham Rocks car park and I 8 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,009 can't wait to find out what's in store for me today. It's been 9 00:00:42,020 --> 00:00:45,000 about a 20 minute drive here from Harrogate and I've passed 10 00:00:45,009 --> 00:00:50,069 beautiful farmland, quaint fields, bright green landscape. 11 00:00:50,290 --> 00:00:53,220 The drizzle that started this morning in Harrogate seems to be 12 00:00:53,229 --> 00:00:56,919 clearing. So I'm here today to meet a National Trust colleague 13 00:00:56,930 --> 00:01:01,790 called Rich Foster, and I think that could be him over there... 14 00:01:02,959 --> 00:01:04,099 Hi are you Rich? 15 00:01:05,209 --> 00:01:05,561 RICH FOSTER: I am. Are you Jo? 16 00:01:05,561 --> 00:01:08,529 JO DYSON: Hi I am, great to meet you. Nice to meet you. So, Rich, 17 00:01:08,540 --> 00:01:11,559 I've been told that you are an expert, but I've not been told 18 00:01:11,569 --> 00:01:13,680 what you are an expert in... 19 00:01:13,930 --> 00:01:17,330 RICH FOSTER: Aha. I am an expert. And I'm an expert in 20 00:01:17,339 --> 00:01:19,303 something called Geocaching. 21 00:01:19,303 --> 00:01:20,497 JO DYSON: Geocaching? 22 00:01:20,497 --> 00:01:21,093 RICH FOSTER: Yes. 23 00:01:21,093 --> 00:01:21,690 JO DYSON: Brilliant! 24 00:01:21,709 --> 00:01:25,569 So I have heard of this. Is it sort of like a treasure hunt? 25 00:01:25,589 --> 00:01:28,970 RICH FOSTER: It is. It is. It's a techy treasure hunt that's 26 00:01:28,980 --> 00:01:33,709 played around the world and you use GPS enabled device like your 27 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,766 phone. And G. P. S. is like the sat nav in your car. Okay, 28 00:01:36,766 --> 00:01:40,529 That's the ‘geo’ bit Yeah, exactly. And the caching bit a 29 00:01:40,540 --> 00:01:42,900 cache is a store like something that's been hidden. 30 00:01:42,910 --> 00:01:46,830 So Geocaches or we shorten the word and say caches are some 31 00:01:46,839 --> 00:01:50,330 sort of container that you have to go and find. They’re hidden 32 00:01:50,339 --> 00:01:53,690 all around the world. There’s boxes of all sizes and shapes in 33 00:01:53,699 --> 00:01:56,300 towns, cities and in fabulous places like this. 34 00:01:56,699 --> 00:01:58,660 JO DYSON: So when I was in Harrogate last night, I could 35 00:01:58,669 --> 00:02:01,830 have gone geo caching and then might have been containers to 36 00:02:01,860 --> 00:02:02,180 find. 37 00:02:02,220 --> 00:02:04,669 RICH FOSTER: You probably walked past some and didn't even know. 38 00:02:05,930 --> 00:02:08,270 JO DYSON: So what are we actually going to find here? 39 00:02:09,009 --> 00:02:11,550 RICH FOSTER: Well, I'm not going to tell you. That's all part of 40 00:02:11,559 --> 00:02:15,679 the mystery. But why don't we get going, start searching, and 41 00:02:15,690 --> 00:02:18,100 I'll fill you in on everything you need to become an expert 42 00:02:18,110 --> 00:02:19,369 Geocacher in 60 seconds! 43 00:02:19,369 --> 00:02:22,389 JO DYSON: Hah in 60 seconds? Brilliant. If only I could 44 00:02:22,399 --> 00:02:25,179 become an expert in many things in 60 seconds. 45 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,410 RICH FOSTER: So here's ten things to remember before you go 46 00:02:28,419 --> 00:02:31,779 out Geocaching. Bring your phone or a GPS device to be able to 47 00:02:31,789 --> 00:02:32,309 find these caches. 48 00:02:33,389 --> 00:02:38,350 Bring some snacks and water and a pen or a pencil. I'll explain 49 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,470 why you need that in a minute. Some sun tan lotion or sunscreen 50 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:47,699 if it's sunny or maybe a jacket, if it's wet. Bug spray and 51 00:02:47,710 --> 00:02:50,389 antihistamines can be a good idea because you in the great 52 00:02:50,399 --> 00:02:55,339 outdoors, a torch can be useful as well. Sometimes geocaches are 53 00:02:55,350 --> 00:02:58,360 hidden in dark places and you need to shine a light to find 54 00:02:58,369 --> 00:02:58,570 it. 55 00:02:59,350 --> 00:03:02,179 A few first aid essentials can be useful. Hopefully you'll 56 00:03:02,190 --> 00:03:06,380 never need them. And two final things tools of the trade, some 57 00:03:06,559 --> 00:03:09,490 caches can be really hard to spot or might even need a set of 58 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:13,610 tweezers to pry open to appear in your bag just in case I'm 59 00:03:13,619 --> 00:03:19,410 finally swag for trading. SWAG stands for stuff we all get. If 60 00:03:19,419 --> 00:03:22,460 you