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Mountain State Mysteries contains adult content that may not be suitable for all audiences.

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Listener discretion is advised. I'm your host Mark and I'm Courtney and this is Mountain State Mysteries.

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The Case or I guess we should say cases we have for you today is actually every single case

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from season two that we've covered. We wanted to take some time out of our day and kind of gear up

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for season three by just doing a look back on all of our previous episodes in season two of

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Mountain State Mysteries. So I think it's kind of safe to say for Courtney and I the best part of

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doing this is getting to be the voices for the victims and their families because a lot of the

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time they don't get to have a voice in this because the media kind of just forgets about them

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and it kind of drives me crazy that that happens but it's while we're here we're getting to be

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their voices. And one thing I can say for certain about this is if you don't have money

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you don't get that much exposure or if it's not something massive or something of that nature

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you're not going to get exposure and I feel a lot of these people don't get the justice that they

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deserve or the exposure that they deserve so. I think it's safe to say Courtney and I never thought

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we would be where we are today with season two so I mean we're gearing up for season three right

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now and in all honesty we just want to say thank you from the bottom of our hearts for

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following, downloading, listening, giving us feedback on all of our episodes so far.

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So the case that started off season two of Mountain State Mysteries was the case of Angela

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Shreese-Wynne Stevens. Shreese-Wynne missing on October 1st 1993 from Bolt West Virginia.

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Only thing I can say about this case is if anybody out there has information on this case

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and you're not coming forward with it then shame on you because this girl's family and friends

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have been almost 31 years wanting information and I know that there's somebody out there in this area

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or nearby areas that know what happened to Shreese and where she is exactly located at

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and if you have that information you need to come forth. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Now one thing that happened is we honestly had no idea that we know people who like grew up with

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Shreese and know Shreese so we got talking to them and one girl Courtney and I both work with

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she was you know telling me about the case and you know how it really like impacted her her

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family because they were family friends with the Gwends and she said that is one case that she

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like wishes could get solved today and we have both heard certain stories that we're not going to

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say because we aren't sure like how true they are but there are people out there who know

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something about this case and it's just time that it comes clean and just give the justice for

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Shreese and her family. Now I don't remember if we talked about this in the episode because

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it's been a while I don't know if we talked about this in the case or not. I want to say we did but

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don't remember about the helicopter. No we didn't. Courtney and I I forget what the original first

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episode was going to be was it Margie Dodd? No it was always going to be Shreese. It was definitely

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always going to be Shreese for Season R Ipner. And Season R Ipner. Season our Season Ipner

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was always going to be Shreese. I think what like solidified it was us seeing the helicopter fly

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around town and being told that it was over a certain area for like two days in a row.

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And if you're from our area then you'll know exactly what we're talking about. Oh yeah so

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we have heard that there was a tip recently put in and that's why they were you know in the

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helicopter so we aren't sure how far that tip went what all happened what not. We also want to say

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thank you to our little source that told us where her car was where the impound lot was because we

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weren't sure in all honesty where it was in the beginning we thought it might have been in Charleston

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but then we found out it was right here in Beckley and her car has been searched through it has

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I mean it hasn't moved in years because there's rust all over it but her car was searched like

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it has been searched thoroughly but I feel since it was sold like the second it just magically appeared

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at UPS it's been wiped clean and stuff I just I don't that is just such a crazy story. You know 100%

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that car was searched and it was cleaned out and all traces of it evidence was wiped away. Yeah and

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I'm not sure if we can say if this case will ever be solved I want it to be. I pray to God

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that this case gets solved but I feel like it will take certain people to talk to get this case

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covered. Oh absolutely and again if you have information you need to come forth.

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Any information will help anything will help come forth.

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The second case we covered was the Hood Family Massacre that occurred on October 31st,

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1909 in Beckley, West Virginia. This case which I actually found out where it was located at.

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The house was oh my god I'm drawing blank. I want to say it's like where the policemen's pool was

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so it like wasn't near the church but it was like right around the area of the policemen's pool.

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Oh that's a little bit of a hike to get to that church. Absolutely. You don't think the church

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could have been moved? No from what I've read the church that was originally there they rebuilt

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where it was. Okay so I mean yeah I mean that's a pretty good little distance. Yeah I mean for

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back in that day I mean it's like five minutes like by car now if not even five minutes it's

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really just up the road but I mean that's still I mean oh wait no no no no no it wasn't um where

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the policemen's pool was it's where Mickey's was. It's still a pretty good hike. Yeah it was like

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where Mickey's was and whatever that like strip mall is I think it's like a gambling place now.

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Oh yeah get all shy and yeah it's um it was right there and I mean that is a trek I mean.

