1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,520 Mountain State Mysteries contains a dog content that may not be said well for all audiences. 2 00:00:06,520 --> 00:00:09,160 Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:10,320 I'm your host Mark. 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:11,640 And I'm Courtney. 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:41,600 And this is Mountain State Mysteries. 6 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:51,360 Can you believe it Courtney? 7 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:56,240 Today makes one year since we released the first episode of Mountain State Mysteries. 8 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:57,240 I really can't. 9 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:03,040 I mean it just seems like yesterday that we came up with this idea and here it is a year 10 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,200 later. 11 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,960 We honestly wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you or listeners. 12 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:13,200 We honestly thought that this would just be a little local podcast that people in town 13 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,400 would listen to. 14 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,880 However, it's a podcast that has been listened to around the world. 15 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:25,360 I think it's safe to say that we both have a strong connection to all of our cases and 16 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,280 we both wish that they could finally get solved. 17 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,280 That's the truth. 18 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:36,720 It's also safe to say that we both have a favorite case and it turns out it's the same 19 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:37,720 case. 20 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,480 And that's the case of Nellie Mayran and Elmer Ray Bailey. 21 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,640 So today we decided to revisit the case and tell you even more about it. 22 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:53,520 Earlier this year we had the opportunity to meet Agnes Keatley, a local author who was 23 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,760 only 10 years of age at the time of the murder of Nellie and Ray. 24 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,640 She told us about a book she wrote called Cover Up and it was based on these murders. 25 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:10,360 Agnes told us that one of her friends actually gave her the case files on this case and wrote 26 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,640 who he thought did it on the back. 27 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:17,160 She told us that she kept them and she always wanted to write a book because this case has 28 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,960 stayed in the back of her mind. 29 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:24,000 She finally decided to and let us tell you she did a wonderful job. 30 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:31,640 At her book signing she asked us who we thought did it and it turns out we have the same theory 31 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:37,200 as her which makes us believe that we are on the right track when it comes to this case. 32 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:43,520 So Courtney are you ready to revisit our first case on the 76th year anniversary? 33 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,880 I sure am. 34 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:51,680 Nellie Maycombs dropped out of Bickery High School in Coldwood, West Virginia in the 10th 35 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:58,200 grade and went on to work as a waitress in Welch, a town also located in McDowell County 36 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,240 just 10 miles away. 37 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,800 Nellie was always insecure and lacking the confidence you think a woman with her beauty 38 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:05,800 would have. 39 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,960 Nellie was a very vulnerable girl. 40 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:13,080 She looked for support and intimacy as well as fun and excitement and this would often 41 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,480 lead to dangerous company. 42 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:20,720 Nellie was barely 16 when she ran off and married the son of a prominent McDowell County 43 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:21,720 Co. 44 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:22,960 Company official. 45 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:28,560 Nell's sister Helen could only remember stories of the impromptu wedding. 46 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:33,200 She could not remember if the marriage was annulled or even if there was a divorce. 47 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:38,200 When news broke about the wedding, the young man's family sent him off and he was never 48 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,400 seen in McDowell County again. 49 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:46,480 Some events in Nellie's life explain her susceptibility and weakness. 50 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:52,000 By the age of 20, the young attractive lady had already earned herself a reputation that 51 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,200 young man found appealing. 52 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,320 That period of life faded with time, five years after her first marriage, 21-year-old 53 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:04,800 Nellie married 35-year-old Dr. Kenneth K. Rand. 54 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:12,000 Dr. Kenneth K. Rand was born on December 18, 1903. 55 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:19,480 The son of Austin Clark Rand and Lula David Rand of Cottageville, Jackson County, West 56 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:20,480 Virginia. 57 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:27,320 Dr. Rand graduated from Ravenswood High School, the Ohio College of Dental Surgery, and the 58 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,240 University of Louisville Dental College. 59 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:41,160 In 1927, he opened the Kenneth K. Rand DDS Dental Practices with office in Colwood and 60 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,800 Corretta, both in McDowell County. 61 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:50,200 During this period of Dr. Rand's life, he married Nellie May Combs. 62 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:56,760 In 1932, Dr. Rand moved his dental practice to Beckley, located in Raleigh County, West 63 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:57,760 Virginia. 64 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:04,600 Dr. Rand was also involved in the American Red Cross, where he conducted first aid classes. 65 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:11,120 He was a Nordin Deacon at the Beckley's First Baptist Church, an active member of the Gideon 66 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,160 Bible Program, and a member of the Barka Sunday School classes. 67 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,720 Dr. Rand was one of the founders of the Flat Top Lake Association. 68 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:26,560 He was a member of the Beckley Elks Club, Moose Lodge, Lines Club, the Black Knight 69 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,040 Country Club, and many dental societies. 70 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:35,800 Nell often appeared in society columns at the Beckley's Newspapers, often in connection 71 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:41,680 to the First Baptist Church, located on Neville Street in Uptown, Beckley, where her and her 72 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,960 husband were active members. 73 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:50,800 The two's family grew in the 1930s with the birth of their daughters, Kara and Carolyn. 74 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,320 Kara May Rand was born in September of 1934. 75 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,560 Kara May Rand was born in September of 1934. 76 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,960 At the time of Nellie's murder, she was only 13 years of age. 77 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,560 Carolyn Rand was born in January of 1936. 