find a cache with something in, you can trade it with a 61 00:03:22,470 --> 00:03:23,649 small item. Of your own. 62 00:03:25,309 --> 00:03:28,039 JO DYSON: That's great, Rich, So we've got our top ten. We're 63 00:03:28,050 --> 00:03:32,139 ready to go. I've downloaded the Geocaching app, which I am 64 00:03:32,149 --> 00:03:36,880 delighted to see is free. So anyone can do this. And now just 65 00:03:36,889 --> 00:03:40,779 looking at my phone, we must be this blue dot. Yes. And then 66 00:03:40,789 --> 00:03:44,110 there's quite a few sort of green dots surrounding us. What 67 00:03:44,119 --> 00:03:45,210 does this all mean? 68 00:03:45,339 --> 00:03:47,869 RICH FOSTER: You've got the map of the area there, all those 69 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,339 green dots you can see there, the Geocaches. 70 00:03:50,350 --> 00:03:52,809 JO DYSON: Looks like there might even be one in the car park. 71 00:03:52,820 --> 00:03:54,929 RICH FOSTER: There is. I'm quite interested in this one here, 72 00:03:54,940 --> 00:03:57,605 though. It's called Can't see the Wood for the trees. 73 00:03:57,605 --> 00:03:59,050 JO DYSON: So it's got a name? 74 00:03:59,059 --> 00:04:01,080 RICH FOSTER: Oh, they've all got names, you know. 75 00:04:01,089 --> 00:04:06,009 So, can you see on my phone here it's 186 meters away. The app 76 00:04:06,020 --> 00:04:09,399 tells us how far away the cache is. Okay. And it gives us a 77 00:04:09,410 --> 00:04:12,210 difficulty rating and a terrain rating. 78 00:04:12,690 --> 00:04:15,639 Difficulty is when you've kind of got into the area of the 79 00:04:15,649 --> 00:04:17,005 cache, how hard it is to find. 80 00:04:17,005 --> 00:04:17,250 JO DYSON: Okay. 81 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,940 RICH FOSTER: And the terrain is how difficult is it to get to 82 00:04:20,950 --> 00:04:25,200 where the cache is? If it's a terrain one, it's accessible for 83 00:04:25,209 --> 00:04:28,470 all for wheelchair users and people with buggies and they go 84 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:29,459 right up to five 85 00:04:29,470 --> 00:04:31,446 JO DYSON: And they're might we be using our climbing equipment? 86 00:04:31,446 --> 00:04:33,309 RICH FOSTER: They need specialist gear. 87 00:04:33,450 --> 00:04:36,510 So it's climbing equipment or you need a canoe sometimes... 88 00:04:36,529 --> 00:04:37,242 JO DYSON: A canoe? 89 00:04:37,242 --> 00:04:37,545 RICH FOSTER: Yeah. 90 00:04:37,545 --> 00:04:39,267 JO DYSON: Really? What, so you can reach it by water? 91 00:04:39,267 --> 00:04:39,403 RICH FOSTER: Absolutely. 92 00:04:39,403 --> 00:04:44,299 JO DYSON: Oh, I like the sound of those ones. Okay, So those 93 00:04:44,309 --> 00:04:48,989 say 1.5 for difficulty and 1.5 for terrain. I mean, I don't 94 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,010 want to sort of jump ahead, but this one sounds pretty easy than 95 00:04:52,019 --> 00:04:53,390 if it's 1.5. 96 00:04:53,399 --> 00:04:54,420 RICH FOSTER: It should be. 97 00:04:54,429 --> 00:04:57,010 JO DYSON: So should we go and find can’t see the wood for the 98 00:04:57,019 --> 00:04:57,750 trees? 99 00:05:00,700 --> 00:05:03,510 RICH FOSTER: So I've got 111 meters to the cache now. 100 00:05:04,010 --> 00:05:07,809 JO DYSON: Yeah mine says 110. 109. It's quite fun that it's a 101 00:05:07,820 --> 00:05:09,075 countdown, isn't it? 102 00:05:09,075 --> 00:05:09,209 RICH FOSTER: Yeah. 103 00:05:09,970 --> 00:05:11,465 JO DYSON: We're getting warmer. 104 00:05:11,465 --> 00:05:12,139 RICH FOSTER: Yes. 105 00:05:12,139 --> 00:05:16,140 JO DYSON: Oh, wow. Look at those rocks through the trees. 106 00:05:17,010 --> 00:05:18,710 So, Rich, how long have you been Geocaching for? 107 00:05:18,710 --> 00:05:21,730 RICH FOSTER: I've been caching for about nine years. 108 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,739 I'm a cyclist as well, and I had a bit of a bike crash and broke 109 00:05:24,750 --> 00:05:28,230 my collarbone, so I was looking for something to do with myself. 110 00:05:28,250 --> 00:05:30,600 JO DYSON: Oh, I'm sorry to interrupt again, but now we're 111 00:05:30,609 --> 00:05:31,675 only three meters away. 112 00:05:31,675 --> 00:05:33,420 RICH FOSTER: But I'm going to have to pause my story because 113 00:05:33,429 --> 00:05:34,739 we're right on top of the cache here... 114 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,600 JO DYSON: We are, are we? Yes! 115 00:05:37,220 --> 00:05:41,070 So if I get back to the main screen, there's a description. 