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That is I mean from there to Mount Tabor walking. Were there cars invented then?

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like a luxury for a lot of people. I feel stupid asking that but because then I answer my own

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question saying yeah but um we have visited this grave multiple times and it's honestly like so sad

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seeing like all of the names of everyone because all four of the members of the Hood family are

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in one grave basically and and they're immediate family members are buried right next to Amos.

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we do tend to take a break from podcasting from researching from writing from going on location

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to just visit graveyards. And in all honesty we actually learned a lot when we go visit these

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graveyards um a little interesting tidbit about where the Hood family is buried is there is actually

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a grave right behind it. The grave. That has um a member of the KKK buried directly behind them.

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And we can say the grave has been defaced multiple times not by us. It has been

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been vandalized um his wife is buried right next to him and things of that nature there's that.

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The only thing we've done to the grave is blurred out in pictures because yes because we're not

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going to recognize nothing of that nature. No um other things that we have seen um the beautiful

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headstone of the infant that is buried there and her name I believe I want to say her name was Pearl.

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Yes Pearl. And she's in the seashell. Yeah they have her um headstone. In the clamshell.

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Is there anything else we want to talk about this case? I really wish we had more information on this

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case. This was actually a really difficult case to cover because where it was so old. It's our

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oldest case we've ever covered right. I want to say yes. Yeah I mean early 1900s. 1909. Yeah I mean

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this case is well over a hundred years old. And it's really not that talked about in town. It's

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really not there's not a whole lot of information online about it anything of that nature um but

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it's I'm going to consider it one of the oldest and soft ones that Doria's.

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So after this I was actually on vacation and I took my podcast equipment because I'm like

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there's going to be something happen. I know there's going to be an update on it. In case you

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can ask Courtney I'm like should I take my equipment in case there's an update. I like do it really

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quick and like just upload because I don't want anything to go for so long and there not be an

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update. And I literally said no don't do that. Enjoy your vacation. And on day two there was an update

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that I needed to bring you guys. It was an update on the case of Judy Petty which

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if you know anything about the case of Judy Petty she was found basically in a house fire dead

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on her parents farm in Parkersburg and her murderer has still not been found. There has been new

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suspects so sadly you know there hasn't really been any new updates in Judy's case that I have

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seen since you know I released this episode and you know I hate to end you know this kind of

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look back on this sad note but Judy's father actually passed away last week the you know week

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before we are the week before we are recording this so you know I really feel for her family right

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now because they have lost two people and you know our sympathy definitely goes out to the Petty

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family and you know we really hope that he finally knows what happened to Judy and that he's reunited

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with her. Awesome prayers to this family.

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The third case we covered was the murderer of a matriarch Juliet Buffington Enzlo who was

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murdered on October 16th 1936. I think it's safe to say we can both say who murdered her.

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Damn straight. And it was her son I forget his name but it was her son. Mm-hmm he was definitely

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addicted. Yeah I forget what medicine was he on. It was a pain pill. Yeah it was like a. I don't

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necessarily know if it was morphine. It was morphine yeah. Um but. It sounds right I could be

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totally wrong I have a history being wrong but I feel like it was morphine. Yeah it was out there

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he was definitely addicted and absolutely he just he done it I mean that's just all there is to it.

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Charles that's his name it's Charles Charles it was in my notes and I just did not look down

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but yeah I think he just did it for like a quick buck and accesses pills. Absolutely. Which this is

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a spoiler for season three of Mountain State Mysteries we are actually covering Juliet's first cousin

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who is named after her so that's a little hint for season three that's all you get

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it's just a little hint. It's almost like a curse. Yeah that that family I mean my god that family I

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can just say this the family of the Juliet's like it I feel for them because I'm not sure if any of

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them are still around I want to say possibly great grandchildren are maybe grandchildren

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for some of them but um yeah it's just like a very sad story.

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The fourth case we covered was the missing bank teller the disappearance of Margaret Margie Dodd

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who disappeared from Beaver West Virginia September 7th 1977.

