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Yes, Clash of the Castle.

Not to be confused with

Clash of the Champions.

Clash at the Castle.

Yes.

Yesterday afternoon.

Yeah, never.

never be confused on that um

but that happened yesterday

afternoon um finally got a

chance to watch it this

morning because I was off

doing juneteenth

festivities with the family

you know oh man early ain't

it yeah juneteenth the 19th

it's the 19th but okay oh

y'all doing okay y'all

really black okay back yeah

we was over people you

already know what happened

at peewee house

Oh yeah, for sure.

Just being over there.

Right, you know what I'm saying?

But no,

I was chill because I had at least

20 Mexican mules between

Wednesday and Thursday.

Well, damn.

Okay.

Well, the shit's free.

Oh yeah, of course.

Okay.

Everything makes sense.

It didn't make sense,

but finally got a chance to

watch Clash of the Castles.

I watched the first match before we left,

which was Cody Rose and AJ

Styles kicking it off,

as they should have,

because we knew what the

main event of the night was going to be.

Got a chance to watch the rest.

So as I asked you after every PLE now,

did it feel like a house show to you?

Man, you know what?

No, you know what?

I'll keep it real on this one, man.

This one didn't really feel

like a house show to me.

This felt like, again, like a tier B PLE,

but I got to stop saying that.

And I want to stop saying

that by saying this, man.

Shout out to all of these overseas,

European, UK, just other country crowds.

Man, listen.

From the opening intro and the bell,

they make me want to be a

better wrestling fan.

I ain't going to capture you.

They know the words to the songs.

They're being complete English.

I can understand everything.

They are so appreciative of just...

the one that everybody came

that's what she said to

pause um to out to do their

event but most importantly

man like the energy man you

can feel it through the

stream like they really

represent we gonna start

having conversations about

how some of these other

country crowds are might be

in that top five to ten now

Because, man, they really show out.

And for me, Bang,

that's what makes this feel

like it's bigger than a house show.

Oh, I'll go further.

If I'm an American fan,

I'm looking at these

overseas fans and being like, damn,

they way better than we are.

They are.

and we need to step our game up,

or you're going to see more

and more PLEs go over there.

If I'm Hershey, Pennsylvania,

I need to step it up.

Hey, for real.

You better be happy when

some music hit out this motherfucker.

Yeah,

you better be happy in this motherfucker.

If I'm Las Cruces, New Mexico,

I need to step this shit up.

El Paso, Texas,

I need to rep Eddie Guerrero.

Heavy.

Straight up.

It's amazing, man.

I'll admit, like, you know,

obviously we're spoiled to

a degree because everybody

has to live in the States.

So, you know,

even the overexposure to

seeing them on social media

in so many different areas,

you know they're going to

be in a city near you if

they're not going to be in your city.

And, man,

it's classic American entitlement

at this point, man, because...

I see now why like now I'm

also super convinced that

all the slander for

wrestlers is only coming

from Americans because damn,

do they get love like an

unbelievable amount of love?

Like they're still treating

them like superheroes.

They're still treating like, you know,

top tier movie stars and

top tier athletes.

And, and, uh,

and we just don't have that anymore.

And it's sad.

It's sad because I do

believe you're right.

Because, man, what if that, what is it?

They just call it the UK invasion.

What if they have, like, another invasion,

but they only doing Raw and

SmackDown overseas,

and that's what's going to be live,

and that's what's going to be the PLEs,

because you got to go where the love is.

You got to go where the love is.

And so it makes a lot of sense, man.

But you are absolutely right.

We, Americas,

we got to step it up as far

as crowd at these house shows,

at these Raws, at these SmackDowns,

at these PLEs,

or else you're going

through the tide turn.

Yeah,

these non-American PLEs feel like

Super Bowls.

Man, listen.

Puerto Rico felt like a Super Bowl.

Yeah.

Clash at the Castle last

night felt like a Super Bowl.

Anytime you go over,

Saudi mania one through six

feels like Super Bowl.

Yeah.

Outside of Chicago,

not saying it because I'm from there,

but outside of like Chicago,

New York at the Garden,

it don't feel like the Super Bowl.

For sure.

It feels like,

thank y'all for entertaining us.

As y'all should.

This is what y'all should be doing.

You go to some of these other spots,

it's like, yo, we about to turn up.

It feels like a Super

Bowl-like atmosphere.

Now, for this,

this purely felt like...

This purely felt like the

road to SummerSlam start.

It felt like the Royal Rumble.

King of the Ring felt...

yeah, we there.

It's lit though,

but it's the king of the

ring and it was kind of anticlimactic.

Yeah, for sure.

Especially with who won,

we picked them and all of that stuff.

And yes, wrestling fans,

we're going to do that.

And it was an upset here on the show,

but we kind of had an idea

of what Clash of the Castle

was going to look like,

especially with the main

event of the night.

But even with

Those matches,

we knew what was going to be the outcome.

It felt like the start of

the road to SummerSlam.

We got Money in the Bank

coming up next month in Toronto,

and then after that, we got SummerSlam.

So it felt like we were on

the road to WrestleMania,

but Royal Rumble, whatever's in between,

and then WrestleMania...

Clash at the Castle, Money in the Bank,

SummerSlam.

So let's go ahead and get

into that real quick.

Let's actually start with

the way that it ended.

Now, on this show,

I'm not even going to call

this a Bang Be No One moment.

I think that the writing was on the wall.

CM Punk was going to cause

Drew McIntyre the world championship.

It just feels like to me

that the WWE had or has no intention yet,

keyword is yet,

on putting a belt on Drew

McIntyre and CM Punk is

coming off of his injury

and they don't have any

plans on putting it on him,

which goes into...

one of probably one of the

most anticipated grudge

matches of all time.

But CM Punk, as the referee, comes in,

don't count the three,

kicks Drew McIntyre in the ding-ding.

And then you got Damian Priest.

And shouts out to Damian

Priest for continuing that

match off of a scary,

scary botch where he could

have fucked all this shit up.

But I'm going to start with

Drew McIntyre and CM Punk.

Is this the most anticipated

match on SummerSlam?

If we're talking SummerSlam, yes.

Yes.

And this is very interesting, man.

Again, as you said, Bang,

we said like weeks,

maybe even a month ago now

that this is going to

culminate at WrestleMania.

But man, they're doing a hell of a job.

with this buildup they

haven't had one match yet

and this has been a top

three story and probably

not three depending on how

you're gauging your stories

and wrestling the entire

front half of the year

we're in june now and now

this this has just been

reignited it's um it's interesting

Because in a time where we

don't really salute the

storytelling as much anymore,

and it's more about the

five-star match or just the

actual match or the actual

spots and moments, man,

they are killing it.

the storytelling of all of this,

because it literally

started with the Royal

Rumble and wanting to be the champ.

But now they've totally got

sidetracked on the title,

even though Drew's been

going after titles.

But the real story is, no,

you got to deal with me.

And even though they both got injuries,

it's still like, man,

salute to both of these gentlemen,

because they're telling the

hell out of the story.

That really all started just

because they want to be the best.

And yo,

what guys don't identify with that?

Yeah,

this is a masterclass of storytelling.

No match needed.

Just a couple of incidents

and them talking shit.

And it's going to culminate

in what I believe is the most,

not only the most

anticipated match at SummerSlam,

It's the most anticipated in

quite some time.

Because they ain't touched each other,

really.

You've seen moves here or

there and all of that,

but they ain't locked up.

They ain't had like a Donnybrook.

They ain't had fisticuffs.

They ain't had shit.

And I want to speak to that.

is what was very clever by

Drew Ansi and Punk.

Literally, as he sat there,

as the two count was there,

and he just looked at dude like,

what the fuck?

He got up and was just like,

now normally I'm thinking, oh, hey,

Claymore in the corner.

Like, I'm about to steal off dude.

He about to get hit with the

lariat or something.

He just started choking him.

I was like, hey, they know all about that.

But more importantly, I was like, oh,

so he can get a chance to

engage also and choke him back.

And then the low blow is choke, choke,

low blow.

We done here.

That's it.

I'm out.

The ring.

Let the match end.

I was like, that's very interesting.

So even in the moment where in a story,

Drew could have squashed

Punk in that moment.

