participantOne:(6600-7420): Infamous Indy.
participantTwo:(6610-7450): Infamous Indy.
participantOne:(7420-14500): Presents the digging up deal your project featuring, the Texas crime travelers and Travis Thompson I'm.
participantTwo:(7450-9350): Presents the digging up deliver contra.
participantTwo:(10410-14070): Featuring, the Texas crime travelers in Travis Thompson.
participantTwo:(14250-15090): I'm, your host.
participantOne:(14500-15820): Your host room.
participantTwo:(18640-22620): In the annals of American crime few figures room as large as John.
participantOne:(18670-21190): In the annals of American crime few figures.
participantOne:(21190-25230): Loom as large as John builder a mastermind and bank Heights.
participantTwo:(23480-25260): A mastermind in bank Heights.
participantOne:(25270-31990): His name became synonymous with brazen robberies and daring escapes questions of whether he escape an FBI.
participantTwo:(25300-31960): His name became synonymous brazen robberies and daring escapes questions of whether he escape an FBI.
participantTwo:(31960-35540): Ambush and the whereabouts of his buried loop persevered.
participantOne:(31990-35730): Ambush and the whereabouts of his buried loop persevered.
participantOne:(36550-38330): History offers one account.
participantTwo:(36590-38290): History offers one account.
participantTwo:(38330-40430): But there are whispers that tell us many.
participantOne:(38530-40450): But there are whispers that tell us many.
participantOne:(41710-44570): Join us as we go digging up cylinder.
participantTwo:(41790-44870): Join us as we go digging up cylinder.
participantTwo:(47780-51640): Everybody welcome to the next episode of digging up deliver I'm.
participantOne:(47880-51640): Everybody welcome to the next episode of digging up deliver I'm.
participantOne:(51640-59040): Your host, Joe mellow and with me the team Stewart Fillmore Thompson Todd Hiles what's up guys what's up [laughter].
participantTwo:(51640-58480): Your host, Joe mellow and with me the team steward Fillmore Thompson and Todd, Hiles what's up guys what's up.
participantOne:(59780-60600): Welcome, everybody.
participantTwo:(59780-60600): Welcome, everybody.
participantOne:(61580-63100): It's another episode.
participantTwo:(61580-63060): It's another episode.
participantOne:(63780-64620): Last time we left you.
participantTwo:(63780-64620): Last time we left you.
participantTwo:(64620-66740): We talked about the Fillmore report.
participantOne:(64620-66740): We talked about the Fillmore report.
participantOne:(66740-72560): We introduce you to the air discrepancies from the autopsy with Stewart Stewart.
participantTwo:(66740-72560): We introduce you to the air discrepancies from the autopsy with Stewart Stewart.
participantOne:(72560-78940): Any any thoughts after we did that Pike pass now coming into this podcast as we continue on to your on down your report.
participantTwo:(72560-78940): Any any thoughts after we did that Pike pass now coming into this podcast as we continue on to your on down your report.
participantOne:(79500-89760): You know, just to emphasize that that was the that was the the one thing that when I first started looking into this possibility of this impostor, theory, which I didn't really by A I had heard it before.
participantTwo:(79500-89760): You know, just to emphasize that that was the that was the the one thing that when I first started looking into this possibility of this impostor, theory, which I didn't really by A I had heard it before.
participantOne:(90240-94900): Um, you know, I had no reason to doubt that you know that the FBI got deliver.
participantTwo:(90240-94900): Um, you know, I had no reason to doubt that you know that the FBI got deliver.
participantTwo:(95260-102630): Um, but the more, I looked into it the more there was just these un answered questions that that just seemed to be fairly significant.
participantOne:(95260-102630): Um, but the more, I looked into it the more there was just these un answered questions that that just seemed to be fairly significant.
participantTwo:(102630-107770): Frankly, and then, um, like I said, I studied the pictures of of him in the morgue.
participantOne:(102630-107770): Frankly, and then, um, like I said, I studied the pictures of of him in the morgue.
participantOne:(108070-111550): Uh, you know, just to say you know, could this be impostor?
participantTwo:(108070-111550): Uh, you know, just to say you know, could this be impostor?
participantOne:(111590-125950): You know, I know there was a plastic surgery on him and everything, but I could not quite determine what it was that was really standing out standing out to me that just didn't fit and it was the years and so I did a deep dive on the years.
participantTwo:(111590-125950): You know, I know there was a plastic surgery on him and everything, but I could not quite determine what it was that was really standing out standing out to me that just didn't fit and it was the years and so I did a deep dive on the years.
participantOne:(125950-127270): I looked into them.
participantTwo:(125950-127270): I looked into them.
participantOne:(127490-133650): I I briefly thought at 1. that it could have been a just to be graphic.
participantTwo:(127490-133650): I I briefly thought at 1. that it could have been a just to be graphic.
participantOne:(133650-141000): I think I mentioned this before you know, that when the doing the autopsy and the school the remote is it is removed the skullcap is removed.
participantTwo:(133650-141000): I think I mentioned this before you know, that when the doing the autopsy and the school the remote is it is removed the skullcap is removed.
participantOne:(141240-143200): You know, the the faces pull down.
participantTwo:(141240-143200): You know, the the faces pull down.
participantTwo:(143200-143900): And it's pulled down.
participantOne:(143200-143900): And it's pulled down.
participantTwo:(143900-145320): All around the skullcap.
participantOne:(143900-145320): All around the skullcap.
participantTwo:(145680-155100): Uh, you know that could have maybe when they put the the head back, it could have the years might not have gone back correctly, but you know, the years are laying flat against the head.
participantOne:(145680-155100): Uh, you know that could have maybe when they put the the head back, it could have the years might not have gone back correctly, but you know, the years are laying flat against the head.
participantOne:(155100-165660): Where's delivers here's, kind of popped out and then on the side, you know, the the whatever the angle of the year was was different like it was exactly?
participantTwo:(155100-165660): Where's delivers here's, kind of popped out and then on the side, you know, the the whatever the angle of the year was was different like it was exactly?
participantOne:(165760-168160): So it's not gonna change that much.
participantTwo:(165760-168160): So it's not gonna change that much.
participantTwo:(168200-170260): You know in this in this autopsy procedure.
participantOne:(168200-170260): You know in this in this autopsy procedure.
participantOne:(170260-175030): So it's hard to fake years and you know, you can do the .
participantTwo:(170260-175030): So it's hard to fake years and you know, you can do the .
participantTwo:(175070-180510): Yeah, exactly it's almost like a fingerprint really and Todd, you know, you you're kind of seeing this stuff.
participantOne:(175070-180510): Yeah, exactly it's almost like a fingerprint really and Todd, you know, you you're kind of seeing this stuff.
participantTwo:(180550-185750): I know Stewart has told you about it, but you're seeing this stuff with us kind of for the first time.
participantOne:(180550-185750): I know Stewart has told you about it, but you're seeing this stuff with us kind of for the first time.
participantOne:(185890-189170): What was your thoughts after we stop recording with the years?
participantTwo:(185890-189170): What was your thoughts after we stop recording with the years?
participantTwo:(190000-194180): You know, I I think looking at the the side by side photos really does it.
participantOne:(190000-194180): You know, I I think looking at the the side by side photos really does it.
participantOne:(194560-197600): Um, you know, I again to our listeners Stewart.
participantTwo:(194560-197600): Um, you know, I again to our listeners Stewart.
participantTwo:(197600-198940): Does a great job explaining.
participantOne:(197600-198940): Does a great job explaining.
participantTwo:(198940-201680): It, but when you actually see those photos.
participantOne:(198940-201680): It, but when you actually see those photos.
participantOne:(201880-202720): Um, to me.
participantTwo:(201880-202720): Um, to me.
participantTwo:(202720-208820): That's when you noticed the difference between deal injure and the body at the morgue and it's.
participantOne:(202720-208820): That's when you noticed the difference between deal injure and the body at the morgue and it's.
participantTwo:(208820-209460): So it's.
participantOne:(208820-209460): So it's.
participantTwo:(209460-212040): So weird because Travis has those years.
participantOne:(209460-212040): So weird because Travis has those years.
participantOne:(212080-213740): No, I don't know if I actually, I don't know if.
participantTwo:(212080-213740): No, I don't know if I actually, I don't know if.
participantTwo:(215160-216720): You think you have those years.
participantOne:(215160-216720): You think you have those years.
participantOne:(217120-221080): Um, yeah, I've been told that I have the the danger.
participantTwo:(217120-221080): Um, yeah, I've been told that I have the the danger.
participantOne:(222080-223640): Well, you know the let's.
participantTwo:(222080-223640): Well, you know the let's.
participantTwo:(223640-226680): See, , your years, right behind you put your hands down.
participantOne:(223640-226680): See, , your years, right behind you put your hands down.
participantTwo:(226720-226920): Let's.
participantOne:(226720-226920): Let's.
participantOne:(226920-228280): Do this put your hands on yet?
participantTwo:(226920-228280): Do this put your hands on yet?
participantTwo:(228280-230160): Turn I'm telling her it's not there.
participantOne:(228280-230160): Turn I'm telling her it's not there.
participantTwo:(230160-236060): It is not too far off it's really not and it's, right behind them too [laughter].
participantOne:(230160-236060): It is not too far off it's really not and it's, right behind them too [laughter].
participantOne:(236120-240980): Yeah, I was told on especially when a the news real my great grandfather talking.
participantTwo:(236120-240980): Yeah, I was told on especially when, um, the news real my great grandfather talking.
participantTwo:(241780-245680): Um, my other grandmother like you have your great grandfather years.
participantOne:(241780-245680): Um, my other grandmother like you have your great grandfather years.
participantOne:(245720-248240): That's funny, that's funny.
participantTwo:(245720-248240): That's funny, that's funny.
participantOne:(248840-249700): We, um, we're.
participantTwo:(248840-249700): We, um, we're.
participantOne:(249700-250220): So excited.
participantTwo:(249700-250220): So excited.
participantOne:(250220-252560): You guys are back to listen to another podcast here.
participantTwo:(250220-252560): You guys are back to listen to another podcast here.
participantOne:(252600-254480): Um, I it's a 5050 shot.
participantTwo:(252600-254480): Um, I it's a 5050 shot.
participantTwo:(254480-259420): If I call up the project, the dig fillinger project or the digging up till injure podcast.
participantOne:(254480-259420): If I call up the project, the dig fillinger project or the digging up till injure podcast.
participantTwo:(259520-261040): Um, they're, both correct.
participantOne:(259520-261040): Um, they're, both correct.
participantOne:(261120-261400): There's.
participantTwo:(261120-261400): There's.
participantTwo:(261400-262520): No wrong answers here.
participantOne:(261400-262520): No wrong answers here.
