1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,560 I'm your host, Mark, and I'm Courtney, and today we want to tell you a story that actually 2 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,200 happened here in our backyard of Beckley, West Virginia. 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:24,200 Two prominent residents of Beckley that were murdered and left behind 75 years of un-entered 4 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,880 questions. 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,280 This is the story of Nellie Rand and Elmer A. Bailey. 6 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:36,640 On November 4, 1947, Beckley, West Virginia, on Lover's Lane, also known as Right Road, 7 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,440 100 yards from the Black Knight Country Club. 8 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:46,880 Both Nellie May Rand and Elmer A. Bailey were shot with a.38 caliber pistol. 9 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,960 The bullet entered the inner gray skull on the left side of his head slightly above his 10 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,400 left ear. 11 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:58,120 The bullet traveled through his skull and exited through the right side of his head, 12 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,480 killing him instantly. 13 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:05,560 Another shot was fired and pierced his right thumb, and this was not mentioned in his death 14 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,560 certificate. 15 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:13,880 Nellie was shot at a range close enough to leave a visible powder mark around the entry 16 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,080 wound on her right cheek. 17 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:21,680 The bullet then traveled downward, coming out on her left side of the neck and passing 18 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:27,640 through a portion of her left shoulder. 19 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:32,960 After the two shots were fired, the gunmen slipped into the driver's seat of Ray's car 20 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:37,240 and began their final journey to Pembroke Road. 21 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:42,440 So begins the mysteries of the murders at the Country Club. 22 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,440 Let me start with a little info on the two victims. 23 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:51,640 Elmer A. Bailey was born June 19, 1897. 24 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,040 He was a lifelong resident at Beckley, West Virginia. 25 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,960 A veteran of World War I. 26 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:04,880 Ray worked at the Beckley Hardware and Supply Company located in Uptown, Beckley. 27 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:14,520 In 1922, he married Irene Martin and they had two daughters, Daisy Dean, 19, Diane, 16. 28 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:20,200 By 1947, Ray was promoted to the furniture department buyer and manager. 29 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,200 He was a member of the Black Knight Country Club, and Irene was a member of the Beckley 30 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,880 Women's Club. 31 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:33,520 Nellie May Combs was born July 3, 1908 in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. 32 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,760 In 1929, she married Dr. Kenneth Rand in Welch, West Virginia. 33 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:45,040 By 1932, they had moved to Beckley, West Virginia and built a home on Harper Road. 34 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:52,760 By 1947, they had two daughters, Kira, 13, and Carolyn, 11. 35 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:59,720 Both Nellie and Dr. Rand were well-known in Beckley, members of the Lions Club, Els Club, 36 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,040 and the Beckley Swimmons Club. 37 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:07,640 The day of November 4, 1947 started as a typical day for both Nellie and Ray. 38 00:03:07,640 --> 00:03:11,880 Nellie had a bridal shower to attend that evening, so she had her hair shampooed and 39 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,360 waved at a beauty parlor in Uptown, Beckley. 40 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:19,160 She was talking about the bridal shower she was attending for her friend, Ermelo. 41 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:24,600 After leaving the beauty parlor, Nellie went to pick up a gift for Ermelo at a nearby gift 42 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,600 shop. 43 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,860 She picked up two pieces of china to match Ermelo's set. 44 00:03:29,860 --> 00:03:33,960 She had them individually wrapped because one was from her sister, Helen, who would be 45 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,680 missing the bridal shower. 46 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,760 After leaving the gift shop, Nellie walked to her husband's dental office, which was 47 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,760 located in the new Lily building in Uptown. 48 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,200 She told him that she would be taking the family vehicle later that evening. 49 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,960 Nellie returned home around 5pm where she had dinner with her daughters and her sister 50 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:51,960 Helen. 51 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,120 During dinner, she was cheerful and she was talking about the upcoming bridal shower. 52 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,800 Dr. Redden said to have last spoke to Nellie on the phone around 5.30pm. 53 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,480 He told her that he would be attending the Lines Club meeting. 54 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:08,320 Then he would be going to a movie at the Lyric Theater as he did every Tuesday night. 55 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,240 He asked her to pick him up one block away from Main Street around 11pm. 56 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:18,240 So to paint a picture for you and our listeners, the Lyric Theater was probably at 300 Neville 57 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,640 Street which is now just a parking lot across the street from the Cardinal statue and where 58 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,600 the former Beckley Hardware and Supply Store was located. 59 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,880 After dinner, she got dressed in a blue silk dress and a matching rhinestone necklace and 60 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:31,880 rings. 61 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,720 She completed her look with a gray fur coat saying goodbye to her sister and daughters. 62 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,880 Nellie left her house around 7.30pm to attend the bridal shower. 63 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,760 Ray worked at the Beckley Hardware Supply Store throughout the day. 64 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,400 The Hardware Store was located at 100 Huber Street. 65 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,200 It is now a law office. 66 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,640 Around 5.30pm, he had dinner with his wife and daughters. 67 00:04:54,640 --> 00:05:01,240 His wife said he was in an upbeat mood because he was going to buy a new family radio. 68 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:06,480 After dinner, he showered and shaved and lived his house around 6.30pm to 7. 69 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,960 He told his wife he was going to go back to work and finish a few things before he had 70 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,460 left. 71 00:05:12,460 --> 00:05:17,120 He had $400 in his pocket to buy a new family radio. 72 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:23,680 Ray was just seeing at 7pm at the corner shop on the corner of Johnstown Road and Canal 73 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,520 Street and purchased some gas. 74 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:32,320 The attendant James Fleshman put pumped his gas and gave Ray a change from the $10 bill. 75 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:37,760 Mrs. Bailey actually called the Black Knight Country Club at 7pm and asked if Ray was there. 76 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,040 Sadly, he wasn't. 77 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:45,240 Irene and Dr. Rand both had suspicions that the affair was hitting back up. 78 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,640 Over the past year, Dr. Rand confronted Nellie about her affairs. 79 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,520 Yes, there was more than one. 80 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:56,800 He raised the possibility of divorce, which was frowned upon back in 1947. 81 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,240 Nellie promised to end her affairs right then and there. 82 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,840 The rumors that the affair only grew when Ray moved out of the family home into a place 83 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:06,240 of his own. 84 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:12,560 However, things did die down in October when he moved in right before the wedding of his 85 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:13,800 eldest daughter. 86 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:19,800 From what we know, Nellie and Ray met on the right road around 8pm. 87 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,440 Nellie got out of her car and into the back of Ray's. 88 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,480 At 8.15pm, three shots were heard. 89 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:31,080 No one would ever see Nellie or Ray alive again except for the murderer. 90 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:38,040 Pula, Clana Han, reported zeroing shots at 8.10pm on South Canaw Street. 