Phil chose not to.

It was almost like, why are you even here?

Versus, oh,

I'm going to kill you when I see.

So that is, again,

I think that is masterful.

It's like, yo, yeah,

we know what y'all want to see.

Not yet.

No punches thrown.

Just a choke.

Yeah.

And a kick to the nuts.

Yeah.

all it is it's paul's paul's

worthy segment here it's a

dick tease it's like going

to the strip club it's

going to the strip club and

you see all of these girls

around and you finally pay

that dub for a dance and

it's an amazing dance but

you can't hit you go back

same thing again

And the fourth time you go, she say, hey,

what you doing after this though?

That's what this is.

It's just one long tease.

For the ladies who listen to the podcast,

this is like you going out

with a dude and saying,

I ain't giving no ass for 30 days.

Wild.

Wild.

But in this case, it's working.

if you like the girl you

like let me just try this

out and see what she

talking about now the the

hope of all of this let me

just say this now the hope

of all it is is when summer

slam happens in Cleveland

this match has to meet the

anticipation yeah and if it

does not meet the

anticipation then it's going to suck

But I ain't worried about that now.

Not worried about that.

Because every interaction

between Punk and Drew

McIntyre has been A1 certified.

And the fact of the matter

is that these two guys can

have a great wrestling

match with a broomstick.

So I think I'm not wrong.

And feeling like this is

going to be a match of the ages.

I'm not wrong in thinking of Macho Man,

Ultimate Warrior, WrestleMania 7.

No title involved.

Career match.

Whoever loses, they're done.

And it was one of,

if not the most emotional

match in the WrestleMania era.

The only match that I'll say

is more emotional than this match,

than that match particularly,

is Ric Flair and Shawn Michaels.

But that was retirement also

in this Ric Flair's last WWE match,

all that stuff.

But even if you look at the two wrestlers,

Macho Man, CM Punk,

Ultimate Warrior, Drew McIntyre, size,

pause.

Because when they got in

front and when they matched

up and looked at each other, I was like,

damn, CM Punk little.

Wow.

Pause.

I said this is going to be

the pause-worthy part.

But I looked at them two, and I was like,

damn.

OK.

How this going to work?

Begin.

Begin.

CM Punk and Drew McIntyre

could have a great match

with a broomstick.

So as far as SummerSlam goes,

I am excited about Cleveland.

Don't know who going to

wrestle for what title,

but it already looks like

the match that you could

put on the card right now,

CM Punk versus Drew McIntyre.

I can't wait.

I like that.

So...

Great matches all outside, right?

And I've been meaning to ask this question,

but no better time than to

ask it for something like

this with one of, if probably not,

we'll go down as the best

story of 2024 for just wrestling.

It'll be up there if it's not the one.

How long do you think the match has to be?

And I ask that because I

think a lot of times the

reasons why matches don't

meet expectations is

because they're trying to give us that 20,

25, 30-minute classic.

And it's like, really?

If you just give us a really

great show and maybe like 15, 10 to 15,

the actual match of this

action-packed start to

finish and they're like, wow,

somebody had to lose.

I think that that is...

better a lot of times than the 25,

30 minutes,

seven false pins type of match

where it's like,

I don't even remember what

the story was about.

Well, you got to give us 20.

Okay.

At least.

Okay.

The finish is where the question is.

how do you finish this match

is it seeing punk wins

first match drew mcintyre

wins the second match and

then you have your rubber

match uh is it vice versa

is it a dusty finish like I

don't know and you can have

a great match and the

finish is terrible and it

messes up the whole match

yep um so there's that too

it's so much pressure on these two guys

But I just want to see them

lock up at this point.

Yeah, for sure.

I just want to see them lock up.

I want to see them fight.

And during the scrum, somebody had,

before they asked the question to CM Punk,

they said that they would

like their first match to

be a hell in a cell match.

And CM Punk said,

you get this fantasy

booking shit out of here, fam.

And I agree with him to a point.

Uh-huh.

And here's the point.

And first of all, CM Punk is right.

Don't blow your load off of

one match with a specialty match.

Pause.

But that's how y'all made this.

Y'all made this into

something that is so

anticipated that we want to

see blood the first night.

That's how good I feel like this has been.

It feels like they fought.

That's how good this program has been.

It feels like they fought.

They haven't.

So to the question that was

posed or the statement that

was posed before the question, it's like,

damn,

you realize that they have not

wrestled outside of them

locking up at the Royal Rumble.

And still you are

anticipating this match so

much that you wouldn't mind

at the first match being a cage.

That shows, to me,

that shows me how CM Punk

and Drew McIntyre has raised the stakes,

has put an atmosphere

around these two that you

don't want to see a normal

wrestling match.

You don't want to see drop toe holds.

You don't want to see headlocks.

No, you don't want to see rear neck.

You want to see CM Punk

Matter of fact, I can tell you right now,

skip everything that I just told you.

Okay, let's do it.

Because I can sum this up in one match.

Because to me,

if I had to put something on it,

because I don't think this

belt had a title attached to it.

This is the most anticipated

grudge match at SummerSlam

since Triple H and Shawn Michaels.

In the non-sanctioned match.

Yeah, hey,

you might have did it with that one.

Yeah.

And what match was that?

It was a gimmick match, so to speak.

And at the end of the match,

I think it was a non-sanctioned match.

yeah because anything goes

non-section match that

that's when um that's when

sean michaels had the

philippians wife beat her

on yeah that's when he that

was his first match back in

the wwe yo I think the lord

but my back and it was just

like but yeah he jumping

off ladders right and right

and at the end of the match

sean michaels was hit by the sledgehammer

Triple H hitting with the sledgehammer.

To me,

this is the most anticipated grudge

match since those two.

And it was a non-sanctioned match.

So CM Punk, do I agree with you?

On the Hell in a Cell, yes.

But y'all have made it so

that we do not want to see

a wrestling match.

We want to see a fight.

We want to see Drew McIntyre

come up in there with his

wrestling draws and CM Punk

come up in there with some jeans,

some ones, and a CM Punk wife beater.

That's what we want.

We want to see a fight, y'all.

And that's what I expect to

get in so many ways at SummerSlam,

a fight.

The minute you put a

motherfucker in a chokehold

and the crowd starts,

I don't want to see that.

I want to see you fight.

But that's because of what

y'all have given us.

Y'all have not given us some

wrestling vibes.

Y'all hate each other, fam.

Y'all giving us I hate him vibes.

Y'all have not given me

Texas catch can vibes.

You've not given me King of

the Ring vibes.

You have not given me... Two

out of three falls

wrestling technician matches.

Yeah,

you've not given me Bret Hart versus

Owen Hart vibes.

Yeah, no.

You've given me Shawn

Michaels versus Triple H vibes, fam.

For sure.

I want to see a fight.

So I will take any match you give us.

But I want to fight.

I want to fight.

It ain't got to be hell in a cell.

That could be the final chapter.

But you got to, they both want what?

Raw, right?

Yeah.

I need Adam Pearce to be like, yo,

on tomorrow, on Raw, on Raw, Monday night,

this is what I need to happen.

Because the way Drew

McIntyre left the arena,

he left as the Scottish psychopath,

right?

I need him to be on Raw

starting out the night.

I'm not leaving this ring

until I get my hands on CM Punk.

Adam Pearce comes out and says,

as you heard in the scrum,

CM Punk is not here.

He's in Chicago getting medically cleared.

You'll be here next week.

But, Drew,

you can take out your anger out

on insert wrestler here.

Yeah.

Jug don't be done.

And it's a Claymore.

Get the fuck up out of there.

Mm-hmm.

I need to see a red in the face of anger.

I need Kill Bill.

Yeah.

I need to see that type of anger from him.

I got you.

He got to start the night

off with a chair and a ring.

That's it.

Chair and a ring.

I'm pissed.

Microphone.

Fuck this bitch.

I need that.

Yeah, man.

It's going to be dope, though.

It's interesting.

It's good and bad for, you know,

obviously the champ because

he should be in the biggest storylines,

especially with him being the second,

like,

Puerto Rican champion and

successfully defending the title.

But, yeah, man,

it's really all about CM

Punk versus Drew McIntyre.

Like, that's really what it is.

