S2E1 - "Manhunt" ===

Sarah: [00:00:00] Hi, Paul.

Paul: Sarah. Hi. Welcome to Season 2. Welcome to Season

Sarah: 2. I'm pulling up, uh, my notes for Season 2. I'm having, um, feelings. Um, I'm having memories, man. I have so many questions for you about this transition. from Chicago to Dallas, particularly because Dallas was not your home and Chicago is where you're from.

Um,

Paul: Yes. All right. But let's, uh,

Sarah: fill people in on what's going on here. Okay.

Paul: Welcome everybody, fishes, folks, and friends. This is season two of prison breaking with Sarah and Paul.

Sarah: It's our video [00:01:00] edition.

Paul: Oh, this is a video edition. As you can see, We have

Sarah: cameras

Paul: and microphones this year. Uh, we're getting really into the podcast.

Sarah: It's very exciting. I even built this little studio in my basement last weekend.

Paul: Um, it looks great.

Sarah: I realized I was looking back through the videos that we posted last season that were not supposed to be videos and, but I, I realized I look like I'm in witness protection. So, um,

Paul: I mean, you still look like you're in witness protection, just in a nicer witness.

program That's true. One

Sarah: with a fake plant.

Paul: Is that fake? I was going to ask cause it's very well, it will look exactly like

Sarah: this. For the entire run of our podcast. Um, but I did find my chairbacks.

Paul: That's amazing. Is that different seasons or you just had two of them? It must be.

Sarah: I mean, it was just in that crate where I had all my season one scripts.

I'm still looking for my season two scripts, but there were like four chairbacks.

Paul: Um, do you have all your chair backs from everything ever? Cause I

Sarah: mostly, yeah. Although some shows now are like, Oh, it's [00:02:00] like a little thing that's slides in. It's not, um, it's not great. Um,

Paul: um, okay. So to catch everybody up, this is how the show works.

works. Um, we do a rewatch. We rewatch the show together, which you can do with us. Um, if you subscribe to our Patreon and then, uh, we will talk about the episodes today. We're talking about season two, episode one,

and some episodes, it'll just be Sarah and I talking

and asking each other questions because we haven't seen it.

I mean, I haven't seen it in 20 years. Um, and then, um, Uh, we're going to talk about it and ask each other questions and we took notes and then notes, more

Sarah: notes. There will be some episodes that we have guests. Um, yes, but one way or

Paul: Good guests this season,

Sarah: we do have some good guests this season. Uh, I'm very excited about it.

Um, but one way or another, we will do something called the Calestine index every episode. [00:03:00] Um, and that's,

Paul: uh, yes.

Sarah: Yeah. You want to tell them about the Calestine Index?

Paul: Tell us. No, you tell us. You tell us about it, Sarah. I

Sarah: will tell you. So the Calestine Index is where we, it's like our stats for the show, right?

It's us talking about when it aired and who directed it and who wrote it and what the ratings were and what was going on in world history and what was going on in pop culture to locate us in a moment where everybody's using flip phones. Uh, a PDA comes up at one point in episode 201, which we just watched together.

Oh, wow. Which is kind of wild. Um. That's what we do.

Paul: Okay. Um, so, let's get into it. Should we just jump right into, I mean we have a lot to talk about. Yeah,

Sarah: like Dallas.

Paul: Like, like we moved the show from Chicago to Dallas. With no

Sarah: warning.

Paul: With no warning.

Sarah: With no warning. Um, okay, I'm trying to pull up my uh, my index here.

All right. [00:04:00] Okay. You wanna, uh,

Paul: yeah, we're gonna do the Palestine index. Let's do, let's do our

Sarah: first Palestine index, by the way, Palestine, because I'm Cali's and he's Aine. And this is the maximum amount of creativity that we can put into naming things at this point. Yes,

Paul: correct.

Sarah: Uh,

Paul: all right. Here we go.

Take

Sarah: it away.

Paul: The Season two Premier of Prison Break was titled Manhunt, and it aired. On August 21st, 2006 at 8 PM on Fox. It was written by series creator, Paul Shearing. It was directed by Kevin Hooks, who had become our producing director somewhere during season one. The premiere do 9. 37 million viewers against the competition in that time slot, the time slot of the competition was a rerun of Wife Swap on ABC, a rerun of Two and a Half Men on CBS and a rerun of Treasure Hunters on NBC.