participantTwo:(262560-273700): But just to be clear, you know, I would start betting on which one I call every episode because it's a crapshoot, the 50 [laughter], but there is a difference and I think.
participantOne:(262560-273700): But just to be clear, you know, I would start betting on which one I call every episode because it's a crapshoot, the 50 [laughter], but there is a difference and I think.
participantTwo:(274630-279930): One real thing that I wanna mention again is this this is different.
participantOne:(274630-279930): One real thing that I wanna mention again is this this is different.
participantTwo:(279930-281810): This is a project because it's different.
participantOne:(279930-281810): This is a project because it's different.
participantTwo:(281810-284670): This isn't just a podcast that we're doing to talk about this stuff.
participantOne:(281810-284670): This isn't just a podcast that we're doing to talk about this stuff.
participantTwo:(284870-286690): We really want to change history.
participantOne:(284870-286690): We really want to change history.
participantTwo:(286730-291130): We want to make a Dent in whether or not this is the truth.
participantOne:(286730-291130): We want to make a Dent in whether or not this is the truth.
participantOne:(291250-300720): And we're gonna look into it and that means that we're gonna have projects aa things outside of the podcast that we'll talk about on bring it back to you.
participantTwo:(291250-300720): And we're gonna look into it and that means that we're gonna have projects aa things outside of the podcast that we'll talk about on bring it back to you.
participantTwo:(300720-301760): All about what.
participantOne:(300720-301760): All about what.
participantOne:(301760-307920): We're doing outside one of the things that we've done the last couple of days since we last recorded was we've been looking up.
participantTwo:(301760-307920): We're doing outside one of the things that we've done the last couple of days since we last recorded was we've been looking up.
participantOne:(307920-312300): I could tell the guys Stewart Travis Todd myself we've.
participantTwo:(307920-312280): I could tell the guys Stewart Travis Todd myself we've.
participantTwo:(312280-313020): All been looking up.
participantOne:(312300-313020): All been looking up.
participantOne:(313060-329540): Documentaries we've gone back into you tube in dove into different documentaries we've also been talking on via text message about certain things and kind of going into great detail on text message between us and all of it is to gain knowledge to each other for each other.
participantTwo:(313060-329540): Documentaries we've gone back into you tube in dove into different documentaries we've also been talking on via text message about certain things and kind of going into great detail on text message between us and all of it is to gain knowledge to each other for each other.
participantOne:(329600-334000): So that we're able to correctly investigate this mystery.
participantTwo:(329600-334000): So that we're able to correctly investigate this mystery.
participantTwo:(334040-353050): So just know on the backend, we're, all still working during the week to kind of do the research and investigate and literally because Stewart and Todd, our private investigators license, private investigators, you know, they investigate all the time and you know, I'm just here for the ride right guys I'm, just here to look at you guys and you guys tell me what's up.
participantOne:(334040-353050): So just know on the backend, we're, all still working during the week to kind of do the research and investigate and literally because Stewart and Todd, our private investigators license, private investigators, you know, they investigate all the time and you know, I'm just here for the ride right guys I'm, just here to look at you guys and you guys tell me what's up.
participantOne:(353790-356370): Um, so you're, the celebrity here though.
participantTwo:(353790-356370): Um, so you're you're you're you're, the celebrity here though.
participantTwo:(356590-358030): [laughter].
participantOne:(356590-358050): [laughter].
participantTwo:(358410-361530): Well, I am part of the Morgan county boys and girls club.
participantOne:(358410-361530): Well, I am part of the Morgan county boys and girls club.
participantTwo:(361570-363230): Celebrity golf outing every year.
participantOne:(361570-363250): Celebrity golf outing every year.
participantOne:(363980-367400): Because I was once on television at 1., I played with Pacers.
participantTwo:(363980-367400): Because I was once on television at 1., I played with Pacers.
participantOne:(367400-368400): I play with the courts.
participantTwo:(367400-368400): I play with the courts.
participantOne:(368440-370340): Sometimes there's, Indy car it's.
participantTwo:(368440-370320): Sometimes there's, Indy car it's.
participantTwo:(370360-372160): You know, Indy car season, right now.
participantOne:(370380-372140): You know, Indy car season, right now.
participantOne:(372140-373740): I got my .
participantTwo:(372160-373740): I got my .
participantTwo:(373860-374940): It does it's fine.
participantOne:(373860-374940): It does it's fine.
participantTwo:(375120-376120): I knew one day I'd.
participantOne:(375120-376120): I knew one day I'd.
participantOne:(376120-376520): Make it.
participantTwo:(376120-376520): Make it.
participantTwo:(376560-379960): And it was Morgan county girls and boys and girls club.
participantOne:(376560-379960): And it was Morgan county girls and boys and girls club.
participantOne:(379960-381120): Celebrity golf outing.
participantTwo:(379960-381120): Celebrity golf outing.
participantOne:(381500-384200): Um, so thanks for listening rant they're.
participantTwo:(381520-384200): Um, so thanks for listening rant they're.
participantOne:(384280-389400): Just wanna make sure everybody understands we want your community to support us because we're trying to dig things.
participantTwo:(384280-389400): Just wanna make sure everybody understands we want your community to support us because we're trying to dig things.
participantOne:(389400-389820): Okay.
participantTwo:(389400-389820): Okay.
participantOne:(391170-392910): Next part here of the report.
participantTwo:(391170-392910): Next part here of the report.
participantOne:(392910-394250): I'm really excited to share this.
participantTwo:(392910-394250): I'm really excited to share this.
participantOne:(394250-396230): So, I'm gonna I'm gonna share screen here.
participantTwo:(394250-396230): So, I'm gonna I'm gonna share screen here.
participantOne:(397210-398570): Before we jump into it again.
participantTwo:(397210-398570): Before we jump into it again.
participantTwo:(398570-404950): Remind our listeners that the fill more report was written by Stewart Fillmore that's, right that's, right .
participantOne:(398570-404950): Remind our listeners that the fill more report was written by Stewart Fillmore that's, right that's, right .
participantTwo:(404950-408590): I don't understand is I see that front page and it says written by Stewart Fillmore.
participantOne:(404950-408590): I don't understand is I see that front page and it says written by Stewart Fillmore.
participantTwo:(409190-413290): Sure why don't you go by a cool initial like the cool FBI agent aren't.
participantOne:(409190-413290): Sure why don't you go by a cool initial like the cool FBI agent aren't.
participantOne:(413290-414930): You like our Stewart Fillmore.
participantTwo:(413290-414930): You like our Stewart Fillmore.
participantOne:(414930-419990): Like Jager Hoover stuff what's, your middle name, Stuart.
participantTwo:(414930-419990): Like Jager Hoover stuff what's, your middle name, Stuart.
participantTwo:(420030-423410): Well, actually, you know, you know, when you go into the Bureau.
participantOne:(420030-423410): Well, actually, you know, you know, when you go into the Bureau.
participantTwo:(423410-428930): They they let you choose with you your official Bureau name and actually Stewart is my middle name.
participantOne:(423410-428930): They they let you choose with you your official Bureau name and actually Stewart is my middle name.
participantTwo:(428970-434370): And a you know, my first name is John and so I but I've, never in my life gone by John.
participantOne:(428970-434370): And a you know, my first name is John and so I but I've, never in my life gone by John.
participantOne:(434790-435870): Ah, so.
participantTwo:(434790-435910): Ah, so.
participantOne:(437050-437750): I I made it.
participantTwo:(437110-437750): I I made it.
participantTwo:(437750-440790): My my official Bureau name was Jay Stewart Gilmore.
participantOne:(437750-440790): My my official Bureau name was Jay Stewart Gilmore.
participantOne:(440790-446730): So maybe maybe a nada Jager, but not really we didn't call yourself.
participantTwo:(440790-446730): So maybe maybe a nada Jager, but not really we didn't call yourself.
participantOne:(446730-449890): Jay villagers bill [laughter].
participantTwo:(446730-449890): Jay villagers bill [laughter].
participantTwo:(449890-450770): You can take your name.
participantOne:(449890-450770): You can take your name.
participantOne:(450770-451970): How you want on your credential?
participantTwo:(450770-451970): How you want on your credential?
participantTwo:(452010-457910): Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I think it had to be some some symbols of your real name, but uh.
participantOne:(452030-457910): Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I think it had to be some some symbols of your real name, but uh.
participantTwo:(459110-461970): It's like a stage name, [laughter].
participantOne:(459110-461970): It's like a stage name, [laughter].
participantOne:(463150-468870): So Jay Stewart Fillmore report is on the screen for all those who are listening to the bypass.
participantTwo:(463150-468870): So Jay Stewart Fillmore report is on the screen for all those who are listening to the bypass.
participantTwo:(468870-470010): Maybe in your car.
participantOne:(468870-470010): Maybe in your car.
participantOne:(470370-472190): This episode we're gonna go into.
participantTwo:(470370-472190): This episode we're gonna go into.
participantTwo:(472570-481210): Um, we we did the years and I'm scrolling down now into part two of the film report of autopsied autopsy discrepancy.
participantOne:(472570-481210): Um, we we did the years and I'm scrolling down now into part two of the film report of autopsied autopsy discrepancy.
participantTwo:(481210-484270): So I'm gonna quickly read this cold by the way.
participantOne:(481210-484270): So I'm gonna quickly read this cold by the way.
participantOne:(484270-484650): I haven't.
participantTwo:(484270-484650): I haven't.
participantOne:(484650-495870): I haven't read this yet before, but um, other than to myself while reading the the report, but all Topsy discrepancies include, um, the official autopsy was performed by doctor Jerome.
participantTwo:(484650-495870): I haven't read this yet before, but um, other than to myself while reading the the report, but all Topsy discrepancies include, um, the official autopsy was performed by doctor Jerome.
participantTwo:(495910-511510): J kerns of the Cook county morgue on July 23rd 1930 for a few hours after the shooting several discrepancies between the known physical characteristics of John villager and the autopsy, findings were first observed and describe by author.
participantOne:(495910-511510): J kerns of the Cook county morgue on July 23rd 1930 for a few hours after the shooting several discrepancies between the known physical characteristics of John villager and the autopsy, findings were first observed and describe by author.
participantOne:(511510-513510): J Robert mash in his book.
participantTwo:(511510-513510): J Robert mash in his book.
participantOne:(513750-525130): Villager dead or alive in 1970 there were several differences in height weight and appearance in the autopsy regarding the appearance villager had a distinct cleft in his chin.
participantTwo:(513750-525130): Villager dead or alive in 1970 there were several differences in height weight and appearance in the autopsy regarding the appearance villager had a distinct cleft in his chin.
participantTwo:(526150-527350): For those check out.
participantOne:(526150-527350): For those check out.
participantOne:(527390-528710): Travis is cleft.
