00:00:00.00 alexei sayle ah Wait, fuck sake. Come on.

00:00:02.26 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah Okay, now we're live.

00:00:04.35 alexei sayle Hello everybody. Welcome to episode 67 of the electcel podcast. We are recording this on Thursday, the 16th of yeah January. Uh, there was a announcement of, um, supposed to cease ideal in Gaza.

00:00:19.38 alexei sayle Uh, I think yesterday, last night to be true to form since then, the Israelis have killed at least 73 people. Uh, so I don't know why I, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I have, I don't know. I have complicated feelings really about it. I think, you know, the Israelis, as they have done in Syria and Lebanon, of whatever ceasefire ideal there is, have continued to flaunt it and we'll do the same in Gaza really. At least I suppose if the

00:00:53.43 alexei sayle Rate of killing has been reduced. Then that is something, um I don't know now that they refuse to work with UNRWA, I don't know how aid will actually get to the Palestinians. So the kind of starvation of Gaza may continue. they Obviously the ah outrage is the war crimes they're committing in the West Bank will continue. So I mean, it's ah but at least I suppose in the next few days, the murder of women and children and Garza may stop or may be um reduced, which I suppose is something. I just saw a guy that called me on Sky News talking to Kay Bailey about an hour ago. very She was very good. Not to Kay Bailey for a while.

00:01:40.67 alexei sayle let her talk uninterrupted until you know until she got the best until finally of course they do that you know constantly interrupting but she did get to say she did get to say a fair a fair to get a fair amount of truth you know and so that's where we are today really I think and the march on Saturday I think will be I don't know whether it'll be a celebration of at least the ceasefire or whether it'll be I don't know what freedom will be on the march on Saturday Lindsay German what's up being asked if I would

00:02:17.63 alexei sayle if I would agree to walk at the front of the demonstration, which is something I don't usually do. I mean, I prefer to just walk with the ordinary people in the in the in the body of the demonstration rather than kind of put them at the front. But I think because they were, you know, they were prevented from, they wanted it to start off outside the BBC on Portland Place and there's ah there's a synagogue, I think, further up Portland Place. Use that as an excuse to kind of

00:02:45.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They wanted some Jews at the front.

00:02:47.41 alexei sayle Yeah. So I assume that they want some prominent Jews at the front of the, of the demo to make the point that, you know, uh, that, uh, well, you know, that it's, that it's not that these, these don't necessarily threaten into Jews or any of that.

00:03:01.64 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They still peddle the lie that Central London is a no-go area for Jews on the day of the march.

00:03:07.65 alexei sayle Oh, that bullshit. Yeah. So anyway, so, so I will. I will, i'm I'm gonna go to, I'm gonna go to Tai Chi and then I'm gonna get to the march about one. I think Lindsay said, it's probably set off about 130, so I'll get changed. I can't really march in my uniform. Let come through uniform, I'd look a bit odd.

00:03:33.29 alexei sayle ah but um So i'll get there but ah I'll get there about one and I'll be a dad usually.

00:03:38.55 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal at the photo op

00:03:42.72 alexei sayle you see that for so i think i I find myself for one reason or another slipping away from the front pretty rapidly but I'll try and stay there for a while.

00:03:53.64 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal the photo ah

00:03:55.60 alexei sayle get that photo up. Yeah. Um, so anyways, so that's, that's happening. Um, a few hours after this podcast drops, I guess. Um, and that's kind of where we are.

00:04:08.81 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:04:10.93 alexei sayle Shall I continue talking over? You've got something you'd like to say.

00:04:15.51 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Well, it's never, I never, when they announced the ceasefire, it's never like I'm doing backflips and then punching the sky.

00:04:22.64 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:04:24.67 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal it's um but You've got no reason to to to trust Israel.

00:04:30.95 alexei sayle No, I mean point.

00:04:31.49 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal or a word they say, you know, it's like a fucking grizzly bear inviting you into his cave for a picnic, you know, you're like, why should I?

00:04:32.09 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah. No. that ah Yeah. us

00:04:41.33 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But they want, it feels like they want you to say like, thank you, Daddy, for this ceasefire.

00:04:46.06 alexei sayle Hmm.

00:04:46.94 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Thank you so much, Daddy Israel.

00:04:49.24 alexei sayle Hmm.

00:04:49.75 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um But all you can do is sit and wait. I mean, wait and see how, how far they, They go with it. I saw something interesting saying that there's a pattern whenever there is a inauguration in America about to happen.

00:05:07.95 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um That's when they call a ceasefire and it's like the president of America, the incoming president asks them to pause for a moment so that they can have some so have some of the spotlight.

00:05:10.86 alexei sayle Right. Yeah. Yeah. They could just kind stop killing children for a couple of days if they didn't mind. Yeah.

00:05:24.58 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And you know we've heard about what Trump intends for the Middle East.

00:05:31.04 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:05:31.55 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal If any Arabs step out of line, they'll be held to pay.

00:05:33.99 alexei sayle Yeah. Hmm.

00:05:36.74 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But um ah the on the other hand, you know I've seen footage of of celebrations in the street of Gaza.

00:05:46.97 alexei sayle Yeah, well, they've got very little to celebrate, so, you know, you've got to give them that, really.

00:05:47.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah

00:05:52.46 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And so I don't want to take that away from them and like in Syria, you know, listen to them, listen to the victims.

00:05:54.26 alexei sayle No.

00:05:59.69 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:06:00.45 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um But do you want to go through the the phases and conditions of the ah ceasefire?

00:06:10.88 alexei sayle Not really, I mean, would it be useful?

00:06:14.11 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal In case our listener isn't

00:06:16.62 alexei sayle doing that oh but I don't know.

00:06:18.80 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal all right with that great show of enthusiasm i'll step into this uh wonderfully welcomed segment no no no forget it no no no forget the no there's a phase one is uh 42 days and there's going to be an exchange of Israeli captains uh captains captives for a much larger number of Palestinian prisoners

00:06:24.44 alexei sayle Go on then. Go on. you just

00:06:35.74 alexei sayle captiv

00:06:39.99 alexei sayle Yeah. Of course, one of the problems with that is that of course, as soon as I mean, and they've done this in the past, You know, once the the Israelis release prisoners and they just re-arrest them later.

00:06:52.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yes.

00:06:53.53 alexei sayle So it's a, you know, it's a, it's not exactly a, it's not much of a concession on their fucking part.

00:06:54.91 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yes.

00:06:59.76 alexei sayle Obviously the, uh, Hamas would have more difficulty requiring new hostages.

00:07:05.61 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal There does seem to be a different And also you and once they get their captives back, they'll start bombing again. But like there does seem to be a different energy about this ceasefire.

00:07:11.82 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:07:15.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I can't quite put my finger on it.

00:07:16.22 alexei sayle Really?

00:07:18.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But in the way it's being discussed, feels more permanent, but I i don't feel like that's justified. um Because we don't have the proof of that yet.

00:07:23.81 alexei sayle Oh well, let's hope so.

00:07:26.06 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Only time will tell.

00:07:27.13 alexei sayle yeah

00:07:28.13 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um there's um There's...

00:07:33.41 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They will withdraw their forces from Gaza, Israel, but there will be a buffer zone so theyll they can stay within 700 meters of the border of Gaza.

00:07:37.85 alexei sayle Yeah. The people for so much is all of Gaza. Yeah, gone.

00:07:45.08 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, almost a kilometer inside the border of Gaza.

00:07:45.25 alexei sayle Right.

00:07:48.47 alexei sayle Right. It's not that big.

00:07:49.76 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal The big one though, and and also that this begins on Sunday, so there's always the trend of before a ceasefire actually begins.

00:07:54.70 alexei sayle Oh, they can have an OG of destruction there.

00:07:57.52 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, they fulfill their bloodlust.

00:07:59.50 alexei sayle There it is.

00:08:01.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's gross, it's gross.

00:08:03.53 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:08:05.15 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Instantly, within an hour of it being announced, ah there was footage of you know dead kids on my phone.

00:08:11.72 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:08:12.24 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um

00:08:15.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's like you give us a reason to smile and instantly smack the smile off our faces.

00:08:20.48 alexei sayle Mmm. Mmm.

00:08:23.40 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Those poor bastards out there man, fuck's sake. Just can't imagine.

00:08:28.54 alexei sayle No.

00:08:28.68 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And like what is left to bomb as well? Like, you know, 70% of every building in Gaza, six Hiroshima bombs.