116 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:42,360 Can I click on that? 117 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:42,450 RICH FOSTER: Yes. 118 00:05:42,790 --> 00:05:45,455 JO DYSON: And there's a button that says hint shall I do that? 119 00:05:45,455 --> 00:05:45,604 RICH FOSTER: Yeah, yeah. 120 00:05:45,604 --> 00:05:48,920 JO DYSON: Oh, here we go... okay. “Above the service road 121 00:05:48,929 --> 00:05:54,399 layby in a crevice of a large rock adjoining a Birch Tree 122 00:05:54,410 --> 00:05:57,440 hidden by branches and moss. ” So that's the service road 123 00:05:57,450 --> 00:05:58,149 straight ahead. 124 00:05:58,149 --> 00:05:58,500 RICH FOSTER: Yeah 125 00:05:59,380 --> 00:06:02,119 JO DYSON: The crevice of a large rock... 126 00:06:02,250 --> 00:06:03,799 RICH FOSTER: Well, pick your rock around here. 127 00:06:03,809 --> 00:06:07,143 JO DYSON: I mean, that's not really whittling it down is it? 128 00:06:07,143 --> 00:06:08,540 Where’s the Birch Tree? 129 00:06:08,970 --> 00:06:10,920 RICH FOSTER: There's a number of birch trees as well isn't there? 130 00:06:11,609 --> 00:06:14,029 JO DYSON: So do you think this could be the rock in that Birch 131 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,809 Tree? I think maybe down here a bit. 132 00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:19,500 RICH FOSTER: So you're looking for something that's obviously 133 00:06:19,510 --> 00:06:21,179 got some branches piled on top of it. 134 00:06:21,190 --> 00:06:24,980 JO DYSON: So this one maybe? Here's a crevice down here. 135 00:06:24,989 --> 00:06:28,587 RICH FOSTER: I've already walked past them looking for this... 136 00:06:28,587 --> 00:06:28,649 ah! 137 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:30,390 JO DYSON: Have you found it? 138 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:33,429 RICH FOSTER: Well, I'm going to walk away and guide you and say 139 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,130 you're not very far away now... 140 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:35,959 JO DYSON: Am I close? 141 00:06:35,989 --> 00:06:38,860 Because this tree is definitely close, isn't it? 142 00:06:38,860 --> 00:06:38,970 RICH FOSTER: Yeah. 143 00:06:39,709 --> 00:06:40,890 JO DYSON: Do you think it's down here? 144 00:06:40,950 --> 00:06:47,392 RICH FOSTER: Have a look for the gap in the rocks. 145 00:06:47,392 --> 00:06:47,392 JO DYSON: Oh my gosh, I found it! 146 00:06:47,392 --> 00:06:47,394 RICH FOSTER: There you go. 147 00:06:47,394 --> 00:06:48,059 JO DYSON: Oh, my gosh. That is so exciting. And there's the box 148 00:06:48,070 --> 00:06:49,510 oh wow shall I open it? 149 00:06:50,149 --> 00:06:50,179 RICH FOSTER: Aha! 150 00:06:50,559 --> 00:06:52,790 JO DYSON: Look, National Trust, Geocache. 151 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:59,630 This is my first geocache find. Oh, this is lovely. 152 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,690 Look Rich, there's a little pad of paper with people's names and 153 00:07:04,700 --> 00:07:05,220 dates. 154 00:07:05,420 --> 00:07:07,369 RICH FOSTER: The way it works is that when you find the cache, 155 00:07:08,070 --> 00:07:10,829 you look for the log book. And there's your log book and sign 156 00:07:10,839 --> 00:07:13,000 your name and your date to say that you found it. 157 00:07:13,049 --> 00:07:14,149 JO DYSON: So I'll add our names. 158 00:07:14,269 --> 00:07:17,970 Oh, this is so good. Oh, look what's in here. There's a little 159 00:07:17,980 --> 00:07:23,429 booklet. A painted rock that is painted with yellow and red 160 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:28,070 stripes and. Oh, this is lovely. Look, it's like a little key 161 00:07:28,079 --> 00:07:32,339 ring that says National Trust 50 things. That’s the 50 things to 162 00:07:32,350 --> 00:07:34,100 do before your 11 & 3/4. 163 00:07:34,100 --> 00:07:34,500 RICH FOSTER: Yeah. 164 00:07:34,869 --> 00:07:36,779 JO DYSON: And this. A little acorn? 165 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:38,800 RICH FOSTER: A little pinecone. 166 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,125 JO DYSON: That’s what I meant! 167 00:07:41,125 --> 00:07:41,149 RICH FOSTER: Yeah, you meant pinecone. 168 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:44,929 So that's all your SWAG, the stuff we all get. 169 00:07:45,019 --> 00:07:47,780 JO DYSON: Oh yes. So do you want to get something to leave in it? 170 00:07:47,780 --> 00:07:49,350 Why, yes. While I add our names. 