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Sadly there are no new updates other than I feel like we said this in the episode that there are

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new leads brought in because someone thinks that someone related to them had something to do with

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the case. Did we say that? I can't read. It sounds right it sounds good. They thought Margie's body

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was James Lee Haynes body in the beginning until they kind of paid more attention to it and they saw

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that um there was like female belongings with it and it is crazy but the guy who actually found her

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they arrested him because he was crossing over into Wyoming County to hunt I want to say it

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might have been bow season and he couldn't hunt in Raleigh County so he had to go into Wyoming

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County to hunt and to be honest I don't even think he spent a night in jail it was probably a few

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hours maybe a night and they're like you found this body you're good to go your record has been

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wiped clean you're free and what's so crazy about this one too is for the fact of how they did not

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want to run DNA on her oh yeah no they wanted to run it on every single other everybody else every

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other person but not Margie no like it's just so it frustrates me yeah it frustrates me too because

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I'm like this case could have been solved back in like 93 instead of oh god what year was it I thank

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you for 96 before they ran her DNA no it was like 2017 I think when Google that I want to say it was

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2017 when they like finally had her husband come in and look this this episode might be

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chaotic we might have to redo it she was identified July 2017 and she was discovered November 24th

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1993 23 years yeah so like they let her remains and her belong they hold on they actually lost

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her belongings so her husband had to come in and just look at a picture and he knew in three seconds

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that it was Margie and I don't know if I've told you this but my uncle Bill actually like met Margie

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because where he used to work he had to take like the money from like the shift or whatever to that

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bank and Margie would wait on him all the time he said she was the nicest woman ever and also

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another thing about this case we made the drop oh yeah like it's not changed it hasn't changed

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that timeline makes no sense yeah there is no way in the world that nobody around

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could have seen or not gave a better description yeah which I don't know if the houses were behind

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the emico station even at that are their houses behind the emico station today yes okay I know

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they've tore some down in there but I can see like where she's parked it where like wherever she

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would have been parked it could have been hard but still I feel like there should have been more seen

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in all honesty I don't know why but I just get a feeling there was a flight that was put up

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oh uh they said she was screaming and one and I'm here to tell you right now even with the area

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that that wasn't yet I mean it's a high traffic area even today heard a blood curdling scream

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you're going to step out and you're going to investigate I mean I would do that today no

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matter where I am well depending on the area I'm in and I mean I'm not sure then but I mean even

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like we have been in beaver around the time where she was abducted and there's cars everywhere

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absolutely so there is always traffic going through there always I feel somebody more could

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have seen the information and I'm here to tell you right now if you were around in that time period

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and you happen to remember this case and you were driving through beaver that day you should

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definitely come up and just say some forward come forward this is the point to where it's so

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ridiculous if this was one of your loved ones you would want anybody with any information

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to give it and this is no different I don't know I wish they could have found her purse I'm not sure

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if it was with her if it was just disposed somewhere else but I do know one of the psychic said and

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like I fully believe all of these psychic seeing the Margie because I mean they all kind of had

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the same story so and like they were from different locations I mean they didn't know each other but

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they a few of them said that Margie's purse like everything fell out and they like hurried up and

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like scooped it all back in so there could have been DNA on everything in that purse that they

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could have found her absolutely

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the fifth case was the disappearance of the solder children December 24th 1945

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let me start off by saying this was one of the hardest cases not because you know there isn't

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enough information out there because there is so much information and we try to have such a

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normal we try to have every episode the same length in some way shape or form and this episode

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this could have been like a mini series to be quite honest if we want to go in depth it could

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have been a mini series and we can also say to other than Cherise this is one of our most highly

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requested cases oh yeah we've had multiple people come up like literally come up to us and ask us

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yeah when are you covering the solders when are you covering the solders oh my god are you guys

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going to cover the solders and i mean we were on the fence about it it wasn't in the original lineup

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for season two um it was kind of in the little group of episodes like are we going to cover them

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because yeah and finally so many people just yeah done it that we were just like might as well just

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go ahead and do it yeah and i mean right now there's only two cases that we will not touch

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and we won't say what they are but we can both fully agree that we aren't going to touch well three

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yeah there's like three cases we won't cover and um it's not because like we don't believe in them

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we don't want their voices out it's everyone's covered and one of them has been covered so well

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by another podcast that we're like there's just we can't do it no we could not give that

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that entire case the justice it would deserve no and the whole thing with this case is like

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what mark was saying with all the information that was out there oh speaking of all the information

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that's out there i don't know if i told you this but i found out that the veyatt county

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sheriff's department still has the case files on this case it doesn't shock me it does it does me

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because they like to just lose a lot of things in a few there's a lot of things that just magically

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disappear there is so much information out there on this case it made it so hard yeah to piece things

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together yeah for this case to even make sense and i mean as crazy as that sounds like she's not

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wrong i mean this is probably the second longest we've ever spent on an episode it was what two

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months of working on it it was i mean it was to get the timeline correct to get the um research

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and down in charleston where they said that there was a sighting of the children yeah we we ended up

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seeing that there was an author that just came out with a book we got the book we read the book and

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it's a very good book but even that and all the other timelines things just

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didn't make sense yeah but the book did help the most i can say because

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it has stuff from the solder family that is still here and still alive there's like pictures that

