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alexei sayle
Hello everybody, welcome to episode 74, the Centa Cuatro ah

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
This sent out.

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alexei sayle
of the Lexis El podcast. It's been a big week, a big week for us. a Sandwich Bar went out, we record this on a Thursday, Sandwich Bar went out at 6.30 last night on Radio 4. It had already been transmitted 11.00.

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alexei sayle
had already been transmitted at 11 on Saturday night, but this is the big one, and it goes out into 1.2 million homes. And it's been, I mean, been amazing. What there is on Twitter, what Linda's been able to find on Twitter is amazingly comprehend there complimentary.

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alexei sayle
And also there's some very good previews, all in sort of right-wing paper, well, the Radio Times that you mentioned, but also the Times. and the Daily Mail. um I'm very perceptive. I mean, it's short previews, but both really intelligent and perceptive about what the show is.

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alexei sayle
Now it goes out, and you can also download it all, please. and down You can download it from Twitter. I sorry

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
BBC Sounds.

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alexei sayle
had a peanut butter sandwich. That's why I've got bits of... peanut in my throat um

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Have a drink or something. Oh, okay, come on.

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alexei sayle
um you can download it from bbc sounds and binge on all four i mean i do yearn for the linda thinks that maybe a lot of people particularly my people are you know not you know boycotting twitter really and there's not necessarily been anything to replace it uh um Yeah, I mean, I do, i mean, you know, there was that period where I thought when when Sandwich Bar trended at number one on Twitter for like three days or something, which was unheard of for a Radio 4 show. And I kind of, I don't know how you, don't how you bottle that, really. are you find I don't know why that was, or certainly don't seem to be able to.

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alexei sayle
get back to that level. But anyway, yeah, so it's all the, I mean, I don't know whether at some point, um you know, lobbyists for interests other than ours will get together and have a go at it.

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alexei sayle
I suspect they weren't ready, but um

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, fuck. Well, you're competing with the Glastonbury lineup poster, which ah I'm just looking at what's trending.

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alexei sayle
is that trending?

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
World Book Day. ah PSG LIV. I guess that's a football thing.

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alexei sayle
Probably Sanjumar versus Liverpool.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Beautiful Thursday is trending.

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alexei sayle
Oh, fuck's sake.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Glastonbury. Man, they released the lineup. ah Ash Wednesday Lent. ah More football, lots of football stuff.

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Roy Ayers. Oh, no. ah see He hasn't popped his clogs, has he?

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alexei sayle
Yeah. Yes, she has.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No!

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alexei sayle
dear.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Saw him at Glastonbury few years back, funnily enough. And Canada. You can't compete with Canada, Alexey.

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alexei sayle
No, but still, you know, get on Twitter. Make me make me happy.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's fucked. ah Everyone's going over, all the people who are on side are going over to um Blue Sky, which is the new Twitter, the new Twitter apparently.

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alexei sayle
Okay.

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alexei sayle
Can you look at that and see if I'm trending on that?

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Okay, yeah, I can. and I'm sure I can. Let's have a look.

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alexei sayle
This this is next is wanting affirmation, Alexi, this morning.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah

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alexei sayle
I spent fucking years working on this radio series. least people can do is have it trending on some platform I've never heard of.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What people... Oh, how does this fucking work? Let me just put in Sandwich Bar and see what...

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
If anyone's been saying... It's a lot of posts about actual Sandwich Bar. Oh!

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Absolutely delighted there's a new series of Sandwich Bar and BBC Sounds. Alexei's national treasure always makes me smile. We need all the laughs we can get these days. um Look, listened to three episodes of Sandwich Bar and um i was delighted by it.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's really nice to hear something that's written by an actual writer. You're such a good fucking writer, Alexei.

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alexei sayle
yeah

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um and it's just beautifully angry and i loved trying to figure out constantly what's real and what's not you know how much of these stories you tell because they start off so grounded and then you just

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alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, and they're often true for a long time until they stop being true.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
i guess you gotta like finish it with a joke i suppose so you've got then you go off piste um but

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah. But, um yeah, well, yeah, no, it's it's it's obviously it's London, and yeah, people love it, really, and, you know, that's, yeah, yeah.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's ferocious and really well written, and beautifully performed. The song was so gorgeous in episode three.

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alexei sayle
It's great in terms of, yeah.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and But I am confused why it seemed, it appears that it was it's been on BBC Sounds since the 1st of March.