91 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,840 A group of boys heard the shots and went running in the direction of them. 92 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:49,040 When they got to the road, they only saw Nellie's light blue Chrysler Fordor sedan parked on 93 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,120 this side of the road. 94 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:57,680 Basically after this, both Nellie and Ray went missing until the morning of November 95 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,680 5th. 96 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:59,680 So hear me out. 97 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,880 We both have been told that Chrysler has never made a Commodore, which is basically the 98 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,720 car everyone says Nellie had. 99 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,760 Which I mean, it's true, they didn't make one, but we've done a research personally 100 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,120 from like crime scene photos and photos of just like other Chryslers. 101 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,440 We believe that it was basically just a Fordor sedan. 102 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:25,240 There were different makes and models, but from the closest one I have been able to see. 103 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,600 So I'm going to send you a picture of the car that was left on our road. 104 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,680 Which you really can't see much from it, but from what I can see they match. 105 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,480 Absolutely, they do match. 106 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:43,840 I mean, if anything we've learned, the Commodore was actually a boat in Hudson, Austin made 107 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,000 a Commodore. 108 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:52,040 Things right here could possibly be like a New Yorker on what the car definitely disappeared 109 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,040 to look. 110 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,800 So as we said before, Dr. Rand was attending a meeting at the Lions Club, which took place 111 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,440 from 6th Tape P.M. 112 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,200 He told investigators that after the meeting he had some extra time, so he went back to 113 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,200 his office. 114 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,400 Around 9 p.m. he walked to the Lyric Theater to catch the Tuesday night movie. 115 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,600 However, this part is a little sketch. 116 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,240 The mayor, Walter A. E. Burr, was actually the ticketmaster that night. 117 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:19,440 And however, he does remember Dr. Rand going to the movies every Tuesday night. 118 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,600 He honestly doesn't remember Dr. Rand telling Dr. Rand a ticket that night. 119 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:28,640 Around 11 p.m. he walked to Main Street, where him and Nellie both agreed on meeting. 120 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:34,640 When Nellie and Dan arrived by 11.30 p.m., he accepted to arrive from his neighbor, Mrs. 121 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,360 Lorenzo Torrine. 122 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,920 Ms. Torrine said that Dr. Rand didn't seem any different, that he chatted comfortably 123 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,120 the entire way home. 124 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,240 When Dr. Rand arrived home, he was happy to see that lights were on and when he entered, 125 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,720 he found out that his sister-in-law, Hale, and turned them on. 126 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,600 He also learned that no one has heard from Nellie since she left the house at 7.30. 127 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,920 When she didn't return by 12.30, he began to make phone calls to friends. 128 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,000 One of the calls was to the home the bridal shower was Hale. 129 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,880 He soon found out Nellie never made it to the party. 130 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,160 When Nellie didn't arrive home by morning, Dr. Rand called the Beckley hardware store 131 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,920 to talk to Ray. 132 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,400 When Earl Bepp told Dr. Rand that Ray had not shown up for work that morning, his fears 133 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:14,400 grew worse. 134 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,160 Hoping that the two could be found, Dr. Rand called the Beckley police department and reported 135 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,080 the family car as missing. 136 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:26,440 Little did he know that around the same time, Ray's brother Earl made the same report for 137 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,440 Ray's car. 138 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,600 With police looking out for the cars, they thought it wouldn't be long until the two 139 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:32,600 were located. 140 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:37,960 On the other side of town, the mystery of Nellie and Ray was already unfolding. 141 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:45,000 Around the time Dr. Rand was filing his report, State Trooper R. L. Tabscott was on his way 142 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,640 to Coleridge to serve a warrant. 143 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:54,200 When he passed Old Raleigh Ballfield, which is located at the Two Brothers Collision, 144 00:09:54,200 --> 00:10:02,160 going down Raleigh Hill now, he noticed a dark green 1941 Buick roadmaster parked on 145 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,340 the north side. 146 00:10:04,340 --> 00:10:09,440 Around 11 a.m. when he returned, he noticed that Ray's car was still there. 147 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,800 He decided to pull over and investigate. 148 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:17,200 Looking into the abandoned car, he spotted a large pool of blood in the rear floor. 149 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,240 He also noticed the three bullet holes in the back seat. 150 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,080 Nellie's gray fur coat and Ray's top coat were laying in the seat. 151 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:33,440 In the back window above, in the back window above the back seat laid Ray's hat and Nellie's 152 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:34,880 purse. 153 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:40,800 The keys to Ray's car were still in the ignition and the car was still turned on. 154 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:46,840 Using his handkerchief to protect fingerprints, evidence, State Trooper Tabscott closed the 155 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,640 windows, locked up the car, and returned to police headquarters. 156 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:57,120 Colonel H. C. Fullmer was having a busy morning also at the State Police Headquarters. 157 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:02,080 It all began with reports with two stolen cars from prominent citizens of Beckley. 158 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,640 On the same time, Trooper Tabscott returned to headquarters. 159 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:11,440 O.G. Goodson and his son Raymond arrived at the State Police Headquarters to tell them 160 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,440 about the two dead bodies they found on the old Penman Road a few miles away. 161 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:22,800 Goodson and his son, along with Colonel H. C. Fullmer, Trooper Tabscott drove out to 162 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,960 the remote Penman Road. 163 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:31,240 Now, upon a lot of our research that we have done, and we're just like our listeners who 164 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:37,160 know that we have researched this for two months, we had a lot of sources helping us 165 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,960 out. 166 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:47,000 Penman Road actually started where the Southern Regional Jail in Beckley is, and basically 167 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,360 just made like a big huge loop around. 168 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:58,440 And basically where the bodies were located is now where the federal prison is in Beaver. 169 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:05,520 So Tommy Dinkin, you come across like some maps or something, I may help you with some 170 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:06,520 maps of Penman. 171 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,400 I did, we're going to call him John Doe, but he did. 172 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:15,760 There was about 49 houses and basically a bunch of buildings. 173 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,680 From what I've heard, which we'll get on to it later, is that the bodies were found near 174 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:22,520 the powerhouse. 175 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:29,560 To me, looking at the new maps and that map, the road kind of matches the same way it does 176 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:30,840 today. 177 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:38,680 To me, the powerhouse is located where a dermatologist office is located at today. 178 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:43,000 And the maps will actually be up on our social media. 179 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Everyone can look at that. 180 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,400 Yeah, if you guys change, go up there and look at the maps. 181 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:57,120 So to get back to our story, about that time, the Raleigh County Coroner Douglas Brown was 182 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,240 contacted and told to meet them there. 183 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,720 When they got there, the scene that met them on the embankment was nothing less than gruesome. 184 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,000 Roughly 20 feet off of the embankment laid the bodies of Nellie Rand and Ray Bailey. 185 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,560 However, Nellie's identity wouldn't be figured out until later. 186 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:18,160 However, Ray had a card in his pocket that could connect the homicide to the car that 187 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,840 Rupert Habscott found earlier. 