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Astonishing Legends Network.

Disclaimer, this episode includes the usual amount of adult language and graphic discussions you've come to expect around here. But in the event it becomes an unusual amount, expect another call from me.

All right, we're in. Welcome back, everybody. Welcome to the show. This week, we're doing something a little bit different than we have in the past. This has been, Jesus Christ, what a 2025. It's like non-stop from the fires. And then now I have my kid who's wonderful and we love, but throwing a little bit of a wrench in the podcast researching, writing and recording plans. So this week we have our first ever from Ed, what is this? May 2024?

Yeah, I think this was May 2024 when we did our first like premium live stream.

This is a premium live stream that is, we are putting out as an episode for your listening pleasure.

Straight from the archives, first time heard anywhere for free. And you're going to hear it and be like, this should have been for free. I can't believe someone paid for this.

No, no, no.

But it's the very first one.

It was the very first one. We've gotten way better. I think if I may pat us on the back, the charm is there.

Yeah.

The material is there. We're just a little...

The only thing that's also there are all the technical errors and fuck ups and flub ups that we've since ironed out in a big way. But yeah, you're going to hear microphone stuff. You're going to hear internet connection issues. But that's, yeah, again, part of the charm.

You know what else they're going to hear? Our theme song.

Oh, shit. People have never heard the theme song outside of Patreon before. The Scared All The Time live stream theme.

Yeah, it's a banger. You're going to love it. It's going to become meme fodder for all of you, I think. And don't think that just because we're putting out one live episode that you could just not sign up for the Patreon and hear all these live episodes. It's not happening.

Well, especially since now, it's really morphed in a big way into like a hangout. There's a lot of hangout in this episode, but there's a lot more of a hangout vibe these days. We've got drink check. We've got all these little things we do with a lot of audience participation and check-ins these days, which you'll hear a little bit of at the beginning of this old episode, but we've really kind of honed that in and have a little bit more kind of, I guess, scared all time bingo card of sorts that we're hitting more.

So if you like what you hear for this live episode, sign up for the Patreon. You'll get one of these live episodes a month. You'll be able to come join us, chat with us, talk to us, hang out with us. They're so much fun. We love doing them. I think I'm supposed to announce a date for the next one right now, but I don't know that we, next Thursday?

It could be. I mean, we'll post. We'll post it somewhere.

We'll post. It'll be coming up next week because it's the end of the month, so it's that time. The other thing we wanted to announce is that we are now, and this has been long planned, but now that Felix is here, we are switching from our 10 weeks on, a month off, roughly pattern of releasing these episodes to releasing an episode every other week, no months off. So, you'll still be getting roughly the same amount, if not maybe one or two more episodes of the show every year for free. They're just going to be a little bit more spread out to make sure that Ed and I have enough time, especially working around baby stuff, to be researching and writing and recording the episodes and getting them out, so that they're on a regular release pattern for you guys, for the advertisers, and for honestly for not running out of episodes, because we did 46 episodes in our first year or something, and there's a lot of fears out there, but we want this show to go on for a long time, and doing 50 episodes a year of back to... Well, I just said you're going to get the same amount, so we're still going to run out of fears. It doesn't matter. It's going to be great.

Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it feels like a loss, but it's actually a gain for you guys. It's a gain for all of us. So yeah, that was a long time coming. But that said, very constrained for time with the baby being brand fucking new. So this week, we've decided, like we said, to pull something from the archives, give it to you guys, see if you're into it, but also more importantly, less work for me this week, less work for Chris this week. And so, you know, let us know.

Yeah. And genuinely, if you like it, sign up for Patreon. That's how we'll know you like it. Yeah.

Yeah. And if you don't, keep that to your fucking self because, you know, people who do like it, like it, and they don't want to hear, you know, your naysaying.

Yeah.

And we don't actually do audio only versions of this normally. So there are chapters in the episode description. So at any point, you're like, oh, these guys are just talking to the audience. I want to hear a story. I want to blah, blah, blah. You can find all that in the chapters. Just jump to story one, story two, story three. The full video will be available as well. And that video will have corresponding chapters to the audio only version. Just so you have that option in case you're like, what the fuck are they talking about or looking at? But I did try it. But the first episode actually has less than other episodes of moments that are truly like visuals important.

Yeah. Well, we've gotten a lot better at bringing up visuals during the show and showing it to the people who are on stream. So there's more to be missed in later episodes if you were just hearing the show.

Exactly.

This first one.

Exactly.

We didn't do a lot.

And this is also a good look behind the curtain of what the show sounds like before you get it. With all the ahs and ums and weird pauses and me going to the bathroom and fucking Chris doing whatever the fuck he does. So, you know, if nothing else, this is a good thing to listen to so you can really appreciate what I do.

Yeah.

So anyway, that's everything I've got to say. Chris, do you have anything before we get into this? Before I play young baby versions of us?

I do have. It is. It's going to be like Muppet Baby's version of us. Our voices are so much higher. No, I have one timely piece of news that I did want to call everyone's attention to, just because the world's in rough shape right now. So one thing we definitely want to see is that two days ago, by the time you're listening to this, a rare doomsday fish from the deep sea washed ashore in Mexico. It's an oarfish, which is a very cool looking, big white sea serpent kind of fish. And according to Mexican folklore, it can be a harbinger of doom. And the guy who recorded this happening on video saw the fish coming to shore. And according to the Washington Post, he recalled that the fish seemed confused. And so was he.

What are you doing?

Hayes said aloud as he filmed. A fisherman nearby says, he's come up here to die. And then they try to put it back in the water. But it did a big loop and came back on the shore. The fisherman figured that the fish was disoriented or distressed. So he collected it and announced he was taking it to a marine biologist, which I highly doubt. I think.

We're eating doomsday tonight, baby.

Yeah, doomsday taco on the beach is one great way to go out. There's also, in terms of weird fish dying, I don't know. Ed, did you see the angler fish, the demon black angler fish?

Yeah, I saw it was like during the daylight or something. It looked pretty well lit. I don't know if...

Yeah, well, they're usually very, very, very deep sea fish. And this one was dying. And so it floated up to the surface. And the photo of it, I think, is like the only photo of it in existence, maybe, because usually it's too dark. But it's one of the very few and it's nearer the surface. So there's a lot of light coming through the water.

Shit, man. A lot of fish are trying to get out of there.

Yeah. What's going on in the ocean?

I don't know. How many minutes to midnight are they down there?

Yeah. The Sebastian moved his shell clock.

The Marine minutes to midnight, which is, yeah, I think that was a cut song from Little Mermaid.

All right, guys. Well, with that, enjoy this look at us live and enjoy the theme song.

It's a moral gray area, but a lot of people like it. We'll talk more about that in the episode itself. Hello.

Hello. We're live.

Turns out that was a...

The next hour to hour and a half won't be as good as that. And we're together today, and that is, I'm... It's the only approved use of AI that I would approve is it being unable to pronounce live and just saying live.

No, yeah, as you guys know, we're anti-AI and all that bullshit. I do think the sound generator is insane. That's, I mean, I think I sent it to Tess earlier, and she was like, who is singing that? And I'm like, yeah, I know, I got so confused. I get so scared. I mean, not scared, but I mean, when people send me shit like that, I'm always like, wait, you know somebody in a band? Like, it's just the song generator was so good on day one. And now that we can add our own lyrics, it's just like, I don't know, man. We all got to... Anybody have jobs for us? We're all moving out of this industry.

This won't surprise anyone, but the first song I generated was a pop punk song in the style of Blink 182 about capturing and riding the Loch Ness Monster. And it was great. I was horrified, but I listened to it for like a week. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It was funny.

No, it's really good. Yeah, hold on. We have jobs. India Potter says we can come work in Indiana. So I'm on my way. I'm going on a road trip anyway. Yeah, that's a good question. I should have asked doing what? Oh, Cassie says it was oddly American. It's the only only way I know to do your head.

Okay. Higher Ed. That's good.

Oh, higher education. I thought they were saying, I heard you say higher Ed. I'm like, I think she already, you don't need to give a hard sell for me.

But also do higher Ed. Yeah, that's a fun. That was a fun pun.

I can probably get a job doing higher education. I have a bunch of years. I worked on emulating television shows.

Nice. That's pretty cool, India. I do multimedia for online school at BSU.

Hell yeah. So let me see who else we got here.

I sometimes feel like a teacher, a higher Ed teacher with all the research that I end up doing for this podcast. It's like writing lesson plans about the least important things in the world.

Or your worst student. You have to make them really dumb down.

