1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Mountain State Mysteries contains adult content that may not be suitable for all audiences. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,400 Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,280 I'm your host Marc. 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:11,600 And I'm Courtney. 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:37,600 And this is Mountain State Mysteries. 6 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:53,160 Welcome to the season one finale of Mountain State Mysteries. 7 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:56,720 We're going to be doing things a little different for this episode. 8 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,840 I know this story and will be telling it to your listeners and Courtney for the first 9 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,240 time today. 10 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:07,360 This is the story of the mysterious death of Judith Paddy. 11 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:15,280 On Wednesday, February 6, 2008, around 5 p.m., 48-year-old Judith Paddy, who also went by 12 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:20,400 Judy, so I will call her Judy from here on out, left her grandmother's house to return 13 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,400 some books and DVDs to the local library. 14 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:29,520 Instead of driving, she decided to walk the seven miles to the Wood County Library. 15 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,360 By 8 p.m., when Judy had not returned, her family started to worry. 16 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:40,000 The Paddy family contacted the local police department and started a search of their own. 17 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,600 Sadly that night, they couldn't find Judy. 18 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,520 Judy's remains were found two days later in the basement of a sailor on her family's 19 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,680 farm 13 miles away from her grandmother's house. 20 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:58,240 Was it 13 miles total or was it including where she went to the library? 21 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,240 13 miles total. 22 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,760 It's pretty long distance. 23 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,320 You're telling me that they found her remains? 24 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,760 You heard that right. 25 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,040 The house and the surrounding buildings burnt to the ground. 26 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:14,520 The fire was so hot that what started the fire is still undetermined to this day. 27 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,400 No one knows why or how Judy ended up on the family farm. 28 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,400 I'm not trying to sound horrible or anything of that nature, but you're telling me to 29 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:30,720 this day that they still cannot figure out what caused the fire and they can easily pinpoint 30 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,320 what started the fire or something like that. 31 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:39,120 It's like, oh my God, it was a random little match that just mysteriously went up. 32 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,560 I think it's just because it was so hot. 33 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,640 I'm not honestly too sure. 34 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:50,800 I know that in the podcast Safe Haven, the murder of Judith Paddy, they actually are 35 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:59,040 having an arson expert and a fire chief and all that look into it more than what's ever 36 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,200 been looked into. 37 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:06,720 I know I'm not saying as of right now, no, there's like no way of them to know, but soon 38 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:07,720 there could be. 39 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:12,520 I mean, honestly, I'm not trying to sound stupid, but there's pretty much like they 40 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,560 can pinpoint if it's arson. 41 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,240 I mean, it's just one of those things. 42 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,000 They can pinpoint it. 43 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:24,000 And I just right now at this way, the sounds this right here also just shows that this 44 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,440 right wasn't like done right. 