participantOne:(6600-7420): Infamous Indy.
participantTwo:(6660-7440): Infamous Indy.
participantOne:(7420-14500): Presents the digging up deliver project featuring, the Texas crime travelers and Travis Thompson I'm.
participantTwo:(7440-9360): Presents the digging up deliver contra.
participantTwo:(10400-14080): Featuring, the Texas crime travelers in Travis Thompson.
participantTwo:(14260-15080): I'm, your host.
participantOne:(14500-15080): Your host.
participantTwo:(18640-22620): In the annals of American crime few figures with them as large as John.
participantOne:(18670-21210): In the annals of American crime few figures.
participantOne:(21210-25230): Loom as large as John builder a mastermind bank Heights.
participantTwo:(23480-25260): A mastermind bank Heights.
participantOne:(25270-31990): His name became synonymous with brazen robberies and daring escapes questions of whether he escape an FBI.
participantTwo:(25300-31960): His name became synonymous brazen robberies and daring escapes questions of whether he escape an FBI.
participantTwo:(31960-35540): Ambush and the whereabouts of his buried loop persevere.
participantOne:(31990-35730): Ambush and the whereabouts of his buried loop persevere.
participantOne:(36530-38350): History offers one account.
participantTwo:(36670-38330): History offers one account.
participantTwo:(38430-40330): But there are whispers that tell us money.
participantOne:(38530-40690): But there are whispers that tell us anymore.
participantTwo:(41720-44880): Join us as we go digging up cylinder.
participantOne:(41730-44570): Join us as we go digging up cylinder.
participantTwo:(47040-47260): .
participantTwo:(49880-53480): Hey, everybody welcome to the first ever digging up builder.
participantOne:(49880-53480): Hey, everybody welcome to the first ever digging up builder.
participantTwo:(53520-54500): Podcast I'm.
participantOne:(53520-54500): Podcast I'm.
participantOne:(54500-55560): Your host, Joe Miller.
participantTwo:(54500-57140): Your host, Joe Villa and with me today.
participantOne:(55960-57140): And with me today.
participantOne:(57180-61660): I have the three main players from the that you're gonna hear every week.
participantTwo:(57180-61620): I have the three main players from the that you're gonna hear every week.
participantTwo:(61840-63240): We're really excited to bring this to.
participantOne:(61840-63240): We're really excited to bring this to.
participantTwo:(63240-64360): I can't even tell you how excited.
participantOne:(63240-64360): I can't even tell you how excited.
participantTwo:(64360-67500): We are we're literally the excitement on these calls.
participantOne:(64360-67500): We are we're literally the excitement on these calls.
participantTwo:(67500-72460): We've been calling each other for the last couple weeks really getting down into it and you guys are gonna love it and enjoy it.
participantOne:(67500-72460): We've been calling each other for the last couple weeks really getting down into it and you guys are gonna love it and enjoy it.
participantOne:(72500-74820): So first, let me introduce everybody.
participantTwo:(72500-74820): So first, let me introduce everybody.
participantOne:(74960-77180): Let me let me introduce Travis Thompson.
participantTwo:(74960-77180): Let me let me introduce Travis Thompson.
participantTwo:(77180-77460): He's.
participantOne:(77180-77460): He's.
participantOne:(77460-79800): The great nephew of John .
participantTwo:(77460-79800): The great nephew of John .
participantTwo:(80220-86520): He is I mean to have blood of John villager on the podcast is insanity we're.
participantOne:(80220-86520): He is I mean to have blood of John villager on the podcast is insanity we're.
participantTwo:(86520-87180): So excited.
participantOne:(86520-87180): So excited.
participantTwo:(87180-92280): Travis what's up, man you're wearing Yankee, hat tube to what's up dude.
participantOne:(87180-92280): Travis what's up, man you're wearing Yankee, hat tube to what's up dude.
participantOne:(93980-94240): I'm.
participantTwo:(94040-94240): I'm.
participantOne:(94240-97000): Good, how you doing we're having a little .
participantTwo:(94240-97000): Good, how you doing we're having a little .
participantTwo:(97000-98980): Good little technical difficulties.
participantOne:(97000-98980): Good little technical difficulties.
participantOne:(98980-103020): But we're right we're moving, right through Travis to tell me about.
participantTwo:(98980-103020): But we're right we're moving, right through Travis to tell me about.
participantTwo:(103060-106140): Um, you know, you unlimited your family.
participantOne:(103060-106140): Um, you know, you unlimited your family.
participantTwo:(106140-109100): So you've you've, kind of grew up with this.
participantOne:(106140-109100): So you've you've, kind of grew up with this.
participantTwo:(109180-109600): How are you?
participantOne:(109180-109600): How are you?
participantOne:(109640-111180): Why are you excited for the pockets?
participantTwo:(109640-111180): Why are you excited for the pockets?
participantOne:(112520-115760): Well, I'm extremely excited to finally.
participantTwo:(112520-115760): Well, I'm extremely excited to finally.
participantTwo:(115800-124700): Um, take this project by the horns and do this on our own without a production company or Hollywood or um, you know someone else's ideas.
participantOne:(115800-124700): Um, take this project by the horns and do this on our own without a production company or Hollywood or um, you know someone else's ideas.
participantOne:(124740-131600): I I'd really like that's gonna be from our words people who've put blood flattened tears into this and bring it to the public.
participantTwo:(124740-131600): I I'd really like that's gonna be from our words people who've put blood flattened tears into this and bring it to the public.
participantTwo:(131920-133980): Um, growing up with Graham.
participantOne:(131920-133980): Um, growing up with Graham.
participantOne:(133980-136600): All stories and seeing John's picture on the manual.
participantTwo:(133980-136600): All stories and seeing John's picture on the manual.
participantTwo:(137910-145250): Really got me interested in now finally we have seeking historical breakthrough with the document.
participantOne:(137970-145250): Really got me interested now finally we have seen the historical breakthrough with the document.
participantTwo:(145250-157310): We found on the farm and the the documents that Stewart's put together that shows that their possibility it might not been John that was killed 1934 that's, right that's, right.
participantOne:(145250-151470): We found on the farm and the the documents that Stewart put together that show that.
participantOne:(152670-156910): Possibility for that's, right.
participantOne:(156950-157310): That's, right.
participantTwo:(157310-166210): We got two conspiracies that we're gonna be looking into and and Travis talked about Stewart and so we're, gonna talk to retired FBI agent Stewart Fillmore.
participantOne:(157310-166530): We got two conspiracies that we're gonna be looking into and and Travis talked about Stewart and so we're, gonna talk to retired FBI agent Stewart Fillmore.
participantOne:(166690-171090): He put together one of these reports that Travis just mentioned Stewart.
participantTwo:(166790-171090): He put together one of these reports that Travis just mentioned Stewart.
participantTwo:(171090-171830): Welcome to .
participantOne:(171090-171830): Welcome to .
participantOne:(171830-172710): So excited.
participantTwo:(171830-172710): So excited.
participantOne:(172990-174170): Huge fan of you.
participantTwo:(172990-174170): Huge fan of you.
participantTwo:(174210-175850): [laughter].
participantOne:(174210-175510): [laughter].
participantOne:(175880-178100): Well, I'm, just so happy to be here.
participantTwo:(175890-178110): Well, I'm, just so happy to be here.
participantOne:(178100-179360): This is so much fun to me.
participantTwo:(178110-179350): This is so much fun to me.
participantTwo:(179350-183190): I can't tell you, you know, I was, um, I was about nine years old.
participantOne:(179360-183220): I can't tell you, you know, I was, um, I was about nine years old.
participantTwo:(183250-184790): Uh in 1973.
participantOne:(183260-184800): Uh in 1973.
participantTwo:(184790-187050): When the deliver the movie?
participantOne:(184800-187040): When the deliver the movie?
participantOne:(187040-189120): Injury came out starting Warren oaks.
participantTwo:(187050-189010): Came out starting Warren oaks.
participantTwo:(189540-195660): Um, I can't believe that my parents actually took me to the movie to see this because it was fairly violent for it's day.
participantOne:(189580-195340): Um, I can't believe that my parents actually took me to the movie to see this because it was fairly violent for today.
