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Mountain State Mysteries contains adult content that may not be suitable for all audiences.

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Listener discretion is advised. I'm your host Mark and I'm Courtney and this is Mountain State Mysteries.

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Today we want to tell you the story of a couple who was enjoying a date night out in Charleston,

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West Virginia. A night that would sadly be the last time anyone would ever see them.

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This is the story of the disappearance of Maisie Mae Sigmund Palmer and the murder of Jay Farley.

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On Saturday, July 14th, 1979, 25 year old Maisie Mae Sigmund Palmer and 18 year old John

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Eric Farley, better known as Jay, so from here on out we're going to call him that,

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we're enjoying a date night in Charleston, West Virginia. The two had been seeing each other

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for a little over a month and were doing what most of the young crowd in Charleston would do

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on a Saturday night. They were going to different nightclubs and bars. They were seen

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leaving the Roaring Twenties nightclub on Hill Street. They walked together through a parking lot

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behind what used to be the Holly Hotel on Courier Street. Not too long after, the two got a ride to

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the King. Not too long after, the two got a ride to the Kings and Nightclub on Charleston's West Side.

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Maisie Mae Sigmund Palmer was born on November 24th, 1954 in Sismville, West Virginia. In 1974,

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she graduated from Sismville High School and later married Kenneth Wayne Palmer. Unfortunately,

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we could not find out much about their marriage, but we do know that just three months before her

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disappearance, the two divorced in 1979. Anyone who knew Maisie would say she was always friendly

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and very outgoing, that she was a free spirit but could sometimes be naive. Anyone who knew

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Maisie said she was always friendly and very outgoing, that she was a free spirit but could

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sometimes be naive just wanting to see the best in everyone in every situation. Maisie grew up in

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Sismville, but during the time of her disappearance, she was living with Mr. and Mrs. Ira Huber at

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901 Main Street in Charleston, West Virginia. John Eric Farley, also known as Jay, was born in

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Hurican, West Virginia in 1961. Around the age of seven, his parents would get divorced. Around the

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age of seven, his parents would get a divorce and his mother moved to Antioch, California.

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It was originally planned for Jay to join his mother and brother in California, but in 1970,

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Jay had a bicycle accident where he broke his arm and it was decided it would be best if he stayed

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in West Virginia. Jay lived with his grandmother, Desi Farley, in Dunbar, West Virginia. During the

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summer of 1979, Jay's father recalled that Jay applied for a few different jobs and someday

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wanted to join the Navy. In early June of 1979, Jay and Maisie would meet for the first time,

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either at the former Boulevard Recreation Center or the Roaring Twenties nightclub. We aren't sure

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what they labeled each other. By July of 1979, but from our research, they were dating.

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According to Jay's father in an interview from 1982,

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that Jay and Maisie had been dating for several weeks, but he wouldn't describe it as going steady.

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On Saturday, July 14, 1979, the day started as any typical day for Jay. He spent some of the

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day with his father and stepmother. He went out for a little bit and returned home around 9 p.m.

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So he could change his clothes. According to his grandmother, he changed into a pair of blue denim

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jeans, a pink, blue and white blood shirt with brown hiking boots. She asked him if he needed

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any money for the evening and Jay told her no. Around 9 30 p.m. Jay was picked up at his grandmother's

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home in Dunbar by his friend Kevin Withrow. They drove to Charleston and went to the Roaring Twenties

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nightclub that was located on the second floor of a building on Hill Street. Around 10 p.m.

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Maisie was dropped off at the Roaring Twenties by Ira Hubert. Hubert said Maisie was dressed

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in blue jeans, a pink blouse, long earrings and had a small blue purse. According to Jay's friend

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Kevin, he said that Jay went to the Roaring Twenties just to see Maisie. Just an hour later,

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around 11 p.m. Maisie and Jay were seen in Hill Street just outside of the Roaring Twenties nightclub.