Sarah: So to recap the episode. Um, FBI agent Alexander Mahone, played by the marvelous Billy Fickner, who joined the cast this season, is tasked with capturing the Fox River Eight while the COs, including Bellick, [00:05:00] continue to chase them. The team, which is now down to Schofield, Burroughs, Sucre, Abruzzi, and Franklin, they steal a truck.

Schofield says that they need to go to a warehouse in Oswego. Meanwhile, Mahone searches Schofield's apartment, realizes that Michael has been planning the escape for months, finds out the secret behind the tattoo. Dun dun dun. Uh, teabag forces a doctor, who turns out to be a veterinarian, to reattach his cut off head, which is As impossible to watch as it sounds, um, Veronica realizes that she's trapped inside the mansion where she's found Terrence Stedman.

So she calls the cops, but instead suited men arrive and, uh, spoiler alert, plug your ears. Kill her. Yeah. Kill her. Meanwhile in the hospital. R. I.

Paul: P. Veronica Donovan.

Sarah: Yeah. R. I. P. E. Chance Woods and Veronica Donovan. Meanwhile, in a hospital, Dr. Tancredi regains consciousness from her overdose and sees a message from Schofield about a plan.

Paul: Okay. So a lot happens, [00:06:00] obviously. Uh, speaking of which. This week in U. S. history, on August 17th, Judge Anna Diggs Taylor, U. S. Federal Judge of the Eastern District of Michigan, ruled that illegal wiretapping is unconstitutional. And they

Sarah: left it at that, and everybody is nothing. And

Paul: everything's been fine.

This ruling was in regards to the National Security Agency's wiretapping of Americans communications without a warrant, which is all part of the War on Terror. The Justice Department appealed, the program was allowed to continue. A few days later on August 24th, the FDA approved the sale of the morning after pill without a prescription for women 18 and older.

The availability, the availability of this over the counter drug was a significant decision in the ongoing debate about reproductive rights and everything has been fine.

Sarah: And we've never had to talk about it again. Um, moving on to pop culture on August 17th, Mel Gibson pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor drunken driving charge.

God, it was that long ago. That long ago and was [00:07:00] sentenced to three years probation. This was the drunk driving incident from July 28th, where he was pulled over and spouted his infamous anti Semitic tirade to the arresting officer. Um. And

Paul: called her. Do you remember what he called her? No. Sugar tits.

Sarah: Was this the same tirade that was also the racist tirade, or was that a separate one?

Paul: No, that was a, that was a, that was on the phone. That was a different one. The anti Semitic was an arrest. That was in person.

Sarah: And the racism was on the phone. Fair enough. He's covering so many bases. I believe

Paul: his ex, yeah. So many bases. He's just, yeah. Hitting all the groups. Hitting all the

Sarah: groups. Cool.

Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Um, uh, on August 18th, snakes on a plane. Starring Samuel L. Jackson was released. The film gained significant attention due to its campy premise and internet buzz, becoming a B movie classic. Anyway, moving on, uh, otherwise in pop culture, this is sports stuff. So you might have to explain some of what it means to me, but I think I got it.

August [00:08:00] 25th, Jerry Rice signed The greatest

Paul: wide receiver in NFL history.

Sarah: Super helpful. Thank you. Um, I was imagining this was a football thing, uh, signed a one day contract for, wait for it. 985, 806. 49 to retire with the San Francisco 49ers, officially ending the legendary receiver's career back where it began.

The sum was ceremonial, representing Rice's first year in the league, 1985, uniform number 80, uh, and current year 06 and the 49ers 49. It is now the number that I will use to negotiate my salary from now on. My first year in the business, plus my SAG number, plus my age, which means I will be retiring after my next job.

Yeah, that's

Paul: excellent.

Sarah: We are going to go to a quick commercial after our rewatch and our index. And again, we will be back. [00:09:00] Okay, we're back.

Paul: All right.

Sarah: Um. We're

Paul: back. Okay, let's talk about this. Let's talk about this episode, man.

Sarah: Okay. First of all. Yes, go.

Paul: Let's talk. I'm watching the time, because we could do two hours.

We could do two hours. Right now, just about getting from Chicago to Dallas. But, so give me your quick version. But let's talk about season two in general. Okay. Let's talk about season two in general. Uh. Bill Fickner. Bill Fickner. Bill

Sarah: Fickner. Bill Fickner.

