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alexei sayle
ah Wait, fuck sake. Come on.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Okay, now we're live.
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alexei sayle
Hello everybody. Welcome to episode 67 of the electcel podcast. We are recording this on Thursday, the 16th of yeah January. Uh, there was a announcement of, um, supposed to cease ideal in Gaza.
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alexei sayle
Uh, I think yesterday, last night to be true to form since then, the Israelis have killed at least 73 people. Uh, so I don't know why I, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I have, I don't know. I have complicated feelings really about it. I think, you know, the Israelis, as they have done in Syria and Lebanon, of whatever ceasefire ideal there is, have continued to flaunt it and we'll do the same in Gaza really. At least I suppose if the
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alexei sayle
Rate of killing has been reduced. Then that is something, um I don't know now that they refuse to work with UNRWA, I don't know how aid will actually get to the Palestinians. So the kind of starvation of Gaza may continue. they Obviously the ah outrage is the war crimes they're committing in the West Bank will continue. So I mean, it's ah but at least I suppose in the next few days, the murder of women and children and Garza may stop or may be um reduced, which I suppose is something. I just saw a guy that called me on Sky News talking to Kay Bailey about an hour ago. very She was very good. Not to Kay Bailey for a while.
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alexei sayle
let her talk uninterrupted until you know until she got the best until finally of course they do that you know constantly interrupting but she did get to say she did get to say a fair a fair to get a fair amount of truth you know and so that's where we are today really I think and the march on Saturday I think will be I don't know whether it'll be a celebration of at least the ceasefire or whether it'll be I don't know what freedom will be on the march on Saturday Lindsay German what's up being asked if I would
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alexei sayle
if I would agree to walk at the front of the demonstration, which is something I don't usually do. I mean, I prefer to just walk with the ordinary people in the in the in the body of the demonstration rather than kind of put them at the front. But I think because they were, you know, they were prevented from, they wanted it to start off outside the BBC on Portland Place and there's ah there's a synagogue, I think, further up Portland Place. Use that as an excuse to kind of
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They wanted some Jews at the front.
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alexei sayle
Yeah. So I assume that they want some prominent Jews at the front of the, of the demo to make the point that, you know, uh, that, uh, well, you know, that it's, that it's not that these, these don't necessarily threaten into Jews or any of that.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They still peddle the lie that Central London is a no-go area for Jews on the day of the march.
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alexei sayle
Oh, that bullshit. Yeah. So anyway, so, so I will. I will, i'm I'm gonna go to, I'm gonna go to Tai Chi and then I'm gonna get to the march about one. I think Lindsay said, it's probably set off about 130, so I'll get changed. I can't really march in my uniform. Let come through uniform, I'd look a bit odd.
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alexei sayle
ah but um So i'll get there but ah I'll get there about one and I'll be a dad usually.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
at the photo op
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alexei sayle
you see that for so i think i I find myself for one reason or another slipping away from the front pretty rapidly but I'll try and stay there for a while.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
the photo ah
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alexei sayle
get that photo up. Yeah. Um, so anyways, so that's, that's happening. Um, a few hours after this podcast drops, I guess. Um, and that's kind of where we are.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
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alexei sayle
Shall I continue talking over? You've got something you'd like to say.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, it's never, I never, when they announced the ceasefire, it's never like I'm doing backflips and then punching the sky.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
it's um but You've got no reason to to to trust Israel.
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alexei sayle
No, I mean point.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
or a word they say, you know, it's like a fucking grizzly bear inviting you into his cave for a picnic, you know, you're like, why should I?
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alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. No. that ah Yeah. us
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But they want, it feels like they want you to say like, thank you, Daddy, for this ceasefire.
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alexei sayle
Hmm.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Thank you so much, Daddy Israel.
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alexei sayle
Hmm.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um But all you can do is sit and wait. I mean, wait and see how, how far they, They go with it. I saw something interesting saying that there's a pattern whenever there is a inauguration in America about to happen.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um That's when they call a ceasefire and it's like the president of America, the incoming president asks them to pause for a moment so that they can have some so have some of the spotlight.
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alexei sayle
Right. Yeah. Yeah. They could just kind stop killing children for a couple of days if they didn't mind. Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And you know we've heard about what Trump intends for the Middle East.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
If any Arabs step out of line, they'll be held to pay.
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alexei sayle
Yeah. Hmm.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But um ah the on the other hand, you know I've seen footage of of celebrations in the street of Gaza.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, well, they've got very little to celebrate, so, you know, you've got to give them that, really.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And so I don't want to take that away from them and like in Syria, you know, listen to them, listen to the victims.
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alexei sayle
No.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um But do you want to go through the the phases and conditions of the ah ceasefire?
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alexei sayle
Not really, I mean, would it be useful?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
In case our listener isn't
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alexei sayle
doing that oh but I don't know.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
all right with that great show of enthusiasm i'll step into this uh wonderfully welcomed segment no no no forget it no no no forget the no there's a phase one is uh 42 days and there's going to be an exchange of Israeli captains uh captains captives for a much larger number of Palestinian prisoners
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alexei sayle
Go on then. Go on. you just
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alexei sayle
captiv
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alexei sayle
Yeah. Of course, one of the problems with that is that of course, as soon as I mean, and they've done this in the past, You know, once the the Israelis release prisoners and they just re-arrest them later.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes.
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alexei sayle
So it's a, you know, it's a, it's not exactly a, it's not much of a concession on their fucking part.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes.
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alexei sayle
Obviously the, uh, Hamas would have more difficulty requiring new hostages.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There does seem to be a different And also you and once they get their captives back, they'll start bombing again. But like there does seem to be a different energy about this ceasefire.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I can't quite put my finger on it.
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alexei sayle
Really?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But in the way it's being discussed, feels more permanent, but I i don't feel like that's justified. um Because we don't have the proof of that yet.
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alexei sayle
Oh well, let's hope so.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Only time will tell.
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alexei sayle
yeah
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um there's um There's...
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They will withdraw their forces from Gaza, Israel, but there will be a buffer zone so theyll they can stay within 700 meters of the border of Gaza.
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alexei sayle
Yeah. The people for so much is all of Gaza. Yeah, gone.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, almost a kilometer inside the border of Gaza.
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alexei sayle
Right.
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alexei sayle
Right. It's not that big.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
The big one though, and and also that this begins on Sunday, so there's always the trend of before a ceasefire actually begins.
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alexei sayle
Oh, they can have an OG of destruction there.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, they fulfill their bloodlust.
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alexei sayle
There it is.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's gross, it's gross.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Instantly, within an hour of it being announced, ah there was footage of you know dead kids on my phone.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's like you give us a reason to smile and instantly smack the smile off our faces.
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alexei sayle
Mmm. Mmm.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Those poor bastards out there man, fuck's sake. Just can't imagine.
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alexei sayle
No.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And like what is left to bomb as well? Like, you know, 70% of every building in Gaza, six Hiroshima bombs.
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alexei sayle
No, yeah. Well, just people. Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
have been dropped on guard.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What's left to fucking bomb?
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You're just bombing dust after that.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um The big one ah for me is that they're gonna allow people back. And they so it's also insulting. They're gonna allow displaced people to go back to their neighborhoods in the North, you know to find what to just put pitch another tent on top of the rubble of their home.
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alexei sayle
What's left? Yeah. Yeah.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But I guess it's it's the freedom of movement has been so limited and scary for Gazans.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And that's a big one for me. It just means you couldn't fucking walk and visit your friends and not worry about getting sniped, supposedly.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And then you've got um wounded Palestinians will be allowed to leave Gaza for treatment.
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alexei sayle
do
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I suppose that's a big one, because that's a big cause of death. it's just people
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alexei sayle
Yeah, I mean, that's a war crime in itself, stopping the wounded, being treated as a war crime right there. but and
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And lastly, yeah, this one, the the there were Israel will reduce their presence in the Philadelphia corridor, the boat which is the border between Egypt and Gaza.