participantTwo:(527410-528710): Travis is cleft.
participantTwo:(529010-530030): We can see it now.
participantOne:(529050-530030): We can see it now.
participantOne:(530030-531230): He saved this week.
participantTwo:(530030-531230): He saved this week.
participantTwo:(531270-532430): So you can see it.
participantOne:(531270-532450): So you can see it.
participantOne:(532710-540270): Um, the body on the table had no cleft in the chin also to moles Ledger is known to have we're.
participantTwo:(532710-540270): Um, the body on the table had no cleft in the chin also to moles Ledger is known to have we're.
participantOne:(540270-554910): Not present or a described this is not inconsistent with the known procedures performed during the plastic surgery operation also the hair and mustache had been dialed black and the eyebrows were trained and shaped differently.
participantTwo:(540270-554910): Not present or a described this is not inconsistent with the known procedures performed during the plastic surgery operation also the hair and mustache had been dialed black and the eyebrows were trained and shaped differently.
participantOne:(556050-559990): These discrepancies can be reasonably explained of course, the height and weight differences.
participantTwo:(556050-559990): These discrepancies can be reasonably explained of course, the height and weight differences.
participantTwo:(559990-563270): Were not significant and could be attributed to any number of factors.
participantOne:(559990-563270): Were not significant and could be attributed to any number of factors.
participantTwo:(563270-564010): The missing moles.
participantOne:(563270-564570): The missing moles and cleft pin.
participantTwo:(564010-564570): The cleft pin.
participantTwo:(564570-570370): Could be attributed to plastic surgery performed on deliver the died share died mustache and term .
participantOne:(564570-570330): Could be attributed to plastic surgery performed on deliver the died share died mustache and term .
participantOne:(570410-577510): Our browser consisted with, uh, wanted person attempting to disguise themselves there are however sir, several significant discrepancies.
participantTwo:(570410-577510): Our browser consisted with, uh, wanted person attempting to disguise themselves there are however sir, several significant discrepancies.
participantOne:(577550-582350): That are much more suspicious and more difficult to reasonably explain these discrepancies.
participantTwo:(577550-582350): That are much more suspicious and more difficult to reasonably explain these discrepancies.
participantOne:(582390-583870): Are the next thing?
participantTwo:(582390-583870): Are the next thing?
participantOne:(583870-585890): We'll talk about after we talk about the height.
participantTwo:(583870-585890): We're talking about after we talk about the height.
participantTwo:(586090-595190): Um, so these so the height and weight and these cleft him and the mole Stewart talk about where you got that information.
participantOne:(586090-595190): Um, so these so the height and weight and these cleft him and the mole Stewart talk about where you got that information.
participantOne:(595290-596710): How did you determine that?
participantTwo:(595290-596730): How did you determine that?
participantOne:(596750-601310): You can you can hear yourself saying basically it could be all explained.
participantTwo:(596770-601310): You can you can hear yourself saying basically it could be all explained.
participantTwo:(601890-608110): So in the FBI, I mean, the the, uh, the P I had it has a the the file on villager.
participantOne:(601890-608110): So in the FBI, I mean, the the the A P I had it has a the the file on villager.
participantTwo:(608190-609990): Um, and Travis.
participantOne:(608210-609990): Um, and Travis.
participantOne:(609990-611790): Actually has a full copy of it.
participantTwo:(609990-611790): Actually has a full copy of it.
participantTwo:(611830-617670): I have a full copy of it and within that FBI file is the autopsy report.
participantOne:(611830-617670): I have a full copy of it and within that FBI file is the autopsy report.
participantTwo:(617670-618230): It's like a.
participantOne:(617670-618230): It's like a.
participantOne:(618270-622910): I think a four page document it's fairly descriptive, honestly.
participantTwo:(618270-622910): I think a four page document it's fairly descriptive, honestly.
participantOne:(622950-627170): You know it just like any autopsy it gives a description of the body.
participantTwo:(622950-627170): You know, it just like any autopsy it gives a description of the body.
participantOne:(627210-629070): You know, you know, a general description.
participantTwo:(627210-629070): You know, you know, a general description.
participantOne:(629110-633870): You know, it's a it's, a looks to be a 30 year old a white male.
participantTwo:(629110-633870): You know, it's a it's, a looks to be a 30 year old a white male.
participantTwo:(633910-637430): You know, a it appears to be.
participantOne:(633910-637430): You know, a who it appears to be.
participantOne:(637470-639990): Well fed well, newish muscular.
participantTwo:(637470-639990): Well fed well, newish muscular.
participantTwo:(640030-646310): You know, however, the general description is and it noted, you know, the the body had Brown.
participantOne:(640030-646310): You know, however, the general description is and it noted, you know, the the body had Brown.
participantTwo:(646310-651810): Scalp pair, but that it clearly had been dyed black and the mustache died black.
participantOne:(646310-651790): Scalp pair, but that it clearly had been dyed black and the mustache died black.
participantOne:(651930-660450): The eyebrows has been re saved and the you know, and at least in the description there was no, no mold described on the face.
participantTwo:(651950-660450): The eyebrows has been re saved and the you know, and at least in the description there was no, no mold described on the face.
participantOne:(660530-663970): I'm, not sure if an autopsy would even describe the mole anyway.
participantTwo:(660530-663970): I'm, not sure if an autopsy would even describe the mole anyway.
participantOne:(664270-672010): Um, but but nonetheless the moles were not described in the autopsy report and, uh, you know, and I'm not sure also too.
participantTwo:(664270-672010): Um, but but nonetheless the moles were not described in the autopsy report and, uh, you know, and I'm not sure also too.
participantTwo:(672010-674740): If you had at least in the general description.
participantOne:(672010-674780): If you had at least in the general description.
participantOne:(674780-677820): If an autopsy would describe a cleft chin.
participantTwo:(674780-677840): If an autopsy would describe a cleft chin.
participantOne:(678240-685880): Um, uh, maybe they would maybe they wouldn't, but nonetheless it wasn't described on this report and builder was known to have had that.
participantTwo:(678240-685880): Um, uh, maybe they would maybe they wouldn't, but nonetheless it wasn't described on this report and builder was known to have had that.
participantTwo:(687280-688040): Pictures.
participantOne:(687290-688050): Pictures.
participantTwo:(688400-691480): Tell its own words to or tell its own story too.
participantOne:(688410-691510): Telus own words to or tell its own story too.
participantTwo:(691520-699760): Yeah, now if if now, so like you know, uh, the murder cases that I I've worked as a private investigator.
participantOne:(691550-699830): Yeah, now if if now, so like you know, uh, the murder cases that I I've worked as a private investigator.
participantTwo:(699940-701020): I mean, there's.
participantOne:(700190-701010): I mean, there's.
participantOne:(701010-705070): So many autopsy photos taken and there's from so many different angles.
participantTwo:(701020-703700): So many autopsy photos taken and there's, some from.
participantTwo:(703700-705060): So many different angles.
participantTwo:(705700-716100): Um, the you know, to give a clear picture of a because you know, you can write the autopsy report, but but you know what, what is it a pictures worth a 000 words?
participantOne:(705700-716100): Um, the you know, to give a clear picture of a because you know, you can write the autopsy report, but but you know what, what is it a pictures worth a 000 words?
participantOne:(716480-723970): Um, if if autopsied photos were taken a villager I've, never been able to find any of the and there's.
participantTwo:(716480-723970): Um, if if autopsied photos were taken a villager I've, never been able to find any of the and there's.
participantTwo:(724010-725810): Nothing refers to in the FBI file.
participantOne:(724010-725810): Nothing refers to in the FBI file.
participantTwo:(725810-730770): So I I'm just gonna assume that they did not take autopsy photos in those days.
participantOne:(725810-730770): So I I'm just gonna assume that they did not take autopsy photos in those days.
participantOne:(730830-731270): I don't know.
participantTwo:(730830-731270): I don't know.
participantOne:(731310-735730): So what what are the photos that we have from the year report part of the report.
participantTwo:(731310-735730): So what what are the photos that we have from the year report part of the report.
participantTwo:(735770-739350): So there were pictures taken a villager in the morgue.
participantOne:(735770-739370): So there were pictures taken a villager in the morgue.
participantOne:(739650-745610): Uh, on the table you know, I think you know the media was allowed in it was kind of surface actually.
participantTwo:(739650-745610): Uh, on the table you know, I think you know the media was allowed in it was kind of surface actually.
participantOne:(746420-756980): Um, so and and you know, they they got pictures of him from a lot of different angles and so I've I've tried to to look at all the ones I could find you know from from all angles that's.
participantTwo:(746420-756980): Um, so and and you know, they they got pictures of him from a lot of different angles and so I've I've tried to to look at all the ones I could find you know from from all angles that's.
participantTwo:(756980-757660): What I'm trying to do?
participantOne:(756980-757660): What I'm trying to do?
participantTwo:(757700-758620): And compare with.
participantOne:(757700-758580): And compare with.
participantOne:(759650-760510): Pictures of billing.
participantTwo:(759650-760510): Pictures of billing.
participantTwo:(760510-768690): Her when he was alive right, right, I and that, um, there's a few actually, I found another picture of him in the mortgage.
participantOne:(760510-768690): Her when he was alive right, right, I and that, um, there's a few actually, I found another picture of him in the mortgage.
participantOne:(769050-772910): Um, uh, this these these moles.
participantTwo:(769050-772910): Um, uh, this these these moles.
participantTwo:(772950-778230): Do you find it to concerning about the the discrepancies?
participantOne:(772950-778230): Do you find it to concerning about the the discrepancies?
participantTwo:(778230-778990): I mean, the height and weight.
participantOne:(778230-778990): I mean, the height and weight.
participantOne:(778990-786810): How much was the height and weight differences to forget the weight of he was A I think he was listed as 57?
participantTwo:(778990-786810): How much was the height and weight differences to forget the weight of he was A I think he was listed as 57?
participantTwo:(787650-793050): And maybe the, um, maybe the body of the table was 5859.
participantOne:(787650-793070): And maybe the, um, maybe the body of the table was 5859.
participantTwo:(793830-797110): Um, you know, and I mean, you know, two inch discrepancy.
participantOne:(793830-797110): Um, you know, and I mean, you know, two inch discrepancy.
participantTwo:(797110-799010): Could be could be significant.
participantOne:(797110-799010): Could be could be significant.
participantOne:(799530-807850): Um, but a lot you know, I don't know it to me the the difference is and I'm forgetting the numbers off hand exactly what they were the height and weight.
participantTwo:(799530-807850): Um, but a lot you know, I don't know it to me the the difference is and I'm forgetting the numbers off hand exactly what they were the height and weight.
participantOne:(807850-812340): But uh, they just to me didn't seem a significant.
