1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,440 Mountain State Mysteries contains adult content that may not be suitable for all audiences. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:12,480 Listener discretion is advised. I'm your host Mark and I'm Courtney and this is Mountain State 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:42,320 Mysteries, a look back on season 1. 4 00:00:42,480 --> 00:01:03,360 Welcome to a new bonus episode where we are going to take a look back on all of the cases we 5 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:08,640 covered in season 1 of Mountain State Mysteries. We really can't start this episode without 6 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:14,160 thanking all of our listeners. Because of you, we reached places that we never thought we would. 7 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,760 Without you, we really wouldn't be getting ready for season 2. 8 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,640 So Courtney, are you ready to talk about the cases from season 1? 9 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:28,560 You bet. Our first episode murders at the country club, the double murder of Nellie May Rand and 10 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:35,200 Elmer Ray Bailey. I think it's safe to say this case holds a very special place in our hearts. 11 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,400 I'd be lying if I say we didn't talk about it almost every single day now. 12 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:44,960 I would honestly agree that this right here is the case that holds a special place in our heart. 13 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:50,160 This is one that we have been most invested in. I can honestly say this is the one that we have 14 00:01:50,160 --> 00:02:01,280 spent the most time on. To this day, we still go out and we still make the strive. We still research 15 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:09,360 more and more and more upon this case. Anything that is involved with this case, 16 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,640 you can almost say that we're there. Right, Mark? 17 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,240 And now with the Kindred Spirits episode that's out, 18 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:23,440 and a new book by the amazing author Agnes Keatley, there's new pieces to the puzzle of 19 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:29,760 this case being put together. We actually got to meet Agnes at the showing of Kindred Spirits 20 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:36,560 at the Black Knight and she is one of the sweetest women we've ever met. She told us about her book 21 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:42,960 and told us that we need to come to her book signing. We kept it word and we went in the very 22 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:51,520 first thing she said to us was when are we going to record? So in one of our future episodes, 23 00:02:51,520 --> 00:03:01,680 Agnes will be appearing on here with us and we're actually going to go more in depth 24 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:08,480 about Nellie and Ray's case. Court, we also have to mention how we got to meet Nellie's great nephew. 25 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,800 He was a super nice guy and talked a little bit about the case with us 26 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:22,080 and how we were actually in the same room as Ray's great niece but we just didn't know it at the time. 27 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:30,800 Episode two, missing the soldier on Bolt Mountain, James Lee Haynes. I think it's safe to say we've 28 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:37,600 both known this story our entire lives growing up hearing about it, knowing people who confessions 29 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:44,800 happen to him. You know it's crazy to think like there comes a point where we have just 30 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:53,200 simply passed where he was murdered and at times you don't even really think about oh this is someone's 31 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,600 murder spot or anything of that nature but it's definitely changing now especially when 32 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:14,000 you drive over the mountain you go past where things supposedly happened and in the end you 33 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,760 still don't even begin to have an ounce of a clue whatever happened to him. Right I think you know 34 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:26,880 it's also safe to say this is one case the ball was dropped on. Having three men going around 35 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:32,640 and bragging about what they did but sadly not having enough evidence to tie them to the case 36 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:43,280 it's just something I absolutely hate. Our third case was the tragic murder of Elizabeth May Williams 37 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:55,360 AG. This case actually happened in our family's hometown of Oceana and after our case was actually 38 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:04,480 aired I received a message from a woman who has a very close family friend and how she went to 39 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:13,440 school with the killer's brother so it kind of hit home a little bit on that one because 40 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:21,600 it was a little bit more personal at that given moment. Crazy enough my cousin's grandfather 41 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,880 was a constable at the time which for anyone that doesn't know what that is it's basically just a cop 42 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:35,920 he always said that it was a bloody scene and that the way they knew he put the hatchet in the box 43 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:41,360 is because he had to open the box with the hatchet and the box was absolutely covered up in blood. 