Paul: It's a big deal when you, I mean, I think we knew that the show was a hit, so we knew that there was going to be a season two. I don't, they probably announced it somewhere along the lines of season one. I didn't, I certainly didn't know if I'd be back because you know, people get killed all the time.

Same to you, I was dead. Um, Uh, although we will get to this later in season two, um, my, uh, representatives were, were very [00:10:00] communicative with the prison break powers that be very early on, even in season one, like around pilot season saying, you know, Please don't hamper our ability to get something else. I wasn't working five, you know, I wasn't working seven days an episode.

So it was like, if I had an opportunity to go shoot a pilot somewhere else, you know, so there was a good relationship there and they were like, no, he'll be back for season two. So I, I, I knew that at some point, I don't remember what,

Music: I

Paul: didn't have a 22 episode deal though. I had like another fifth, whatever it's called.

Yeah. 15, 20 seconds or something. Yeah. And what did you, and, and I know that. And I don't remember finally finding out it was Dallas at the last minute as much as you do, but I know tell us your story there. Well, Unless you feel like you told it season one. No, I don't think so. I mean, I,

Sarah: I remember I bought an apartment.

In Chicago, in Wicker Park, near, that I actually just sold, um, near where you lived with your [00:11:00] brother. And I remember leaving at the end of the season, and I do remember being told like, we'll see you next season. I don't remember when that happened. But we had like a ten week hiatus. It was super short. And I went back to New York, where we were living at the time.

And I remember walking down the street in Brooklyn, and my phone rang, and it was Gary Brown. And he was like, we're moving the show to Dallas. And I was like, We go to camera in like three weeks. I mean, I, it was less than a month before we started shooting is my memory of it. I don't, you know, I don't have like exact dates.

And I was like, you're crazy. Like, We all have apartments, like we didn't move our stuff out of Chicago. I know Wentworth didn't either.

Paul: No, you're going to be back in two months.

Sarah: And he was like, we're moving the show to Dallas.

Paul: And like, people probably had signed leases and extended things. The whole

Sarah: crew thought they had a job.

And so that was the real heartbreaker is like, there wasn't much [00:12:00] shooting in Chicago at the time.

Paul: Oh, look, my, my camera's doing that thing now. Okay. Look, do you see that? Oh, it's tracking you.

Sarah: Yeah. Dude. How did that happen? I don't know. It's been really weird and jumpy this whole time. I'm just listening.

I'm using my ears. Okay.

Paul: It's recording. Okay. Um, all right. Let's talk about William Fichtner. Let's

Sarah: talk about William Fichtner. I love Billy so much.

Paul: And he was a huge addition.

Sarah: And a huge get. Like, he was.

Paul: That's what I mean. That's what I mean. It was a big deal to get.

Sarah: Mm hmm. Um, by the end of season two, I had an enormous crush on him, which was funny.

Season two? Maybe season four? Yeah, I thought it was really funny. I thought it was so funny that I told him, and I thought he would think it was funny too. He did not. He

Paul: didn't? He was uncomfortable? Yeah,

Sarah: he was like, oh, okay. I, well, I also didn't realize then until years later when I did the company you keep and he played my father, that he's 20 years older than I am.

That he was

Paul: older than you.

Sarah: Like, I, [00:13:00] In my head, it was sort of Piers ish and then, you know, anyway, it was, but he's a phenomenal actor. Um,

Paul: yeah. And a great, and a great guy.

Sarah: And a

Paul: great guy.

Sarah: A really, really, really great guy.

Paul: And a great piece of casting. And a really interesting character that what they decided to do was they said, we need someone chasing this guy.

We need a foil. And it's not Bellic, that's different. And it's not Kellerman, cause that's different. And they're going to be doing something. Different with Calumet, but they need someone who like, ooh, Izzy met his match kind of

Sarah: thing.

Paul: We need another crazy genius. We need another crazy genius. We need

Sarah: someone who can out Schofield Schofield.

Right. Do you remember their ship name that the audience gave them? Oh, he's killed me.

Paul: Wentworth and Mahone? Mahone?

Sarah: They called him Scone. [00:14:00]

Paul: Amazing. Which is just

Sarah: marvelous.