So welcome everybody. We're going to, I think we're going to end up chatting for just a few minutes before we start some of the stuff that we research and prepare just to give people time to file in in the future as word spreads and more and more people listen and show up when they're supposed to on time and stuff. We'll get started more promptly.

But might as well take time to say hi, Samantha Cardamon, Cardamon.

Yes, Samantha. I feel like you've been ride or dive from pretty early. I want to say you were maybe the first like 100 Facebook followers, maybe. Yeah, because the last name sounds like Cardamom, so it's stuck in my head when I see it.

Sure. Yeah. And I think I just definitely sent something in the mail to you the other day. So good to see the name again. It's good to see the name popping up.

It's old school.

Astonishing Legends gives a vote of approval here, as you can see.

So yeah. Well, let's do this. Whoever else who has access to the chat that's watching, give us a wave so we can see who's here and we can say hello.

And also we'll try and fill the air. I think we're going to also be releasing these as audio only, maybe some people like that kind of stuff. So we're probably trying to do too much dead air. Also let us know if Chris' mic sounds like shit.

Hello.

Hey.

All right. We got some cool people here. We got Savannah Bowman. Hello. We've got Casey Lee or Klee 98. Cassie also not known as Cassidy is here. Got the Higgs, Lauren Higgins.

Nice.

Got Sky Sip. It's a very fun name.

Sky Skip.

Oh, Sky Skip. OK. It's different entirely.

Skywalker. But.

Sup, Lauren. I think Lauren also. Oh, my gosh. I actually I have Lauren's packages in this office with me right now. I'm not going to show it in camera because it has her address, but I literally do right now. Yeah. Yeah, because it's it's it hasn't gone out yet, but it's it's right on the desk next to me, literally Lauren's. So just know it's not it's probably not going to get there before the holiday. Oh, shit, Zelda. What's up, Zelda? That's another name I remember from the packages.

Yeah.

Yep.

Cassie's asking if we're getting frog content tonight. I think frog content probably will be you won't hear them in the background. Ed would not allow me to broadcast from somewhere that you could hear the frogs. Hence why I'm in front of the Amityville house. Part of the fun of these live shows and the AMA, I don't know if any of you have asked AMA questions yet, but part of the fun of AMA and the live show is as we do this more and we start to get a hang of it, we'll start theming these a little bit. So I would not be surprised if in the not too distant future, we have a very frog heavy live episode where we talk about frogs. I can talk about my favorite species. I can talk about the different kinds of frogs that I've owned, the frogs I'd like to own, the terrariums I've designed for them in my head already. Yeah.

So speaking of designed pieces of material, I don't know what I'm saying, but Jen, hey Jen, our buddy Jen's here and she says that she's also anti-AI, which is a great stance to take. But she likes the theme, says it slaps. So it does slap. I would never have used it. I would never have gone back on my such staunch anti-AI stance, unless it was like, this is so good, I have to use it. The only thing that bums me out about it, also, hello Scott. Scott Philbrook is here. We have a bit of a celebrity in the house. He's using a purple wave hand.

He's listened to our episodes, but it makes me nervous to podcast live in front of-

In front of the world's greatest live podcaster, Scott Philbrook? Yeah, it's going to be, we have a lot to show. Oh yeah, we're going to be doing a live show with him. So this is like a trial run. Anyone who's going to Monsterfest will definitely see us with Scott and Forrest doing something. We don't know yet.

It'll be the first time. Well, I guess we got on the holiday thing with them together, but other than that, it's going to be the first time we've ever like podcasted with them.

Oh, India is going to be at Monsterfest. So we'll see you there. One of the all-time great, well, not great. Remember that guy who gave us a review that was like, Ed sucks because he interrupts Chris all the time or whatever.

There's one of our, hold on, just one of our very few bad reviews. This guy is mad that Ed interrupts me, which is what you people are paying for is for the interruptions. Let's be real. And but he refused to even say Ed's name. And at the end, he said, I might even know his name if he didn't interrupt so much.

So yeah, I know he, I mean, that's not why I was bringing it up. And that was, that's not, we don't need a dramatic reading of the guy's review. But it's funny is that like, he's, he's just like, man, this guy's a bummer. But then he mentions, the reason I bring it up is he mentions the Christmas episode, the Astonishing Legends Christmas episode. And he was like, you know, which is weird, because I actually thought Ed was great on the Christmas show. He didn't say my name, but he was like, oh, I actually thought that guy was great on the Astonishing Legends Christmas show. So he's not like the worst all the time. And I'm like, oh, thanks.

Crazy.

Yeah, it's, it's. But that's, that's, you know, so far we've been pretty fortunate with a lot of really good reviews, though. And this is a trial run, though. So hopefully we don't nobody thinks this is what the show is going to be like. Your mic sounds insane. I just realized that I have the it's nearly time to start background still on. So let's adjust that to it's fully been started.

There you go.

Looks good.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right. Well, I think I think we've given the people some time to shuffle in so we can dive into some of what we've got to talk about today.

So yeah, hold on. We should mention, by the way, in case, because it sounds like in case people don't know, I'm sorry to interrupt, is that Tess, I think, is saying that she's the person behind the people on the mics. And in case people don't know, I can't imagine if you're here this early in our live shows, you don't know who Tess Feifel is. But she's producer extraordinaire, stash and legends, longtime researcher, and then I think probably holds a couple other titles there. Well, if anyone wants, we'll bring her in later in the show. It's fine this episode, I'm saying. But we'll definitely have her come on some live shows. But she's the best. So if you don't know her, she's great.

Truly. Thank you, Tess. So, yeah, we're going to we're going to do our first live episode kind of aping Astonishing Legends as we have done from day one and do some news stories that are very a little weird and I think related to topics we've covered on the show that I think are interesting to talk about. So what we're going to do is pull one of these up. So the first one that I found that struck me as something that would be fun to talk about on the show is you guys may remember from our Alaska slash what was the Abandon Towns episode.

Abandon Towns.

Abandon Towns. One of one of our early experiments in podcasting. We actually released that episode way after we recorded it.

Yeah. Should we reveal that here? Exclusive?

Exclusive. We almost didn't release that episode because it was the second we recorded and we had no idea. We had no idea what was like a good episode or a bad episode. And I remember we finished and just the air in the room was like Ed and I were both like, how?

Yeah, we were disappointed. We were like, we fucked up. Like we should not have made a podcast.

And then Ed was cutting it later and he was like, I think it's actually good. And now it's one of our favorite episodes.

So it has become one of my favorite episodes. Samantha says it's her favorite episode. I guess I'll just assume Samantha's a woman. Hello. It could be the same. The guy, I don't know. Either way. Thank you, Samantha. It's also one of our favorite episodes. That episode makes me laugh a ton. And it's just so funny that, like you said, we were so disappointed when we recorded it. And it was like, maybe we need more. We just need more or better. We actually have, there's a bunch of bonus content from that episode. We have two more pretty big stories and an interview that never came up from that episode.

Oh, that's right.

Yeah. Yeah. So people will get that at some point.

Eventually. Yeah. But the reason this article reminded me of that episode is because you may remember a discussion in that episode of the non-Tugnuk or the Galookagoo as Ed called it, which was a Sasquatch type creature that was loose in the woods, smashing people to pieces. And I noticed this article because this was sort of another person who had been found smashed pieces in the woods, but the culprit was not the non-Tugnuk. It was not a Sasquatch or criminals. In this case, it was a moose, which killed this guy in Alaska when he was attempting to take photos of her newborn calves. So this guy also was very old. He was a 70-year-old man. I'll read from the article here.

It's not very old anymore.

That's true. But old enough that if you have this happen to you, you're not going to recover in the hospital. A 70-year-old Alaska man who was attempting to take photos of two newborn moose calves was attacked and killed by their mother, authorities said on Monday. This was posted May 20th, so just the other day. The man killed Sunday was identified as Dale Shorman of Homer, said Austin McDaniel, a spokesperson for Alaska Department of Public Safety. The female moose had recently given birth to her calves in Homer, which I guess is Homer, Alaska is the place where it happened.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

Was that one of the places you went, Ed? Were you in Homer, Alaska?

I was never in Homer, but there's a, I don't even, I want to say a singer-songwriter, I wish he was more famous, named Ellis Paul, who is just awesome, but he has a great song about Homer, Alaska. So that's why I think of it.

Shout out to Ellis.

Well, hell yeah. We should get Ellis on the show, dude.

We should. Ellis should learn, if he hasn't already, that you do not want to approach a moose immediately after it's given birth to try to take pictures of its young. Because that is what Dale Shorman did, and that is when the cow moose attacked Dale, said the Department of Public Safety. The attack happened as Dale and his friend were running away. The second man was uninjured, and he did not witness the attack. So, and this is the part that reminded me of the Galookago. Authorities cannot say if the moose killed Shorman by kicking or stomping him or a combination.