That's what we want to see.

They've done a very great job, again,

of just, one, telling the story,

navigating injury,

navigating navigating uh

rightfully deserved like

title matches like this has

been really good son so

yeah yeah what did this

rank in the screwjob

history you know what man

because because I knew it

was coming it don't rank

really high for me I i think uh

I think that is,

I think that's just part of this.

Again, for me,

and I think I said this a few weeks ago,

nobody's getting that title

off of Damian Priest until

Gunther feels like pulling up.

That's, to me,

these are the two stories

being told to me.

I didn't have CM Punk or

Drew McIntyre beating

whoever had the title once

it was clear that Gunther was losing his.

And I was like, oh.

All right, well,

like we see what's on the runway now.

Clear out.

I so want that guy.

They're ringing that out, you know?

So for me,

this screw job doesn't rank really high.

I mean, if y'all want to put it in the 10,

I'm not mad because of the story.

See, that's the thing.

I don't know if it's an

individual screw job or

just a great moment in this

story that's already existed.

So that's where I'm on the fence with.

I agree with you to a point.

I don't have it ranked as

high as people start

talking about on social media.

But it was reminiscent of a

VKM school job.

It was reminiscent of a

Shane McMahon type of school job.

I don't want to say this is

like Rock Survivor Series

vibes or Montreal Screwjob vibes because,

as you said, we knew those was coming.

We didn't know Bret Hart was

going to get screwed out of Montreal.

Also, the crowd reaction is key to this.

The Screwjob.

CM Punk was getting middle

fingers and shit,

but he also was taking selfies.

Right.

And people had on CM Punk shirts and hats.

Yeah,

people were shaking up with him and shit.

You know what I'm saying?

It felt like CM Punk shook

up Vice Lord with a couple

of people and shit.

Yeah, obviously.

Yeah,

so The Screwjob is a screwjob when

the fans want to kill you.

They ain't want to kill CM Punk.

Some of them was like, yo, nigga, yeah.

Come take this selfie.

You know what I'm saying?

And for all due respect,

now that you said that,

now that you said literally that,

that is why the Montreal

screwdriver will always be

number two to me, wildly enough,

because the number one is

definitely Hogan turning on WCW.

They were worried.

That, yo,

they were worried for everybody

that loves Hulk Hulk Hogan.

They threw things in the ring.

I had never seen that happen

in something that was not a movie.

Like, that wasn't 20th Century Fox.

That wasn't New Line Cinema.

Like, they literally threw trash.

People came into the ring.

Yeah, people came into the ring.

Right, yeah.

They stomped some random ass

Randy out because he was like,

what the fuck, dude?

And he jumped in the ring

and they stomped him out.

My kid's crying right now.

Right.

And to be clear,

that would happen a few weeks later.

Like when the NWO was just

getting their shit off,

people threw shit the first

month and a half.

I was like, yo, this is insane.

So that will always be screwed.

So when we're talking screw jobs,

realize that Hogan and

Vince McMahon are one and

two forever because I've

never seen anything like that.

Vince McMahon in the Montreal screw job,

he made Bret Hart spit in

his face accurately and

then he got sucker punched in the face.

Well,

not sucker punched because obviously

he's seen it coming.

But for the wrestler to spit

in your face in public and

then knock you out in front of your son,

that is crazy.

That means, hey,

that was Bret Hart reacting

to the storyline that he in.

So there's no way if

nothing's ever beating that.

So you can't tell me that

what happened with CM Punk

and Drew McIntyre last

night is in the top five.

It can't be.

Not with those two.

No.

Yeah, it just reminded me of like,

it's not even Macho Man, Ultimate Warrior,

Scepter vibes.

No, no, no, no.

But if we didn't feel like

this was going to happen,

excuse me, it'll probably be higher.

For sure.

But, yeah,

because my thing that ran out is

I was like, Jordans?

That ain't the ref.

And then all of a sudden

there was CM Punk's face.

I was like, yeah,

but he's not even like –

the reason why – what did it for me,

and this is me probably

being overly critical,

is because CM Punk wasn't

even scheduled to be there.

So how he the ref?

So, like, the countdown don't mean shit.

But it was funny.

It was a good interaction and instance.

But in some of these other screw jobs, no,

that person, like,

Shane was really the ref that night.

He was just like, nah,

fuck all that shit you're talking about.

And then he ran.

But then the other ref counted him down.

Right.

So it was good for what it was.

But I wouldn't put it

nowhere near Hogan WCW.

I wouldn't put it nowhere

Montreal School Job.

No.

This was more... This is more... Like,

I don't want you to have the belt vibes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, it wasn't... Like,

you cost me the title,

I cost you the title.

We just gonna keep costing

each other the title until

we deal with each other.

Right.

I think that's in our archives, too.

Listen to that episode, too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right, so let's move on.

We're going to talk about

anticipation a little bit

later in the show.

But let's go to the sisters with suplexes.

In a match that we didn't do

a prediction show.

For sure.

But if we would have did a prediction show,

I think both of us would

have picked Bianca Belair

and Jade Cargill retaining

the tag titles.

Yeah, yeah.

I would have picked it off

the simple fact that I

didn't really know where they were at.

And I didn't realize until they... Well,

I'm talking about women now.

But once I realized that...

the other two young ladies are like,

from there, I was like, oh,

this is actually a perfect

time for them to get off the ground.

And they said, because they need it.

They need it more than

anybody else from there.

So, but yeah, I definitely,

on just face value,

I would have picked Bianca and Jade,

no question.

Yeah.

No matter where that shit was at,

I probably would have been like,

going with the black women.

And not because they black here.

I just didn't see a

I just didn't feel like it would happen.

Like,

I felt like everybody who went was

going to lose.

But then I thought about it.

Like, somebody got to win something.

True.

But then I still was like, ah.

Because maybe Bianca and Jay

don't take the pin.

Well, they didn't take the pin.

And Alba Fire and Asla Don

are your new women's tag team champions.

Yeah.

So...

Like, how do we book this from here?

Do you believe that this is

a transitional championship phase?

Is this the start of the

anticipated heel turn of

one of these women leading

to a match at SummerSlam?

What are your thoughts about

this women's tag team title

thing that we're in now?

Okay.

Well, first I want to say,

that little redhead, man, I like her,

man.

I don't know.

She got something I like.

We're here.

I don't know.

You know what I'm saying?

I like everything about that.

She looks super spicy.

I'm into it.

It's LaDawn, yeah.

Oh, bet.

Hey, I'm into you.

All right.

But that aside,

so let me be super real

about the women's tag team

titles because I think that

it's been used wrong since

the inception of it.

So like the reiteration of it,

even though it was Bayley

and Sasha and all of that,

I think it was still wrong.

The women's tag team titles

should have more of a focus

on wrestling teams versus

wrestling stars.

And I super get wanting to

get the title in front of

as many eyes as possible.

Obviously, Bianca Belair holding a title,

it's only going to improve.

It's only going to shoot up, right?

Same thing with Bayley.

Same thing with the then Sasha Banks.

Same thing with Ronda Rousey,

even at that point.

Even though she don't really

like wrestling,

she just likes paychecks

and not really getting

punched in her face.

But all of those things, right?

Very big stars have held these titles,

yet the title itself ain't

made still yet nobody's

making the title and the

title ain't making nobody

so I honestly think that

these two young ladies are

the perfect start to like

changing the culture of

that put them in real

matches put them in real

scenarios let them come out

on top let them get over

with these belts so like

we're not saying things like oh well shit

It's her and her.

Who gonna beat them?

Versus like, yo, this is a real title.

We really defending it.

We having real matches and we winning.

Like now,

now instead of just putting teams

together, other teams that already exist,

because there are a handful

of really good teams that still exist,

can now go after the title

and chase the champs.

And maybe they get put down.

The hot potato with the tag

from star to star,

I think that's hurting it

more than it's helping it.

So hopefully...

And this is a guarantee I'm whole.

What happens with these

ladies and these titles and

improves from here because so far,

I'm not impressed.

I agree.

And that's why I like the

title change a day after.

Like at first, I was like, wait a minute.

Because first of all,

it was a sloppy match.

So being that it was a sloppy match,

I was already concerned.