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alexei sayle
I thought it'd be on... so that was that Saturday?

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, they dropped the new series on the Saturn.

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alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So far ahead of the live premiere.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, I mean, that's just... you know I can't really argue with them about that. That's what they...

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It just feels like they're diluting the listenership.

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alexei sayle
That's what they think is most effective.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Surely the live show should come out first and then they put it on sounds. I've been.

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alexei sayle
You would think that would make more sense, but, you know... Well, it's theoretically... mean, it went out... went out at 11 on Saturday night, and then they put it on sounds simultaneously with that.

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alexei sayle
But obviously that the big launch was last night, really.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, it went out live on Saturday night as well.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, at 11. And it goes out. If anybody's still out there listening in a linear fashion to the radio, it will be on again. So each episode is on, basically appears first at 11 at night on Radio 4 on Saturday, and then is repeated 6.30.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Saturday.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Right.

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alexei sayle
six thirty

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Confusing.

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alexei sayle
It is a bit, but then you can bi you know you can download it from sounds and just binge listen that way, really.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Um...

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alexei sayle
so No, I mean, I'm intensely proud of Sandwich By, really. I think it's it was harder to do this series than previous ones, you know, because of the the nature of the world.

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alexei sayle
And just, you know, just digging up more, digging up more and more, you know, finding more and more material, finding jokes, you know, which are very difficult things to write, really, you know. There's not...

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alexei sayle
It's not easy to write a good gag, I think. But I mean, that's part of my... That's what, in a way, sets me apart from other comics as well, is that I have yeah the anger and the monologues and the surrealism, but also there's well-crafted...

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There is. Yes.

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alexei sayle
Joke in there, you know, and, you know, every couple of minutes, you know, it's a good gag.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah

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alexei sayle
And that's what I think partly connects me with, you know, with stand-up comedy from the, you know, from its inception, you know, whenever that was, the Victorian age or I think that's what, you know, I like that kind of lineage that hear.

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alexei sayle
lineage i heard heredity that that I go back in many ways to, um you know, great classic standards, but also there is obviously a difference as well.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And there's huge elements of your of your book writing in there. It does feel like, you know, reading, having your short stories read to me, you know, the the way the prose is constructed.

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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alexei sayle
Yeah. Well, I mean, partly, you know, stand-up. Yeah, and partly stand-up is always about memoirs, about things. And some bits of it are from, actually I remember.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes, but they, such a veneer of of loose, unrehearsed, like when a good stand-up makes it look like they've not rehearsed it, you know.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And there are elements of that. you know You do little asides to the audience or or little chuckles and you know you you keep it grounded and real and and and feeling like I'm not being ah narrated at.

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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alexei sayle
yeah yes

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um But it's written and and constructed so so well. And yeah, I love the Mark Wahlberg bit about the secret agent and that's a topic that we've talked about on the podcast.

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alexei sayle
yeah yeah thank you

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Yeah, I'm very proud to work with you and and I'm proud of you for that show.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, and actually, you know, I mean, sort of in a way, and with one show where I say I'm going to do another three series, I don't know that whether whether I will or not. i am Now that it's out, I am starting to have ideas, but it will be and it would be a mammoth task.

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alexei sayle
I mean, to write two hours of stand-ups, like Rich, the producer, said, that's I've already written, i think I said, there's 10 Edinburgh shows, and to write another two is a big challenge, but we'll see, we'll see.

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alexei sayle
I like i like ah quite like that the format doesn't change either. The theme song is the same. yeah The formula is a essential. I think I would keep that.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, that's a helpful writing tool, isn't it, to have a template like that?

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alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think, yeah. Yeah.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, I think sometimes in Britain we can mess with things, you know, for no good reason.

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alexei sayle
ah But at that that is everything I've ever... That is every column I've ever written, every thought I've ever had is in that in that series.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Really?

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alexei sayle
I think it feels like it, yeah. Anyway, so there we are. Anyway, so this talent last night went out. And we'll see you over the next... Four weeks, what unfolds? I miss that, I miss that, you know, linear.

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alexei sayle
you know when when You know, everybody listened at the same time.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah

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alexei sayle
so

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alexei sayle
You don't get any more. But, ah yeah, it's, yes, I'm very happy with,

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

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alexei sayle
how it's turned out in the end. I mean, we did, you know, so we went back and re-recorded some stuff and did an extra, whole extra evenings recording, because I felt like I needed to do that.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and It's hard to spot what bits they were.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, you'd never, you'd never be able to tell. um So, yeah, okay.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, and a lot of energy you expunge up on that stage, isn't it?