You want to get it right on the forms.

So, yeah, and it makes me think that whatever they found of this guy was in pretty bad shape. If either kicking or stomping via moose occurred and they couldn't tell which it was, but they pronounced him dead at the scene, the cow moose left the area, and I don't think they've killed the moose or anything, which is awesome. There's another story in here, in this article. In 1995, a moose stomped a 71-year-old man to death when he was trying to enter a building on the campus of University of Alaska Anchorage.

Did he work there? Did the moose work there as like security?

That's the image I get is that like he went to try to go over the door and the moose came out of the building.

Oh, got you.

Witnesses said students had been throwing, this is terrible. Witnesses said students had been throwing snowballs and harassing the moose and its calf for hours. The animals were agitated when the man tried to walk past them.

Yeah, hours. Is it because the moose was like in the building and so it couldn't leave?

I don't know.

How come the moose just sat there and took it for hours?

I don't know. I think it was outside the building. I don't think the moose was in the building.

Oh my God. We got a moose in here. Let's throw snow at it. Like, it's a ridiculous. But Alaska, there ain't nothing going on up there. Is this Alaska as well?

Yeah, this is on the campus of University of Alaska Anchorage.

Yeah, there's nothing going on up there. So maybe they maybe they did like trap a moose and throw snow at it. I don't know.

Terrible. People should not spook moose or get between a mother and her calves. Said the department, these moose will become unpredictable and work to protect their calves at any cost. So all this to say, there are things that can tear you apart in the woods of Alaska that are much less dangerous seeming than a Galookagoo or a Nantanook. Moose are seemingly pretty fucking rough in and of themselves.

And they're also huge, man. I saw a few when I was up there. They're really big. They're really, really big.

Yeah, I don't know that I've ever seen one. I've definitely never seen one like in the wild the way you did. I'm trying to think I've ever seen one at a zoo or anything and how big they are. I've seen videos and they're walking down along highways and they're like, their legs are almost as tall as the car.

No, they're really big. Yeah, they're just, I was really shocked by that because I've only any kind of horned, four-legged, mammalish creature I ever see is like deer. You know what I mean? So I was like, oh, moose are probably like somewhere between deer and a cow. No, they were not. They were like, no, deer and a minivan.

They're like Ice Age style animals. Oh, they have, yeah. When you see one, you're like, that doesn't even seem like it should be here anymore.

I'm glad they're deaf.

They're definitely big enough where someone would be like, I don't know if they stepped on you or pushed you like all alt. All moose touches could be fatal. So, you know, it's hard to tell.

Yeah. So stay. I mean, I don't even walk too close to a horse because I'm so scared that a horse will just unprovoked kick and clock me in the head. And that's it.

I don't know. They seem they've been around a while. Horses, if they're like somewhere where you would be, I think they're probably comfortable with people.

Yeah, probably.

No, I don't even know where you find wild horses.

I'm not talking about wild horses.

I'm just saying. Well, I mean, the actions, I feel like you'd have to find a wild horse to have that happen. I'm just saying that just realizing right now, like, I don't even know where they where are wild horses. Are there any undomesticated horses? Let us know in the chat. Wild horses?

Yeah. That's Neil Young, right? Yeah.

No, I don't think it is.

No, I don't think so.

Well, this is a beautiful thing. We can actually look up stuff during the live show because the cracks are starting to show.

Chris doesn't know his references.

I know he has. Well, it's unclear. There is. He does have a song, presumably. It's called Wild Horses. But it doesn't. But I feel like I only know the Rolling Stones kind of version, but they could all be the same song.

Right.

You know what I mean? How that goes. They could all be written by a guy named Scoot Badoot or whatever, and they bought them all. You know what I mean? It was a different time. There was music publishing rights and stuff that it would be like, okay, eight people want to do your song.

Yeah.

Well, that's not happening now. And now AI wrote Wild Horses.

So we were going to ask Neil Young to do our theme, but we were like, fuck that. We've got access to the finest songwriting technology.

Okay. A couple of quick things we got from the chat here. Apparently, Don Draper's dad died from a drum. Well, this might be a spoiler. Died from a dramatic horse kick to the head. So I guess you're not out of line with that comment. We got to recommend Mary Roach's Animal Vegetable Criminal. When Nature Breaks the Law. It's a book. Okay. We got a book recommendation called, I think, Animal Vegetable Criminal, which I guess is like a 20 questions play on words. When Nature Breaks the Law. So Nature doesn't. It's so many things happening in that title. Because there's a law of nature, but then there's a law of man.

There's a little something for everyone in that. Yeah.

Thank you for that.

Thank you. Thank you. Oh my God. There's so many places that you can get see wild horses. Shackleford Banks, Chinkateague.

There's two places.

Okay. Three places.

Salt River in Arizona. Scott, since you're on this, is there a way to fix whatever is happening to Chris' mic? Do you hear what I'm hearing? This is a question specifically for one guest, Scott Philbrook. It's the first live show. I feel like we could be pretty fast and loose and do some tech work as well. Just let me know in the comments. So what's the next? Oh, he says it sounds fine. He wrote, it sounds fine? Question mark.

Yeah. I think we're going out over the 56K modems of the world.

Oh, good. Good, good, good, good. See if we could set up an AOL away message for when we leave this.

No, I think I'm just saying by the time it gets to the other side, I mean, I'm not sure that it, you know.

Okay, good. What a weird thing. We're just learning a lot about live shows right now. And I'm glad that we have like our most, our 14 most hardcore fans who will put up with it.

Absolutely. Guys, this is going to be a moment that gets talked about in the future, the time we got on the first live show. Okay, so the next article I wanted to talk about is sort of related to eating alive, because as we all know, I think about being eaten alive too much. And that episode, we've really talked a lot about how vicious wild animals are, and that's true. But I also, you know, sometimes my heart is warmed by stories of animals that are shown a bunch of love from a human and they develop some degree of trust and safety or whatever version of love is kicking around in an animal's head. And so this story kind of leapt out to me. I guess it's the opposite of eaten alive. But this is also, it's not just a public interest story. It's sort of an ask to help solve a crime. So the article was posted, published on NPR on the beginning of the month, May 3rd. And the headline is, Have You Seen This Emotional Support Gator? Wally's Owner Says He's Lost in Georgia. In Ordinary Times, the social media accounts devoted to Wally Gator document the nearly six foot long emotional support alligator's adventures around Pennsylvania. Visiting nursing homes, which sounds like it could go so bad, so fast. But so-

Okay, wait, you know, the question, because the way you said it, the inflection in your voice. Did you start a sentence or end a sentence with visiting nursing homes? Which is this question. The reason I ask is because I don't know if the, if the, I almost said dinosaur, but that's not wrong. If the, does the crocodile visit nursing homes or do nursing homes go on field trips to it? That's what I was like. Visiting nursing homes. I just want to know more about his very lives.

I feel like, I feel like bringing the nursing home to the alligator is like bringing an unsuspecting victim into like a serial killer's basement. You're just like asking for trouble at that point. I hope they bring Wally to the nursing home. He's out of his element. He's less likely to drag an old man into a swamp at a nursing home. So, and no, but I was, that's not the end of the sentence. That's just a very funny item to start this list with. So Wally's been on adventures around Pennsylvania, visiting nursing homes, splashing around in Philadelphia's Love Park fountain, meeting with the mayor and smiling contentedly in his red harness as various admirers hug and hold him.

This is a kept gator.

This is a kept gator with an owner who is asking to be sued, I feel like.

No, it's true. I didn't think about that.

You can't just bring an alligator around the town and let people hug him.

I don't know. If he has the paperwork, I mean, can anyone get away? Because there was a dog that barked the whole fucking time on this plane, on this flight I was on last year or whatever. But it was someone's support dog. So are we allowed to do anything or say anything then? Because it's like, well, no, they need it. We all need to be in a worse-off mood because they need to be in a better mood.

Here's the better question. Is your emotional support alligator allowed to eat someone else's emotional support dog?

Oh, shoot.

Yeah, I mean, that's a vibe.

It's like rock, paper, scissors. You're not going to win that.

It's too big to argue with.

It's a rumor or something. Yeah. So anyway, this guy, I guess, let strangers hold his crocodile. In recent days, however, they, being Wally's owners, have been overtaken with pleas for help. Wally is missing in Georgia where his owner, Joey, J-O-I-E Henny.

Chris, you see this comment?

No.

Oh, you're not looking at the screen. You're reading?

Yeah. Wait, which one am I looking at?