00:08:30.74 alexei sayle No, yeah. Well, just people. Yeah.

00:08:38.91 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal have been dropped on guard.

00:08:40.85 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:08:41.20 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal What's left to fucking bomb?

00:08:42.73 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:08:43.45 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You're just bombing dust after that.

00:08:43.79 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:08:47.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um The big one ah for me is that they're gonna allow people back. And they so it's also insulting. They're gonna allow displaced people to go back to their neighborhoods in the North, you know to find what to just put pitch another tent on top of the rubble of their home.

00:09:01.34 alexei sayle What's left? Yeah. Yeah.

00:09:07.72 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:09:08.78 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But I guess it's it's the freedom of movement has been so limited and scary for Gazans.

00:09:12.82 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:09:15.43 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:09:15.44 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And that's a big one for me. It just means you couldn't fucking walk and visit your friends and not worry about getting sniped, supposedly.

00:09:22.63 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:09:25.73 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And then you've got um wounded Palestinians will be allowed to leave Gaza for treatment.

00:09:33.02 alexei sayle do

00:09:34.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I suppose that's a big one, because that's a big cause of death. it's just people

00:09:37.74 alexei sayle Yeah, I mean, that's a war crime in itself, stopping the wounded, being treated as a war crime right there. but and

00:09:48.52 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And lastly, yeah, this one, the the there were Israel will reduce their presence in the Philadelphia corridor, the boat which is the border between Egypt and Gaza.

00:09:55.76 alexei sayle Right. Yeah. yeah

00:10:02.87 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And after 50 days, withdraw completely. um

00:10:09.56 alexei sayle Well, we'll see. Yeah, but we'll see. Let's hope that something something positive comes out of this, really.

00:10:18.41 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And if this ceasefire is sustained, then it's, um you know, the Palestinians have the grace of having a, you know, taking a breath and, you know, they keep saying counting their dead, which is so morbid.

00:10:32.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um But that means we, oh yeah.

00:10:33.05 alexei sayle Which I think will be a lot more. The death toll will be a lot higher than this report.

00:10:37.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, they're estimating quarter million.

00:10:39.25 alexei sayle Yeah, yeah, I think that's probably accurate.

00:10:45.20 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and um but we have to keep pressuring our local MPs don't stop emailing your local MP to hold to account those who've been complicit and also to in to in encourage our government to enforce the international hmm oh ah Sir Starmer Sir Slimer

00:10:52.75 alexei sayle Yeah. My local MP is in the fucking Ukraine today. My local MP is in the Ukraine to today.

00:11:11.63 alexei sayle I'm Sir Slama.

00:11:14.59 alexei sayle Sir Keith Slama. I have a pathetic name you can make up for him.

00:11:22.80 alexei sayle Well, let's hope anyway.

00:11:23.15 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Good for him.

00:11:23.92 alexei sayle and it's It's a day of, it's a day of, ive I feel very dejected really last night. and just You know, they're glad that they made the killing May at some point stop, although it hasn't yet, and that, you know, something better will happen, you know. But we'll see. Inshallah.

00:11:48.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, I can't I can't help but feel it feels insulting when they

00:11:48.85 alexei sayle um

00:11:52.94 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Declares these was like now now ceasefire.

00:11:52.99 alexei sayle but So, shall we go on?

00:11:55.39 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, wow now now we're having one.

00:11:56.44 alexei sayle Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

00:11:58.08 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Okay What brought this about? My ah my brother ah keeps saying um Okay, we found the number we found the number of dead Palestinians that it takes To justify a ceasefire here.

00:12:09.74 alexei sayle Yes.

00:12:12.03 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It is. It's 50,000 officially, you know

00:12:12.76 alexei sayle Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:16.03 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and

00:12:18.68 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Fingers crossed and and you know blessings and good luck to the devastated families out in Gaza and Palestine.

00:12:20.29 alexei sayle Yeah, let's see. Indeed, indeed, indeed. So, all right, let's, um well, let's hope anyway, let's, so it's, let's move on to other matters.

00:12:38.97 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yes, sir. All right, yeah, OK.

00:12:44.22 alexei sayle Although linked matters since everything is, everything here is a, is a web of interconnectedness. One thing feeding into the other.

00:12:56.10 alexei sayle That's it.

00:12:56.41 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal What, have you got something on mind? What's linked?

00:12:58.78 alexei sayle No, no.

00:13:01.98 alexei sayle and Now you mention it now. It's a nice, yeah.

00:13:03.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, something linked? Yeah, fuck yeah. ah You have something to promote, Alexei.

00:13:08.03 alexei sayle Yeah, go on. What am I doing?

00:13:09.41 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Quick advertisement break in the Alexeil Podcast.

00:13:12.15 alexei sayle maybe believe little

00:13:14.49 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Zoop, zoop, zoops su zoop, zoop, zoop, zoop, zoop, zoop. On the 22nd of January, you worry um approximately 6.40 p.m. ah you're going to be at the Genesis Cinema in Bethnal Green because there'll be a screening of a of a movie called The Big Lie 3, the third in the ah series, the Big Lie series, censoring Palestine

00:13:29.65 alexei sayle Yes, I am.

00:13:35.37 alexei sayle Yeah. Alright. censoring Palestine. Yeah. So it is all linked. Yeah. So this is a film made by the same people did that I did the narration for Jeremy Corbyn, The Big Lion. It's about how Palestinian voices are censored. There's no, there's no narration with this. It's just, I think it's just testimonies from various various people just, you know, just, I mean, we, I think those who listen to this podcast will be, you know, Palestinian voices, our voices are speaking for Palestine are constantly censored, constantly interfered with in in a multiplicity of ways.

00:14:22.93 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal so is this block like talking heads

00:14:23.20 alexei sayle ah

00:14:25.21 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal plus bro equals movie kind of situation

00:14:29.29 alexei sayle Kind of thing. Yeah.

00:14:30.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Are you one of the talking heads in the film?

00:14:30.29 alexei sayle what's I mean, I am yes.

00:14:34.69 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And for 11 pounds, you can go and watch this screening.

00:14:37.56 alexei sayle I think I'm on a panel as well so.

00:14:37.73 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal because And yes, after the movie, you'll be joining the mothers of the Filton 10.

00:14:45.80 alexei sayle Right.

00:14:46.40 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They explained the Filton 10.

00:14:49.03 alexei sayle Well, um you know, as you said, one proud record of Keir Starman's government is that Britain leads the world in the jailing of um climate activists and and also activists against Israel's war machine. So um unbelievably repressive. ah The sentences that are being handed out to just stop oil and Palestine action, you know, more than you get for rape, um you know, manslaughter. I mean, extraordinary. And this is, this is on Keir Starmer's watch, you know, and it's you're three times more likely to be ah prosecuted as ah as a climate activist, even compared somewhere repressive like Italy or

00:15:33.83 alexei sayle Germany or the United States. So that's one proud record that Keir Starmer can promote. And the Filton 10, I think, are Palestine, Palestine action activists who attacked an Albert factory in manufacturing parts to kill children in Filton in near Bristol.

00:15:57.38 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Right.

00:15:58.03 alexei sayle There's a Filton near Bristol. What's that BAE plans? Is that near Preston?

00:16:03.45 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Sheffield.

00:16:04.62 alexei sayle No, near Preston. I don't know. We'll really lock this up and not make us.

00:16:10.81 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I'm on it.

00:16:10.96 alexei sayle look but Look up with is Bristol.

00:16:11.46 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, Filton Bristol. Yeah, you were right.

00:16:14.04 alexei sayle I was I was right. Yeah, I was right.

00:16:15.27 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You are right.

00:16:17.00 alexei sayle So so um and they are being you know kept in jail. There's a story about over Christmas. They couldn't release that doctor who was a climate activist because ah she was so thin that the the yeah the tracker couldn't fit on their wrist.

00:16:29.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh God.

00:16:33.98 alexei sayle You know, people are being kept, I mean, you know, as they pioneered this with junior studies, people are being kept up to a year, I think, on remanding appallingly filthy conditions at Belmarsh and other prisons before they even get to trial.

00:16:48.96 alexei sayle And it's gobsmacking that a Labour government, a Labour government, remember that, a Labour fucking government, a Labour government is doing this.

00:16:56.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:17:01.16 alexei sayle Not the Tories, not fucking reform. you know but that a Labour government is keeping people who act on their conscience for the benefit of us all is keeping them banged up for 10 months a year before they even come to town.