Um,

Because it's like, yo,

J. Cargill still needs some

seasoning and all of that stuff.

Yes, sir.

So you need Bianca Belair, in my opinion.

You need her in this

capacity to help out with that.

And that's part of the

reason why I was like, yo,

they'll probably keep the belt on them,

too.

Because I'll be honest with you,

without the tag team championships,

there's no reason to keep

them as a tag team.

Yeah, that, too.

There's no reason.

Because, man, just because, man,

this is actually slowing

Bianca Belair down if we're

keeping it 100% real.

Triple H,

Mr. Levesque answered all of

y'all internet questions.

Oh, what would they look like together?

And they should be a team.

Black women empowerment.

Yeah, he did it.

But you see it.

You see it in real time.

They didn't wait to 2032 to finally do it.

They did it right now where

y'all swore that Jake was

ready to do this.

And it's slowing Bianca Belair down.

Bianca Belair.

is the superstar of the year

for what she's done for the

rest of this women's

division without holding the title.

That is my take.

It is not hot.

We should acknowledge it.

To me, right now,

there is no greater

superstar in the world of

wrestling than Bianca

Belair with what she's done

just the first six months of this year.

I want to stand firm on that.

So not only do I agree with you,

this is why I believe that

the WWE is using the tag

team championships as a mid-card title.

Now, WWE should take a, well,

the main card should take a

page out of NXT's book and

have a mid-card women's championship.

NXT now has the North

American Women's Championship.

Kehlani Jordan is the first

ever North American Women's Champion.

There needs to be a Women's

Intercontinental

Championship or give it another name.

Have a Women's European

Championship or the TV title.

Or something like that.

But if you're going to do this,

that's what you need that for.

The WWE is using the tag

team championships as a

mid-card championship or a

title just to put on, as you said,

to keep a name in your face.

The title belongs around Dawn and Fire.

Or anybody else that comes

up as a tag team.

you know um like for example

I i what's what's your name

that's with shayna baszler

um oh um uh uh wait start

is that what I want to say

yes zoe stark zoe stark I'm

sorry zoe start yeah

they're not even a tag team

to me the only tag team

that was in that match was dawn and fire

That feels like a true tag team.

Candice LeRae and Indi

Hartwell feels like a tag team.

And I know there's other

people that you can put

together as a tag team.

That's what feels like a tag team to me.

And those are the people

that should be wrestling for those belts.

So, yeah, I agree with you.

And that's why we need a championship,

a mid-card championship for

the women that you could put.

Now,

I don't mind Bianca Belair being the

champion.

I don't mind Bianca Belair

being the WWE women's TV

champion or some shit like that.

I don't mind that at all.

But what I do mind is her

being in the tag team that

don't really exist outside

of the belt being on there.

So...

So that's what makes it this

little weird to me.

But considering what we saw last night,

I kind of know the answer

that you're going to give here,

but I got to ask it anyway.

Is Jade ready to go solo?

No.

No, not in this environment, man.

Unfortunately,

because we're very critical

of the men wrestlers, right?

because we're not attracted to them.

Like, that's part of the gig.

They gave Jay five moves of doom,

and she's not completing

them all every night.

And that's the problem.

Like, her bicycle kick,

she missed it a couple

times in the last couple matches.

Very scary moment for her, too, though,

off that rope and that hot tag.

That didn't look good.

And I'm not saying that to be critical.

I was like, man,

I was genuinely concerned

because she hit that rope.

I was like, ooh, whoa, don't do that.

But I also think the little things, Bang,

about that hot tag.

She put the...

And I know I've never been a wrestler,

but I've watched enough

wrestling to know that she

needs to be a little more amped up.

She needs to be reaching

with her other arm for the

tag versus Bianca coming to

the far end of that corner

to make that tag.

Like that was the suspense.

Bianca sold the shit out of that.

And yet her hot tag didn't feel so hot.

And it's those things that

are why I'm saying not yet.

again my vote was her to be

on nxt but she's honestly

too big of a star for that

and I get it she's she's

not like this is me and I'm

hoping I'm speaking to the

wrestling community that is

very critical or overly

critical of everybody jay

cargill is not here to be

the greatest professional

wrestler of all times that

has happens to be a woman

jake cargill is here to

capitalize off of being um

genetically like incredible

and being a great athlete

you know what I'm saying

and that comes with big

entertainment look I mean

the storm thing is real she

she will not stop until dc

marvel picks her up if

that's the right movie a

franchise I am sorry that's

not really my bag but um I

i think um I think for that

You know, so with that,

I'm trying to be fair, fair as possible,

because I know her thing, yo,

I'm trying to be the

greatest woman wrestler.

She's literally right in

between what Ronda Rousey

was and what Maria Menoudos is.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, she's right in there.

It's like,

it ain't that she don't give a shit,

And she still could be

better than we expect.

But right now she right in

the sector there,

but she just happens to be

a very big star just by

looking like that.

Yeah.

Jay Cargill is a perfect

example of why I believe

that a mid-card

championship should be there.

Because she's the person I

don't mind the mid-card

championship being on.

Especially when you spotlight.

That's how you spotlight a

mid-card belt and keep somebody solo.

Right?

Because also it puts her in

matches as a solo artist

and putting her up against

people that's going to help her grow.

You can do like we did with Gunther.

You can do like they did at AEW with her.

Because she did grow from

when we first saw her to where she left.

I don't need her to do athletic shit.

I need her to do power shit.

She don't have to jump off of ropes.

She don't have to show her

athletic prowess.

Because I'm not looking at

Jade Cargill to jump,

like to hop on a rope and

then do a flying clothesline.

Looking at Jade Cargill to power slam you.

to sidewalk slam you,

to belly-to-belly you,

to sidewalk slam you.

She should bring back the

torture rack now that you've said that.

She should bring back the torture rack.

Yeah,

I'll give you a perfect example from

a male side of people so

people can understand what

I'm talking about.

Arne Anderson with more charisma.

Arne Anderson, to me,

is a great MAC technician.

and we'll give you the power

move to you up spine buster

move that everybody up in

using I did not expect to

see aaron anderson jump off

the top rope I barely saw

him jump off the middle

rope like yeah hey that's

true that's true I'm gonna

give you a clothesline I'm

gonna give you a spine

buster I'm going to give

you a figure four when needed

I'm going to give you a

power slam and I'm going to talk shit.

I don't need that from Jade Cargill.

I don't need her to jump off anything.

She's too strong to be doing

all of that shit.

Now, if she could do it by all means,

but that takes a lot of

work and practice and match.

Yeah, buddy.

And even on the power side,

she was messing up a little bit.

But yeah, bicycle kick,

give me the Seamus kick, the bro kick.

And as you said,

like you've said to me on many occasions,

I like the wrestlers that

just go up in there and beat your ass.

Yeah.

Yes, sir.

Never gets old.

Ladies and gentlemen,

I need her to be more

bruiser Brody than...

the athletic guy that jumps

around and shows you that

they could do everything.

No,

not looking for Jay Cargill to do that.

Just whoop somebody's ass.

I just ragdoll a bitch.

You said torture wreck.

I'll go one further.

I put a bitch in a full Nelson.

I just ragdoll her ass.

Yo, hey, she could be woman Bobby Lashley.

I'm here for that.

And nothing about popularity

dropping off the second or

third rope ever impressed me that much.

Yeah.

See,

what you're saying is great because

these are the things that

just as wrestling fans I

think need to be said.

Because too often,

especially when it comes to the women,

everybody is so critical of the women.

It's just like, oh,

you're either great or you suck.

And it's not that cut and dry.

Sometimes...

Um,

it's just about finding your footing as

a superstar.

And a lot of guys have this problem too,

but we just overlook it

because we are invested in

the women for two different reasons.

Um, you know, women, um,

historically through wrestling,

either you gotta be really

beautiful or you gotta be really good.

But we haven't taken a lot

of time to build women

characters for you to be

several types of women in wrestling.

I think that is kind of why

the four horsewomen were

able to be who they are.

And there's such an anomaly.

It's like, oh,

this is four type of women

that you could be in wrestling.

So now at least there's four types.

Because Hogan, Savage, Flair,

and Shawn Michaels aren't the same guy.

And then when you throw in

The Rock and you throw in Steve Austin,

they're not the same guy.