171 00:07:50,410 --> 00:07:52,876 RICH FOSTER: So the deal with SWAG, all the things in the 172 00:07:52,876 --> 00:07:55,970 cache. The idea is that you trade up or trade even. So, if 173 00:07:55,980 --> 00:07:58,670 you want to take something from the cache, you can. But you must 174 00:07:58,679 --> 00:08:02,269 leave something of equal or same value. And it's brilliant with 175 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:05,140 kids, with families, because kids are actually finding 176 00:08:05,149 --> 00:08:06,589 something that looks like treasure. 177 00:08:07,779 --> 00:08:10,200 So I've got a bag of swaggy bits here we can add. 178 00:08:11,239 --> 00:08:15,109 We've got some I love geocaching stickers and I've got like a 179 00:08:15,119 --> 00:08:17,839 Lego man in a box in a bag you can make. 180 00:08:18,250 --> 00:08:20,809 JO DYSON: So now do we just put the Tupperware box back 181 00:08:20,820 --> 00:08:21,260 together? 182 00:08:21,299 --> 00:08:23,970 RICH FOSTER: That's right. Put it all back. Leave it exactly 183 00:08:23,980 --> 00:08:27,589 where you found it for the next person. We need to log it on the 184 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,100 app now, to say that we found it. 185 00:08:30,549 --> 00:08:32,760 JO DYSON: So now I think I'm ready for my next. This is 186 00:08:32,770 --> 00:08:32,942 addictive. 187 00:08:32,942 --> 00:08:33,460 RICH FOSTER: Good, isn't it? 188 00:08:34,150 --> 00:08:35,250 Let's go find another one. 189 00:08:38,929 --> 00:08:42,028 JO DYSON: I mean, I've genuinely never seen anything like this 190 00:08:42,078 --> 00:08:44,979 Rich. It's just the contrast of the lush green grass and then 191 00:08:44,989 --> 00:08:51,018 these absolutely vast boulders sort of jutting out. I did 192 00:08:51,028 --> 00:08:53,689 notice actually on this geocaching app that there's that 193 00:08:53,698 --> 00:08:55,429 button that says description. 194 00:08:55,968 --> 00:08:58,208 RICH FOSTER: Yeah. So when you click this description, it tells 195 00:08:58,218 --> 00:09:00,679 you something about the area that you're visiting. 196 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,419 ALEC BOYD: The story of Brimham Rocks, It's realistically a 320 197 00:09:05,429 --> 00:09:07,099 million year story. 198 00:09:07,489 --> 00:09:10,510 My name is Alec Boyd and I'm the area ranger here at Brimham 199 00:09:10,630 --> 00:09:11,090 Rocks. 200 00:09:12,359 --> 00:09:15,539 If you go back long enough, the UK used to be south of the 201 00:09:15,549 --> 00:09:17,719 equator and there's a giant mountain range that doesn't 202 00:09:17,729 --> 00:09:21,969 really exist anymore. I think it's roughly comparable to the 203 00:09:21,979 --> 00:09:22,820 Himalayas. 204 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,690 It was probably one of the major mountain ranges in the world at 205 00:09:27,700 --> 00:09:31,369 the time. And as this mountain range was exposed to weathering, 206 00:09:31,380 --> 00:09:33,729 you know, you'd get rain, snow, sleet, everything we're getting 207 00:09:33,739 --> 00:09:34,200 today, 208 00:09:34,359 --> 00:09:38,270 You know, weather that mountain range down and through a series 209 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,799 of river systems, all that material would make its way down 210 00:09:41,809 --> 00:09:43,840 the slope where the area flattens out. 211 00:09:44,299 --> 00:09:47,330 And that's actually the source of what Brimham rocks is today, 212 00:09:47,340 --> 00:09:49,919 is this ancient, giant, meandering river delta. 213 00:09:50,690 --> 00:09:54,520 The waterways are what gave the rocks their distinctive layering 214 00:09:54,530 --> 00:09:58,780 and appearance 320 million years ago when these rivers were going 215 00:09:58,789 --> 00:10:02,750 through, flowering plants didn't exist. So trees as we know them, 216 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,049 grasses as we know them flowers didn't exist at that time. In 217 00:10:06,429 --> 00:10:09,080 fact, when it comes to Vertebrate Life, so life with 218 00:10:09,090 --> 00:10:12,520 backbones, the new kid on the block is literally Reptiles. 219 00:10:13,820 --> 00:10:16,940 We've only got one fossil that we don't advertise too much 220 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:19,539 because of where it's located, and we don't want to cause 221 00:10:19,549 --> 00:10:20,770 excess erosion to it. 222 00:10:21,489 --> 00:10:24,289 But we've got the fossilized footprints of an ancient 223 00:10:24,299 --> 00:10:28,200 Amphibian. So this is a type of Amphibian called a Temnospondyl, 224 00:10:28,890 --> 00:10:32,099 which is roughly related to frogs, newts and salamanders 225 00:10:32,109 --> 00:10:34,109 today, just think of it like second cousins. 