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alexei sayle
Right. Yeah. yeah
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And after 50 days, withdraw completely. um
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alexei sayle
Well, we'll see. Yeah, but we'll see. Let's hope that something something positive comes out of this, really.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And if this ceasefire is sustained, then it's, um you know, the Palestinians have the grace of having a, you know, taking a breath and, you know, they keep saying counting their dead, which is so morbid.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um But that means we, oh yeah.
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alexei sayle
Which I think will be a lot more. The death toll will be a lot higher than this report.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, they're estimating quarter million.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, I think that's probably accurate.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and um but we have to keep pressuring our local MPs don't stop emailing your local MP to hold to account those who've been complicit and also to in to in encourage our government to enforce the international hmm oh ah Sir Starmer Sir Slimer
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alexei sayle
Yeah. My local MP is in the fucking Ukraine today. My local MP is in the Ukraine to today.
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alexei sayle
I'm Sir Slama.
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alexei sayle
Sir Keith Slama. I have a pathetic name you can make up for him.
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alexei sayle
Well, let's hope anyway.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Good for him.
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alexei sayle
and it's It's a day of, it's a day of, ive I feel very dejected really last night. and just You know, they're glad that they made the killing May at some point stop, although it hasn't yet, and that, you know, something better will happen, you know. But we'll see. Inshallah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, I can't I can't help but feel it feels insulting when they
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alexei sayle
um
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Declares these was like now now ceasefire.
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alexei sayle
but So, shall we go on?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, wow now now we're having one.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Okay What brought this about? My ah my brother ah keeps saying um Okay, we found the number we found the number of dead Palestinians that it takes To justify a ceasefire here.
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alexei sayle
Yes.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It is. It's 50,000 officially, you know
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alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Fingers crossed and and you know blessings and good luck to the devastated families out in Gaza and Palestine.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, let's see. Indeed, indeed, indeed. So, all right, let's, um well, let's hope anyway, let's, so it's, let's move on to other matters.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes, sir. All right, yeah, OK.
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alexei sayle
Although linked matters since everything is, everything here is a, is a web of interconnectedness. One thing feeding into the other.
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alexei sayle
That's it.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What, have you got something on mind? What's linked?
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alexei sayle
No, no.
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alexei sayle
and Now you mention it now. It's a nice, yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, something linked? Yeah, fuck yeah. ah You have something to promote, Alexei.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, go on. What am I doing?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Quick advertisement break in the Alexeil Podcast.
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alexei sayle
maybe believe little
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Zoop, zoop, zoops su zoop, zoop, zoop, zoop, zoop, zoop. On the 22nd of January, you worry um approximately 6.40 p.m. ah you're going to be at the Genesis Cinema in Bethnal Green because there'll be a screening of a of a movie called The Big Lie 3, the third in the ah series, the Big Lie series, censoring Palestine
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alexei sayle
Yes, I am.
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alexei sayle
Yeah. Alright. censoring Palestine. Yeah. So it is all linked. Yeah. So this is a film made by the same people did that I did the narration for Jeremy Corbyn, The Big Lion. It's about how Palestinian voices are censored. There's no, there's no narration with this. It's just, I think it's just testimonies from various various people just, you know, just, I mean, we, I think those who listen to this podcast will be, you know, Palestinian voices, our voices are speaking for Palestine are constantly censored, constantly interfered with in in a multiplicity of ways.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
so is this block like talking heads
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alexei sayle
ah
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
plus bro equals movie kind of situation
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alexei sayle
Kind of thing. Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Are you one of the talking heads in the film?
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alexei sayle
what's I mean, I am yes.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And for 11 pounds, you can go and watch this screening.
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alexei sayle
I think I'm on a panel as well so.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
because And yes, after the movie, you'll be joining the mothers of the Filton 10.
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alexei sayle
Right.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They explained the Filton 10.
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alexei sayle
Well, um you know, as you said, one proud record of Keir Starman's government is that Britain leads the world in the jailing of um climate activists and and also activists against Israel's war machine. So um unbelievably repressive. ah The sentences that are being handed out to just stop oil and Palestine action, you know, more than you get for rape, um you know, manslaughter. I mean, extraordinary. And this is, this is on Keir Starmer's watch, you know, and it's you're three times more likely to be ah prosecuted as ah as a climate activist, even compared somewhere repressive like Italy or
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alexei sayle
Germany or the United States. So that's one proud record that Keir Starmer can promote. And the Filton 10, I think, are Palestine, Palestine action activists who attacked an Albert factory in manufacturing parts to kill children in Filton in near Bristol.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Right.
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alexei sayle
There's a Filton near Bristol. What's that BAE plans? Is that near Preston?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Sheffield.
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alexei sayle
No, near Preston. I don't know. We'll really lock this up and not make us.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I'm on it.
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alexei sayle
look but Look up with is Bristol.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, Filton Bristol. Yeah, you were right.
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alexei sayle
I was I was right. Yeah, I was right.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You are right.
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alexei sayle
So so um and they are being you know kept in jail. There's a story about over Christmas. They couldn't release that doctor who was a climate activist because ah she was so thin that the the yeah the tracker couldn't fit on their wrist.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh God.
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alexei sayle
You know, people are being kept, I mean, you know, as they pioneered this with junior studies, people are being kept up to a year, I think, on remanding appallingly filthy conditions at Belmarsh and other prisons before they even get to trial.
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alexei sayle
And it's gobsmacking that a Labour government, a Labour government, remember that, a Labour fucking government, a Labour government is doing this.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
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alexei sayle
Not the Tories, not fucking reform. you know but that a Labour government is keeping people who act on their conscience for the benefit of us all is keeping them banged up for 10 months a year before they even come to town.
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alexei sayle
This is a this is a government that is also composed in large part of because none of them have ever had a proper job large part of lawyers and yet they um you know yeah yeah
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yep. And using terrorism laws, right? Which is ironic.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Do you remember our guest many episodes again ago, AJ, from Palestine Action?
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah They've been contacting me every now and then, keeping me updated on their situation.
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alexei sayle
Alright.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And so massive big ups and props to AJ. But they they just got their verdicts for their action last October, um not guilty of conspiracy to criminal damage, guilty of a fray. What does a fray mean?
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alexei sayle
sort of like causing a ruckus.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, that's what I thought. ah
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alexei sayle
I mean, that's also the thing, of course, the jury's refused to convict. I mean, that is that partly why they're keeping people on Roman for so long. Roman is to punish them because they know that juries will just kick these cases out and why they're trying to stop them being, you know, and they obviously the judges refuse to let them use their ethical beliefs as a basis for their defense and all that shit as well.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I think um last I heard AJ's avoided to prison, but is on curfew, been tagged, working with a barrister to try and minimal minimize the charges.
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alexei sayle
Right.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and um So good luck, AJ.
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alexei sayle
Right.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Thanks for keeping me posted. I am reading.
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alexei sayle
Did I talk about seeing Asif Kapadia on...
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alexei sayle
It was on the news, I think. mag jary ah No, Asif Kapadia.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Peter Capaldi.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No, Peter Capaldi.
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alexei sayle
What about Peter Capaldi?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You're saying his name wrong.
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alexei sayle
No, I'm talking about us.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Sorry, please, please carry on. Ignore me. I'm sorry.
00:19:23.15
alexei sayle
That's shit. That's so shit.
00:19:27.43
alexei sayle
Asif Kapadia did this film with Samantha Morton, somebody who I've worked with, called 2073, I think, about a dystopian Britain.
00:19:31.51
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
00:19:36.97
alexei sayle
And he was doing an interview with, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:19:38.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, the CCTV one. Yeah, yeah.
00:19:40.77
alexei sayle
But he was doing an interview with some you know london like local London news or something. And he said to the interviewer, go on, let's have a BBC interview. he said you know you say you know what can we do to stop this and we are already he said we are already in the middle we are already living in it in a repressive dystopia we're not you know if we pass some laws and um take some actions then we can stop it we are right in the middle of it i mean admittedly it can get a lot worse but that's where we're at yo
00:19:57.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
00:20:15.60
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, man. I did have a, oh yeah, okay. So you'll be on the panel with the mothers of Filton 10.