Paul: Um, Um, I am going to call him Mahomes because of Patrick Mahomes over and over again. Oh God. So we gotta just get Okay, I'll correct you every

Sarah: time because I don't care about football.

Paul: Um, okay. I have a question for you. Sarah's OD Yeah. We don't see that in season one, right?

Sarah: You do. The very last thing you see of her in season one in that montage is like, goop running out of her mouth. Totally ashen. Oh, I'm sorry. Of

Paul: course.

Sarah: On the thing.

Paul: And I'm sure we talked about this, but I have no memory of anything ever.

It's menopause. So, menopause. Yes. Did Intentional? Unintentional? You decided unintentional?

Sarah: We decided unintentional. I think, I think the goal was make the pain go away.

Paul: At any cost. Yeah, but not for, not, not, not existence go away.

Sarah: I don't think, I [00:15:00] don't think she, I don't, I think that's two steps. I think she thought one step.

I think it was just make the pain go away. Relapse. Just.

Paul: Heavy relapse.

Sarah: Just stop. I can't take responsibility for this decision. Um. I do think it's, you know, we, in between the seasons, we talked a little bit about the Um, the AA of it all and, you know, I dug back into the big book and she's reading it in this season or in this episode.

Um, but yeah, it never really comes up again. Like, they never have a conversation about like, as somebody who tried to kill herself. You know what I mean? Like, they don't treat her like somebody who's a suicide risk. They treat her like somebody who's a Right. Treat her as a relapse. As a relapse. That's right.

Um. Yeah, and interestingly, we started the season with two scenes with two women in them, which I thought was really cool. Catherine Willis, um, Catherine Willis, I mentioned her when we were watching before. [00:16:00] She's a fantastic actor. She was, she's a, uh, a Dallas or Texas local. She was in, uh, Friday Night Lights.

I think she played Jason Street's mom. Um, and then we worked together again in the Long Road Home. She's just one of those like local hires, like actually, like we had all over Chicago. It was just like, oh, she's a What did somebody use this for? She's a Swiss army knife. She could do anything.

Paul: Oh, amazing.

Yeah,

Sarah: she's great.

Paul: It's really great. That's a good thing to be described. Um, speaking of really great Jeff Perry, who plays Terrence Deadman, I'm sure we talked about him in season one, but I mean, he's been a hero of mine since I grew up in Chicago. He's one of the founders, him and Gary Sinise. And Terry Kinney founded Steppenwolf Theater, which kind of re reinvented, you know, American acting in the seventies and eighties.

I grew up seeing him do True West and Bomb and Gilead. It was like those, those, that theater is one of the reasons I wanted to be an actor. It was like a thrill to even get to work [00:17:00] there. And when Jeff would come when we were doing shows there and Jeff would come to a rehearsal or two, uh, A preview or something, you know, he's a big deal and he's also one of the sweetest Guys ever we've become really close friends subsequently, but like prison break was the first chance I got no spoiler alert But chance to work with him even though we'd been in other things together um, and he's just He's just such a bad ass actor.

I still feel like he's not ever gotten to do on film. What, what, uh, the kind of roles that like Malkovich and Laurie Metcalf and Joan Allen and so many of the, and Tracy Letts and Carrie Coon. So many of the other Steppenwolf people have gotten to do. He's just a beast of an actor and a great director.

Um, also, uh, his daughter is Zoe Perry, who is the mom and. Young Sheldon. Oh, whoa. [00:18:00] Um, Which is a piece of meta casting. I mean, she's a great actor, but he and Laurie Metcalf. It's Laurie. So Jeff and Laurie Metcalf were married and they had Zoe and Laurie Metcalf played Jim Parsons mother on Big Bad Theory.

Oh, that's

Sarah: wild.

Paul: Yeah. And she looks exactly like her. That's

Sarah: amazing. Laurie Metcalf's an astonishing

Paul: actress. She's incredible. And so is Zoe. And so they, and they, so the cast Zoe is almost like the young Lori. I mean, she had been working a lot anyway, but, um, yeah. That's amazing. Chicago trivia.

Sarah: He's, I mean, we, again, we talked about this when we were watching it.

He, what he does with his eyes, he has this kind of liquid gaze that like,

Paul: Yeah.

Sarah: It conveys so much shame and defeat with such economy. It's really like, he's one of those actors who doesn't have to say a word. Yeah. Do you know what I mean?