188 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,200 Nellie was found face down with her head on Ray's legs. 189 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,480 Ray was also found face down. 190 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,400 Both were covered in a large amount of blood. 191 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,720 But looking at the grass, it looked like the bodies were either carried down or rolled 192 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,200 down an embankment. 193 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,920 Along the embankment, officers found Nellie's shoes and her underwear that had a few blood 194 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,280 stains on it. 195 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:47,120 Sadly, these items were taken off of her before she was taken down the embankment. 196 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,640 So I'm not sure why her underwear was off. 197 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:56,360 To me, I'm not sure if it was like a prize if someone tried to do something with her 198 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,440 after she was murdered. 199 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,080 We really just aren't sure why. 200 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,760 Her shoes were spaced out. 201 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,360 What was it? 202 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,280 Like six feet from each other? 203 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:12,360 I can only hope and pray that nothing happened to her, that someone didn't try to rape her 204 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,480 or anything of that nature. 205 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:19,560 Both Nellie and Ray were dressed in formal attire, which made them completely out of 206 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,360 place in their surroundings. 207 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,280 A small amount of money was found in Ray's pockets. 208 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,120 An expensive rhinestone necklace hung around Nellie's neck. 209 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,400 On first sight, officers didn't think robbery could have been the motive. 210 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:35,760 It soon became apparent that Nellie and Ray were killed in a different location and dumped 211 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:36,760 on Penman Road. 212 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:42,480 Tire tracks along the road showed that a vehicle, possibly Ray's, stopped at the embankment. 213 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,680 Then drove 30 feet and turned around and left the area. 214 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,400 Now we have seen reports on the bodies being dumped next to the old powerhouse. 215 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:58,160 Now we're not exactly sure of the location of the powerhouse, but we're going to ask 216 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:04,120 John Doe's some more information to see if we cannot find out exactly where the powerhouse 217 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,120 is. 218 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,920 Which I mean, we were told it is on the map somewhere, but I'm leading more towards like 219 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,360 where the, how the roads match. 220 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,560 It's near the dermatologist's office. 221 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:20,920 Yeah, and the dermatologist's office is very, very close to the federal prison now. 222 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,480 Very, very close. 223 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:32,720 Bailey drove a dark green 1941 Buick Roadmaster and it was towed to the police headquarters. 224 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:38,120 There were footprints next to the car that officers took a plaster cast of. 225 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:43,040 Sadly due to rain earlier that morning, the cast would be useless. 226 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:48,680 Police traced the footprints through some brush up to the northern edge of the unused 227 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,000 Raleigh Ball Park. 228 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,840 The prints led them to the road that circled the field and then ended. 229 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,400 The bodies of Nellie and Ray were removed from Penman Road and taken to Rose Mortuary 230 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,200 where autopsies were performed. 231 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:06,360 Now we have seen death certificates and like we stated earlier, it really doesn't mention 232 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,800 that Ray was ever shot in the thumb. 233 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:14,400 So allegedly we were told after the bodies were originally dumped, two men walking on 234 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,400 Penman Road. 235 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:22,240 They were I think looking for bottle caps, bottles. 236 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,360 And they found the bodies. 237 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,120 However when they found the bodies, Nellie was still alive apparently trying to climb 238 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,440 up the embankment. 239 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:35,640 However, when they called the cops and the cops got there, the cop that showed up told 240 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,240 them that he would handle it from here. 241 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,200 We were also told that Nellie was shot twice after that. 242 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,880 We have a lot of theories on this that we'll get to here in a little bit. 243 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,800 At 4pm, a Bayley police officer radioed in to report that Nellie's car was found. 244 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,280 Her car was on an axis road about 100 yards from Black Knight Country Club. 245 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,200 It didn't take them long to put the pieces of the puzzle together to find out that this 246 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,040 was the crime scene. 247 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:05,160 20 feet from the back of Nellie's car, police found a small puddle of blood measuring 12 248 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,480 inches in diameter. 249 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,640 Next to the puddle of blood, they found Nellie's watch with a broken band. 250 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:16,720 With the time of 8.15 frozen on it, this gave officers an idea of what time the murders 251 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:17,720 happened. 252 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:24,160 We have like so many questions of like, oh why there was such a large puddle of blood. 253 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:29,720 We want to know what if they were both in Ray's car. 254 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,480 How did Nellie's watch get on the ground? 255 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:37,960 And did Nellie actually attempt to run before she was murdered? 256 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,920 Exactly because I mean, from this, they would have killed Ray first. 257 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:43,920 100%. 258 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:49,640 So, I mean Nellie could have tried to run, but with three bullet holes being in the back 259 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:58,440 seat of the car, there's really no way unless she would have tried to run after she was shot. 260 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:04,320 I mean, that's the only reason I could think there could be blood on the ground. 261 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,760 So get this. 262 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,840 The murder didn't happen in Nellie's car. 263 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,920 But police did find a small amount of blood on her rear fender. 264 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:20,120 Other than that, the car was basically cleaned and gave back to Dr. Rand. 265 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:23,640 The cars were actually found within one half mile of each other. 266 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:29,920 However, the bodies were found 5.7 miles away from the country club. 267 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:30,920 Basically 12 minutes today. 268 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:36,760 Because I mean, we have, we've drove this road so many times. 269 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,280 We've kind of mapped it out at the same time the murders have happened. 270 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:47,720 And we have timed it to be 12 minutes, especially with beaver traffic today. 271 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:48,720 Absolutely. 272 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,480 The boys who heard the shots quickly ran into the direction of them. 273 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:54,560 Here's my thing. 274 00:18:54,560 --> 00:19:00,120 How can there be a group of boys allegedly playing golf at 8pm in November? 275 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:04,480 Even right now in October, we both know how dark it gets at the country club. 276 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,480 It's basically on the right road. 277 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:07,480 100%. 278 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,480 There's no way I believe they were actually playing golf. 279 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:17,080 No, but we were told by one of our sources that there was a gambling match going on that 280 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,080 night. 281 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,640 And I want to say I heard there was an event going on at Black Knight that night. 