78 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:16,920 And at the time, Nellie's murder, she was only 11 years of age. 79 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:22,280 After living for a period of time on Salcanol Street, the Rand's moved into a home on Harper 80 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:27,680 Road, which is still there and we aren't going to get out the address due to the homeowner's 81 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:28,680 privacy. 82 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,760 But, we will say it's one of everyone's favorite homes on Harper Road. 83 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:42,240 The three bedroom, two-story brick home has 2,216 square feet and was situated on 3.4 84 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,240 acres of land. 85 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:49,760 During our research one year ago, we actually found out that their home was a Sears home. 86 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:54,560 They ordered it from a catalog and they added their own touches to it, then built it from 87 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,120 the ground up. 88 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,760 Elmer Ray Bailey was born in 1898. 89 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:09,280 He was an Army veteran of World War I and was discharged in August of 1919. 90 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:15,120 Ray was the manager of the furniture department of the Beckley hardware and supply company, 91 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:21,000 a prosperous and growing hardware store located on South Heber Street in uptown Beckley. 92 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:29,840 Irene M. Martin was born at Union Monroe County, West Virginia in April of 1900. 93 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:38,920 On September 17, 1921, 21-year-old Irene Martin married 23-year-old Ray Bailey. 94 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:47,200 The couple purchased a home at 106 Johnstown Road, which is now an empty lot due to a fire. 95 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:53,320 Irene, like Nellie, appeared in the Beckley newspapers due to her presence at luncheons, 96 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:58,520 dinners, youth functions that included her daughters, the women's club, and First Christian 97 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,320 church activities. 98 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:09,120 The Bailey's had two daughters, Daisy Dean, who was born in 1928, and Diane Vivian, who 99 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,120 was born in 1931. 100 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:19,920 On Tuesday, November 4, 1947, Nellie Rand kept her 1pm weekly hair appointment, where 101 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,720 she had her hair styled in the popular style of the time. 102 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:31,480 Ironically, later that afternoon of the same day, Irene Bailey was in the same salon getting 103 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,320 her hair styled by Charles. 104 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,600 Have you ever done Mrs. Rand's hair, Charles? 105 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,440 Irene asked. 106 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,440 Miss Rand has never been my patron. 107 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,480 Well, if I were you, I would not do it. 108 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,080 She might try to court you if you do. 109 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,120 Irene advised him, somewhat joking. 110 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,920 Nellie dodged between raindrops as she left the beauty salon and ran into the White Cross 111 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,960 pharmacy and gift shop on the corner of Main and North Canales Street. 112 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:05,360 Nellie was there getting a gift for a bridal shower for her friend, Irma Lowe. 113 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:10,760 She purchased two pieces of china in the style that Irma selected. 114 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:18,360 The shower was to take place at 8pm at 108 N Street, which for some reason we never found 115 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,040 the address until Agnes released her book. 116 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,680 Turns out we were really close to where we thought it was. 117 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:29,240 We were on the right street, just the wrong house. 118 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:34,200 After leaving the gift shop, Nell walked the half block to her husband's dental office 119 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:39,580 at 104 Main Street, just over top, the GC Murphy Company. 120 00:09:39,580 --> 00:09:45,440 It was 3.30 when Nell stood in the door talking to her husband, Dr. Rand. 121 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:51,040 He had a patient in his dental chair and although he did not stop working, he carried on the 122 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,080 conversation with Nellie. 123 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,440 Would it be alright for me to use the car this evening? 124 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:57,440 Nell asked. 125 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:02,840 I don't know anyone else that is going to the shower that I can ride with. 126 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:08,880 That's fine, I'm going to the Lions Club and will probably go to a movie afterwards. 127 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:14,320 It wasn't unusual for Dr. Rand to attend a movie on Tuesday evening. 128 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:22,240 Going to a movie after his Lions Club meeting was what he typically did on Tuesday nights. 129 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:28,000 Well, I should be home by 11 or at least ready to go home by then. 130 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,240 Just call me at Martha's or at the house and I'll pick you up. 131 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,520 Dr. Rand called home around 6pm and talked to Nellie. 132 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:42,040 One of the things they discussed was a fur coat that he was purchasing for his wife 133 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,160 from a Charleston department store. 134 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:50,880 He told her that while going through papers on his desk, he discovered that the girl failed 135 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,680 to send him the slip for the fur coat. 136 00:10:54,680 --> 00:11:00,120 She sent a check but not the slip so they won't have all of the information. 137 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,880 You may not get your new coat for a few days. 138 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:10,320 This was more than likely the last thing Dr. Rand ever talked to Nellie about. 139 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:16,440 Irene Bailey walked from the beauty salon to South Heber Street where her husband Elma 140 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:21,760 Ray Bailey was the manager and buyer of the furniture department for the Beckley hardware 141 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,760 company. 142 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,040 Sadly, the building is no longer there. 143 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,240 It's now a law office. 144 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:36,120 Ray was so excited about a new radio he was purchasing for the family and when Irene came 145 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,400 into the store they talked about it. 146 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,920 Oh, by the way, I have already gotten Dee Dee's Christmas present. 147 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,420 Oh really? 148 00:11:44,420 --> 00:11:45,920 What did you get? 149 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,400 I got her a mix master. 150 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,200 When Irene was leaving the store, Ray yelled at her. 151 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,840 If you want to wait a few minutes, I'll drive you home. 152 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:59,040 It looks like rain and I know how easily you catch a cold. 153 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,480 Oh Ray, I don't want to take you away from your work. 154 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:08,720 It's fine, I plan to come back to the store this evening and work for a little while unless 155 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,120 there is something that you want to do. 156 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:18,680 No, we've really, no, we've been out every night this week. 157 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:21,480 I really just want to stay in this evening. 