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really haven't been released yet and all of this and another thing too with it is like

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when we say this case has been covered so much i mean like the smithsonian wrote articles about

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this yeah there is numerous news stories out there about it local news stories about it

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but so much and even to this day nothing makes sense nothing makes sense and the fact i think

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we can actually agree on what we think the reasoning of all of this was oh absolutely i think it was

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a mafia hit 100 fully believe that 100 percent we actually visited the graves and i thank god for

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our friends castin chaz because if it wasn't for them going out the evening prior before me and

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Courtney ended up in oak hill we would have been searching in the huge graveyard that the solder

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family is in for hours and another thing we discovered too when we went to the cemetery was

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after the children went missing mr and mrs solder had another child who sadly passed away

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and never knew that never knew that until we got the name off of the grave and

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a bunch of them are buried together however there's only one that isn't it was the son

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that was in the military that wasn't able to come home and he was in fayetteville is where he was

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and i think one of the daughters the youngest daughter is buried i want to say maybe st albin's

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is where she's buried oh yeah she's buried with her family yeah so is there one in charleston

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yeah yeah so i mean there's only three that isn't buried together but all the rest of them are buried

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the sixth case we covered was the murder of john eric farley and the disappearance of mazy may

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sygman palmer from july 14 1979 in trove some west virginia yet again another case where nothing

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adds up oh my god this case no sense yeah and there really isn't anything on it there's no some

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articles there's a youtube video um and trying to find photos of the places that they were supposedly

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at yeah oh my it's almost near impossible i mean we have looked at so many photos of downtown charleston

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the area that they were in and south charleston or west side of charleston i mean we looked about

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every old photo that there was and nothing yeah nothing i mean even even googling the name of the

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old nightclub brought nothing which i think it's safe to say this is another case that we can

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clearly say who we think did it and it was the ex-boyfriend i forget his name which i know sounds

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awful because i can literally name someone from like 20 years ago that i met but um it was her

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ex-boyfriend and i fully believe that to this day now what we do wonder is where mazy's body is

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because john's body was found and i'm wondering if there was any dna on him i'm not sure i know

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west virginia really isn't up on the dna system i really want them to get into like the 23 and me um

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codus namus all that stuff but um i know there is a lot of funding in dna and

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this is a shameless plug i do not care to plug this because it's such an amazing organization

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and it honestly is one of the best things anyone could ever do because it funds dna tests and

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then they have got to close a few cases if not a lot like because it takes a while for dna testing

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to get done so if there's any law enforcement out there listening look up season of justice you

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know you can go in say you're a police officer your family you can get dna tested in no time and

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then you know you could solve the case but yeah i'm not sure if there was any dna on john's body or not

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we took a little break in october to do some state haunt episodes i think was it i was busy

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with work so i did not get to do any of the state haunts you got to do the trailer with me and then

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that was pretty much it then you kind of just fell off the earth for a little bit like we

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maybe texted once or twice a day that's how busy you were yeah she was all over the state of west

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virginia then yeah i've been from october to probably last week last week um but i do know

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i did get to help research a little bit on wizard clip um cabin 13 was up at um papcock yeah wizard

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clip sorry i was you know distracted for a second but wizard clip such a crazy story and we both want

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to go to that town because they say that town is like frozen in time yeah and like you can go to the

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area where everything happened i think there's like trails and stuff and there's like statues and

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all that so i would love to take a trip it's just like far up there mm-hmm yeah it's like the case of

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baby christian we really want to go to harper's fairy but it's like so far up there and it's like

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it's honestly hours from us yes so you know we do plan on doing that we do plan on doing that one day

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um cabin 13 crazy story i think we may stay in the cabin this summer with some friends

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so a little fun fact um my mother worked with the guy who murdered his wife there oh yeah um

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my mother um we attended church of god and my mother was always like a camp counselor or she

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done the music um one year she even like worked in the kitchen all this stuff and my mom actually

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worked with the guy who committed the murder and she 100 remembers this guy and she remembers

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his wife she remember his wife being like extremely quiet all that good stuff um but um yeah a little

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the way i was just talking to her about it one day and my mom she just randomly starts bringing

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this stuff up to me and i was like what did i withhold info deb and she was like well you never

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really asked about it i love the deb your mom is like my mom she's a trip and my mom can pull a

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story out yeah i'm nowhere i'm nowhere and it might be something that we're completely talking

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about she'd be like oh yeah i forgot and it was pretty much how it was with this one yeah she was

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like oh yeah i remember him his wife was really quiet a little tiny petite thing everything she was

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like oh yeah i remember yeah and i have been in cabin 13 before and i was so young and it's