226 00:10:34,530 --> 00:10:39,580 The difference is these things can be absolutely enormous, some 227 00:10:39,590 --> 00:10:43,190 roughly the size of a small car, the one that we've got 228 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,440 footprints on would probably be size of a small alligator. 229 00:10:46,669 --> 00:10:49,780 Imagine a newt with big sharp teeth and a really flat head. 230 00:10:49,789 --> 00:10:51,190 That's roughly what they look like. 231 00:10:52,119 --> 00:10:55,000 It's a very different ecosystem now. We're in this beautiful 232 00:10:55,010 --> 00:10:57,760 Heather Moorland with these rock formations, but these rock 233 00:10:57,770 --> 00:11:00,919 formations allow for all sorts of current life to have little 234 00:11:00,929 --> 00:11:03,369 niches. We've got all sorts of nesting birds that use the 235 00:11:03,380 --> 00:11:06,989 rocks. Obviously insects and other invertebrates 320 million 236 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,620 years makes quite the difference. 237 00:11:08,620 --> 00:11:12,780 JO DYSON: Rich, well that second cache was a bit easier to find 238 00:11:12,789 --> 00:11:15,710 than the first. I wasn't sure if we were going to find the first. 239 00:11:15,729 --> 00:11:16,989 RICH FOSTER: It was. It was a lot easier 240 00:11:17,229 --> 00:11:18,312 JO DYSON: And a much smaller box. 241 00:11:18,312 --> 00:11:18,454 RICH FOSTER: Yeah. 242 00:11:18,454 --> 00:11:21,750 JO DYSON: I mean, I am itching to go and find a third, but I 243 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,090 have to say it's sort of coffee time and I've just spied this 244 00:11:25,099 --> 00:11:27,856 National Trust coffee shop. Shall we grab a coffee and a 245 00:11:27,856 --> 00:11:28,179 cake? 246 00:11:28,179 --> 00:11:31,183 RICH FOSTER: I'm up for a coffee. 247 00:11:31,183 --> 00:11:34,440 JO DYSON: Rich, I mean, look at that view. I don't think there 248 00:11:34,450 --> 00:11:36,950 could be a more beautiful, picturesque place to sit with 249 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:37,640 our coffee. 250 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,290 RICH FOSTER: It is lovely. 251 00:11:39,290 --> 00:11:44,210 JO DYSON: Hey, Rich, look behind you. Can you see that stone 252 00:11:44,219 --> 00:11:47,469 wall? And then there's a bit jutting out, and it looks like 253 00:11:47,479 --> 00:11:49,956 there's a loose, loose rock. You don’t think that could be a 254 00:11:49,956 --> 00:11:51,979 cache do you? 255 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,380 RICH FOSTER: Oh I'm not sure you you might be seeing caches 256 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,280 everywhere. I tell you what, have a look on the app just to 257 00:11:58,289 --> 00:11:59,159 have a check. 258 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,830 JO DYSON: Okay. So I'm zooming in on the GPS Look, the blue dot 259 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,330 of us is right next to a green dot. 260 00:12:08,020 --> 00:12:09,240 Shall we go and have a look? 261 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,780 RICH FOSTER: Oh, that's amazing. 262 00:12:11,710 --> 00:12:13,979 JO DYSON: So this is the Brimham house cache. 263 00:12:14,789 --> 00:12:21,140 Look, if I press on that description button on the app- 264 00:12:21,140 --> 00:12:24,003 JEN TAYLOR: A lot of people say when they see the house, they 265 00:12:24,003 --> 00:12:26,119 ask, who was the house built for who lived in it? But actually it 266 00:12:26,130 --> 00:12:29,359 was built for visitors. It was built to be a visitor reception 267 00:12:29,369 --> 00:12:29,719 point. 268 00:12:30,530 --> 00:12:34,739 My name's Jen Taylor. I'm the property operations manager at 269 00:12:34,750 --> 00:12:35,669 Brimham Rocks. 270 00:12:36,530 --> 00:12:40,482 People have been coming to visit Brimham rocks since the first 271 00:12:40,482 --> 00:12:42,570 owners of the estate built Brimham house really. It was a 272 00:12:42,580 --> 00:12:46,890 tourist destination in the very early days of tourism and that 273 00:12:46,900 --> 00:12:52,719 really boomed when the railways came. The Victorian tourists 274 00:12:52,729 --> 00:12:57,359 really enjoyed the sights of Brimham and were fascinated by 275 00:12:57,369 --> 00:12:58,830 the stories of the Druids. 276 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,960 The Victorians were fascinated with lots of different things. 