158 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,240 Ray drove Irene home around 3.45 or 4pm. 159 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,360 She got out of the car and went into the house. 160 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,280 Ray did not go in. 161 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:37,640 Nellie returned home earlier that day to have dinner with her sister and daughters. 162 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,840 They chatted cheerfully about the bridal shower and Nellie started to get ready. 163 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,080 Around 6pm, Nellie was getting ready. 164 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,600 Nellie was looking into the mirror of her dresser in deep thought. 165 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,440 She did not see her sister come into the room. 166 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:58,440 She fastened a runstone necklace around her throat to go with her blue silk dress. 167 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,880 My, my, aren't we fancy. 168 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,600 I've only dressed up for a bridal shower, aren't you sweetie? 169 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:06,920 Don't start with me, Helen. 170 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,040 I have enough on my mind. 171 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,560 Nellie, you just want to learn. 172 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:18,360 You know you promised Doc and you also know that you were just playing with fire. 173 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,080 Doc's been awfully good to you, Nell. 174 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,480 Get off my back, Helen. 175 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,400 We've been over this time and time again. 176 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,720 You just don't understand and besides, I'm trying to. 177 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,240 I'm going to take care of it. 178 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,520 I really am, but it's, it's just hard. 179 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,640 You don't know how hard it is. 180 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,840 You don't know how I feel. 181 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,960 And yes, he's been good. 182 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,400 He's been damn good to you too. 183 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:51,360 So with this, we found out that Nellie's sister knew the entire time while she was up 184 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,560 to that night. 185 00:13:53,560 --> 00:14:00,120 After Ray drove Irene home, she did the routine things around the house. 186 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:06,240 Bicely hardware usually closed at five and Ray would make it home at around five thirty. 187 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:11,400 However, this evening he made it around five, ten or five, fifteen. 188 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:12,400 Dinner was normal. 189 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:18,320 Irene's mother joined them and the conversation was mainly about the radio Ray planned on 190 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,560 buying for the family. 191 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:26,280 After dinner, Ray showered and shaved, something that my husband did every evening, whether 192 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,120 we're going out or staying home. 193 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,400 Ray showered and cleaned up every evening. 194 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:39,120 Irene said Ray walked back into the kitchen and his trousers and just a T shirt. 195 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,040 That was something very out of character for him. 196 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:48,200 He just seemed so excited about the new radio and came into where mother and I were talking. 197 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,800 Do you think we'll have it before the Parker Spurx game Ray? 198 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,440 Irene said Ray was ready to leave the house when she went into the bedroom where he was 199 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,360 getting his cigarettes. 200 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,720 He had his coat on ready to leave. 201 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,320 It was seven p.m. 202 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,480 Irene, are you sure there isn't anything that you want to do this evening? 203 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:09,480 No. 204 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:16,080 Mother is leaving tomorrow and Dee Dee and Pete are coming over to see her this evening. 205 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:21,240 I'd like for you to take them home around 10, 10.30. 206 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:26,960 Looking at his watch, Ray told her he was going to work for a short while and that he 207 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,000 should be home around 8.30 p.m. 208 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,760 Ray planned on buying the radio that night. 209 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:37,880 He had $400 in his pocket for that purpose. 210 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:43,000 Ray stopped at the service station at the corner of Johnstown Road and Canole Street 211 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,000 and got gas. 212 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:52,360 Attendant James Flashman pumped his gas and Ray paid with a $10 bill for which Flashman 213 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,000 counted back his change. 214 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:05,000 Gas in 1947 was 23 cents per gallon, so a $10 bill would be around $133 today, what a dream 215 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,000 that would be. 216 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:12,080 Dr. Rand left his office around 6.20 p.m., mailed letters at the little box in front 217 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,920 of the bank and proceeded to El Chico. 218 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,680 Case on North Fayette Street, which I've heard was an amazing place to eat. 219 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,600 Dr. Rand went to the Lions Club meeting around 6.30. 220 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:29,440 Following the meeting, Dr. Rand went straight to his office again. 221 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:35,240 He said, I didn't stop to talk to anyone that evening as I usually do. 222 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:40,000 I did not check the time, but I'd say it was around 8.30 p.m. 223 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,840 He said he worked on some letters and mailed them in front of the Beckley hardware store, 224 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:50,200 then he walked over to the Lyric Theater, which is now a parking lot for Fruit of Labor 225 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,520 in Uptown Beckley. 226 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,360 He purchased a ticket from a girl that he did not know. 227 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:04,280 He said Mr. Burke was taking up tickets, I gave him my ticket and he gave me the stub 228 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,600 that they normally tear off. 229 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:12,160 After the movie, Dr. Rand crossed over to the bus stop at Watkins Drug Store waiting 230 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,760 for a bus. 231 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:19,280 His friend, Teresa Torrin, who was the owner of Quality Pastry Shop. 232 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:25,400 Dr. Rand said Ms. Torrin drove me up Harper Road and when we got to where she turns off 233 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:31,120 to go home, I told her she didn't have to take me the entire way, that I would just 234 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:34,480 walk the rest of the way, but she insisted. 235 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:39,440 She drove me to my house where she turned around and drove off and I went into the house. 