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alexei sayle
Yes, as opposed to like now. Yeah.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah. Sleepy Alexi we get on the podcast.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
night to a Bedtime Alexi.

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and I love it, man. Big fan.

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alexei sayle
Thank you.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Congratulations.

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alexei sayle
Thank you. ah So what where would you like to go now?

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and And wait, on the...

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alexei sayle
Now we've got that settled.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, just to let... Well, while we're talking about your public ah shit, I want to say that your episode with Nigel of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip has a broadcast date Thursday, March the 13th, 7pm on BBC2.

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alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

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alexei sayle
Thursday, March the 13th, all right.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
seven pm on bbc two

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alexei sayle
Right? There's a big publicity blitz about that.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
A little bit, yeah. Alexei Sale and Nigel Planer travel across Northumberland in a 1969 MGC Roadster.

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alexei sayle
Yes.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Godfathers of alternative comedy, Alexei Sale and Nigel Planer. That's going to be fucking hilarious.

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alexei sayle
but

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
a I can't wait.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I can't wait. And I think, yeah, you're going have... Give it a year, you're gonna have a lot more to say on Sandwich Bar. I'm boiling hot.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, certainly the world is in a sense, the world is cooperating with providing new material.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What is it you said in the you know in times of darkness, will there be singing? There will be singing, but about the darkness.

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alexei sayle
Yes, Bertolt Brecht, the motto. Yeah.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Let's see how much darker it gets.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I made lebne.

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alexei sayle
All right, okay.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Do you like lebne?

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alexei sayle
I do, yeah. What's the difference between that and yogurt?

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's strained, it's very strained yogurt.

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alexei sayle
Right.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um So like Greek yogurt is like slightly strained, but then you you add a bit of salt to the yogurt and then you whack it in a cheesecloth.

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alexei sayle
Right.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and hang it over a bowl overnight which is what I did last night and when we're done recording here I'm gonna go eat myself a bowl of lebne this is the first time I've done it I'm very excited I'm gonna garnish it with some dry mint and lots of olive oil dip my pitta bread in it

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alexei sayle
Sounds exciting.

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alexei sayle
Yum, yum, yum. That's lovely. I went, you know, my, um and it's a, you one of my favourite sort Middle Eastern stroke, Levantine things is, I've got, I forgot what it's called, Kanafe. Kanafe.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Knafe, the Arabic cheesecake.

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alexei sayle
yeah Yeah, yeah, which sure yeah. there's like There's a place in Green Lanes that only does, I mean, Turkish, but Kanafe.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Mmm.

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alexei sayle
You know, and it varies quite wildly, really, between Turkish and Levante and Kanafe.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Mmm.

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alexei sayle
But I had Kanafe.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

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alexei sayle
There's this is extraordinary place in... um In Holborn, near me, you there's a Palestinian restaurant called Heba. I don't know if you've heard yet.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah. Hibba.

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alexei sayle
Heba, Heba, very nice restaurant. Obviously because they own it or they rent a building, they can fly massive Palestinian flags from the building.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Great.

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alexei sayle
but they So they there's a an attempt to create a cultural center and performance space in the and all the floors. there's about five floors, four or five floors above Heba.

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alexei sayle
And the guy that does Garza Cola, Osama something or other, he was, I think he's the moving figure.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah

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alexei sayle
But what they've done is it's really weird. you got They've taken all the floors out of this five-story building. And so it's just open to the, and then they're going to, they want to have the roof open as well. It's like all decorated like it's a kind of Palestinian, like a Middle Eastern house with a kind of gallery all the way around on each floor.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Like a courtyard in the middle.

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alexei sayle
Like a kind of courtyard. Yeah, like a, yeah. um And I don't know how they've got away because they don't own it. They're renting it.

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alexei sayle
But it's the most extraordinary space. So anyway, Palestine House on Holborn.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission.

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alexei sayle
Yes, I think that's what they...

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Just do the work. They will like it when it's done. Trust me.

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alexei sayle
Exactly.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

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alexei sayle
So anyway, that's... ah I don't know whether it's officially opened yet. It was a kind of fundraising...

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's cool.