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According to a friend of Jay's who was parked nearby, he asked if he could get a ride home

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to Dunbar. His friend said that he wasn't planning on leaving anytime soon. After that, Jay and Maisie

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crossed Hill Street and started walking east to Dickinson Street. A friend watched the two

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walk through an empty parking lot to Dickinson Street. To another empty parking lot, the Ham

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Walk used to be the Holly Hotel. The time was between 11 p.m. and midnight. Maisie and Jay would end

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up getting a ride with the man named Bill Cottrell who drove them to the King's Inn, which was another

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nightclub which was located on Charleston's west side at 1608 Second Avenue. Cottrell recalled

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that when he was pulling into the parking lot at the King's Inn nightclub, Maisie made the comment,

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oh, he's in there. Cottrell had no idea who she was talking about. To us, we believe this comment

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was made about her ex-husband. Cottrell believed that she did not feel the presence of this person

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to be any kind of threat as the three of them entered the nightclub. When Maisie entered the King's Inn,

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she talked to a friend from high school named Karen Carpenter who was leaving the club as they

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were walking in. Karen later said that she didn't feel like anything was different about Maisie's

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demeanor and described her as being her usual self. The three entered the club and took a table

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on the ground floor after ordering a round of drinks. Maisie excused herself and said that she

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was going to the upstairs bar to talk to someone. Jay and Cottrell stayed at the table. We can't

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help but wonder if the person she was going to talk to was the he that she mentioned before going

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into the nightclub. After finishing his drink, Jay also excused himself from the table and went to

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the upstairs bar and went to the upstairs bar. Cottrell remembered this happened at midnight

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on July 15, 1979. From what authorities put together, this was the last time both Maisie and Jay were seen alive.

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Jay and Maisie didn't return home the next morning. The Huberts weren't too concerned in the beginning

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because they knew that Maisie would often spend the night with friends after going out. Jay's family,

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on the other hand, were worried and alarmed from the beginning. Jay's friend said that he was very

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close to his family, in particular his grandmother, and that it was not like him to be gone for a length

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of time without a phone call to someone. When Jay did not return home by the morning of July 16,

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his stepmother contacted the Dunbar Police Department to report that her stepson was missing.

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Not too long after, Maisie's parents would do the same thing by contacting the Charleston Police Department.

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Jay's father said that him and Goldie, Jay's stepmother, had trouble convincing the Dunbar

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Police Department that his son was just not another runaway. In an interview with the Charleston Gazette,

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he said a missing person report was not filed until July 25, 11 days after Jay went missing.

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He also said the Dunbar Police never contacted him, that he had to do all of the calling to inquire

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if any progress had been made in the investigation. But Dunbar Police Chief,

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W.W. Wallace, said, quote, it was not a Dunbar Police case. Really, since he disappeared in

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Charleston, there was no way they could have assigned a man full-time to the case, end quote.

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Since Jay was last seen in Charleston, the Charleston Police Department also became involved

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in the investigation of the disappearance of Jay. Charleston Detective Frank Fidler was assigned

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to the case. Frank said in an interview with the Charleston Daily Mail, quote, the youth of a

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recent graduate of Dunbar High School was last seen in downtown Charleston late July 14. Fidler said

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he is six feet four inches tall, weighs 155 pounds, has light brown shoulder length hair,

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and blue eyes. He was wearing a pink, blue and white plaid shirt, blue jeans, and brown suede

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shoes when he disappeared. Fidler said that Jay was a good kid with no problems from what we can

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determine. He had no reason to leave, end quote. The investigation into the disappearance of Maisie

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was assigned to Deputy John Seymour of Canal County Sheriff's Department. Although both

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Maisie and Jay disappeared on the same night and were both reported being last seen in the same

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place, there was no connection between the two cases that were noticed by law enforcement until

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January of 1980 when both of their names entered into the National Crime Information Center. At

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first, authorities felt like they might just be looking at a simple case of two runaways. However,

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if that was the case, there would have been a major stumbling block from the very beginning.

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Neither Jay or Maisie owned a car. Maisie did have a driver's license, but Jay did not. You may

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remember that we said Jay's grandmother asked him if he needed any money and he said no.

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Police also found out that $200 to $300 that belonged to Jay's younger brother wasn't touched.

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It was made clear that Jay knew about the money because he and his younger brother

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both shared a room. So Jay would have had access to it if he had wanted to take it.