00:17:19.44 alexei sayle This is a this is a government that is also composed in large part of because none of them have ever had a proper job large part of lawyers and yet they um you know yeah yeah

00:17:29.50 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yep. And using terrorism laws, right? Which is ironic.

00:17:35.77 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:17:36.12 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah Do you remember our guest many episodes again ago, AJ, from Palestine Action?

00:17:42.57 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:17:43.09 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah They've been contacting me every now and then, keeping me updated on their situation.

00:17:46.22 alexei sayle Alright.

00:17:48.14 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And so massive big ups and props to AJ. But they they just got their verdicts for their action last October, um not guilty of conspiracy to criminal damage, guilty of a fray. What does a fray mean?

00:18:11.99 alexei sayle sort of like causing a ruckus.

00:18:16.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, that's what I thought. ah

00:18:19.10 alexei sayle I mean, that's also the thing, of course, the jury's refused to convict. I mean, that is that partly why they're keeping people on Roman for so long. Roman is to punish them because they know that juries will just kick these cases out and why they're trying to stop them being, you know, and they obviously the judges refuse to let them use their ethical beliefs as a basis for their defense and all that shit as well.

00:18:44.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I think um last I heard AJ's avoided to prison, but is on curfew, been tagged, working with a barrister to try and minimal minimize the charges.

00:18:50.56 alexei sayle Right.

00:18:56.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and um So good luck, AJ.

00:18:57.14 alexei sayle Right.

00:19:00.89 alexei sayle Yeah, yeah.

00:19:01.28 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Thanks for keeping me posted. I am reading.

00:19:03.88 alexei sayle Did I talk about seeing Asif Kapadia on...

00:19:09.15 alexei sayle It was on the news, I think. mag jary ah No, Asif Kapadia.

00:19:10.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah Peter Capaldi.

00:19:14.07 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No, Peter Capaldi.

00:19:15.55 alexei sayle What about Peter Capaldi?

00:19:17.79 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You're saying his name wrong.

00:19:20.09 alexei sayle No, I'm talking about us.

00:19:20.30 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Sorry, please, please carry on. Ignore me. I'm sorry.

00:19:23.15 alexei sayle That's shit. That's so shit.

00:19:27.43 alexei sayle Asif Kapadia did this film with Samantha Morton, somebody who I've worked with, called 2073, I think, about a dystopian Britain.

00:19:31.51 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:19:36.97 alexei sayle And he was doing an interview with, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:38.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, the CCTV one. Yeah, yeah.

00:19:40.77 alexei sayle But he was doing an interview with some you know london like local London news or something. And he said to the interviewer, go on, let's have a BBC interview. he said you know you say you know what can we do to stop this and we are already he said we are already in the middle we are already living in it in a repressive dystopia we're not you know if we pass some laws and um take some actions then we can stop it we are right in the middle of it i mean admittedly it can get a lot worse but that's where we're at yo

00:19:57.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:20:15.60 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, man. I did have a, oh yeah, okay. So you'll be on the panel with the mothers of Filton 10.

00:20:24.55 alexei sayle All right.

00:20:25.21 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and the filmmakers having a discussion after the screening of the Big Lie 3, Censoring Palestine. It's 11 pounds a ticket. It's at the Genesis Cinema. That's the website you wanna go to is Genesis Cinemas website, Bethnal Green, and book your tickets if you wanna catch that.

00:20:35.60 alexei sayle Nice.

00:20:38.54 alexei sayle Okay.

00:20:43.08 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal i i I have a probably very stupid question for you, but I am curious about something.

00:20:47.79 alexei sayle okay

00:20:50.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So you're you're Jewish, right?

00:20:52.62 alexei sayle I am too. Yes.

00:20:53.77 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, so ah you had a brace. No, it's ah about um birthright. Were you ever like, contacted about that? Or is that a mainly American thing?

00:21:04.27 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Did they ever offer you a free trip to a kibbutz? That kind of stuff that you hear about a lot?

00:21:07.67 alexei sayle No, I mean, yeah, no, because I wasn't, I wasn't part of the, you know, an inverted commas, the Jewish community, obviously. I mean, my mother was Jewish and she was, you know, she was very Jewish and her family were very orthodox. And obviously, of course, problems when she married out of the religion. And so after that, they kind of swooped in a bit as she got older.

00:21:33.79 alexei sayle people from the Jewish community would come to, um you know, offer kind of meals on wheels and respite care and stuff like that, which she would happily accept.

00:21:38.31 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm. Mm hmm.

00:21:50.22 alexei sayle Well, you know, they they the yeah Palestine solidarity meetings in Liverpool were held at a place called the Kazza, which is a, famous bar owned by doctors, which they use their compensation after the the strike in 1990, I think it was, but it has no access.

00:22:09.33 alexei sayle I think it has steps up to it has no disabled access. So people would carry Molly in a wheelchair up the stairs for the PSC.

00:22:19.15 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh.

00:22:19.77 alexei sayle But she would happily take, you know, take free meals and shit off these people, but without alternative use at all, really.

00:22:26.87 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So is that more so for the listeners, I'm so like if a lot of Jewish people are offered a free trip to Israel and then.

00:22:33.63 alexei sayle Yeah, I mean, there's a very good film and it's obviously it's got US bias, but there's a very good film called Israelism, which I went to at the gen Genesis.

00:22:38.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's fantastic, it's horrific, though, yeah.

00:22:41.20 alexei sayle I saw it at the Genesis Cinema, which is about... all that stuff really all that brainwashing about ah you know jews and israeli and it's not it's it's not working anymore of course with meaning i mean the majority of young young american jews think israelis as i understand i might be misrepresenting the

00:22:48.13 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah yeah yeah hopefully I hope that's the case

00:23:04.36 alexei sayle defined Israel, I think it's something like a majority of young Israeli Jews under 35 think that Israel is an apartheid state and do not support Israel and wanna meet, I mean, 75% wanna ceasefire. So they're losing the battle of influence to the Jewish community. Of course, it doesn't in a sense matter because Zionists have control of the US of all the levers of power and they also have the support of um Evangelical Christians.

00:23:35.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yes.

00:23:35.58 alexei sayle which is, I remember, um oh, Margot Barghouti talking about this and saying that, you know, did the did did they, day so the evangelical Christians think that when all Jews are in the Holy Land, then Christ will come down. Those that convert to, those Jews who convert to Christianity at that point um will be accepted, but those that don't will be slaughtered.

00:24:03.56 alexei sayle So it's a kind of a, it's a, it's a racist ideology, but designers are happy to use it because it, you know, because it gives them access to power in the United States.

00:24:08.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh yeah.

00:24:16.64 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal How backwards and weird do you have to be to believe that's actually going to happen?

00:24:20.71 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah.

00:24:23.56 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal it's the ah there's ah I think it's rooted in racism and antisemitism.

00:24:23.65 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:24:28.43 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal this and there You can't possibly be living in today's world and fully believe that's true, but you're also like, yeah, let's get the Jews out of here.

00:24:29.98 alexei sayle yeah

00:24:36.76 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal because I believe all these conspiracies about Jews and I want them out of here.

00:24:36.80 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:24:42.30 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and

00:24:43.00 alexei sayle Yeah, well, that's, yes, yes, yes, that's also true. ah But it's, you know, it's an, if you look into the absurdity of of this ideological basis for support for Israel, it pretty ah rapidly.

00:24:56.71 alexei sayle Yeah, but I mean, it crumbles down into racism, racist, racism of the evangelical Christians, and also the racism of Jews, of Zionists who, you know, have racist views towards Arab people.

00:25:02.77 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm.

00:25:11.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal yeah and like a jewish person who's never been to israel has more right to land out there than the indigenous people of the land whose genetics go back all the way to when their ancestors were jewish people living there you know and before that and

00:25:18.76 alexei sayle Yeah. Indeed. It's.

00:25:28.98 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:25:32.56 alexei sayle It's obsolete.

00:25:34.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Uh, so you've never had been that offered that I guess.

00:25:37.30 alexei sayle I know.

00:25:37.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So like it's norm.

00:25:38.18 alexei sayle they

00:25:38.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Is it more to do with communities who go to synagogue every week and, and they get given pamphlets and stuff like that.

00:25:41.95 alexei sayle I get. I imagine so. I imagine so. Yeah.

00:25:45.45 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Interesting. Okay.

