CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: Hello and welcome to the National Trust
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Today we're out walking through the hills of Oxfordshire, the
wetlands of Wicken Fen, the valleys of the Upper Conwy
catchment and the Mourne Mountains in Northern Ireland.
That's quite some trek for a single walk. So join from the
comfort of your home and find out what unites all of these
unique and wonderful landscapes, and how caring for the natural
world is playing a role in the cost and taste of our pints.
I've come today for a bit of a walk that I'm familiar with. So
I’m at Coleshill, which is a village in Oxfordshire, and it's
somewhere I walk a lot with my black lab buddy.
Great rolling hills. Views to the white Horse at Uffington.
The Ridgeway. And at the other side of the estate the land
drops down towards the Thames and it's that direction I'm
going to walk first.
I'm meeting Richard, who looks after the countryside here, and
he's going to explain about some of the work that they do.
We've got to head up through the village. So up the hill past the
National Trust owned cottages. They're all chocolate box.
They're all beautiful. One of which is the Radnor Arms, an
amazing little pub with cosy nooks and crannies in it.
And we're going to have a little stop there later because it
features actually in 100 Great Pub Walks, a book from the
National Trust. And we're going to go on one of those walks. And
hopefully at the end of the day, Richard is going to take me back
to the pub and have a well-earned pint.
We've walked up from the Coleshill Estate office through
the village, past the Radnor Arms, the pub a lovely little
spot to meet Richard Watson, who's one of the countryside
team that looks after the landscape here.
Hi, Richard. Nice to meet you.
RICHARD WATSON: Good morning, lovely to meet you!
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: I'm assuming you're Richard with
binoculars around your head and wellies on your feet. You are
well equipped.
RICHARD WATSON: I am.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: This is such a lovely part of the world
to call your office.
RICHARD WATSON: It is. It's fabulous. We're lucky here
because we've got the Cotswolds to the north of us. And then
people go down towards kind of Dorset, Devon and stuff for the
holidays. But it's a bit of a forgotten corner here. But
actually, as you can see, it's beautiful, lovely rolling
countryside with the River Thames, to the north of us here.
So we're looking over the Thames kind of flood plain.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: And a lot of what we can see dropping down
away in front of us is it's land that the National Trust manages.
RICHARD WATSON: It is. Yes. so, Buscot and Coleshill Estates
amount to 2700 hectares altogether. So, yes, a large,
area of land.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: Unsurprisingly for Richard, the
team and the millions that work outdoors throughout the year,
things can get a bit wet.
But working out what to do in the face of extreme and changing
weather conditions adds to the daily challenge of looking after
the countryside.
A lot of the work that you do around here, as we're looking
down at the Thames, having climbed up to the top of the
hill from the River Cole, hence Coleshill, I guess, you're doing
a lot of work on the River Cole and in the Valley then around
the Thames, because Buscot village has the Thames running
through it doesn't it?.
RICHARD WATSON: It does, so water is a key theme here, both
managing water in the winter or in the summer if there's big
storms trying to reduce flooding, but also then
conversely, in the summer during droughts, trying to keep more of
the water back.
Yeah. Managing the water is, a key theme for us and
increasingly so as the climate is changing, we're getting more
intense, weather events.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: In the time leading up to meeting Richard,
there had been four major storms in three months putting extra
strains on the landscape.
This has meant that the land Richard looks after alongside
tenant farmers has been subject to intense flooding, causing the
farmers to lose an entire crop.
RICHARD WATSON: So our farm tenants are finding it
increasingly difficult to grow cereal crops. As you can see,
the one in front of us on the top of the hill there was this
was down by the river. It would have been under water on and off
since mid-September, right the way through.
So the farmers have either been unable to plant the cereal crop,
or they did manage to get it in the ground. And then floods have
come along and it's been under water for several weeks, and
that would have killed it off.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: The effects of climate change have been more
noticeable in recent times than ever before. It's not just the
dramatic images of damage we see in the news, but deeper and
longer lasting effects at the top of our food chain.
While farmers are finding it hard to grow the crops they need
to keep the nation fed, the wonky weather is having a knock
on effect for the things we love to treat ourselves with.
In a recent BBC news article, it's reported that the changing
climate is also having an impact on the taste and cost of beer as
well, with researchers from Cambridge University identifying
a growing problem with hotter, drier summers and more intense
winters.
It's in that direction towards Cambridge, where the next stop
on our pub walk begins.
A stone's throw from the Maids head pub is Wicken Fen, the
oldest nature reserve in the National Trust. At no other
place is it more noticeable to trace the fine lines between
what is good for looking after our planet, versus the necessary
agricultural work needed to keep us ticking.
It's there that we meet Ajay Tegala, a ranger, helping to
restore some of the land previously lost to intense
farming practices.
AJAY TEGALA: The Fens of East Anglia once spread for thousands
of square miles really, it was this vast area of reeds of
water, and wildlife. But over the last sort of few centuries,
really, it's gradually been tamed and drained for
agriculture, for development.
So a lot of this happened in the 1600s. A lot of land was drained
then and up into the Victorian times, because it's really good
for growing crops.