44 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:47,200 And another thing too that this is another case that was definitely the ball was dropped on 45 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:54,320 because I don't feel this the murderer got enough time for what he did. 46 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:04,480 Our fourth case which is most difficult case that we have covered is the case of baby Christian 47 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:12,800 and both of us trying to get through this case was extremely hard. 48 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:25,200 I feel so much injustice was done on this for the baby how so many years later they still 49 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:34,880 do not know who baby Christian belongs to. I mean I feel now with the way that we are able to use 50 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:46,160 23 and me and how that right there single handedly has brought so many killers and have given the 51 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:53,040 family so much more peace now. I mean you look at it 23 and me is what helped solve the murders 52 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:58,960 out in California that were going on that. Golden State Killer. Yeah the Golden State Killer I mean 53 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,920 that was what was used to be able to track down the murder and I just feel now that maybe 54 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:11,280 if there was a way to be able to get DNA from baby Christian maybe they can run that and use 55 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:18,880 that site or something of that nature to try to tie in. I would also like to say too that this right 56 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:34,800 here is a case that I will always bring up if you have postpartum depression do not hesitate to reach 57 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:44,160 out to your doctor and get the help that you need. I'm a very firm believer that your mental health 58 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:52,560 is very important and I always seek treatment for your mental health because that is so important 59 00:07:53,680 --> 00:08:01,520 and you know we just want you to receive help. I really think when you take a trip to Harpers Ferry 60 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:08,400 and visit his grave for weeks after this case was released I was still looking into info on it and 61 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:14,000 I mean it was hard to come back because I mean there really isn't much which I don't know if they're 62 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:20,640 keeping it close to the vest or if they're just not really looking into it but it's just never 63 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:27,040 set right with me how someone could just do that to a baby like like you said there's so many more 64 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:34,640 options than just tossing him over the bridge and like you I really wish they would do 23 and me 65 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:44,640 and just lock the people up that did this to him. Missing Cretchen Fleming which was our first bonus 66 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:52,560 episode which was also my first solo episode I can still remember the day like it was yesterday 67 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:58,880 it was a Tuesday and I was on my way home from work I texted Courtney I'm like hey we really 68 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:05,040 need to cover this case I want to say you were out of town at the time I'm not too sure I think 69 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:12,400 you might have been at your mom's where you were working um I was out of town working yeah so I ended 70 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:18,560 up plugging everything up and recording in my closet editing it and posting it like right 71 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:24,560 before I had to lay down and basically sleep a little bit before I went back to work um one thing 72 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:30,800 about this case is a lady that I work with actually lives in Parkersburg and her daughter 73 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:36,400 actually went to school with Gretchen. No way. Yeah I didn't know that part. They have their own 74 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:43,280 theory on what they think happened to her and it's a theory that I've had for a long time but 75 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:53,520 she had told me that there was people coming out of the woodworks on this girl's case right here 76 00:09:53,520 --> 00:10:04,720 um personally um my personal personal belief is I honestly feel that she was sex trafficked 77 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:12,800 I really do um I pray to God that this girl is safe and that there's nothing 78 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:20,080 happened to her I honestly really do. I say it looks different I know that sounds awful like 79 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:26,160 I wish she would be finding stuff but I don't know I just feel like it's another 80 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:36,240 Judy Petty case and that is just going to go under the cuff. Case number five the murder 81 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:43,600 of David Van. I can honestly say that both of us can agree with this right here that this was the 82 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:55,360 hardest case for us to cover. Not so much because of what happened is because there is no information 83 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:05,760 on the case that took place in 2016. Right I mean we dug and dug no newspaper articles 84 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:14,720 really no articles online but we actually went to go visit the crime scene and we took my dad 85 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:21,440 because he knows Lake Stevens like the back of his hand and when I tell you he got invested in this 86 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:29,680 case right then and there I'll just say the crime scene makes no sense. He would have had 87 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:35,440 it been right in plain sight right in the open someone would have had a scene something going on 88 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:42,720 