282 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,320 That's what I've heard also. 283 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:29,160 When they got to where they heard the gunshots, they only saw one car, which was Nellie's. 284 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:35,280 But the time it took them to run from the country club to where the cars were, the killer 285 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,360 had already hopped in the front seat, a race car, and sped away. 286 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:44,360 Also on the night of November 4th, a pair of hunters who were in the area reported hearing 287 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:47,920 a car coming up the old Piedmont Road. 288 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,760 However with them hunting out of season, they hid in the woods. 289 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,600 They heard the vehicle and then lead the area. 290 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,440 We're not sure on the amount of time that the vehicle was there on Piedmont Road. 291 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:06,960 The hunters report 11 p.m. with the two hunting out of the season. 292 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,760 They were scared that the vehicle may have been the game warden, so they were nervous 293 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,760 about coming forward. 294 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:18,160 Sadly, they didn't see the vehicle or anyone in it because they were hiding to keep out 295 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,920 of sight. 296 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:26,560 So the estimated time is two hours for all this stuff happened from the in being shot 297 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,320 to the bodies being dumped. 298 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,000 So why is there a reported 18 mile trip? 299 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,240 And those raised wife didn't drive. 300 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:39,600 So I've been wondering if she possibly could have known the mileage on the car or if his 301 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,240 daughters could have known. 302 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:47,600 That's one question I have today because I mean if she would have known but I mean she 303 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,200 didn't drive so she probably just didn't pay attention to it. 304 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,960 I don't know if his daughters were driving yet or not. 305 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:59,280 So I just don't understand where they get an 18 mile trip out of this. 306 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:04,120 Because I mean we both know we can do this trip in 15 to 20 minutes tops. 307 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:11,160 However, I feel like the person or persons that killed Nellie and Ray try to cover their 308 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,680 tracks a little bit. 309 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,640 Let's say it was a robbery gone wrong and the killer wanted to find a good woodsy area 310 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,880 to dump the bodies. 311 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:24,480 I mean it could also have been someone that was hired to murder them and the person who 312 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,560 hired them wanted to see the bodies dead. 313 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,240 So I mean that could have been a thing that happened. 314 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,240 Absolutely. 315 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,760 Later in the day of November 5th police has ruled out the option of it being a robbery 316 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,240 gone wrong. 317 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:43,360 However Dr. Wren reported that Nellie had three rings missing and the gifts from the 318 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:46,760 party she was going to attend were missing. 319 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,640 The rings were valued at $2000. 320 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:54,480 I ring reported that Ray had about $400 on him before he left the house. 321 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:59,600 We know he spent $10 to put gas in his car which would have left him with $390. 322 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:06,960 And I've tried to do research on this but what radio in 1947 would have been $400. 323 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,840 I mean I know they didn't have TVs then or anything like that but it just blows my mind 324 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,160 that a radio could have been $400. 325 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:20,360 And I honestly did not believe that it would have cost that much. 326 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:25,360 One of the things we did notice when we were doing research on this and looking at old 327 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:33,960 newspaper articles is the fact that you could buy a whole living room suit for like $100 328 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,960 or maybe a little over $100. 329 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:43,280 I mean my god I mean there would have been like an amazing radio to cost that much back 330 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,280 in the day. 331 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:50,280 A local pawnbroker named Steve Boshuda reported a black man had pawned a diamond ring which 332 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,520 fit the description of Nellie's. 333 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:57,280 When police found the man that the store reported pawned the rings off they found out that he 334 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:03,880 actually applied for a job as a chef at the country club at just 5pm which would have 335 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,880 been three hours before the march. 336 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,800 Let's talk about this for a second. 337 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:13,520 We boasting this in multiple newspaper reports and everything. 338 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,800 This basically just bothers us to know when. 339 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,680 Police didn't rope off the area the murders took place. 340 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:27,640 So the next day after the murders were reported November 5th employees reported that most 341 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,400 of their day was actually spent directing traffic in the direction of where the murders 342 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,120 took place. 343 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:40,760 So who's to say that the guy who applied for the job just didn't drive up that road and 344 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,640 see the rings and just grabbed. 345 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:50,400 Another thing is too it irritates me to know we in because I feel that a lot of the evidence 346 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,720 was majorly contaminated. 347 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,720 By the fact that there were so many people going up and down the crime scene that day 348 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:05,160 and another thing is there's actually a photo. 349 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:11,840 We're going to definitely put it up on the on our socials of a man standing right next 350 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:22,280 to the puddle of blood there and it irritates me so so bad on this. 351 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,280 So so bad. 352 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,480 Oh gosh it irritates me. 353 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:39,000 So the man who supposedly on the rings his name was Vernon Mitchell and he was actually 354 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:46,440 taken into custody at the country club and he maintained his innocence and that he wasn't 355 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,080 the person who committed the crime. 356 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:54,120 On Saturday November 8th he was driven to Morgantown where they performed a lie detector 357 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,280 test. 358 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,160 After the test he was taken back to Beckley. 359 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,960 He was put in jail under the name John Doe. 360 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:08,120 When Mitchell's wife learned of his return and that he was in jail she got into contact 361 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:11,720 with an attorney James Rowland. 362 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:19,640 Rowland filed immediately a right of habeas corpus when he spoke to on his constant tension. 363 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,120 His detention is one of the most damnable things that could have ever happened in the 364 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:25,620 community. 365 00:25:25,620 --> 00:25:29,600 The rest of the black man with no more evidence than they have. 366 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:35,520 This man is a property owner, the father of several children, the husband of a school 367 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:40,920 teacher, all of who are held with highest respect in this community. 368 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:46,240 Rowland said that if he was forced to take this matter to trial that he would subpoena 369 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:52,640 many of Beckley's most prominent citizens and ask them under oath if they had ever had 370 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,960 an affair with Nellie. 371 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,000 Burnham Mitchell was soon released. 372 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:01,760 With the lawyer saying he would ask prominent citizens of Beckley this shows that Nellie 373 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,200 has had multiple affairs with men in the city. 374 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:12,320 We know of one alleged that was going on with a bartender at the country club. 375 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:17,000 We aren't sure of his name but we do know that he was African American. 376 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,000 And I've actually wondered if he was one who might have the answer to the phone when Mrs. 377 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,360 Bailey called and he knew exactly where Nellie would have been that night. 