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A question that came up for both of us while doing the research on this case is that if Maisie and Jay

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were going to run away together, why did he pass up these chances to get the money? During the

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investigation, the public and authorities were divided on their opinions. Some thought that

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both Maisie and Jay both met without play that night and the other believed that they simply

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ran away together to start a new life somewhere. Soon, a rumor would become an anonymous tip to

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Jay's dad stating that his son had been killed by members of the Dunbar police department in

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effort to prevent Jay from telling what he knew about a case of police brutality he was said to

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have witnessed. According to Dunbar's chief of police, W. W. Wallace, in 1982, this rumor apparently

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came from an incident where officers at the Dunbar police department were required to use force

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against someone who was being uncooperative, who was being escorted into the Dunbar City Hall

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on a drug-related charge. The altercation reportedly ended with the person receiving

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atlaseration on their head. However, according to Wallace, no brutality suit was ever filed

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by the suspect, and therefore there was no trial where Jay could have testified. Despite this,

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Jay's father said that he felt like the Dunbar police department had been both slow and negligent

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in their investigation. Chief Wallace said that the Dunbar police department had no say in the case

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because it happened in Charleston. Jay's father said that he felt drained following these disheartening

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incidents, and he took to wandering the streets of Charleston at 3 and 4 a.m. searching for some

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small piece of information in his son's case. Despite both cases being linked in the eyes of

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the law, each investigation ended up going cold. You're listening to Mountain State Mysteries.

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A May 10, 1984, nearly five years after the disappearance of Jay and Maisie,

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and just 30 miles away, a security guard for Mar-Sin's Coal Company was making his usual rounds

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along Canalton Hollow Road. Concerned with several coal trucks due at the site had failed to arrive,

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the guard ventured from his normal routine to see if any of the trucks were stopped at the

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entrance or stuck on the road. It was near the entrance of a side road roughly 20 yards from

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the company's main road, where the security guard came up on a badly weathered set of skeletal remains.

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Even before a positive identification could be made, the Charleston Daily Mail reported,

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skeletal remains found Thursday in Fayette County are those of a man who may have been dead as long

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as five years. Dr. Irwin Sofer, Chief Medical Examiner, said the skeleton was that of a man aged

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from 20 to 24 and approximately 6 feet 2 inches tall. The man had been dead one to five years,

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so for said the only piece of clothing remaining a red and blue plaid shirt and a pair of orange

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and green athletic socks. The medical examiner would not comment whether there was evidence of

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foul play, saying such information appeared to be no damage to the skeleton.

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State Police Trooper D. R. Moore of the Gully Bridge Detachment said the skeleton was found

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between 6.30 and 7.00 a.m. Thursday, Canilton Hollow. On the surface by a road used as a secondary

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route, a security guard for a nearby coal company, coal mine operator Marsense Corp

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discovered the remains. Moore said nothing that we've had locally fits a description or ties

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the dead man with any pending area cases. Moore said. After reading this, J. Stepmother Goldie

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got in touch with state police and provided them with a set of J's dental records. On May 12, 1984,

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West Virginia Medical Center, Irvin Sofer announced that the remains had been identified

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as John Harry Carly. Sofer estimated that J had been dead between one to five years.

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Authorities noticed that the shirt found with the remains was identical to the one J had been

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seen wearing on July 14, 1979, as it was manufacturer of a polyester cotton blend.

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So J's shirt had not deteriorated over time. Police determined that J was either killed

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on or near the night he disappeared. Police were able to determine that J's hands were taped behind

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his back and that his death had occurred as a result of a shotgun wound. A single bullet slug

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was under the remains. However, the make and caliber, well known to the authorities, has never been

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made public. A search of the area where J's body had been found turned up no more evidence

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or the body of Macy May's Sigmund Palmer. While J's remains were found across the county lines

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in Fayette County, the case passed to the West Virginia State Police. Just like everyone else,

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we've wondered how J got to Fayette County from Charleston, which is a distance of 30 miles and

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about 45 minutes. We know that J couldn't drive, so how did he get there? We think he was more than

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likely driven by his killer. But if this was the case, we can't help but wonder why.

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With evidence found at the scene where J's body was found, authorities were able to construct

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a number of plausible scenarios and moved ahead with a renewed investigation.

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With everyone thinking the discovery of J's body would help solve his murder and help find

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where Macy was, both cases turned as cold as a West Virginia winter again.

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J's father never gave up hope that one day his son's case would be solved. Sadly, in 1996,

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John Farley passed away. For the family of Macy May, Sigmund Palmer, the story was just a sad.