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it's kind of weird and creepy how it happened because um i was with my mom all my cousin rachel

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and montana we were just having a day there and right like oh let's go see cabin 13 so we kind of

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just follow her and she like walks down the steps and next thing we know there's this couple walking

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down the steps are like can we help you rachel's like are you staying here they're like um yeah do

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you mind if we go in here and look there was a wife murdered here by her husband they're like

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huh like we fully believe rachel traumatized their little like romantic getaway or their little

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vacation could you imagine though if you're there for a romantic little getaway with your

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spouse and then some random people just show up all by the way um there was a murder here i mean i

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mean i feel like it might have weirded them out i know like me and you we would have been like

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fascinated by them we're like oh my god have you to tell us more yeah um i think they like

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reluctantly let us go in and rachel's like oh i feel something i'm like no she did and me and her

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mom mama just stood outside because she's like i don't want to go in and me and montana were just

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standing there in the doorway like this is as far as we're gonna go and rachel's like i feel something

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which i mean it was a creepy cabin i'm crying but yeah right then at the end of it rachel's like

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have a great night bye i swear i swear like i like i will literally i will call rachel right now

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and she can tell you the story oh my god yeah i think the bed is like upstairs and you might have

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to climb up a ladder or something like that or there's like stairs yeah yeah oh my god or the

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third episode was lake shawnee which it's um crazy how this happened and i don't think i've ever

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told you this story i was you know working and one day i looked up and i saw oh a z-cule bread

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and i'm like oh that would be a great name for the lake shawnee case then when i did research for it

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i'm like oh my god there was actually a guy one of their sons was named z-cule and i made him like

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a ghost like this one and cabin 13 was kind of just full on me tapping into my creativity and like

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telling a story then you know just telling you the actual ghost story and then the fourth and

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final episode for state haunts was the trans-allegating lunatic asylum which in all honesty we could do

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a totally new episode on maybe we will soon who knows but i went there in august because they

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were doing a night tour on my birthday and i'm like might as well ring him you know 28 spooky

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ugly boogalooly so um it was me my mom and my dad and it was honestly kind of like

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miserably hot anytime i have ever been to weston i have frobes so what do i wear a sweat shirt

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and sweatpants in the middle of august the dumbest decision i have ever made in my life

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and i do not like to say my decisions are dumb because at the end of the day i make some good

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decisions this was the dumbest one i've ever made and i literally looked at my mom i'm like

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i wish i put a shirt on under this so i could take it off but no no i didn't but um i have been there

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so many times i cannot even count on my hands on my fingers how many times i've been there

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i took courtney there after a trip to pittsburgh while it should be a four four and a half hour

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trip home turned it into ten and i want to say you kind of got fascinated with the location

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after that so mine honestly mine has always been um i can remember one time we drove past it

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we were going to morgan town and for whatever reason i remember we drove past it um and

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truthfully i think that we're still fully operational when we went by yeah it was 95 up 95 96 i think it

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was not it was 95 because it was same year i was born yeah so um we went by there and everything

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and or maybe i'm thinking of the prison i think western was fully operational till 96 um but i

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remember we would drive by there sometimes and um always i always wanted to get in there and stuff

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because the building itself fascinated me but what fascinated me even more was learning so much about

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the history 1994 sorry i just googled it was 94 we were both wrong for once continue sorry um but

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going in there and then starting to talk about what all they would admit a person into the insane

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asylum over is absolutely repulsive and we didn't even do the paranormal tour we just had the two

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hour historic tour it was just a historical tour that we took um is repulsive and i think god the

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strides that have been made in mental health but there's so much more strides that need to be taken

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forth with it i mean if that makes sense in all honesty it's not even mental health like i could

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literally turn you in for having classes in a nose ring right now i mean for two nose rings like it

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could be like there was just so much with this and it was honestly it was deeply disturbing

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what all and a majority of the patients there were women were a majority of it and for a woman to

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have her husband committed she would actually have to go before the board which was nothing but men

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to try to prove it however a man could have a woman committed if he was having an affair on

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his wife he could have her committed over that and then move on with his life with his mistress

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i mean it's things of that nature i mean you aren't so much all about the medicine you learn

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about the history and the people who ran it you learn all about lobotomies and i believe they said

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at one point they were doing over a hundred lobotomies a day yeah something like that they were doing that

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many lobotomies and um they described to us how the lobotomies were done there's actual photos

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of it set up in there of how it's done um they would talk to us about the criminally insane

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floor and how the nurses would not walk side by side but rather it would be back to back

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that way there was somebody protecting and watching the entire time and they actually

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said that they would actually prefer to go on the men's side of the criminally insane as opposed to