378 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:25,760 Could he have murdered the two? 379 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,840 I mean that's why I've been thinking here lately. 380 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:33,440 I mean in all honesty we don't, if there was ever a time that I could go back it would 381 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,440 be November 4th. 382 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,920 If I could ever go back in time it would be that night. 383 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,040 You know we would be together right there. 384 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:50,680 Then 100% we would have and I would also like it to be told that Burnham Mitchell passed 385 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,560 his lie detector test. 386 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:57,760 Also too the officers wouldn't have to wait long until their first confession came to 387 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,760 light. 388 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,080 On November 23rd the state police received a message from Cincinnati, Ohio. 389 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:08,000 21 year old James Richardson of Crabb-Orchard confessed to the murders of Nellie and Wreck. 390 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,360 Richardson was arrested for a Wreckless driving charge. 391 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:14,920 He signed a detailed statement where he described his motives for the murders. 392 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,800 Beckley police officers followed up with every single lead. 393 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,840 Someone from the West Virginia State Police went to Cincinnati and brought Richardson 394 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,800 back to Beckley for questioning. 395 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,840 However they would soon find out this lead was far from what they were looking for. 396 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:36,080 Richardson told officers that he used a.32 caliber pistol when it was really a.38 caliber 397 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,040 pistol that was used. 398 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,800 Officers took him to the spots where the murders happened and where the bodies were found. 399 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:49,360 Richardson was unable to prove where the vehicles were and where the bodies were actually found. 400 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:55,000 Officers soon find out after a comment Richardson made that his confession was actually false. 401 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,240 He said his confession was due to a fungus infection in his eardrums which often caused 402 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,240 his mind to go blank. 403 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,920 He also said they loved detective and mystery magazines. 404 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:10,120 Instead, Richardson was charged with stealing and driving the vehicle in Cincinnati. 405 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:16,040 The longer the case went on, the more the facade of small town innocents faded away. 406 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:22,120 The area of the murders was actually a popular lovers lane with couples who were having affairs. 407 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,920 A lot of robberies actually occurred there. 408 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,640 However they wouldn't go reported due to couples having affairs. 409 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:34,920 On the night of November 4th, a neighbor in the area reported seeing a suspicious man in the area. 410 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,280 It turns out that that man was just looking to have a hookup. 411 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:44,640 Two years went by and the murders were still the topic of conversation in the small community 412 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,680 at Beckley. 413 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:54,160 In April of 1949, 20 year old Charles Brown was captured by police in Cleveland, Ohio. 414 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,960 What is up with all the confessions coming out of the state of Ohio? 415 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,280 I've always wondered that. 416 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,280 I do too. 417 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,920 I mean literally every confession came from Ohio. 418 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:06,920 I know. 419 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,280 I mean Cleveland and Cincinnati, I mean it's a good distance. 420 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,080 A very good distance. 421 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,080 But I mean too it was crazy. 422 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,080 Yes. 423 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:22,040 After he attempted to hold up a taxi driver, he told officers in Cleveland that he committed 424 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,800 the murders a nilly enray during another attempted robbery. 425 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:33,360 He said to have sold the murder weapon at a hardware store in Bluefield, West Virginia. 426 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,560 Here's the thing about Brown's confession. 427 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,600 It had one major flaw marked. 428 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,480 He was actually in jail in Raleigh County the night the murders took place. 429 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,480 He made it to confession hoping to escape the charge on him in Ohio. 430 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,440 I mean that's one way to try. 431 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,440 But I mean if you're in jail, you're in jail. 432 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:58,360 I mean there's no like oh the accidently you know put their own name to their own person. 433 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,440 No, like you are there. 434 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,440 Exactly the same Alcatraz. 435 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,760 I know right. 436 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,280 From there the investigation of the double murders sadly went cold. 437 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,040 With no new information the case sadly faded away. 438 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:15,560 However, people in the city of Beckley still talk about the murders of Nellie and Ray to 439 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,640 this day. 440 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,200 No matter who you talk to you always find out new information. 441 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:26,320 After 75 years Nellie's rings and the gifts she bought for the party have never been found. 442 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:32,560 So after 75 years just like any other person in Beckley we have our own theories on this 443 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,800 case. 444 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,880 We spent two months doing research on this. 445 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,400 We've actually visited Nellie's grave and actually just the other day we found Ray's 446 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:48,560 grave just by driving by and just risking it on a Bailey rave. 447 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:54,600 I can honestly tell you the first time that we visited Nellie's grave it was late in 448 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,600 the evening. 449 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,600 The moon that night was just something. 450 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,640 It was a full moon and it wasn't even supposed to be a full moon. 451 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,200 No, it was a full moon that night. 452 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:16,560 We actually searched for her grave for about 45 minutes before we found it. 453 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:22,840 We went from like the far end to we went end to end of sunset. 454 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:30,200 Looking for this grave and we walked every single grave and all this time we had been 455 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,480 passing her grave every time that we drove to work. 456 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:44,080 We 100% passed it and the first time that we were out there visiting it was the most 457 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:53,040 overwhelming feeling to ever come over you when we done it. 458 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,120 I'm a crier. 459 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,880 This is very one name between us. 460 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,960 I'm a crier. 461 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:06,240 But I could not control my emotions that night. 462 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:13,280 It's just an overwhelming feeling of sadness when you go to her grave. 463 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,880 Ray's, you really didn't feel anything? 464 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,480 No, you didn't. 465 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:25,680 I can honestly say when we were at Ray's grave I just felt a sense of anger when we 466 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,680 were there. 467 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:39,560 And the craziest part about is Dr. Ran and his second wife are buried in sunset. 468 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,600 In the Muslim, the main Muslim, which we couldn't get into because they closed the 469 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,600 doors early. 470 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,240 Yeah, we can't get in there. 471 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:57,760 Nellie and her daughter, Caroline, are buried side by side and Ray and Irene are buried 472 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:05,400 side by side and it's all within a very close proximity to each other. 473 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,400 Held the grave for her. 474 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,400 It's almost like in a triangle. 