Paul: I mean, I, [00:19:00] I, yeah, I found myself in this, in a way that was different with Billingsley, who played Terrence Tedman before.

I have sympathy for Terrence Tedman here. Yeah. I don't know if it's just because I love Jeff, Jeff. No, because I don't know it. I look at that guy and I'm like, yeah. There's a vulnerability to him. Right, so do you feel that way too? Yes, there's a vulnerability to him. Yeah, it's, it's, there's a sadness there.

Oh, absolutely. By the way, I think he was Emmy nominated a few times for Scandal. He played the Chief of Staff on Scandal. Good for him. Yeah. And he was, he was fucking incredible. Um,

Sarah: um, okay. So we wrote, I was going to talk about, sorry. Yeah. What did, what did you want to talk about that you

Paul: wrote? One of the things I wanted to talk about and we'll get to this in certainly in some of our work that's coming up, but um, I was just thinking about, Um, teabag and haywire have obviously gotten split off, but the five, the six of those guys in a car is that for all the claustrophobia shooting wise of season one, [00:20:00] what happens is you're shooting in a prison or you're shooting in a stage for prison is you end up, um, everyone has their little spaces, right?

It's like, Oh, I go into that corner when we're not between setups and I go into this corner, this corner. This season. There was so very little stage work because it was, it's one of the reasons we went to Dallas. They're supposed to be on the run. You have to have all this different topography. So like you're shooting out there on, in a car, on the road, you're driving two miles every day.

Take, and then you're driving back and you're in that car. And the

Sarah: air conditioning has to be off. There's nowhere to go. It's a, it's

Paul: 106 degrees. And so when they're like, Oh, you guys can get out of the car. You like get out of the car and you can go sit in a van, but you have no home base. It makes people after a while, cranky and uncomfortable.

And if a director or if a production gets behind the eight ball a little [00:21:00] bit, like if it doesn't feel efficient,

Sarah: it

Paul: can get very frustrating. Also, you're fighting the light. You're in natural light all day. Uhhuh, like nothing is controlled. No. So

Sarah: like if the nice lighting is. In you know, if you're trying to backlight something and the sun is rising in the east if you don't get it before 11 Now it's top light and it's not going to match and it's yeah

Paul: And so there's a lot of hurry hurry hurry hurry hurry and a lot of

Sarah: really early warnings I mean, I remember waking up to be in hair and makeup by 4 30 or 5 a.

m So that we could was that for the light

Paul: or was that to be? Beat the heat or oh, yeah,

Sarah: catch the sunrise to maximize the number of exterior daylight hours that you could shoot. Right. And again, not really until I met up with Wentworth and we were sort of like, you know, on the run together. But, um, but that stuff was, you know, those are just the realities where I was like shooting in that prison, you know, You could just shoot in the prison, as long as you wanted to shoot in the prison.[00:22:00]

Um.

Paul: Yeah, and it was tough, and we talked about that, and they had to build the stages and stuff. But it was, again, it's an, it's a controlled environment. Well, it was a different show. In a way, like, shooting on, it's a completely different show. It's a different show. It's really, they really, Reinvented it, right?

Every

Sarah: season. And sometimes it worked better than others, but I actually think it's, it's really brave creatively to go in and be like, okay, so we did this thing that succeeded now let's take it apart and start over same people, but.

Paul: Uh, same people, same dynamics. Right. But also physically, visually different show.

And then also you've created a show where every. Two episodes. I mean, every act, every act, every episode, but really every two or three episodes, another element is introduced that like just puts the stakes through the roof. And it's like, how do [00:23:00] you, I mean, I think that's part, part of why you introduced Mahone.

It's part of why you split tea bag off because there's another, like you're creating all these, um, obstacles again, to their freedom. Yeah. Kellerman's gonna end up coming. Yep. Mahone is there, you know, so it's not just The Great Escape, it's like you have, they were so good at, like they did it in the prison and then they figured out a way in season two to do it.

We have all these different forces bearing down on Michael's plan.