And now we're seeing

different versions of who to be like.

Bianca Belair,

the reason why she is so successful,

that's the fifth type of

woman to be like in wrestling.

Rhea Ripley, the sixth one.

So it's like,

we got some great blueprints.

Where do you fit in and all of that?

And I think what's being

missed by Jade Cargill and

maybe the people that may

be with her in her other

time is that she has the

potential to be a different

kind of powerhouse wrestler.

She doesn't have to quite be

Chyna because Chyna

couldn't even wrestle with the men.

I mean,

because she couldn't even wrestle

with the women.

This is a pure mismatch.

And then you have your Beth Phoenix.

But she can be...

bringing that back but

revolutionizing it at the

same time and unfortunately

but what they got her doing

it ain't translating is

that I want to see her put

a in the bearhood and just

rag doll is just drop her

matter of fact another

wrestler you said bobby

lashley I'll go in further

the the person who found

her and got her into

professional wrestling yeah

yeah go be mark henry

For sure.

Hall of Pain vibes, though,

unless you want to be sexual.

I'm not mad at that.

I'm not mad at that either.

I'm not mad at that either.

You could put me in the Hall of Pain.

Hey, willing inductee.

Willing inductee.

But man, no,

I look at Mark Henry as a

perfect compliment to her.

To the point where I wouldn't mind if

When she does make her turn,

before she even comes out,

Mark Henry pops out like

Paul Bearer did when he

came back to the WWE in a red coat.

And Michael Cole be like, wait a minute,

what?

That's Mark Henry.

And Mark Henry says,

things are changing here.

The Hall of Pain is back in business.

And it has a new proprietor.

And that person's name is in

the snow star falling.

There's a storm coming.

It's Bianca Belair.

And she basically mimic what

Mark Henry does in the ring.

Mark ain't got to do all

that jumping on ropes and

all of that shit.

He just beat people ass.

Yeah.

That's it.

That's it.

I'm here for it.

I'm here for it.

That would be incredible, actually.

That would be incredible.

Y'all want me to turn the corner on Jade?

Do what Bang said.

I'm there then.

She just beat people's ass.

And she make people scared of black women.

Like most white men ages 18 to 34 is.

Unless they're attracted to them.

And they like to be in the

hall of pain as well.

They actually like to really

be in the hall of pain.

We just talking.

They want a bitch to step on their shit.

Yeah,

shout out to all the BDSMers out

there that might be tuning

in to the First Black Champ podcast.

I'm not doing that, but... Alright, man,

let's go to... Yeah, nah,

we ain't doing that.

Let's go to the first match of the night,

which was for the WWE

Undisputed World Heavyweight Championship,

or whatever that shit's called.

Cody Rhodes defeated AJ

Styles in a I Quit match, which...

whether it was going to be a

money in the bank or clash

at the castle was expected.

Yeah.

No,

but what the interesting thing was solo

coming out and then the

bloodline coming out,

but then also Randy Orton

and Kevin Owens coming out to even score.

But Randy Orton did those

subtle things in wrestling

you got to watch out for.

He took a glance at the belt.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Looked at the motherfucker like,

I ain't held this motherfucking well.

So my question to you is,

when should they pull the

trigger on either one of these guys?

No matter of fact,

before I even fully answer this question,

I tell you, remember, guys,

if y'all listen to last week's show,

if y'all watch last week's show,

I'm staying with my

SummerSlam prediction.

For those who might not know,

let me break that down to you or for you.

Let me break it down for you.

My SummerSlam prediction.

It starts with Money in the Bank.

My prediction is that Solo,

with the help of the

right-hand man and the other guy,

the Gorillas of Destiny,

because I forgot what

nickname they gave Tonga Lord.

But I also believe that now

that their brother,

has been is out of his a his

new japan pro wrestling

contract um the taller one

I can't remember buddy's

name but I think they're

gonna call him taller tunga

because they did they did

um they did trademark the

name taller tunga all right

so I believe there's going

to be another debut at

money in the bank and with

that debut solo will win

the money in the bank

And then you will have even

stronger in their eyes bloodline.

I think when we get to SummerSlam,

we're going to hear Solo's

name after Cody Rhodes

successfully defends his

title against Randy Orton,

but Randy Orton punts him,

thus turning him back to

what he's best at being a heel.

And then Solo's music is going to come on.

Randy Orton is going to walk past him,

look him up and down and walk off.

Kevin Owens is going to be like,

what the fuck, fam?

And then The Rock's music is

going to play.

And he's going to give the

money in the bank contract to The Rock,

who's just going to give

him a rock bottle, people's elbow,

and come off with the championship.

Thus preparing everybody for

WrestleMania will be The

Rock and Roman Reigns for

the championship.

With that being said,

after seeing what you saw

at Clash of the Castle,

how should these next two

months go when it comes to Randy Orton,

Solo, Cody Rhodes?

Well,

I want to see the story of Cody

versus the Bloodline like

four or whatever take the

forefront because

It's a testament to both

Cody and the bloodline with

no Roman Reigns in sight.

Why do I say that?

Because Cody, Cody is over, right?

Nobody's in doubt that Cody

Rhodes is over.

But Cody, high key,

has been also wrestling a

lot of over people.

It's like Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns,

Drew McIntyre, Damian Priest,

Dominic Mysterio, AJ Styles,

everybody over.

Cody Rose ain't made one star yet.

Let's just be crystal clear on that.

Cody is mastered being over the over guy.

Okay.

Awesome.

But now though,

Get these wild Samoans over.

All puns intended.

Now put your title and your

likeness and your ability,

which is top tier.

So let's not think I'm ever

shooting on Cody Rose.

Cody Rose is a top tier superstar.

But now you got to put in

the real work though, Cody.

Soloing them ain't really it.

They could be it.

But they not really it.

You ain't helping.

Paul Heyman ain't helping.

We want Roman Chancellor still going on.

That ain't good for the

hottest faction of the last

three years to be in this position.

And while that is happening,

I just want Randy Orton

waiting in the weeds.

I want him waiting in the weeds.

And when that story is over,

I want my RKO out of nowhere.

I want my hostile turn.

Because I'm waiting for the

crowd on this one, babe.

I already know what I expect

to see happen and I'm going

to enjoy it even though I

feel it in my soul and my

spirit what's about to happen.

But I want to see what the

2024 WWE Universe feels

about Randy Orton.

Do y'all really like this face, Orton?

I know I don't.

Or do you really want the

true greatest Randy Orton of all time,

who is, in my estimation,

a top 10 wrestler, not 10, ever,

heel Randy Orton?

That's how I judge wrestling fans now,

man.

What Randy Orton you like?

because that's important to me.

I already told you,

I have Randy Orton as my

greatest heel of all time.

And I got him at two.

And it's a close two.

He's really one A through Z.

You can't pick a one B or

one C. He's one A to Z. I

got Triple H as number one, I can't lie,

because he set the bar.

Y'all know this is a Randall

Keefe Orton podcast.

That's a fact.

That's a fact.

He's always going to get love here.

Yeah, that is an undisputed fact here.

So, yeah, that's what I want to see.

And I think everybody will

win in that because I do

think they want Cody to get

one more story off,

one more title defense off.

And that will carry him over half the year,

even though he hasn't been

the champ for six months.

But still, I think it's still a good...

Defense for him to have now.

Now we've gotten past again,

all that crying.

We've got the past, all that.

I respect your dad.

We got past the dude that respect your dad,

but it's a retirement match.

I respect you and your dad.

Okay.

We got all that out the way.

Now deal with these new dudes though.

Get somebody over, defend your title,

create some real adversity

with people that don't give

a fuck about you.

And then,

then take down your mentor if you can.

Right.

Because of everything that you just said,

that's also why I'm

sticking with my prediction.

That's also why I'm sticking

with my prediction.

So I believe that Money in

the Bank is going to be a six-man tag.

But also,

it's depending on what they do

with the bloodline.

If they do debut one of those guys...

earlier and then put them in

a match while Solo is in

the Money in the Bank.

But Solo needs to be in Money in the Bank.

He needs to be in the Money

in the Bank match.

I'll go as far as to say

that this match is

irrelevant if he's not in it.

Wow.

Okay.

