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this on New Year's Eve and so uh this
show will will be released on New Year's
Day we will'll be interesting to see how
many people watch or listen to it on New
Year's Day but I'm sure I'll get some
some watches and some listens um in the
preceding days and weeks um but as we
round out 20124 enter into 2025 we're
going to um we're I'm almost done with
with kind of my end of year beginning of
year episodes but today I want to
discuss my bold predictions for 2025 we
just went over my bold predictions for
2024 and what I got right what I got
wrong so here we go pressure is on will
I do well with my bold predictions in
2025 I wasn't really happy with my bold
predictions in 24 um so I want to see
some improvement we need to to get
better at this right um now 2024 was an
extremely challenging year to predict on
so many different levels there were so
many things happening um so it I feel
like in some ways I did pretty well but
again I wasn't satisfied with those
results so hopefully I will do better uh
with this year and I'm just going to
jump right in with the number one
question right the the thing that the
entire housing market hinges on right
now mortgage rates what will happen with
regard to mortgage rates in
2025 and here is my bold prediction
number one is that mortgage rates will
will remain above 6% per mortgage News
Daily for the entire ire year okay so
where do they sit right now currently
they sit at
7.06% on mortgage News Daily if you go
on that website that's for the 30-year
fixed rate mortgage reminder as always
that doesn't mean that that's what your
rate is that just means that that's what
an aggregator mortgage News Daily has
pulled together uh for a lot of people
across the
country um the average person with a
very good credit score um good uh
history in terms of their credit and in
terms of home ownership and all of that
would likely do better than 7.06 today
but that's between you and your lender
they have to tell you that um but my
prediction is that we're not going to
see rates go below 6% and that's the the
only thing I feel confident in saying um
I do think that we will see most of the
year in the 6% range um you know right
now we're we're sitting in the low six
in the low sevens um um I I suspect it
might get worse before it gets better
but I do think at some point we will see
it come back into the sixes and maybe by
the end of the year we're in the low
sixes but if it went into the fives I
would be truly truly surprised at this
point it looked like uh earlier in 2024
that maybe we would see rates start to
retreat into the fives and that was what
a lot of people were predicting and a
lot of people were predicting it'll go
into the fives in 20125 not quite ready
to make that prediction yet because we
need to see what is going to happen in
the Trump economy right we need to know
you know how many tariffs and how
restrictive of tariffs are is Trump
going to impose and and there's debates
over whether tariffs are inflationary or
not um well the debates don't matter
that much at the end of the day because
what matters more is perception uh when
it comes to mortgage rates at least so
if the market if the if investors not
the real estate market but the investor
Market if they believe the tariffs are
inflationary then once Trump you know if
he imposes big tariffs what's going to
happen is the bond market is going to go
wacky right people are going to uh pull
money out of the bond market that's
going to send treasury yields soaring
and that's going to cause mortgage rates
to go up um if the investor
Market is kind of looking back at 2018
when Trump imposed his tariffs last time
he didn't do it in 2016 right so that's
another wild card we don't even know if
these tariffs are going to happen this
year because if we look at his at his
blueprint from his last presidency he
waited a couple years before he uh
imposed those tariffs um so that's
another thing to consider as well but
long story short um if um if we look at
2018 the tariffs weren't infl were not
inflationary that Trump imposed but they
also weren't as Extreme as he had
proposed um and the economy was
completely different back then right we
we weren't uh trying to reduce inflation
in 2018 we were comfortable with where
inflation was and and the Fed was just
trying to figure out what was happening
um and they didn't overreact and it
turns out the tariffs didn't end up
being inflationary but they can be
particularly in the short term U most
economists think they would be um and so
so here we go we've got a lot of things
in in this pot that are all being
stirred together and none not the least
of which is what the Federal Reserve is
going to do now I've said on the show if
you've been listening to several episod
past several episodes Federal Reserve
has been cutting rates but that hasn't
caused mortgage rates to come down and
that's because again it has more to do
with treasury yields what's happening on
that side than it does with uh with what
the Federal Reserve is doing on the FED
funds rate with regard to what happens
with mortgage rates um that being said
the FED funds rate and maybe more
importantly what the Fed says the fed's
statements their projections their
predictions all of that um that does