45 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,640 It wasn't done right at all. 46 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:35,360 Not much is known about the final hours of Judy's life. 47 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:41,120 One thing that is known is that Judy was seen walking on Laurel Creek Road as the sun was 48 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,920 setting. 49 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,960 Everyone knew Judy loved to walk and that she preferred it over driving even though 50 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,840 she did have a car. 51 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:55,440 But by 8 30, just three hours and 30 minutes after Judy left, her family got worried. 52 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:00,720 When Judy didn't have her cell phone, they were afraid that she had a hypoglycemic attack 53 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,120 without any way of contacting them. 54 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:10,240 Around 10 p.m. Judy's family contacted the Parkersburg Police Department to file a missing 55 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,880 persons report. 56 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:18,600 Shockingly, they were told that no report could be made until it's been 24 hours. 57 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,000 To me, if someone has a medical condition, it's bull. 58 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,440 But they get told they have to wait 24 hours. 59 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,720 In all honesty, I think it's bull. 60 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,640 If anyone goes missing, they get told they have to wait 24 hours and basically go look 61 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,320 for themselves. 62 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:41,360 To me, if they would have went and looked automatically, Judy could technically be here right now 63 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,560 and we wouldn't have to tell her story. 64 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,280 I just, I'm already getting frustrated. 65 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:51,520 With her family being told that, they decided that it was best for them to just go out and 66 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,640 search for Judy on their own. 67 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:58,960 Starting at her grandmother's home, that was located on 36th Street, better known as 68 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,400 Old St. Mary's Pike. 69 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,760 Her father knew it was basically a direct route to the family farm. 70 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,400 He concentrated his search to the east. 71 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:14,240 For hours, Judy's father drove the back roads of Parkersburg that would lead to the family 72 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,440 farm. 73 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,880 He actually stopped at the gate to the farm a few times, not seeing anything or any signs 74 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:21,880 of Judy. 75 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,800 So he decided not to drive up to the farm. 76 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:36,440 He continued driving on the back roads until around 2am. 77 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:52,040 After listening to Melon State Mysteries. 78 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:57,760 At 7am the next morning, Judy's father decided to drive the back roads again, where he ended 79 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,040 up at the gate of the farm again. 80 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,120 This time, he decided he would try to drive up the road to the farm. 81 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:09,520 He made it about half the way up, and he had to park his truck and make the rest of the 82 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,120 trip on foot. 83 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:16,160 When he made it up to the top of the hill, he saw the farmhouse and the outbuilding have 84 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,240 been consumed by fire. 85 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:24,200 Mr. Petty ran to a nearby house to grab a cell phone and ran back up the hill to calm 86 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:25,440 911. 