participantTwo:(807850-812340): But uh, they just to me didn't seem a significant.
participantOne:(812380-817820): They just seemed a you know somewhat minor look at this picture.
participantTwo:(812380-817820): They just seemed a you know somewhat minor look at this picture.
participantOne:(817860-819220): [laughter].
participantTwo:(817860-819220): [laughter].
participantOne:(819300-821380): What a ridiculous picture?
participantTwo:(819300-821380): What a ridiculous picture?
participantTwo:(821790-825090): Yeah, so so actually those those are two showgirls.
participantOne:(821790-825090): Yeah, so so actually those those are two showgirls.
participantTwo:(825130-836830): I actually a new their names at one time a you know, they were there in pretty Skippy bathing suits it's really the day.
participantOne:(825130-836830): I actually a new their names at one time a you know, they were there in pretty Skippy bathing suits it's really the day.
participantTwo:(836870-838950): Yes, letter listeners.
participantOne:(836870-838950): Yes, letter listeners.
participantOne:(838950-840170): No picture we're looking.
participantTwo:(838950-840170): No picture we're looking.
participantOne:(841500-857060): No, I mean, it's it's a picture of John villager on what looks like a table of some sort and like through a window people reviewing his body as he's kind of covered up and he doesn't look like himself like my first thought is like that.
participantTwo:(841500-857060): No, I mean, it's it's a picture of John villager on what looks like a table of some sort and like through a window people reviewing his body as he's kind of covered up and he doesn't look like himself like my first thought is like that.
participantOne:(857060-858680): Does not look like him right.
participantTwo:(857060-858680): Does not look like him right.
participantTwo:(859150-863270): Well again, it's, you know, it's anytime that someone is dead.
participantOne:(859150-863270): Well again, it's, you know, it's anytime that someone is dead.
participantOne:(863270-864510): They don't look like themselves.
participantTwo:(863270-864530): They don't look like themselves.
participantTwo:(865450-874370): And you know it looks like this the the, um, you know, I I can't quite I don't think they informed him at the morgue don't.
participantOne:(865450-874370): And you know it looks like this the the, um, you know, I I can't quite I don't think they informed him at the morgue don't.
participantOne:(874370-875450): I think that was later.
participantTwo:(874370-875470): I think that was later.
participantTwo:(876250-886490): But you know, when someone involved they can look a little maybe swollen of you know, and so they you know, it again, they just don't look right something something's different.
participantOne:(876250-886430): But you know, when someone involved they can look a little maybe swollen of you know, and so they you know, it again, they just don't look right something something's different.
participantTwo:(886870-888910): Yeah, yeah, definitely didn't.
participantOne:(886950-888910): Yeah, yeah, definitely didn't.
participantOne:(888910-889370): Look, right.
participantTwo:(888910-889370): Look, right.
participantOne:(889370-893270): You can tell I think I mentioned this last week there there there are a couple of photos.
participantTwo:(889370-893270): You can tell I think I mentioned this last week there there there are a couple of photos.
participantOne:(893270-894590): You can see if they'll injure.
participantTwo:(893270-894590): You can see if they'll injure.
participantTwo:(895190-902010): In the in the more he's clearly did but he he still had a somewhat of a natural look.
participantOne:(895190-902030): In the in the more he's clearly did but he he still had a somewhat of a natural look.
participantTwo:(902050-905970): You know, he so you can tell it that the pictures were taken pretty quickly.
participantOne:(902090-905970): You know, he so you can tell it that the pictures were taken pretty quickly.
participantTwo:(905970-907430): I would bet after he was killed.
participantOne:(905970-907470): I would bet after he was killed.
participantOne:(907590-908110): Yeah.
participantTwo:(907590-908110): Yeah.
participantOne:(908930-909210): .
participantTwo:(908930-909210): .
participantOne:(909210-910270): That picture again.
participantTwo:(909210-910270): That picture again.
participantTwo:(910310-915440): It makes you wonder why did they even let the public come in and look at that .
participantOne:(910310-915440): It makes you wonder why did they even let the public come in and look at that .
participantOne:(915440-919020): You know, I mean, you know, this is not 1934.
participantTwo:(915440-919020): You know, I mean, you know, this is not 1934.
participantTwo:(919020-930340): Was not to removed from the old West and you know in the old West when they caught the bad guy the whole town and the posse would prop the course of the bad guy up and they all stand with it like it was a trophy.
participantOne:(919020-930340): Was not to removed from the old West and you know in the old West when they caught the bad guy the whole town and the posse would prop the course of the bad guy up and they all stand with it like it was a trophy.
participantTwo:(930380-934840): So you know, I I don't think the times have changed that much.
participantOne:(930380-934820): So you know, I I don't think the times have changed that much.
participantOne:(934860-936780): Uh, into 1934.
participantTwo:(934880-936780): Uh, into 1934.
participantTwo:(938160-938740): It's it's.
participantOne:(938160-938740): It's it's.
participantOne:(938740-946420): Pretty it's pretty crazy to see a line of people looking at the body as as they go through, but he was a celebrity right.
participantTwo:(938740-946420): Pretty it's pretty crazy to see a line of people looking at the body as as they go through, but he was a celebrity right.
participantTwo:(946660-947240): Absolutely.
participantOne:(946660-947240): Absolutely.
participantTwo:(949330-952630): So it definitely it fits the way he ended.
participantOne:(949330-952630): So it definitely it fits the way he ended.
participantTwo:(952630-953730): Hey, uh, Travis.
participantOne:(952630-953770): Hey, uh, Travis.
participantOne:(953830-962130): Did your family ever did your Grandma ever tell you stories about that moment at, um, you know when they're bringing home and that they're there.
participantTwo:(953830-962130): Did your family ever did your Grandma ever tell you stories about that moment at, um, you know when they're bringing home and that they're there.
participantTwo:(962130-964210): Weren't, their braids or went there.
participantOne:(962130-964150): Weren't, their braids or went there.
participantTwo:(964630-966310): A view it.
participantOne:(964630-966310): A view it.
participantTwo:(967790-969590): A lot of people.
participantOne:(967790-969590): A lot of people.
participantOne:(972100-973040): They've moved.
participantTwo:(972100-973040): They've moved.
participantTwo:(973040-975520): It to the I'm trying to think.
participantOne:(973040-975520): It to the I'm trying to think.
participantOne:(976650-993330): Audrey house for a little bit and then they moved into Morrill and there was huge cross in the Street people around the building just like when they when the actual funeral service was done there's, thousands of people in the Street and around.
participantTwo:(976650-984850): Audrey house for a little bit and then they moved into Morrill and there was huge cross in the Street people.
participantTwo:(984850-993330): Surrounding, the building just like when they when the actual funeral service was done there's, thousands of people in the Street and around.
participantOne:(993470-994830): I mean, around cemetery.
participantTwo:(993510-994830): I mean, around cemetery.
participantOne:(994950-1000390): Yeah, and it was a like a torrential rain storm too, but the the crowds were hung around for it.
participantTwo:(994950-1000390): Yeah, and it was a like a torrential rain storm too, but the the crowds were hung around for it.
participantTwo:(1001500-1003420): Was it hot July?
participantOne:(1001500-1003420): Was it hot July?
participantOne:(1003560-1011000): Yeah, that's one of the things that that will probably get into on other aspects of these.
participantTwo:(1003560-1011000): Yeah, that's one of the things that that will probably get into on other aspects of these.
participantTwo:(1011000-1016140): All types of discrepancies that it Chicago was experiencing a heat wave that week.
participantOne:(1011000-1016140): All types of discrepancies that it Chicago was experiencing a heat wave that week.
participantTwo:(1016180-1018960): I wanna say it was maybe around a oh. degrees that day.
participantOne:(1016180-1018960): I wanna say it was maybe around a oh. degrees that day.
participantTwo:(1019020-1020740): You know, uh, July 22nd.
participantOne:(1019040-1020740): You know, uh, July 22nd.
participantTwo:(1021080-1026260): And, uh, having lived I I live in Chicago for three years myself and I can tell you it.
participantOne:(1021080-1026260): And, uh, having lived I I live in Chicago for three years myself and I can tell you it.
participantTwo:(1026300-1028440): It can get pretty damn hot.
participantOne:(1026300-1028440): It can get pretty damn hot.
participantTwo:(1028440-1030320): I can get balls ass hot in the summer.
participantOne:(1028440-1030320): I can get balls ass hot in the summer.
participantTwo:(1030870-1032370): Uh, not not like Texas.
participantOne:(1030890-1032370): Uh, not not like Texas.
participantTwo:(1032670-1038270): You know where we have it, you know, all the way into October, but but it can't actually get hot.
participantOne:(1032670-1038270): You know where we have it, you know, all the way into October, but but it can't actually get hot.
participantTwo:(1038270-1039950): So, um, you know.
participantOne:(1038270-1039950): So, um, you know.
participantOne:(1039990-1044510): And and that was one reason that in addition to being a movie puff.
participantTwo:(1039990-1044510): And and that was one reason that in addition to being a movie puff.
participantOne:(1044550-1049450): Uh, I think that they've gone to the movie just to cool off because in those days you know, movie theaters.
participantTwo:(1044550-1049450): Uh, I think that they've gone to the movie just to cool off because in those days you know, movie theaters.
participantTwo:(1049490-1053350): You know, had air conditioning and most people did not you know, their home.
participantOne:(1049490-1053350): You know, had air conditioning and most people did not you know, their home.
participantOne:(1054000-1058640): Yeah, and that, well, then that movie feeder was a rare one because it did have error with that many.
participantTwo:(1054000-1058600): Yeah, and that, well, then that movie feeder was a rare one because it did have error with that many.
participantOne:(1058760-1060120): On the head there.
participantTwo:(1058760-1060120): On the head there.
participantOne:(1060160-1065020): It said ice fresh air as advertisement ice fresh.
participantTwo:(1060160-1065020): It said ice fresh air as advertisement ice fresh.
participantOne:(1065420-1066280): Yeah, good.
participantTwo:(1065420-1066280): Yeah, good.
participantTwo:(1066320-1072760): Yeah, absolutely sounds like something I would want that's one reason why that picture of the body of the mortgage.
participantOne:(1066320-1072760): Yeah, absolutely sounds like something I would want that's one reason why that picture of the body of the mortgage.
participantOne:(1073000-1078680): How people were dressed like in T shirts and the undershirts because hot it was?
participantTwo:(1073000-1078680): How people were dressed like in T shirts and the undershirts because hot it was?
participantOne:(1078720-1078980): Yeah.
participantTwo:(1078720-1078980): Yeah.
participantOne:(1080460-1088720): So to conclude, this portion these discrepancies, which are the fact that the height and weight were different?