indirectly impact all of these things
because it impacts investor Behavior
which then impacts treasury yields okay
so the FED is um is at the you know at
the they're steering the ship here okay
either directly or
indirectly and what they do does have
importance even though uh their more
recent rate Cuts have not translated
into mortgage rates going down um and
interesting thing right now is uh uh fed
Reserve J Powell came out with some
comments uh after the the most recent
rate cut that they made in the month of
December and he said that they are not
uh trying to make any predictions with
regard to what the Trump Administration
is going to do they are simply focused
on data well that's simply not true
um and we know that's not true because
they were rised as soon as Trump was
elected they rised how many rate Cuts
they were predicting to make in
2025 um and now they're predicting that
they're going to make fewer rate Cuts in
2025 well how does that happen after a
president gets elected if you're not
projecting that that president is going
to do things that impact you know the
economy and and where rates need to be
and and inflation all of that um very
clearly they are looking at Trump's
proposals and reading the tea leaves
there even though they are in denial
about that um J pal is trying really
really hard to not be partisan um but
the reality is that we know that the the
FED is partisan you can look at at who
they donate to um overwhelming
overwhelmingly Democrats um and so even
though they've done a pretty good job of
of not uh making decisions that would be
political politically partisan you know
like trying to wreck the economy when
there's a Republican president in office
or trying to really stimulate the
economy when there's a democrat in
office they haven't done that they're
not partisan of that way um but um but
they
clearly uh prefer Biden I or kamla I I
think that that is clear from the
standpoint of their job
predictability uh with what the markets
are going to do and uh with what they
will need to do in the future they
strongly preferred that but long story
short uh regardless of any of these
things I'm predicting that mortgage
rates will not go below 5% according to
mortgage News Daily now I've had clients
get four or five% the past few years uh
by means of of various lender programs
so it's not impossible um to get much
lower than what these uh standard
aggregated rates are uh but sometimes
you've got to get creative so uh let me
know if you have questions about that
happy to answer
those that was the big one uh but we've
got another big one here okay more on a
broader level because you know even
though this isn't specifically a
Greenville real estate and and some of
these a lot of these are not going to be
Greenville specific uh but this one's
not even real estate specific but it's a
very important question I asked the same
question last year it's worth asking
again this year two it's kind of a
two-part question right about the
broader economy will we have a recession
and will inflation go to 2% right the
the FED has said they are not going to
call calm down bring rates down until
inflation settles around 2% they keep
saying that they keep coming back to
that so what are my predictions here
well um I predicted that we would have
no recession in 2024 and I was right um
and I'm predicting once again that we
will have no recession
2025 um I think that the economy looks
fairly strong I think the potential for
uh for a bunch of negative GDP GDP
prints is fairly unlikely at this point
um again a lot hinges on these tariffs
and what happens with them nobody knows
um
but I tend to think that if if Trump did
something that immediately started to
cause negative GDP prints I think he
would immediately reverse course or
start doing stimulus or something to try
to reverse that um so I believe that
there will be no recession now as far as
inflation goes
that is a much harder thing to predict
okay um I believe okay and this is
really going out on a limb um I think
that we will see inflation return to at
or below 2% by the fourth quarter of
2025 um and the reason why I I believe
that I'm not going to get too In The
Weeds on this again this is a real
estate show it's not an economic show
and I'm not an economist um but just
what I'm seeing in the
data I'm I'm seeing a lot of there's a
lot of weakness in the underlying uh
economic data that I know the Federal
Reserve is seeing and that a lot of
other people are seeing but it's not
that weakness hasn't yet shown up yet
okay I'll just say it that way um but it
will right I think maybe we've been uh
propped up a little bit by the holidays
and and very things happening hurricane
Helen messed up a lot of things I I do
think that we'll see um some some
weakness in the economic data right not
a recession but weakness that comes in
that then drives inflation down um over
the course of the year it might get
worse before it gets better right we
might see inflation
uh start to go up a little bit again
tariffs could cause that we don't know
uh before it comes back down now if
you're an educated
listener which I'm not going to I'm not
going to tell you if you are or aren't
I'll let you be the decider of that um
but if you're you're a really educated
listener um then you're probably