236 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,960 Dr. Rand said the garage light was on and he assumed that Nellie made it home and just 237 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,680 forgot to pick him up. 238 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:52,280 When he walked in, he found out that Nellie wasn't home and around 12.15 that morning, 239 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:57,720 he began to become worried and he called the home of Martha Dickinson's, where the 240 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,880 viral shower took place, but she said that Nellie did not come to the party. 241 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:08,160 After the call, he woke up Helen and asked if she knew anything about Nellie and she 242 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:13,720 said she only knew that Nellie was going to the party that evening. 243 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:21,520 The 1946 Blue Chrysler Commodore traveled down Route 1921 near the eastern edge of the 244 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:28,040 city, turned off the main highway into the Black Knight Country Club property, then turned 245 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:34,200 onto a rough, abandoned road that went a hundred feet, just enough to be hidden and 246 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,520 stopped. 247 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,440 Anyone who saw the driver would think she was lost. 248 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:47,200 A few moments later, a second car pulled into the dark, out of the way of other cars parked 249 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,200 behind the other. 250 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:53,680 The driver of the second car was a slender, middle-aged man in a Buick. 251 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:59,600 Then he turned off the headlights, turned off the car, and the darkness that promised 252 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:06,880 to hide everything, especially the secrets that were going to happen in the car. 253 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:15,720 From the description from the West Virginia police file, 29-1327-page3, on Red Dog Road 254 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:21,680 in the wooden section behind the Black Knight Country Club, at a distance of about 100 yards 255 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:29,400 from the club, in the particular wooden section it is honeycombed with roads, indicating that 256 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:37,680 it is apparently at one time was laid out into a subdivision upon entering the grounds 257 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,320 of the Black Knight Country Club. 258 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:48,560 From Route 19-21, business route and proceeding to Route 3, take the first Red Dog Road to 259 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,320 the left and turn to the scene of the crime. 260 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:58,760 This is on the edge of the Beckley City Limits, Town District, Raleigh County, West Virginia. 261 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,720 Wednesday morning, after breakfast, Dr. Rand caught around to see if anyone knew where 262 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,280 Nellie was. 263 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,240 No one knew. 264 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:12,520 He ended up calling the Beckley-Hartbrough store and asked to talk to Ray Bailey. 265 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:17,440 They said he didn't come in that morning, so he assumed that him and Nellie finally ran 266 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,720 away together the night before. 267 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:27,680 Around 11.45 a.m., E.E. Bibb reported the license plate numbers, models, and colors of 268 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,120 missing vehicles of both Nellie and Ray. 269 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:35,320 The West Virginia State Police First Sergeant W.E. 270 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:42,280 Demonson, who was on desk duty at the time, within minutes of Mr. Bibb's report, a car 271 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,360 was found by Trooper Tabscott. 272 00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:54,480 On November 5, 1947, about 9 a.m., the undersigned Trooper Tabscott, while on patrol to Coolridge, 273 00:20:54,480 --> 00:21:00,840 to serve a warrant, noticed a car parked over on the north edge of old RMI ball field, which 274 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,540 is now where two brothers' collision is today. 275 00:21:04,540 --> 00:21:10,960 Not being unusual to see cars parked at the section of the ballpark, I proceeded to Coolridge, 276 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:18,600 meeting my business there, and upon returning to Beckley about 11 a.m., I noticed a car 277 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,120 still parked there. 278 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:27,840 I drove into the ballpark and over to the scene where the car was abandoned. 279 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:33,560 Upon examination of the car, a large pool of blood was noticed on the floor of the back 280 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:40,640 seat, and also what appeared to be three bullet holes in the back of the rear seat. 281 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:47,560 A lady's coat and a men's top coat were lying on the rear seat, and on the shelf behind 282 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:54,280 the rear seat was a lady's purse and a men's top hat were noted. 283 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,760 The keys were still in the ignition and the switch was on. 284 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,840 The window of the right rear door was down. 285 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:10,600 From this examination, I knew that a crime of some kind had been committed in this automobile. 286 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:18,840 The car was a 1941 model, dark green Buick sedan. 287 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:25,280 Bearing WV license plate number 33-092. 288 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,120 The keys were taken from the switch of the car. 289 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:31,720 The windows rolled up and the car doors locked. 290 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:37,880 A handkerchief was used in rolling up the windows and shutting the car doors. 291 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:43,760 Further investigations were made and armed with this information returned to the state 292 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,720 police headquarters in Beckley, West Virginia, arriving at 11.45 a.m. 293 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:55,560 While the officers were discussing the findings of the car, O.G. Goodson and his son Raymond 294 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:03,320 came into the headquarters and reported finding two bodies of an embankment on Penman Road, 295 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,160 just beyond the Penman powerhouse. 296 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:13,440 River Pearl, H.C. Fulmer, and Troubert Hapscott immediately accompanied the Goodsons to the 297 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,800 scene where the bodies were found. 298 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:21,480 According to police records, the site where the bodies were found was approximately nine 299 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,600 miles from the Black Knight Country Club. 300 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:30,160 The gate of the federal prison is seven and one-half miles away from the Black Knight 301 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,600 Country Club. 302 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:37,520 On arrival at the scene, close observation was made to preserve and protect any remaining 303 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,080 marks of evidence that could be found. 304 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:46,040 The top of the bank was searched for any footprints or other evidence. 305 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:51,200 But due to the fact it rained after the bodies were taken to the scene, no footprints could 306 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,200 be seen. 307 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,560 At the top of the bank, Nellie's shoes were found at a distance of about six feet apart 308 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,760 and between the shoes were a pair of panties. 309 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:08,240 A package of matches with the tops burned off and bearing the advertisement of the sycamore 310 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:15,320 in a bear joint on U.S. 19-21 were found in the ditch. 