Samantha says, I live in Philly suburbs and Wally is the least crazy thing here in Philly, which makes sense. That place is known for sports fans throwing batteries at each other and shit.

Yeah. I was just talking to someone who's actually, my buddy is a cinematographer and he's shooting an HBO show in and around Philly and he told me some crazy stories from being there for four weeks. So anyway, Joey Henney says that Wally Gator was kidnapped in Georgia, recovered and released into a swamp. Henney and Wally were visiting friends in Brunswick when someone took the gator from his pen in the early morning hours of April 21st. The Wally Gator Facebook page posted on Saturday. Here's a quote. Wally was stolen by some jerk who likes to drop alligators off into someone's yard to terrorize them.

Wait, wait a second. I'm so confused. So Wally was stolen from his owner by someone whose reputation precedes them as someone who likes to use alligators as like a prank. So he's adding to his prank arsenal of alligators.

Yeah, it's just such a specific thing. I wonder if Joey Henney has done this in the past. Because that's a real, it's easy to reach for Wally was stolen by some jerk who wanted to sell him to be turned into an alligator purse or something. But some jerk who likes to drop alligators off in someone's yard to terrorize them is a very specific.

It's so specific. It seems the writer had that happen and had the beef. Shit, man.

Yeah. Well, okay, wait. So the rest of this starts to make a little bit more sense then. Because I was going to say above it says that Wally was kidnapped and released into a swamp. And then now he's saying he was dropped off in someone's yard. And then this next part, though, says once discovered the neighbors called Department of Natural Resources. And then the Department of Natural Resources called the Trapper who came and got Wally and dropped him off in a swamp with about 20 other alligators on that same day. So they're just moving alligators in bulk.

I mean, around Florida or Georgia or whatever.

Wally's life sounds pretty shit. Like he's just like, all right, where am I going? All right, yard. All right. Oh, where am I going? Going back to the swamp. Okay. Hey, where are we going to? To an old person's home? All right. It's either the chillest alligator in the world or it's just like a dim, dim-witted alligator who's lost.

Well, a spokesperson for the Georgia Department of Resources told NPR that the permitted trapper who had captured Wally had responded to a quote, nuisance alligator call and later released it in a remote location. So there's enough gators in this area that they have a term for the nuisance alligator call.

Sure.

Don't love that. That's too many.

I mean, this is Florida?

Georgia.

Well, that's right there. It's on the border.

It could have come from Florida. Yeah. But then, so here's the thing. The Wally Gator Facebook page did not specify the location of the swamp that they suspect Wally was released in, but urged people to get in touch with Wally's owner to aid in the search and pray because we need a miracle, quote, especially given the presence of the other alligators.

Oh, they don't think Wally can handle himself. You know, Wally was a domesticated alligator. He's not used to he's going into gen pop now, dude.

He wants hugs. He wants hugs from the lady outside the liquor store. He doesn't he doesn't know how to fight another alligator.

Oh, so he was raised in captivity, Wally. I guess if they're saying that, then he's he's not a hard alligator. Wally is no longer with us. What we're saying Wally Wally had to join a gang against his will and now we don't know what he's doing.

Yeah. Yeah, this is May 3rd. So I think Wally. Well, hold on. Let me see. Let me check. I didn't Wally.

Oh, you don't have alerts on your phone for Wally. Whereabouts, you don't get Wally updates.

Wally Gator update. Okay, we're going to Facebook, facebook.com/thewallygator. Sure. All right. The top post is okay.

Oh, hell yes, man. All right.

So the top, May 22nd. Hello, everyone. And I have no more context for this than anybody listening. So I'm just going to read this. Hello, everyone. I know everybody is curious about Joey's meeting on Tuesday. All I can say is it went very well. I know everyone wants details. However, I can no longer provide that information. So it does sound like Wally joined a gang. Like the cops are involved. As I am sure many of you are aware, there is a group of people who have made it their mission to prevent us from rescuing Wally by any means. We have been called scammers. This is simply a money grab amongst other things. This group of people find it to be a game to constantly report the GoFundMe account as a scam, freezing all money transfers and many other things I won't mention. I will no longer provide detailed information to give them any additional opportunity to block any headway that we make. While I am upset, as I'm sure many of you are, that those who actually care about Wally's safety and recovery will not have daily detailed knowledge of what we are doing. I really hope you can understand that we are doing what we feel is best for Wally's rescue. Please know that we are moving forward and will continue to do everything we can to hashtag bring Wally home.

Wow. This is a movie. I mean, not one that I would watch, but this is a movie.

You know what I mean? This is like John Wick, but with an alligator in the swamp.

It's just crazy that they're like, you don't see the good people we are for the good people we are. You just think that we're taking all this GoFundMe money. What are you going to do with that money?

You keep losing Wally.

Sounds like I wouldn't trust you either with my cash. What do they need that money for? To get Wally? Put a tracker on him, put a tag in his ear if you're so worried about him.

All I know is that they have 96 comments on this post and 644 reactions. So, holy shit. If we can be half as popular as the Wally Gator page.

We'll never be at the Wally level, probably not.

Wait, where the fuck is Wally? So the phone number listed on the Wally Gator page is a 717 number, which is Central Pennsylvania. I thought they were in, oh, right. No, they were vacationing in Georgia, but they live in Central Pennsylvania. That's right.

Oh my gosh. But Wally is in and around Georgia and Florida, right? Like Wally's whereabouts are very likely in Georgia. So these are people, and I only asked that question because, I thought you would answer faster, honestly. It's like, it's weird that it's like if you get on a plane and go home from Disney World and then you're like, I can't get this one person I met out of my mind at Disney World or those one support dog. And it's like, I know we're sitting in Pennsylvania and it doesn't matter to us. It's not in our backyard, but we need to make a GoFundMe and find this fucking alligator. What connection did you have with Wally in your short amount of time?

That you are now multiple states away, still thinking about him, still trying to like, as of Friday, nearly 400 people had donated more than $10,000 to an online fundraiser, supporting travel costs, advising costs and possible legal and veterinary costs.

So a lot of you wouldn't have to do that if Wally, if Wally just had some supporters down the road. I got to get you a business class ticket to go see Wally because you happen to live in central Pennsylvania. It's weird. It does come across as weird.

Listen, if you're famous on the Internet, you're famous all over the world, man. It doesn't matter.

Okay, I'm being told that in England or I guess the UK, Where's Waldo is called Where's Wally.

Oh, yeah, that's news to me.

I smell a children's book.

I think it is a children's book. They are called Where's Wally. I think they just may be translated as Where's Wally.

But in America, could I publish a book called Where's Wally? And it's just a hidden alligator on every page?

I mean, they're going to come for you with that GoFundMe money. That's definitely towards legal fees instead.

They are. Oh, shit. Oh, my God. OK, so get this. Wally, I'm sorry. I should I should not have besmirched Wally's good name. He was the visual reference for Alligator Loki in the Disney Plus show Loki.

Wow. You mean the one that just looked like every alligator I've ever seen?

Yeah, apparently that was Wally.

That's all though.

I guess you could just tell the newspaper that.

Exactly, dude. No, it's an alligator. It's like, you know, how many mice are walking around those little mazes being like, you know, Stuart Little's based on me.

Tons, I bet.

Oh, Tess is asking.

Oh, sorry.

Was this a Tiger King situation? I don't think so. I think this is more of a guy who owns one crocodile or sorry, alligator.

And lost it.

And lost it. So, I mean.

Not even good at owning it.

It's a Tiger King situation in that, yeah, this guy isn't good at owning the thing that he owns. But I don't think it was bigger than that.

All right. So what do we so we got through Wall-E. That's that's a Wall-E update, everybody.

Wall-E Wall-E.

Actually, you know what I can do? I haven't done it in a while. Let me see here. Well, you've well, you figure that out. I'm going to do look at this. Look at this fun thing. It's going to come up in the screen. Boom, Wall-E update. Bidding got that out too late. Oh, my God, I have so many like a science legends on here. I use I use Bozo alert a lot. People who are just listening to this when I finally get an audio only version up, I'm playing with buttons and things that come up from the screen.

All right, we've got we've got more.

We've got I don't know. I'm just I don't why. Look, the people, I don't know what they want. So if they want to just hang out with us, this is that works, too, because I haven't drank booze in a while because because of square updates. You know what I mean? Because I don't I don't fucking drink calories anymore.

Let's take a let's take a pause and let's talk square updates because we're up to it.

We gave a little bit away. I'm doing great. I think I said a little bit in our last update that you know the one we did for our season three dates thing. Yeah, plateaued, plateaued. It's fine. I was at the gym today. I don't know if it's like proper plateau. I mean, or like just getting more muscle or something. But but getting square rules. And I decided today was a day to celebrate. I can have some booze, drink some beers, and I'm doing it because we're live. It's fun.