wondering well by what metric are you
measuring whether we get to 2% inflation
or not um if you're on YouTube you can
see I'm sharing from federalreserve.gov
a page that says the economy at a glance
inflation in parentheses
pce uh this is one personal consumption
expenditures price index one of the main
measures of inflation um this is what
I'm going to be looking at currently as
of November obviously we don't have
December yet um I'm recording this the
end of December um so they don't have
December's data yet um but as of
November it was sitting at
2.4 um which was an increase from
2.1 in September 2.3 in October up to 2
.4 in
November um so we almost you know we
were September got to 2.1 so we almost
hit 2% uh but we've been we've been
increasing each month since since then
not surprisingly um and I again I
wouldn't be surprised if we continue to
increase a little bit before going back
down uh but it's been really hard to get
down to this 2% level I mean if you're
looking on YouTube you can see we've
been you know uh during the worst of
times in June 2022 we were at 7.2% you
know that was when uh that was when the
Federal Reserve started freaking out and
for good reason uh we don't want
7.2% uh inflation that's insane so this
this will be what I'm tracking as the
pce that will um that needs to go to 2%
by the fourth quarter for me to be
accurate on this
prediction number three and this is a
question um that then I will answer in
in the form of a prediction um are any
more big Chang changes coming to the
real estate industry okay specifically
in Greenville but also more
broadly and I just want to say something
before I answer this question and and
this applies to any of these questions
these are all opinions that I have
they're educated opinions but they are
not official statements and nothing I'm
saying on here is revealing any sort of
confidential information that I'm privy
to um that other people wouldn't have
access to let me say it that way way so
in answering this I'm not revealing
anything that I know uh from uh
connections that I may or may not have
um that you may or may not also have
okay so don't read into this beyond that
this is just me speculating um I don't
have some kind of weird Insider uh
inside track to uh to knowing the answer
to this anymore so maybe I have a little
bit more so but I'm not revealing
anything um in this answer uh that is uh
anything confidential that you wouldn't
be able to find out just by talking to a
few people um that know what they're
talking about in the industry okay any
big changes coming here's what I think I
think it'll be mostly business as usual
for 2025 with one exception I'm quite
confident that more paperwork changes
are coming from the South Carolina
Association of Realtors we had a lot of
paperwork changes in 2024 right as uh as
scr was trying to adjust on the Fly and
scram ramble to accommodate the sudden
release of the National Association of
realtor settlement uh from the sister
brnette lawsuit um a lot of changes
happened and those were reactionary
changes right these were we oh crap we
need to comply now um so that we don't
get in trouble with the with get into
legal trouble um or get into trouble
with the
N um well that was reactionary I think
that this year we're going to see more
forward looking more of a forward
looking approach that is saying
okay everything seems to be working but
maybe a few things could be better let's
change these things and let's also think
about down the road what will be the
more long-term impacts what are the
trends that we're seeing now from
brokerages all across the state and how
can we bake those those into um our
contract paperwork and the various
paperwork that we have um so
unfortunately if you're a realtor
listening to this um and I know several
that do um you're going to have to go to
more training for more paperwork I'm
sorry and if you're uh someone that
bought or sold a home a few years ago um
and and you're looking at maybe buying
or selling a home in
2025 I've got some some well it might
not be the worst news for you but
basically anything you think you knew
about the contract back then about the
real estate process back then you're
going to have to be brought back up to
speed it's different now and it's going
to continue to be different in 2025 now
do I think we're going to see major
changes with the multiple listing
service major changes with clear
cooperation uh which is inside baseball
talk that I'm not going to get into um I
think it's
possible but um at the moment I'm
leaning towards no I'm leaning towards
that that probably those things are
going to more or less it like I said be
business as usual um that the current
rules are going to remain the current
rules current structur is going to
remain the current structure and I just
think that the biggest thing we're going
to run into is um on the paperwork side
of things that we're going to see the
South Carolina Association of Realtors
and and perhaps even the local
Association combined with local
brokerages I think are going to um be
changing a lot when it comes to
paperwork um what about prices in
Greenville okay so uh we track or on the
show I track with you guys the median
price point for uh for Greenville which
is not exactly appreciation or
depreciation uh but it's the closest