311 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:21,560 Twelve feet down the embankment, face down with his pants down around his knees, laid 312 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,720 the body of Elmeray Bailey. 313 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:31,400 Nellie ran, lay face down with her head resting on the lower portion of Bailey's legs. 314 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,600 Her dress up around her waist and her feet extending up to the bank. 315 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:42,720 A further search of the scene showed that the car that brought the bodies to the scene 316 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,920 turned around about 30 feet and returned the same way it entered. 317 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:54,920 The bodies were picked up by County Coroner Douglas Bryant and an employee at the Rhodes 318 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,680 funeral home, placed in an ambulance and brought to the Rhodes funeral home in Morgue 319 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:00,680 in Beckley. 320 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,960 Dr. Rand went to the funeral home and identified Nellie with her dental plate. 321 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,480 He said a bridge was there that he put in not too long ago. 322 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:17,880 Around 4 p.m. a call was received from Beckley patrolman Bill Tubert stating that the car 323 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:23,800 of Nellie Rand had been located on Red Dog Road behind Black Knight Country Club. 324 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:29,520 A distance of 20 feet behind the car was a large spot of blood measuring out to 12 inches 325 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:36,400 in diameter and a woman's watch was found in the ground next to the blood spot with 326 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,920 a time of 8.15 frozen on it. 327 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,320 On the right rear door of Bailey's car several latent fingerprints were found and lifted by 328 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:52,160 Sergeant Shane Holzer and Corporal Newman which were later proved to be that of the victim 329 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,600 Nellie May Rand. 330 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,400 No additional evidence could be found. 331 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:03,680 While the two were in the backseat of Ray's car they never saw the 38 caliber pistol thrust 332 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:10,720 open through the open window on the rear right side of the car. 333 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:21,560 However, they would hear if only for a terrifying instant the deadly shots ring out once, twice, 334 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:29,240 three times, shattering the silence of the night. 335 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:34,680 So that's really all we want to tell you of this story because you can listen to more 336 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:43,880 in episode one of Mountain State Mysteries or you can purchase Agnes's book and read 337 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:51,280 everything on this from suspects to Trooper Tabscott's son. 338 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,520 She has it all. 339 00:26:52,520 --> 00:27:02,000 Courtney can like say for me I have read this book 12 different times I think. 340 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,880 Like it has been my holy grail. 341 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,440 For I couldn't tell you since the day I got it. 342 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:13,520 Like we were Agnes had her signing at what was it, Calisthenos. 343 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:19,200 Me and Courtney we were waiting on the pizza and we were literally skimming it looking 344 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,280 through it looking through everything. 345 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,640 She has pages upon pages upon pages of interviews everything. 346 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:32,520 So if you want to look at that definitely get her book. 347 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,400 So Courtney what's your thoughts on this case? 348 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:42,000 Not a whole lot has really changed my opinion about this case. 349 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:49,760 You know as much as we have researched this as many times as we have looked over the books 350 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:56,760 really looking at any information that has come out about this case as many times as we 351 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:07,320 have drove the route to where the bodies were dropped off at. 352 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:12,760 In all honesty nothing of this case still makes any type of sense whatsoever. 353 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,000 None of it. 354 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,520 A lot of it is still makes me angry. 355 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:26,160 There's definitely a major cover up especially when it came to Ray's car. 356 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:31,360 You know I don't understand how the police officer just reached in turned off the car 357 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:39,240 where it was still running and everything and he pulled the key out but yet he rolled 358 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,640 the window up with a handkerchief and everything. 359 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:51,600 I just felt that crime scene evidence was absolutely destroyed with it. 360 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:58,520 So you know my opinion still hasn't really much changed about this case. 361 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:07,000 Same for me I mean we've seen new articles we have seen where a police officer has said 362 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,120 he knew who killed them but would not put them in jail because of their last name and 363 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,400 we have visited that man. 364 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:24,640 We have been to his mausoleum plot and all we had to say is he failed nearly. 365 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:30,520 We've even visited Dr. Rand and let me tell you me and Courtney we have put ourselves 366 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:36,520 in a few sketchy situations in our friendship in the last five years. 367 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,480 That was probably the sketchiest thing we have ever done. 368 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:46,800 We were the only ones in the mausoleum at sunset and that is a creepy place we could 369 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,480 not find a light switch. 370 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,600 It has the old wood paneling that I call church paneling because I feel like every church 371 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,440 has it at one point in time you know what I'm talking about. 372 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,480 So it was just creepy. 373 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,760 We basically found it looked for a second and we pieced out as quickly as we could because 374 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,840 it was sketchy in there. 375 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,920 They had doors open to places I don't think they were supposed to be open. 376 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,880 We honestly don't know if there was someone else in there or not. 377 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,240 I would also advise this. 378 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,560 Don't go into sunset after dawn. 379 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,880 Absolutely not. 380 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:33,240 We actually went Memorial weekend to where we knew that the mausoleum was going to be 381 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,360 open. 382 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,120 They haven't now it's locked up. 383 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:47,120 You do have to ask for a key in order to get into the mausoleum where they are located 384 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:53,200 at and it is something I would not advise going to by yourself. 