It's great. Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, I think you've you've taken, I mean, I know you've taken the calorie counting more seriously than I have. I've you know, I'm like roughly counting, but it's just like I'm not eating sweets, that kind of thing. I'm still drinking.

Yeah, so it sucks. Like I was never like I'm not a huge drinker, as you know, and I'm definitely not like a big sweets person. So people would be like, hey, you want to lose weight, stop drinking beers and stop eating candy. I'm like, I'm already not doing that. This is the body that savory foods made. Like this is not, but no. So we got a question of what we're doing. So I think Chris, you do VR workout, which is insane.

Yeah, I look insane. My neighbors don't talk to me probably because of this. I put the headset on a lot of times. I'm just in shorts and I have the fan on and the door open so that I'm getting some cold air. But yeah, I do VR boxing on MetaQuest 3 in an app called Supernatural, and it's great. I mean, I'm not going to be boxing a person anytime soon, but it's a really great exercise if you need something that will make you focus. Because when I go running and stuff, I end up writing in my head the whole time I'm running. And it's just more work.

What are you writing? Your suicide note? That's what I'm writing when I have to go for a run.

Like whatever I'm working on, I'll just be working on that while I'm running. And then it just feels like work, but it sucks even more because I'm breathing heavy. And so the nice thing about VR boxing is, because you're using your fists and twisting your body and stuff, it makes it easier for me to not think about anything else. So I actually get a half an hour away from my brain and in my body.

I did it. I tried it here. And I liked it a lot, actually, the VR boxing. It definitely gave me a workout. But I get so nervous closing my senses off to the world. So I had a girlfriend, as you know this, maybe for a birthday a bunch of years ago, who wanted to... It was a really fun birthday, actually. And we had a bunch of surprises planned. But she would do this thing where she's going to blindfold you to this next thing. And I didn't realize at that moment how much I was not fine with that. Because we were out in the world when I'm getting it. It's not like, oh, I'm in my house. So I was like, yeah, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I hate being blindfolded. I hate having my senses turned off in any way. So when I do the VR boxing, I had a really fun time with it and I thought it was really good. But I was also like, what was that noise? Is there fucking someone in my house? Is there a person going to touch me with a stick? I didn't like it.

I make sure my doors are all locked because I will occasionally have, in the middle of exercising, I'll have the thought of what would it feel like if someone came up behind me and plunged a knife into my chest or something. I would be freaking out and trying to hit the side of the thing so that I could do see-through mode, so I could see my killer, but I probably wouldn't be successful because my hands would be all slippery with blood. Then I'm like, fuck it, I'm working out.

I can't do both. Because of shit like that, it wasn't intrusive thoughts, wasn't my reasoning, but I go to the gym. I just go to the gym. I go to the gym and I lift, I lift three days a week and I do strictly cardio at least two days a week. So that's what I'm doing. In the Square Update is, I don't know why I'm not losing weight more, but that's the update.

By the time we get to Monster Fest, people are going to be like, it's fucking Zac Efron here. No dude, it's fucking Ed and he's here to live podcast with Astonishing Legends.

It's going to be wild. I'm really excited for Monster Fest.

I am too. I guess we could talk about our, well, you've had very traditional, like Ed grew up going to comic conventions, has a lot of convention experience. I didn't go to conventions until I moved to LA and I was working for a horror company called After Dark. They released the eight films to die for back in 2007. It was like a weekend. They released like eight movies into theaters. Anyway, it doesn't matter. But they had a Comic Con booth. So my first and my only Comic Con experiences are working the con. Then I went to a Fangoria convention, a bunch of other things. It was a fun way to experience a convention, but very different from just attending. Yeah, for fun.

So we'll see if I lose the love of cons after this because I'm going to be working. But it's going to be fun. Hopefully, I'm sure everyone's going to come up to talk about Astonishing Legends. And it'd be cool if one person was like, hey, I'm here for Scared All The Time. That would be very exciting.

Well, I don't want to make any promises, but I'm pretty sure we're going to have stickers.

We're going to have shit to give away. I don't think we're even charging. I think we're just giving stuff away.

Just giving it away. If you figure out how to get to Ohio on your dime, you get a sticker, you get a button.

Yeah.

All right.

What's Gen Con? Hold on. SkySkip. What is Gen Con? Let us know what that is. And then maybe if it's within the area, I'll come to any con. Sorry. So they'll probably let us know, Chris. You can continue with what you're saying.

India says Gen Con is in Indiana. It's tabletop games.

Oh, what?

I just donated a poster this past Christmas to a really cool tabletop game, just all games in general, store in Brooklyn, New York, called The Last Place, The Best Place. Now, I feel bad. I think it's The Last Place on Earth. They were huge fans of The Last Man on Earth, a show that I had worked on for a long time. I had a poster from Season 1 that was signed by the whole cast. When I saw these people on Instagram, they mentioned that they named the store after their love of the show, blah, blah, blah, blah. I reached out to them being like, hey, I have this poster that I don't need. Do you want it? They were like, fuck yeah, we definitely would want it. I went there on Christmas and they have a really cool store that really is genuinely like people go there and play board games every day and night. It's packed, man. It's crazy. They rent it out for private parties and they just had a fourth year anniversary, I think. It's like I can't believe there's a huge market of people who really, really like just adults playing board games.

Yeah, there's a writer's group I meet with once in a while. They meet at a place called Geeky Teas and Games in the Valley. They just expanded from a decent size shop into an old bank, because they're so popular as a place for people to go play card games and board games. They showed me they have all these themed rooms. They have a mausoleum and a Dracula's Castle. If you're playing a horror game, they have rooms that are designed to look like spaceships. If you're playing a sci-fi game, yeah, they really pulled out all the stops. It's pretty cool.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not like a big game board game guy or whatever. I see this is in August, August 1st through the 4th. So I think I'll have already driven back to California by that point. So I guess I'm going to miss it. I'm going to miss it in Indiana.

Oh, not to throw you off, Ed, but Dante the Goaf. He's an hour late, he says. But hello, Dante.

What's up, Dante?

Welcome.

You're working on Scared All The Time time.

Yeah.

Welcome to the show. This is a very loose first episode. So we're reading some articles, we're giving updates, we're just kind of hanging out. So this is a, you know, you miss nothing is what I'm getting at.

Well, except the theme, but we'll play that again at the end.

Yeah, we'll play it again at the end. All right, so let's see, what's the next here? What's next on the docket?

Related to airline disasters. This is one of the scariest things I really could possibly imagine because it is basically the worst case scenario of as bad as a flight can get without literally crashing. You just experience what feels like probably hours of terror. This happened a few days ago, I think just like two days ago in the middle of the week. This article is from NBC News. The headline is, Passengers recount turbulence terror on deadly Singapore flight. Passengers on board a Singapore Airlines flight that hit quote severe turbulence have described their terror as the plane dropped thousands of feet before it leveled off and made an emergency landing in Bangkok. I saw people from across the aisle just going completely horizontal, hitting the ceiling and landing back down in really awkward positions. Zafran Asmir, 28, told Reuters Wednesday.

I mean, horizontal in the air is already an awkward position.

Yeah, Asmir, a student, added that people were, quote, getting massive gashes in the head as the Boeing 777, making its way from London to Singapore, dropped in the sky. One passenger widely identified in the British press as Jeff Kitchen.

Okay.

I also don't know why widely identified makes it sound like Reuters thinks maybe it's a different Jeff Kitchen or something.

Well, it also just means that it's like, yeah, why wouldn't they just say the person's name is Jeff Kitchens, where Dennis Kitchen is a famous comic distributor. But yeah, why wouldn't you say a man named Jeff Kitchens? Not like, did you say kitchen? It is kitchen, right?

Jeff Kitchen, yeah, spelled kitchen.

Yeah, so I do wonder if it's like a guy who's like, for the last time, my name is Sean. Why does everyone keep calling me Jeff Kitchens? It's like, well, it's widely reported that your name is Jeff Kitchen. So we have to go with that.

Well, okay, okay, hold on. So wait, this next bit explains a little bit. So-

You son of a bitch, you set me up to fail.

No, I didn't.

MrKitchen73 died during the incident. And so this is, I guess, why there's some confusion. Without naming the passenger, Kittapong Kittikachorn, the general manager of Bangkok's Svarnbhumi Airport, said Tuesday that the person had some medical problems that could have led to a fatal cardiac arrest. It was obvious the gentleman needed some help, passenger Andrew Davies54 told Reuters. So I guess maybe it's widely reported because the airline is being a little cagey with the details here. Sure. But goddamn, so on Wednesday, Singapore, the hospital in Singapore was still treating 58 people and 20 of them were in the ICU.