00:25:46.29 alexei sayle I imagine so. that They know.

00:25:47.82 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I wondered how that worked.

00:25:48.37 alexei sayle I mean, I never, no, I never got that.

00:25:48.87 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I thought every Jewish person gets a letter in the post one day that says, come to Israel.

00:25:54.52 alexei sayle Well, they know. I mean, I'm so, I think I'm pretty well known as being a part of the tradition.

00:25:58.83 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So were your parents always anti-Zionists?

00:26:02.41 alexei sayle Well, it was, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

00:26:04.06 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal when they were in the communist party and all that.

00:26:06.85 alexei sayle Yeah, yeah. I mean, Molly, I think Molly had complex feelings about she because she loved being Jewish and she loved, you know, and, you know, it was obviously there's shared complex feelings about being shunned by her family, I think.

00:26:20.28 alexei sayle And it was sort of complicated for her.

00:26:25.73 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh.

00:26:25.83 alexei sayle But no, she always, always supported them.

00:26:28.25 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And that's the sad thing at the root of it all is that They're exploiting the pain of a repressed people, a displaced people, a people who have a history of mistreatment.

00:26:38.35 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:26:45.01 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:26:45.13 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I'm talking about the Jewish people, a history of, ah you know, whether it was Russia or the Nazis or or modern antisemitism in America and and fucking England, which is very guilty, ah you know, before World War II was a very antisemitic place.

00:26:46.87 alexei sayle Yeah. But it's true. I mean, it's in this.

00:26:53.83 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:27:00.53 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:27:01.58 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um And the the language we hear about migrants today is the same language they spoke about the Jewish people coming into England.

00:27:01.78 alexei sayle your classes yeah

00:27:05.54 alexei sayle yeah

00:27:09.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And it's they're they're they're feeding on that pain and on that feeling of victimhood to create the most evil.

00:27:09.66 alexei sayle Yeah, well, in the sense, you could say.

00:27:17.02 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And that's the such an ironic, tragic, sad core of it all.

00:27:19.94 alexei sayle I know.

00:27:22.64 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal you know

00:27:22.75 alexei sayle Yeah, it's ah I mean, ultimately, it's that the existence of state of Israel is a victory for the Nazis, because it's saying that the only risk the only response to oppression and murder and genocide is more oppression, murder and genocide.

00:27:36.94 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's the most a blatant example of pitting victims against each other, pitting re repressed people against each other, pitting lower class people against each other.

00:27:49.99 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's like, you know, Arabs have suffered very similar ah prejudice as Jewish people have, and they make create enemies out of each other rather than realizing we have more in common than we don't.

00:28:03.66 alexei sayle Yeah. You're right. You're right there mate.

00:28:08.85 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And then how far do they take it where forgiveness doesn't even become an option anymore. They take it so far that people are born or have experienced things at such a young age that they just have hate and bitterness put in their hearts or are just traumatized from so young.

00:28:27.38 alexei sayle Yeah, I mean, you could, I mean, to, to sort of widen this out in the sense that, that the yes, I know.

00:28:31.11 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I'm spiraling, Alexi help. Yeah.

00:28:35.71 alexei sayle I think the listeners have told you. But, um and I mean, ultimately, this is about capitalism, I think, as all things I believe come back to capitalism, you know, the the the reason for this, you know, let's not forget the reason for the impression of the Palestinians is about oil and it's about arms sale and it's about keeping up with them, keeping a particular um group of people in power and making them rich, making them richer and richer and

00:28:47.49 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:29:13.74 alexei sayle You know, that's, that's ultimately what it's about. It's not just about a kind of random pissing one group of people against another group of people. That is the essence, that you know, divide and conquer is the essence.

00:29:23.69 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That's the tool they use.

00:29:24.75 alexei sayle that Yeah. Yeah. Is the essence of capitalism and it's capitalism that it's capitalism that creates all this, all these problems.

00:29:36.77 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and And the West has always wanted a piece of that land. It's a rich fertile land. It's ah it's a land, or a transitional land between worlds.

00:29:42.83 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:29:45.50 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's a very, it's it's the fucking Silk Road.

00:29:49.08 alexei sayle And it's also, I mean, there's a theory, you know, that obviously that that be by, it's that there was a potential for kind of Arab nationalism, I mean, whether that would have worked or not is another question.

00:29:49.47 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's Mesopotamia.

00:30:00.43 alexei sayle But you know, the reason that I think all those countries are very similar flags is because there was an idea that Syria and Lebanon and Jordan and Egypt and while Iraq was all linked up in one kind of Arab super state.

00:30:14.26 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm.

00:30:16.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, yeah.

00:30:16.79 alexei sayle And certainly yeah Israel, Israel by being this kind of irritant in the middle put an end to that, really.

00:30:25.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Well, yeah.

00:30:25.24 alexei sayle and So it's it's always it's always divided states within the Middle East.

00:30:29.56 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Us Arabs didn't draw those lines, didn't make those borders. That wasn't us.

00:30:33.49 alexei sayle Sykes Pico, man.

00:30:37.07 alexei sayle um Anyway.

00:30:37.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Saxpica Goldman Sachs. Anyways,

00:30:41.94 alexei sayle Of course, we're still snatching young.

00:30:42.57 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um Had an email from Red Tin Dave. He said he lives in Hebden Bridge and listened all the way to the end of last episode.

00:30:51.24 alexei sayle Cool.

00:30:51.50 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal His name's not Jackie though.

00:30:53.68 alexei sayle Now.

00:30:53.92 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Lots of Jackie's though in the comments. Hello Jackie.

00:30:56.51 alexei sayle Yes. It's funny what, yeah, funny what engages people's attention.

00:31:04.60 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I had been having such a laugh at all the comments. um You know what, speaking of, I always fail to bring this up. So 70% of our listenership,

00:31:18.52 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um actually about half our listenership is on YouTube, but in terms of podcast listenership, 70% of it is on Apple podcasts, unfortunately.

00:31:30.40 alexei sayle Mmhmm.

00:31:32.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um And I read that and thought, oh yeah, Apple. And I went and looked at our reviews on the Apple Podcast app.

00:31:43.81 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um Reviewing and rating our, show if you're listening to this on Apple Podcasts, if you go to our page on Apple Podcasts, you can scroll down and give us a five star rating. And if you wanna go the extra step, you can even type a little review, even if it's one sentence.

00:32:02.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And that really helps the reach of our show. It helps the algorithm and it helps people find our show. If you just give it that five stars or you give it a rev review.

00:32:13.30 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah We've had 464 ratings on Apple podcasts.

00:32:19.12 alexei sayle Sounds like that, but they they could.

00:32:21.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal you Vastly ah five stars. Well, it's a total of 4.8 out of five stars. It's better than my Uber rating. Um, our most recent one, our most recent one, Alexei chats, there's someone's written a summary of our show for us.

00:32:39.08 alexei sayle There.

00:32:40.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Alexei chats about his work in his life while offering occasional insights on the state of the world. He interviews interesting guests. Once a month or so, he has an Alexei Sel film club episode where he talks about his favorite films.

00:32:56.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It has quickly become one of my favorite podcasts. Nicely written there.

00:33:01.87 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:33:02.09 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um That was George, the bass, one of the best places to get an unbiased view of current news with a bit of silliness. Keep on keeping on Alexei.

00:33:12.40 alexei sayle That was good. i have I didn't know the word.

00:33:16.73 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal There's so many. The Jones wrote, time and again, Alexis Sale provides a true left-wing compass to guide us through these horrible times, a real people's treasure.

00:33:17.74 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:33:26.85 alexei sayle no i agree with you there it's funny looking at the comments on youtube it's really interesting because they're always positive until round about thursday when sort of the right wing nutters it's really kind of bizarre you can sort of time it almost you traitors you know or capital letters and weird fucking emojis you know ah but they don't really get round to it i don't know what they're busy

00:33:37.93 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, yeah.

00:33:52.88 alexei sayle you know, I know what they're busy doing during the earlier part of the week, but roundabout, it's usually like, there's only one or two, it's usually one or two right wing lunatics tunes in like on Thursday, it's really like...

00:33:53.84 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, they got.

00:34:03.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, jumping late in the party.

00:34:06.75 alexei sayle it and Really?

00:34:09.49 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's fun, isn't it? They called you a fascist this week. Well, that was fun. um

00:34:17.72 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah in a world that's become unfathomably cruel and stupid. It's such a relief sometimes to spend 90 minutes or so, that's a long episode, with kind, funny polymath.