475 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,400 It makes a triangle. 476 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,400 It really does. 477 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,920 It makes a triangle. 478 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:17,720 Nellie's though is the farthest away from anyone of them. 479 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:18,720 The farthest is. 480 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:26,240 But the craziest thing happened the night we went. 481 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:34,760 Mark is also a photographer and Mark had his Polaroid that night along with two or three 482 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,160 more other cameras. 483 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:44,240 And he had put in a new canister, a Polaroid film. 484 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,240 And tell what happened when you took a picture. 485 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:54,000 I took two pictures and just stuck them in my pocket for them to develop and everything. 486 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,120 The pictures of Nellie's grave didn't develop. 487 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,720 They were black. 488 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,920 Never had that happen before. 489 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,040 And the crazy thing is, took a Polaroid in the car just to test it. 490 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,040 It developed. 491 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,040 It 100% developed. 492 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,800 And before anybody thinks, oh, you didn't have the flash on. 493 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,080 The flash was 100% on. 494 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,240 And I mean that flash, it automatically goes off. 495 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:20,800 I mean it's brighter than like nothing else. 496 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,440 It 100% that film did not develop. 497 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:31,600 And even the next day we were out running around together and the film was still in 498 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:37,400 the car and it still was black. 499 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,520 Nothing ever happened with that. 500 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:48,160 And I mean when we say we've been investigating this case for months, we've drove the spot 501 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,160 they were murdered. 502 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,320 We've parked in the black night park. 503 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,240 They probably know my car by now. 504 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:59,520 They're like, oh, there's, you know, those two again, just, you know, parking here. 505 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,040 They're probably just going lovers lane or whatever. 506 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,040 Not the case. 507 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,560 We're just, you know, investigating this because in all honesty, like it's such a sad 508 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:14,360 case that it's, you know, basically went on for 75 years with no answer. 509 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:21,360 And the crazy thing is too is we have been all over the place trying to find PM Moon 510 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,360 Road. 511 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,240 We, from a video we've seen, which we will link in the show notes for you guys to watch 512 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:30,840 it, it's a very good video. 513 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,600 We for some reason thought it was in Stanford. 514 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:42,000 So we actually thought it was in Glade Creek, which I mean, isn't far from Stanford whatsoever. 515 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:50,320 And technically from where the mines was, it had the bail things. 516 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,880 I'm not sure what they're called. 517 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,520 The bail things. 518 00:35:54,520 --> 00:36:02,120 And it actually ended up going down through Glade Creek to connect to like the trains 519 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,120 and all this so they could get coal out of Penman. 520 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:15,560 And another thing is too, when we were trying to find PM Moon, we had multiple, multiple 521 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,280 people we were contacting. 522 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,720 Have you ever heard of PM Moon? 523 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:20,920 Where's this at? 524 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,440 Where could it be? 525 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:29,640 We were asking every single question imaginable how to where this place could be. 526 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,240 I mean, doing endless research online. 527 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:38,840 And within an hour, we had three different people tell us the same exact location on 528 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,640 where PM Moon is. 529 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:48,800 And I mean, for anyone who wants to drive it, it's industrial drive now in Beaver. 530 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:56,040 You can do the entire loop, but you can't actually go to where the town of PM Moon is. 531 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:04,640 Because the federal prison is sadly, you know, they have a gate and Courtney was like, oh, 532 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:05,960 how can we get in there? 533 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,560 And you have me like, I don't know, do tax fraud or something. 534 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:15,200 I mean, I'm literally over here thinking of ways that we could get in to where the prison 535 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,200 is. 536 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:24,320 But I will also say too, because you don't know exactly where the bodies were located 537 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,320 at. 538 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,320 I hate when people say where the bodies were dumped. 539 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,320 Yeah. 540 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,320 I absolutely hate that. 541 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,320 Where their bodies were located at. 542 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:40,240 I will tell you, though, you do get an incredible sense of sadness driving down the airport, 543 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:46,440 you know, at any given place that is where their bodies could have been located at. 544 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,600 And we're just going to say this, driving it at night. 545 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,360 Even during the day, it's creepy, but at night, so much creepier. 546 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,360 It is. 547 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,240 I mean, it is just it is incredibly it is pitch black out through there. 548 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:09,160 I mean, even the parking lots aren't very well lit and all out through there. 549 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:17,520 And we have done this drive when we say multiple times, we have probably done this drive two 550 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:24,000 times, two, three times a week for like a month and a half now. 551 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,680 We have done this because we have really put this in there in all honesty. 552 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:35,520 If there's two people that deserve justice on this to which now it would be hard, but 553 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:41,000 still answers definitely, you know, these questions need to be answered. 554 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,280 Nellie and Ray both do. 555 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:48,520 They both deserve to have answers. 556 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:56,640 We actually at one point, we actually wanted to reach out to Nellie's daughter. 557 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,360 We have found out she is still alive. 558 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:06,520 And we actually wanted to reach out to her, but we decided not to because we didn't know 559 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:12,400 if that could possibly bring up some trauma for her and everything. 560 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,840 So we opted against that. 561 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,760 And another thing with this case, I'm sure a lot of people in town, we believe it was 562 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,040 a major cover up. 563 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:30,360 We've heard that Nellie was allegedly having an affair with the police officer who has 564 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,480 a very prominent name in Beckley. 565 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:38,160 We won't say what name we think it is, but we have seen. 566 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:45,280 We have seen names and there's actually two or three names on there that are very prominent. 567 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,840 Very, very prominent. 568 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:53,720 That being said, they think the police officer actually was the killer. 569 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:59,200 And all we know is that this alleged person was very prominent in town. 570 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,600 The family is still, still very, very prominent in Beckley. 571 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:05,600 Yes. 572 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:13,080 So to go back to where we were talking about going to Nellie and Ray's grave, two other 573 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:18,760 very distinctive things came besides the emotions that came to us. 574 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:26,240 Number one, when we went to Nellie's grave, the first night that we were there, we actually 575 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:30,960 smelled a very floral scent. 