87 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:30,880 In an interview with the podcast Safe Haven, the unsolved murderer Judith Petty, her father 88 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,920 said there was no cell service at the bottom of the hill, so he had to go back up to the 89 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,360 top where there was service. 90 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:39,960 I got a question here. 91 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:47,040 If he went to a nearby house to get a cell phone, whose house did he go to? 92 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,320 That I'm not sure. 93 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:53,040 By the time that this went around, cell phones were just then becoming popular, service really 94 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,360 did suck. 95 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,200 Not too long after he called, all units began to arrive at the foot of the hill. 96 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:05,240 Sadly, with how wet the driveway was, it was basically impossible for the fire department 97 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,840 and others to make it up the hill. 98 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:12,600 Using a brush truck, a few firefighters were able to make it up the hill. 99 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:18,800 However, they basically told the Petty's that all they could do is let the fire burn out. 100 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,960 Judith's family couldn't understand why they couldn't figure out a way to hook a hose up 101 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,560 to something and get water out of a pond that was behind the house. 102 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,840 Years later, the house and the outbuilding have been burned to the ground. 103 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:37,120 Chief Danny Goodwin, with the Wood County Fire Investigation Team, said right then and 104 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:42,560 there that it would likely be impossible to determine the cause of the fire. 105 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,760 With all of this happening at the family's farm, Judith's family was still left with 106 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,760 the question of where was Judy? 107 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:55,800 Her disappearance had been broadcasted all over the radio stations and the local news 108 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,300 stations. 109 00:07:57,300 --> 00:08:00,360 So they didn't even check in there for remains. 110 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,360 On February 9th, the search of the cellar started. 111 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,680 This is when they found the burned remains of Judy Petty, crawled up in a corner just 112 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:19,520 at the bottom of the steps. 113 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:33,440 They're listening to Mountain State Mysteries. 114 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,760 Judy's remains were burned so bad the only way authorities were able to identify her 115 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:45,720 remains was by her dental records, with the information getting around the town of Parkersburg. 116 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,580 Some believe that Judy made her way up to the family farm and started a fire because 117 00:08:50,580 --> 00:08:52,980 of how cold it was at night. 118 00:08:52,980 --> 00:08:58,940 However, it's said that the house had electricity in it at the time so Judy could have just 119 00:08:58,940 --> 00:09:00,580 turned the heat on. 120 00:09:00,580 --> 00:09:05,860 Judy's autopsy showed that there was no carbon monoxide in her lungs, showing the medical 121 00:09:05,860 --> 00:09:09,740 examiner that she was dead before the fire even started. 122 00:09:09,740 --> 00:09:15,020 The medical examiner's office labeled Judy's death as extremely suspicious. 123 00:09:15,020 --> 00:09:16,620 You don't say. 124 00:09:16,620 --> 00:09:21,980 After that, Judy's remains were sent to the Smithsonian for further examination, which 125 00:09:21,980 --> 00:09:28,140 showed that the damage done to Judy's bones had more than likely been caused by the fire. 126 00:09:28,140 --> 00:09:33,300 Okay, now I'm just going to say this much right now. 127 00:09:33,300 --> 00:09:35,380 That don't make no sense. 