00:20:24.55
alexei sayle
All right.
00:20:25.21
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and the filmmakers having a discussion after the screening of the Big Lie 3, Censoring Palestine. It's 11 pounds a ticket. It's at the Genesis Cinema. That's the website you wanna go to is Genesis Cinemas website, Bethnal Green, and book your tickets if you wanna catch that.
00:20:35.60
alexei sayle
Nice.
00:20:38.54
alexei sayle
Okay.
00:20:43.08
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
i i I have a probably very stupid question for you, but I am curious about something.
00:20:47.79
alexei sayle
okay
00:20:50.62
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So you're you're Jewish, right?
00:20:52.62
alexei sayle
I am too. Yes.
00:20:53.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, so ah you had a brace. No, it's ah about um birthright. Were you ever like, contacted about that? Or is that a mainly American thing?
00:21:04.27
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Did they ever offer you a free trip to a kibbutz? That kind of stuff that you hear about a lot?
00:21:07.67
alexei sayle
No, I mean, yeah, no, because I wasn't, I wasn't part of the, you know, an inverted commas, the Jewish community, obviously. I mean, my mother was Jewish and she was, you know, she was very Jewish and her family were very orthodox. And obviously, of course, problems when she married out of the religion. And so after that, they kind of swooped in a bit as she got older.
00:21:33.79
alexei sayle
people from the Jewish community would come to, um you know, offer kind of meals on wheels and respite care and stuff like that, which she would happily accept.
00:21:38.31
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hmm. Mm hmm.
00:21:50.22
alexei sayle
Well, you know, they they the yeah Palestine solidarity meetings in Liverpool were held at a place called the Kazza, which is a, famous bar owned by doctors, which they use their compensation after the the strike in 1990, I think it was, but it has no access.
00:22:09.33
alexei sayle
I think it has steps up to it has no disabled access. So people would carry Molly in a wheelchair up the stairs for the PSC.
00:22:19.15
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh.
00:22:19.77
alexei sayle
But she would happily take, you know, take free meals and shit off these people, but without alternative use at all, really.
00:22:26.87
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So is that more so for the listeners, I'm so like if a lot of Jewish people are offered a free trip to Israel and then.
00:22:33.63
alexei sayle
Yeah, I mean, there's a very good film and it's obviously it's got US bias, but there's a very good film called Israelism, which I went to at the gen Genesis.
00:22:38.86
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's fantastic, it's horrific, though, yeah.
00:22:41.20
alexei sayle
I saw it at the Genesis Cinema, which is about... all that stuff really all that brainwashing about ah you know jews and israeli and it's not it's it's not working anymore of course with meaning i mean the majority of young young american jews think israelis as i understand i might be misrepresenting the
00:22:48.13
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah yeah yeah hopefully I hope that's the case
00:23:04.36
alexei sayle
defined Israel, I think it's something like a majority of young Israeli Jews under 35 think that Israel is an apartheid state and do not support Israel and wanna meet, I mean, 75% wanna ceasefire. So they're losing the battle of influence to the Jewish community. Of course, it doesn't in a sense matter because Zionists have control of the US of all the levers of power and they also have the support of um Evangelical Christians.
00:23:35.04
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes.
00:23:35.58
alexei sayle
which is, I remember, um oh, Margot Barghouti talking about this and saying that, you know, did the did did they, day so the evangelical Christians think that when all Jews are in the Holy Land, then Christ will come down. Those that convert to, those Jews who convert to Christianity at that point um will be accepted, but those that don't will be slaughtered.
00:24:03.56
alexei sayle
So it's a kind of a, it's a, it's a racist ideology, but designers are happy to use it because it, you know, because it gives them access to power in the United States.
00:24:08.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh yeah.
00:24:16.64
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
How backwards and weird do you have to be to believe that's actually going to happen?
00:24:20.71
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:23.56
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
it's the ah there's ah I think it's rooted in racism and antisemitism.
00:24:23.65
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:24:28.43
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
this and there You can't possibly be living in today's world and fully believe that's true, but you're also like, yeah, let's get the Jews out of here.
00:24:29.98
alexei sayle
yeah
00:24:36.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
because I believe all these conspiracies about Jews and I want them out of here.
00:24:36.80
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:24:42.30
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and
00:24:43.00
alexei sayle
Yeah, well, that's, yes, yes, yes, that's also true. ah But it's, you know, it's an, if you look into the absurdity of of this ideological basis for support for Israel, it pretty ah rapidly.
00:24:56.71
alexei sayle
Yeah, but I mean, it crumbles down into racism, racist, racism of the evangelical Christians, and also the racism of Jews, of Zionists who, you know, have racist views towards Arab people.
00:25:02.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hmm.
00:25:11.23
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah and like a jewish person who's never been to israel has more right to land out there than the indigenous people of the land whose genetics go back all the way to when their ancestors were jewish people living there you know and before that and
00:25:18.76
alexei sayle
Yeah. Indeed. It's.
00:25:28.98
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:25:32.56
alexei sayle
It's obsolete.
00:25:34.86
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Uh, so you've never had been that offered that I guess.
00:25:37.30
alexei sayle
I know.
00:25:37.34
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So like it's norm.
00:25:38.18
alexei sayle
they
00:25:38.34
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Is it more to do with communities who go to synagogue every week and, and they get given pamphlets and stuff like that.
00:25:41.95
alexei sayle
I get. I imagine so. I imagine so. Yeah.
00:25:45.45
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Interesting. Okay.
00:25:46.29
alexei sayle
I imagine so. that They know.
00:25:47.82
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I wondered how that worked.
00:25:48.37
alexei sayle
I mean, I never, no, I never got that.
00:25:48.87
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I thought every Jewish person gets a letter in the post one day that says, come to Israel.
00:25:54.52
alexei sayle
Well, they know. I mean, I'm so, I think I'm pretty well known as being a part of the tradition.
00:25:58.83
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So were your parents always anti-Zionists?
00:26:02.41
alexei sayle
Well, it was, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
00:26:04.06
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
when they were in the communist party and all that.
00:26:06.85
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah. I mean, Molly, I think Molly had complex feelings about she because she loved being Jewish and she loved, you know, and, you know, it was obviously there's shared complex feelings about being shunned by her family, I think.
00:26:20.28
alexei sayle
And it was sort of complicated for her.
00:26:25.73
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh.
00:26:25.83
alexei sayle
But no, she always, always supported them.
00:26:28.25
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And that's the sad thing at the root of it all is that They're exploiting the pain of a repressed people, a displaced people, a people who have a history of mistreatment.
00:26:38.35
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:26:45.01
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:26:45.13
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I'm talking about the Jewish people, a history of, ah you know, whether it was Russia or the Nazis or or modern antisemitism in America and and fucking England, which is very guilty, ah you know, before World War II was a very antisemitic place.
00:26:46.87
alexei sayle
Yeah. But it's true. I mean, it's in this.
00:26:53.83
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:27:00.53
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:27:01.58
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um And the the language we hear about migrants today is the same language they spoke about the Jewish people coming into England.
00:27:01.78
alexei sayle
your classes yeah
00:27:05.54
alexei sayle
yeah
00:27:09.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And it's they're they're they're feeding on that pain and on that feeling of victimhood to create the most evil.
00:27:09.66
alexei sayle
Yeah, well, in the sense, you could say.
00:27:17.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And that's the such an ironic, tragic, sad core of it all.
00:27:19.94
alexei sayle
I know.
00:27:22.64
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
you know
00:27:22.75
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's ah I mean, ultimately, it's that the existence of state of Israel is a victory for the Nazis, because it's saying that the only risk the only response to oppression and murder and genocide is more oppression, murder and genocide.
00:27:36.94
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's the most a blatant example of pitting victims against each other, pitting re repressed people against each other, pitting lower class people against each other.