It's a really good place to feed the nation from.
And of course we've got Cambridge nearby, so that's
growing.
So there’s all this pressure to use the land for man-made
pursuits. So over a period of several years, literally, it was
all lost apart from less than 1%. And Wicken Fen is part of
that less than 1% of original Fen.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: Part of what made The Fens so attractive
for farming. It's peat rich landscape.
AJAY TEGALA: Peat is very good for farming because it has a
high moisture content, and crops need water to grow, so it's the
perfect growing medium for agriculture.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: Peat is a bit of an organic super
material, great for growing, but even better at protecting our
planet.
Peatlands like Wicken Fen amount to just over 10% of the total
land in the UK.
Just that small amount holds more carbon than all of the
forests in France, Germany and Britain combined. There is,
however, a catch.
In order to stay effective at capturing carbon, peat needs to
stay wet and undisturbed, something which historically
hasn't happened.
AJAY TEGALA: When peat is removed from the environment,
whether it be perhaps being ploughed and getting sort of
whipped up into a dust, it can blow away because it's very
fine.
They used to be these big, thick, chocolate coloured clouds
years ago called fen blows. We don't get them so much now, but
occasionally we do.
So that happens. The soil is lost. It literally blows away.
And at the same time, that process releases carbon into the
atmosphere.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: The draining of the Fens for farming
to gain access to more fertile land, to grow crops on, has been
described as the greatest single ecological catastrophe that has
ever occurred in England.
Part of the work Ajay and the team are undertaking is
restoring as much peatland habitat as possible.
Not only is this helping to tackle the carbon in the
atmosphere, but it's also allowing nature to thrive. And
when it can do that, the positive outcomes keep on
growing.
AJAY TEGALA: The drainage of the Fens had a-
Well, a catastrophic effect on biodiversity and on nature. So
many things were lost. So we've got species that went extinct.
The swallowtail butterfly, for example, hung on. at Wicken Fen
until the 1950s, but even the conservation work we were doing
here wasn't enough to sustain it because, wildlife needs a large
area.
So that's kind of what we're doing here, is we're creating
wider space for nature to have more room to spread and
colonize. And actually, one of the species that were lost 500
years ago was Britain's tallest bird, the crane.
They went extinct due to hunting and loss of habitat, loss of the
wetlands because they nest in remote, reedy spots where
they're undisturbed.
But a few years ago, they made a comeback to Wicken and they're
on the up. So it's been yeah, a huge loss. But it's not
irreversible. And that's the beauty of it.
I mean, Wicken Fen’s an amazing place. So much history, so many
wildlife species recorded. But it is just a little fragment in
a desert really surrounded by intensively managed land.
So much has been lost and as good as Wicken itself is, it's
so small and it's almost like an upside down saucer.
It's kind of like a little mound surrounded by lower lying
ground.
And that means that the water, by the nature of gravity, drains
away.
And so we're constantly trying to keep it wet so those species
that need that wet environment have the habitat they need to
thrive.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: When it comes to working with gravity,
one of the more challenging spots for peatland restoration
is on the side of a mountain.
And it's there where our next pub walk takes place.
Around the peaks and valleys of the Mourne Mountains in Northern
Ireland are some stunning walks for the more adventurous, with a
cosy rest stop, the Harbour House Inn and Macken’s Bar in
Newcastle.
Like Wicken Fen, the area is cared for by a team of rangers,
one of which is James Fisher, who has some unique ways of
keeping the peatlands healthy.
JAMES FISHER: Whenever we look at the plants that are growing
here, it actually it would come out is that as almost an acid
grassland or dry heath because there's so little water is
actually being retained by the deep peat here.
So what we're doing in the erosion gullies is constructing
small timber dams. And where we have shallower gradients we use,
bunds.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: A bund is a type of embankment, sort of like
a dam that's designed to keep water in one place.
The bunds that have been created at the Mournes have been made
with some special help from some woolly creatures.
JAMES FISHER: The bunds themselves, which, it's really
interesting, we've been trialling the use of sheep well,
to make the bunds.
These would normally be made from the coir, which is a
byproduct of that sort of coconut fibre.
If we can use the sheep wool which is from the sheep that are
actually grazing the site, it's a good use of that wool.
And it's, it allows circularity to the process.
Whenever we install these dams, the water then collects behind
them. We're not trying to keep the water on the mountain as
such, just to slow it enough that the surrounding landscape
then starts to wet up and we get the regeneration of some of the
peat building plants, such as the Sphagnum Moss and the
sedges.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: By allowing these plants to grow and then
naturally decay in order to form the peat, it’s hoped that this
can kickstart some organic regeneration, but it's a very
slow process.
JAMES FISHER: Peat forms at something like a millimetre a
year, so you can imagine the length of time it takes for any
sort of depth of peat to accumulate.
But, over time, that forms a thick blanket over the
landscape, which is why we call it a blanket bog.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: The final stop on our pub walk takes us to
North Wales and the Upper Conwy catchment. The area accounts for
3% of the total land in Wales, which is roughly equivalent to
the size of the Isle of Wight.