metric that we have for tracking it so
again if you're on YouTube you can look
at our most recent Market
stats um which was the month of uh which
came out in November covering you know
what actually I pulled up the wrong ones
hold on give me one second here
H would be good if I pulled up the right
thing here um well you know what it
doesn't really matter for the purposes
of this episode basically we have now
had multiple straight months and I
already discussed this with you guys
we've had three straight months of um of
negative uh appreciation or what you
would possibly call depreciation now
again we have to be careful with what
we're how we word this how we say this
because when we're looking at the medium
price point we're not exactly precisely
looking at appreciation or
depreciation um it is that right it it
it does track that so like when we were
seeing insane
appreciation um during okay and I I
finally I apologize for that I finally
pulled it up for some reason uh my
computer did not want to find the uh the
most recent Market set so I'm pulling
that back up if you're on YouTube to
give you something to look at besides my
my lovely face
um when we were seeing insian
appreciation back uh back in 2020 21 uh
first half of
2022 uh the the median sales price was
taking off right and if you want to look
back at the at the great financial
crisis um 2007 through you know roughly
2012 you see that that was also
reflected in the median sales price
so what you don't want to do is to
overreact too strongly to monthon Monon
trends for this but once you start
to see a pattern that's when it starts
to become something that's noteworthy
right so we now have a pattern of three
straight months where the year on-year
percent change is in the negatives for
the medium price point that very well
could indicate a depreciating
environment I would like to see a little
bit more data before I come to that
conclusion um three months small sample
size right that's one quarter um I I'd
like to see a little bit more before
concluding that we are in a
depreciating Market here in Greenville
specifically um but that's what's
happening currently but here's what I'm
thinking is going to happen with regard
to the median sales price for the year
2025 I think it's going to be between
negative - 1% and 2% for the year as
opposed to 2024
so uh I don't yet know what the uh the
final median sales prices for
2024 you'll have to tune in with me in a
few weeks whenever the December Market
stats get published so that we can talk
about that um November was sitting at
3,000 uh three sorry 305,000 was what
November was sitting at um I I'd be
surprised if December doesn't jump up a
little bit from that number um but
basically we're going to be needing to
see prices uh in in order to get better
than that uh we're going to need to see
prices you know
go up into the the 310 or something like
that um to to hit you know around that
2% number U but I'm also saying like I
said I'm doing a range here I did last
year I did a range between zero and 3%
this year I'm dialing that back a little
bit to minus 1% to 2% we might see a
year of prices getting better for buyers
we might see year prices staying
slightly stable getting a little bit
better for sellers um but uh 2%
appreciation if we if we think about
this specifically as two as
appreciation that's that's almost not
even noticeable right like that's that's
very very basic very very steady um and
here's why you don't want
to another reason why the median sales
price isn't a perfect measure it's a
good measure of appreciation or
depreciation but it's not perfect again
you can have a a a builder that sell
sells off a bunch of homes all at the
same time that really skews the stats
for one month or you could have um an
investor liquidate a bunch of really bad
rental properties we had this happen in
Gaffney a few years ago um bunch of
unlivable I mean these these places
stunk I showed a bunch of them uh these
apartments they were awful sold off
several hundred apartments in Gaffney um
and that you know that kind of stuff you
know you you sell off a bunch of
apartments for3 ,000 a pop because
they're unlivable that skews these stats
so these are the sorts of things that
this is why I don't base anything off of
one month here one month here I want to
see a trend line um and right now the
trend line is not super positive if
you're a seller great if you're a
buyer um but I think that it's going to
be a year of very minimal if any
appreciation is kind of the long story
short and by the end of the year we'll
see if we're um around minus betweenus
1% and 2% appreciation that would put us
right in line with what 2024 was um so
if you're wondering what will 2025 be
like in terms of prices I'm predicting
it'll be pretty comparable to
2024 all right um number five here um
and I've got 10 of these by the way in
case you're wondering number five out of
10 will membership in the greater
Greenville Association of Realtors go up
or down all right um now this is
probably more interesting to Realtors
than non- Realtors listening to the show
um but if you're a non realtor it should
be interesting to you as well some of
you guys might want to become Realtors
um and um you know we hear a lot there's
too many realtors in Greenville and in a