00:27:49.99
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's like, you know, Arabs have suffered very similar ah prejudice as Jewish people have, and they make create enemies out of each other rather than realizing we have more in common than we don't.
00:28:03.66
alexei sayle
Yeah. You're right. You're right there mate.
00:28:08.85
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And then how far do they take it where forgiveness doesn't even become an option anymore. They take it so far that people are born or have experienced things at such a young age that they just have hate and bitterness put in their hearts or are just traumatized from so young.
00:28:27.38
alexei sayle
Yeah, I mean, you could, I mean, to, to sort of widen this out in the sense that, that the yes, I know.
00:28:31.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I'm spiraling, Alexi help. Yeah.
00:28:35.71
alexei sayle
I think the listeners have told you. But, um and I mean, ultimately, this is about capitalism, I think, as all things I believe come back to capitalism, you know, the the the reason for this, you know, let's not forget the reason for the impression of the Palestinians is about oil and it's about arms sale and it's about keeping up with them, keeping a particular um group of people in power and making them rich, making them richer and richer and
00:28:47.49
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
00:29:13.74
alexei sayle
You know, that's, that's ultimately what it's about. It's not just about a kind of random pissing one group of people against another group of people. That is the essence, that you know, divide and conquer is the essence.
00:29:23.69
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's the tool they use.
00:29:24.75
alexei sayle
that Yeah. Yeah. Is the essence of capitalism and it's capitalism that it's capitalism that creates all this, all these problems.
00:29:36.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and And the West has always wanted a piece of that land. It's a rich fertile land. It's ah it's a land, or a transitional land between worlds.
00:29:42.83
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:29:45.50
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's a very, it's it's the fucking Silk Road.
00:29:49.08
alexei sayle
And it's also, I mean, there's a theory, you know, that obviously that that be by, it's that there was a potential for kind of Arab nationalism, I mean, whether that would have worked or not is another question.
00:29:49.47
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's Mesopotamia.
00:30:00.43
alexei sayle
But you know, the reason that I think all those countries are very similar flags is because there was an idea that Syria and Lebanon and Jordan and Egypt and while Iraq was all linked up in one kind of Arab super state.
00:30:14.26
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hmm.
00:30:16.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, yeah.
00:30:16.79
alexei sayle
And certainly yeah Israel, Israel by being this kind of irritant in the middle put an end to that, really.
00:30:25.22
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, yeah.
00:30:25.24
alexei sayle
and So it's it's always it's always divided states within the Middle East.
00:30:29.56
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Us Arabs didn't draw those lines, didn't make those borders. That wasn't us.
00:30:33.49
alexei sayle
Sykes Pico, man.
00:30:37.07
alexei sayle
um Anyway.
00:30:37.70
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Saxpica Goldman Sachs. Anyways,
00:30:41.94
alexei sayle
Of course, we're still snatching young.
00:30:42.57
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Had an email from Red Tin Dave. He said he lives in Hebden Bridge and listened all the way to the end of last episode.
00:30:51.24
alexei sayle
Cool.
00:30:51.50
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
His name's not Jackie though.
00:30:53.68
alexei sayle
Now.
00:30:53.92
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Lots of Jackie's though in the comments. Hello Jackie.
00:30:56.51
alexei sayle
Yes. It's funny what, yeah, funny what engages people's attention.
00:31:04.60
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I had been having such a laugh at all the comments. um You know what, speaking of, I always fail to bring this up. So 70% of our listenership,
00:31:18.52
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um actually about half our listenership is on YouTube, but in terms of podcast listenership, 70% of it is on Apple podcasts, unfortunately.
00:31:30.40
alexei sayle
Mmhmm.
00:31:32.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um And I read that and thought, oh yeah, Apple. And I went and looked at our reviews on the Apple Podcast app.
00:31:43.81
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Reviewing and rating our, show if you're listening to this on Apple Podcasts, if you go to our page on Apple Podcasts, you can scroll down and give us a five star rating. And if you wanna go the extra step, you can even type a little review, even if it's one sentence.
00:32:02.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And that really helps the reach of our show. It helps the algorithm and it helps people find our show. If you just give it that five stars or you give it a rev review.
00:32:13.30
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah We've had 464 ratings on Apple podcasts.
00:32:19.12
alexei sayle
Sounds like that, but they they could.
00:32:21.70
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
you Vastly ah five stars. Well, it's a total of 4.8 out of five stars. It's better than my Uber rating. Um, our most recent one, our most recent one, Alexei chats, there's someone's written a summary of our show for us.
00:32:39.08
alexei sayle
There.
00:32:40.70
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Alexei chats about his work in his life while offering occasional insights on the state of the world. He interviews interesting guests. Once a month or so, he has an Alexei Sel film club episode where he talks about his favorite films.
00:32:56.70
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It has quickly become one of my favorite podcasts. Nicely written there.
00:33:01.87
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:33:02.09
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um That was George, the bass, one of the best places to get an unbiased view of current news with a bit of silliness. Keep on keeping on Alexei.
00:33:12.40
alexei sayle
That was good. i have I didn't know the word.
00:33:16.73
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There's so many. The Jones wrote, time and again, Alexis Sale provides a true left-wing compass to guide us through these horrible times, a real people's treasure.
00:33:17.74
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:33:26.85
alexei sayle
no i agree with you there it's funny looking at the comments on youtube it's really interesting because they're always positive until round about thursday when sort of the right wing nutters it's really kind of bizarre you can sort of time it almost you traitors you know or capital letters and weird fucking emojis you know ah but they don't really get round to it i don't know what they're busy
00:33:37.93
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, yeah.
00:33:52.88
alexei sayle
you know, I know what they're busy doing during the earlier part of the week, but roundabout, it's usually like, there's only one or two, it's usually one or two right wing lunatics tunes in like on Thursday, it's really like...
00:33:53.84
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, they got.
00:34:03.32
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, jumping late in the party.
00:34:06.75
alexei sayle
it and Really?
00:34:09.49
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's fun, isn't it? They called you a fascist this week. Well, that was fun. um
00:34:17.72
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah in a world that's become unfathomably cruel and stupid. It's such a relief sometimes to spend 90 minutes or so, that's a long episode, with kind, funny polymath.
00:34:28.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Alexei Sayle understands politics to its very core, but still loves humanity. More of this sort of thing. Love you, Talana, Alexei. My only complaint
00:34:36.44
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:34:38.28
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
is that the interruptions from Wilf the Cat are not loud enough. Speaking of complaint, I had a really nice email from someone, who but very politely mentioned that my mic is always louder than yours.
00:34:49.86
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That is not intentional.
00:34:50.46
alexei sayle
Is it? Is it?
00:34:51.97
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I don't i didn't catch that.
00:34:52.16
alexei sayle
Oh, yeah.
00:34:53.21
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Otherwise I would't i would have addressed that balance, but maybe as the editor, I don't notice it because it's my own voice.
00:34:54.09
alexei sayle
It's all about Eve. Yeah.
00:35:01.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Maybe there's something psychological going on there, but oh. Those have all been five-star reviews. they I've just found a one-star review, which is... sail in arrelevant dulllo apparently feels the need to revel in the divorce of television television writers who don't subscribe to his idiotic dull-witted parroting of woke ideology
00:35:25.49
alexei sayle
That's a great linehan support, isn't it?
00:35:27.81
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Probably a podcast for Dreary Fools.
00:35:28.80
alexei sayle
I suspect.
00:35:31.25
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's a fun name for our listeners. Dreary Fools. um Okay. that That's funny.
00:35:37.00
alexei sayle
Yeah, that's you enough of that.
00:35:37.80
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's the one, one star one I could find, but keep that.
00:35:39.36
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:35:40.69
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Mate, I want to see some more in the next week. I want to see five new five star reviews in our Apple podcast page. It would mean a great deal.
00:35:49.35
alexei sayle
Yeah, let's let's get this algorithm flying.
00:35:49.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah
00:35:53.16
alexei sayle
Let's get let's get to try and get the word out there to more people, really.
00:35:57.06
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Please.