Because a couple of reasons.

The biggest reason is he

says he's the head of the

table while Roman is out.

He's now starting to do the spear.

He clearly wants a shot at the title.

So wouldn't it be dope if

the bloodline has the briefcase?

Yeah.

Because now it's hovering over your head,

Cody's head.

I've really got to watch my back now.

If the success rate of the

money in the bank is so high,

then it is impossible for

you to think that you will

hold on to that if Solo is

the holder of the briefcase

because of the two people

that he has next to him.

The money in the bank will

give the bloodline more

power to me than they had

with Roman Reigns because I

can take that belt from you

anytime I want to.

literally now I got the

briefcase now is pretty

much up to me yeah because

you can't mess with god god

is going to take you down

and then solo is going to

reap the benefits of it I

just believe that the rock

is the person that will reap the benefit

And it will make Solo even a

more destructive character.

Because then Roman comes and be like,

hold on.

If you win money in the bank

and then you give it to him,

you should have gave that to me.

Yeah, tribal chief.

Yeah.

And that's how you kick off the Civil War.

Yeah.

Simply put,

that's how the Civil War starts.

That's when you realize you've been had.

You've been hoodwinked.

You've been bamboozled.

And because of the high

chief's word over the

tribal chief's word.

And that's when you get a

Civil War going into WrestleMania.

That's my thoughts, though.

As a CM Punk,

not trying to fantasy book here.

Just doing the pod.

All right, you know.

Just doing the pod.

One thing that I want to

discuss before we get out

of here today and enjoy our Father's Day,

big piece of chicken day,

steak on the grill day,

you know what I'm saying?

Or get some head from your baby mama day,

whatever.

Right.

If you would like to do today.

Yeah.

It's Father's Day.

So look,

one of the things that I've been

thinking about heavily that

I mentioned on the show

earlier today is

anticipation and the win.

See, Cody Rose and Cody Rose,

we've been anticipating for

two years that he would

finish the story and go

into another chapter.

And that's happened.

We've seen historically the

anticipation and then the

win and what may happen afterwards.

I am not in this group,

but there is a group of the

internet wrestling

community that feels like

that this Cody Rose win and

title run has been lackluster.

I am a story guy and I see

where the story is going.

There are other situations,

let's say Sami Zayn.

Some people felt like Sami

Zayn should have been in

that main event a couple of

years ago instead of Cody

Rhodes because of the story,

the anticipation of the story, right?

We even see it right now with Chad Gable.

People are anticipating the

win from him eventually,

but they are also

anticipating the turn of Otis.

And we've been down this Otis road before.

Yeah, man.

so there's that right there.

And when the anticipation is there,

people are invested.

But what happens when the win happens?

Do people lose interest?

This is like, you know, ooh, I finally hit,

well, peace, talk to you later.

Like, you know, wham, bam, thank you,

ma'am,

as they used to say in 90s talk shows.

Well, ma'am, thank you, ma'am.

Do you feel that the

anticipation of the story

where we at now in

wrestling is better than

the win to some of these folks?

Yeah, for sure.

For sure.

As being the guy that's

watched the company create moments,

know a lot of the moments

don't feel like moments

when it comes to the

matches unfortunately so no

I i agree with that I think

there is um there's a lot to be done

with these with these

matches and these finishes

and how they create moments

um super super real quick

um for me clash of the

castle uh clash at the

castle match of the night

to me was bailey versus

piper niven I thought and I

thought that that was a

great story being told

start to finish chelsea

green I'm into you I

thought that was a really

great uh show start to

finish and even with the

finish of that it was like

she piper lost very strong

at the crib and I think

that's important because

not only did it not seem

that bailey could just move

on to the next

And also let me know, Piper,

when that title between now

and WrestleMania, you can book that.

So this is something that

I've struggled with in

these last couple of days,

getting in the class of the castle.

And even when I look at the news around,

you know,

what some people are saying

around Cody Rhodes,

ain't this what you want it?

Let's be real.

Tell him again.

Tell him again.

Ain't this what you wanted?

This is what y'all wanted.

Y'all wanted Cody Rhodes to

win the championship.

Finish the story.

Finish the story.

Finish the story.

Don't change now.

It's a new chapter.

My only concern about the

Cody Rhodes thing was who they feed him.

And I've addressed that.

I felt like you have not put

his championship in danger.

I think Money in the Bank is

going to change that.

Money in the Bank is going

to officially put his title in danger.

Now you're going to be

anticipating when he's going to lose it,

not anything else.

Anytime Cody Rose wrestles somebody,

it's going to be in the

back of your mind that

insert wrestler here can

strike at any time.

And because of that,

I believe business is going to pick up.

I've also said that Cody's

title reign felt like

territorial title reigns.

Felt like the NWA champion, right?

Thoughts and feels.

Like I'm going to go to

Mid-South and defend it against...

junkyard dog and then I'm

gonna go to championship

wrestling from florida and

defend it against dusty and

then I'm gonna go to st

louis and defend it against

harley race and then I'm

gonna go to the midwest and

I'm gonna defend it against

nick bockwinkle and then

I'm gonna go to texas and

I'm going to defend it

against you know um carrie von eric

I'm going to go to

California and defend it

against classy Freddie Blassie.

I'm going to do all of these things.

And that's what it felt like to me,

even though he got AJ

Styles twice and this match

was an I Quit match.

He wasn't losing the I Quit match, y'all.

But I do like the lead up to it.

I do like the Mark Henry thing.

I do like the Good Brothers

holding security back and all of that.

But I would have loved to

saw the Good Brothers at

the I Quit match.

Man,

I thought that's what this was all about.

Right.

So, again,

he never felt like he was in

danger of losing the belt.

Yeah.

The only thing it felt like

to me is he's closer to

Homelander than he is Cody.

For sure.

American hero.

Because at the end of the match,

what did he do with the stairs?

That is unbecoming of Cody.

you pushed me to the edge

and now you got solo that's

might be under attack

that's why I believe it's

going to be a six-man tag

but I also believe that

solo needs to be a money in

a banker it doesn't even

matter because that is

really going to make us go

this might lose this oh he

going to his randy orton oh

he better be randy orton

because solo and then

waiting in the wings

I just think this is the

ultimate screwdriver if you get madrift.

So, yes,

I believe that the anticipation is

better than the win because

if you're just using sex, again,

as an example, you've been waiting to hit,

hit, hit, hit, hit,

and no matter if it's good or bad,

you know you can get it

again if you did what you

were supposed to.

I'm not going to anticipate

it the second time as much

as I did the first time,

unless I promise some nasty

shit the next time.

In this case,

the nasty shit is a gimmick match.

Hell in a Cell, Last Man Standing, I Quit,

a simple steel cage match,

Falls Count Anywhere,

a Judy Bagwell on the pole match,

whatever the fuck it is, right?

I just think that the internet,

this is why I don't listen

to the internet wrestling community.

Because you spend all of

that time talking about the

anticipation and less about

when it actually happens.

What's next?

So it proves to me that you

wasn't really invested in

the first place.

And that's what hinders

title reigns like Cody

Rhodes or Sami Zayn

Intercontinental Championship reign.

That's what it can.

But I'm going to use those

two as different examples.

and why I feel like what may

be the issue with Cody's rank.

I just told y'all I felt

like Cody was never in

danger of losing the belt.

You can't tell me that Sami

Zayn has not been in danger

of losing the belt.

You can't,

because I thought Chad Gable was

gonna win last night.

Hey man,

it was prime for it to be

something like that.

See,

I think we're officially telling this

story too long.

Yep.

Too long.

So yeah, with that, I was like,

so once he lost, one, let me,

I want to highlight two things.

What if AJ Styles would have

hit Mama Rose with that chair?

I would have went away.

I would have passed away if

he would have hit Mama Rose

with that chair when he got out there.

But two,

When I thought Maxine Dupree

was going to get haluvahed in the face,

and I was off of one of my

Vegas and my Matter watermelons,

oh my God,

the sensation through my body

of laughter coming my way.

I thought I was going to die

of just literal suffocation

from laughing so hard if

she would have got haluvahed in the face.

That did not happen.

But now that Chad Gable didn't win, hey,

we can wrap this up,

B. You need to either try

the triple German suplex Otis tomorrow.