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alexei sayle
event yeah and yeah I mean that guy Osama I can't remember his second name he's quite a remarkable character is he a Zumlat his surname isn't Zumlat but

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Isn't he a Zumlot?

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I could be thinking of someone else, but he's Hussam Zumlot's brother, isn't he? I could be speaking out of turn here.

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alexei sayle
I don't think his surname is Zumlat but then that you know I think it's like Noor or something but he's quite a character

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Right.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah There's one in Labrick Grove that's definitely in the Zumlot family. There's ah a cafe, a Palestinian cafe there.

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alexei sayle
Right. Right.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And I'm not sure if it's the same owners. I could be getting mixed up. Yeah. But what about this guy?

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alexei sayle
No, he's very he's very fierce. I think he was in Israeli prisons for a long time. He talked about just he's got a ah kind of adopted son in a way that a friend of his who's an activist said, you know,

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alexei sayle
They're going to kill me, look after my son. so And they did the next day, the Israelis. And I think he said the son has been shot in the head by a drone, taken away from hospital by the Israelis.

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alexei sayle
He doesn't know if he's alive or dead. I mean, and that is an everyday story of Palestinian folk, really.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's funny.

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alexei sayle
He is, yeah.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's not just, yeah, it is, but it's, it's, it's unfortunately a lot of the Arabs and people who come from these dictatorship countries is, it's funny you say, I was crying my eyes out last night.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
We were binge watching season one of Mo, the second half of the season, finishing it off.

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alexei sayle
Right. Yeah.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And It's just heavy stuff. like It's such a funny show and the gags are really good, but just really heavy topics are dealt with. And I love how it's dealt with in such a kind of normal conversational way because it is just so normal.

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alexei sayle
Right.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Every Arabic person and knows someone who's been tortured or been murdered or been disappeared.

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alexei sayle
Yeah, I mean, not just in Palestine, but just anywhere.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and like in Syria or Egypt, it's just a normal thing.

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alexei sayle
Egypt. Even Jordan, really, which is, you know. Yeah.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And, you know, um so, you know, it's it's happening to Mo as well. He's learning stuff about his dad. And I just love that it's, you know, these topics are being talked about kind of conversationally, but in American accents and in Houston, Texas, because it is, we might be living here or born here,

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
in the UK, in America, but we all, we still carry that shit with us, you know?

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alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:18:15.86
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and's so It's so fucking usual that you know someone who's, you know, whether it's your dad, your cousin, your uncle, and then, you know, I always listen to a podcast, I have i i like, there's this podcast where listen to who's a Palestinian American, but it really frustrates me that he never talks about Palestine, it pisses me off.

00:18:31.64
alexei sayle
Right.

00:18:33.08
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But I guess he's got sponsorships to think about, or he doesn't want to alienate his audience or whatever, and I'm just like, you fucking...

00:18:33.12
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:18:37.93
alexei sayle
yeah

00:18:39.10
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
there's a thing in the back of my brain like don't you just mention it you know but then he casually mentioned just in passing in passing you know his dad got sniped by an israeli you know his granddad was sniped by an israeli was oh finally said something but but also it made me really sad for him obviously there's a reason he doesn't want to bring it up on a comedy on a comedy podcast um

00:18:53.49
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:18:57.60
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the collective trauma of that as well is, you know, we're going to last, you know, half, we lost 500 years.

00:19:09.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
especially for these Palestinians now.

00:19:09.20
alexei sayle
Yeah. five hundred years

00:19:11.38
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:19:11.44
alexei sayle
yeah

00:19:12.16
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Especially for them now.

00:19:13.53
alexei sayle
yeah

00:19:13.81
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's such a wide scale.

00:19:15.66
alexei sayle
Yeah, I do believe that trauma does it lasts a long time. It goes down the generations. The trauma of slavery, the trauma of you know European antisemitism, which has landed us in this current mess, it goes on and on and on, really.

00:19:36.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
it And it turns ugly after some generations, doesn't it? Yeah.

00:19:39.50
alexei sayle
Well, it can do, yes.

00:19:41.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It can do.

00:19:43.40
alexei sayle
um

00:19:45.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
you're You're from a Russian Jewish background, right?

00:19:47.97
alexei sayle
I think so, yeah. I should um mean i should really read research. I've forgotten. It's a bit like i've forgotten like a con man.

00:19:52.58
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That...