That's a lot of gash.

That's how bad this turbulence was.

I'll be honest with you though, it's like they landed the plane though, wasn't it? It wasn't like they're not burying them.

No, for sure. But still, I mean, that's like it's just that's why it's one of this. I mean, it's not the scariest thing because these people didn't die. But like, I'm sure they thought they were going to.

Oh, there's got to be. It's like that Shane Gillis sketch or whatever, where like he's like, oh, the plane's going down, like call someone you hate or whatever. There's probably a bunch of people who were thinking to do that during that, you know, an event, because, yeah, you have to. And when you're horizontal in the air, you're probably thinking this is it for me, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like most of the plane's journey was uneventful, but 10 hours in, the plane experienced a sharp drop of cruising out from cruising altitude of 37,000 feet to 31,000 feet in just five minutes. In one lurch, it dropped almost 700 feet. Apparently, rapidly developing explosive thunderstorms were recorded near the flight path by accu-weather. Goodness. Photos and videos posted by passengers from inside the plane shortly after the incident showed overhead panels ripped off and food bottles and personal possessions strewn about the cabin. One video showed a bloodstain smeared on the ceiling plastic. Here's Asmere again with a poetic description. Heads had literally pushed through and broken plastic panels. And like there was just there's blood and and there's bits and pieces just broken everywhere.

That's yeah. Yeah. That's that's a tough clean up. That's going to take a few minutes.

Brutal bits and pieces.

Well, you and you and you don't want to drive with me across the country. You want to take one of those death machines, those fucking planes.

I know this is going to be this is going to be a lunatic thing for me to do, but I'm going to fly to Connecticut for Monsterfest for the fans.

Ed, yeah, he's coming to my house first. He's coming to my place and we're going to drive from Connecticut to Ohio and then back to Connecticut because you were not going back to LA from there.

No, it was, it was, I probably will fall in love with Canton, Ohio. Tiny little cities are kind of my vibe, but you cannot get good flights in or out of Canton, Ohio, or maybe they're all taking that flight.

You sure can't. Yeah, it's crazy. Like, the reason we're driving is like there was no, yeah, direct flights, and I don't do fucking indirect flights. There's no way, but my ears, I'm not risking multiple descents unless I'm going to like Australia or something. But yeah, we're going to drive and it's going to be awesome. It's going to be a lot of fun. We'll be, I'm going to try and push it from the road regardless. But when we're together, we'll definitely post stuff from the road.

Yeah, for sure. For sure.

We're not going to any Buc-E's or anything, though. I'm not doing that shit.

That seems to be the thing to do right now is go to Buc-E's in Texas.

No, Buc-E's are all over the place. I do not. I'm not a Buc-E's fan. I'll wear a Buc-E's hat or something, but that place isn't isn't for me.

You got to be a pretty big fan to wear the hat. There's a lot of things I like that I would not wear a hat of.

I just like I like wearing hats.

That's true. You do have a pretty large selection of hats.

For a person who has their hair into their 40s soon, I do have a big selection of hats.

Yeah. Speaking of airline disasters.

Well, first we should say, speaking of fear in general, we got a comment here saying that a Bucky's is just approved from North Carolina and people are freaking out. So we should do an episode about the fear of Bucky's coming to your town.

It's a 40 acre lot.

No, Bucky's is huge.

Are you familiar with these places?

40 acres sounds like a mall.

I thought it was a gas station.

It's a stupidly big gas station. I went to one by Dollywood recently, with my dad, and it was... Okay, so we're getting a question here. What is Bucky's? Oh my God, Cassie worked at a Bucky's. So Bucky's is a rest stop that is the size of a Walmart, and you can get fresh sandwiches. Fresh. You can get sandwiches made. It's just like the biggest truck stops you can find, essentially. Yeah, Cassie nailed it. Yeah, Cassie nailed it, said it's pretty much a gas station mall. It's exactly what it is. I saw some pretty grisly sites there at like 8 AM.

The phrase gas station mall is giving seller door a run for its money. Yeah, gas station mall.

Okay, so Scott's saying that the one coming in North Carolina is going to be 75,000 square feet.

That is entirely too large for a Bucky's. That's a size for a theme park.

Yeah, yeah, this place is a theme park. But it's also just every roadside attraction I've ever been to. It's just like, hey, we're selling unmarked beef jerky, fried, dried fruits. But they have fresh food stations. Again, fresh is strong. Monika, description?

Fresh is a marketing term in this case.

Yeah, yeah, it's fresh as quotes. But it's just like, hey, what if we took all these places that you're used to going to, like the alien jerky spot on the way into Vegas, and just made it so fucking big, just so unreasonably big. That's what, hey, do you want to lose your kids at a gas station? Come to Bucky's.

What a, Ed, you should be a copywriter.

Oh shit. So someone else has gone to the one by Dollywood. Yeah, I don't know why that was the way. We weren't even going to Dollywood, although we did end up going to, so right by there, so there's a Bucky's, and then there was some world's largest zipline that I think had closed down. It was like a post-apocalyptic scene. Then the world's largest knife store, my dad and I went to because we were like, I don't need any knives, but world's largest, I'll check it out. Then we were like, well, we might as well go next 20 minutes and just look at the Dollywood. So we did when we drive. The last time I drove across the country, I had my dad with me.

Nice. Well, okay. Wait, where were we? We were looking at comments. We were talking about Bucky's. Sky almost stopped at the knife store too. India, I've been to Fijian Forge. I actually, when I was dating my wife before we got married, we went on a road trip because her family is from North Carolina. So we drove around down south and there was this very Christian bird rescue that we went to. It was, I forget what the place was called. It was like, I want to say it's like Parrots Unlimited, but that's not it at all. But it was just like, they had Bible stations or little Jesus quotes everywhere, but they were also a bird rescue. I'd never seen anything like it. But I got to explore more Pigeon Forge. That whole area seems like just a wild scene. Yep.

I'm in this situation right now where it's like we're live, and that's so weird to me because I'm like, because normally, so just a little inside baseball for you guys. Also inside baseball might be a term for not everyone. But a little behind the scenes, if you will, is IP every episode we record. Like there's not an episode we've done where I'm not like, I'll be back in a minute. I got to be with guests. I did it with with Let's Get Haunted. I did it with our new guests. I'm like, I just always have to pee. I have what my ex called a peanut bladder. Just a tiny little bladder.

We're going for like two hours. So, you know, we're going to be going to go pee.

Yeah.

I'm going to leave you guys with Chris, I think.

Okay.

Yeah.

So I'm going to let you guys hang out with Chris for like two minutes, just long enough to use the bathroom, wash my hands, and I will be back. And you guys, this is really what the experience of what the show was like to be made. This is huge. Be right back.

And then you'll come back and I'll go get another beer. Okay, bye.

Oh, hell yeah, dude.

Leave us.

But don't leave a lot of like dead, dead air for when we have to do this as an audio only.

I won't. I won't. I won't. No, no dead air. I do need, I should just get a couple of different, like documents to read for when Ed leaves me alone. I'm going to check the comments here and see if you guys have any questions. Human break. I worked at one. Okay. Yes, Scott. I do think, I'm going to catch Ed on Mike saying something pretty good one of these days. I don't know if it'll be as good as killed them all, of course, but the problem is then Ed has the audio, not me, so he'll just delete it. But Cassie dropped something in here about, we should look into the story of Chief Osocola's head. It's pretty messed up. His physician kept his head in a jar at his home. So I assume the physician took the head after the chief died, or was this physician taking his head the cause of death? I don't know. But yeah, so when Ed comes back, I think we're going to go for another 20 minutes. I have a couple of things lined up. One of them kind of depends on how familiar Ed is with the subject. That's part of the fun of the show, is that he really doesn't know what we're going to talk about until I say it to him, which is always fun for me because there's sometimes there's stuff that I think is really funny and interesting and he doesn't respond. And sometimes there's stuff that I'm almost ready to gloss over, and then Ed's got something to say about it. So we'll see what wish of the two Eds we get on this next one. But this has been fun so far. Is the topic for the live show India? It's not officially a surprise, or at least I don't know, Scott can probably answer that better. I don't think it's a surprise. I think we're still, Scott, I don't know if they're still working on it, but I don't think it's officially a surprise.

What's happening?

What did I miss? India was asking if the topic for the live show at Monster Fest is a surprise, and I was trying to explain that I don't think so, but Scott just said it's a surprise through lack of organization.

That's true. I think most things are a surprise for me on all these shows. It's fine. I'll roll with the punches. I'll handle it.