Sarah: And you have enough different storylines. That no one actor has to work eight days a week and that, that's also something I think a season two show gets good at is looking at,

Music: you

Sarah: know, okay, so we've got a teabag storyline over here and we've got a tweener storyline here and even like, you know, Mahone and Schofield tend to anchor the season so that there's a little bit of a [00:24:00] break because shooting outdoors in over a hundred degree heat.

is just, it's brutal. I mean, I remember the first season of walking dead. Like we did six episodes. That was the whole first season. I was dead on my feet by the end of that season. Cause the entire thing is daylight exterior. And you're just like,

Paul: you mean like a zombie?

Sorry.

Sarah: You

Paul: should be.

Sarah: Um, I'm not mad at you. That's just the, that's the, that's the look. I remember when I

Paul: was trailing. Yeah. Oh God. Yeah. I get those from a 14 year old. Um, speaking of which. Uh, one of the joys of season one for me was that I had a four year old niece. Uh, and so when I went to live with my brother and his wife and my sister in law in Chicago, I got to spend time with this niece and

Music: this

Paul: woman I was dating.

They become my wife. It's like we got to know my niece. She's staying with me this week.

Sarah: Oh, wild. Wait, [00:25:00] but she's like a grown up.

Paul: She's 20. She's 20. She's 23. She's a college graduate. She's been out of college for a year. Well,

Sarah: I mean, this is what's so crazy. We were just talking about this before we started doing all this.

We were, you know, looking to see if we could get Wade on the podcast. And, in my head,

Paul: That's Wade Williams who played Bellic,

Sarah: who's one of the reasons the show was such a success and a phenomenal actor. And again, because we were all, we all felt like peers. I assumed that Wade and I were, you know, I didn't, I didn't think we were the exact same age.

Like I was in my twenties when I started the show and he'd had a big career already on like Broadway and in movies and stuff. But we found out that like, you know, he was born in the forties and I was like, Oh,

Paul: I'm still, wait, I'm still getting my head around this. We were in collateral together before prison break and I was in my early thirties and I, and I thought he was in his.

His early 40s, but I guess he was in his

Sarah: 50s. I think that the takeaway [00:26:00] is Wade Williams aged better than anyone we know.

Paul: He's probably also one of those guys who looked 40 when he was 20. Maybe.

Sarah: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One of those little kids you meet them at four and you're like, Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

Paul: Yeah. You're going to look the same. But then for 40 years, for 40 years, he looked 40.

Sarah: Totally. Totally. And then he looked 50 for the next 40.

I mean, it's, it's just really wild. Um, and I think about like what that, what a toll that that takes on you when you're older. I mean, if he was in his sixties when we were doing that, I got to give him even more credit for like, he never complained. He never, you know what I mean? Like that's, that's hard, physical, exhausting work in those conditions.

Um, and he did fantastic. Um, I want to there. Oh man, there's so many other things that we said we weren't going to talk about. Um, but we're running out of time, right? Cause I want to get to fan questions. I want to get to at least a couple of the [00:27:00] fan questions. So let's leave it there for now. We can pop some of these other questions and things to each other later.

We'll take a quick break and then we'll come back and we'll talk about fans.

Paul: Great. We'll be

Sarah: right back. Okay. Hi, we're back. Hi, we're back. So. Fan questions. Fan questions. People drop this on our, uh, comments on Instagram, the at prison break podcast handle. Um, okay. There's a bunch of different ones that I was looking at.

One of them I thought was kind of interesting. Um, I mean, again, some of these we'll get to, uh, later. Over the course of the season, because some of them are very broad, but this one I thought was interesting. Um, At Chana Podolsky, I apologize for being terrible at pronouncing names. The scenes where Kellerman has Sarah captive, did it affect you two after filming?

Paul: Yes, it did me. Talk to

Sarah: me.

Paul: Uh, I, I,[00:28:00]

you don't want to save this for the, when we get into the nitty gritty? We totally

Sarah: can. Although I will say that there's so much nitty gritty that we will probably.

Paul: Okay. Um, I found, and I, you know, always like I was a kid that played guns and I played cops and robbers and I loved that thing. And so I was just, and I'd played cops on shows before beating bad guys up.

The scene when I kill, uh.

Music: Laetitia,

Paul: um, she was so good. Uh, Adina is such a good actor that when she was begging for her life, it really got me. It was upsetting. I remember like being like upset. And then the scene that we had the bathtub scene, uh, I found very upsetting. We were really good friends by then.[00:29:00]

Um, and it just felt, I don't know how to say it. Like it didn't, like, it wasn't hard to do physically, but it, it made me feel gross. Like I had a physical response to it. Also, we'll talk about when someone actually got hurt, which was a low, a low point. Um, and so, yeah, that stuff, you know, a lot of times like chasing LJ with a gun down an alley felt cool, uh, having you tied up and dunking you in a, in a bathtub and electrocuting you and that kind of thing.