277 00:13:02,969 --> 00:13:06,070 They were obsessed with death and they were obsessed with all 278 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,679 sorts of mysticism, and Druids were part of that. 279 00:13:09,539 --> 00:13:12,890 They used to think that the Druids had created the rocks. 280 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,890 They didn't think about the way we look at it now and the 281 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:19,179 geology of the site. They much prefer to think of it in a more 282 00:13:19,190 --> 00:13:20,269 mystical way. 283 00:13:20,838 --> 00:13:24,822 RICH FOSTER: And that's another one ticked off Jo. 284 00:13:24,822 --> 00:13:25,960 MOLLY OLDFIELD: Hello, guys. 285 00:13:26,169 --> 00:13:29,706 I heard you were here today looking for our Geocaches? How 286 00:13:29,706 --> 00:13:34,039 are you getting on? Oh Good. Oh, good, good. I'm Molly, one of 287 00:13:34,049 --> 00:13:36,669 the Rangers here. Oh, fantastic. I look after the Geocaches. 288 00:13:37,260 --> 00:13:39,460 JO DYSON: Well, you're doing a brilliant job with these caches. 289 00:13:39,479 --> 00:13:42,559 We've had a great time. That's the third one we've found now. 290 00:13:42,659 --> 00:13:43,650 MOLLY OLDFIELD: Where else have you been? 291 00:13:44,059 --> 00:13:46,650 JO DYSON: We found one called. You can't see the wood for the 292 00:13:46,659 --> 00:13:49,929 trees. That was the first one. It took us a while to find that 293 00:13:49,940 --> 00:13:50,320 one, actually. 294 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:50,510 RICH FOSTER: Yeah. 295 00:13:50,530 --> 00:13:52,559 MOLLY OLDFIELD: It's a bit tricky is a lot of places it 296 00:13:52,570 --> 00:13:56,030 could hide. So you haven't found my favourite one yet, which is 297 00:13:56,039 --> 00:13:57,199 Druids Writing desk. No we haven’t... 298 00:13:57,199 --> 00:14:01,380 JO DYSON: Druids writing desk? What a great name. 299 00:14:01,380 --> 00:14:02,809 MOLLY OLDFIELD: You'll understand when you see it. 300 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,049 JO DYSON: Curious to know why is your favourite? 301 00:14:05,049 --> 00:14:07,090 MOLLY OLDFIELD: The container for it was made by one of our 302 00:14:07,099 --> 00:14:11,270 volunteers here at the site, and it's very unique and very 303 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:11,440 special. 304 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:11,759 RICH FOSTER: Oh, fantastic. 305 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:17,030 MOLLY OLDFIELD: Let's have a look at your app now. 306 00:14:17,039 --> 00:14:18,580 We're getting close to it. 307 00:14:18,590 --> 00:14:23,710 JO DYSON: Oh, 21 meters. And actually it's saying let's turn 308 00:14:23,969 --> 00:14:28,549 left. I mean, I think I'd be really struggling without this 309 00:14:28,559 --> 00:14:30,019 compass... what’s that? 310 00:14:30,019 --> 00:14:31,929 RICH FOSTER: There's something... you've just come 311 00:14:31,940 --> 00:14:35,340 upon a log standing by itself. 312 00:14:35,349 --> 00:14:38,359 JO DYSON: It looks a little bit manmade. And I do remember Molly 313 00:14:38,369 --> 00:14:42,159 saying that it's made by a volunteer. Does this top of the 314 00:14:42,169 --> 00:14:44,280 log look like it twists around? 315 00:14:44,359 --> 00:14:45,529 RICH FOSTER: Look at that. It's swivelling. 316 00:14:45,529 --> 00:14:48,929 JO DYSON: Oh, look at that. Oh, that is beautiful. 317 00:14:49,859 --> 00:14:52,119 RICH FOSTER: So the inside of a log has been hollowed out. 318 00:14:52,380 --> 00:14:57,386 JO DYSON: And then inside is... the cache. 319 00:14:57,386 --> 00:15:01,020 RICH FOSTER: Oh, Jo, I can see how happy you are finding this 320 00:15:01,030 --> 00:15:01,460 one. 321 00:15:01,460 --> 00:15:02,319 JO DYSON: I am! 322 00:15:02,319 --> 00:15:05,000 RICH FOSTER: You gone from being a complete beginner to being a 323 00:15:05,010 --> 00:15:06,479 little bit addicted. 324 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,314 JO DYSON: So I filled out the logbook. 325 00:15:09,314 --> 00:15:12,150 RICH FOSTER: Okay, I'm just going to put some swag in here. 326 00:15:12,210 --> 00:15:14,150 JO DYSON: People have already been here today. 327 00:15:14,989 --> 00:15:16,994 The puddle jumpers. 