385 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,240 If you go with someone definitely go with a friend, go with a family member, just go 386 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,440 with somebody to keep yourself safe. 387 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,560 That's one of the biggest things. 388 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,240 I mean even visiting Nellie and Ray's Grape. 389 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,840 We have been sketched out from time to time. 390 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:17,960 I've honestly talked to people about somehow getting sunset to lock up at dusk like every 391 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,240 other graveyard. 392 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:29,480 It truly honestly bothers me that is not and that people will sleep in there, do drugs 393 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:30,800 in there. 394 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,880 My family was in there not too long ago and the cops and ambulance was in there because 395 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,080 someone was passed out OD. 396 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,000 So it's just something that bothers me because that is just. 397 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,760 It's supposed to be a place of rest not someone's sleeping grounds. 398 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:56,040 Also to our listeners to hear something going on in the background, our new little mascot 399 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,320 his name is Nash. 400 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,680 He is here recording with us. 401 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,800 Right now he is chewing on my arm. 402 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:13,440 So if you hear him throughout this entire episode, it's it's Nash. 403 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,960 She it's it's Nash and. 404 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,000 Yeah, it's nice. 405 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:26,280 So I can say how this podcast started. 406 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:32,400 Courtney and I were on our way home from DC and it was having to be a very quick trip 407 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,800 from DC. 408 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,600 We were extremely tired. 409 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:42,120 We went to Lady Gaga concert the night before we got back to our hotel at 2am. 410 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,520 We were about what? 411 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,400 7 637. 412 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:57,400 We're at like 630 that morning and we were out of our hotel room at 8 o'clock that morning. 413 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,680 Yeah, because I had to go into work that night, which was not planned. 414 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,440 I got called in. 415 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,440 Yeah. 416 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:10,280 So we were just making conversation because if you guys knew what me and Courtney talked 417 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,880 about on the way in the car anywhere, you would be scared. 418 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,880 You would honestly be terrified. 419 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:26,160 And then I'll honestly really before we got serious about this, I will have a story for 420 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:36,280 every situation out there and we literally jokingly started with me doing a podcast about 421 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:42,280 some of the stories that I have experienced just stuff like that, everything. 422 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:51,280 And then on the way back, we really got serious about doing a podcast. 423 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,840 And I told him like I'm addicted to true crime. 424 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,560 I had no idea Courtney loved her crime. 425 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,480 This has never been anything that we have really talked about in our friendship like 426 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,120 all this time never really talked about it. 427 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:12,280 And I'm like, if we would do a podcast, it should be true crime, even though I know that 428 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:17,480 like genre on any podcast thing is very oversaturated. 429 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,320 But I've always been craving a West Virginia true crime podcast. 430 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:28,160 And at the time there really wasn't any doing just West Virginia true crime. 431 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:33,800 So I'm like the first episode we should do happened in Beckley. 432 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:42,200 I'm like heard about it doing a Beckley haunted event with Scott Whirly back chilly night 433 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,800 years ago. 434 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,640 Like I was in high school. 435 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,360 I was like, we haven't even met. 436 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,360 No. 437 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:56,800 So it was like 10 plus years ago. 438 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:04,280 He was talking about this case and ever since then I have been obsessed with it. 439 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:10,000 I would Google this case to see if anything has ever been found out about it. 440 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,320 And sadly, nothing has and still hasn't. 441 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,640 But I kind of just told Courtney about it and we both started to go down the biggest 442 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,400 rabbit hole we have ever been down for any case. 443 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:30,200 Literally, when we say like when we first heard about this case and can find any type 444 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:40,200 of information about it, we actually went down to like Lake Creek. 445 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:45,920 No, did we know like everything would eventually like line up like when we got all the information 446 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,200 and stuff of that nature. 447 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:57,040 But we started at Lake Creek and then that night we went to McDonald's. 448 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,200 It was so late that night. 449 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:04,720 I think it was just me and you and maybe another person in there, something like that. 450 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:11,600 And we were literally over there just researching as much as we can. 451 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,880 And then that night, what was it? 452 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,360 My God, one, two o'clock in the morning and we were still sending stuff to each other 453 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,760 that we were trying to find about this case. 454 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:28,080 Any little thing that we could find, we would just start researching it and everything. 455 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:38,880 And then luckily, Mark was able to meet up with a person who had information about Penman 456 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,560 and he got all the information about Penman. 457 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,560 Got a map of it. 458 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,320 Yeah, all kinds of stuff. 459 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:53,200 We actually learned Penman Road actually started where Southern Regional Jail is today. 460 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,040 So it was actually on the other ridge. 461 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,040 Yeah. 462 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,120 And then we were in Glade Creek, which is kind of funny if you think about it. 463 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:12,360 So we had gotten that information and then we spent hours at the library going through 464 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,760 old newspaper articles. 