00:19:53.90
alexei sayle
I've forgotten which lie I told, really, about what where I'm from.

00:19:55.73
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ha

00:19:58.32
alexei sayle
um Because I sometimes said I was... kind of of Molly was very unreliable, really. so Possibly like Odessa or maybe lithuan Lithuania. Odessa, yeah.

00:20:08.58
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That could be your next sandwich bar season.

00:20:08.68
alexei sayle
so ah je yeah

00:20:10.47
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's like i would who a who who do you think you are style?

00:20:12.10
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's not bad. They asked me to do the first series, Who Do you Do?

00:20:17.23
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Who do you do?

00:20:17.38
alexei sayle
i mean They asked me to be in it, and I was like, fuck off, who's going to do that?

00:20:21.79
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Who do you think you are?

00:20:21.96
alexei sayle
And then, of course, when it got successful, I went back and said, no, I wouldn't.

00:20:22.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah,

00:20:25.16
alexei sayle
They said, no, fuck you, you don't get to turn us down and and mean anymore.

00:20:26.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
that.

00:20:30.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah that

00:20:30.30
alexei sayle
Starring a reasonably priced car, I did that as well with Top Gear. Again, I was like, no, fuck, I'm not doing that. And then... Again, when I saw how popular it was, I tried to weasel my way back in, but they were having none of it.

00:20:38.81
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:20:44.41
alexei sayle
I've done that.

00:20:44.64
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No, stick to your...

00:20:46.01
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:20:46.38
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You have good instincts with that. You might turn down the odd thing you regret, but I'm sure there's a lot of stuff that you were right to turn down. But um yeah, you i wonder if your family history is like Fiddler on the Roof style village...

00:21:01.91
alexei sayle
um I think it must be a bit. I mean, yeah. I mean, my it was my grandparents came over from... um they met in Molly's parents met in Northern Ireland. with They were both Jewish. They both fleeing persecution somewhere in, I guess, the Russian Empire.

00:21:19.70
alexei sayle
ah Met in Northern Ireland and then came over to Liverpool. They were Orthodox. They only spoke Yiddish. in the house and that's all I know.

00:21:31.22
alexei sayle
um man If anybody wants to look, anybody who wants to do that for me, they will call Mendelssohn. I think they, yeah.

00:21:36.40
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, yeah, of course. Sales, your dad's name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:39.07
alexei sayle
Sail is a Manx name.

00:21:42.68
alexei sayle
Viking. um

00:21:43.46
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Mandelson. let's

00:21:45.25
alexei sayle
Mendelssohn, they landed up in Lairgan in Northern, I think it is in Northern Ireland.

00:21:45.96
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Mandelson.

00:21:51.16
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Any ah family historians out there?

00:21:54.05
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:21:54.67
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Feel free to get in touch.

00:21:56.38
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:21:56.75
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I'd love to learn about that, yeah. I love Fiddler on the Roof as well.

00:21:58.73
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:22:00.71
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What's the correct blessing for the Tsar?

00:22:00.82
alexei sayle
Yeah, I think I was offered... think at some point I was offered, like, a second, you know, like a second, a number two tour of Fiddler on the Roof.

00:22:04.33
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Do you...

00:22:12.53
alexei sayle
You know, just doing, like, ah you know, doing theatres, like, you know, do a big tour of Nottingham and Dundee, playing T-Fall or whatever he's called.

00:22:16.64
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
surely playing, ah he's played by Zero Monstel or something in the film and Omid Jalili in the West End production, which I went to see.

00:22:21.84
alexei sayle
The guy

00:22:25.36
alexei sayle
Zero Mostel in the film. Yeah. Yeah.

00:22:32.22
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
He was he was great. There was so much backlash.

00:22:33.86
alexei sayle
Really?

00:22:34.49
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There was so much backlash.

00:22:36.07
alexei sayle
Because he's Iranian. Yeah.

00:22:38.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And it's,

00:22:38.91
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:22:42.04
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
whereas as we we, you know, I think Middle Easterners probably have a closer genealogy to to Orthodox Russian Jews

00:22:48.18
alexei sayle
Indeed. Yeah. Well, that's a true. That's a fact. Yeah, absolutely. Well, that's genetically improved as I understand that

00:22:56.47
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
than some, you know, English Jewish actor who's going to be fabulous and brilliant at it. um it's But yeah, he was...