00:35:57.55
alexei sayle
I've become semi-focused on this. And, you know, I've been occasionally semi-focused on um making this podcast more more available.
00:36:00.92
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes, I imagine you in the dark.
00:36:09.09
alexei sayle
Let's challenge Alistair Campbell and his shithead sidekick.
00:36:17.69
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and i I have an email that I wouldn't mind reading you. Someone asking for advice, Alexei.
00:36:28.25
alexei sayle
Oh, yeah, I can do that. I can be an agony aren't as well as all the other strings to my bow.
00:36:32.79
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Okay.
00:36:34.95
alexei sayle
Well, probably bent.
00:36:36.84
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
This is from Poppy.
00:36:38.53
alexei sayle
Okay.
00:36:39.00
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hello, Poppy.
00:36:41.71
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hi, Alexei and Talal. I absolutely love the podcast and your careers in comedy. I think that's more lean towards you than me.
00:36:50.57
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:36:51.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Unless she was at the Musical Comedy Awards 2022, where I came second place out of the whole country of musical comedians.
00:37:01.72
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I want Oh, airplane mode. My phone's buzzing. Okay.
00:37:08.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Let's wait for that to stop. Well, that might be your end actually. No, it's me.
00:37:11.72
alexei sayle
no i did
00:37:12.65
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's me. It's me.
00:37:12.97
alexei sayle
ah
00:37:15.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I wanted to email as someone struggling to figure out what the right thing to do is. Basically, I am a stick. I am a skinhead and a very politically charged one at that.
00:37:26.73
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Due to my appearance, whether it be because I'm non-conforming i'm a non-conforming woman, or because of the misinformation and bastardization the skinhead scene has faced by the alt-right, I get a lot of crap from people assuming I'm a fascist.
00:37:33.73
alexei sayle
No, I did.
00:37:42.50
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I've been doing the best I can to support Palestine during the suffering and genocide it's currently going through, and as a skint young adult who wants to make films, it's difficult. My question is, do you think I'm doing the right thing to avoid being involved in protests and marches due to my look, not wanting the media or Zionists to paint the movement as anti-Semitic? Oh, I see. I felt a tremendous guilt for not being physically present during these, but I fear I'll do more harm than good. Or am I overthinking it? Thanks for your work being generally funny. Stay sharp.
00:38:21.42
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
S-H-A-R-P. There's a joke there she's making, but I don't get it. P.S., it would be great if you spoke about the roots of skinhead culture. Someone's asked us to do that before. I think we're not as informed as people think, but if we ever want to do a skinhead episode, maybe we'll bring a skinheaded guest on or something.
00:38:34.45
alexei sayle
No, we could, do we could become informed, you know, a bit. I understand that Poppy's feelings, really, that I would say that, you know, I mean, my, you know, my um general information and my general opinion, it's like when, you know,
00:39:01.95
alexei sayle
um you know, those who support Israel or whatever, they go, oh, we can't, you know, we can't, we can't like stop killing babies because that would mean that, you know, there would be a victory around us and we'd be, you know, we'd be all matters in our beds within three minutes.
00:39:18.28
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hm.
00:39:18.88
alexei sayle
And I was just thinking, when people say things like that, why don't you try it? You know, you've got the most, I mean, it's just not about Israel, but you've got the most powerful military in there. Certainly in the region, probably one of the most powerful military regions, but why don't you just give it a fucking go? Not being a bastard. So in a similar vein, but obviously like less aggressively, I would say to pop you, give it a go, give it a try. There are, I mean, one of the wonderful things about the um that the the demonstrations in London, one of the really hot moving things,
00:39:51.95
alexei sayle
is the diversity of people, you know, you've got gay and trans, you know, people, Arab people, all these wonderful young Arabic and Pakistani boys and girls and old elderly Jews and young Jews. and Jeremy Corbyn and teachers, you know, a lot of dogs, a lot of dogs, a lot of nice dogs, a lot of nice bicycles that I doubt that really that you would, you know, I mean, people are incredibly welcoming, really.
00:40:11.10
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And teachers, doctors, all the different jobs that show up.
00:40:28.27
alexei sayle
And, you know, looking slightly different to the mainstream would knock up, I certainly don't want them. I mean, go with them.
00:40:38.88
alexei sayle
go with a friend. ah wouldnt go I mean occasionally I've walked by myself and I feel a little bit ridiculous. I feel like Billy No-Mates when i've gone and I'm marching by myself really, so I'd take a friend if you go. A similar, you know, appearance really, but I'd give it a go if it doesn't if it doesn't work for you then.
00:41:01.01
alexei sayle
then, you know, don't go again. But I think that, I mean, that also the, you know, the media and the scientists make, you know, tell such lies about the, about the, the, the, the, the, the marches, the demonstrations anyway, that,
00:41:22.22
alexei sayle
you know, that that yeah wouldn't matter really, what difference would it make really?
00:41:24.04
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What difference would it make?
00:41:26.33
alexei sayle
But I'd just say with anything really, you know, it's a who was it? that was yet how was I can't remember who it was you said, one of the wits from the Bloomsbury group said, you know, try everything except folk dancing and incest.
00:41:39.74
alexei sayle
I mean, I think that um
00:41:44.98
alexei sayle
You know, I would give it a go really would be I'd go I would go you'd feel I think you feel better. I think you feel moved to go on a demonstration. Poppy but I understand the I understand your feelings. Why you haven't but ah it I would I said, give it a try.
00:42:03.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I would, ah to add anything, if you don't mind, Alexei, I wouldn't discourage you from going alone if you don't have friends who want to go with you or can't go with you that day.
00:42:14.40
alexei sayle
Yeah, you make friends.
00:42:14.95
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah you You yourself, Alexei, have told me that when you go on your own to the march, so you contradict yourself sometimes, because you've told me that sometimes you find it quite meditative and and you you march on your own and you you you sit in your thoughts and it helps you process everything and you feel quite profound about it.
00:42:32.26
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
is that not
00:42:33.61
alexei sayle
ah Yes, well I, you know.
00:42:35.39
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I guess if you're scared, oh ah then maybe it's a good idea to go with a friend the first time or something.
00:42:44.01
alexei sayle
ah yeah or you know Yeah, I'm a complicated guy.
00:42:49.32
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You are.
00:42:49.77
alexei sayle
ah
00:42:50.44
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But the other thing i would add is alexsi kind of the other thing I would add is Alexi kind of pointed at it there in his answer.
00:42:51.13
alexei sayle
ah have Sometimes I feel one way, sometimes I feel another. you know
00:42:59.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um
00:43:01.79
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
is a lot of this ah lying that occurs about the marches, about it being a not safe place for Jewish people, um come boils down to anti-Arab, anti-Islamic racism. ah The assumption is it's a Muslim march.
00:43:18.91
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:43:19.71
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
therefore but you know Muslims hate Jews therefore it's an anti-Jewish march you know and people assume that if someone is Muslim they hate Jews this is a Muslim march that it's an anti-Jewish march and that's where do you agree this is where this kind of lie that's how they justify that lie or that's where they're
00:43:37.61
alexei sayle
Well, it's one of many, I mean, hate marches, it's, you know, they have a whole, it's pretty limited, but they have a whole kind of a hurry of false accusations.
00:43:48.51
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And yet,
00:43:48.61
alexei sayle
They're all entirely lies.
00:43:50.87
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and yet the um Muslims and Arabs show up in in their droves to these marches because of course they actually have a more personal connection to the situation.
00:44:00.99
alexei sayle
yeah That's the Jews, you know, the Jewish block is over a thousand strong.
00:44:02.73
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh yeah, yes. But that doesn't stop the Muslims from going to the march. Oh, they're gonna think we're anti-Semitic. They're like, give a fuck. There's a cause.
00:44:12.00
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:44:12.98
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
We're going to speak out about this cause. and they are representing themselves.
00:44:15.90
alexei sayle
It was atomic.