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the women's and i think the craziest thing of it all was the um where we went into the room

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where the murder happened yeah and um there was a man there and he was very special needs i think

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they said he had the mentality of a five-year-old five six-year-old something of that nature and um

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three guys was one guy who was actually getting pissed off about what was happening

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and with him and he just didn't like the guy so he um actually talked to other guys into

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hanging him yeah they would hang him and as soon as he would lose consciousness they would bring

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him down he would come back to conscious in the end they would rehang him and the guy got fed up

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they done this like two or three times and he picked up the bed and crushed it through the man's

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um yeah they like jumped on it and stuff yeah and they said we could either call the police and him

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be put on trial for the murder and him be declared um mentally insane and not be competent enough

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to stay in trial or we clean up the mess and we inform the family and that's what they did they

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cleaned up the mess and they informed the family and the guy was moved to another mental hospital

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which i believe this it is just a few miles up from where weston is let me talk about that one

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can you believe i have a story about that doesn't shock me so my nanny and poppaw went up there to

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visit some family friends um and the guy was in the hospital and they just pull up into this building

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and they're like my nanny didn't say it at the time but she was thinking like why is there so many

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government vehicles in this parking lot like what's going on so they get out you know not paying any

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attention to signage anything like that and one of the guys was like can i help you i hope

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we're here to visit so and so they're like you're not allowed in here this is the mental hospital

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and nanny's like that explains a lot so yeah they you know left the parking lot and went to the right

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hospital but um me and emmy we actually did the kremlein same building tour that building is so

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so creepy in so many levels not because you know charles manson was there for a lost in but

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just it's you had to shower him like basically in front of everyone and like

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it's much different than the actual asylum like the building and the glass reminds me of one of

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the buildings and house of wax and it was just it was honestly creepy to go like they had cuts

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basically just lined up there was no like i think there might have been some rooms for like

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patients or criminals and stuff but it was mostly just cuts lined up another thing too about this

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is for the fact that this hospital was built just to take a little over a hundred patients max

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and then at one point they had over 1200 patients there should we talk about how it's on 666 acres

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of land that and then we also um discovered that there is a cemetery on there that we didn't know

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about no i knew about the cemetery i didn't know they did cemetery tours so i'm down to do a cemetery

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same

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so in the middle of state haunts there was a major update in the case of gretchen flaming

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which was the case that we were kind of referring to in judy petty's case

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i fully believe that you know there could be a connection between both of them and

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we actually have a trip to parkersburg planned very very soon and courtney has been there way

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more than me here recently and which church is it do you remember i cannot remember the church

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i just randomly remember passing by the church um it really struck me that they have a huge

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missing banner of gretchen flaming in the front yard of the church and um i

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i there are no new updates since we released the update episode but we can say that this

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case has not left the table for police officers and i think every single day they go through

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every single week that they get um the main suspect has been dragged on facebook if he

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is seen in public there are pictures of him and i i fully i think he's across state lines

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i think he's still close by but i think he's over in ohaha across the state border i want to say

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i've seen recently that he was seen in ohio i could be wrong or maybe in another part of the state

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but i i fully feel for gretchen's family i do too i'm happy that they have gotten out and spoke

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about her case on tv it is on investigation discovery if you guys have that um so please

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go watch it it was the main source for this episode but um i do feel one day there will be

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the resolution to this case and i hope to god there is justice served but um that that is one

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day that is hopefully going to happen really soon because i know officer zimmerman has basically

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this case just under wraps in the best way possible like in one of the episodes in the episode

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we had no idea that they you know searched the whale or the water tower and you know that was

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one of the main things so i fully believe this case is looked into each and every single day and it's

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i feel like they just start their own task force for this which is the best thing possible for them

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the next episode was actually a one-year anniversary episode

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and we were told for more info on nelly and ray's case and again we can talk about this case non-stop

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we talk about it once a week once a month something like that yeah we talk a lot over it and we now

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fully believe that nelly was just murdered because she was there literally she was murdered for no

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reason no reason and she was just at the wrong place at the wrong time yeah and i'm happy this case

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has gotten coverage on it since there was an episode on kindred spirits since kindred spirits did

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an episode we actually got to watch that episode at black knight um and then we kind of just got a

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search of the entire building which the upstairs is insane yeah um there was actually apartments

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up there we didn't know if that was true or not but there was actually apartments up there and um the

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biggest thing that was confirmed was there was an illegal gambling ring going on and we have

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learned that ray owed people a lot of money yes and we believe that's why he was taken out and i

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know that sounds awful but his we we've heard new things on this case that we will not release