participantTwo:(196040-202940): Um, but I was just fascinated by the look of the that 19 thirties look with the cars.
participantOne:(196040-202900): Um, but I was just fascinated by the look of the that 19 thirties look with the cars.
participantOne:(202940-203720): The Thompson.
participantTwo:(202980-203720): The Thompson.
participantTwo:(203720-204900): Submachine gowns.
participantOne:(203720-204900): Submachine GANs.
participantTwo:(204900-205460): The Browning.
participantOne:(204900-205460): The Browning.
participantOne:(205460-213860): Automatic rifles, the suits the hearts that whole gaster error just fascinated me and deliver there.
participantTwo:(205460-213860): Automatic rifles, the suits the hearts that whole gaster error just fascinated me and deliver there.
participantOne:(213860-222600): There's, just a there was a certain Christmas certain celebrity about deliver that just a entrance me.
participantTwo:(213860-222620): There's, just a there there was a certain Christmas certain celebrity about deliver that just a entrance me.
participantOne:(222640-224140): Uh, you know, as a little boy.
participantTwo:(222660-224220): Uh, you know, as a little boy.
participantOne:(224590-242250): Um, I I've always kind of been drawn to gangsters and gunfighters anyway, but the, but but deliver for some reason really stuck out of my mind and so I you know, uh, you know, and then I grow up and then I get in the FBI and I actually, I was in the Chicago mpi office for three years.
participantTwo:(224640-242240): Um, I I've always kind of been drawn to gangsters and gunfighters anyway, but the, but but deliver for some reason really stuck out of my mind and so I you know, uh, you know, and then I grow up and then I get in the FBI and I actually, I was in the Chicago FBI office for three years.
participantTwo:(242910-244890): Uh, so I saw you know when I was there.
participantOne:(242910-244890): Uh, so I saw you know when I was there.
participantOne:(244890-251370): I went by, I saw all the old villager sites to see that you know that are there the bar graph feeder and all that stuff.
participantTwo:(244890-251370): I went by, I saw all the old villager sites to see that you know that are there the bar graph feeder and all that stuff.
participantOne:(252070-254830): So you know in a few in 2018.
participantTwo:(252070-254830): So you know in a few in 2018.
participantTwo:(254870-259750): I was lucky enough to get involved in a project with the Travis and his dad, Mike Thompson.
participantOne:(254870-259750): I was lucky enough to get involved in a project with the Travis and his dad, Mike Thompson.
participantOne:(260480-279760): Uh, where we're gonna go try to find villagers lute and, uh, it's some of the known or and also unknown hideouts of of the delivery game and you know, symbolically return this money and kind of maybe at help the family atone for the, you know, the the sins of a of a relative back in the day.
participantTwo:(260480-279760): Uh, where we're gonna go try to find villagers lute and, uh, it's some of the known or and also unknown hideouts of of the delivery game and you know, symbolically return this money and kind of maybe at help the family atone for the, you know, the the sins of a of a relative back in the day.
participantOne:(280150-282110): I thought it was a really cool idea.
participantTwo:(280150-282110): I thought it was a really cool idea.
participantOne:(282330-284950): And long behold, right off the back.
participantTwo:(282330-284950): And long behold, right off the back.
participantOne:(284950-289210): The first maybe I I think it probably the second day of filming.
participantTwo:(284950-289230): The first maybe I I think it probably the second day of filming.
participantOne:(289410-297070): We actually find a legitimate part a fact that to this day is still a mystery.
participantTwo:(289410-297070): We actually find a legitimate part a fact that to this day is still a mystery.
participantTwo:(297070-305120): It's still very much a part of the story that needs to be told, uh, we've done some testing on it.
participantOne:(297070-305120): It's still very much a part of the story that needs to be told, uh, we've done some testing on it.
participantTwo:(305160-315800): Uh, but you know, I think there's some there's a code to this thing and it's really an untold part of the delicious story that that we wanna get out there.
participantOne:(305160-315800): Uh, but you know, I think there's some there's a code to this thing and it's really an untold part of the delicious story that that we wanna get out there.
participantOne:(315800-317700): And let everybody know about.
participantTwo:(315800-317700): And let everybody know about.
participantTwo:(318220-322900): Yeah, we're not we're, not we're, not lacking for intrigued.
participantOne:(318220-322900): Yeah, we're not we're, not we're, not lacking for intrigued.
participantTwo:(323120-325520): This is a very interesting.
participantOne:(323120-325520): This is a very interesting.
participantOne:(326690-328710): Travis mentioned some document.
participantTwo:(326690-328710): Travis mentioned some document.
participantTwo:(328710-332030): You're meant mentioning artifact I'm, assuming those are the same thing.
participantOne:(328710-332030): You're mentioning an artifact I'm assuming those are the same thing.
participantTwo:(332070-332770): Listen folks.
participantOne:(332070-332770): Listen folks.
participantOne:(332810-335090): Just chill we're gonna get there.
participantTwo:(332810-335070): Just chill we're gonna get there.
participantTwo:(335110-342850): We were promised we're gonna get there, but we gotta get through the team and the final part is the second half of the Texas crime travelers.
participantOne:(335130-342810): We were promised we're gonna get there, but we gotta get through the team and the final part is the second half of the Texas crime travelers.
participantOne:(342850-343730): Their found on .
participantTwo:(342890-343730): Their found on .
participantOne:(343730-349490): They have their own podcast Stewart and Todd, Hiles Todd, is a retired secret service agent.
participantTwo:(343730-349310): They have their own podcast Stewart and Todd, Hiles Todd, is a retired secret service agent.
participantOne:(350310-352630): Got 33.
participantTwo:(350370-354790): Got 33 a law enforcement agency, huh.
participantOne:(352670-356130): Uh, a law enforcement agent on the screen right now.
participantTwo:(354910-356070): On the screen, right now.
participantOne:(356730-357230): .
participantTwo:(357150-359010): Surrounded.
participantOne:(358330-359010): Surrounded.
participantTwo:(359150-364990): I know and I got a you know, former reporter here or retired reporter.
participantOne:(359150-364990): I know, and I got a you know, former reporter here or retired reporter.
participantOne:(364990-365930): Can I say that guys?
participantTwo:(364990-365930): Can I say that guys?
participantTwo:(365970-368930): Can I say I'm a retired TV reporter [laughter]?
participantOne:(365970-368970): Can I say I'm a retired TV reporter [laughter]?
participantTwo:(368970-371630): Sure, go ahead, but God we're.
participantOne:(369010-371630): Sure, go ahead, but God we're.
participantTwo:(371630-374210): Excited to have you on the bypass your expertise.
participantOne:(371630-374210): Excited to have you on the bypass your expertise.
participantOne:(374210-378820): Your knowledge and really the the Canary in the tunnel in the coal.
participantTwo:(374210-378820): Your knowledge and really the the Canary in the tunnel in the coal.
participantTwo:(378820-381840): Mine as we say we're excited to have you.
participantOne:(378820-381840): Mine as we say we're excited to have you.
participantOne:(381840-385500): So tell a little television or listeners a little bit about yourself.
participantTwo:(381840-385500): So tell a little television or listeners a little bit about yourself.
participantTwo:(385860-395330): Well, um, again, I retired from us secret service and I had the a great opportunity that I got to work with Stewart when he was in the FBI.
participantOne:(385860-395330): Well, um, again, I retired from us secret service and I had the a great opportunity that I got to work with Stewart when he was in the FBI.
participantTwo:(395390-402030): We work some cases together a we're, both retired around the same time we were both private investigators together.
participantOne:(395390-402030): We work some cases together a we're, both retired around the same time we were both private investigators together.
participantTwo:(402030-413580): Working cases and like you said we're, the Texas crime travelers and we have a podcast called back in crime where we talked about a cases that we worked and some that we wish we had worked [laughter].
participantOne:(402030-413580): Working cases and like you said we're, the Texas crime travelers and we have a podcast called back in crime where we talked about a cases that we worked and some that we wish we had worked [laughter].
participantOne:(413620-424040): Um, but so throughout all this, you know, to me deliver the, you know, the capture of him really put federal law enforcement on the map.
participantTwo:(413620-424040): Um, but so throughout all this, you know, to me deliver the, you know, the capture of him really put federal law enforcement on the map.