00:44:17.90
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and And a big part of my ethos in life is representation and just just existing as who you are and doing what you do is important, especially if it goes against what people believe, um the stereotypes of of who you are.
00:44:32.29
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So like, if you go there as a skinhead and represent skinheads, you might be the tiny drop, or or if you make, you know, you might be a tiny drop in the waves that slowly change the stereotypes and understandings of what a skinhead is.
00:44:47.71
alexei sayle
You never know.
00:44:50.29
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So go and represent your skinheads.
00:44:52.93
alexei sayle
So Thomas Beecham who said that, try everything once apart from folk dancing and incest, which is good advice, I think.
00:44:59.92
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's really good advice.
00:45:01.11
alexei sayle
So sit Thomas Beecham, of course, was an inheritor of the Beecham, I don't know if you still get them now, if it had been taken over by Lemsip, but Beecham's Powders were the, yeah, he was heir to the Beecham's Powders fortune.
00:45:11.51
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No way. Yeah, you still get them.
00:45:16.23
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
the beach in fortune.
00:45:17.80
alexei sayle
And it's his, no, I think, yeah, it's an anecdote. he probably This is ah a well-known anecdote, but probably a lot of my listeners have heard it. So Thomas Beecham is in a department store, let's say, Harrods. And he sees a woman who he recognizes, and he knows, he knows. And she comes to him and says, oh, hello. And Thomas Beecham says to her, oh, hello. He says, oh, is your husband still doing, you know, that thing? Yeah, he doesn't, look because he's a bit vague. He's trying to kind of fetch you as she is. He says, he says, is your husband still doing that thing that he does? And the woman replies, yes, he's still the king.
00:46:00.43
alexei sayle
That's a true story. So there's two, there's two Thomas Beecham anecdotes right there. That's a great.
00:46:07.09
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's fantastic.
00:46:07.42
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. He's still the king.
00:46:10.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, some old I'll be there.
00:46:11.14
alexei sayle
Yeah. Still the fucking king. He's still the fucking king, right?
00:46:14.34
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Edward, um Eddie, I'm pursuing.
00:46:15.08
alexei sayle
What the fuck? What the fuck is he's going on about? Um, so there's a, an object lesson in vaguely meeting people.
00:46:25.62
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I watched a movie last night called Civil War from last year.
00:46:25.80
alexei sayle
Shall we go on? Yes.
00:46:29.96
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You watched it?
00:46:30.31
alexei sayle
I rather like it. Yeah. Alex Garland, isn't it?
00:46:33.13
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes.
00:46:33.55
alexei sayle
Yeah. Interesting, in interesting in shooting style. And um I watched a film of a very similar kind of, I don't know when it was from very similar kind of aesthetic, which is called Bushwick, which was a Dave Bautista and ah who, and I can't remember who the,
00:46:59.12
alexei sayle
Brittany Snow, which is sort of a slightly similar in a way about, it's sort of about a kind of a civil war in the United States. um Yeah, it's very, it's rather gripping and it's, it's all shot as a single developing master as it were.
00:47:07.07
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's from 2017, that one.
00:47:15.10
alexei sayle
So there's no, you can, if you know that, but you can see where the the cuts are, but you you know, it's essentially, it starts when it starts.
00:47:21.74
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What? The whole thing is a one taker. Oh, that's wild.
00:47:24.73
alexei sayle
Yeah, but it appears to be. I mean, occasionally it goes away to other people, but yeah, it's essentially, it's a single take.
00:47:27.18
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
00:47:30.93
alexei sayle
I mean, it isn't, but um you know, it's ah interesting. But yeah, so I think it's an interesting movie. ah Yeah, yeah.
00:47:40.07
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Civil War. Yeah, it's wild, man. i
00:47:44.09
alexei sayle
I mean, it's a bit, it's a bit pat the point that they're making about the kind of, um about journalism and the voyeuristic aspect of of war journalism.
00:47:56.06
alexei sayle
you know i think I think it's a bit simplistic, that point that they make.
00:47:56.74
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
00:48:00.97
alexei sayle
But yeah, interesting interesting movie. I would recommend it. I would give it four stars.
00:48:08.81
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's what the, ah yeah, the movie, it was sold as this idea. The movie is about an American civil war. But that's really just the backdrop. It was just, the movie is about about furive war photojournalism more than the war itself.
00:48:22.03
alexei sayle
o Great term. Of course, it's Kirsten Dunst. One of the people who I, you know, you like you sort of, I think, follow one of the people who I've, whose careers I've followed.
00:48:32.54
alexei sayle
Well, both is Jesse Plemons, which Kirsten Dunst, his husband, and he played it.
00:48:35.27
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
He's brilliant.
00:48:38.11
alexei sayle
We first, one one first became aware of him as in Breaking Bad as the psychotic, um psychotic teenager.
00:48:48.29
alexei sayle
oh I can't remember his name now, but. wonderful character in Breaking Bad. And then he's ah he's one that matters also, I think, likes to put on weight and then take it off again.
00:48:59.90
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah
00:49:00.35
alexei sayle
Bit of a fast bender in that respect, which is a pretty unhealthy weight. But anyway, he does that. But he has got a very good cameo in
00:49:08.83
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah civil war yeah
00:49:10.96
alexei sayle
in Civil War, yeah. But he's interested, he's done some really interesting work. I think Jesse Plemons is in a film that um won the Oscar, I think, that my friend Tanya Sagachian produced.
00:49:24.84
alexei sayle
and And he was, yeah, he's done a lot of interesting work.
00:49:25.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah and he's working with like scorsese and stuff now he's
00:49:32.90
alexei sayle
He can do comedy as well, I think. And Kirsten Dunst is also, Fascinating, you know, evolved from kind of child actor to lead.
00:49:43.64
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, I didn't know they were married. They were together in a film called ah Something of the Dog, Power of the Dog.
00:49:45.98
alexei sayle
Yep.
00:49:50.22
alexei sayle
Yeah, that's what Tanya Shikachi produced. Yeah. um
00:49:54.40
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
He's great in a film called Game Night. If you've never seen it, it's a bit of a, it went under the wire. Like it what didn't, but it's a really funny and clever film.
00:49:59.94
alexei sayle
Yeah. It's a funny film. Yeah.
00:50:04.09
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And it's about ah a board game night gone wrong, essentially. And Jesse Plemmons steals the show.
00:50:07.80
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:50:09.23
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's a fucking weirdo. He plays great weirdos.
00:50:11.68
alexei sayle
Yeah. I got a second leg.
00:50:17.33
alexei sayle
oh i know Next door. um No.
00:50:20.95
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Is my T-shirt flickering on your screen?
00:50:26.32
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I think the Zencaster doesn't like the color of my T-shirt.
00:50:29.64
alexei sayle
No, it's fine with me.
00:50:30.40
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's flickering on my monitor of the screen, which is, but you're not seeing it.
00:50:34.69
alexei sayle
No. Which I suppose talking well we talked about Jesse Plymouth or it's civil war. Yes, you watched it last night.
00:50:40.74
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hmm.
00:50:41.46
alexei sayle
I just brings us I suppose to film club our film club.
00:50:47.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes, that was gonna that was my ah subtle transitional top topic, because you need to pick a movie.
00:50:48.07
alexei sayle
nely ah
00:50:51.69
alexei sayle
I think, I think a couple of people, well actually, I mentioned, a couple of people mentioned Lindsay Anderson's If, so let's try for that. If it's too difficult to find on the streamers, we may have to go back, but Lindsay Anderson's If. There's a film out called If at the moment, which is some stupid thing about if your imaginary friends existed, but it's not that. Lindsay Anderson's If, I've got some interesting stories about somebody who was in that film who I met quite recently and also with Lindsay Anderson himself I think is an interesting I mean ah again from a bygone age of British culture really so let's say Lindsay Anderson's there for people to find it difficult.
00:51:38.93
alexei sayle
Another film now and then I would have I would also say another film which is going back much further is all about Eve which is about a
00:51:39.05
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Right.
00:51:49.06
alexei sayle
per I mean probably the it's a black and white film from the 40s or maybe early 50s.