00:34:28.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Alexei Sayle understands politics to its very core, but still loves humanity. More of this sort of thing. Love you, Talana, Alexei. My only complaint

00:34:36.44 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:34:38.28 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal is that the interruptions from Wilf the Cat are not loud enough. Speaking of complaint, I had a really nice email from someone, who but very politely mentioned that my mic is always louder than yours.

00:34:49.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That is not intentional.

00:34:50.46 alexei sayle Is it? Is it?

00:34:51.97 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I don't i didn't catch that.

00:34:52.16 alexei sayle Oh, yeah.

00:34:53.21 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Otherwise I would't i would have addressed that balance, but maybe as the editor, I don't notice it because it's my own voice.

00:34:54.09 alexei sayle It's all about Eve. Yeah.

00:35:01.11 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Maybe there's something psychological going on there, but oh. Those have all been five-star reviews. they I've just found a one-star review, which is... sail in arrelevant dulllo apparently feels the need to revel in the divorce of television television writers who don't subscribe to his idiotic dull-witted parroting of woke ideology

00:35:25.49 alexei sayle That's a great linehan support, isn't it?

00:35:27.81 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Probably a podcast for Dreary Fools.

00:35:28.80 alexei sayle I suspect.

00:35:31.25 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That's a fun name for our listeners. Dreary Fools. um Okay. that That's funny.

00:35:37.00 alexei sayle Yeah, that's you enough of that.

00:35:37.80 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That's the one, one star one I could find, but keep that.

00:35:39.36 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:35:40.69 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Mate, I want to see some more in the next week. I want to see five new five star reviews in our Apple podcast page. It would mean a great deal.

00:35:49.35 alexei sayle Yeah, let's let's get this algorithm flying.

00:35:49.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah

00:35:53.16 alexei sayle Let's get let's get to try and get the word out there to more people, really.

00:35:57.06 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Please.

00:35:57.55 alexei sayle I've become semi-focused on this. And, you know, I've been occasionally semi-focused on um making this podcast more more available.

00:36:00.92 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yes, I imagine you in the dark.

00:36:09.09 alexei sayle Let's challenge Alistair Campbell and his shithead sidekick.

00:36:17.69 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and i I have an email that I wouldn't mind reading you. Someone asking for advice, Alexei.

00:36:28.25 alexei sayle Oh, yeah, I can do that. I can be an agony aren't as well as all the other strings to my bow.

00:36:32.79 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Okay.

00:36:34.95 alexei sayle Well, probably bent.

00:36:36.84 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal This is from Poppy.

00:36:38.53 alexei sayle Okay.

00:36:39.00 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hello, Poppy.

00:36:41.71 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hi, Alexei and Talal. I absolutely love the podcast and your careers in comedy. I think that's more lean towards you than me.

00:36:50.57 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:36:51.11 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah Unless she was at the Musical Comedy Awards 2022, where I came second place out of the whole country of musical comedians.

00:37:01.72 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I want Oh, airplane mode. My phone's buzzing. Okay.

00:37:08.59 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Let's wait for that to stop. Well, that might be your end actually. No, it's me.

00:37:11.72 alexei sayle no i did

00:37:12.65 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's me. It's me.

00:37:12.97 alexei sayle ah

00:37:15.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I wanted to email as someone struggling to figure out what the right thing to do is. Basically, I am a stick. I am a skinhead and a very politically charged one at that.

00:37:26.73 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Due to my appearance, whether it be because I'm non-conforming i'm a non-conforming woman, or because of the misinformation and bastardization the skinhead scene has faced by the alt-right, I get a lot of crap from people assuming I'm a fascist.

00:37:33.73 alexei sayle No, I did.

00:37:42.50 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I've been doing the best I can to support Palestine during the suffering and genocide it's currently going through, and as a skint young adult who wants to make films, it's difficult. My question is, do you think I'm doing the right thing to avoid being involved in protests and marches due to my look, not wanting the media or Zionists to paint the movement as anti-Semitic? Oh, I see. I felt a tremendous guilt for not being physically present during these, but I fear I'll do more harm than good. Or am I overthinking it? Thanks for your work being generally funny. Stay sharp.

00:38:21.42 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal S-H-A-R-P. There's a joke there she's making, but I don't get it. P.S., it would be great if you spoke about the roots of skinhead culture. Someone's asked us to do that before. I think we're not as informed as people think, but if we ever want to do a skinhead episode, maybe we'll bring a skinheaded guest on or something.

00:38:34.45 alexei sayle No, we could, do we could become informed, you know, a bit. I understand that Poppy's feelings, really, that I would say that, you know, I mean, my, you know, my um general information and my general opinion, it's like when, you know,

00:39:01.95 alexei sayle um you know, those who support Israel or whatever, they go, oh, we can't, you know, we can't, we can't like stop killing babies because that would mean that, you know, there would be a victory around us and we'd be, you know, we'd be all matters in our beds within three minutes.

00:39:18.28 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hm.

00:39:18.88 alexei sayle And I was just thinking, when people say things like that, why don't you try it? You know, you've got the most, I mean, it's just not about Israel, but you've got the most powerful military in there. Certainly in the region, probably one of the most powerful military regions, but why don't you just give it a fucking go? Not being a bastard. So in a similar vein, but obviously like less aggressively, I would say to pop you, give it a go, give it a try. There are, I mean, one of the wonderful things about the um that the the demonstrations in London, one of the really hot moving things,

00:39:51.95 alexei sayle is the diversity of people, you know, you've got gay and trans, you know, people, Arab people, all these wonderful young Arabic and Pakistani boys and girls and old elderly Jews and young Jews. and Jeremy Corbyn and teachers, you know, a lot of dogs, a lot of dogs, a lot of nice dogs, a lot of nice bicycles that I doubt that really that you would, you know, I mean, people are incredibly welcoming, really.

00:40:11.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And teachers, doctors, all the different jobs that show up.

00:40:28.27 alexei sayle And, you know, looking slightly different to the mainstream would knock up, I certainly don't want them. I mean, go with them.

00:40:38.88 alexei sayle go with a friend. ah wouldnt go I mean occasionally I've walked by myself and I feel a little bit ridiculous. I feel like Billy No-Mates when i've gone and I'm marching by myself really, so I'd take a friend if you go. A similar, you know, appearance really, but I'd give it a go if it doesn't if it doesn't work for you then.

00:41:01.01 alexei sayle then, you know, don't go again. But I think that, I mean, that also the, you know, the media and the scientists make, you know, tell such lies about the, about the, the, the, the, the, the marches, the demonstrations anyway, that,

00:41:22.22 alexei sayle you know, that that yeah wouldn't matter really, what difference would it make really?

00:41:24.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal What difference would it make?

00:41:26.33 alexei sayle But I'd just say with anything really, you know, it's a who was it? that was yet how was I can't remember who it was you said, one of the wits from the Bloomsbury group said, you know, try everything except folk dancing and incest.

00:41:39.74 alexei sayle I mean, I think that um

00:41:44.98 alexei sayle You know, I would give it a go really would be I'd go I would go you'd feel I think you feel better. I think you feel moved to go on a demonstration. Poppy but I understand the I understand your feelings. Why you haven't but ah it I would I said, give it a try.

00:42:03.77 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I would, ah to add anything, if you don't mind, Alexei, I wouldn't discourage you from going alone if you don't have friends who want to go with you or can't go with you that day.

00:42:14.40 alexei sayle Yeah, you make friends.

00:42:14.95 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah you You yourself, Alexei, have told me that when you go on your own to the march, so you contradict yourself sometimes, because you've told me that sometimes you find it quite meditative and and you you march on your own and you you you sit in your thoughts and it helps you process everything and you feel quite profound about it.

00:42:32.26 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal is that not

00:42:33.61 alexei sayle ah Yes, well I, you know.

00:42:35.39 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I guess if you're scared, oh ah then maybe it's a good idea to go with a friend the first time or something.

00:42:44.01 alexei sayle ah yeah or you know Yeah, I'm a complicated guy.

00:42:49.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You are.

00:42:49.77 alexei sayle ah

00:42:50.44 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But the other thing i would add is alexsi kind of the other thing I would add is Alexi kind of pointed at it there in his answer.