participantTwo:(1080460-1088720): So to conclude, this portion these discrepancies, which are the fact that the height and weight were different?
participantTwo:(1088840-1089620): The stars.
participantOne:(1088860-1090440): The scars and moles.
participantTwo:(1089620-1090440): And moles.
participantOne:(1090480-1098530): Yeah, we're gonna I if I had to vote on which half that I believed in whether it was him or not him.
participantTwo:(1090480-1092460): Yeah, we're gonna .
participantTwo:(1092460-1093080): If I had to.
participantTwo:(1093850-1098530): Vote on which half that I believed in whether it's him or not him.
participantOne:(1098630-1101210): I'd say this one's arguing that it is him.
participantTwo:(1098630-1101210): I'd say this one's arguing that it is him.
participantOne:(1101610-1102770): Yeah, yeah.
participantTwo:(1101630-1102770): Yeah, yeah.
participantOne:(1103550-1110790): I mean, uh, to me like I said, if that if that was all it was, I wouldn't be convinced whatsoever, right, right.
participantTwo:(1103550-1110790): I mean, uh, to me like I said, if that if that was all it was, I wouldn't be convinced whatsoever, right, right.
participantOne:(1110830-1113090): Yeah, so I don't find those don't.
participantTwo:(1110830-1113090): Yeah, so I don't find those don't.
participantOne:(1113090-1114470): Find those discrepancies.
participantTwo:(1113090-1114470): Find those discrepancies.
participantTwo:(1114470-1115570): A compelling at all.
participantOne:(1114470-1115570): A compelling at all.
participantTwo:(1116500-1121000): Well in that case, I think we're ready for another really really good 1.
participantOne:(1116500-1121000): Well in that case, I think we're ready for another really really good 1.
participantTwo:(1121040-1127300): So, uh, we're gonna move to the next part then of the high color.
participantOne:(1121040-1127300): So, uh, we're gonna move to the next part then of the high color.
participantTwo:(1127880-1128720): Okay, Stewart.
participantOne:(1127880-1128720): Okay, Stewart.
participantOne:(1128720-1131360): Do you think so [laughter]?
participantTwo:(1128720-1131360): Do you think so [laughter]?
participantTwo:(1131400-1133800): You know, again, this is one of those things where.
participantOne:(1131400-1133800): You know, again, this is one of those things where.
participantTwo:(1135040-1140220): It could it could just be attributed to a mistake by the pathologist about doctor rooms.
participantOne:(1135040-1140240): It could it could just be attributed to a mistake by the pathologist about doctor rooms.
participantTwo:(1140640-1146300): You know that he just, I don't know the light maybe the lighting was bad in the in the autopsy room.
participantOne:(1140640-1146300): You know that he just, I don't know the light maybe the lighting was bad in the in the autopsy room.
participantTwo:(1146920-1151500): You know, one of those things and I will say this is Todd and Travis.
participantOne:(1146920-1151500): You know, one of those things and I will say this is Todd and Travis.
participantTwo:(1151500-1154400): I know you agree with me on this that there's there's.
participantOne:(1151500-1154400): I know you agree with me on this that there's there's.
participantTwo:(1154400-1161840): No investigation that doesn't have a normal ease or unanswered questions or just something that you never really find an answer to.
participantOne:(1154400-1161840): No investigation that doesn't have a normal ease or unanswered questions or just something that you never really find an answer to.
participantTwo:(1162560-1164140): Um, you know.
participantOne:(1162560-1164120): Um, you know.
participantOne:(1164180-1176680): And this just, you know, might be it, but the thing about it is the dealer is described as having just such unique gray eyes, which I would greatly eyes to me.
participantTwo:(1164180-1176680): And this just, you know, might be it, but the thing about it is the dealer is described as having just such unique gray eyes, which I would greatly eyes to me.
participantTwo:(1176680-1178900): I I would I would for me.
participantOne:(1176680-1178900): I I would I would for me.
participantOne:(1178900-1187860): I would describe them as a super light blue eyes and there's there's several reports of the that he just had had striking eyes.
participantTwo:(1178900-1187840): I would describe them as a super light blue eyes and there's there's several reports of the that he just had had striking eyes.
participantOne:(1188520-1189480): Um, so.
participantTwo:(1188520-1189480): Um, so.
participantOne:(1190570-1193890): Uh, you know maybe if you had Hazel eyes or green eyes.
participantTwo:(1190680-1193880): You know maybe if you had Hazel eyes or green eyes.
participantTwo:(1193920-1196000): You might in the right lighting.
participantOne:(1193930-1195990): You might in the right lighting.
participantOne:(1195990-1202850): Could you could a mistake that for Brown eyes, but you know, it's it's gonna be hard to?
participantTwo:(1196000-1202840): Could you could a mistake that for Brown eyes, but you know, it's it's gonna be hard to?
participantTwo:(1202880-1220080): I think to make that mistake of light colored a bluish eyes for Brown eyes and you know, so one of the things when we go into the heat wave is that that that many people have made an argument that that the eyes just turned Brown because of the heat.
participantOne:(1202890-1214930): I think to make that mistake of light colored a bluish eyes for Brown eyes and you know, so one of the things when we go into the heat wave is that that that.
participantOne:(1214970-1220070): So many people have made an argument that that the eyes just turned Brown because of the heat.
participantOne:(1222430-1225310): And where did he have his id color officially?
participantTwo:(1222430-1225290): And where did he have his id color officially?
participantTwo:(1226650-1227430): Put down.
participantOne:(1226650-1227430): Put down.
participantOne:(1227470-1230790): Well, you know, he was thought he was arrested a couple of times.
participantTwo:(1227470-1230790): Well, you know, he was thought he was arrested a couple of times.
participantTwo:(1230830-1232330): Uh, you know, you're rested in Dayton.
participantOne:(1230830-1232330): Uh, you know, you're rested in Dayton.
participantOne:(1232330-1234790): Ohio, he was arrested in.
participantTwo:(1232330-1234790): Ohio, he was arrested in.
participantTwo:(1234830-1237690): Um, uh in Tucson, Arizona.
participantOne:(1234830-1237690): Um, uh in Tucson, Arizona.
participantOne:(1237690-1239370): You know, and he brought back to Crown.
participantTwo:(1237690-1239370): You know, and he brought back to Crown.
participantOne:(1239410-1243350): So there's there's physical descriptions of them in those arrest report.
participantTwo:(1239410-1243350): So there's there's physical descriptions of them in those arrest report.
participantOne:(1243430-1247330): I think there's also a a description in his navy records.
participantTwo:(1243430-1247330): I think there's also a a description in his navy records.
participantOne:(1247330-1249150): You know, because he was briefly in the navy.
participantTwo:(1247330-1249150): You know, because he was briefly in the navy.
participantOne:(1250000-1251860): And in all circumstances.
participantTwo:(1250000-1251860): And in all circumstances.
participantOne:(1251900-1254760): It's described as you know, blue eyes or gray eyes.
participantTwo:(1251900-1254840): It's described as you know, blue eyes or gray eyes.
participantOne:(1255300-1256640): It that's a crazy.
participantTwo:(1255300-1256640): It that's a crazy.
participantOne:(1256680-1257320): Description.
participantTwo:(1256680-1257320): Description.
participantOne:(1257320-1258980): These gray, this gray eyes.
participantTwo:(1257320-1258980): These gray, this gray eyes.
participantOne:(1259020-1265000): I mean, it's a very unique color as you're saying that in the report, but it's also the navy records to here.
participantTwo:(1259020-1265000): I mean, it's a very unique color as you're saying that in the report, but it's also the navy records to here.
participantTwo:(1265040-1265640): [laughter].
participantOne:(1265060-1265700): [laughter].
participantTwo:(1265800-1267460): Okay, Travis.
participantOne:(1265800-1267460): Okay, Travis.
participantOne:(1267460-1268320): I got a question.
participantTwo:(1267460-1268320): I got a question.
participantTwo:(1268360-1269000): Yes.
participantOne:(1268360-1269000): Yes.
participantTwo:(1270040-1272860): Who does anybody else in your family ever had gray eyes?
participantOne:(1270040-1272840): Who does anybody else in your family ever had gray eyes?
participantOne:(1273220-1278900): Um, my dad has, um, I would say the closest resembling eyes to that.
participantTwo:(1273220-1278900): Um, my dad has, um, I would say the closest resembling eyes to that.
participantOne:(1280000-1280420): Yeah.
participantTwo:(1280000-1283880): Yeah, I got so you got what I got.
participantOne:(1281580-1284440): So you got what I got .
participantTwo:(1283880-1284440): .
participantTwo:(1285120-1287760): Well, then you're probably the dead guy.
participantOne:(1285120-1287780): Well, then you're probably the dead guy.
participantOne:(1288080-1290060): Um, [laughter].
participantTwo:(1288100-1290040): Um, [laughter].
participantTwo:(1290080-1295600): So I I think it's a good. to try a Stewart something that comes to mind here is.
participantOne:(1290100-1295440): So I I think it's a good. to try a Stewart something that comes to mind here is.
participantTwo:(1296560-1302440): When they're looking at the autopsy or when they're due performing the autopsy are they using a flashlight?
participantOne:(1296650-1302430): When they're looking at the autopsy or when they're due to performing the autopsy are they using a flashlight?
participantOne:(1302430-1307150): Like you know, I mean, you think they would, they would, yeah, hard to say.
participantTwo:(1302440-1304700): Like you know, I mean, you think they would be.
participantTwo:(1305600-1307140): A hard to say.
participantTwo:(1307180-1310140): Yeah, you know, like how could they mess up is my.
participantOne:(1307190-1309470): Yeah, you know, like how could they mess up.
participantOne:(1309470-1310150): Is my.
participantOne:(1310190-1318070): How again, you know, just kind of, yeah to get the benefit of the doubt it it just could have possibly been poor lighting?
participantTwo:(1310200-1321000): How again, you know, just it yet to get the benefit of the doubt it it just could have possibly been poor lighting a you know maybe in those days?
participantOne:(1318690-1323610): Uh, you know maybe in those days you know, a typical autopsy.
participantTwo:(1321140-1323380): You know, a typical autopsy.
participantOne:(1323650-1324510): They didn't consider.
participantTwo:(1323690-1324530): They didn't consider.
participantOne:(1324510-1326790): I color important aspect of it.
participantTwo:(1324530-1326790): I color important aspect of it.
participantTwo:(1326830-1331170): Uh, you know, but but again, I I and I don't really honestly.
participantOne:(1326830-1331170): Uh, you know, but but again, I I and I don't really honestly.
participantOne:(1331170-1337550): No, how new autopsy science was at that. and what the specific protocols were for it like it is today.
participantTwo:(1331170-1337550): No, how new autopsy science was at that. and what the specific protocols were for it like it is today.