576 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:36,560 And it was almost, it was actually dark, the moon was out. 577 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,160 The sunset that night was also incredible. 578 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:46,560 I mean, anytime that we had been up there close to sunset, we had honestly been blessed 579 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,600 with some of the absolutely most gorgeous sunsets ever. 580 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,520 We had good sunset to sunset. 581 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,520 It's true. 582 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:02,360 But we did smell a very heavily floral scent. 583 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,560 And this time of year, there is no fresh flowers on them graves. 584 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,520 And it was only at her grave that we smelled that floral scent. 585 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,960 And it was nothing alarming. 586 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,800 It was a very calming, it was an innocent, beautiful smell that came about. 587 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,240 And all honestly, it was very welcoming innocence. 588 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:24,400 It really was. 589 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,480 I mean, just the emotions were there. 590 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,400 It was a scent of floral that I had never smelled before. 591 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,880 It was like one of the most beautiful scents of roses that you could have ever smelled. 592 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:43,720 It's not like a scent that is like your typical rose smell that you're going to get by roses 593 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,200 from the grocery store or from a florist. 594 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:52,760 It was just like one of the most purest floral smells that there was. 595 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:59,280 However, when we discovered raised graves, and when we say discovered, we mean we were 596 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,280 literally driving by it. 597 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,600 And Court was like, Oh, there's the Bailey. 598 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,920 Stop the car. 599 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,840 We got out and we least covered the names. 600 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:15,080 So we took a stick to like, and I found Irene's grave first. 601 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,400 It was Irene's and we went over to the left and there was raised. 602 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:20,400 Yeah. 603 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:30,400 And then the smell that came from there was a very cinnamon musky type of smell. 604 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,400 And at first I thought, Oh my God, Courtney, you're just losing it. 605 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,600 It's just the stick that you have in your hand. 606 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,200 I even smelled the stick. 607 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,440 I mean, this is how I am, folks. 608 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:50,160 I smelled the stick and I even asked Mark, I said, Do you smell this? 609 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,160 And he was like, I smell a cinnamon. 610 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,400 I smell a musk and everything. 611 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,560 And I spent the whole rest of the evening wanting to know what a cinnamon, what a cinnamon 612 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,160 musk smell meant there. 613 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:13,240 But it was, I still haven't found the answers. 614 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:15,280 I want it means. 615 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:21,760 But when I say that, I had a sense of anger come over me at his grave. 616 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,600 I was 100% had a sense of anger that came over. 617 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,160 I mean, I don't know if you felt anything that day or not. 618 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,160 No. 619 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:42,520 I just knew I felt anger and then we left where the Baileys were buried at and we went 620 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,000 over to Nellie's and the exact same emotions came over me again. 621 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,000 I started sobbing. 622 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:55,600 And then we know we said this before, but after we left Nellie's this time, we went 623 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,480 to the muslin, which I mean, it was daylight all this. 624 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,520 And yeah, the doors were locked. 625 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,520 So we could. 626 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:08,760 And the crazy part about it too is like we looked and they have a sign on the door that 627 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:17,000 said that they would lock the doors at 430 p.m. until eight and you had to go to the 628 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:24,400 office to get the key to get in. 629 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,800 This was 2 30 in the afternoon. 630 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,120 And we could not get into that mausoleum to save our life. 631 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,120 No. 632 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,040 And the creepy thing is there was a door open and you could see like a wood wall. 633 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,040 Yeah. 634 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,040 Yeah. 635 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:48,920 So that was just some of the things that we have experienced dealing with this case. 636 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:57,040 I will say I'm very grateful for our sources that have helped us on this case. 637 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,520 But the crazy thing is it's just like any it's just like a lot of times like you're 638 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,000 able to get information. 639 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,480 This right here has been one of the most difficult cases to get any type of information about 640 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:16,840 just like when you think that you're starting to find something and you're starting to get 641 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:21,840 on a good track and find this something you're going to find something out and you're like, 642 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,960 oh my God, we might be able to get some info. 643 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,960 Boom. 644 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,880 That door is closed. 645 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,880 No information. 646 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:37,880 And literally when we say like no pun intended, but this is like cold like it went cold. 647 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,280 Like every single time. 648 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:44,400 I mean every single time and like you hear all kinds of information out about it and 649 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,880 everything and like nothing ever matches up. 650 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,840 Like there's only been a few things in this case on research wise that we were able to 651 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:58,760 like look at and everything actually like hooked up in the sense on it and everything. 652 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:06,760 I mean, there's one newspaper report where it says the coroner said Nellie was shot twice. 653 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,400 Ray was only shot once. 654 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,440 Then it says Ray was shot twice. 655 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,600 Nellie was shot once. 656 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:21,120 But with the report of us hearing that Nellie was actually shot twice, it really makes you 657 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:26,960 wonder if the death certificate is correct in what the saying is. 658 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:35,880 And another thing is too is the one newspaper article talked about the way she was shot 659 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,800 saying that she was shot in the head and everything. 660 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,960 But then after that, it said, what was it? 661 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,120 It was something crazy like she was shot in the head. 662 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,440 She was shot in the temple like Ray. 663 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,440 Yes. 664 00:46:51,440 --> 00:47:00,160 However, her death certificate literally states that she was shot in her right cheek with 665 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,440 the bullet exiting through her neck. 666 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,320 He was shot in the right cheek. 667 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,320 He was shot in the left temple. 668 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:12,280 So I mean, we can basically put them in the car today. 669 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,760 I mean, he was in the backseat on the driver's side. 670 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,760 She was in the backseat on the passenger side, just going off how they were both shot. 671 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,720 And the reason why we're saying that they were sitting in the backseat was simply on 672 00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:28,960 the way that Ray was shot. 673 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:36,280 He had to be sitting straight up for that bullet to enter through his left temple and 674 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,280 exit out the right. 675 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:44,360 Now we know a lot how things are perceived today, how a lot of things are wrote today 676 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:45,360 in newspaper articles. 