128 00:09:35,380 --> 00:09:40,220 I mean, could the Smithsonian had determined what happened to her? 129 00:09:40,220 --> 00:09:41,720 Sadly, no. 130 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,180 But here's what I'm going to say. 131 00:09:44,180 --> 00:09:51,300 When they do cremation, the bones do not burn. 132 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:57,180 They have to crush them because they will not burn. 133 00:09:57,180 --> 00:10:06,340 So you're telling me that that fire caused so much damage to her bones that they could 134 00:10:06,340 --> 00:10:10,100 not determine what happened to her. 135 00:10:10,100 --> 00:10:11,620 Sadly, no. 136 00:10:11,620 --> 00:10:16,380 On the night Judy died, two children were killed in another house fire. 137 00:10:16,380 --> 00:10:20,460 Maybe we had a little arsonist on the loose or something like that. 138 00:10:20,460 --> 00:10:24,300 It none of this makes sense. 139 00:10:24,300 --> 00:10:27,540 I just don't think that they could be related to you. 140 00:10:27,540 --> 00:10:28,540 No. 141 00:10:28,540 --> 00:10:33,500 The reason I'm actually telling you this is that during the following week, Judy's 142 00:10:33,500 --> 00:10:38,460 remains were actually mixed up with the children's and she was buried in the wrong spot. 143 00:10:38,460 --> 00:10:41,380 How in the hell did that happen? 144 00:10:41,380 --> 00:10:42,380 Is he right? 145 00:10:42,380 --> 00:10:44,300 Damn straight it is. 146 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:49,460 In the podcast Safe Haven, her mother said they only found out when it was put in the 147 00:10:49,460 --> 00:10:54,340 newspaper the morning of the day they were going to have a service for Judy. 148 00:10:54,340 --> 00:10:58,820 And the one thing everyone was worried about is if the family was going to sue them. 149 00:10:58,820 --> 00:11:01,540 Her mother said, we just want our daughter. 150 00:11:01,540 --> 00:11:03,100 We don't want to sue anyone. 151 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:07,540 So I've got another question. 152 00:11:07,540 --> 00:11:20,300 Now, do you mistake adult bones with children's bones? 153 00:11:20,300 --> 00:11:23,180 That I don't know. 154 00:11:23,180 --> 00:11:29,020 I need somebody here to explain this to me because you knew I was going to have 50 million 155 00:11:29,020 --> 00:11:30,020 questions. 156 00:11:30,020 --> 00:11:32,260 I don't know what you're talking about. 157 00:11:32,260 --> 00:11:40,420 If there was a mix up, how did her body end up, her bones end up at the Smithsonian? 158 00:11:40,420 --> 00:11:41,900 She went to the Smithsonian before. 159 00:11:41,900 --> 00:11:47,860 But even when they come back, how do her bones get mixed up? 160 00:11:47,860 --> 00:11:51,260 I guess there was like one funeral home or something Parker's part. 161 00:11:51,260 --> 00:11:52,260 I'm not sure. 162 00:11:52,260 --> 00:11:54,780 And they were both at the same funeral home. 163 00:11:54,780 --> 00:12:02,460 But you're telling me that you've got bones laying there and there's quite an obvious 164 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:12,540 difference between children's and grown as adults bones and they get mixed up. 165 00:12:12,540 --> 00:12:18,980 So one of the biggest questions is, did she walk to the library? 166 00:12:18,980 --> 00:12:21,980 Did somebody pick her up? 167 00:12:21,980 --> 00:12:24,380 So with that, they still aren't sure about it. 168 00:12:24,380 --> 00:12:28,460 They still have no idea if Judy actually walked to the library or if someone picked 169 00:12:28,460 --> 00:12:29,900 her up. 170 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:35,300 Like I said before, there is a witness who saw Judy on Laurel Creek Road miles away from 171 00:12:35,300 --> 00:12:37,220 her grandmother's house. 172 00:12:37,220 --> 00:12:42,960 From Laurel Creek Road, they think Judy could have taken Elman Hill Road and walked onto 173 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,540 Jericho Road. 174 00:12:44,540 --> 00:12:49,060 Now from here, it's said that Judy walked a little bit then accepted a ride from a guy 175 00:12:49,060 --> 00:12:50,380 named Chris. 176 00:12:50,380 --> 00:12:56,100 Just said he only drove Judy about one third mile and dropped her off at the driveway of 177 00:12:56,100 --> 00:12:57,540 her family farm. 178 00:12:57,540 --> 00:13:02,220 He said that Judy seemed to be acting normal and that there was no sign of distress. 179 00:13:02,220 --> 00:13:06,660 If you listen to the Safe Haven podcast, they will get more into Chris. 180 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:11,780 So from the gate, Judy would have walked up the muddy driveway to the family farm. 181 00:13:11,780 --> 00:13:16,940 I'm just curious, did anybody else see her with him? 182 00:13:16,940 --> 00:13:23,660 No, but a few people did offer Judy a ride, but she declined, each and every person, other 183 00:13:23,660 --> 00:13:24,660 than Chris. 