lot of ways that can be true right um
there's there's too many bad realtors in
Greenville okay if they were all good we
wouldn't say there's too many of them um
but the problem is there there's too
many and this isn't a Greenville
phenomenon it's just a nationwide
phenomenon it doesn't matter how much we
try to improve our training or anything
like that there's always going to be
people that are bad at what they do it's
just the reality of the situation I'm
not trying to be pus here um but
um but long story short this is a big
question of now that we've had all of
these different changes that have
happened the past year with realtor
compensation and all these different
forms and now there's so many more Hoops
that we have to go through membership
going to go up or down and it's been a
long time since it's gone down uh but I
do in fact think that it will go down in
2025 I think we'll see see a increase in
membership at the moment um uh according
to the multiple listing service um I
pulled some uh some numbers that would
indicate that our current membership is
5,90 all right so I'm going to predict
that that number is going to be below
5,000 uh by the end of
2025 um so uh we we'll see well you know
I'm I'm not going to say I'm just going
to say it's going to be below 5,90
because if I say that 5,000 number
that's going to confuse me later uh when
I come back and review these so let's
just say it's just going to be below
5,90 it's going to be below what what it
uh what it is today um moving right
along here number six
inventory or Supply will inventory go up
or down um here is what I think and I'm
going to I'm going to go ahead and and
pull up again for those looking on
YouTube I'm going to pull up the
inventory the the most recent inventory
numbers for you guys to to be able to
look at here um
inventory in in Greenville has been
quite High uh this year um it's at uh
it's at a pretty high number at the
moment it's comparable to uh 2015 um
interestingly that's not reflected in
the entire state of South Carolina the
that's not everywhere um here if you
look at numbers for the entire state of
South Carolina actually the state as a
whole is it has less inventory than it
did in 2019 so Greenville has a lot more
inventory than uh than most of South
Carolina which is which is a a good
thing in my opinion we needed more
inventory um it's bad the way it
happened though it happened more because
of not because of a lot more building uh
to basically uh give all the demand
options uh the reason why we're having
the spike in inventory it's more of a
demand story than a supply story we
haven't had increased Supply um in terms
of in in terms of increased units being
built as as much as we should have so
much as we've just had decreased Demand
right so
Greenville uh the reason why Greenville
has been impacted more so than other
parts of the state is that Greenville a
major appeal of Greenville is cost of
living so when you've got the cost of
living being so much higher and we look
at the housing affordability index it's
not been great for quite some time now
and a lot of that is mortgage rates that
really mortgage rates really hurts
Greenville more so than other markets
because Greenville is a market driven by
affordability on uh on many levels so uh
what am I predicting for for supply for
inventory will go up and down I think
we're going to continue to see month-
on- Monon increases in
Supply uh in inventory until February or
March probably it that the increases
will continue until March but somewhere
in that time frame somewhere the
increases will continue through the
first quarter and then at some point
either in or after the first quarter the
month- on-month increases in Supply will
stop but the year on-year increases will
continue until June or July okay what
what do I mean by all this so here's
what we've had so far month-to-month
increases uh we have
had well the entire year of
2024 every single month had more
inventory than the month prior okay and
the way this works is basically it's
just they look at what is what are the
number of active homes for sale at the
end of the month that's it every single
month at the end of it has had more
active inventory than the month prior
for the entire month of 2024 now we
don't yet have um the final numbers for
uh for
December but I'm going to look at this
real quick just in the multiple listing
service to just see what it says um and
for you know for whatever reason it's
never the same I never get the same
numbers as the greater Greenville
Association of Realtors does um and I'm
not entirely sure why let me try another
thing okay so if I just look at
multiclass which is basically anything
at everything um I come up with uh 5411
units which would be substantially up
that's not right I don't know we're
we're going to have to wait until we get
the greater geval Association numbers I
don't know if December is going to be up
or down
um from uh from November but long story
short I think we're going to see
month-to-month increases January is
going to be higher than December
February is going to be higher than
January and then Pro possibly March will
be higher than than February and then
we're going to start see decreases and
the reason why I think we're going to
start seeing decreases month- on Monon