328 00:15:16,994 --> 00:15:20,109 RICH FOSTER: Molly, Why is it called the Druids writing desk 329 00:15:20,119 --> 00:15:20,659 then? 330 00:15:20,659 --> 00:15:24,090 MOLLY OLDFIELD: Yes. If you look over here behind the trees, 331 00:15:24,099 --> 00:15:27,929 there's a certain rock that is named Druids writing desk. Yes. 332 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,669 So it's that rock there. I think in the modern times, people call 333 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:32,289 it ET. 334 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,159 JO DYSON: That is incredible. So that rock that's perched on the 335 00:15:37,169 --> 00:15:38,404 sort of plinth almost- 336 00:15:38,404 --> 00:15:38,789 MOLLY OLDFIELD: Yes 337 00:15:38,799 --> 00:15:42,359 JO DYSON: That is the Druids writing desk. So is it called a 338 00:15:42,369 --> 00:15:45,899 desk because the top of that rock is very flat, isn't it? 339 00:15:45,899 --> 00:15:47,089 MOLLY OLDFIELD: Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. 340 00:15:47,089 --> 00:15:50,159 JO DYSON: It's... I can't fathom how that sort of perched on top 341 00:15:50,169 --> 00:15:52,719 of that plinth. It looks like it could almost topple offer any 342 00:15:52,729 --> 00:15:57,340 point, but just stood here and looking out beyond... I mean 343 00:15:57,349 --> 00:16:00,570 it's absolutely beautiful. I can just see miles and miles and 344 00:16:00,580 --> 00:16:04,402 miles of green landscape in the background. 345 00:16:04,402 --> 00:16:06,239 MOLLY OLDFIELD: This is the valley of Nidderdale, so it's 346 00:16:06,250 --> 00:16:09,299 predominantly farmland. It's an area of outstanding natural 347 00:16:09,309 --> 00:16:10,000 beauty. 348 00:16:10,250 --> 00:16:14,479 JO DYSON: I can see that. I see why exactly! Are there any 349 00:16:14,489 --> 00:16:17,119 others that take in an incredible view like this. 350 00:16:17,250 --> 00:16:19,645 MOLLY OLDFIELD: Yes. So there is another one called Mushroom 351 00:16:19,655 --> 00:16:23,645 Rock, which is a bit further out, nearly 700 meters away, 352 00:16:23,664 --> 00:16:27,015 leaving the rocks behind, going onto the moor. It's a bit more 353 00:16:27,025 --> 00:16:30,455 wild. You have to go over different terrain and there's a 354 00:16:30,465 --> 00:16:32,905 little bit of scrambling involved to get to the cache. 355 00:16:32,945 --> 00:16:36,914 JO DYSON: This sounds absolutely right up my street. What do you 356 00:16:36,924 --> 00:16:38,754 think, Rich? Have we got time to find a fifth? 357 00:16:38,754 --> 00:16:39,994 RICH FOSTER: Oh, let's do it. 358 00:16:41,830 --> 00:16:44,299 JO DYSON: So, Rich, you've travelled all over the world as 359 00:16:44,309 --> 00:16:46,780 well with your geocaching, haven't you? Where's the most 360 00:16:46,789 --> 00:16:48,979 extreme place that you've been? 361 00:16:49,510 --> 00:16:53,100 RICH FOSTER: Around the world? I think Singapore Airport. 362 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:54,390 JO DYSON: Yes, yeah 363 00:16:54,390 --> 00:16:56,340 RICH FOSTER: They have a butterfly garden you can go into 364 00:16:56,349 --> 00:16:59,020 while you're waiting for your flight. And there's Geocache in 365 00:16:59,030 --> 00:17:01,520 there. I wouldn't have known about the butterfly garden in 366 00:17:01,530 --> 00:17:04,250 the airport without having Geocaching there to take me 367 00:17:04,260 --> 00:17:04,619 there. 368 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,339 JO DYSON: That's brilliant. What’s the sort of most extreme 369 00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:10,040 cache that you've heard of? Do you think you have any on the 370 00:17:10,050 --> 00:17:11,599 moon? 371 00:17:11,609 --> 00:17:13,969 RICH FOSTER: Not sure about the moon. There is one on the 372 00:17:13,969 --> 00:17:15,239 International Space Station. 373 00:17:15,250 --> 00:17:15,624 JO DYSON: Is there?! 374 00:17:15,624 --> 00:17:18,229 RICH FOSTER: Yes, there is! 375 00:17:18,229 --> 00:17:18,329 JO DYSON: Who took that up there? 376 00:17:19,829 --> 00:17:21,520 RICH FOSTER: Not me! One of the astronauts. 377 00:17:21,630 --> 00:17:23,510 JO DYSON: And do we know what's in that cache? 378 00:17:23,930 --> 00:17:26,250 RICH FOSTER: There is a log book, I think. Obviously hasn't 379 00:17:26,260 --> 00:17:28,770 been signed by many people. Hasn't been found by many 380 00:17:28,780 --> 00:17:29,150 people. 381 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,430 JO DYSON: No, that wasn't on our top list of ten things. Was that 382 00:17:32,439 --> 00:17:34,300 rocket to get to that one? 383 00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:34,890 RICH FOSTER: Indeed. 