00:23:03.96
alexei sayle
them. Well, anyway, yeah.

00:23:05.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
he And he was so good.

00:23:05.60
alexei sayle
Right.

00:23:07.20
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
He was so good and perfect in that fucking role.

00:23:09.04
alexei sayle
Right.

00:23:09.92
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Like... Just go, anyone who complained about it surely didn't actually go and watch it because they would have seen.

00:23:16.00
alexei sayle
right

00:23:16.57
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What's the name of that main character? It's Cycle, Seekle.

00:23:20.24
alexei sayle
Tiefel, isn't it?

00:23:22.56
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, gives a fuck. You offered that and you told them to fuck off, I'm sure.

00:23:25.40
alexei sayle
Number two, yeah, number two tour, yeah, Nottingham, Dundee,

00:23:27.66
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, no, that's below you.

00:23:33.67
alexei sayle
Northampton.

00:23:33.66
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
love that film though. I love that film so much.

00:23:35.52
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:23:38.41
alexei sayle
Sunrise, sunset, sunrise, sun...

00:23:40.13
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, stunning song.

00:23:43.16
alexei sayle
like it anyway.

00:23:43.19
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's a long film though.

00:23:44.74
alexei sayle
Yeah, is it? It's long time since I've seen it, really.

00:23:45.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's a slog.

00:23:49.83
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, you your your um family.

00:23:49.88
alexei sayle
um

00:23:52.58
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
you It was nice hearing ah stories about Molly on Sandwich Bar.

00:23:58.06
alexei sayle
Well, she does, you know, she was quite a character, and quite a life, really.

00:24:07.50
alexei sayle
If she'd been somebody else's mother, that you would I would find her delightful.

00:24:13.52
alexei sayle
But still, well, you know, she was pretty mad.

00:24:13.51
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh really?

00:24:18.75
alexei sayle
pretty man

00:24:21.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Was she mean to you though?

00:24:22.45
alexei sayle
Mean?

00:24:22.60
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
i

00:24:23.09
alexei sayle
god was kind of, yeah, yeah.

00:24:23.41
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I get the feeling that you had a nice relationship.

00:24:25.81
alexei sayle
Only because I made it so. she She would have...

00:24:27.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes.

00:24:29.18
alexei sayle
No, I mean, she was crazy, really. I mean, I thought it was important, especially towards the end of her life, that I did,

00:24:32.36
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Wow.

00:24:38.04
alexei sayle
um you know, made sure that we had a good relationship. But being up to her, it wouldn't necessarily... She was... um

00:24:50.09
alexei sayle
she yeah Yeah, she had a kind of sort of psychological need to create chaos, I think, looking back on it now, really. And, you know, who knows where that comes from? But, you know, she liked to set people against each other and stuff that. I mean, she was also amazing character, but, you know, she did like to create division and chaos.

00:25:16.85
alexei sayle
I remember that, yeah, oh, God, but.

00:25:18.44
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Was that focused on you?

00:25:20.77
alexei sayle
Oh, anybody. Anybody that came into it across the earth, really.

00:25:21.68
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Anybody?

00:25:24.87
alexei sayle
People next door, she would... She's very good at, you know, kind of finding what upset people and them working on it, you know.

00:25:33.75
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Bloody hell. Fuck, she sounds dastardly.

00:25:34.99
alexei sayle
Yeah, well...

00:25:37.08
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:25:37.44
alexei sayle
You don't become a comic. You know, people have said this. People say, ask me, how can I, you know, ensure my child becomes a comedian? And I say, be horrible to them.

00:25:46.79
alexei sayle
That's the best way to...

00:25:49.72
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's not true. That's not true. Depends what kind of comic.

00:25:54.49
alexei sayle
No,

00:25:56.51
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, God. Did she approve Oh, is this getting too personal?

00:25:59.96
alexei sayle
no no, I don't mind. but's how I told you, I've done it.

00:26:01.08
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Did she approve of your relationships?

00:26:04.96
alexei sayle
Yeah, she was both, yeah, she was, yeah. She was sort of impressed with Linda and Linda stood up to her really. Yeah.

00:26:12.70
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Ah. Ah.

00:26:14.07
alexei sayle
um But, you know, obviously it was difficult. um But I tell that story about the first time I was on TV and I rang Molly up the next day and said, what she think? And she said, well, Keith Allen wasn't very good either.