participantOne:(424620-429340): Um, that that was the big thing that you know the G man, everything came out of that.
participantTwo:(424620-429340): Um, that that was the big thing that you know the G man, everything came out of that.
participantTwo:(429620-432060): Um, and now hang around Stewart.
participantOne:(429620-432060): Um, and now hang around Stewart.
participantOne:(432060-433480): So much a.
participantTwo:(432060-433480): So much a.
participantOne:(435000-435840): And hearing him.
participantTwo:(435000-435840): And hearing him.
participantTwo:(435840-442180): Talk about this diligent project that he's been working on and then you know, getting the invitation to come over here.
participantOne:(435840-442180): Talk about this diligent project that he's been working on and then you know, getting the invitation to come over here.
participantOne:(442380-451240): Um, you know, I think I've probably had krimmel investigations over the last 30 years that I've worked and sometimes when you close the case.
participantTwo:(442380-451240): Um, you know, I think I've probably had krimmel investigations over the last 30 years that I've worked and sometimes when you close the case.
participantOne:(451300-454760): There's, some type of a case review that goes through it to make sure the files right.
participantTwo:(451300-454760): There's, some type of a case review that goes through it to make sure the files right.
participantTwo:(454760-460890): And everything's in there and sometimes we have a supervisor and he's always say you know, don't close this case yet.
participantOne:(454760-460890): And everything's in there and sometimes we have a supervisor and he's always say you know, don't close this case yet.
participantTwo:(460890-463310): You know, go talk to the witness again or something like that.
participantOne:(460890-463310): You know, go talk to the witness again or something like that.
participantOne:(463390-467510): And I always talk about there's meet on the bone and the way.
participantTwo:(463390-467510): And I always talk about there's meet on the bone and the way.
participantTwo:(468330-469270): Stewart presents.
participantOne:(468330-469270): Stewart presents.
participantTwo:(469270-469990): This to me.
participantOne:(469270-469990): This to me.
participantOne:(470030-472090): He's like there was some meat on this phone.
participantTwo:(470050-472090): He's like there was some meat on this phone.
participantTwo:(472130-472450): There's.
participantOne:(472130-472450): There's.
participantOne:(472450-477510): Some more investigations to do you know this case, shouldn't have been closed and so here we are.
participantTwo:(472450-477510): Some more investigations to do you know this case, shouldn't have been closed and so here we are.
participantTwo:(478270-481280): We're hungry .
participantOne:(478270-481280): We're hungry .
participantOne:(481340-483000): Some of that Texas barbecue.
participantTwo:(481340-483000): Some of that Texas barbecue.
participantOne:(483040-489300): So Travis and I are located in Indiana Stewart and told you guys are both in Texas, right.
participantTwo:(483040-489300): So Travis and I are located in Indiana Stewart and told you guys are both in Texas, right.
participantOne:(489480-490440): We are in Texas.
participantTwo:(489480-490440): We are in Texas.
participantTwo:(490440-492160): Yes, cool cool.
participantOne:(490440-492160): Yes, cool cool.
participantOne:(492200-494300): So, um, that's that's.
participantTwo:(492200-494300): So, um, that's that's.
participantOne:(494300-496020): The three team a little bit about myself.
participantTwo:(494300-496020): The three team a little bit about myself.
participantOne:(496060-497000): I'm Joe, blow.
participantTwo:(496060-497000): I'm Joe, blow.
participantTwo:(497060-502860): I I used to work as a TV reporter for about 10 years and then have since retired from broadcast television.
participantOne:(497080-502860): I I used to work as a TV reporter for about 10 years and then have since retired from broadcast television.
participantOne:(502980-505560): I have a podcast called infamous, Indy it's.
participantTwo:(502980-505560): I have a podcast called infamous, Indy it's.
participantTwo:(505560-507840): All based on true crime in Indiana.
participantOne:(505560-507840): All based on true crime in Indiana.
participantOne:(508080-511440): Uh, I've taken $0 for that.
participantTwo:(508080-511440): Uh, I've taken $0 for that.
participantOne:(511500-514440): Because I think it's important as a journalist.
participantTwo:(511500-514440): Because I think it's important as a journalist.
participantOne:(514440-516740): Perspective to allow the voices.
participantTwo:(514440-516740): Perspective to allow the voices.
participantTwo:(516740-518840): That of the people that I interview to be heard.
participantOne:(516740-518840): That of the people that I interview to be heard.
participantOne:(518880-521920): So from you know, you guys have a very law enforcement.
participantTwo:(518880-521920): So from you know, you guys have a very law enforcement.
participantTwo:(521920-523640): Mine I've very journalistic brink, right.
participantOne:(521920-523640): Mine I've very journalistic brink, right.
participantTwo:(523640-534020): Like I want to make sure that the stories told in a certain way that sources are source or a you know, a credited and ultimately, we get the right story and the truth.
participantOne:(523640-534020): Like I want to make sure that the stories told in a certain way that sources are source or a you know, a credited and ultimately, we get the right story and the truth.
participantOne:(534020-535140): So, we're both we're.
participantTwo:(534020-535140): So, we're both we're.
participantTwo:(535140-536380): All after the truth.
participantOne:(535140-536380): All after the truth.
participantTwo:(536600-541760): I mean, essentially that's, why I think we're all kind of friends is that we're in this project together.
participantOne:(536620-541760): I mean, essentially that's, why I think we're all kind of friends is that we're in this project together.
participantOne:(541760-547440): So with that set let's let's, get a little housekeeping going for our listeners.
participantTwo:(541760-547440): So with that set let's let's, get a little housekeeping going for our listeners.
participantTwo:(547480-548880): I wanna go over a couple things.
participantOne:(547480-548880): I wanna go over a couple things.
participantTwo:(548880-549900): I'm gonna make it really quick.
participantOne:(548880-549880): I'm gonna make it really quick.
participantOne:(549880-554100): And then we can all kind of chat about the podcast as a whole and why we're doing it in.
participantTwo:(549900-554100): And we can all kind of chat about the podcast as a whole and why we're doing it in.
participantOne:(554690-566230): Uh, the first and foremost, I think the reason that we're here and and the number one reason that we're here is we've tried to get this story told there are two conspiracies.
participantTwo:(554690-566230): Uh, the first and foremost, I think the reason that we're here and and the number one reason that we're here is we've tried to get this story told there are two conspiracies.
participantOne:(566710-570430): What happened, John villager in 1934?
participantTwo:(566750-570430): What happened, John villager in 1934?
participantOne:(570430-574030): July 22nd 1930 for the bar graph there was he killed.
participantTwo:(570430-574030): July 22nd 1930 for the bar graph there was he killed.
participantOne:(574490-585090): Was he ultimately killed by the FBI and dragged out and then breed in Crown Hill cemetery or did he escaped there's a there's there's a couple of different theories about it?
participantTwo:(574490-581890): Was the ultimately killed by the FBI and dragged out and then breed in Crown Hill cemetery or did he escape?
participantTwo:(582230-585090): There's a there's there's a couple of different theories about it.
participantOne:(585090-587290): We'll, get into all of that, but that's the main question.
participantTwo:(585090-587290): We'll, get into all of that, but that's the main question.
participantOne:(587290-591330): That's conspiracy number one conspiracy number two is where is this money.
participantTwo:(587290-591350): That's conspiracy number one conspiracy number two is where is this money.
participantOne:(591470-599550): He had a lot of hundreds of thousands of dollar that were stolen from banks in a 14 month period after he got out right.
participantTwo:(591510-599550): He had a lot of hundreds of thousands of dollar that were stolen from banks in a 14 month period after he got out right.
participantTwo:(600060-618200): Um, and we we don't know where that is, but I'm gonna tell I'm just gonna tell the listeners now that artifact and that that piece that document that was found on the family farm was a map like a like a legit map, right.
participantOne:(600060-618340): Um, and we we don't know where that is, but I'm gonna tell I'm just gonna tell the listeners now that artifact and that that piece that document that was found on the family farm was a map like a like a legit map, right .
participantTwo:(618200-619960): Sure, you Stewart was the one who found it.
participantOne:(618340-619900): You Stewart was the one who found it.