00:51:49.90
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hmm.
00:51:55.90
alexei sayle
First time, first substantial role for Marilyn Monroe, but it's about, as Bessie Davis, it's ah it's a film which is about something in show business that happens over and over again, but this was probably the first time that it was typified on screen.
00:52:14.42
alexei sayle
I think it's a George S. Kaufman, Script. ah So let's say if and then let's do that.
00:52:23.43
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
If is available on three places to watch.
00:52:26.81
alexei sayle
Are they quite easy places?
00:52:27.82
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um
00:52:30.46
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah. Pretty mainstream places. I don't want to say their poisonous names on our delegate on our precious podcast, but um it seems available.
00:52:32.81
alexei sayle
Okay. Yeah.
00:52:37.91
alexei sayle
Now.
00:52:40.98
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You can find it.
00:52:41.37
alexei sayle
There's also some interesting gun action in there. There's an interesting scene with a 303, a brand gun.
00:52:47.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, the poster is a big grenade with all these images kind of collaged into it.
00:52:50.78
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:54.45
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Is that the fella from Clockwork Orange?
00:52:57.16
alexei sayle
Yes.
00:52:57.32
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
The main Malcolm, oh yeah, Malcolm McDowell, yeah, of course it is, yeah.
00:52:58.09
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:53:00.81
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:53:01.04
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Okay, if 1968, not 2024's if, with Ryan Reynolds, no, it's Malcolm McDowell 1968.
00:53:08.11
alexei sayle
Absolutely not. Fuck no.
00:53:13.81
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Although if a couple of you watched the recent if, and then listen to our conversation and see if they line up at all. You've got two weeks, listeners, if I if i have that correct. ah so Yeah, it will be on the podcast coming out on February the 1st, Saturday, February the 1st, we will have the next edition of the Alexa Sal podcast and we'll be discussing 1968s.
00:53:42.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
if dot dot dot dot there's four dots in the title yeah i think yeah that's why it came up yeah
00:53:45.17
alexei sayle
Because I talked a bit i think in the last show dots because i type bit last year about having a particularly uncomfortable
00:54:01.09
alexei sayle
which' is Rich is fine. just so I think we're nearly done, aren't they? i'm just like My eyes are constantly drawn to your, for those people on Patreon, I'm drawn to your fruit bowl. That is ah is a very healthy looking fruit bowl. Do you eat that fruit?
00:54:18.79
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, we try to eat it. It's normally half moldy by the time we we're eating it.
00:54:23.42
alexei sayle
Right, yeah.
00:54:23.71
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
but um i If you're on the Patreon, patreon dot.com forward slash alexisailpodcast, sorry, you're giving me an opportunity to plug it, so I'm going to plug it.
00:54:26.06
alexei sayle
It's like ah it's like a
00:54:31.14
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:54:31.85
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Patreon dot.com forward slash alexisailpodcast is where you can go and and financially support the show.
00:54:35.59
alexei sayle
Have a look at Talal's fruit bowl. It's impressive.
00:54:40.04
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
if you If you subscribe to the podcast or pay a one off fee, you can watch video editions of these episodes. And yeah, It makes my flat look huge, by the way, the Zen caster.
00:54:49.67
alexei sayle
The fruit bowl. Oh no, is it?
00:54:51.91
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It makes my flat look huge. It makes it look like that wall is miles away from me.
00:54:53.77
alexei sayle
All right.
00:54:56.10
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and but ah But yeah, I was at my mom's lot.
00:54:56.99
alexei sayle
One of my hobbies.
00:54:58.90
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Sorry, just to answer.
00:54:59.84
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:55:00.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I visited my mom yesterday and she sent me home with a bag of fruit, which I've piled on in there.
00:55:03.91
alexei sayle
Oh, okay.
00:55:05.95
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So you reminded me, I need to eat some.
00:55:06.43
alexei sayle
That's really nice. It looks like a, it looks like a, you know, a painting from the, the great, the high point of the Flemish Renaissance.
00:55:08.10
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Have your vitamins darling, come on.
00:55:19.81
alexei sayle
Oh, that'd be nice.
00:55:20.95
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I might make a smoothie.
00:55:25.95
alexei sayle
ah One of my hobbies, one of my bizarre was, well, Linda is looking at flats for sale. that we're never going to buy.
00:55:35.20
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah
00:55:35.51
alexei sayle
But always there's ah in every flat for sale in our price bracket is there's always several electric guitars on stands like your guitar there. There's a room. You know, with I think that's when people, I don't know whether any of them have ever been played, but there's always, I don't know i don't think there's anything in the stand-up he was, I'm obviously trying it on, but there's always a couple of like, I'm not good on guitars, but Fender, look like Fender Stratocasters or whatever, um kind of stands in in like what is presumably the husband's office room, yeah.
00:56:04.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Mm-hmm. That's a guitar.
00:56:11.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Sexist. Well, it's nice to imagine a flat you're moving into was a place of art, of music, belonged to a creative person.
00:56:18.48
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:56:22.12
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But like you said, it is quite likely to just be decorative. Mine isn't. Mine gets quite a lot of use.
00:56:26.68
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:56:29.27
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Yeah, I kicked with it last week. um I've been getting back into improv comedy, which I know is poisonous words to you.
00:56:37.43
alexei sayle
Cheers.
00:56:40.42
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um But I used to do it years ago before I started stand up and I kind of left that scene when I got into stand up comedy about seven, eight years ago.
00:56:52.22
alexei sayle
All right.
00:56:52.90
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And also when I just got sick of it, because everyone's so nice in improv. Everyone's very nice to each other.
00:56:57.69
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:56:59.86
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
However, like a few months ago, I got a message out of the blue from someone from my previous life and they were creating the first ever British improv team made up of Middle Eastern performers.
00:57:08.70
alexei sayle
All right.
00:57:14.05
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So I'm just going to plug it real quick. We're called The Bazaar.
00:57:17.80
alexei sayle
Okay.
00:57:18.31
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And you can find us on the social media as The Bazaar Show. um We gig at a place called Hoopla, which is in London Bridge in ah above a pub called The Miller.
00:57:31.32
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
A lot of names I'm throwing at you here.
00:57:33.02
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:57:33.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But if you go to Hoopla Improv or Hoopla Improv, you can find tickets for the next Bazaar Show. We're doing one in February.
00:57:42.17
alexei sayle
Very funny episode of Family Guy, it where, um, um, what's the sex best pilot character?
00:57:42.71
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and
00:57:49.47
alexei sayle
Um, Quagmire, Quagmire is in a, is in an improv group and he gets, gets the other the guys to, to join him doing improv.
00:57:49.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
a quagmire.
00:57:58.59
alexei sayle
Very, very funny.
00:58:00.08
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, we we do like these like mystical ah fables in the style of like Arabian Nights, Shah Lazard kind of thing. We're doing stuff that no one fucking does and no one would be would dare to do because we're doing like really silly Arabic accents, you know, and it's like a welcome to the bazaar, you know, and we're weaving these long 30 minute narratives.
00:58:07.98
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:58:13.18
alexei sayle
Yeah
00:58:20.65
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah So we're doing short plays, essentially.
00:58:20.74
alexei sayle
yeah
00:58:24.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um that have like a you know moral to the story. And they they always end up involving lots of sex and poop and silly things. but But we tried to include you know these element of the mystic mystic and
00:58:36.16
alexei sayle
Well, okay. Well, if listeners, if that's, I just noticed actually that your, yeah, your, um, the Ziggy zaggy lines, they are much bigger on your speech than on mine.
00:58:46.68
alexei sayle
So maybe people are right about your microphone being louder than my mind's like hardly I'm aware. I'm hardly disturbed in there.
00:58:53.96
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, I use a mic properly, i'm I'm really close to it. My mic is, if if you do that with your hand, extend your pinky and thumb, your mouth and mic should be that that distance away from each other.
00:58:57.16
alexei sayle
All right. Yeah.