00:42:51.13 alexei sayle ah have Sometimes I feel one way, sometimes I feel another. you know

00:42:59.02 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um

00:43:01.79 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal is a lot of this ah lying that occurs about the marches, about it being a not safe place for Jewish people, um come boils down to anti-Arab, anti-Islamic racism. ah The assumption is it's a Muslim march.

00:43:18.91 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:43:19.71 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal therefore but you know Muslims hate Jews therefore it's an anti-Jewish march you know and people assume that if someone is Muslim they hate Jews this is a Muslim march that it's an anti-Jewish march and that's where do you agree this is where this kind of lie that's how they justify that lie or that's where they're

00:43:37.61 alexei sayle Well, it's one of many, I mean, hate marches, it's, you know, they have a whole, it's pretty limited, but they have a whole kind of a hurry of false accusations.

00:43:48.51 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And yet,

00:43:48.61 alexei sayle They're all entirely lies.

00:43:50.87 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and yet the um Muslims and Arabs show up in in their droves to these marches because of course they actually have a more personal connection to the situation.

00:44:00.99 alexei sayle yeah That's the Jews, you know, the Jewish block is over a thousand strong.

00:44:02.73 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh yeah, yes. But that doesn't stop the Muslims from going to the march. Oh, they're gonna think we're anti-Semitic. They're like, give a fuck. There's a cause.

00:44:12.00 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:44:12.98 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal We're going to speak out about this cause. and they are representing themselves.

00:44:15.90 alexei sayle It was atomic.

00:44:17.90 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and And a big part of my ethos in life is representation and just just existing as who you are and doing what you do is important, especially if it goes against what people believe, um the stereotypes of of who you are.

00:44:32.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So like, if you go there as a skinhead and represent skinheads, you might be the tiny drop, or or if you make, you know, you might be a tiny drop in the waves that slowly change the stereotypes and understandings of what a skinhead is.

00:44:47.71 alexei sayle You never know.

00:44:50.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So go and represent your skinheads.

00:44:52.93 alexei sayle So Thomas Beecham who said that, try everything once apart from folk dancing and incest, which is good advice, I think.

00:44:59.92 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's really good advice.

00:45:01.11 alexei sayle So sit Thomas Beecham, of course, was an inheritor of the Beecham, I don't know if you still get them now, if it had been taken over by Lemsip, but Beecham's Powders were the, yeah, he was heir to the Beecham's Powders fortune.

00:45:11.51 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No way. Yeah, you still get them.

00:45:16.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal the beach in fortune.

00:45:17.80 alexei sayle And it's his, no, I think, yeah, it's an anecdote. he probably This is ah a well-known anecdote, but probably a lot of my listeners have heard it. So Thomas Beecham is in a department store, let's say, Harrods. And he sees a woman who he recognizes, and he knows, he knows. And she comes to him and says, oh, hello. And Thomas Beecham says to her, oh, hello. He says, oh, is your husband still doing, you know, that thing? Yeah, he doesn't, look because he's a bit vague. He's trying to kind of fetch you as she is. He says, he says, is your husband still doing that thing that he does? And the woman replies, yes, he's still the king.

00:46:00.43 alexei sayle That's a true story. So there's two, there's two Thomas Beecham anecdotes right there. That's a great.

00:46:07.09 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That's fantastic.

00:46:07.42 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah. He's still the king.

00:46:10.59 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, some old I'll be there.

00:46:11.14 alexei sayle Yeah. Still the fucking king. He's still the fucking king, right?

00:46:14.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah Edward, um Eddie, I'm pursuing.

00:46:15.08 alexei sayle What the fuck? What the fuck is he's going on about? Um, so there's a, an object lesson in vaguely meeting people.

00:46:25.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I watched a movie last night called Civil War from last year.

00:46:25.80 alexei sayle Shall we go on? Yes.

00:46:29.96 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You watched it?

00:46:30.31 alexei sayle I rather like it. Yeah. Alex Garland, isn't it?

00:46:33.13 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yes.

00:46:33.55 alexei sayle Yeah. Interesting, in interesting in shooting style. And um I watched a film of a very similar kind of, I don't know when it was from very similar kind of aesthetic, which is called Bushwick, which was a Dave Bautista and ah who, and I can't remember who the,

00:46:59.12 alexei sayle Brittany Snow, which is sort of a slightly similar in a way about, it's sort of about a kind of a civil war in the United States. um Yeah, it's very, it's rather gripping and it's, it's all shot as a single developing master as it were.

00:47:07.07 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That's from 2017, that one.

00:47:15.10 alexei sayle So there's no, you can, if you know that, but you can see where the the cuts are, but you you know, it's essentially, it starts when it starts.

00:47:21.74 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal What? The whole thing is a one taker. Oh, that's wild.

00:47:24.73 alexei sayle Yeah, but it appears to be. I mean, occasionally it goes away to other people, but yeah, it's essentially, it's a single take.

00:47:27.18 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:47:30.93 alexei sayle I mean, it isn't, but um you know, it's ah interesting. But yeah, so I think it's an interesting movie. ah Yeah, yeah.

00:47:40.07 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Civil War. Yeah, it's wild, man. i

00:47:44.09 alexei sayle I mean, it's a bit, it's a bit pat the point that they're making about the kind of, um about journalism and the voyeuristic aspect of of war journalism.

00:47:56.06 alexei sayle you know i think I think it's a bit simplistic, that point that they make.

00:47:56.74 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:48:00.97 alexei sayle But yeah, interesting interesting movie. I would recommend it. I would give it four stars.

00:48:08.81 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That's what the, ah yeah, the movie, it was sold as this idea. The movie is about an American civil war. But that's really just the backdrop. It was just, the movie is about about furive war photojournalism more than the war itself.

00:48:22.03 alexei sayle o Great term. Of course, it's Kirsten Dunst. One of the people who I, you know, you like you sort of, I think, follow one of the people who I've, whose careers I've followed.

00:48:32.54 alexei sayle Well, both is Jesse Plemons, which Kirsten Dunst, his husband, and he played it.

00:48:35.27 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal He's brilliant.

00:48:38.11 alexei sayle We first, one one first became aware of him as in Breaking Bad as the psychotic, um psychotic teenager.

00:48:48.29 alexei sayle oh I can't remember his name now, but. wonderful character in Breaking Bad. And then he's ah he's one that matters also, I think, likes to put on weight and then take it off again.

00:48:59.90 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal yeah

00:49:00.35 alexei sayle Bit of a fast bender in that respect, which is a pretty unhealthy weight. But anyway, he does that. But he has got a very good cameo in

00:49:08.83 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal yeah civil war yeah

00:49:10.96 alexei sayle in Civil War, yeah. But he's interested, he's done some really interesting work. I think Jesse Plemons is in a film that um won the Oscar, I think, that my friend Tanya Sagachian produced.

00:49:24.84 alexei sayle and And he was, yeah, he's done a lot of interesting work.

00:49:25.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal yeah and he's working with like scorsese and stuff now he's

00:49:32.90 alexei sayle He can do comedy as well, I think. And Kirsten Dunst is also, Fascinating, you know, evolved from kind of child actor to lead.

00:49:43.64 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, I didn't know they were married. They were together in a film called ah Something of the Dog, Power of the Dog.

00:49:45.98 alexei sayle Yep.

00:49:50.22 alexei sayle Yeah, that's what Tanya Shikachi produced. Yeah. um

00:49:54.40 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal He's great in a film called Game Night. If you've never seen it, it's a bit of a, it went under the wire. Like it what didn't, but it's a really funny and clever film.

00:49:59.94 alexei sayle Yeah. It's a funny film. Yeah.

00:50:04.09 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And it's about ah a board game night gone wrong, essentially. And Jesse Plemmons steals the show.

00:50:07.80 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:50:09.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's a fucking weirdo. He plays great weirdos.

00:50:11.68 alexei sayle Yeah. I got a second leg.

00:50:17.33 alexei sayle oh i know Next door. um No.

00:50:20.95 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Is my T-shirt flickering on your screen?

00:50:26.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I think the Zencaster doesn't like the color of my T-shirt.

00:50:29.64 alexei sayle No, it's fine with me.

00:50:30.40 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's flickering on my monitor of the screen, which is, but you're not seeing it.

00:50:34.69 alexei sayle No. Which I suppose talking well we talked about Jesse Plymouth or it's civil war. Yes, you watched it last night.

00:50:40.74 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm.

00:50:41.46 alexei sayle I just brings us I suppose to film club our film club.