participantOne:(619940-630700): Yeah, it goes as far as to say it's, possibly a treasure map, a you know, I mean, if you consider stolen Lou treasure, uh, you know it could be a that.
participantTwo:(620000-622820): Yeah, it goes as far as to say it's, possibly a treasure map.
participantTwo:(622920-630700): Um, you know, I mean, if you consider stolen Lou treasure, uh, you know it could be a that.
participantOne:(630740-632860): I believe that the map is a code.
participantTwo:(630740-632860): I believe that the map is a code.
participantOne:(633260-634800): I don't know what kind of code.
participantTwo:(633280-634760): I don't know what kind of code.
participantTwo:(634940-640670): I've tried many different ways to try to figure it out and to break this code and I'll.
participantOne:(634940-640680): Uh, I've tried many different ways to try to figure it out and to break this code and I'll.
participantTwo:(640670-642710): Tell you I'm a puzzle solver by nature.
participantOne:(640680-642700): Tell you I'm a puzzle solver by nature.
participantOne:(642700-644040): I love puzzles.
participantTwo:(642710-669440): I love puzzles and I love trying to delve into this stuff, but I I have not been able to break this code and part of what we want to do is just tell this story reach out and you know, hopefully there's, somebody out there that can give us a insight and leaves a to pursue on this thing because we unfortunately, this is about solving, you know, an old mystery and getting to the real truth of the matter regardless of what it is.
participantOne:(644470-669460): I love trying to delve into this stuff, but I I have not been able to break this code and part of what we want to do is just tell this story reach out and you know, hopefully there's, somebody out there that can give us a insight and leaves a to pursue on this thing because we unfortunately, this is about solving, you know, an old mystery and getting to the real truth of the matter regardless of what it is.
participantOne:(669540-672400): And both both conspiracies are legitimately.
participantTwo:(669540-672400): And both both conspiracies are legitimately.
participantOne:(672400-673440): Good thoughts, right.
participantTwo:(672400-673440): Good thoughts, right.
participantTwo:(673440-679580): Like we we thought, but we add, we have evidence to say like we need to look into this a lot further.
participantOne:(673440-679580): Like we we thought, but we add, we have evidence to say like we need to look into this a lot further.
participantTwo:(680140-686670): Um, I've, never seen stuff like this, but here, here's, the other half of what a little the housekeeping I'm talking about.
participantOne:(680140-686670): Um, I've, never seen stuff like this, but here, here's, the other half of what a little the housekeeping I'm talking about.
participantOne:(686670-688870): So the two conspiracies were going over that you've met.
participantTwo:(686670-688870): So the two conspiracies were going over that you've met.
participantTwo:(688870-695970): Everybody the other thing is this podcast is gonna be very different than other podcast look a lot of other true crime podcasts.
participantOne:(688870-695970): Everybody the other thing is this podcast is gonna be very different than other podcast look a lot of other true crime podcasts.
participantOne:(695970-704580): What they're gonna do is including infamous, Cindy is you're gonna do a story you're gonna research that store you're gonna take what that story has online?
participantTwo:(695970-704580): What they're gonna do is including infamous, Cindy is you're gonna do a story you're gonna research that store you're gonna take what that story has online?
participantOne:(704640-707040): Histories been written or things.
participantTwo:(704640-707040): Histories been written or things.
participantOne:(707040-713100): Have happened and you're just gonna retail it in your way with your flare and you're gonna get people to listen there's.
participantTwo:(707040-713100): Have happened and you're just gonna retail it in your way with your flare and you're gonna get the people to listen there's.
participantTwo:(713100-720230): A lot of true crime podcasts out there that are just like that including Texas crime travels, you guys back in crime it's like that, but it's your perspective.
participantOne:(713100-717520): A lot of true crime podcasts out there that are just like that including Texas crime travelers.
participantOne:(717520-720240): You guys back in crime it's like that, but it's your perspective.
participantTwo:(720230-725170): So people are really interested exactly this is so different folks and the reason.
participantOne:(720240-725180): So people are really interested exactly this is so different folks and the reason.
participantTwo:(725170-725330): It's.
participantOne:(725180-725320): It's.
participantOne:(725320-734450): So different it's because we are literally going to be investigating this and we're gonna we're gonna find out stuff as we go along like they're we're.
participantTwo:(725330-726230): So different.
participantTwo:(726350-734430): Is because we are literally going to be investigating this and we're gonna we're gonna find out stuff as we go along like they're we're.
participantTwo:(734430-736010): This isn't history that we're looking back.
participantOne:(734450-736010): This isn't history that we're looking back.
participantTwo:(736010-741570): We're literally looking at history and trying to solve a a mystery together.
participantOne:(736010-741550): We're literally looking at history and trying to solve a a mystery together.
participantTwo:(742030-743010): Look there.
participantOne:(742070-743010): Look there.
participantOne:(743050-752900): I I don't see, very many podcasts or YouTube channels showing a treasure map that they found in the backyard and possibly trying to figure it out.
participantTwo:(743050-752900): I I don't see, very many podcasts or YouTube channels showing a treasure map that they found in the backyard and possibly trying to figure it out.
participantTwo:(752900-753500): Travis.
participantOne:(752900-753500): Travis.
participantOne:(753540-754560): You were there that day.
participantTwo:(753540-754560): You were there that day.
participantTwo:(754560-756480): Do this.
participantOne:(754560-756480): Do this.
participantOne:(756520-762500): This do you think we have a chance here because you have the history to from your family's perspective.
participantTwo:(756520-762500): This do you think we have a chance here because you have the history to from your family's perspective.
participantTwo:(762600-765040): Yes, yes,.
participantOne:(762620-765040): Yes, yes,.
participantTwo:(765820-769820): If you look at this this is like earlier and.
participantOne:(765820-769820): If you look at this this is like earlier and.
participantTwo:(770580-773720): I learned I mean, this is like two of those put together.
participantOne:(770620-773720): I learned I mean, this is like two of those put together.
participantOne:(774830-777670): I mean, this is a rapidly evolving.
participantTwo:(774830-777670): I mean, this is a rapidly evolving.
participantTwo:(778130-781870): Um, every term it's been a wild chase.
participantOne:(778130-781870): Um, every term it's been a wild chase.
participantTwo:(781910-786990): I mean, it's been extremely interesting in that day with extremely emotional day.
participantOne:(781910-786990): I mean, it's been extremely interesting in that day with extremely emotional day.
participantTwo:(787050-789310): Um, thought about my grandmother.
participantOne:(787050-789310): Um, thought about my grandmother.
participantOne:(789790-793770): Um, reaching in the whole he's like reaching back in the times.
participantTwo:(789790-793790): Um, reaching in the whole he's like reaching back in the times.
participantTwo:(793850-799290): Um, and pulling that out of ground and when Stewart hit that we're like what happened.
participantOne:(793850-799290): Um, and pulling that out of ground and when Stewart hit that we're like what happened.
participantOne:(799290-800090): What was that glass?
participantTwo:(799290-800090): What was that glass?
participantOne:(800090-800830): That booking.
participantTwo:(800090-800830): That booking.
participantTwo:(802340-803780): Once we see what was.
participantOne:(802350-803770): Once we see what was.
participantOne:(804790-806250): You all booked over the whole.
participantTwo:(804920-806240): All over the whole.
participantTwo:(806240-812180): So, yep, it was extremely extremely exciting, but if there's a reason that map was buried.
participantOne:(806290-812190): So, yep, it was extremely extremely exciting, but if there's a reason that map was buried.
participantOne:(812510-818650): Well, and and just just to add a little contacts to it guys, just so you understand.
participantTwo:(812520-818660): Well, and and just just to add a little contacts to it guys, just so you understand.
participantTwo:(818900-820120): We believe.
participantOne:(818910-820110): We believe.
participantOne:(820150-823330): And I'm almost certain that this that this map was buried.
participantTwo:(820160-823340): And I'm almost certain that this that this map was buried.
participantOne:(824000-829080): Uh, when deliver visited the family farm in April of 1930 for the whole.
participantTwo:(824000-829080): Uh, when deliver visited the family farm in April of 1930 for the whole.