184 00:13:24,660 --> 00:13:31,700 I'm just curious, if she knew him, did she know anybody else offered a ride? 185 00:13:31,700 --> 00:13:36,700 I forgot, oh jeez, so many questions. 186 00:13:36,700 --> 00:13:37,700 That we're not sure about. 187 00:13:37,700 --> 00:13:42,060 I'm going to say Chris said that he didn't know her, but that he's seen her walking 188 00:13:42,060 --> 00:13:43,660 around. 189 00:13:43,660 --> 00:13:49,980 But it's said that Judy had on a jean jacket and steel-toed boots, so maybe she was just 190 00:13:49,980 --> 00:13:54,820 cold and maybe she was tired and just decided to take a ride from him. 191 00:13:54,820 --> 00:14:02,260 And it is definitely confirmed that she walked up to the farm. 192 00:14:02,260 --> 00:14:07,980 Yes, Judy's dad said that he actually saw a footprint in the muddy driveway, which to 193 00:14:07,980 --> 00:14:13,620 me, if he could only make it up halfway, I don't see another person being able to make 194 00:14:13,620 --> 00:14:14,620 it up the driveway. 195 00:14:14,620 --> 00:14:21,460 Well, I understand that right there, but are they sure that it's even her footprints? 196 00:14:21,460 --> 00:14:23,900 See that, I'm not sure yet. 197 00:14:23,900 --> 00:14:27,540 I'm not sure if they took an imprint of it to see. 198 00:14:27,540 --> 00:14:29,020 Evidently not. 199 00:14:29,020 --> 00:14:32,140 Was it anybody even like seeing the flames? 200 00:14:32,140 --> 00:14:37,740 Well, when Judy's dad walked up on the burnt house, there were still two feet of flames 201 00:14:37,740 --> 00:14:39,420 coming from the debris. 202 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:44,180 The only things neighbors remember were dogs barking like crazy. 203 00:14:44,180 --> 00:14:46,860 They couldn't see any flames. 204 00:14:46,860 --> 00:14:53,180 So it was that well protected around that barn to where nobody could see flames. 205 00:14:53,180 --> 00:14:55,860 You could not see a glaze. 206 00:14:55,860 --> 00:15:00,420 Which I will say from like Google Earth, it is like surrounded by woods and all that. 207 00:15:00,420 --> 00:15:04,140 But still, it's February. 208 00:15:04,140 --> 00:15:06,900 There are no leaves on the trees. 209 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:07,900 Was it pine trees? 210 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:09,900 I'm not sure. 211 00:15:09,900 --> 00:15:24,900 I mean, things of that nature, you can pinpoint a glow in the night. 212 00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:40,140 We're listening to Mount Stade Mysteries. 213 00:15:40,140 --> 00:15:46,860 According to the official Fire Marshals report, it says the ground between the house and the 214 00:15:46,860 --> 00:15:49,540 outbuilding wasn't burnt. 215 00:15:49,540 --> 00:15:55,220 So either the flames jumped or someone set both of the buildings on fire after they killed 216 00:15:55,220 --> 00:15:56,220 Judy. 217 00:15:56,220 --> 00:16:00,700 So how far was in between the buildings? 218 00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:05,980 It was 32 feet and there was a camper right next to the outbuilding that wasn't touched 219 00:16:05,980 --> 00:16:07,620 by flames. 220 00:16:07,620 --> 00:16:12,420 But there was a motorcycle and a truck that were burnt. 221 00:16:12,420 --> 00:16:18,300 Along with that, the report also says that Judy's body was laying east to south. 222 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:22,660 Her head appearing to be east and her feet to the south. 223 00:16:22,660 --> 00:16:27,860 So to put a picture in everyone's head, Judy's head would have been next to the wall with 224 00:16:27,860 --> 00:16:30,380 her feet closer to the steps. 225 00:16:30,380 --> 00:16:36,300 They can figure all that out, but they can't figure out how this fire started. 226 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:41,180 I mean, they figured it out because her remains were there. 227 00:16:41,180 --> 00:16:44,700 But this right here is his, her body was curled up. 228 00:16:44,700 --> 00:16:50,460 I know there's no pictures of her remains, but where her remains were. 229 00:16:50,460 --> 00:16:57,460 So I'm thinking that possibly maybe she could have been in the fetal position or something 230 00:16:57,460 --> 00:16:59,020 that makes the most sense to me. 231 00:16:59,020 --> 00:17:04,260 So like I said before, I'm not sure if the fire jumped or if someone set the two buildings 232 00:17:04,260 --> 00:17:09,620 on fire at different times just to have the evidence of a murder. 233 00:17:09,620 --> 00:17:14,060 It's still not said if Chris had anything to do with it or not. 234 00:17:14,060 --> 00:17:17,500 All he says is that he just dropped her off and left. 235 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:21,740 He's always been helpful to the police and everyone who's had any questions. 236 00:17:21,740 --> 00:17:47,820 Not for me, I'm not ruling him out just yet. 237 00:17:47,820 --> 00:17:54,260 For 15 years, Judy's family has grieved the loss of a life taken far too soon. 238 00:17:54,260 --> 00:17:59,820 The pain is only amplified by the lack of answers surrounding her death. 