It didn't, didn't feel cool.

Sarah: You know, what about

Paul: you?

Sarah: Well, it's interesting in some ways, I think, because we had become friends at that point. And, you know, part of that might have been the Dallas of it all, because you had such a full life in Chicago that Dallas, I mean, first of all, we had scenes together, which we, Just simply didn't do before, but [00:30:00] and

Paul: a lot of stuff to talk about and kind of explore like acting wise.

Sarah: Absolutely. Um, but you know, because you were more on location than you had been in Chicago by then we'd become friends. Those scenes were easier for me because I knew you and I trusted you. And so there was that like, I know that this is somebody who has control of themselves as an actor. Yeah. and won't do that thing where they're like, Oh my God, it was just so in the moment.

And you're like, that's literally not, that's literally the opposite of the job. Like the, the, the job is to have control of yourself as a human to create a dangerous environment. And so I was grateful for that kind of thing. Um, and I think in a kind of interesting foxhole way. I trusted you more afterwards, you know what I mean, because I was like, we just went through some real shit.

Paul: For sure, I had the same experience. And did good work

Sarah: together, and that, that [00:31:00] was

Paul: Also, when we get to the bathroom scene, I'll talk about the trust that you put in me, given what happened before we shot this. Yeah,

Sarah: that was real. That was real.

Paul: And then I was like, well, we're not going to do this scene. I also don't

Sarah: remember, oh that's funny, that never crossed my mind.

I don't remember what number that is. We've got a ways to get there.

Paul: I don't either. I don't think we do. Really? I think it's in the first third of the season.

Sarah: I think I'm ready to watch that again, but I'll be honest, I'm not sure. Um. Yeah. Okay.

Paul: I think, I think that's what we have time for today.

Sarah: Well, let me ask one more question because this is very timely.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So, at Jordan Sharons asks, what were your expectations? Oh, yeah. of season two before reading the scripts, were there predictions of what happened to the Fox River 8 that were close to what was actually filmed? You can take either part of that you want, but like going into season two, did you have a like [00:32:00]

Paul: Me?

Personally, I had I don't think I was experienced enough in TV to even give it a guess. And then, you know, this show Flouted, certainly my expectations at every turn, I had no, I was just every season, uh, sorry, every script was like jaw drop

Music: and

Paul: then where my character went, I mean, I was, we'll get to it. I think it's probably next episode since Kellerman wasn't in episode one, the thing where I got to suddenly, I mean, I got to do Owen Kravecky, which was just really like one scene.

In the first season, but when I got to like, get out of the suit and like, go to the N. A. meeting and like, become your friend and be Lance, I mean, I was in fucking actor heaven.

Sarah: Yeah.

Paul: It's just actor heaven. You

Sarah: got to do a lot of And to do it with you, and

Paul: to do it with such a good actor. I got to do a lot of fun, fun stuff, and I got to do a lot of great action stuff that I love to do.[00:33:00]

Sarah: That was such a fun season for you, actually, as I think through it. Like the giant, the like, vicissitudes of the Kellerman of it all. Huge. Yes. Um, and

Paul: And one of my least favorite scenes I've ever done. Oh.

Sarah: Let me know when we get there. I'm super curious about it. I will. I will. Um, Yeah, one of the hardest things that I'd ever done and it wasn't, it wasn't a bathtub, wasn't the torture stuff.

One of the hardest things I'd ever been asked to do was in season two and it was one of those seasons, one of those scripts that you read it and I was like, I don't know if I could do what I need them to do, what they need me to do. I don't know if I can deliver it. It was a, it was a very, uh, it was a spooky one.

Um, I mean, in terms of what I was expecting, Oh, sorry, no, wait,

Paul: no, go on. Okay. Well, what were you expecting and did you, as the female lead of the show, did you have a sit down with the writers, producers, and they [00:34:00] said, here's what's going to happen kind of thing? Or did you

Sarah: Not that I remember because I wasn't living in LA.