participantOne:(829340-840600): This is all deliver one O one stuff we're we're we're taking off a little this is advanced deliver we're gonna be talking about if you wanna hear kind of the whole background of a villager.
participantTwo:(829340-840600): This is all deliver one O one stuff we're we're we're taking off a little this is advanced deliver we're gonna be talking about if you wanna hear kind of the whole background of a villager.
participantOne:(840800-842160): Go, listen to some earlier.
participantTwo:(840800-842160): Go, listen to some earlier.
participantTwo:(842160-845600): Infamous, Indy podcast and that gives you the villager one O 1.
participantOne:(842160-845600): Infamous, Indy podcast and that gives you the villager one O 1.
participantTwo:(846280-852000): But this map was actually buried at the height of the FBI looking for deliver.
participantOne:(846280-852000): But this map was actually buried at the height of the FBI looking for deliver.
participantTwo:(852000-865400): They had the family farm under surveillance 24 hours a day delivery was able to sneak in there and and had a family reunion, right under the nose of the FBI for three days and so this map was buried.
participantOne:(852000-865400): They had the family farm under surveillance 24 hours a day delivery was able to sneak in there and and had a family reunion, right under the nose of the FBI for three days and so this map was buried.
participantOne:(865400-866880): It was buried in a Mason jar.
participantTwo:(865400-866880): It was buried in a Mason jar.
participantOne:(867430-872130): Uh in what we believe at the time was a milk house that house is no longer their.
participantTwo:(867430-872150): Uh in what we believe at the time was a milk house that house is no longer their.
participantTwo:(872910-873410): House.
participantOne:(872910-873410): House.
participantOne:(873470-879070): Uh, it was it was like a little brick building that was a where they a stored.
participantTwo:(873470-879070): Uh, it was it was like a little brick building that was a where they a stored.
participantTwo:(879070-881290): I think there was a stream running through this at the time.
participantOne:(879070-881290): I think there was a stream running through this at the time.
participantOne:(881290-882770): I think they stored milk in there.
participantTwo:(881290-882770): I think they stored milk in there.
participantOne:(883350-885890): Um, and so, uh, it was it.
participantTwo:(883350-885890): Um, and so, uh, it was it.
participantTwo:(885890-889590): Would've been based on some older aerial maps that we located.
participantOne:(885890-889590): Would've been based on some older aerial maps that we located.
participantOne:(889910-891550): Uh, we believe that this map.
participantTwo:(889910-891550): Uh, we believe that this map.
participantOne:(891550-893710): Would've been buried inside this milk house.
participantTwo:(891550-893770): Would've been buried inside this milk house.
participantTwo:(893990-894670): So it was .
participantOne:(893990-894670): So it was .
participantOne:(894670-899000): It was buried for a reason a and again, right.
participantTwo:(894670-899000): It was buried for a reason a and again, right.
participantOne:(899040-902100): The FBI is literally right across the Street.
participantTwo:(899040-902100): The FBI is literally right across the Street.
participantOne:(902140-903540): Uh, when this map is buried.
participantTwo:(902140-903540): Uh, when this map is buried.
participantTwo:(903540-906660): So it was buried for a reason it was hidden for a reason.
participantOne:(903540-906660): So it was buried for a reason it was hidden for a reason.
participantTwo:(907120-910220): Um, and it's it's very very relevant to this case.
participantOne:(907120-910220): Um, and it's it's very very relevant to this case.
participantOne:(910260-913020): It's, never been a study before.
participantTwo:(910260-913020): It's, never been a study before.
participantTwo:(913390-919610): Uh, and so this is truly a chance to solve history right right before your eyes.
participantOne:(913390-919610): Uh, and so this is truly a chance to solve history right right before your eyes.
participantTwo:(919750-923490): You know, the map stayed sales until you guys pulled out of jar.
participantOne:(919750-923490): You know, the map stayed sales until you guys pulled out of jar.
participantTwo:(923530-924210): Absolutely.
participantOne:(923530-924210): Absolutely.
participantTwo:(924250-926470): Yeah, and we never broke the sale.
participantOne:(924250-926470): Yeah, and we never broke the sale.
participantTwo:(926470-931470): I mean, other than breaking the glass, the lid it's still tacked on .
participantOne:(926470-931470): I mean, other than breaking the glass, the lid it's still tacked on .
participantTwo:(931470-934350): The last person and well anyway, there's.
participantOne:(931470-934350): The last person and well anyway, there's.
participantTwo:(934350-934790): So much.
participantOne:(934350-934790): So much.
participantTwo:(934830-938110): I mean, yeah, one of the things I love about the map.
participantOne:(934830-938110): I mean, yeah, one of the things I love about the map.
participantTwo:(938110-940850): Is that the pen used to that?
participantOne:(938110-940850): Is that the pen used to that?
participantOne:(940850-945670): We believe that the pen was you had to link in order for it to work at what's.
participantTwo:(940850-945670): We believe that the pen was you had to link in order for it to work at what's.
participantOne:(945670-946370): It called again.
participantTwo:(945670-946370): It called again.
participantOne:(946370-949350): Invaluable pen or it's calling an indelible Inc.
participantTwo:(946370-949350): Invaluable pen or it's calling an indelible Inc.
participantOne:(949390-953870): So if you, if you ever seen an old movie some someone's writing and you'll.
participantTwo:(949390-953870): So if you're, if you ever seen an old movie some someone's writing and you'll.
participantTwo:(953870-961690): See you notice that they they keep clicking the looks like a pencil actually, but they keep clicking it that was called indelible pencil.
participantOne:(953870-961690): See you notice that they they keep clicking the looks like a pencil actually, but they keep clicking it that was called indelible pencil.
participantTwo:(961730-969350): It was what was used in the days before ballpoint pens and it when you lift it kinda activated and gave it an ink.
participantOne:(961730-969350): It was what was used in the days before ballpoint pens and it when you lift it kinda activated and gave it an ink.
participantTwo:(969350-970350): Like appearance.
participantOne:(969350-970350): Like appearance.
participantTwo:(970390-982050): So it was a pencil, but but but the the writing substance looked like inch, uh, because you again, you didn't have ballpoint pen in those days you have fountain pens, but not ballpoint pen.
participantOne:(970390-982050): So it was a pencil, but but but the the writing substance looked like inch, uh, because you again, you didn't have ballpoint pen in those days you have fountain pens, but not ballpoint pen.
participantOne:(982050-984230): So this was a poor man's pin.
participantTwo:(982050-984230): So this was a poor man's pin.
participantTwo:(984270-988090): So the investigator that's D N A that's.
participantOne:(984270-988090): So the investigator that's D N A that's.
participantTwo:(988090-989010): All that's that's.
participantOne:(988090-989010): All that's that's.
participantOne:(989010-989590): All I'm .
participantTwo:(989010-989610): All I'm .
participantOne:(989590-992930): It is it is and and just just to tease a little bit.
participantTwo:(989610-992930): It is it is and and just just to tease a little bit.
participantTwo:(992930-995910): We do have some DNA testing that we can talk about.
participantOne:(992930-995910): We do have some DNA testing that we can talk about.
participantOne:(995910-996790): And we'll go into.
participantTwo:(995910-996790): And we'll go into.
participantOne:(996830-997790): So, so.
participantTwo:(996830-997790): So, so.
participantOne:(998830-1005910): You can if you're listening a and you turned in, you can tell we are super excited and passionate about this.
participantTwo:(998840-1005880): You can if you're listening a and you turned in, you can tell we are super excited and passionate about this.
participantTwo:(1006040-1009040): We know a lot of the details and Stuart mentioned.
participantOne:(1006050-1009050): We know a lot of the details and Stuart mentioned.
participantTwo:(1009040-1010300): It, but I'll just do it again.
participantOne:(1009050-1010290): It, but I'll just do it again.
participantTwo:(1010720-1012460): This is advanced villager.
participantOne:(1010750-1012470): This is advanced Dillinger.
participantOne:(1012690-1014590): If you want deliver one O 1.
participantTwo:(1012700-1014580): If you want deliver one O 1.
participantTwo:(1014620-1015860): If you wanna take the class.
participantOne:(1014630-1016130): If you wanna take the class.
participantOne:(1016250-1017130): Go to my info.
participantTwo:(1016330-1017130): Go to my info.