465 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:20,280 And when we say hours, they came over and went, don't know if you heard, but we just 466 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,520 announced we're closing. 467 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,280 We're like, oh, we heard. 468 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,360 Just give us five more minutes. 469 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,360 Yeah. 470 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:31,600 I mean, we done so much research on this right here. 471 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:39,080 And the first case, everything, you know, it was, we definitely knew that there was 472 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,920 two murderers involved. 473 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,080 Oh, 1,000 percent. 474 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,440 In this and everything. 475 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,440 But the way that a lot of people were saying that she was shot, that they were sitting 476 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:54,600 beside of each other, there's no way possible that they could have been sitting right next 477 00:37:54,600 --> 00:38:03,360 to each other for the shot that took Nellie's life. 478 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,480 There's no way in a world that they could have been sitting with each other right next 479 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:15,680 to each other because the original, the way that the shot was actually done, it came out 480 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,520 of her cheek. 481 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:25,240 The one bullet did and there's no way in the world that it could have happened. 482 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:30,160 Yeah, it definitely could have happened on the same side because Ray, he would have had 483 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,160 to go first. 484 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,360 If it was one person, Nellie could have got out of the car and ran, which I fully believe 485 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,320 she did get out of the car. 486 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:43,760 But after she was shot and I think they did something else to her. 487 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:49,080 I'm not sure what that is because autopsy just shows bullet holes on her. 488 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:54,920 I want to say it's just one bullet hole, but we've also heard she was shot twice. 489 00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:01,440 Not sure if that's true or not, but we have heard that she was alive and someone else 490 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,200 saw her. 491 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,960 A police officer, a police officer went and took care of her again. 492 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:19,040 So it's a very touchy situation on what we could talk about in a way. 493 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:24,920 The night we met Agnes was actually the premiere for the Kindred Spirits episode at Black 494 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:30,800 Night, which is ironically more about the doctor which we've tried to do research on, 495 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,040 but there really isn't much out there. 496 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:42,960 But afterwards we met Agnes and she was telling us all about this book and she actually showed 497 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:43,960 it to us. 498 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,320 She didn't open it, but she showed it to us. 499 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,880 I'm like, let me peek in and she went, you have to wait. 500 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,760 Agnes is literally the sweetest person ever. 501 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,600 And he was literally what, like two weeks later or something? 502 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,200 It wasn't long afterwards or something? 503 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,880 A few weeks to a few months after. 504 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,600 We wanted to have Agnes on for this episode to interview her because I mean, she, her 505 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,520 mother was the seamstress in Uptown Beckley. 506 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,800 So I mean, she heard all the hot gossip about this case growing up. 507 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:24,040 But with COVID, the flu and everything and everyone just getting sick, we just didn't 508 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,760 want to risk her getting sick. 509 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:26,760 Absolutely not. 510 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,760 She's basically sick. 511 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:33,160 Even if we weren't sick, she is definitely too sweet to get sick. 512 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:42,440 But that night we found out that Kendred Spirits was actually filming there the night of November 513 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,360 4th anniversary of the 75th year anniversary. 514 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:53,640 And if you want to know why I'm laughing, we literally said in the middle, the room was 515 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,280 silent. 516 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,800 We went because we were in the ballroom. 517 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,200 We went, huh, what if we just saw my car? 518 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:07,200 We zoomed by because we, we were at the murder site the night this happened. 519 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:13,200 Just to, you know, pay respect, see if we feel anything, which I mean, we didn't feel 520 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:20,160 cracked, but we were cracking up and I think people were looking at us, but you know, it's 521 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,160 fine. 522 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,440 I mean, we're a fun time. 523 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,320 We had a few fuck of cranberries in us. 524 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,320 It's all good. 525 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,160 I don't think like even a mark told us like, I don't think I really like crap. 526 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:37,160 I mean, we asked how many times like we have drove through that parking lot. 527 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:45,680 I mean, we have just zoomed by through there, everything we have said at the alleged site 528 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:54,080 of the murder, everything and really, you know, really didn't get the emotions that 529 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,880 we got at the grave site or anything. 530 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:04,680 The only thing I can say was when we went over to the federal prison, as far as we could 531 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:10,800 go over, we actually went over a little bit. 532 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:17,320 I started to get teary and I told Mark, I said, I really feel this is the area that 533 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,280 they were dumped in. 534 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:27,360 And even as driving through there and stuff, we have gotten whiffs of floral scents in 535 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:38,760 the middle of winter of like a magnolia scent that couldn't be explained. 536 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:47,600 So those are just like a few of the things that we have experienced with this case. 537 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,000 We have been back to the cemetery multiple times. 538 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:58,000 Her one sister is buried right behind her. 539 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:05,480 What if she had like three brothers and one sister, I believe. 