677 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,480 But some of the main questions that we had was number one, with Ray being shot in the 678 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:56,240 head, wouldn't there be some sort of brain matter in the car? 679 00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:59,640 Wouldn't there be some bone fragments or something? 680 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,640 I mean, questions of that nature. 681 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,720 We've also questioned with the position that Nellie was shot at. 682 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:12,640 I mean, for her to be shot through her right cheek to come out the left side, I mean, that 683 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:17,000 Gomet had to be pointed at a very heavy angle. 684 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:24,040 I feel like, and I also wonder too, if it could not have hit her jugular. 685 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,200 Now this right here is one of the biggest things that Mark and I do differ on on this 686 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:38,360 case is I 100% believe that they were not killed on Lover's Lane. 687 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:46,840 I feel that they were killed offsite, brought up there, bodies were transported to another 688 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,800 car, whatever, and then drove back off. 689 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,360 That is my theory and Mark's theory is... 690 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,800 They were shot there and all that. 691 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:02,000 Like I believe Nellie could have possibly tried to get out of the car. 692 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,440 That's why there was blood on the ground. 693 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:11,200 The only thing I really do question is how did blood get on the back fender of her car? 694 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,200 It really is. 695 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:19,520 I mean, the only way we could really just put the pieces together is if some chance we could 696 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,960 get the police report, but we have tried for two months. 697 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:24,960 Non-stop. 698 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,640 Sadly, it's not going to happen. 699 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:37,120 I know that there is ways to get police reports today, but sadly, this one is locked up. 700 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:48,040 And also, anytime that you go to Google, this online is such limited information that's 701 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,040 on there. 702 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,040 It really is. 703 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:57,040 And even with the newspapers that are scanned and put on the internet on this site, they 704 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:05,200 totally differ from the newspapers that are scanned and put on the machine at the library. 705 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,440 We even went to the library on this to search it. 706 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:15,040 And I mean, that's where we found out that the crime scene wasn't roped off and all of 707 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,120 this stuff. 708 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,240 And the whole other thing is too is we were at the library so long that they actually 709 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:23,440 came over to us and told us that they were closing. 710 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,360 We had about, what, 15 minutes before they closed? 711 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,800 I'm not like that. 712 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,440 The girl was like, hey, I'm just letting y'all know that we're going to be closing in about 713 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,440 15 minutes. 714 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,440 Yeah. 715 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,520 We did what y'all need to do, whatever, and everything. 716 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,240 But basically get out. 717 00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:40,240 Yeah. 718 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:41,960 That was basically the entire thing. 719 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:50,800 Another thing is too that was very interesting about all of this is the fact that one of 720 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:59,280 the newspaper articles that we found spoke about how a journalist for a newspaper in 721 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,520 Bluefield actually found the murder weapon. 722 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,240 It's the only time we've ever saw it. 723 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:08,800 That is the only time that that was ever mentioned. 724 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,400 Other than anything else that you ever see about it has been said that no murder weapon 725 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,880 has ever been found. 726 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,240 Nothing of that nature. 727 00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:25,840 I mean, one might be questions is too, when, like I know now, like if a piece of jewelry 728 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:33,320 or something comes up missing, and especially if it's reported as stolen, all the pawn shops 729 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,080 are reached out to. 730 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:41,720 I just wonder if the pawn shops back in the day were notified the way that they are today 731 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,360 about that? 732 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:52,880 Like dealing with like missing rings, China, and I would just like to say too, you're talking 733 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:58,880 to a girl who absolutely loves a good bridal shower and all that stuff. 734 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,720 China is still to this day a very expensive thing. 735 00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:05,800 And even back then, it was an extremely expensive thing. 736 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:13,960 And it was considered a very big gift to be gifted with a place setting of China, especially 737 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:19,640 and I certain China's calls, China patterns cost more than others. 738 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,760 And especially dealing with the material, especially if it was considered like what they 739 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,120 call a bone China. 740 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,320 And that is a very expensive piece. 741 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:36,640 And it just makes me wonder if the pawn shops weren't notified to be on lookout for China 742 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:42,000 or, you know, what if they weren't, what if this was somebody for her and that they took 743 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:48,000 the China place settings for a piece of payment or along with her rings? 744 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,840 Because I feel that the rings would have more value than what her rhinestone necklace would 745 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:52,840 be. 746 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:58,160 Also, another thing that we were talking about last night, we were talking about this a little 747 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,960 bit more, was about her watch. 748 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:11,400 And I kind of came up with the theory that for that to have stopped at approximately 749 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:17,160 a 15 that the little pin handle on the side or whatever it's called, would have to be 750 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,160 pulled out. 751 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:23,880 I mean, with the band being broken and on the ground, the watch would have been ripped 752 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:24,880 off for rest. 753 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,320 I mean, there would have had to have been bruising. 754 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,320 100%. 755 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,760 And you never hear nothing about the bruising on her. 756 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:33,760 Nothing. 757 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,560 I mean, the death certificate literally just says homicide, that she was shot through the 758 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,960 right cheek, exited through the left neck. 759 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:44,960 That's pretty much it. 760 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,280 I mean, that's all you know about this. 761 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,200 And it kills me to this day. 762 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,720 It really does. 763 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:57,320 Because this is our biggest thing, is our theories. 764 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:04,760 I mean, we have got so many theories and we have came up with so, so many theories. 765 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:15,360 In reality though, at the end of the day, a wife lost her husband, children lost her 766 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:24,160 father, a husband lost his wife, their daughters lost her mother, brothers and sisters were 767 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,080 affected by this. 768 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:32,040 And at the end of the day, you had two lives lost. 769 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:37,560 Stay tuned for our next episode dropping on November 18th, the missing case of the soldier 770 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:44,200 on Bolt Mountain, James Lee Haines. 771 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:50,120 Don't forget to follow Mountain State Mysteries on Instagram, Facebook and Tiktok. 772 00:54:50,120 --> 00:55:15,120 For all of our source material, check out our website, mountainstaymysteriespodcast.com.