Or y'all got to decide that

this ain't the way to go

and just be friends again

and start doing push-ups in

the back and ask for a tag

match against Awesome Truth or something.

Because this is done here.

And again, because it felt like a PLA,

what Bang was saying earlier.

And this story don't need to

be told too much longer.

Like,

what is the finish here at this point

is my question.

See, the finish is Otis now.

It goes back to the anticipation part.

Now I'm anticipating Otis

whipping his ass.

But I can tell you what I want.

I don't want Otis to whip his ass.

I want Otis to turn heel.

I told y'all this shit years ago.

Pandemic time.

Otis needs to be this generation's Vader.

Otis, we need to be scared of Otis.

I don't want Otis to be the

happy-go-lucky fat guy with

the blonde on his side.

I don't want Otis and Mandy Rose.

I want Otis to be mean, nasty,

and show up for Dahomey,

and Dahomey is now the

Intercontinental Champion.

That's what I want for Otis.

I don't want Otis to be the, yes, yeah,

yeah, Otis, well, no.

I want Otis to eventually

look at Sami Zayn,

preferably tomorrow night, and say,

fuck it, Chad is right.

And give that man five Vader

bombs after Chad Gable wins the belt.

I want to say something real quick,

though.

I do want to kick it with

Otis in real life.

Because for whatever reason

that they doing this,

I don't know if it's a rib or what.

I don't know.

But they keep him with a bad

blonde on these damn

programs and these stories.

He ain't missed yet.

And clearly, the thing is,

Otis is definitely going to

protect the bad blind, and they're going.

So I don't know.

They say a lot of these

storylines and things that

they develop and these

nuances are hidden in truth.

We need to put a camera on damn Otis,

and we need to get him on

Hulu or somewhere,

because I got to see what's up, bruh.

And we all do.

And the crazy thing is Maxine Dupri,

she could be right along with him.

Sure.

She could be right along with him.

She could get her Medusa

Dangerous Alliance on.

Get her turned out.

She'd be like, look,

I can't really wrestle,

but I can gouge your eyes

and slap the shit out you

and hit you with my heel

like Sensational Sherry

used to or something.

Yeah.

Like she could take off that

ankle boot and smack

somebody upside the head

with it and be like, yeah,

that can happen.

We could do all this anticipation.

We could do all this anticipating.

And then we find out that

it's going to go in a way

that we don't expect it to go.

Because I can tell y'all right now,

everybody is expecting Chad

Gable to get his ass

whooped by Otis soon enough.

Otis can literally grab dude

by the neck and be like,

I'm tired of you doing that shit.

Enough is enough.

And then turn around and

beat the shit out of Sami Zayn.

And then look at Maxine Dupri.

And she goes from scared

to... And then they just

start whooping Sami Zayn's ass.

And then Michael Cole be like, what?

Huh?

You son of a bitch.

The anticipation is headed

in one direction,

but we change it and go to another.

And you don't have to get a

Chad Gable versus Otis feud,

which it feels like will,

depending on how this goes,

a mess around and be the

second most anticipated

match at SummerSlam if you

listen to the crowd.

Yeah, that's true.

But the nuance that I want

the crowd to pay attention to is, hey,

when Otis did the right

thing that was wrong,

Gable told him how much he

loved him and kissed on him.

I don't know if that's how

you want to be celebrated for doing bad,

but that's what happened.

So with that said,

the switch could be always to be like,

you know what?

When I'm killing shit, he cool.

Maybe that's what I need to do.

And I'm here for that, too, to be honest.

As long as the elevation is

Otis and him getting back

to where he got left off

about two years ago now, two,

three years ago now,

I'm honestly with it.

I can't front.

I just don't.

I'm not here.

Let me just say this.

I'm just not here for face Otis.

Not.

Because you're not going to

put any title or anything on them.

So what's the fucking point?

Yeah.

Like just to be a celebrated fat guy?

As a fat guy, no, I'm straight.

You know what us fat guys want to do?

Beat the shit out of people

a lot of times.

That's what we're here for.

I don't want to be the lovable fat guy.

I want to be the fat guy that you fear.

in wrestling.

No, I'm straight on that.

Jake the Snake Roberts never

held a major title,

but he was more over than

99.9% of the roster.

And you liked him in some cases,

and you feared him in some cases.

Choose which Jake the Snake

you like better.

But I can tell you now,

When he had the ultimate

warrior going through that snake pick,

I was scared for ultimate warrior.

Yeah.

Bring me alive, snake man.

Choose which one you want to be, Otis.

I'd rather you be the

destroyer and not the lovable guy.

Be Vader.

Be Bam Bam Bigelow.

Be awesome.

All right, man, before we get out of here,

Money in the Bank next month in Toronto.

I know I've talked about Solo.

Ladies and gentlemen,

Solo is not going to be my

pick for somebody who

should win Money in the Bank.

Spoiler alert, he is my pick to win it.

But who should be Money in the Bank?

If you're looking at the Raw

roster and you see the

person who benefits the most

and being the money in the bank,

who is that person for you?

So looking just specifically

at the raw roster, raw or SmackDown,

raw or SmackDown or NXT shit.

Yeah.

I forgot about that.

Um, man,

the person that would benefit the

most at this moment from, uh,

Money in the Bank or Money to Make Win,

as far as the guys go.

I'm trying not to be too

wildcardish because there

is a lot going on.

But you know what?

Since the title is taking some turns,

I'm going to say Dominic Mysterio.

I'm going to say Dominic Mysterio.

Liv, I'm into what you're doing.

I'm into that.

I've met girls like you.

I'm into that.

Dominic Mysterio.

Yeah, yeah.

But they're also, though, you know what?

Both of my picks are Judgment Day picks.

I'm sorry.

This is where I want to go.

Finn Balor or Dominic Mysterio.

And I say those guys won

because we still haven't

got what we were supposed

to get out of Montez Ford,

and I don't understand completely why.

But also,

I think it just speaks to how

over the Judgment Day is and was,

even without Rhea.

And now that one member has

already won the title,

and there's obviously going

to be the reason why they

break up at the end of the day.

I can't think of two other

guys that are legit

passions that's going to

cause a shockwave, positive or negative,

than Finn Balor and Dominic

Mysterio right now.

What about on the women's side?

Women... See, this is interesting.

Because...

It's a gap in that women's

division that ain't really close.

So,

let me just give you what I think is

going to happen.

This is my early prediction.

Because I can tell you right now,

it's only one person on my

list for the women's side.

And I'm probably,

and this might be spoiler alert for y'all,

but...

Especially after what

happened at Clash of the Castle.

You can't tell me Jade ain't

winning Money in the Bank now.

You just can't.

Because at the end of the day,

fuck what we say.

And she got a year.

You know what I mean?

They would have her win that

Money in the Bank contract and get better

buy the Royal Rumble,

which would be her one-year mark,

and she could cash in whenever.

She literally got till next

summer to be worthy enough.

And they've done it before.

They've picked the girl that

was on the fence

wrestling-wise to win the

Money in the Bank.

C. Mella is money.

The damn...

Liv Morgan.

They've done this.

I think the only choice at

this moment is Jay Cargill.

We disagree.

I think the only choice for

Money in the Bank is Tiffany Stratton.

I think the Money in the

Bank is made for her.

The Money in the Bank is not

about who's going to win the belt.

It's about who is going to

win a briefcase.

Now, of course,

the majority of the time

who wins the briefcase wins money.

But when I look at where I

expect Tiffany Stratton to be,

I expect her and Charlotte

Flair to have a program as

soon as she gets back.

That's easy.

that's easy.

When she finally gets the belt,

Charlotte comes out and be like,

all right,

let me go get it off the young bitch.

I think she mean.

And let me show her who I am.

And then I win another world championship.

Yada, yada, yada.

I don't think there's no

reason at all to put it on

anybody else but Tiffany Stratton.

I love that pick too, by the way.

And I understand the Jay

thing because if you listen

to what I said earlier,

it's right in line.

The Money in the Bank is

basically a mid-card title

until you put it on.

You grab the world championship,

so I get it.

Yeah.

But Tiffany, yeah, you, yeah, yeah.

Because she got it.

Yeah, she got it.