00:50:47.77 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yes, that was gonna that was my ah subtle transitional top topic, because you need to pick a movie.

00:50:48.07 alexei sayle nely ah

00:50:51.69 alexei sayle I think, I think a couple of people, well actually, I mentioned, a couple of people mentioned Lindsay Anderson's If, so let's try for that. If it's too difficult to find on the streamers, we may have to go back, but Lindsay Anderson's If. There's a film out called If at the moment, which is some stupid thing about if your imaginary friends existed, but it's not that. Lindsay Anderson's If, I've got some interesting stories about somebody who was in that film who I met quite recently and also with Lindsay Anderson himself I think is an interesting I mean ah again from a bygone age of British culture really so let's say Lindsay Anderson's there for people to find it difficult.

00:51:38.93 alexei sayle Another film now and then I would have I would also say another film which is going back much further is all about Eve which is about a

00:51:39.05 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Right.

00:51:49.06 alexei sayle per I mean probably the it's a black and white film from the 40s or maybe early 50s.

00:51:49.90 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm.

00:51:55.90 alexei sayle First time, first substantial role for Marilyn Monroe, but it's about, as Bessie Davis, it's ah it's a film which is about something in show business that happens over and over again, but this was probably the first time that it was typified on screen.

00:52:14.42 alexei sayle I think it's a George S. Kaufman, Script. ah So let's say if and then let's do that.

00:52:23.43 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal If is available on three places to watch.

00:52:26.81 alexei sayle Are they quite easy places?

00:52:27.82 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um

00:52:30.46 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah. Pretty mainstream places. I don't want to say their poisonous names on our delegate on our precious podcast, but um it seems available.

00:52:32.81 alexei sayle Okay. Yeah.

00:52:37.91 alexei sayle Now.

00:52:40.98 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You can find it.

00:52:41.37 alexei sayle There's also some interesting gun action in there. There's an interesting scene with a 303, a brand gun.

00:52:47.88 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Well, the poster is a big grenade with all these images kind of collaged into it.

00:52:50.78 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah.

00:52:54.45 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Is that the fella from Clockwork Orange?

00:52:57.16 alexei sayle Yes.

00:52:57.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal The main Malcolm, oh yeah, Malcolm McDowell, yeah, of course it is, yeah.

00:52:58.09 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:53:00.81 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:53:01.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um Okay, if 1968, not 2024's if, with Ryan Reynolds, no, it's Malcolm McDowell 1968.

00:53:08.11 alexei sayle Absolutely not. Fuck no.

00:53:13.81 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Although if a couple of you watched the recent if, and then listen to our conversation and see if they line up at all. You've got two weeks, listeners, if I if i have that correct. ah so Yeah, it will be on the podcast coming out on February the 1st, Saturday, February the 1st, we will have the next edition of the Alexa Sal podcast and we'll be discussing 1968s.

00:53:42.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal if dot dot dot dot there's four dots in the title yeah i think yeah that's why it came up yeah

00:53:45.17 alexei sayle Because I talked a bit i think in the last show dots because i type bit last year about having a particularly uncomfortable

00:54:01.09 alexei sayle which' is Rich is fine. just so I think we're nearly done, aren't they? i'm just like My eyes are constantly drawn to your, for those people on Patreon, I'm drawn to your fruit bowl. That is ah is a very healthy looking fruit bowl. Do you eat that fruit?

00:54:18.79 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, we try to eat it. It's normally half moldy by the time we we're eating it.

00:54:23.42 alexei sayle Right, yeah.

00:54:23.71 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal but um i If you're on the Patreon, patreon dot.com forward slash alexisailpodcast, sorry, you're giving me an opportunity to plug it, so I'm going to plug it.

00:54:26.06 alexei sayle It's like ah it's like a

00:54:31.14 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:54:31.85 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Patreon dot.com forward slash alexisailpodcast is where you can go and and financially support the show.

00:54:35.59 alexei sayle Have a look at Talal's fruit bowl. It's impressive.

00:54:40.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal if you If you subscribe to the podcast or pay a one off fee, you can watch video editions of these episodes. And yeah, It makes my flat look huge, by the way, the Zen caster.

00:54:49.67 alexei sayle The fruit bowl. Oh no, is it?

00:54:51.91 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It makes my flat look huge. It makes it look like that wall is miles away from me.

00:54:53.77 alexei sayle All right.

00:54:56.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and but ah But yeah, I was at my mom's lot.

00:54:56.99 alexei sayle One of my hobbies.

00:54:58.90 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Sorry, just to answer.

00:54:59.84 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:55:00.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I visited my mom yesterday and she sent me home with a bag of fruit, which I've piled on in there.

00:55:03.91 alexei sayle Oh, okay.

00:55:05.95 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So you reminded me, I need to eat some.

00:55:06.43 alexei sayle That's really nice. It looks like a, it looks like a, you know, a painting from the, the great, the high point of the Flemish Renaissance.

00:55:08.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Have your vitamins darling, come on.

00:55:19.81 alexei sayle Oh, that'd be nice.

00:55:20.95 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I might make a smoothie.

00:55:25.95 alexei sayle ah One of my hobbies, one of my bizarre was, well, Linda is looking at flats for sale. that we're never going to buy.

00:55:35.20 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal yeah

00:55:35.51 alexei sayle But always there's ah in every flat for sale in our price bracket is there's always several electric guitars on stands like your guitar there. There's a room. You know, with I think that's when people, I don't know whether any of them have ever been played, but there's always, I don't know i don't think there's anything in the stand-up he was, I'm obviously trying it on, but there's always a couple of like, I'm not good on guitars, but Fender, look like Fender Stratocasters or whatever, um kind of stands in in like what is presumably the husband's office room, yeah.

00:56:04.77 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Mm-hmm. That's a guitar.

00:56:11.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Sexist. Well, it's nice to imagine a flat you're moving into was a place of art, of music, belonged to a creative person.

00:56:18.48 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:56:22.12 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But like you said, it is quite likely to just be decorative. Mine isn't. Mine gets quite a lot of use.

00:56:26.68 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah. yeah

00:56:29.27 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um Yeah, I kicked with it last week. um I've been getting back into improv comedy, which I know is poisonous words to you.

00:56:37.43 alexei sayle Cheers.

00:56:40.42 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um But I used to do it years ago before I started stand up and I kind of left that scene when I got into stand up comedy about seven, eight years ago.

00:56:52.22 alexei sayle All right.

00:56:52.90 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And also when I just got sick of it, because everyone's so nice in improv. Everyone's very nice to each other.

00:56:57.69 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:56:59.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal However, like a few months ago, I got a message out of the blue from someone from my previous life and they were creating the first ever British improv team made up of Middle Eastern performers.

00:57:08.70 alexei sayle All right.

00:57:14.05 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So I'm just going to plug it real quick. We're called The Bazaar.

00:57:17.80 alexei sayle Okay.

00:57:18.31 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And you can find us on the social media as The Bazaar Show. um We gig at a place called Hoopla, which is in London Bridge in ah above a pub called The Miller.

00:57:31.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal A lot of names I'm throwing at you here.

00:57:33.02 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:57:33.76 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But if you go to Hoopla Improv or Hoopla Improv, you can find tickets for the next Bazaar Show. We're doing one in February.

00:57:42.17 alexei sayle Very funny episode of Family Guy, it where, um, um, what's the sex best pilot character?

00:57:42.71 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and

00:57:49.47 alexei sayle Um, Quagmire, Quagmire is in a, is in an improv group and he gets, gets the other the guys to, to join him doing improv.

00:57:49.77 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal a quagmire.

00:57:58.59 alexei sayle Very, very funny.

00:58:00.08 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Well, we we do like these like mystical ah fables in the style of like Arabian Nights, Shah Lazard kind of thing. We're doing stuff that no one fucking does and no one would be would dare to do because we're doing like really silly Arabic accents, you know, and it's like a welcome to the bazaar, you know, and we're weaving these long 30 minute narratives.

00:58:07.98 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:58:13.18 alexei sayle Yeah

00:58:20.65 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah So we're doing short plays, essentially.

00:58:20.74 alexei sayle yeah

00:58:24.11 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um that have like a you know moral to the story. And they they always end up involving lots of sex and poop and silly things. but But we tried to include you know these element of the mystic mystic and

00:58:36.16 alexei sayle Well, okay. Well, if listeners, if that's, I just noticed actually that your, yeah, your, um, the Ziggy zaggy lines, they are much bigger on your speech than on mine.