uh is that there's going to be more
demand coming into the market a lot of
pent up demand I think will come into
the market in the the spring I'm seeing
some indicators of that
anecdotally um and it just makes sense
to me as well on a on a high level but
as far as year on-ear increases I think
we're going to continue to see year-
on-year increases until probably the
summer and that's what I'm saying June
or July so when we're comparing 25 to 24
typically we're looking at okay what is
you know March of 25 how does that
compare to March of 24 how does April of
25 compared to April of 24 and I think
those comparisons we're going to see
inventory be higher and higher and
higher year on year until we get to June
or July and then I think we're going to
start seeing um in or after those months
we're going to start seeing that the
year-on-year numbers are lower uh for 25
versus
24 and I'm I'm manifesting that because
I think that probably mortgage rates
will be lower year on year during that
period of
time um okay number seven pending sales
okay so we just talked about demand
sorry we just talked about Supply now
we're going to talk about demand which
is pending
sales and I'm going to pull this up if I
can ever find it uh for those of you on
YouTube um pending sales will they
continue to increase now if you're
looking on YouTube don't look at
November it looks like a big decrease uh
that that's the wrong number it's always
um it's always wrong for the most most
recent month and then they revise it and
it goes way up but you can see besides
that month every month has been an
increase year on-ear so the question is
whether that will continue are we going
to continue to see pending sales
increases uh year on-year for each month
in 2025 and I am going to predict that
yes we will see pending sales increase
year on year for every month we won't
have a single month in 2025 with a
decrease in Penning sales that's my
prediction and the reason for that
prediction is I think that more
inventory should mean more pendings
right there's more options for people so
they're going to be more likely to buy
prices being stable people aren't going
to be you know as priced out hopefully
people's wages go up while uh mortgage
rates come down a little while home
prices either stay where they are or go
down a little as well so that should
give people more purchasing power and
hopefully more demand will trickle into
the market as a result of all of these
things combined with just people being
forced to move right all these people
that have been waiting now since 2022
and and waiting for rates to go down
waiting for things to get more
affordable um that hasn't really
happened but maybe their wages have um
have improved to the point where now
it's like okay now we can finally do it
now we can finally make that move so I
think we're going to see a strong year
of pending sales is what I'm predicting
for
2025 uh number eight I'm let's think
about for a second uh cash transactions
versus financing I'm going to be talking
about this a little bit next week's
episode as well to to discuss what
exactly is happening on this front um
but I think we're going to see cash
transactions be between 21 to 23% of
closings for the year 2025 if that
sounds really high that over a fifth of
homes sold in Greenville would be bought
with cash just know that uh it's looking
like once all the data comes in from uh
2024 that it's actually going to be
higher than 23% so I'm actually
predicting that cash transactions will
go down a little bit um again as a
result of mortgage rates perhaps being a
little bit more affordable um and uh and
so I but I still think that we'll see
strong cash transaction 21 to 23% that's
still really strong right almost a
quarter of of transactions being bought
with
cash um during the height of all the
chaos with covid um it was right around
a quarter um and that wasn't because
mortgage rates were what they were that
was just because everyone was trying to
enter the market everyone was going
crazy um there was just a lot of a lot
of cash buyers that were out bidding
everyone else um now the cash that's in
the market is mostly just because people
can't afford mortgages and so they're
either they're left with either cash
buyers that are out there or cash buyers
that perhaps like parents um helping
their kids by buying cash on behalf of
their kids then maybe setting up you
know some kind of program for the kids
to pay them back or maybe not maybe the
parents are just helping the kids out um
which I am always in favor of because I
think that um that the current
Generation Um is going to be unable to
to purchase a home until their mid to
late 30s and I think that they do need
help from the parents um in one form or
another in order to to get that that
Foundation um that they need in order to
uh to be able to build on right just
like you know my generation our parents
had to help us with uh with college
tuition right that was that was how they
helped us in many ways well I think my
generation we're probably going to be
helping our kids uh purchase homes and
that's going to be a big part of it um I
and I will not be uh I'm I should be
careful what I say here I'm not
encouraging college debt on my kids at
all I think it's a terrible idea um but
I think uh debt in real estate something