Now, for the men,

I was thinking about this a lot.

I was thinking,

could they give it to CM Punk?

And he's like, you know,

the first three-time Money

in the Bank winner is

Could they put it on

somebody young like Melo?

Could they put it on a Jey Uso type?

But who will be elevated if

they become the money in the bank winner?

So I'm gonna think out the box here.

And who would be elevated

if they win the money in the

bank and this might

surprise some people but

ludwig kaiser yo that's my

man even though my guy jay

dunn said some comments I

can't say on this live

stream about my man kaiser but hey

That's my guy, though.

Talking about elevating

somebody and somebody who

in the last couple of weeks

have been seen in a great light.

Ludwig winning the money in

the bank and going through

having the belt would be great TV.

It would be tension in Imperium.

Because it's like, yo,

my man's going to try to go

over me at any minute now.

But then they hold all of the cards.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, but pure getting somebody over,

I don't think it's no

better choice than Ludwig Hazen.

Hey, listen, man.

I like it.

I like it.

I love it.

I love it.

I've been a fan ever since

he tried to slur Maxine

Dupree out on national TV.

Like, yo, what are you hanging with them?

You like these dusty,

big-headed fat niggas?

Or you want to get with Imperium?

You see what we're doing out

here with the suits and all that?

You see we got the champ?

You know what I mean?

And the funny thing about

that is I picked the two that's dating.

Like, that's the...

I picked it to this day.

Now, somebody might be like,

why not Jey Uso?

I don't think Jey Uso need that bitch.

Yeah, no.

No, no, no.

I think Melo was too early.

Yeah.

Jey's had too many chances, too,

by the way.

Yeah.

He don't need the money.

And I think if him winning

the belt and the money in

the bank sway would cheapen it for him.

He does not need to win it in that way.

Yeah.

Yeah, nah.

Matter of fact,

just speaking more to your point, man,

we got to salute Jey Uso to

being the superstar that

got built during the Roman

Reigns era that nobody expected.

You think about where wrestling was when

Roman Reigns won that title

at SummerSlam and who we knew was next.

Like, we knew it.

Like, yo, once they get the run,

they get this, we gone.

Jey Uso was nowhere in that

conversation at all.

And look where we are.

So, man, salute to Jey Uso.

But, yeah,

that's why I wouldn't put him in

Money in the Bank.

He's the one guy.

He's the one guy that really

got his shit poppin'.

by losing like and and just

being unexpected like dom

was over because of his

pops even though he took it

to a new level but it's

still his pops but jay no

jay did that and he did

that by himself man we

gotta salute that yeah all

right man before we get out

of here any garin damn t's

Yeah,

I'm just going to go back to

something I said earlier in the show.

My guarantee is that Piper

Niven definitely becomes a

Women's World Champion by WrestleMania.

I really, again,

match of the night for me

was Bayley versus Piper.

They did an excellent job.

That was the hardest hitting

match of that night too, by the way,

if y'all just go back and

check out some of that.

Yes, it was.

And those girls got busy.

So, yeah, I'll stick there today.

We'll show the ladies some

love because we always got

to love the ladies.

Yeah, Piper Niven, women's champ.

And that's not saying that

she'll necessarily go over on Bailey.

But, you know,

you know how they do trades

and acquisitions and all of

a sudden you can just twist

your ankle and end up on

Raw the next day.

I don't know.

You know what I'm saying?

Hey, if she didn't have money in the bank,

then damn.

FBC told you first,

but that's my guarantee for this week.

My guarantee is that we're

going to be overwhelmed

tomorrow night when Dwight Six debuts.

We're talking about anticipation, right?

I agree with Kent.

I don't need Dexter Loomis in this group.

I don't need...

I don't need... Even though

I'm a fan of Joe Gacy,

I don't need Joe Gacy in this group.

Nah.

I'm a fan of Nikki Cross,

but I don't need Nikki

Cross in this group.

You know who I need in this group, though?

Eric Rowan.

Man, listen.

That's it.

Yeah.

That's who I need in this group.

And because of the people

that are involved,

that's why it's going to be

underwhelming.

I think whether...

I've said on this show,

I always thought that Bo Dallas,

Taylor Rotunda should have

been a part of the Wyatt family.

I believe that even during this time,

he was an underused talent.

I've been a fan of Bo Dallas's NXT.

When he got to the WWE, I was like, yo,

they need to make this

Boliv character a little

bit more deranged instead

of happy-go-lucky.

So I am excited.

Let me first say,

I am excited for tomorrow,

Monday Night Raw.

We record on Sunday.

So I'm excited for him.

And I'm not trying to sound

like a lame or nothing like that.

But he lost his brother.

And I can't help but to feel

a bit of emotion for him, too,

being in this prime spot.

And his brother's not here

to see it or be a part of

it because he was a part of

that before the health turn

of his brother and then his

untimely passing.

But I don't need anything

else from anybody else but

a rotunda and Eric Rowan.

And that's why I'm nervous

about this debut.

I like the lead up.

I think these vignettes are

a bit more scarier,

a bit more weirder and

deranged and all of that.

I'm sure he's not going to

be wrestling with the Uncle

Howdy mask and all of that.

I ain't worried about that.

I'm just worried about the

people that's going to be

involved in this with him.

And not that they're not good people.

Sometimes it's just too many

people around.

Sometimes you just need to keep it simple.

I don't want this to become the flock.

Right.

I got you.

I want this to be straight,

However he's billed, Bo Dallas,

Taylor Rotunda.

I want this to be a launching pad for him.

And my man who's been here through it all,

Eric Rowan, is back.

Yeah.

And we're about to do our thing.

If the first person that

they attack is Jey Uso, even better.

Because the Fireflies have

been out anytime he does his thing.

But I don't need six people

circling the ring.

Well, excuse me,

five people circling the ring.

Or four people and Bo is at

the end of the ramp waiting

for them to attack.

I don't need that.

I need Bo, Taylor,

Harvey's build to do his thing with Eric,

only none else.

And that's why I feel like

it's going to be a bit underwhelming.

I agree with what you're saying,

but to just add a couple

more additions that I'm okay with.

I don't care if it's Rowan, Bliss,

and Braun.

With Bo.

That's it for me.

Um,

cause I don't think you need Randy Orton.

I think, I think, man,

if you're going to do this

Wyatt six thing, it should come,

it should culminate into

everybody that was actually

a part of the story.

I just,

I just feel that it should be that way.

Like don't discredit the

people that literally

watched Bray Wyatt become

Bray Wyatt and what was

happening after that.

I think that's important.

So, you know, um,

so with that underwhelmed,

I could see it.

Um, Hey man, make us wrong.

That's really all I got.

Yeah.

Yeah, Makers Raw.

Oh, they out?

They been released?

Oh, nah.

They sold out.

Damn.

I would have spent the money on them.

The Deion Sanders shoes back.

Oh, shit.

Like the OG Falcon joints?

Yeah, the DT Max.

Nice.

Damn.

I missed that one.

Shit.

All right, man.

Look.

great show thank you all for

tuning in um for getting

all of the fathers that

listen to the show happy

father's day for people the

uncles the grandfathers the

cousins the stepfathers the

the the mentors um you are

all appreciated happy big

piece of chicken for you

too single mama stay out

the chats y'all have

mother's day this is about us

Nobody chose your baby daddy but you.

So instead of trying to take

credit on Father's Day,

think back at the mistake

that you made by picking

the baby daddy that you did.

You should not let him nut in you.

But accept the blessing that you do have,

which is a amazing child,

if that child is amazing.

But today ain't your day.

Today is our day.

as camp's shirt says

acknowledge your daddy

please do today on father's

day camp the floor is yours

you know and also hey

listen man um we want to

spend a special shout out

to all of you men that may

fall under those umbrellas

um that are just trying to

be dads but you not as fly

with the moms because just

a leading piggybacking

right off of what bang said

They're making everything

about themselves.

But you know you're putting in the work.

You know you're trying hard.

I'm going to leave you with

some words that my cousins,

Spike and Vero,

had said to me a few months ago, actually,

a couple months ago maybe.

Never get tired of doing the right thing.

So to all of you men that

are trying to be the best

fathers that you can be, man,

we salute to y'all, man.

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