and just to think that he was murdered and no one saw it makes absolutely no sense to me 89 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:50,720 and a few months later Courtney and I was actually going out I'm not sure if we were doing research 90 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:57,280 or if we was just going to get food or something I honestly can't remember but I actually ended 91 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:03,840 up getting a message over Facebook and that message made it so clear as to what happened 92 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:12,080 and other things about him that I believe this case will never be solved. And I would just like 93 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:24,560 to really honestly throw this out here when we say we research we research I mean with this case 94 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:35,840 in particular we have actually made how many jobs with this case going from Harbor Freight to Lake 95 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:42,880 Stevens and we have traveled multiple ways that we remotely thought that he could have went. 96 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:54,400 I want to say maybe five it's not as much as Nellie and Ray but it has to be at least five. 97 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:05,760 And also another thing is too when we do research we go to the library we we do newspaper subscriptions 98 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:15,040 anything that we can find about a case we we bring it out we will do anything that we can to make 99 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:22,720 sure that these cases are the best possible when we present them. This one oh it was hard it was 100 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:31,680 really hard it was really hard really really really hard. Episode six serial killer Harry 101 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:38,240 Powers part one I wish I could say we didn't get wrapped up in this case but just like every other 102 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:45,200 case we basically look at it religiously we talk about it and on top like you would think our text 103 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:51,520 would be like hey where are you doing later no it's murder murder case case case and then every now 104 00:13:51,520 --> 00:14:00,720 then there's a bit of stupidity thrown in there. That is true but I mean it was just crazy like how 105 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:07,360 much stuff was on this case and we would literally send pictures of him to each other and hope it's 106 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:13,040 safe to say we still need to take a trip to Clarksburg to go to the museum we haven't been able to do 107 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:19,360 it yet because of our work schedules you know we've been sick on and off we've had other things go on 108 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:28,240 in life and we just we honestly just need to go because I want to see what they have in his little 109 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:37,760 archive and in his little exhibit. Yes and I mean one of my absolute favorite things that this man 110 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:48,160 was ever called that to this day it still cracks me up is flyby face well-dressed man. 111 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:54,240 It's legit one of the best things I've heard. It is it's honestly one of the best and the first 112 00:14:54,240 --> 00:15:01,280 time we heard him called that way unreal um I think this is another case that I actually 113 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:06,800 researched and brought up to you. Yeah you're the one that brought it up. It was so crazy like when 114 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:13,840 I was going through all this. She like we have enough cases that she has sent me that we would be 115 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:21,280 good for season three. Yeah possibly season four. We like gave back to it we did a lot of research 116 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:26,480 and we found different things but what stuck out to me the most about this is when he was framed 117 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:36,000 and noted as the first serial killer in the United States. And one crazy thing is he's actually not 118 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:45,120 the first lonely hearts killer there was actually a man and woman yeah who was also um killers I 119 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:51,280 want to say I heard it on crime junkie like back in the day and then it just clicked one day yeah I'm 120 00:15:51,280 --> 00:16:01,840 like oh my god yeah yeah. So episode seven was serial killer Harry Powers part two it was also 121 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:11,600 my second solo episode because Courtney was out with the flu then COVID. Yes um when that episode 122 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:18,960 was recorded um we actually pushed it back for a few days because I had the flu 123 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:26,080 in the end right about the time that I started getting over the flu three days later I got diagnosed 124 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:34,560 with COVID and I was sick for 10 days. I think I was at bingo when you sent me your text you sent 125 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:42,960 me a picture of your results and I'm like well this is gonna be a solo one again. He was like do you 126 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:52,000 want me to wait and I was like no just go ahead do it just do it I don't want to keep the people 127 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:59,440 waiting any longer. And recording this was a struggle I kept having technical difficulty issues to 128 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:05,840 the point where I had just had to buy a new microphone because mine like you could plug it up into my 129 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:10,640 phone and it just it wasn't recording you could plug it into my laptop it wasn't recording so I 130 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:20,000 