that you um actually tangibly benefit
from actually use and need from day one
a little bit different
um I'm I'm much more willing to help my
kids out with something like that than
you know going out and getting a
psychology degree that will never pay
itself off um that's a whole rabbit I'll
probably just offended a bunch of people
sorry happy New Year uh all right number
nine here
um will Greenville County continue to
make owner restrictions on
development I I worded that with a
little a little bit of teeth and I am
going to predict yes Greenville County
is going to continue to restrict
development put more more onerous
standards more onerous restrictions on
developers and just on standard people
just you know and people think of
developers they think of these big
companies like you know like Meritage
and uh DR Horton and and uh companies
like that the county doesn't care
whether you're a a massive National
developer or a small-time local
developer they don't want you building
right now and guess what we've had a lot
of turnover in the County Council uh the
past year talked about that a little bit
on the show and none of it is good for
development there's not one person on
there that's Pro housing in the entire
group in fact um on County Council one
of the least Pro housing people is
someone who is a licensed realtor um and
that's not uncommon um and and you know
what I can understand Realtors being
against development right actually in
many ways can hurt us as Realtors um
when there's when there's more
development that's happening it's it's a
lot easier in our local real estate
market if we just don't build anymore
right we're just living with what we
already
have um but um regardless if you guys
have listened to the show very much you
know that I'm Pro development because I
think it's the best thing for Greenville
I don't care inherently about my bottom
line I think if Greenville continues to
get better my bottom line will take care
of itself right so I'm not I'm not uh
approaching this from a scarcity mindset
approaching this from an abundance
mindset and I think that everyone else
should do that as well um but long story
short I'm not sure what new restrictions
are coming down or going to come down
from uh County
Council um beyond what they've already
proposed but I I think that there's
going to be some proposals and some
things that pass this year that are
going to add some owner restrictions to
development I'm just going to leave it
at that um and we'll come back and we'll
see if they've been able to to do that
you know by the time we get to the end
of the year here
um the thing that could prevent them
from doing that would just be cons
trying to get consensus right right now
it's going to be a very fractured County
Council so it's going to be there's
going to be alliances that need to be
made and there's going to be you know a
lot of things that um that
are hotly debated and that they're not
going to be able to get a majority on
you know we've got a 12 Person County
Council there's going to be six6 votes
there's going to be a lot of six6 votes
there G to be a lot of five sevens
um and um there's already been a lot of
84s and 48s but now with the new Council
coming in it's going to be a lot of 66s
and a lot of 5 sevens so you need to be
prepared for that um and we'll see how
this impacts everything
else number 10 last but not least will
sellers stop paying Buyer Agents in 2025
okay this is if you're a realtor you're
you're really plugged in for this one
right um if you're not a realtor maybe
you don't know but there there were this
is where there were changes from the the
National Association of Realtors that
lost a lawsuit the sister berett lawsuit
um now there's been changes in terms of
how Buyer Agents can be compensated that
compensation can no longer be advertised
in any way associated with the multiple
listing service um but Buyer Agents can
still be
compensated um and so far they are still
being compensated now I'm not allowed to
discuss amounts commissions percentages
anything like that
very strict rule don't discuss those
things I did at one point I don't
anymore because I've learned that that's
a no no um and so um but I can tell you
without getting into those sorts of spe
specifics Buyer Agents are still getting
paid they're still getting paid because
sellers realize that Buyer Agents have
value and they realize that most buyers
have Buyer Agents and want Buyer Agents
um and so the the end result of that has
been that sellers wanting to sell their
homes particularly right now with a
slower Market they realize they've got
to Pony up some money for Buyer Agents
um now what's
different is that it used to be that the
seller paid the listing agent the entire
commission amount for both agents and
then it was the listing agent that split
that commission maybe 5050 maybe 4060
different different agents and and
brokerages had different models um but
they would they would split part of that
commission usually about half uh with
the buyer agent that brought the buyer
right and that was a pretty fair
Arrangement well the Department of
Justice doesn't like that they don't
think that list that uh sellers should
have to be on the hook automatically for
subsidizing a buyer agent for whatever
amount so what's changing now what has