540 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:11,320 Anyway, her one sister is buried right behind her. 541 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,280 Her one daughter is buried with her. 542 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:21,520 Yeah, she's buried right next to her. 543 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:29,600 Those are some of the things, really the last time we went, not a whole lot of strong floral 544 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,760 scents like what we got the first time that we went. 545 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,400 Was the last time we went was when we were with our friends, Cassidy and Chaz. 546 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,840 Yeah, our friends, Cassidy and Chaz, we met them during a Hanna-Beckley event and they 547 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,000 listened to Mountain State Mysteries and they got obsessed with this case just like us. 548 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:52,040 They were literally sending us articles and we're like, we know we look at it. 549 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,720 We love y'all, but we know this case from back. 550 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:56,720 Yeah. 551 00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,840 Cassidy was like, hey, do you guys care to take us? 552 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,560 I'm like, the route we're like hopping the car. 553 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,320 So we took them to raise grave. 554 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:12,720 Then we went to Nellie's show them where everyone was lined up in like a triangle. 555 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:17,440 Then we took them on the route, which funny enough, we had to stop in the middle of the 556 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,320 road on industrial drive because there was a bear in the road. 557 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,320 Yes. 558 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,360 It took us forever just because of the bear. 559 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,320 And I think it just started to rain that night. 560 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:35,400 I don't think there was really anything, but a few months ago, we did another event with 561 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:43,680 haunted Beckley with Scott Worley at the women's club and he handed us dowsing rods. 562 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,480 I think is what they're called. 563 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,880 And he's like, Nellie is said to be here from time to time just like black night. 564 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,640 So Courtney, you know, held the rods and all this and you know, we were talking no idea 565 00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:00,360 if it was Nellie or not, but those rods were moving and Courtney swear she was not moving 566 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,280 them because I've seen some people move them. 567 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,800 Is there anything else you want to add? 568 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:16,400 Still to this day, if you have any information regarding this case, do not hesitate to call 569 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,920 Crime Stoppers. 570 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,320 Get this information out there. 571 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:26,480 You can email us at Mountain State Mysteries 304 at Gmail. 572 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,120 You can message us on Facebook. 573 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,440 You can direct message us on Instagram, Tiktok, wherever we got it, you can send us a message 574 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,840 on this case because we know people in Beckley know more about this case and they want to 575 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:40,840 lead on. 576 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,680 And she does. 577 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,440 Miss Nellie does still have a daughter who's alive. 578 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,960 Oh yeah, we met her great nephew Agnes's book thing. 579 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,680 I forgot to add that. 580 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:59,640 It would just be nice if she knew some justice was done for her mama. 581 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:04,720 I mean, her great nephew helped Agnes with the book. 582 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:12,040 So her family is still, you know, hurt by this case and they just they want answers just 583 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,920 like everyone else. 584 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:22,880 And we know that it would ruin the reputation of someone or someone's family in town. 585 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,960 But if you come to us, we won't say anything. 586 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:31,480 We just want to give the closure to the family that justice they deserve. 587 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,480 I mean, it's been after all these years. 588 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,480 It would be both families too. 589 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,320 You know, I mean, I mean, after all these years, no one's going to go to jail. 590 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,320 I mean, you know, you never know. 591 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,600 But I don't care how old you are. 592 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:53,960 If you're still out there, you can be there to crime you deserve it. 593 00:46:53,960 --> 00:47:00,280 I would like to say to because where we could go on for hours. 594 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,560 We have been recording for an hour and 38 minutes. 595 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,920 I have no idea what will make it into this episode from this. 596 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,720 I might chop a few things up. 597 00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:17,520 My editing's gone better better since the first episode, so it won't be as choppy. 598 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,320 God only knows what will be added into this. 599 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,520 If there's any way that you would ever like to know more about this case, you can reach 600 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,520 out to me and Mark. 601 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,520 We'll take you on a tour. 602 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:33,080 Yeah, we'll meet you and take you up around and show you some places and things of that 603 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,080 nature. 604 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:41,280 Or you could even go and purchase Miss Agnes's book called Cover Up the Unsolved Country 605 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,280 Club Murders. 606 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:47,400 It is such a very, very well-written book. 607 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,800 It's 131 pages on this crime. 608 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,880 So I mean, you can read it in one day. 609 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,720 It's such a wonderful book. 610 00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:59,080 One day I read it in like an hour. 611 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,680 I've read it multiple times. 612 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,000 So I've read it in like a day, but over like 12 times. 613 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:13,440 But I mean, when I tell you I'm flipping through this right now, it has report of the investigation. 614 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,640 Sorry, I just got sidetracked by this book. 615 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:28,040 But I mean, I forgot that it has Nellie's report investigation on here. 616 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:34,200 So I mean, it literally has, you know, y'all, you just have to get this book. 617 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,400 I'm not going to ruin it. 618 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:36,880 You just have to get this book. 619 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:37,880 Absolutely not. 620 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:44,320 And one of the biggest things that we can say to you for our test year is thank you. 621 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,320 Yes. 622 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,760 Thank you so much for listening. 623 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,560 Again, we wouldn't be here without you guys. 624 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,360 We know you probably haven't made it this long in this episode, but we are so thankful 625 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,440 for you guys. 626 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,760 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