participantOne:(1338500-1347160): Um, you know, so it just to the to the pathologist it just might not have seen seem like a big deal and he just took a really quick look at those.
participantTwo:(1338500-1347160): Um, you know, so it just to the to the pathologist it just might not have seen seem like a big deal and he just took a really quick look at those.
participantTwo:(1347160-1351520): All those are Brown eyes and so you know, it could be something as simple as that.
participantOne:(1347160-1351520): All those are Brown eyes and so you know, it could be something as simple as that.
participantOne:(1351640-1355380): Um, you know to to account for it.
participantTwo:(1351640-1355380): Um, you know to to account for it.
participantTwo:(1356450-1360470): One of the rational and one of the things that my people might guess is Hey, it was hot.
participantOne:(1356450-1360470): One of the rational and one of the things that my people might guess is Hey, it was hot.
participantTwo:(1360630-1361690): He was moving.
participantOne:(1360630-1361690): He was moving.
participantTwo:(1361790-1362830): He was bloated.
participantOne:(1361790-1362830): He was bloated.
participantOne:(1363210-1365330): He was you know, cancel.
participantTwo:(1363210-1365330): He was you know, cancel.
participantOne:(1365370-1369230): Yeah, and it's a by the time you get the autopsy it's several hours later.
participantTwo:(1365370-1369230): Yeah, and it's a by the time you get the autopsy it's several hours later.
participantTwo:(1369270-1371230): A you know, after he was shot.
participantOne:(1369270-1371230): A you know, after he was shot.
participantOne:(1371430-1375170): Um, and so I could have bloodshot eyes.
participantTwo:(1371430-1375170): Um, and so I could have bloodshot eyes.
participantOne:(1376350-1378970): Well, cause he was shot through the face right here.
participantTwo:(1376350-1378970): Well, cause he was shot through the face right here.
participantTwo:(1380220-1387600): Well, yeah, but it well, it actually the bullet came out just below the, I yeah, I think the itself was was undamaged.
participantOne:(1380220-1387600): Well, yeah, but it well, it actually the bullet came out just below the, I yeah, I think the itself was was undamaged.
participantOne:(1388640-1389860): Okay, yeah, I'm.
participantTwo:(1388640-1389860): Okay, yeah, I'm.
participantOne:(1389860-1393020): Just trying I'm playing super and bloodshot eyes.
participantTwo:(1389860-1393020): Just trying I'm playing super and bloodshot eyes.
participantTwo:(1393060-1401080): Um, that's that doesn't affect the Iris, the where you know, we describe the color of the, I that's that's in the.
participantOne:(1393060-1401080): Um, that's that doesn't affect the Iris, the where you know, we describe the color of the, I that's that's in the.
participantTwo:(1401120-1406060): I think, it's called the , the the white part of the EIN that's where you see bloodshot eyes.
participantOne:(1401120-1406060): I think, it's called the , the the white part of the EIN that's where you see bloodshot eyes.
participantTwo:(1406100-1416740): So yeah, yeah, you know, and but you're you're you're, meaning of that is not that he was how drunk it's that he was he's been shot and could that you know, could the the gun shop have affected it?
participantOne:(1406100-1416740): So yeah, yeah, you know, and but you're you're you're, meaning of that is not that he was how drunk it's that he was he's been shot and could that you know, could the the gun shop have affected it?
participantOne:(1417100-1420160): Yeah, and not to mention you know when someone has like a bloody.
participantTwo:(1417100-1420160): Yeah, and not to mention you know when someone has like a bloody.
participantTwo:(1420160-1420860): I right.
participantOne:(1420160-1420860): I right.
participantTwo:(1420920-1421200): Yeah.
participantOne:(1420920-1421200): Yeah.
participantOne:(1421980-1423880): Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying.
participantTwo:(1421980-1423880): Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying.
participantTwo:(1423880-1451970): Yeah, and yeah, so you see you know, could that blood maybe have gotten into the Iris and kind of a scared of the the real color, but but again, the you know, and it's not specific in the report, you know, you would presume that he looked at both eyes, but you know, we might have you know, you might have just looked at the right eye real quickly and maybe that Joe, could actually account for it to you know if there was I mean, I'm, sure, they're probably was some kind of bleeding or confusion in that?
participantOne:(1423880-1451970): Yeah, and yeah, so you see you know, could that blood maybe have gotten into the Iris and kind of a scared of the the real color, but but again, the you know, and it's not specific in the report, you know, you would presume that he looked at both eyes, but you know, we might have you know, you might have just looked at the right eye real quickly and maybe that Joe, could actually account for it to you know if there was I mean, I'm, sure, they're probably was some kind of bleeding or confusion in that?
participantTwo:(1451970-1452790): I well, I'm.
participantOne:(1451970-1452790): I well, I'm.
participantOne:(1452790-1456210): Just trying to I'm trying to say like let's put everything out on the table here.
participantTwo:(1452790-1456210): Just trying to I'm trying to say like let's put everything out on the table here.
participantOne:(1457910-1460890): At this. and with your guys expertise.
participantTwo:(1457910-1460890): At this. and with your guys expertise.
participantOne:(1460890-1461730): I think there's.
participantTwo:(1460890-1461730): I think there's.
participantOne:(1461730-1467230): No doubt that we have at least a shot to come up with an excuse for this because let's let's face.
participantTwo:(1461730-1467230): No doubt that we have at least a shot to come up with an excuse for this because let's let's face.
participantTwo:(1467230-1470370): It like I wanna argue for him to or like that.
participantOne:(1467230-1470370): It like I wanna argue for him to or like that.
participantTwo:(1470370-1471350): It is him because.
participantOne:(1470370-1471350): It is him because.
participantOne:(1472580-1478520): You know if we can argue you got you know, reasonable doubt right leave no reasonable doubt exactly.
participantTwo:(1472580-1478520): You know if we can argue you got you know, reasonable doubt right leave no reasonable doubt exactly.
participantTwo:(1478520-1478980): It's him.
participantOne:(1478520-1478980): It's him.
participantTwo:(1478980-1481320): So, um, .
participantOne:(1478980-1481320): So, um, .
participantTwo:(1481320-1481780): May.
participantOne:(1481320-1481780): May.
participantOne:(1483510-1487550): If the FBI was scared that they really got the wrong guy.
participantTwo:(1483510-1487550): If the FBI was scared that they really got the wrong guy.
participantOne:(1489080-1498060): Would there be a lot of pressure from any agents that are on scene to push this a doctor to hurry through the report to get that done?
participantTwo:(1489080-1498080): Would there be a lot of pressure from any agents that are on scene to push this a doctor to hurry through the report to get that done?
participantOne:(1500050-1502390): And it's gonna be made during there in case.
participantTwo:(1500050-1502390): And it's gonna be made during there in case.
participantOne:(1504100-1507260): Absolutely they can and I'll tell you.
participantTwo:(1504100-1507240): Absolutely they can and I'll tell you.
participantTwo:(1507280-1507660): It.
participantOne:(1507300-1507660): It.
participantTwo:(1507700-1522880): Uh, I I've never actually heard of that in the cylinder case, but I'm actually doing quite a bit of research, right now into the John F Kennedy assassination and, uh, that outside influence without a doubt and by that.
participantOne:(1507760-1522860): I I I've never actually heard of that in the cylinder case, but I'm actually doing quite a bit of research, right now into the John F Kennedy assassination and, uh, that outside influence without a doubt and by that.
participantOne:(1522860-1535020): I mean, non pathologist present at the autopsy of of J K absolutely had an effect and uh, we're we're actually, giving orders to the pathologist as the autopsy was going on.
participantTwo:(1522880-1535010): I mean, non pathologist present at the autopsy of of J F K absolutely had an effect and uh, we're we're actually, giving orders to the pathologist as the autopsy was going on.
participantTwo:(1535050-1537730): So you know, it.
participantOne:(1535060-1536480): So you know.
participantOne:(1537240-1537740): It's.
participantTwo:(1537770-1543330): So it has happened and it it definitely can affect the quality of the autopsy that's.
participantOne:(1537780-1543320): So it has happened and it it definitely can affect the quality of the autopsy that's.
participantOne:(1543320-1557600): Why I'm kinda curious because you know if they're waiting for identification, Audrey said, yes, and I'm kind of wondering if it truly isn't him to Audrey just go ahead like, yes, that's him just to to settle it with the FBI in everyone?
participantTwo:(1543330-1548050): Why I'm kinda curious because after waiting for identification, Audrey?
participantTwo:(1548230-1549910): Yes, I'm kind of .
participantTwo:(1549910-1557900): If it truly is him to Audrey just go ahead and have him just to to settle it with the F P I never wanna see.
participantOne:(1557600-1559040): Seeing it's finally over.
participantTwo:(1557900-1558220): It's.
participantTwo:(1558220-1559020): Finally over.
participantTwo:(1559200-1560940): Yeah, I think they got him right.
participantOne:(1559220-1560920): Yeah, I think they got him right.
participantOne:(1560980-1565920): When when the father shows up and says no that's, not him right?
participantTwo:(1560980-1566200): When when the father shows up and says no that's, not him right?
participantTwo:(1566560-1566780): I'm.
participantOne:(1566580-1566760): I'm.
participantOne:(1566760-1569520): Kind of wondering like how fast this report get done.
participantTwo:(1566780-1569520): Kind of wondering like how fast this report get done.
participantTwo:(1569560-1575100): So, let's talk about real quick and you know that it lists presume something that this that it.
participantOne:(1569560-1579520): So, let's talk about real quick and you know that it lets presume something that this that it was an impostor and that you know, this was a plan it was planned delivery.
participantTwo:(1575100-1579520): Wasn't impostor and that you know, this was a plan this is planned delivery.
participantTwo:(1579560-1580300): Somehow.
participantOne:(1579560-1580300): Somehow.
participantTwo:(1580300-1583030): And someone that was helping him found.
participantOne:(1580300-1583030): And someone that was helping him found.
participantOne:(1583070-1584090): This Patsy.
participantTwo:(1583070-1584090): This Patsy.
participantOne:(1584090-1589510): If you will that looked like him enough somehow the Patsy was convinced to.
participantTwo:(1584090-1589530): If you will that looked like him enough somehow the Patsy was convinced to.
participantOne:(1589570-1591270): I don't know you know.
participantTwo:(1589570-1591270): I don't know you know.
participantOne:(1592090-1592710): Befriend.
participantTwo:(1592090-1592710): Befriend.
participantTwo:(1592710-1594010): This Anna, Sage.
participantOne:(1592710-1594010): This Anna, Sage.
participantOne:(1594370-1597190): And you know that he looked enough like billing.
participantTwo:(1594370-1597190): And you know that he looked enough like billing.