239 00:17:59,820 --> 00:18:04,940 Someone out there knows something that could help detectives solve this case and give Judy 240 00:18:04,940 --> 00:18:06,700 the justice she deserves. 241 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:12,020 If that person is listening to the podcast or if you know anything about the strange 242 00:18:12,020 --> 00:18:17,940 death of Judy Petty in 2008, it's time to speak up. 243 00:18:17,940 --> 00:18:24,140 If you have any information on the death of Judy Petty, please call the Wood County, 244 00:18:24,140 --> 00:18:34,420 West Virginia Prosecuting Attorney Office at 304-424-1776. 245 00:18:34,420 --> 00:18:46,020 Or you can call the American Military University's Cold Case Tip Line at 224-225-5208. 246 00:18:46,020 --> 00:18:52,460 To learn more about Judy's case, listen to the podcast, Safe Haven, The Unsolved Murder 247 00:18:52,460 --> 00:19:20,940 of Judith Petty, wherever you listen to podcasts. 248 00:19:52,460 --> 00:20:11,060 Courtney, do you have any final thoughts on this case? 249 00:20:11,060 --> 00:20:15,780 I've never been so frustrated by a case. 250 00:20:15,780 --> 00:20:21,340 This is honestly one of the most frustrating ones I have ever listened to. 251 00:20:21,340 --> 00:20:27,780 I'm sure that it has been very well vocalized about this. 252 00:20:27,780 --> 00:20:37,700 It's just, I feel our justice system fails the victims so much. 253 00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:42,260 I feel that she has failed in every aspect about this. 254 00:20:42,260 --> 00:20:47,780 I definitely feel that she has failed by the investigators. 255 00:20:47,780 --> 00:20:55,660 I feel this poor woman's life was ended way too early. 256 00:20:55,660 --> 00:21:03,460 And I just feel, I just honestly, I just feel every single bit of this has just been failed. 257 00:21:03,460 --> 00:21:07,100 It's just been a failure. 258 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:16,660 And it upsets me because we have come so far with technology now to help with solving 259 00:21:16,660 --> 00:21:19,180 murders. 260 00:21:19,180 --> 00:21:26,700 I mean, people now, you can take a 23 a May and they can find a murderer. 261 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:33,020 But you can't find the cause of a fire? 262 00:21:33,020 --> 00:21:39,140 No, it's just, it's frustrating. 263 00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:43,340 I'm just extremely frustrated with this case. 264 00:21:43,340 --> 00:21:47,620 100% frustrated. 265 00:21:47,620 --> 00:21:50,500 Mark the Honey Thoughts. 266 00:21:50,500 --> 00:21:53,700 In the beginning, I had no idea about this case. 267 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:59,020 A few months ago, I came across the podcast, Safe Haven. 268 00:21:59,020 --> 00:22:03,460 Let me tell you, Melissa, Justin, and Jennifer have been hitting the ground running with 269 00:22:03,460 --> 00:22:04,860 this case. 270 00:22:04,860 --> 00:22:12,820 There is so much that they have found out that was not said in 2008, that was not released. 271 00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:20,180 They are basically leaving no stone unturned when it comes to Judy's case. 272 00:22:20,180 --> 00:22:22,740 I basically became fascinated with this case. 273 00:22:22,740 --> 00:22:28,820 I mean, you can ask Courtney, I was like, Oh my God, this is this. 274 00:22:28,820 --> 00:22:32,660 Ask your person, you know, in Parker'sburg about this case. 275 00:22:32,660 --> 00:22:38,060 And I'm like, don't search it. 276 00:22:38,060 --> 00:22:43,620 So I am at the end of the day, I just want all of the justice to be served. 277 00:22:43,620 --> 00:22:50,220 And I truly believe that maybe one day they are able to find out what happened to Judy. 278 00:22:50,220 --> 00:22:53,260 So Courtney, are you guys ready for season two as I am? 279 00:22:53,260 --> 00:22:56,380 I am. 280 00:22:56,380 --> 00:23:01,260 Next time on Mountain State Mysteries, we're going to tell you the story of our most requested 281 00:23:01,260 --> 00:23:02,260 case. 282 00:23:02,260 --> 00:23:08,700 If you find yourself enjoying Mountain State Mysteries, take a second to rate it on your 283 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:10,820 favorite podcasting service. 284 00:23:10,820 --> 00:23:13,740 It helps others find good true crime podcasts. 285 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:22,180 Don't forget to follow us on Instagram, Facebook, Tiktok, and wherever you listen to podcast. 286 00:23:22,180 --> 00:23:28,620 For the show notes, check out our website, MountainStateMysteriesPodcast.com. 287 00:23:28,620 --> 00:23:33,860 Stay tuned, we will be taking a break from true crime to tell you some of the state haunts 288 00:23:33,860 --> 00:24:02,380 of West Virginia.