With an area that vast, there are too many great watering
holes and walks to mention fully but aside from the physical work
of restoring the peatland within it, Ranger Dewi Davis explains
that it's the connection with the people in the landscape that
can really help to make a difference.
DEWI DAVIS: The area that I work in is to the northeast of Eryri
National Park, also known as Snowdonia National Park, and
it's basically the river catchment of Afon Conwy. The
river Conwy.
It starts in the uplands of somewhere called Y Migneint and
it flows down all the way to Conwy itself, where the famous
Conwy Castle is.
There's parts of the catchment higher up, certainly where it's
pretty idyllic, you know, it's the typical views and scenery of
a national park such as Eryri, the mountains are a bit more
rugged there.
But to the south and to the east, and you've got this vast
area of peatland called Y Migneint. And that's a focus, an
area of focus for our project, really, in terms of the
restoration of the peatland there.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: Like the other rangers we have met on our
walks, Dewi and the team work tirelessly to keep the peatlands
wet and the water in places it's supposed to be.
DEWI DAVIS: But none of that would or could happen on the
ground if we hadn't engaged with, the community we're
working in.
You know, ignore the people at your peril. has always been my,
sort of mantra in the project, because if you don't bring them
along with you, I'm paraphrasing Attenborough here, you know, if
they don't understand the work that you're doing, and why, how
can they possibly care about it themselves?
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: For Dewi, there is a special connection
between the Welsh language and a sense of belonging, with a
phrase taken from sheep farming.
DEWI DAVIS: One of them, one of my favourites, really, is, the
notion of Cynefin. The notion of it sort of translates across to
humans as well.
You belong to a Cynefin. This is your Cynefin, your patch. You're
comfortable there. It's where you were born and bred.
And you know pretty much everyone there.
And you know the rhythms of the place and all sorts so.
I think if you talk about Cynefin, you truly understand
the concept of Cynefin not just for farming, but for, from a
human perspective as well.
You're already there, some way with some of our communities.
Some of the best time I've spent has been in a farmer's kitchen,
just having cups of tea and talking about everything but
work that sort of builds that trust.
Then you can get on to the task or the job, or the idea that
you've got and yeah, without the people, you don't get anything
done.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: When it comes to connecting with people,
there are fewer places, more perfect than the pub, and it's
there that local community action and care for our spaces
can grow.
Tom Cox looks after his local meetup of a group called People,
Planet, Pint. It's a worldwide collective started by Small 99
that aims to get people together and chatting about the world
around them.
TOM COX: I like to think of it as a very inclusive community
for anyone who is interested or concerned or just wants to talk
about sustainability, to kind of come along and talk about it.
It's got no specific agenda. We've got no topics that kind of
have to be discussed.
It just really is, just a space for folks to, to come and have a
chat.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: Thinking about the environment and what
to do as an individual can often feel a little bit of a daunting
task.
But Tom is confident that by getting the conversations going
at the local and by making the planet a little bit more front
and centre in our social lives, we can work together to achieve
our goals.
TOM COX: I think I'm optimistic about, about people and kind of,
you know, People, Planet, Pint is an excellent example of how
people come together and talk about these things and take
these problem seriously and, and think of ways to solve the
problem.
I have absolutely no idea what it's going to be like in five
years time.
But I am, always encouraged by the amount of mobilization and
about the amount of passionate people that are out there trying
to create solutions to solve the problem.
It’s too big of a challenge to really predict where we're going
to be.
But I'm hoping at least socially, we'll be in a much
better place and we'll have a lot more people mobilized and
focused on solving these issues.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: Back home in Oxfordshire having just
finished our walk and coming back to the Radnor Arms for our
pit stop, Richard tells me about some of the things that we can
do at home to help nature thrive.
RICHARD WATSON: If you've got room to plant a small tree, a
birch or crab-apple or cherry or something like that then do.
That's great.
Provide, nectar, fruit, nuts, seeds for, birds and animals and
insects.
A pond is one of the best things you can do for wildlife. So even
if that's just a bucket sunk in the ground, with fresh water in,
then the water boatmen and insects will, come to that
within a few days.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: The journey from wise, an insect important
to saving our planet is a is a huge leap, isn't it?
RICHARD WATSON: It is.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: But what you're saying is, actually,
these are the fundamental things. This is the stuff you
can do at home. And this is what is going to start that positive
snowball effect, that chain of events that is going to have an
impact.
RICHARD WATSON: Yes. The experts say that actually, if you add up
the area of all our gardens in the UK, then it's much greater
than the area of other nature reserves. So by all of us doing
a little bit in our garden, we can help wildlife that will help
with climate change as well.
And it can be a real positive, exciting journey and you can
share it with your children, your grandchildren.
You know, we all live to see, insects and things. And so yeah,
it's really great to have the wildlife in our garden.
We can all provide a bit of space. We can all help do our
little bit, and then at a cumulative scale and it starts
to make a really big difference.
CLAIRE HICKINBOTHAM: That's a wonderful idea. And I think we
can all raise a glass to that!
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