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Macy's father, Vernon Sigmund, passed away on October 1, 1994. Her mother, Thelma Pearl,

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lived another 24 years before passing away on June 8, 2018. Today, the investigation into

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J's murder and the disappearance of Macy May are still cold. With the cases being cold,

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authorities have not given up the hope that one day maybe the clue they've been searching for

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will appear. For nearly 44 years, the families of John Eric Farley and Macy May, Sigmund Palmer

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have been searching for answers as of who killed John Eric Farley and what happened

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to Macy May, Sigmund Palmer. Someone out there knows the truth. We believe that one day,

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the cases of these two innocent people will be solved. If you have any information on the murder

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of John Eric Farley, please contact, please contact Michael Dickerson at the Gully Bridge

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Detachment of the West Virginia State Police at 304-779-2161. If you have any information on

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the disappearance of Macy May, Sigmund Palmer, please contact Michael Dickerson at the Gully

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Bridge Detachment of the West Virginia State Police at 304-779-2161 or Crime Stoppers of West

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Virginia at 304-255-7867. You will remain anonymous if you provide any tip whatsoever to help solve

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these two cases. So Courtney, do you have any final thoughts on this case? There's always

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something heartbreaking about a disappearance. I mean, I hate to say it, but I feel Jay's family

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got a little bit of closure knowing that his body was found as opposed to Macy's family who still

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do not have a clue what happened to their daughter and her parents died not knowing whatever happened

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to her. Do I feel that her ex is involved in this a little bit? I do, I honestly do.

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Honestly, you can see someone walking down the street and everything look perfect,

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but you don't know someone's home life. You don't know what someone has dealt with in their home

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life. And a lot of times people keep everything quiet and it's just disheartening. And honestly,

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I think Jay was an innocent victim. I think he was at, they're both innocent victims, but he was

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literally at the wrong place at the wrong time. I think that's really, that's my opinion about this.

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Mark, do you have any final thoughts? I like you fully believe it was the ex-husband.

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I fully believe that Macy might have saw him on the second floor, felt like she needed to go talk to

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him. Jay might have felt like she was gone too long, went up there, stood next to her, started

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talking to her. That ex-husband could have been drunk, started an argument, something like that.

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Then he could have killed Jay in the back of his car or something. Because to me, with his arms

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being duct taped, who's to say he wasn't in the back of a car or gosh? Well, where they mentioned

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his hands were taped together, he was definitely killed execution style. My father was a Marine and

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he always taught me where the kill points were on someone's body. He said you always want to aim

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directly towards the heart. The friend of the skull right here, right in the center, in the very back

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of the skull. Those are the three kill points. If you're thinking about doing that, don't do what?

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Please don't do that. My father was a Marine. Okay. This actually popped into my head while you were

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reading your part. Kanoa Falls isn't really that far from where Jay was found. If I'm thinking

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correct, I could be completely wrong. I'm not good with maps, directions, anything. It's actually

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Kanoa Falls is actually up above Smithers. So you have to drive past a little bit. Honestly,

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it's not that far from there though. I want to say maybe about 10, 15 minute drive. That's what I

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was thinking because we've done this drive before coming from Charleston, not knowing about this

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case really. But it literally just popped into my head the set of female remains that were found

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at Kanoa Falls. Could they be Maisie? I don't know if they've ever been identified or whatnot,

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but to me, there could be a good chance they could be Maisie because it's in that area.

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Also too, it makes you wonder if anybody is canned to her is still alive to where they could possibly

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provide some DNA, do a 23andMe, just something. I'm not sure. I want to say she was an only child.

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I mean, I don't know if her parents had any siblings or anything to where they could possibly get

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some of the DNA from to see, but it'd be very interesting if they did something like that.

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And I can say when we were writing down the list of our season two, Courtney and I had no idea

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that Maisie and Jay were even connected. We saw on Crime Stoppers just Maisie. We really didn't see

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anything about Jay. Then we got researching this and we're like, oh my god, this is so much bigger

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than we actually thought it was. And we just knew that we had to tell their story because it's such

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a sad story. And we really just want closure for Maisie's family just like Jay's family got it.

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I mean, it wasn't the perfect closure. No. Justice wasn't brought forth.

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But it was a little bit of closure. Is the stepmother still alive?

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I want to say possibly. I tried to, I looked up on Find a Grave and I want to say she possibly is

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still alive because I didn't see her name in there anywhere. But I'm not sure if it's him and his first

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wife or him and his second wife that are buried next to each other. Because I do want to say him

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and Goldie did split up for a little bit, but they got back together during all of this.

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