changed is that now we have to
communicate you know if I have a buyer
client that's interested in home I have
to communicate because it can't be
publicly listed anymore I have to
communicate with the listing agent on um
on what percentage uh commission is
being uh or what amount of commission is
being offered to a buyer agent and the
second question that a lot of agents are
forgetting to ask right now is is that
coming directly from the seller or is
that coming from the listing brokerage
okay that's important for variety of
reasons uh which I'm not going to get
into the Weeds on here but I'm just
going to say this that most likely by
the end of 2025 I think pretty much all
the major brokerages in South Carolina
are going to make this strictly between
seller and buyer as negotiated by the
buyer agent and the listing agent okay
what do I mean by
that it's going to be when the seller
agrees to list their house with the
listing agent the commission offered is
going to be for the listing agent only
no no commission offered to a buyer
agent and then when a buyer comes along
with a buyer agent and the buyer agent
says hey are you offering a commission
that's going to be then something that
the seller has to agree directly with
the buyer of course the agents will be
the ones that that will be negotiating
that presenting that and all of
that um but long story short it will be
a separate agreement we've already been
doing this C Dan Joiner my company uh my
team the Morgan group we've been doing
this already uh for months now because
this policy was rolled out a long time
ago but a lot of brokerages aren't um
and uh and I think that by the end of
the year we're going to see this that
brokerages are going to make it they
don't pass through the buyer the the
buyer agent commission never flows
through the listing brokerage at all it
just ends up being something that the
seller pays the buyer agent directly at
closing and I think that by the end of
2025 that all major brokerages in South
Carolina are going to be using that
system versus the old system where it
flowed through the listing
brokerages
um but to my broader prediction there's
no way for me to to track that and to
tell you for sure whether that's the
case so that's not that that's a
prediction but that's not a prediction
that I'm going to attempt to verify
whether it's accurate or not the
prediction that I am going to uh hang my
hat on is that I believe Buyer Agents
are still going to get paid and I don't
believe that they're going to see any
meaningful reduction in how much they
get paid okay um that the Department of
Justice might call that price fixing um
that's because they don't understand the
economy um and that's just not how not
how anything Works look at any job in
the world there is set pay right if
you're a doctor you kind of know or if
you're trying to become a a a doctor
some sort of doctor a primary care
physician will just say if you're trying
to become a primary care physician or a
nurse practitioner you can basically
figure out what that would equate to in
terms of a salary right but apparently
Realtors aren't allowed to do that
that's price fixing that's ridiculous um
I have a big problem with that with the
Department of Justice but whatever
neither here nor there um the more
important things that sellers are
smarter than the Department of Justice
and they understand that Buyer Agents
need to be paid or else they'll just go
away and if Buyer Agents go away that's
a big problem I already talked about
that I'm not going to beat that dead
horse any more than it's already been
beaten um but my prediction is that
Buyer Agents will continue to get paid
and that it's going to be a big nothing
Burger those that are freaking out um
about you know that they're going to
that they're going to all lose their
jobs I don't think it's going to happen
um and so there you go rates I rund down
real quick rates are going to remain
above 6% for the entire year per
mortgage news dailies uh and there will
be no recession and inflation will
return to at or below 2% by the fourth
quarter um there won't be any major
impacts on the industry outside of
contracts paperworks I think we'll see
some changes there um in terms of
appreciation or depreciation I think
we'll see the median price uh for real
estate in Greenville go between minus 1%
uh which would be a 1% decrease or a 2%
increase uh for the year once it's all
said and done I think membership in gjr
is going to go down I think the
inventory is going to see month-to-month
increases for the first quarter and then
probably by the uh by the end of the
second quarter perhaps early third
quarter we will see the year onye
increases uh finally
stop pending sales I think will continue
to increase for every month in in the
year of 2025 I think we'll see 21 to 23%
of closings be cash versus financing I
think Greenville County is going to
sneak in some kind of new owner
restrictions on development and I think
that sellers will continue to pay Buyer
Agents because they see the value of
Buyer Agents those are my predictions
for 2025 I'm ready for the new year I
hope you guys are too I'm at a party
tonight it's going to be great um and uh
I'm looking forward to providing you
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