participantOne:(1597190-1606500): Sure that you know, they were able to do this if that happened, I would presume Travis knowing how well, that John loved his family and his family loved him.
participantTwo:(1597190-1606500): Sure that you know, they were able to do this if that happened, I would presume Travis knowing how well, that John loved his family and his family loved him.
participantOne:(1606500-1606700): There's.
participantTwo:(1606500-1606700): There's.
participantOne:(1606700-1607900): No doubt about that.
participantTwo:(1606700-1607900): No doubt about that.
participantTwo:(1607940-1612920): You know, uh, that, uh, probably the family would have known about it.
participantOne:(1607940-1613000): You know, uh, that, uh, probably the family would have known about it.
participantTwo:(1613020-1615940): Uh, you know or maybe you know, it's, certainly org.
participantOne:(1613040-1615940): Uh, you know or maybe you know, it's, certainly org.
participantTwo:(1615940-1617480): Cause John was close to Audrey.
participantOne:(1615940-1617480): Cause John was close to Audrey.
participantOne:(1618000-1623900): You know that that the, you know, maybe he let her know or somehow it wasn't you know, she already knew about it.
participantTwo:(1618000-1623900): You know that that the, you know, maybe he let her know or somehow it wasn't you know, she already knew about it.
participantTwo:(1623940-1629720): You know, again, we don't have any confirmation of that, but it is it is reasonable.
participantOne:(1623960-1629720): You know, again, we don't have any confirmation of that, but it is it is reasonable.
participantTwo:(1629760-1635040): That if if this was a planned thing that that probably someone in the family would have known about it.
participantOne:(1629760-1635040): That if if this was a planned thing that that probably someone in the family would have known about it.
participantTwo:(1635840-1638820): How quickly did the family get up there to Chicago that night?
participantOne:(1635840-1638820): How quickly did the family get up there to Chicago that night?
participantOne:(1640940-1650840): I'm a 00% sure, I've, never Grandma, never got it down the details about how fast like I said, Audrey is the first one up there.
participantTwo:(1640940-1650840): I'm a 00% sure, I've, never Grandma, never got it down the details about how fast like I said, Audrey is the first one up there.
participantTwo:(1650880-1651840): So.
participantOne:(1650880-1651840): So.
participantTwo:(1653270-1655870): How fast where she was at the time, which got notified?
participantOne:(1653270-1655870): How fast where she was at the time, which got notified?
participantOne:(1655870-1660050): I I would say you know, probably 34 hours at that time.
participantTwo:(1655870-1660050): I I would say you know, probably 34 hours at that time.
participantOne:(1660090-1664530): Yeah, I mean, Minneapolis Chicago, it's, right about close to three hours now.
participantTwo:(1660090-1664530): Yeah, I mean, Minneapolis Chicago, it's, right about close to three hours now.
participantTwo:(1665270-1669070): Um, I'm seeing for about four hours after notification.
participantOne:(1665270-1669050): Um, I'm seeing for about four hours after notification.
participantTwo:(1669330-1669570): Yeah.
participantOne:(1669330-1669570): Yeah.
participantTwo:(1673150-1679930): Who knows what had been discussed before family up there, right?
participantOne:(1673150-1679930): Who knows what had been discussed before family up there, right?
participantTwo:(1680010-1681630): When you said he wouldn't?
participantOne:(1680010-1681630): When you said he wouldn't?
participantTwo:(1681630-1683590): They would've known about Apache.
participantOne:(1681630-1683590): They would've known about a Patsy.
participantOne:(1684150-1688290): What do you mean by that like you mean they would've John would've called and said, Hey, I'm, not gonna die?
participantTwo:(1684150-1688290): What do you mean by that like you mean they would've John would've called and said, Hey, I'm, not gonna die?
participantOne:(1688430-1697430): Yeah, absolutely yeah, because he's gonna need a he was very close to his family family there's.
participantTwo:(1688430-1696790): Yeah, absolutely yeah, because he's gonna need a he was very close to his family family .
participantTwo:(1696790-1697430): You know, there's.
participantTwo:(1697430-1698210): No doubt about that.
participantOne:(1697430-1698210): No doubt about that.
participantOne:(1698820-1704840): And he was able to speak into the family farm, right under 24 hour FBI surveillance.
participantTwo:(1698820-1704840): And he was able to speak into the family farm, right under 24 hour FBI surveillance.
participantOne:(1705420-1707080): So he felt safe there.
participantTwo:(1705420-1707060): So he felt safe there.
participantTwo:(1707340-1709760): Uh, he probably feel safer at that form then.
participantOne:(1707340-1709760): Uh, he probably feel safer at that form then.
participantOne:(1709760-1715920): Anywhere on the planet and so it would make sense that if the if the world thinks he's dead.
participantTwo:(1709760-1715920): Anywhere on the planet and so it would make sense that if the if the world thinks he's dead.
participantTwo:(1716440-1728870): Um, then he would probably be far easier to speak back to the farm and then it could maybe, uh, use that just as a base of operations to do whatever he was gonna do to start a new life Stewart.
participantOne:(1716440-1728870): Um, then he would probably be far easier to speak back to the farm and then it could maybe, uh, use that just as a base of operations to do whatever he was gonna do to start a new life Stewart.
participantTwo:(1728870-1730170): I would agree with you.
participantOne:(1728870-1730170): I would agree with you.
participantOne:(1730170-1736710): That the family known and this will come up later in this investigation like how the what the family did the pictures.
participantTwo:(1730170-1736710): That the family known and this will come up later in this investigation like how the what the family did the pictures.
participantTwo:(1736710-1745450): They took and how they acted after the yeah, that's gonna show up that reason why I only thought there's something fishy from odd.
participantOne:(1736710-1745450): They took and how they acted after the yeah, that's gonna show up that reason why I only thought there's something fishy from odd.
participantTwo:(1746730-1750270): Um, about how the family acted imposed with stuff.
participantOne:(1746730-1750270): Um, about how the family acted imposed with stuff.
participantOne:(1750810-1751830): Um, is that's.
participantTwo:(1750810-1751830): Um, is that's.
participantTwo:(1751830-1755470): Why I always kind of pushed me to believe that it wasn't him in Chicago?
participantOne:(1751830-1755470): Why I always kind of pushed me to believe that it wasn't him in Chicago?
participantOne:(1757000-1757880): Nice Travis.
participantTwo:(1757000-1757880): Nice Travis.
participantTwo:(1757920-1760000): Keep them keep them on their toes out here.
participantOne:(1757920-1760000): Keep them keep them on their toes out here.
participantOne:(1760040-1763220): Keep them on the edge of their seat Travis.
participantTwo:(1760040-1763220): Keep them on the edge of their seat Travis.
participantTwo:(1763220-1764220): Is good I'll.
participantOne:(1763220-1764220): Is good I'll.
participantTwo:(1764260-1767840): Let me let me just read this because I think this part's good several recent studies.
participantOne:(1764260-1767840): Let me let me just read this because I think this part's good several recent studies.
participantOne:(1767840-1769780): Were reviewed regarding post modem.
participantTwo:(1767840-1769780): Were reviewed regarding post modem.
participantTwo:(1769780-1771780): Color changes from my review.
participantOne:(1769780-1771780): Color changes from my review.
participantOne:(1771780-1774440): The findings these studies consistently concluded.
participantTwo:(1771780-1774440): The findings these studies consistently concluded.
participantOne:(1774540-1776320): That no significant changes in.
participantTwo:(1774540-1776320): That no significant changes in.
participantOne:(1776320-1783750): I color occur to the Iris, which is the portion of the eye that gives color after death until decomposition begins?
participantTwo:(1776320-1783750): I color occur to the Iris, which is the portion of the eye that gives color after death until decomposition begins?
participantTwo:(1783790-1786770): This includes testing done in different different temperatures.
participantOne:(1783790-1786770): This includes testing done in different different temperatures.
participantOne:(1786830-1801550): However, there is a phenomenal known as the carnal optional corneal O opacity opacity or or corneal clouding the corner is the clear covering of the.
participantTwo:(1786830-1793650): However, there is a phenomenal known as the carnal optional corneal [laughter].
participantTwo:(1793690-1801550): Oh. opacity opacity or or corneal clouding the corner is the clear covering of the.
participantTwo:(1801550-1804830): I post modem the corner will cloud or become opaque.
participantOne:(1801550-1804830): I post modem the corner will cloud or become opaque.
participantOne:(1805240-1812260): This calling begin shortly after death and increases steadily as the time of death increases heavily, clouding of the cornea.
participantTwo:(1805260-1812260): This calling begin shortly after death and increases steadily as the time of death increases heavily, clouding of the cornea.
participantTwo:(1812260-1822920): Can make it difficult to see the specific color Irish guy color also after that the muscles, the Iris may relax, which is can cause fully dilated people's people.
participantOne:(1812260-1822920): Can make it difficult to see the specific color Irish guy color also after that the muscles, the Iris may relax, which is can cause fully dilated people's people.
participantTwo:(1822920-1823440): Dilation.
participantOne:(1822920-1823440): Dilation.
participantOne:(1823440-1829160): Could further complicate the Iris color identification, that's that's, a good argument.
participantTwo:(1823440-1829160): Could further complicate the Iris color identification, that's that's, a good argument.
participantOne:(1829440-1830780): Yep, that absolutely.
participantTwo:(1829440-1830780): Yep, that absolutely.
participantOne:(1830780-1837040): It could be you know, again, like you said a a combination of a confusion on the.
participantTwo:(1830780-1837040): It could be you know, again, like you said a a combination of a confusion on the.
participantTwo:(1837040-1841000): I and then completely relaxed the people's.
participantOne:(1837040-1841000): I and then completely relaxed the people's.
participantTwo:(1841300-1844780): Uh, at first glance could've just those are Brown eyes.
participantOne:(1841300-1844780): Uh, at first glance could've just those are Brown eyes.
participantTwo:(1844820-1846300): Yeah, absolutely absolutely.
participantOne:(1844820-1846320): Yeah, absolutely absolutely.
participantTwo:(1846700-1852080): And then you have actual pictures of a body post modem with blue gray blue eyes.
participantOne:(1846700-1852080): And then you have actual pictures of a body post modem with blue gray blue eyes.
participantOne:(1852160-1856680): Yep, and you can see five hours 16 hours and 27 hours post modem.
participantTwo:(1852160-1856660): Yep, and you can see five hours 16 hours and 27 hours post modem.
participantTwo:(1856720-1859870): Yep, that's pretty and really you can see it.
participantOne:(1856720-1859880): Yep, that's pretty and really you can see it.
participantTwo:(1859870-1864550): You can see from left to right you can see that you know what they're calling that.
participantOne:(1859880-1864560): You can see from left to right you can see that you know what they're calling that.