participantTwo:(1017130-1018390): Cindy podcast.
participantOne:(1017130-1018370): Cindy podcast.
participantTwo:(1018430-1019510): We talk about.
participantOne:(1018430-1019570): We talk about.
participantTwo:(1019550-1040070): We go really up for about an hour and 45 minutes about his straight up timeline like born a arrested incarcerated learn excavate 14 months of craziness the whole thing we go into everything and then we also go into Travis and Mike, try Mike Thompson.
participantOne:(1019610-1025310): We go real in debt for about an hour and 45 minutes about his straight up timeline like born.
participantOne:(1026260-1040060): A rested incarcerated learn excavate 14 months of craziness the whole thing we go into everything and then we also go into Travis and Mike trap, Mike Thompson.
participantOne:(1040060-1043480): Is Travis is father who is the nephew of John .
participantTwo:(1040070-1043490): Is Travis is father who is the nephew John villager.
participantTwo:(1044050-1054610): And we go into why Mike and Travis started looking at these FBI files, which actually Stewart got I'm almost at the exact same time because they were free online.
participantOne:(1044050-1054650): And we go into why Mike and Travis started looking at these FBI files, which actually Stewart got I'm almost at the exact same time because they were free online.
participantTwo:(1055090-1063480): Um, and then you know, they did all the research for that, but then also eventually, why why did you guys you can explain this now.
participantOne:(1055090-1063480): Um, and then you know, they did all the research for that, but then also eventually, why why did you guys you can explain this now.
participantTwo:(1063480-1074480): I feel like this is good for intro episode Travis, explain quickly to people why did you feel like you should dig up the body like why did you go to court to go to try to dig it up which made National and worldwide news.
participantOne:(1063480-1074480): I feel like this is good for intro episode Travis, explain quickly to people why did you feel like you should dig up the body like why did you go to court to go to try to dig it up which made National and worldwide news.
participantOne:(1075600-1076980): Yeah, well Susan.
participantTwo:(1075600-1076980): Yeah, well Susan.
participantTwo:(1076980-1085120): Your investigation, a steward had put a very detailed investigation side by side pictures of years.
participantOne:(1076980-1085120): Your investigation, a steward had put a very detailed investigation side by side pictures of years.
participantOne:(1085220-1088100): Um, they're really show.
participantTwo:(1085220-1088100): Um, they're really show.
participantOne:(1088100-1090380): That that might not be the right guy.
participantTwo:(1088100-1090380): That that might not be the right guy.
participantTwo:(1090420-1092300): The two guys don't match.
participantOne:(1090420-1092300): The two guys don't match.
participantTwo:(1092660-1093220): All.
participantOne:(1092660-1093220): All.
participantOne:(1093220-1095720): So ops report.
participantTwo:(1093220-1095720): So ops report.
participantTwo:(1097030-1100350): Had some issues I tell her age, height.
participantOne:(1097030-1100350): Had some issues I tell her age, height.
participantTwo:(1101780-1102920): Um, also.
participantOne:(1101780-1102920): Um, also.
participantTwo:(1103740-1104360): Father.
participantOne:(1103740-1104360): Father.
participantTwo:(1104480-1106980): Yeah, .
participantOne:(1104480-1106980): Yeah, .
participantTwo:(1106980-1108220): I didn't know, .
participantOne:(1106980-1108220): I didn't know, .
participantTwo:(1108380-1109760): Yeah, .
participantOne:(1108380-1109760): Yeah, .
participantOne:(1110100-1112520): Okay, so so the autopsy and stuff.
participantTwo:(1110100-1112520): Okay, so so the autopsy and stuff.
participantOne:(1112520-1116460): So, that's, you guys, you really you were like this is so obvious.
participantTwo:(1112520-1116460): So, that's, you guys, you really you were like this is so obvious.
participantTwo:(1116460-1119360): We need to go and pull his body up to G A is that right.
participantOne:(1116460-1119360): We need to go and pull his body up to G A is that right.
participantTwo:(1120520-1123420): Yeah, that was my because my father is the closest living relative.
participantOne:(1120520-1123420): Yeah, that was my because my father is the closest living relative.
participantOne:(1123420-1125300): So he had to file the paperwork.
participantTwo:(1123420-1125300): So he had to file the paperwork.
participantTwo:(1125360-1126660): Um, well, before.
participantOne:(1125360-1126660): Um, well, before.
participantOne:(1128020-1133400): We really got to the. of the investigation with Stewart putting apart together.
participantTwo:(1128020-1133400): We really got to the. of the investigation with Stewart putting apart together.
participantTwo:(1134500-1136620): Grandmother told me that when.
participantOne:(1134500-1136620): Grandmother told me that when.
participantOne:(1137750-1140170): Supposedly John was killed 1934.
participantTwo:(1137750-1140170): Supposedly John was killed 1934.
participantOne:(1140170-1142570): And my great grandfather went up to identify the body.
participantTwo:(1140170-1142570): And my great grandfather went up to identify the body.
participantOne:(1142570-1143410): John senior.
participantTwo:(1142570-1143410): John senior.
participantOne:(1144650-1151270): He straight said that's, not my son even though the oldest daughter, Audrey said that is my brother.
participantTwo:(1144650-1151270): He straight said that's, not my son even though the oldest daughter, Audrey said that is my brother.
participantOne:(1151350-1157950): Um, FBI wistfully pulled my great grandfather into another room had a discussion.
participantTwo:(1151370-1157950): Um, FBI wistfully pulled my great grandfather into another room had a discussion.
participantOne:(1157950-1161930): That we do not know what was said and after that he said, yes, this is my son.
participantTwo:(1157950-1161930): That we do not know what was said and after that he said, yes, this is my son.
participantTwo:(1164270-1165290): So Stewart.
participantOne:(1164390-1165290): So Stewart.
participantTwo:(1165290-1168410): Would you like to comment about this as a retired FBI agent?
participantOne:(1165290-1168410): Would you like to comment about this as a retired FBI agent?
participantOne:(1168410-1169310): What what does that mean?
participantTwo:(1168410-1169310): What what does that mean?
participantTwo:(1169350-1170210): I know, it's early on.
participantOne:(1169350-1170210): I know, it's early on.
participantOne:(1170250-1171990): Well, we're getting we're starting.
participantTwo:(1170250-1171990): Well, we're getting we're starting.
participantOne:(1172350-1173470): Sorry, go ahead and.
participantTwo:(1172350-1173470): Sorry, go ahead and.
participantTwo:(1176670-1177810): Look at this.
participantOne:(1176670-1177810): Look at this.
participantOne:(1177810-1185260): I don't don't doubt that probably happened because a leading up to this a again.
participantTwo:(1177810-1185260): I don't don't doubt that probably happened because a leading up to this a again.
participantTwo:(1185260-1190120): This is advanced deliver, but leading up to this the the FBI had had the villager game.
participantOne:(1185260-1190120): This is advanced deliver, but leading up to this the the FBI had had the villager game.
participantOne:(1190120-1191360): Cornered twice.
participantTwo:(1190120-1191340): Cornered twice.
participantTwo:(1191340-1191980): Once in St.
participantOne:(1191360-1191980): Once in St.
participantTwo:(1191980-1203450): Paul and once in upper Wisconsin at a place called little Bohemia and then the entire delivery gang got away both times and and in case of little behavior a civilian was killed.
participantOne:(1191980-1203420): Paul and once in upper Wisconsin at a place called little Bohemia and then the entire division gain got away both times and and in case of little Bohemia a civilian was killed.
participantOne:(1203800-1224880): Um, so now if it turns out we've killed somebody and this is not deliver a this was all about for a as Todd said earlier, you know, this the deliverer case really is what build the brand of the FBI and if in fact, this man, that we just shot in Chicago is not deliver.
participantTwo:(1203830-1224890): Um, so now if it turns out we've killed somebody and this is not deliver a this was all about for a as Todd said earlier, you know, this the deliverer case really is what build the brand of the FBI and if in fact, this man, that we just shot in Chicago is not deliver.
participantOne:(1225270-1227770): Uh, then then Jager Hoover.
participantTwo:(1225280-1227760): Uh, then then Jager Hoover.