just bought a new microphone but then I realized I made this episode longer than part one so by 131 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:27,120 the end of it I was just happy to have a story told. It was it was very difficult very in depth 132 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:38,480 um case because upon research upon this um we actually discovered that Raffer University 133 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:46,800 actually uses him in part of their psychology studies and we were actually able to gain a lot 134 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:59,040 information from the studies that Raffer University done. Episode eight was the murder of Walter Eugene 135 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:07,920 Crum. This right here in all honesty this was the case that never in a million years did we think 136 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:15,360 a backstory would come out the way a backstory came out on this episode. And I actually never 137 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:20,400 knew about this case but you're the one that sent me it and I'm like wait when did this happen? 138 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:30,400 Yeah this was a case that brought out sexual allegations rape allegations corruption I mean 139 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:40,720 you name it it was in this case and we grained it as much information as we had on this case it was 140 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:46,640 also a very difficult one for us to cover. Because most articles were just the same thing so we were 141 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:55,520 just kind of like putting the pieces of the puzzle together and yeah. It was it was a very very 142 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:02,640 difficult case to get through on that one right there um I can honestly say that case actually 143 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:12,640 brought me rage um with it because of other allegations that had came out. When Courtney 144 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:19,280 brought it to the table when we were brainstorming I did this for season one I didn't believe any of 145 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:24,480 this would be like I think I figured it would be just like he got shot it would be the end. 146 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:36,240 I was wrong I didn't think there would be this amount of corruption with it and you know I do 147 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:43,920 believe there's always a motive to murder no matter what but do believe tennis is getting away with 148 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:51,680 it I do believe that he knew what he was doing and I just believe he did have a motive for it at 149 00:19:51,680 --> 00:20:03,840 the end of the day. Episode nine murdered Elvizona Hester Shoe the Greenberry Ghost our first real 150 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:12,960 dip into the crime and paranormal I know we talked about it in James Lee Haynes but this one 151 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:20,240 took the cake we've known this story our entire lives growing up we've passed the marker that's 152 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:27,680 on the side of the highway but in all honesty I think I can say for the both of us we really didn't 153 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:36,800 know this case as as well as we thought and I mean there's still stuff that I didn't even add into 154 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:45,200 our episode that happened in the story and I mean it's absolutely crazy. I mean everything from 155 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:55,600 the man being abusive to all the previous marriages he had had wanting a certain amount of 156 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:06,720 lives before he died yeah all that right there and this is still the only case that is known 157 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:15,440 from where a ghost actually helped convict a man of murder I mean it's still it it's one of the 158 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:24,000 most mind-blowing cases that we've had. Our latest episode episode 10 the mysterious death of Judy 159 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:32,000 Patty I honestly don't think we really need a touch on it because it's so fresh but I can definitely 160 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:40,640 say for a season finale this was another tough one it was hard to find information on it like this 161 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:48,000 I think a lot of balls were dropped in different courts so I just hope one day that her case can 162 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:54,080 really be solved and that her and her family gets the justice that is deserved. I'm just gonna put 163 00:21:54,080 --> 00:22:04,160 this out there one last time somebody knows exactly who done it that's all I'm gonna say. 164 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:12,400 I think it's safe to say that season one was a wild ride I'm looking forward to season two 165 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:19,840 we've been doing so much research on the case and visiting a few places on it. This is a case 166 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:25,280 we've been passionate about for years and seeing things pop up here and there 167 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:31,600 we knew it was the right time to cover it. We don't want to give the case away just yet 168 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:40,480 so we will leave you with a hint it happened in the 1990s. Stay tuned for our state haunt series 169 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:52,320 coming soon. 170 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:23,440 If you find yourself enjoying mountain state mysteries take a second to rate it on your 171 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:30,800 favorite podcasting service. It helps others find good true crime podcasts. Don't forget to follow 172 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:42,640 us on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, and wherever you listen to podcasts.