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because we do not know if it's true or not and because we have heard that this person goes after

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people who mention it so we will not mention it but there is a suspect that i fully believe and

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i fully believe that you know it could be true what yeah um we have both read the book by adniss

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keely 20 times each probably yeah and agnes has done such a great job on it and she is such an

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amazing person every time i see her she like gives me a big hug yeah um agnes is truly honestly a gym

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she is like she messaged me so much when i was in the hospital no way yeah she even messaged me

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and like checking on me and see how i was doing and everything i absolutely love agnes and yes

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we gotta meet nellie's great nephew which is like one of the best things ever yeah and ray's family

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is actually still in town yes and another thing that we have actually started doing ourselves is

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we do like a little tour tour um to where the murders happened we show where the people live

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where the car was located cars located uh where their bodies were depth as close as we can yeah

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because federal prison property kind of can't go across the you know gate and trust me do not think

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that i had not brainstormed of how we could go in oh i mean technically we could but it's only like

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one day a year yeah i mean i have literally like brainstormed yeah and trust me i would have got

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in there but i had to work that day and i couldn't call off because it was a wednesday yeah but um

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um this can we go to the cemetery too yeah we we end up to cemetery always or depending on the time

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of day yeah we'll either begin at the cemetery or end yes um yeah this case it's always gonna say

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near and dear to our heart yes the seventh case we covered was the murder of cleo birdette this

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was a crazy ride of a case too yeah it randomly just i forget how we found it but it was so random

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and i think i found it online i want to say it was one that you brought to me and i'm like yes we

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have to cover this because it's never been covered before on a podcast the only thing i've ever seen

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on it was um a new station in trellston i don't know if they still do it or not but back in the day

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they would look into certain cases and tell the story do the interviews and it is honestly just

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so crazy what all happened and i feel like this is sadly one of the cases i can say there may never

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be justice no because i fully believe he was just murdered because they knew he had money at the time

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yep that is just one of the saddest things ever

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the eighth episode that we covered was the murder of nicole don margley from february first 2003

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this case is one that i found hard to cover because there wasn't much info on it like most of the

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cases but the family posting on facebook made it so easier because there's not many facebook pages

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out there for cases or for victims and i fully believe that like one point in time they did have

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um the suspect but because there wasn't enough evidence they let him go and he has been free

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ever since and what was so sad was the fact that she had a very young child but kind of the good

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thing in it in a way is that her family has kept they definitely kept her memory alive yes and her

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son knows a lot about his mother they celebrate her birthday every single year they have a cake for

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he blows out the candles yes and again if you have information regarding this case come forward

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come forward help somebody

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are we ready for this one i think so miss leah hickman case nine and ten

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he was last seen december 14th 2007 and her body was found december 21st 2007

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so let's just go ahead and start this off this case was a wild ride this is another case that

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took forever to look through because it's just there is so much and this is the first case

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we have ever even read like referenced this is the first case we have ever referenced reddit

427
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web sleuths just for the simple fact that it's just like not like relevant in other cases

428
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and this is one that we definitely have our own theory on oh yeah oh yeah and i feel like we talked

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about that in the episode yeah i mean this was a case that made absolutely no sense whatsoever

430
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just the way the apartment was laid out yeah they were on the top floor and what was so sad about

431
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this case was leah's bed was set up it was a blow-up mattress set up on milk crates yeah

432
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and there was only one other person there the other two um the other three rooms were vacant

433
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were vacant because the one guy was in florida yeah no there was four so it hers and then the owner

434
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he was in florida and then two more but yeah you're right yeah yeah yeah he was in florida

435
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and there was somebody coming in there somebody had to know the layout and how that apartment was

436
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because the laundry room was down in a basement and the crawl space like it has been said i mean

437
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police didn't even know about the crawl space and it is said you have to live there to know about the

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crawl space so our theory kind of stands still that i fully believe it could have been an ex-boyfriend

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that called a certain someone not pointing fingers at her sister to hide the body and from the serial

440
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killer letter it makes perfect perfect sense because someone you care about you would not want their

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body to get dirty so you would wrap them up in a clear tarp that is there for maintenance yes

442
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and the whole other thing too about this case is it was a two-parter yeah and we're working on

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getting things better for a two-parter or possibly like a little mini series about cases and things

444
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of that no oh i want to say i'm sorry for the music pauses for the one person that complained

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but i would say this much the reason why i was not participating on this one

446
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was i was sick and in the hospital and mark had to record i thought you were just working again

447
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no no i got looking at the dates on here and this is when i was in the hospital okay this is when i

448
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was in the hospital so um just think jesus said i was better oh yeah was it oh yeah