participantOne:(1227870-1230410): We would have never heard of Jager in the FBI.
participantTwo:(1227880-1230400): We would have never heard of Jager Hoover in the FBI.
participantTwo:(1230440-1231760): He's looking for a new job.
participantOne:(1230450-1231750): He's looking for a new job.
participantTwo:(1231940-1240800): Absolutely that yeah, because he was on thin ice at that. anyway because of the two prior, uh, a escape bottles.
participantOne:(1231950-1240810): Absolutely that yeah, because he was on thin ice at that. anyway because of the two prior, uh, a escape bottles.
participantTwo:(1240840-1241860): And escapes.
participantOne:(1240850-1241850): And escapes.
participantOne:(1241890-1243710): Uh, where the dealer got away.
participantTwo:(1241900-1243720): Uh, where the the dealer got away.
participantTwo:(1245560-1255460): But I'll add one quick thing to the whole sequence of of how I did this report is once we found the map at the villager farm.
participantOne:(1245560-1255440): But I'll add one quick thing to the whole sequence of of how I did this report is once we found the map at the villager farm.
participantTwo:(1255540-1256200): Uh, that's.
participantOne:(1255540-1256200): Uh, that's.
participantOne:(1256200-1257860): What the show's gonna be about?
participantTwo:(1256200-1257860): What the show's gonna be about?
participantOne:(1257960-1263440): But when it was actually pitched to Hollywood, they thought, oh. this is fake that's.
participantTwo:(1257960-1263440): But when it was actually pitched to Hollywood, they thought, oh. this is fake that's.
participantTwo:(1263440-1265220): Not really it's, not interesting.
participantOne:(1263440-1265220): Not really it's, not interesting.
participantOne:(1265260-1269960): We don't care about this old map, but we want to find out about this impostor.
participantTwo:(1265260-1269960): We don't care about this old map, but we want to find out about this impostor.
participantOne:(1270040-1272920): Theory that it wasn't villager killed at the API.
participantTwo:(1270040-1272920): Theory that it wasn't villager killed at the API.
participantTwo:(1272960-1281530): So I my thought was just as an as an investigator and trying to do the most efficient investigation possible.
participantOne:(1272960-1281530): So I my thought was just as an as an investigator and trying to do the most efficient investigation possible.
participantTwo:(1281690-1284630): I said, well, the quickest way to determine that is just dig up the bottle.
participantOne:(1281690-1284630): I said, well, the quickest way to determine that is just dig up the bottle.
participantTwo:(1284630-1288310): Do examination we have the relatives cooperating we'll.
participantOne:(1284630-1288310): Do examination we have the relatives cooperating we'll.
participantOne:(1288310-1289730): Do T and DNA testing.
participantTwo:(1288310-1289730): Do T and DNA testing.
participantOne:(1290590-1292570): And I didn't believe that there was an impostor.
participantTwo:(1290590-1292570): And I didn't believe that there was an impostor.
participantOne:(1292570-1296250): So we'll we'll, prove it's Dillinger and we'll move on and we'll solve this map.
participantTwo:(1292570-1296250): So we'll we'll, prove it's Dillinger and we'll move on and we'll solve this map.
participantOne:(1296290-1299190): So, that's really how this this started.
participantTwo:(1296290-1299190): So, that's really how this this started.
participantTwo:(1299230-1307990): And then once I got into all these, um, these issues about the autopsy and and the other things that just didn't fit.
participantOne:(1299230-1307990): And then once I got into all these, um, these issues about the autopsy and and the other things that just didn't fit.
participantTwo:(1308030-1314410): That's when it gets back to where like Todd said, I'm a if I'm case agent on this case, I'm, not closing it yet.
participantOne:(1308030-1314410): That's when it gets back to where like Todd said, I'm a if I'm case agent on this case, I'm, not closing it yet.
participantOne:(1314410-1315630): There's still meet on this phone.
participantTwo:(1314410-1315630): There's still meet on this phone.
participantTwo:(1317160-1317840): So we're not.
participantOne:(1317160-1317840): So we're not.
participantOne:(1317880-1318280): So that's.
participantTwo:(1317880-1318280): So that's.
participantTwo:(1318280-1318800): Why, we're here?
participantOne:(1318280-1318800): Why, we're here?
participantOne:(1318800-1324180): And and again, I think I I want to make sure that everybody listening.
participantTwo:(1318800-1324180): And and again, I think I I want to make sure that everybody listening.
participantTwo:(1324180-1333060): Understands this we have tried very hard to get this in front of the masses through Holly word through different means.
participantOne:(1324180-1333060): Understands this we have tried very hard to get this in front of the masses through Holly word through different means.
participantTwo:(1334370-1335050): We had an issue.
participantOne:(1334370-1335030): We had an issue.
participantOne:(1335030-1337290): This week we had an issue tonight.
participantTwo:(1335050-1337290): This week we had an issue tonight.
participantOne:(1338350-1339530): You can't make this stuff up.
participantTwo:(1338350-1339530): You can't make this stuff up.
participantTwo:(1339530-1343630): We we were joking around that it might be like a course, right.
participantOne:(1339530-1343630): We we were joking around that it might be like a course, right.
participantTwo:(1343630-1353810): That this podcast might be cursed for whatever reason, but we're here, we're here, we're gonna persevere and we need your help and we need our community.
participantOne:(1343630-1353810): That this podcast might be cursed for whatever reason, but we're here, we're here, we're gonna persevere and we need your help and we need our community.
participantTwo:(1353810-1360250): We need to build a community around this this podcast because this project it's really a project folks.
participantOne:(1353810-1360250): We need to build a community around this this podcast because this project it's really a project folks.
participantTwo:(1360370-1363850): We want you to follow us on tick tock follow us on YouTube.
participantOne:(1360370-1363850): We want you to follow us on tick tock follow us on YouTube.
participantTwo:(1364640-1366940): Listen to us on our parks share with people.
participantOne:(1364680-1366940): Listen to us on our parks share with people.
participantTwo:(1366980-1379340): We have a paper on page which eventually I'll get into, but essentially our goal is to go back in somehow and we'll get into this later, but get go back and try again.
participantOne:(1366980-1379340): We have a paper on page which eventually I'll get into, but essentially our goal is to go back in somehow and we'll get into this later, but get go back and try again.
participantOne:(1379380-1382580): Cause the family was denied for digging up.
participantTwo:(1379380-1382580): Cause the family was denied for digging up.
participantOne:(1382700-1386550): Uh, the examination, but we wanna go back and we wanna try again.
participantTwo:(1382700-1386550): Uh, the examination, but we wanna go back and we wanna try again.
participantOne:(1386550-1398780): Cause there is an avenue that we believe we might have to go back, but that also takes our community, which means a eventually support from our community in a lot of different ways we don't know what that is yet.
participantTwo:(1386550-1398780): Cause there is an avenue that we believe we might have to go back, but that also takes our community, which means a eventually support from our community in a lot of different ways we don't know what that is yet.
participantTwo:(1398780-1401420): We'll, get into that later, but that's that's, where our head is at that's.
participantOne:(1398780-1401420): We'll, get into that later, but that's that's, where our head is at that's.
participantOne:(1401420-1407120): Why we wanna keep pushing forward because you think there's another way forward for the digging up the body and getting the DNA directly?
participantTwo:(1401420-1407120): Why we wanna keep pushing forward because you think there's another way forward for the digging up the body and getting the DNA directly?
participantTwo:(1407160-1409440): We also have other ways to to test the .
participantOne:(1407160-1409440): We also have other ways to to test the .
participantTwo:(1409440-1415720): We have other things that we'll get into because there's lots of things, get into there's a lot, a lot, but we're.
participantOne:(1409440-1415720): We have other things that we'll get into because there's lots of things, get into there's a lot, a lot, but we're.
participantOne:(1415720-1416440): All we're.
participantTwo:(1415720-1416440): All we're.
participantOne:(1416440-1417000): All we're.
participantTwo:(1416440-1417000): All we're.
participantTwo:(1417000-1418360): All relatively knowledgeable.
participantOne:(1417000-1418360): All relatively knowledgeable.
participantOne:(1418360-1421400): Really knowledgeable about this and we're really excited.
participantTwo:(1418360-1421400): Really knowledgeable about this and we're really excited.