00:58:46.68 alexei sayle So maybe people are right about your microphone being louder than my mind's like hardly I'm aware. I'm hardly disturbed in there.

00:58:53.96 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Well, I use a mic properly, i'm I'm really close to it. My mic is, if if you do that with your hand, extend your pinky and thumb, your mouth and mic should be that that distance away from each other.

00:58:57.16 alexei sayle All right. Yeah.

00:59:01.05 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:59:05.82 alexei sayle Alright, I'm being very unprofessed and I'm miles away.

00:59:08.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And that's that's how...

00:59:09.42 alexei sayle ah I'm partly doing this to stop you talking about improv.

00:59:13.51 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I'm

00:59:15.60 alexei sayle Well, that sounds fantastic.

00:59:16.64 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal very proud, we're the first fucking Middle Easterners to be doing it.

00:59:18.20 alexei sayle Yeah, go for it. If that's the sort of thing you like, then you'll like that sort of thing that Talal's doing and I'd urge you to go along to the miller above the people are above the Miller in London Bridge.

00:59:31.37 alexei sayle She tells Arabic improv group that bizarre they go I see I do remember how I am listening.

00:59:37.59 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Thanks, Alex. You remembered everything I said. That was very touching.

00:59:40.17 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah.

00:59:42.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Thank you very much. All right, I'm done talking about it.

00:59:44.32 alexei sayle hit All right, we done for today.

00:59:47.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um Are we done? I'm going to check my list of topics. Oh, um respect and love to Tony Slattery's family.

00:59:51.35 alexei sayle We haven't really

00:59:55.18 alexei sayle Yeah, i mean maybe we'll talk about that next time. I are felt so i mean do i mean ah so complicated really. It was funny Tony Slattery, because he was part of that Oxford.

01:00:07.21 alexei sayle He went to Oxford at the same time as that lot, like I think Angus and Rowan and Richard Curtis and Stephen Fry, find but they were came.

01:00:15.02 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal fry... whatever.

01:00:19.31 alexei sayle and But yeah, that sort of generation, and and and they certainly do. They they like they looked after him. you know he got They gave him a lot of work. He had his own sitcom and stuff like that. They look after each other, but he was on like all the rest of them in charge. He was working class. And i wonder i mean it's a I wonder whether that was part of his problems, really, that he was found himself with you know it's a it's a complicated idea I always thought about if you were working class and you went to Oxford and it probably it doesn't matter with something but that the that what you had the Oxford is a kind of gateway to um

01:01:08.57 alexei sayle ruling classness, their ruling class. And so you have to, I think you have to throw off your working class nature, you have to be accepted by it.

01:01:20.68 alexei sayle and And there are people who don't. I mean, something like Frank Cottrell Boyce, I think, went to Oxford and didn't, you know, he's very much himself. But, um you know, you it was a sort of, you know what I'm saying?

01:01:31.01 alexei sayle You had to you had to give up your working in classness, your class identity in a way, if you wanted to be

01:01:34.48 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm Yeah to conform with the

01:01:38.64 alexei sayle And I don't know, I didn't know him well, but I wonder whether that was, that that friction there between him being the sole kind of working class member of that crowd wasn't part of his problems with alcohol, you know?

01:01:53.68 alexei sayle I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe I'm putting my own, you know, my own i am prejudices there.

01:01:57.31 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But in terms of what he's...

01:02:00.14 alexei sayle He seemed to, I mean, he was he always had seen for a long time to be a very tragic figure.

01:02:08.79 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That may be so, but in terms of what he's given us as a performer, he was a very funny guy.

01:02:12.05 alexei sayle Did a lot of improv, of course. Yeah.

01:02:15.98 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And... ah Yes, he did. And my introduction to modern comedy was whose lines anyway, when I was five, six years old, my dad would let me stay up and watch that.

01:02:27.56 alexei sayle Right.

01:02:28.00 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um The other things we would watch together, my introduction to comedy were old things like, you know, Two Ronnies and, you know, Dave, who we mentioned the other day, Dave Allen, Blackadder, all that shit.

01:02:37.65 alexei sayle rather

01:02:41.71 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um But my introduction to modern comedy was whose line? the British one with Clive Anderson and and Tony Slattery.

01:02:47.21 alexei sayle Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:02:51.50 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I loved his frantic. And that's fun. Interesting what you say there, because that might have add been part of that energy had, desperate it felt desperate to impress, you know, but it was, it was unpredictable and raucous frantic energy.

01:03:01.31 alexei sayle you Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:03:08.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Um, but he had the goods to back it up. He was a very funny guy and creative guy, but, and he could keep up with everyone, but it felt like he was, are they going to like me?

01:03:16.27 alexei sayle yeah

01:03:16.85 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Are they going to know? And I didn't realize there was that class difference. Um, but I'm grateful for what he gave me from a young age, the, the laughs he gave me.

01:03:21.30 alexei sayle I've always noticed that about him. I mean, I see, I i mean, obviously I see through things through that lens, but, um, you know, yeah, it's a complex bargain that you make when you, you hang out with those people. I mean, I have myself know, you know, I have friends with some of that crowd. It's, uh, it's complicated.

01:03:42.98 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And do they, do they never want you to be the token working class guy? Like, you know, when I'm hanging out with some white people, that I'll be the token Arab. and And sometimes you ham up the Arabness because they'll like titter away. and Oh, who isn't that to quaint, you know?

01:03:57.84 alexei sayle I don't think so. I mean, they don't, I mean, I've known, you know, the ones that I know I've known for over four years. So I don't, you know, it's just, it's just a friendship, really. I don't think they they find me on settling from time to time.

01:04:09.82 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Okay.

01:04:12.69 alexei sayle But you know, it's, we're all, we're all old now. So it's less, I don't know.

01:04:19.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Okay. Okay. Before we go, listeners, your homework, you've got two weeks to watch. If from 1968, um, you've got 30 seconds to go to patreon dot.com forward slash Alexa podcast and sign up to a tier there and support us.

01:04:33.12 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And also I want to try something with you, Alexi, right before we go. Uh, I don't think I've heard a very biteable, uh, episode title. I normally take it from something we've said during the show so far.

01:04:42.65 alexei sayle No. Yeah.

01:04:46.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal The best is going to be is now ceasefire, um but as an experiment, let's see if this works.

01:04:50.46 alexei sayle Where's your mom?

01:04:53.38 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Just say something and that will be the title of the episode and then we can say goodbye.

01:05:00.04 alexei sayle Frank Steak.

01:05:03.11 alexei sayle I don't think that's going to work, but I think you could, you could, you come up with good titles often.

01:05:10.28 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Okay.

01:05:12.80 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah Okay. Yeah. Fuck that bit. I thought that was, but no, I liked flank steak.

01:05:15.86 alexei sayle Oh yeah, do it, do it, do it. Yeah, go for it. Yeah.

01:05:18.42 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No, no, ah but now ceasefire is actually quite quite good. Actually, I just thought of that one.

01:05:22.77 alexei sayle All right.

01:05:23.21 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um

01:05:26.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah So if it say if I'm going to edit that out, it would be go to alexx to ah podcast on Patreon. And yeah, that's it. That's it. ah No, more nothing else to promote or plug.

01:05:38.57 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Keep the comments coming. Keep the Apple podcast reviews.

01:05:42.29 alexei sayle Yeah, it's Apple podcast. Apple podcast goes to Apple podcast.

01:05:44.52 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I will read more of those.

01:05:45.85 alexei sayle Leave a review.

01:05:45.99 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I'll read one or two of them in the next, whichever comes up in the next week.

01:05:46.57 alexei sayle Yeah.

01:05:50.14 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal We'll read them out on the next episode.

01:05:51.13 alexei sayle You get a prize or something.

01:05:53.05 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal The prize.

01:05:54.43 alexei sayle Well, maybe ah you could do that.

01:05:54.72 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I still have a Lego Alexi to give away. So there you go. Our favorite review. I'll send you an, a Lego Alexi.

01:06:00.45 alexei sayle Yeah.

01:06:04.08 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Sound good.

01:06:04.11 alexei sayle Cool. Yeah. Sounds good to me.

01:06:06.15 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Okay. Listen out next week. If I say your review is the winner, we'll do the details next week.

01:06:12.26 alexei sayle All right. Bye-bye.

01:06:17.58 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Perfect.