00:59:01.05
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:59:05.82
alexei sayle
Alright, I'm being very unprofessed and I'm miles away.
00:59:08.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And that's that's how...
00:59:09.42
alexei sayle
ah I'm partly doing this to stop you talking about improv.
00:59:13.51
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I'm
00:59:15.60
alexei sayle
Well, that sounds fantastic.
00:59:16.64
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
very proud, we're the first fucking Middle Easterners to be doing it.
00:59:18.20
alexei sayle
Yeah, go for it. If that's the sort of thing you like, then you'll like that sort of thing that Talal's doing and I'd urge you to go along to the miller above the people are above the Miller in London Bridge.
00:59:31.37
alexei sayle
She tells Arabic improv group that bizarre they go I see I do remember how I am listening.
00:59:37.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Thanks, Alex. You remembered everything I said. That was very touching.
00:59:40.17
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:42.29
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Thank you very much. All right, I'm done talking about it.
00:59:44.32
alexei sayle
hit All right, we done for today.
00:59:47.62
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Are we done? I'm going to check my list of topics. Oh, um respect and love to Tony Slattery's family.
00:59:51.35
alexei sayle
We haven't really
00:59:55.18
alexei sayle
Yeah, i mean maybe we'll talk about that next time. I are felt so i mean do i mean ah so complicated really. It was funny Tony Slattery, because he was part of that Oxford.
01:00:07.21
alexei sayle
He went to Oxford at the same time as that lot, like I think Angus and Rowan and Richard Curtis and Stephen Fry, find but they were came.
01:00:15.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
fry... whatever.
01:00:19.31
alexei sayle
and But yeah, that sort of generation, and and and they certainly do. They they like they looked after him. you know he got They gave him a lot of work. He had his own sitcom and stuff like that. They look after each other, but he was on like all the rest of them in charge. He was working class. And i wonder i mean it's a I wonder whether that was part of his problems, really, that he was found himself with you know it's a it's a complicated idea I always thought about if you were working class and you went to Oxford and it probably it doesn't matter with something but that the that what you had the Oxford is a kind of gateway to um
01:01:08.57
alexei sayle
ruling classness, their ruling class. And so you have to, I think you have to throw off your working class nature, you have to be accepted by it.
01:01:20.68
alexei sayle
and And there are people who don't. I mean, something like Frank Cottrell Boyce, I think, went to Oxford and didn't, you know, he's very much himself. But, um you know, you it was a sort of, you know what I'm saying?
01:01:31.01
alexei sayle
You had to you had to give up your working in classness, your class identity in a way, if you wanted to be
01:01:34.48
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hmm Yeah to conform with the
01:01:38.64
alexei sayle
And I don't know, I didn't know him well, but I wonder whether that was, that that friction there between him being the sole kind of working class member of that crowd wasn't part of his problems with alcohol, you know?
01:01:53.68
alexei sayle
I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe I'm putting my own, you know, my own i am prejudices there.
01:01:57.31
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But in terms of what he's...
01:02:00.14
alexei sayle
He seemed to, I mean, he was he always had seen for a long time to be a very tragic figure.
01:02:08.79
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That may be so, but in terms of what he's given us as a performer, he was a very funny guy.
01:02:12.05
alexei sayle
Did a lot of improv, of course. Yeah.
01:02:15.98
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And... ah Yes, he did. And my introduction to modern comedy was whose lines anyway, when I was five, six years old, my dad would let me stay up and watch that.
01:02:27.56
alexei sayle
Right.
01:02:28.00
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um The other things we would watch together, my introduction to comedy were old things like, you know, Two Ronnies and, you know, Dave, who we mentioned the other day, Dave Allen, Blackadder, all that shit.
01:02:37.65
alexei sayle
rather
01:02:41.71
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um But my introduction to modern comedy was whose line? the British one with Clive Anderson and and Tony Slattery.
01:02:47.21
alexei sayle
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:51.50
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I loved his frantic. And that's fun. Interesting what you say there, because that might have add been part of that energy had, desperate it felt desperate to impress, you know, but it was, it was unpredictable and raucous frantic energy.
01:03:01.31
alexei sayle
you Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:08.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Um, but he had the goods to back it up. He was a very funny guy and creative guy, but, and he could keep up with everyone, but it felt like he was, are they going to like me?
01:03:16.27
alexei sayle
yeah
01:03:16.85
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Are they going to know? And I didn't realize there was that class difference. Um, but I'm grateful for what he gave me from a young age, the, the laughs he gave me.
01:03:21.30
alexei sayle
I've always noticed that about him. I mean, I see, I i mean, obviously I see through things through that lens, but, um, you know, yeah, it's a complex bargain that you make when you, you hang out with those people. I mean, I have myself know, you know, I have friends with some of that crowd. It's, uh, it's complicated.
01:03:42.98
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And do they, do they never want you to be the token working class guy? Like, you know, when I'm hanging out with some white people, that I'll be the token Arab. and And sometimes you ham up the Arabness because they'll like titter away. and Oh, who isn't that to quaint, you know?
01:03:57.84
alexei sayle
I don't think so. I mean, they don't, I mean, I've known, you know, the ones that I know I've known for over four years. So I don't, you know, it's just, it's just a friendship, really. I don't think they they find me on settling from time to time.
01:04:09.82
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Okay.
01:04:12.69
alexei sayle
But you know, it's, we're all, we're all old now. So it's less, I don't know.
01:04:19.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Okay. Okay. Before we go, listeners, your homework, you've got two weeks to watch. If from 1968, um, you've got 30 seconds to go to patreon dot.com forward slash Alexa podcast and sign up to a tier there and support us.
01:04:33.12
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And also I want to try something with you, Alexi, right before we go. Uh, I don't think I've heard a very biteable, uh, episode title. I normally take it from something we've said during the show so far.
01:04:42.65
alexei sayle
No. Yeah.
01:04:46.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
The best is going to be is now ceasefire, um but as an experiment, let's see if this works.
01:04:50.46
alexei sayle
Where's your mom?
01:04:53.38
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Just say something and that will be the title of the episode and then we can say goodbye.
01:05:00.04
alexei sayle
Frank Steak.
01:05:03.11
alexei sayle
I don't think that's going to work, but I think you could, you could, you come up with good titles often.
01:05:10.28
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Okay.
01:05:12.80
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Okay. Yeah. Fuck that bit. I thought that was, but no, I liked flank steak.
01:05:15.86
alexei sayle
Oh yeah, do it, do it, do it. Yeah, go for it. Yeah.
01:05:18.42
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No, no, ah but now ceasefire is actually quite quite good. Actually, I just thought of that one.
01:05:22.77
alexei sayle
All right.
01:05:23.21
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um
01:05:26.04
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah So if it say if I'm going to edit that out, it would be go to alexx to ah podcast on Patreon. And yeah, that's it. That's it. ah No, more nothing else to promote or plug.
01:05:38.57
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Keep the comments coming. Keep the Apple podcast reviews.
01:05:42.29
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's Apple podcast. Apple podcast goes to Apple podcast.
01:05:44.52
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I will read more of those.
01:05:45.85
alexei sayle
Leave a review.
01:05:45.99
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I'll read one or two of them in the next, whichever comes up in the next week.
01:05:46.57
alexei sayle
Yeah.
01:05:50.14
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
We'll read them out on the next episode.
01:05:51.13
alexei sayle
You get a prize or something.
01:05:53.05
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
The prize.
01:05:54.43
alexei sayle
Well, maybe ah you could do that.
01:05:54.72
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I still have a Lego Alexi to give away. So there you go. Our favorite review. I'll send you an, a Lego Alexi.
01:06:00.45
alexei sayle
Yeah.
01:06:04.08
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Sound good.
01:06:04.11
alexei sayle
Cool. Yeah. Sounds good to me.
01:06:06.15
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Okay. Listen out next week. If I say your review is the winner, we'll do the details next week.
01:06:12.26
alexei sayle
All right. Bye-bye.
01:06:17.58
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Perfect.
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