participantTwo:(1421400-1425740): And we just want you to be a part of this journey as we go through it together.
participantOne:(1421400-1425740): And we just want you to be a part of this journey as we go through it together.
participantTwo:(1426600-1428780): Welcome Lovett.
participantOne:(1426600-1428780): Welcome Lovett.
participantOne:(1428900-1430860): Welcome to your baby.
participantTwo:(1428900-1430860): Welcome to your baby.
participantTwo:(1431720-1435260): We got last, we got we got, um, you guys got four minutes.
participantOne:(1431720-1435260): We got last, we got we got, um, you guys got four minutes.
participantTwo:(1435340-1437620): Um, we wanted to keep this one kind of short.
participantOne:(1435340-1437620): Um, we wanted to keep this one kind of short.
participantTwo:(1437660-1440000): So you got four minutes.
participantOne:(1437660-1440000): So you got four minutes.
participantTwo:(1440180-1443260): What, um, why should people care about the story?
participantOne:(1440180-1443260): What, um, why should people care about the story?
participantTwo:(1444190-1447530): I just told you my, my thought, yeah, well again.
participantOne:(1444190-1447530): I just told you my, my thought, yeah, well again.
participantOne:(1449150-1451070): Yeah, it is history breaking.
participantTwo:(1449190-1451070): Yeah, it is history breaking.
participantOne:(1451070-1452490): Well said Travis yet.
participantTwo:(1451070-1452490): Well said Travis yet.
participantOne:(1452490-1453670): , because .
participantTwo:(1452490-1453670): , because .
participantTwo:(1453670-1458550): If the entire brand of the FBI was billed on on a on a lie.
participantOne:(1453670-1458550): If the entire brand of the FBI was billed on on a on a lie.
participantOne:(1458610-1460510): The world needs to know about that.
participantTwo:(1458610-1460510): The world needs to know about that.
participantTwo:(1460550-1466390): Absolutely and and if not, then, Hey, this confirms history and and and Hey, it's, it's.
participantOne:(1460550-1466390): Absolutely and and if not, then, Hey, this confirms history and and and Hey, it's, it's.
participantTwo:(1466430-1468250): You know, it's it's for me.
participantOne:(1466430-1468250): You know, it's it's for me.
participantOne:(1468250-1472610): That's that's very comforting, but either way the real truth should come out.
participantTwo:(1468250-1472610): That's that's very comforting, but either way the real truth should come out.
participantTwo:(1473840-1475640): Oh yeah, I definitely care about the truth.
participantOne:(1473840-1475640): Oh yeah, I definitely care about the truth.
participantTwo:(1475640-1476100): Also.
participantOne:(1475640-1476100): Also.
participantTwo:(1476100-1480340): I mean, if you really like conspiracy series and cover ups and.
participantOne:(1476100-1480340): I mean, if you really like conspiracy series and cover ups and.
participantOne:(1481520-1485300): You came to the right place because we've experienced firsthand.
participantTwo:(1481520-1485300): You came to the right place because we've experienced firsthand.
participantTwo:(1485440-1487820): Yeah, we have a crazy.
participantOne:(1485500-1487820): Yeah, we have a crazy.
participantTwo:(1488000-1489460): Roadblock.
participantOne:(1488000-1489460): Roadblock.
participantOne:(1489500-1490460): We ran into.
participantTwo:(1489500-1490460): We ran into.
participantOne:(1490500-1492940): Yep, and that's just the one side of it.
participantTwo:(1490500-1492940): Yep, and that's just the one side of it.
participantOne:(1492940-1496280): The other side is the loop and it's trying to decipher the Mac.
participantTwo:(1492940-1496280): The other side is the loop and it's trying to decipher the Mac.
participantOne:(1496320-1497080): The treasure map.
participantTwo:(1496320-1497080): The treasure map.
participantOne:(1497120-1498200): Yep, exactly.
participantTwo:(1497120-1498200): Yep, exactly.
participantOne:(1498380-1509500): So and maybe if you're listening, you have stories or you can hit us up on digging up deliver. at Gmail. com digging a gender at Gmail. com.
participantTwo:(1498380-1509500): So and maybe if you're listening, you have stories or you can hit us up on digging up deliver. at Gmail. com digging a gender at Gmail. com.
participantTwo:(1509560-1511240): Comment on our tick talks.
participantOne:(1509560-1511240): Comment on our tick talks.
participantTwo:(1511360-1513140): I really wanna make this about the community.
participantOne:(1511360-1513140): I really wanna make this about the community.
participantTwo:(1513140-1523700): And if there's things or questions that pop up, you guys do a great job of as Texas crime travelers, responding people on tick tock and even doing podcast about some of the stuff that gets brought up on .
participantOne:(1513140-1523700): And if there's things or questions that pop up, you guys do a great job of as Texas crime travelers, responding people on tick tock and even doing podcast about some of the stuff that gets brought up on .
participantOne:(1524230-1525910): Yep, so you know.
participantTwo:(1524230-1525910): Yep, so you know.
participantOne:(1526690-1528010): Feel free to ask us questions.
participantTwo:(1526690-1528010): Feel free to ask us questions.
participantTwo:(1528050-1529010): Yep, definitely.
participantOne:(1528050-1529010): Yep, definitely.
participantOne:(1529010-1538510): And also if you're a relative of any of the game, members, do you have any interesting stories that you could fill in from the blanks that we're looking at way?
participantTwo:(1529010-1538510): And also if you're a relative of any of the game, members, do you have any interesting stories that you could fill in from the blanks that we're looking at way?
participantTwo:(1538710-1549450): If we if we get a family member of the game member you're out, bro, like you're done you're off the podcast that's.
participantOne:(1538710-1549450): If we if we get a family member of the game member you're out, bro, like you're done you're off the podcast that's.
participantOne:(1549450-1549830): It .
participantTwo:(1549450-1549830): It .
participantTwo:(1549830-1561430): I also have talked to several several a family member's other game, members and they don't have the loves that our family does they pretty much pushed that family in the browser life.
participantOne:(1549830-1561410): I also have talked to several several a family member's other game, members and they don't have the loves that our family does they pretty much pushed that family in the browser life.
participantOne:(1561450-1565010): So it's it's different with the gentleman.
participantTwo:(1561470-1565010): So it's it's different with the gentleman.
participantOne:(1565010-1565450): Bandit.
participantTwo:(1565010-1565450): Bandit.
participantTwo:(1565450-1570650): So he was he was he was the Robinhood of of the of the gangster world.
participantOne:(1565450-1570650): So he was he was he was the Robinhood of of the of the gangster world.
participantTwo:(1570650-1570910): So.
participantOne:(1570650-1570910): So.
participantTwo:(1571860-1575340): Let's pause we're gonna say Goodnight to you.
participantOne:(1571860-1575340): Let's pause we're gonna say Goodnight to you.
participantTwo:(1575340-1579800): All right now or goodbye and we're gonna we're gonna see on the code 2.
participantOne:(1575340-1579840): All right now or goodbye and we're gonna we're gonna see on the code 2.
participantTwo:(1580260-1582080): But thank you for joining us on the first.
participantOne:(1580260-1582080): But thank you for joining us on the first.
participantTwo:(1582080-1583420): Our episode .
participantOne:(1582080-1583420): Our episode .
participantTwo:(1583420-1584240): We did it guys.
participantOne:(1583420-1584240): We did it guys.
participantOne:(1584240-1586100): We we thought back here.
participantTwo:(1584240-1586100): We we thought back here.
participantTwo:(1586100-1590720): Tracy tactical issues.
participantOne:(1586100-1590720): Tracy tactical issues.
participantOne:(1590760-1591600): [laughter].
participantTwo:(1590760-1591600): [laughter].
participantTwo:(1592260-1599240): You to what you say that the next episode you guys on the next here's here's.
participantOne:(1592260-1599240): You to what you say that the next episode you guys on the next here's here's.
participantTwo:(1601580-1602180): The digging up.
participantOne:(1601620-1602180): The digging up.
participantOne:(1602180-1605020): Villager podcast is produced by Jill and Grace.
participantTwo:(1602180-1605100): Villager part gas is produced by Joel Lo en .
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