I was just explaining that, that you really don't know anything we're going to talk about. Like this next subject, because we've vamped long enough, like this next subject, the other thing I wanted to talk about, Ed, and you probably have some knowledge of this, is what do we feel about the Boeing whistleblowers dropping dead?

I think it's an interesting time in history. Not that it's happening, but it came up a little bit when we talked about the submarine implosion on the pod, where my take on that was I had never seen prior to that event, just a unanimous who gives a shit from the world. Where this one is something where I feel like we should give a shit, but it got that same public response of, like, yeah, moving on, doing, you know, I guess that guy definitely died from a company killed him probably.

But yeah, I mean, there was a second one. Yeah. Well, that's I've been loosely following these. I haven't been following like beat for beat.

I told you the story of the guy I drank with at the bar who works for Boeing, right? Who like works on the factory floor for one of the Boeing plants.

I don't know if he did.

Yeah. So I was talking to this guy whose name and description I won't give away because he's a real person. Oh, shit. See you later. Tess has to hop off. Good evening.

Thank you, Tess.

And and he was like talking about this was after this was after the first whistleblower death before the second one. And he was joking, but but saying that they like this was the joke on the factory floor is like when they're clocking in, like punching in at the time. You know what I'm talking about? They would like joke to each other, like just they would do this thing where if you're listening, you won't see this. But if you're watching, you could see me do it. Whether just like look around to everyone, be like, we love it here. Just just want everyone to know we love it here. We love working here. And then they would like clock in and then punch out or whatever. But it would just be that everyone would laugh like that was the joke. That was the vibe like a week or two later on the Boeing factory floor. So the people working there were like, this is this seems a little little absolutely didn't kill himself, right?

It's it seems like something almost designed to drive you crazy because the first guy, I mean, also, do we need to recap this for anybody?

Is it like to people? Is everyone aware of what we're talking about?

So in the past couple of weeks, two whistleblowers who blew the whistle on Boeing for all the near plane crashes that have been happening. And a lot of these guys have been whistleblowers for years saying, you know, they're cutting corners, these parts aren't well manufactured, whatever. And now it's all kind of come to a head because we've had a year of near disasters from Boeing planes. But two of these guys within a few weeks of each other, died, one of them from a gunshot to the head in his car, and the other from a fast spreading bacterial infection.

Yeah.

And that's a little swamp gas of a fucking explanation.

Well, yeah, from a 30,000 foot view, it's like, okay, two people who have cost one of the biggest companies in the world billions upon billions of dollars in stock price over the past couple of months to years just randomly at the same time at relatively young ages and both whilst doing their depositions in a court case regarding this. Yeah. But then it is like, you know, the they released the little like the notebook that was found next to the guy who shot himself. And it does look like a crazy person's notebook. Although maybe you could also hire someone to fake a crazy person's notebook because it's so obviously a crazy person's notebook, that it's exactly the kind of notebook you would have made if you were like, look, I need to plant a suicide note next to somebody.

And never forget that the art department on Seven, the movie Seven did fill all those composition notebooks with crazyness. And there was like a hundred composition notebooks there.

So there's that. And then the other guy died from a fast spreading infection that-

I don't know if you can see the screen. I think Scott's saying that nurses on Reddit say that those infections are way more common than most people think. They said if you work in the medical community, it's not that shocking, but then also recognizes these are Reddit nurses, people on the internet. So it's weird that their account was not Boeing 24 at Reddit.

Well, it like, yeah, OK, so here, the Seattle Times first reported Dean's death. Dean's aunt told the publication her nephew went to the hospital for breathing issues a few weeks ago, developed pneumonia, and then suffered a serious bacterial infection. So it's one of those things. It's like that does sound pretty. He was in there for a few weeks. What did they do? Like if Boeing took this guy out, they like what made him go outside when it's cold at night without a jacket on?

Let's say the person who got sick genuinely got sick. But I feel like any other time in American history, there would be a freak out at Boeing where it's like coming off the other one, this is going to look so bad for us. Like even when we didn't kill this guy, it's going to look like we fucking killed this guy. But I feel like that's not even happening. Like those conversations aren't even happening. I think they're just like, it's all that like, I can shoot a guy on Fifth Avenue and get away with it. It's all this new way of like this new worldview. People just don't give a shit anymore and it's really bumming me out.

Well, it's not only do people not give a shit. I think we've talked, if we haven't talked about this on the show yet, I'm sure we will eventually. But we really do live in different media worlds. Like even people who broadly agree politically, like your feeds, your news feed, your Twitter feed, everything is being made for you. So you can kind of believe whatever you want. I mean, I remember I was talking to my writing partner at some point about a movie that we have that ends with like, ah yes, we got the incriminating footage and we aired it on the news and now everything's going to be okay. But it's like that would never even work anymore. Anything you aired on the news, half the country would just be like, yeah, it's not fake or that's not real.

Yeah. Here's the thing, I had to make a YouTube account for us to do this tonight. I had to basically make sure that Scared All The Time had access to or was approved to do live show or whatever. The thing I find so interesting, I'm glad it's there, I guess, but they ask you now when you're posting a video, did you use AI to manipulate or fake or trick any aspect of this? It's great that they're asking. I don't have to fucking hit yes, I guess. I mean, there's nobody. It's like my favorite Simpson sign. It's like, do not enter or do, I'm a sign, not a cop. So I guess I could just hit no. But it's good that they're asking, but it's scary that they feel that they have to.

Right.

Because especially in an election year.

Honestly.

Yeah. Especially in an election year. It's so fucking crazy. It also makes our job harder for anything we want to discuss about Galookagoos. If you want to talk about cryptids and what have you, now we have to add that. It's always been the case. It's always been like, they used a computer to make it look like a fucking sasquatch is zipping around. But now you can make it a very convincing stuff in a way that you couldn't 10 years ago, 12 years ago.

Yeah, well, you can also get it, whether you're trying to cede it to people on purpose or not. There's a lot of UFO and alien subreddits, and there's a lot of videos that circulate that I don't even think were made with the intent to deceive necessarily. But they circle and circle and circle within those communities because it's being fed back to them by all their algorithms. So you keep seeing the same videos over and over again, you keep being fed the same, what do you think of this over and over again? It's easy to just get into these echo chambers where everyone is like, oh yeah, that's real.

Well, I mean, I just branded this the other day. I didn't run into it in the sense that I was actively watching the Joe Rogan experience, but I was watching a person comment on the number of fake Joe Rogan experience clips that look and feel like Joe Rogan experience clips from his podcast. But it's just an AI voice to harken back to the opening we did in this episode. It is just like an AI voice of Joe Rogan, and it sounded super convincing to me. That's going to be so tough.

Yeah, the more people like that, or any broadcaster who has, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of hours of their voice exists. Yeah, you can say like George Norrie. Somebody could fake George Norrie's voice, and put it out into the... I mean, George for sure would immediately be like, that's not me, but you could easily spread to anyone who's broadcast for that long. You've got, they're done.

Yeah. I don't even know how we got on this subject, but we'll get off of it. But we'll definitely be doing for anyone who's interested, a couple of AI episodes. We had a really good conversation, Chris and I on a drive to get a whiteboard that he got into a quagmire with me. It took longer than we wanted to go pick it up with a pickup truck. But we talked a lot about AI and not even just in the way you'd think, like Skynet type of shit. We talked about commerce and marketing and just a bunch of really weird big ideas that I think will definitely do stuff, if not this season, season four for sure. This season's coming along really great, by the way. I know I'm going on a tangent. This is our first live, so we don't know what the fuck we're doing.

No, it's good. We've got about eight minutes left. So yeah, let's talk about the next season.

Did you want to? Was there a hard out? I don't know.

No, well, I mean, we were going to do about an hour and a half. I've got dinner at eight.

So where do you who do you know that eats?

But who that eats most people?

Yeah, most. Oh, no, season three. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what tonight's plan was. We've derailed it and I'm fine with it. Hopefully everyone's having an OK time hanging out. Yeah, season three is really coming along great. I'm really I mean, I thought season two was a lot better than season one. And I think season three is shaping up to be better than season two. And we have some guests that we haven't we can't announce yet that are really rad.

Yeah, we've got cool guests. We are opening with a couple of like highly requested fears.

Yeah.

And I would say the research for all of them has turned up at least, you know, a handful of things that are things I didn't know about these topics. So there's some really interesting stuff. There's some stuff that will keep you up at night. And yeah, I guess you got to figure out what episode are we at now? Four or five? We got to figure out the next one.

That sounds like a Chris problem.