I remember hearing that some of the cast who was in LA would go in and be like, Hey, what do you guys, but, um, no. And I also, like, I didn't feel like the female lead of the show because that had been Veronica. And so when Right. I don't think I knew that Robin was leaving the show until I read that first script and I was like, Whoa, that took me by surprise.

Right. Um, That I knew. I expected the, I expected the N. A. of it all. Um, The sort of metamorphosis of Sarah into somebody with a totally different level of agency and rage. Uh. I loved as I read it. Like you, I wasn't at a place in my career where I ever would have asked for it. Like the, the idea of going in, even though season one, I was like, I'd really like her to be an alcoholic, but the idea of going [00:35:00] in at that point in my career and saying, Hey, I'd like to do this and I'd like to not do this.

Um, I don't think was really on my, but I, you know, I don't know when, if we, if we talk to our writers again, I'll be curious to see. Uh, if we had those conversations and I just don't remember them, I don't know. Um, but yeah, I think we do have to leave it there, right? Because we're kind of, as we do, we're sort of running.

Paul: Um, and a lot of the questions that we have listed here are kind of season two questions in general, which we will get to, we'll work through and we'll get to all of them. Um, thank you everybody for being here for episode one of season two, we're excited to get into it. Don't forget to subscribe to the watch party episodes on Patreon.

You also get fan fiction Fridays. Um, you can do that on the show page of wherever you're listening right now. And we have a call in question for the week. Cause we have a call in line. The number is 4 [00:36:00] 0 1 3 P break. Uh, and our question is. Okay, the question. If you were on death row?

Sarah: Yeah, it's the wrap question.

It's the wrap up question we asked all of our guests last year and I was like, Oh, I want to hear what the fans have to say.

Paul: Oh, so if you were on death row, that's never going to happen. But if you were on death row, what would your last meal be? And why?

Sarah: So call us.

Paul: And we'll play our favorites in a special episode later in the season.

Sarah: Absolutely. And so this means that we should pivot our wrap up question for this season. So I'm going to ask you, Paul. Um, if you were fleeing the law. Where would you go and why, right? Michael and Lincoln are headed to Panama to open a scuba shop, a dive shop. Um, it's that like final scene of Shawshank Redemption.

Paul: Yeah.

Sarah: Where are you? What are you doing? And who are you bringing with you? I mean,

Paul: for my own, well, hopefully my kid. [00:37:00] Okay. Um, and hopefully like the Caribbean. Okay. Or the South Pacific like blue water and sand, as opposed to like mountains and rivers. I mean, obviously not a city probably, uh, but yeah, no, no, not, not my, not my jam on that front.

Like, yeah, like tropical. Um, uh, yeah. Uh, from a practical Wait, what

Sarah: are you doing? Are you ever like,

Paul: where could I go? Where everybody would, where everybody would, everyone would, I'd blend in. I'd have to go to like Russia or Poland, I suppose. , which I don't wanna do. Uh, well those tropical Russian. Am I doing my opening?

Yeah. Yeah. Am I offering? Yeah. Black Sea. Am I opening, uh, like a surf shop? God. Oh man.

Sarah: I just had a vision of you like. Doing guitar sets at like some beach bar on like a Luthra or something in the Bahamas. If

Paul: I'm wanted in this way, that sounds like a great idea. [00:38:00] What about you? Just playing

Sarah: Margaritaville over and over

Paul: and

Sarah: over and then going into like, so Donna dropped up totally.

And then the next song is, and then into like Aruba, LA Jamaica, la Vita Loca. Ooh, I want Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Paul: And then like La Vita Loca and then, yeah. Yeah. And then I like the way you movie

Sarah: No Beatles.

Paul: Okay. What about you, Sarah? I don't

Sarah: know. I don't have an answer to this yet, but that's okay. We have another 21 episodes for me to think about.

Oh!

Paul: She's putting it off. Okay. Um,

Sarah: yeah, because we'll have another one of these. So, in the meantime, um, thank you to everybody who's tuning in. Um, don't get hunted out there.

Paul: But if you do get hunted, remember to rub yourself in Brussels

Sarah: sprouts. Brussels

Paul: sprouts. Brussels

Sarah: sprouts. Absolutely.

Paul: And toilet water, apparently, from season one.

Sarah: Okay, that's enough of that. Prison Breaking with Sarah and Paul is a Calibra Studio production. [00:39:00]

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