participantTwo:(1864550-1867270): Opaque opacity or opaqueness.
participantOne:(1864560-1867320): Opaque opacity or opaqueness.
participantTwo:(1867330-1872510): Uh, you know of that of the cornea and but you can still tell that it's a blue.
participantOne:(1867360-1872500): Uh, you know of that of the cornea and but you can still tell that it's a blue.
participantOne:(1872500-1877200): Why even a you know at that at that length of time?
participantTwo:(1872510-1877150): Why even a you know at that at that length of time?
participantOne:(1877240-1890840): Yeah, yeah, and ultimately the timeline doesn't really insert a John timeline of the old type C you know, post modem that it wouldn't clouded up that quickly.
participantTwo:(1877270-1886310): Yeah, yeah, and ultimately the timeline doesn't really insert a John timeline of the all types.
participantTwo:(1886310-1890840): You know, post modem that it wouldn't clouded up that quickly.
participantTwo:(1891100-1893080): It could say 27 hours.
participantOne:(1891120-1893080): It could say 27 hours.
participantTwo:(1893220-1898040): Postpartum and the autopsy was how many hours after just just a few hours?
participantOne:(1893220-1898040): Postpartum and the autopsy was how many hours after just just a few hours?
participantTwo:(1898080-1901540): Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we'll say one thing to this.
participantOne:(1898080-1901540): Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we'll say one thing to this.
participantTwo:(1901580-1902700): It just came to my memory.
participantOne:(1901580-1902700): It just came to my memory.
participantOne:(1902700-1903660): What my Grandma said?
participantTwo:(1902700-1903660): What my Grandma said?
participantOne:(1903820-1905460): Well, great [laughter].
participantTwo:(1903820-1905440): Well, great [laughter].
participantTwo:(1905480-1908400): When when my great grandfather was in the room?
participantOne:(1905500-1908360): When when my great grandfather was in the room?
participantTwo:(1908720-1910400): He said when the FBI agent.
participantOne:(1908720-1910400): He said when the FBI agent.
participantOne:(1910400-1911660): We're not paying attention.
participantTwo:(1910400-1911660): We're not paying attention.
participantTwo:(1911700-1916900): He touched and examined body some he did look around the body.
participantOne:(1911700-1916900): He touched and examined body from he did look around the body.
participantTwo:(1916900-1917220): So.
participantOne:(1916900-1917220): So.
participantOne:(1918000-1921500): I'm, I I other than just that detail.
participantTwo:(1918000-1921500): I'm, I I other than just that detail.
participantOne:(1921500-1926000): I'm, not sure like did that happen after or before.
participantTwo:(1921500-1925980): I'm, not sure like did that happen after or before.
participantTwo:(1926020-1927640): He went to the side room.
participantOne:(1926040-1927640): He went to the side room.
participantTwo:(1927920-1928680): I'm, not sure.
participantOne:(1927920-1928680): I'm, not sure.
participantOne:(1928680-1939400): Grandma didn't really elaborate on that, but if he would've examined it on his own just real quickly and realize there's stuff missing that he would have known about that.
participantTwo:(1928680-1939400): Grandma didn't really elaborate on that, but if he would've examined it on his own just real quickly and realize there's stuff missing that he would have known about that.
participantTwo:(1939400-1940700): Might have been wife like this isn't.
participantOne:(1939400-1940700): Might have been wife like this isn't.
participantOne:(1940700-1941120): My fund.
participantTwo:(1940700-1941120): My fund.
participantOne:(1944810-1945930): I'm stopped.
participantTwo:(1944810-1945930): I'm stopped.
participantOne:(1946130-1947670): I can go either way at this.
participantTwo:(1946130-1947670): I can go either way at this.
participantTwo:(1947990-1949490): Yeah, I really, I really couldn't.
participantOne:(1947990-1949490): Yeah, I really, I really couldn't.
participantTwo:(1949490-1950350): I mean, yeah, I wanna.
participantOne:(1949490-1950350): I mean, yeah, I wanna.
participantOne:(1951490-1951790): Again.
participantTwo:(1951490-1951790): Again.
participantTwo:(1951790-1958970): There's explain you know, and and and as I've said before in any case that I've ever worked.
participantOne:(1951790-1958970): There's explain you know, and and and as I've said before in any case that I've ever worked.
participantTwo:(1958970-1962390): I'm, always looking for what what are the weak spots on my case.
participantOne:(1958970-1962390): I'm, always looking for what what are the weak spots on my case.
participantTwo:(1962430-1966860): Uh, you know, um, are my are the initial allegations wrong.
participantOne:(1962430-1966860): Uh, you know, um, are my are the initial allegations wrong.
participantOne:(1966860-1969460): That I got is the evidence not bearing out.
participantTwo:(1966860-1969460): That I got is the evidence not bearing out.
participantTwo:(1969460-1971740): What I thought it did constantly?
participantOne:(1969460-1971740): What I thought it did constantly?
participantTwo:(1971740-1975040): Critiquing that and I just applied the same thing to this.
participantOne:(1971740-1975040): Critiquing that and I just applied the same thing to this.
participantOne:(1975040-1978500): You know, I always want to know is there an explanation.
participantTwo:(1975040-1978500): You know, I always want to know is there an explanation.
participantOne:(1978540-1985660): Uh, you know, uh, and so yeah, there could be a logical explanation as to why the doctor you know said Brown eyes instead of blue.
participantTwo:(1978540-1985660): Uh, you know, uh, and so yeah, there could be a logical explanation as to why the doctor you know said Brown eyes instead of blue.
participantOne:(1986690-1986930): Yep.
participantTwo:(1986690-1986930): Yep.
participantTwo:(1988190-1989430): Thank you, Stuart.
participantOne:(1988190-1989430): Thank you, Stuart.
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participantTwo:(2022480-2026840): Did so, Stuart you're ready to get demolished by our listen exactly.
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participantOne:(2026840-2028300): Yeah, [laughter].
participantTwo:(2026840-2028120): Yeah, [laughter].
participantOne:(2028420-2029440): I can already see it now.
participantTwo:(2028420-2029440): I can already see it now.
participantOne:(2029440-2030380): This guy's an idiot.
participantTwo:(2029440-2030380): This guy's an idiot.
participantTwo:(2030380-2037040): He doesn't know what he's talking about [laughter], but you much, but I will tell you I'm.
participantOne:(2030380-2037040): He doesn't know what he's talking about [laughter], but you much, but I will tell you I'm.
participantTwo:(2037080-2041780): I perfectly open to click and uh, you know, I'm not.
participantOne:(2037080-2041800): I perfectly open to click and uh, you know, I'm not.
participantTwo:(2041820-2045980): So a committed to this that I will not admit that.
participantOne:(2041840-2045980): So a committed to this that I will not admit that.
participantTwo:(2045980-2048360): Hey, that's a reasonable explanation.
participantOne:(2045980-2048360): Hey, that's a reasonable explanation.
participantOne:(2048360-2049420): This this works.
participantTwo:(2048360-2049420): This this works.
participantTwo:(2049420-2051580): This doesn't work I'm wide open to it.
participantOne:(2049420-2051580): This doesn't work I'm wide open to it.
participantOne:(2053150-2057270): Just I'm I'm just glad that were being transparent with the viewers.
participantTwo:(2053150-2057270): Just I'm I'm just glad that were being transparent with the viewers.
participantTwo:(2057890-2064750): Um, about every every evidence you have in our possession that we can bring to public cause someone else might have a better idea.
participantOne:(2057890-2064750): Um, about every every evidence you have in our possession that we can bring to public cause someone else might have a better idea.
participantTwo:(2064750-2065330): What we have?
participantOne:(2064750-2065330): What we have?
participantTwo:(2065370-2065870): Cause we've been.
participantOne:(2065370-2065870): Cause we've been.
participantOne:(2065870-2066510): So Emerson.
participantTwo:(2065870-2066510): So Emerson.
participantOne:(2066510-2069930): This exactly and there maybe an explanation for the years.
participantTwo:(2066510-2069930): This exactly and there maybe an explanation for the years.
participantOne:(2070710-2074150): Absolutely yeah, that could be one out there.
participantTwo:(2070710-2074150): Absolutely yeah, that could be one out there.
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participantTwo:(2078730-2084510): There's there's guys we're we're, not done we're, not even half way into this report right.
participantOne:(2078730-2084510): There's there's guys we're we're, not done we're, not even half way into this report right.
participantOne:(2084550-2085310): So I mean.
participantTwo:(2084550-2085310): So I mean.
participantOne:(2086110-2087690): We're I'm looking at here.
participantTwo:(2086110-2087690): We're I'm looking at here.
participantOne:(2087690-2091090): Um, there's there's there's a few few good ones.
participantTwo:(2087690-2091090): Um, there's there's there's a few few good ones.
participantOne:(2091530-2105290): And we're gonna try to keep going here and and uh, also work to try to get some experts for maybe possibly some other forms of discrepancies from the autopsy we're having a blast, this is really fun.
participantTwo:(2091530-2105310): And we're gonna try to keep going here and and uh, also work to try to get some experts for maybe possibly some other forms of discrepancies from the autopsy we're having a blast, this is really fun.
participantOne:(2105710-2106870): We the guys.
participantTwo:(2105710-2106870): We the guys.
participantOne:(2106910-2112060): We have a group tax that just blows up when we find something where like got guys look at this look.
participantTwo:(2106910-2112060): We have a group tax that just blows up when we find something where like got guys look at this look.
participantOne:(2112060-2113500): This [laughter].
participantTwo:(2112060-2113500): This [laughter].
participantTwo:(2113540-2117160): So, um, we're hoping you're having a good time to listen to us.
participantOne:(2113540-2117160): So, um, we're hoping you're having a good time to listen to us.
participantOne:(2117280-2128660): And kind of last thoughts here on on you know, the moles, the this the the height, the weight, the eyes you know, it this this may not be for everybody.
participantTwo:(2117280-2128660): And kind of last thoughts here on on you know, the moles, the this the the height, the weight, the eyes you know, it this this may not be for everybody.
participantTwo:(2128660-2135360): But you know, I actually, I enjoy you know, talking about these kind of details and getting in the weeds on this kind of stuff.
participantOne:(2128660-2135360): But you know, I actually, I enjoy you know, talking about these kind of details and getting in the weeds on this kind of stuff.
participantOne:(2135880-2140880): And you know, talking about autopsies and run shots and you don't say you know.
participantTwo:(2135880-2140880): And you know, talking about autopsies and run shots and you don't say you know.
participantTwo:(2142040-2145040): Really you like [laughter], you like that there's.
participantOne:(2142060-2145040): Really you like [laughter], you like that there's.
participantTwo:(2145040-2147100): No way I can't [laughter].
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