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so

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case 11 was the case of chandice cochran who has been missing since august 20th 2019

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this case was brought forward to us twice which i was oblivious and completely missed the first one

452
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:55,280
but it was in a facebook message and then we got an email about it yeah and i want to say thank you

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to the two people that reached out to us because they fully put this case in line for us and this

454
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case was going to be in season three but we decided to just go ahead and bring it forth yeah just felt

455
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it was the right time and there is a facebook page for chandice that her mother runs and i have

456
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my heart breaks for her mother and one of the big things too was the gas station the gas station

457
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and fun fact we will pass that tomorrow and you're going to see what a distance it is oh yeah we will

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won't be yeah we will definitely pass it um tomorrow and um yeah i'm not sure if there's going to be any

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updates in this case or not i have my theory on it oh i fully do too but i have my theory i think we

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had the same theory but yeah i just i don't know i wish there could be justice but

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again certain people need to speak up for this absolutely

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and then our 12th case our hardest case we have ever covered to this day

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was the case of natasha alex carter court and you want to take it from here and tell them

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a few things we missed out on so um again um alex was my little cousin or what we

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affectionately called her was al a lot of times we called her al and um

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um she never went by natasha never never she always went by alex and um

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and some of the things that i left out in this case was how um we my family my grandmother

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particularly had hired private investigators bounty hunters anytime that there was about to be a

469
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break in the case it just stopped it went dead cold dead cold um

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um my grandmother has spent tens of thousands of dollars trying to locate alex um the private

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investigator um i just know his name is cliff and so i renew his name as and it was just like one

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day he just like fell off the face of the earth like everything just stopped with it um

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and then a few years beforehand um it was actually really sad they thought that they

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found alex in ohio really i never knew yeah they thought that they found her and she was alive and

475
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um it wasn't her wasn't her at all and um again um the homeland security was looking into the

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amount of missing children out there and that's how alex's case came back forth and um the fbi

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was someone out of pittsburgh who reopened alex's case with it um which props to them they have

478
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really they have done so much in my family well forever for they have done an amazing job for it um

479
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um i bet like um it was so funny um mark he came and picked me up one evening and he was

480
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right after the fbi herrated larry webbs house yeah and we've been up there and mark is like

481
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am i going to have to like the windows am i going to have to lock the doors and i was like yep that

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this man has lived his life free lived his life and alex's life got cut out for 10 years of age

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but you know at 10 years of age i feel like he won't be living free for too long no

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and now we can kind of give a little sneak peek a little look into season three

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mountain state mysteries which we can say is premiering on may 10th 2024 may 10th 24 um

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it's our biggest season yet we are going outside of west virginia for a few cases um one of them

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we dare promise y'all and that one is a very very crazy story in and of itself episode one is probably

488
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going to be our longest episode ever um or i should say our longest episode yet yes it's crazy nothing

489
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:57,360
adds up me and courtney can literally go on a rabbit hole on this case we are going to be doing a lot

490
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of extra things for this season we have a few few events coming up which we will post about so you

491
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guys come out and see us grab some mountain state mysteries merch and all of that good stuff yeah but

492
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we don't want to give too much away like we're not going to tell you like any episodes like we

493
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are just going to give you hints and this is also going to be one of our largest seasons yeah it's

494
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our biggest season yet there is so huge i mean we just kept on adding cases on the cases on the cases

495
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and it got to the point where courtney's like mark we're not adding getting more but i'm like we

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have to tell this case it's insane i was like we're in double digits major double digits well

497
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we might get into more double digits after another case i just found

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you know we have interviews this season which i'm so excited for you guys to hear

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we are going on scene for some which i'm like really excited about because it just it lets you feel

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the cases even more yes or get the feel of the cases i just say because

501
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there's a lot of locations that we cannot go to due to the distance and all this and we're just like

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well we kind of have the time because we do nothing else so i mean we do work but i'm like

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we have days off so we are hitting the ground running for this season and it is going to be

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insane yes and can i throw something in really quick if you ever have the chance to go up to

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clark'sburg oh yeah go to the clark'sburg history museum yeah we love beth and all of them up there

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it is absolutely one of the coolest things i have ever done and one of the reasons why i wanted to go

507
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and i just happened to be in the area and was able to go one day without mark

508
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yeah thanks for thinking of me it's fine i did think of you the entire time you had to admit

509
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that i was thinking of you i would never do that to you where are you talking about so like we said

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we will be returning may 10th 2024 with a crazy crazy case from parkersburg and marietta Ohio

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so we will see you guys on may 10th stay tuned for our next episode because it's going to be the

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season premiere of season three of mountain state mysteries if you find yourself enjoying mountain

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