It is a Chris problem. But sometimes I know you like input into what the-

I mean, let's look at Ed's big inputs, homunculus. That was the- Ed got to- because he put something on the board, and ended up being weird and gross and short. I liked homunculus. That made me laugh for sure.

Well, as the longer we do this, the more homunculus style fears we're going to touch on. Because I know something that we talked about at the beginning of this is, there's lots of fears, but also we got to have some fun with, not every fear is going to be able to be deadly or something, because there's only so many of those that you can really talk about. So the topics will continue to, they'll always have a connection to things that we're afraid of, but I at least want to lean to the most interesting topics we can, even if they're not front of mind fears.

Sure.

So we'll see.

We have someone said that they started, Let's Get Haunted because of our collab. Well, hopefully you're enjoying it. I was listening to the Epstein stuff at the gym today. They're a three-part Epstein series, which I've been enjoying. I have to listen to my voice all day editing our show. So I haven't gotten to the end of our collab on their show, but I had a really fun time with them both times. Both times were just a blast hanging out with both of them.

Yeah. It's nice to find people who share the same vibe as we do.

We got a very fun gift from them. We got some very fun, really stupid shirts that I love.

We did of not rubber.

Skinny Bob. Skinny Bob. They sent us some Skinny Bob shirts that say, Never Skip Neck Day, which is very fun.

Yeah. In return, we sent them Bermuda Triangle shirts from Bruce's website, Bruce Gerson, something like that.

Yeah. Bruce Gerson.

Yeah.

I want to say Gerson.

He sells some pretty cool t-shirts. So we-

I had to talk to his wife to get him. And she just didn't understand, I think, what I was asking. And then she was like, Oh, do you have- because I was like, Oh, I need them to be like small. And she's like, Oh, do you have daughters? And I'm like, Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes, I do. And then I was like, she's like, What are their ages? And I was like, Oh, 16 and 17, something like that. And then I realized, like, as I was saying, I'm like, That's not enough time. Is that enough time to have? So I said, I was like, Oh, Irish twins. And then she said that she has a couple of those in her family. And it worked out. But it was just like this real- I don't know. I felt like I was like, I had to put on a role. I have to play a character. I didn't want to- I also want to be like, Hey, we make fun of your things you're known for.

Can you send this? I'm sure.

I mean, that makes sense. But it would have been normal until you were questioning the ages of your fake daughters. And I'm sure they were like picking up on it.

No, of course they weren't. Dude, I'm professionally- I professionally talk. It was fine.

Yeah. Yeah. No, you're definitely not on a list anywhere. So-

So this has been Scared All The Time a lot. Is there anything we didn't hit that you were excited to talk about? And- but you're so hungry that it's difficult to get it out.

I've got- I've got one more here. We'll go over it because I pulled it and we've got time. This is not the recent news.

Look at this fucking person who wants to add this to the bingo card, I guess.

This is not the recent-

Did you see it? Ed seems to always put himself into awkward situations they wrote.

This is-

add that to the Scared All The Time bingo card.

Okay. What was I going to say? Oh yeah. This last article is something that I was really excited to find because as you all know, I'm from Pennsylvania. I talk about Pennsylvania a lot. I love Central Pennsylvania and I love monsters. I love cryptids. And I did not know this. I found an article called Monster of the Susquehanna, published May 6th, 2019. And it's a guy, Lou Bernard, wrote this article about a weird, barely seen monster living in the Susquehanna River, which is the river that goes past Harrisburg and Three Mile Island, near where I grew up. It was known as the Kettle Creek Monster, the West Branch Dugong, or as I prefer, the Susquehanna Seal. Most of the information comes from an article in the Daily Democrat from February 27th, 1897. The article described the travels of a creature that existed back in the days before the valley was settled. It was said to have swum into the Susquehanna River during a time of high waters, possibly an unrecorded flood. Finding prey plentiful, it continued to swim upstream until it got stuck along the Susquehanna, now limited to the area between present-day Lock Haven and Kettle Creek. The article didn't contain much of a physical description. It was said to be a marine animal or sea monster, but very little else was described. Mostly, it just stayed underwater unseen, which feels like pretty underwhelming river monster.

Yeah, that's very similar to like Jurassic Park where it's like, you think this park would actually have some dinosaurs, like everywhere they went, there was nothing that's coming out.

Yeah, it's very easy to believe that your river is filled with monsters when none of them ever come above the surface.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trust me, they're down there.

Size is the only actual physical description in the article, which mentioned that it was big, the bulk of an ox or a hippopotamus. Some people speculated on the species of this creature. Some thought it was a cuttlefish or sea lion, perhaps some shark or whale. Some speculated it was a dinosaur left over from prehistoric times. A laboryntodon, Ichthyosaurus or hadrosaur were possible ideas pitched for this. I don't know why you pitch a hadrosaur. That was like the duckbill dinosaurs or hadrosaurs. They don't look anything like, I mean, they were in and around the water, but...

I mean, that person probably got caught off guard, like that woman asking me how old my kids were.

Yeah. This article mentions that it was, quote, terrible and further commented that it being the Susquehanna seal or the West Branch dugong, it was like something out of a Jules Verne story, the article said. He was not the former image of anything else on the earth, speculating that it may have not actually been trapped in the river, but swimming back and forth in the ocean through a series of underground caverns. It was definitely audible, however, making noise at night. People reported hearing it howl and thrash in the dark. The Daily Democrat said, Those who have crossed the animal's path heard its terrible roar, his disturbing the waters and lashing them into a foam. So and then the seal sightings dropped off in the later part of the 1800s.

Well, so did a lot of things.

I don't know what that's supposed to mean after the later part of the 1800s.

Being a cowboy, fucking true, true. Riding a horse to go everywhere. Yeah, the late 1800s was a couple of decades of change in a big bad way. Yeah. Speaking of change in a big bad way, I'm excited to announce that I think for our closing credits, I may or may not have gotten the subtitles to burn in. So, oh, hell yeah. So everyone who was here for the beginning, even knowing it will be the same credits, you will get a little something new. You'll have subtitles on them. And it took me way too long to get the subtitles to be where I want them to be. So anyway, I'm not saying we're done. We have a few more minutes, but I just wanted to, in case you were trying to get me off earlier, I'm like, no, wait, we have a new video for people.

No, well, we do. Everyone stick around. We're going to roll the closing credit video so you can see Ed's subtitle work. I'm sure it's masterful. But yeah, this has been great. I feel like this is a format, I guess, we can have a lot of fun with. We'll get more used to it. We'll figure out any audio kinks. I love this chat interaction thing. I guess I've seen other people do stuff like that before, but I've never thought about interacting with people that way, but it's fun.

Well, it's also tough for you because you have to read.

I just sit here and keep clicking back and forth.

But we have to get you a monitor, a second monitor. Didn't you get a new computer? Is it just one day monitor?

No, it's the same monitor, but new computer.

Hell yeah.

Let me quit out of here. This is great. This is a lot of fun. I didn't know what this was going to be. Honestly, at the end of it, I still don't know what it is, but it's fun to talk to people and hang out and let us know for sure. If not, when we're out of here, just shoot us a message on Facebook or on any other socials and stuff, or shoot us an e-mail and let us know what you'd like to get out of these, or you know what I mean? Chris, do people want a live version of our normal episodes? Do people want just hangout sessions?

We're not going to put on a musical or anything. But I don't think we have the time.

We'd have to rely more on AI that I despise to put on the musical.

That's true.

Although I did write the song. I wrote the song. I just didn't make the music. Didn't write the music. All right. So I think it's almost uploaded. Yeah, it is uploaded.

So with that, let's play us out, Ed.

All right, everybody. Thanks so much for coming out. It was a lot of fun. It was great to get in some chats, some names we've seen before. And we'll play you out to a song that, don't let it trick you. The song very much ends like the show is starting. There will not be additional so. Ed, when that ends, the stream ends. You've all been here. You can all tell the world that you were here for the very first train wreck. See you soon. Thanks so much for coming on. Good evening.

Good evening.

So there was, Chris, the end of an era. I mean, the beginning of an era.

The beginning of an era, the beginning of another era, a new babyfied era of Scared All The Time. But yeah, I hope you guys enjoyed it.

Yeah, it's fun slash cringey slash insane to re-listen to it. And amazingly, I actually took some air out of it, so I can't help myself.

Yeah, if you enjoyed it, again, sign up, we do these every month. We'd love to see some more of you in a week at February's live show.

Yeah, it's a blast. People will seem to enjoy it. We do talk to everybody and have a good time.

Yeah, so hope you liked it. Until then, until we see you, until we hear from you, as always, I'm Chris Cullari.

And I'm Ed Voccola.

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Written by Chris Cullari.

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