384 00:17:35,469 --> 00:17:37,739 JO DYSON: Now, it’s saying we’re three meters. I suppose we need 385 00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:39,849 to go right to the mushroom, do we? 386 00:17:41,069 --> 00:17:45,469 Mollie's looking knowingly. Look. There's a tiny little hole 387 00:17:45,479 --> 00:17:51,689 at the side here, so there is a bit of scrambling involved 388 00:17:51,699 --> 00:17:52,500 downwards. 389 00:17:52,510 --> 00:17:53,380 MOLLY OLDFIELD: So you might. 390 00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:57,339 RICH FOSTER: Okay, there's a couple of steps here in the 391 00:17:57,349 --> 00:17:58,619 rock. I'm going to go first. 392 00:17:58,770 --> 00:18:02,492 JO DYSON: Yep. Okay. Thank you. I'm going to press the hint. 393 00:18:02,492 --> 00:18:05,540 Look at the base of a rock shaped like a mushroom. Okay. 394 00:18:05,550 --> 00:18:10,150 This is why we need to go down just scrambling between two 395 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,325 rocks. 396 00:18:11,325 --> 00:18:14,939 RICH FOSTER: Now I'm going to walk away in a sort of smug 397 00:18:14,949 --> 00:18:15,794 fashion, Jo. 398 00:18:15,794 --> 00:18:18,989 JO DYSON: Oh, okay. I think Rich has seen something. 399 00:18:19,890 --> 00:18:21,329 Now there is a hole. 400 00:18:22,589 --> 00:18:24,089 Hole down there... 401 00:18:25,069 --> 00:18:28,890 Is there something under this grass? 402 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:30,099 MOLLY OLDFIELD: Do we give her a clue? 403 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:31,630 JO DYSON: Yeah. I need another hint. 404 00:18:32,219 --> 00:18:34,810 RICH FOSTER: You need to be on your right hand side a bit more 405 00:18:35,030 --> 00:18:36,189 further. Right. 406 00:18:36,510 --> 00:18:40,260 JO DYSON: I love it, Rich is like warm, warmer. Am I hot? 407 00:18:40,260 --> 00:18:42,229 RICH FOSTER: It’s getting warmer 408 00:18:42,479 --> 00:18:43,189 JO DYSON: In here? 409 00:18:43,219 --> 00:18:45,638 RICH FOSTER: Have a look underneath something. There's a 410 00:18:45,638 --> 00:18:47,423 hint. There's a hint. 411 00:18:47,423 --> 00:18:49,920 JO DYSON: Oh, that's cool. 412 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:54,510 I mean, that is the perfect spot for us. I mean, Rich, you have 413 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,560 super senses. How on earth did you see that? 414 00:18:57,630 --> 00:18:59,959 RICH FOSTER: You just get tuned in to looking for Tupperware 415 00:18:59,969 --> 00:19:00,553 after a while. Jo. 416 00:19:00,553 --> 00:19:03,589 JO DYSON: Oh, I don't know how you saw that straightaway, but 417 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:06,839 look at that spot. That's the perfect little hiding space. 418 00:19:07,329 --> 00:19:09,910 RICH FOSTER: It's got a little barrier of grass in front of it, 419 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,059 so you can't quite see it. 420 00:19:11,059 --> 00:19:15,040 JO DYSON: Yeah, that's grown up beautifully to hide it. 421 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,530 I mean, I just don't really want to stop here now. I know we 422 00:19:18,540 --> 00:19:22,670 don’t have time to carry on, but it is really quite addictive, 423 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:23,239 isn't it? 424 00:19:23,329 --> 00:19:25,380 RICH FOSTER: You just want to keep going. I mean, the 425 00:19:25,390 --> 00:19:26,849 landscape's brilliant, isn't it? 426 00:19:28,469 --> 00:19:30,217 Cache’s should bring you somewhere interesting. 427 00:19:30,217 --> 00:19:30,633 JO DYSON: Yeah. 428 00:19:30,633 --> 00:19:32,352 RICH FOSTER: To answer that question. Why are you bring in 429 00:19:32,352 --> 00:19:35,400 the cacher here. And you're bringing me here because this is 430 00:19:35,410 --> 00:19:39,140 a fabulous place, so I'm going to find them all. Now I'm going 431 00:19:39,150 --> 00:19:40,147 to head off and find them all Jo! 432 00:19:40,147 --> 00:19:40,420 JO DYSON: I’ll join you then! 433 00:19:49,030 --> 00:19:51,760 JO DYSON: Thank you for listening to this episode of the National 434 00:19:51,770 --> 00:19:55,199 Trust Podcast to find more episodes, go to 435 00:19:55,209 --> 00:20:00,910 nationaltrust.org.uk/podcasts or search for the National Trust 436 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,770 Podcast in your favourite podcast app. 437 00:20:04,089 --> 00:20:07,760 If you've listened to this far, we have a little hidden bonus 438 00:20:07,770 --> 00:20:12,579 for you. We have planted our own audio geo cache at Brimham 439 00:20:12,589 --> 00:20:19,609 Rocks. Here is your hint ‘poetry set in stone. We'll be back soon 440 00:20:19,619 --> 00:20:24,670 with a new episode. But for now, from me, Jo Dyson, goodbye.