00:26:32.90
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:26:35.41
alexei sayle
she would don't i mean She did that thing, which is typical kind of as well. I remember a friend of ours, her mother had a stall in Baconhead Market selling cloth, and this woman had come in and say about how her son was on the telly and doing this and doing that.

00:26:49.26
alexei sayle
She just thought she was insane. but In fact, it was Molly. I mean, she was insane, but for different reasons, really. But she would brag to other people, but never give me any praise.

00:26:58.84
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:27:02.95
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
it's pretty typical sounding.

00:27:04.18
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's pretty typical kind of immigrant.

00:27:08.62
alexei sayle
Very common with Chinese, I think.

00:27:11.43
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
She had a Yiddish accent kind of thing that was.

00:27:11.76
alexei sayle
That kind of behaviour. No, it's Liverpool Jewish accent of people born... it's a kind of it's a liverpool jewish accent of of of people born

00:27:22.66
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What does that sound like?

00:27:22.96
alexei sayle
before the second world war. It's quite nasal and though she's from Manchester, there's a terrible Zionist. Used to be Molly's MP. She's from Manchester. I can't remember her name though. um Louise. and

00:27:42.17
alexei sayle
Anyway, she's got it.

00:27:43.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What year are talking?

00:27:45.86
alexei sayle
Nineties. I've rowed with her on the media sometimes about previous incursions into Gaza. It was that woman who had an affair with John john Major.

00:28:01.59
alexei sayle
was a Tory minister. She's from the Liverpool Jewish community and she's got the accent.

00:28:06.91
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Edwina Curry.

00:28:07.89
alexei sayle
Edwina Currie, yeah. That's kind of Molly's accent.

00:28:14.43
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Okay, was hoping you'd do an impression.

00:28:17.12
alexei sayle
Louise Ellman.

00:28:19.16
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Louise Elman.

00:28:19.18
alexei sayle
I can't. Yeah. Again, she's got it, really.

00:28:25.26
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh,

00:28:25.35
alexei sayle
um Even though she's from Manchester, but she always sounded like my mother to me, really, which was very, which gave me very mixed feelings, seeing as she's a raving Zionist.

00:28:39.78
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh yeah, look at that. She's 79 now.

00:28:43.46
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:28:44.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
She's a dame.

00:28:45.72
alexei sayle
Yes. Well, you know. She would be.

00:28:54.10
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
She was a Liverpool MP.

00:28:55.88
alexei sayle
Yeah, she was the MP for the pool. man

00:28:58.75
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, you...

00:28:58.99
alexei sayle
Riverside is where me mother lived, where her doting son bought her a beautiful house that she was never grateful for.

00:29:08.51
alexei sayle
Would never say thank you.

00:29:11.34
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, right, and she quit Labour over the Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitism bullshit.

00:29:11.58
alexei sayle
She's... All that bullshit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All that crap.

00:29:18.07
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Fuck you, Louise Ellman. Closing the tab.

00:29:19.72
alexei sayle
Indeed, even if you sound even she saw like my mother.

00:29:23.36
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh.

00:29:24.98
alexei sayle
So say weird, weird, yeah, weird emotions stirred up, but yeah.

00:29:32.98
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That is, yeah, that's funny.

00:29:37.92
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Did you any reflections on our wonderful guests last week? Thank you to Jess Bernard for joining the podcast.

00:29:46.49
alexei sayle
No, she was lovely. I think she was very nice. I still don't know what she's doing in the Labour Party, but, you know, that's her choice, really.

00:29:53.91
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Had a couple people reach out and say they will only cancel their membership if they get kicked out.

00:29:59.15
alexei sayle
Right.

00:30:00.27
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I guess there's something to be said for that tenacious, stubborn kind of attitude that... Like, you don't get to tell me what this party is.

00:30:09.92
alexei sayle
Yes, I suppose so.

00:30:10.36
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and As long as I'm here, I stake a claim to a part of this party, you know.

00:30:14.63
alexei sayle
Yeah, well, okay, yeah, fine.

00:30:15.08
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:30:17.96
alexei sayle
I've been reading this book about, what's it called? Get In, about Starmer. ah but You know, I'm obsessed with reading books about the Labour Party, but I don't know why where that comes from.

00:30:27.21
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah

00:30:30.30
alexei sayle
But, um they I mean, it's about, i mean they that I mean, they comment on the absolute dishonesty of the way that You know, the the authors say it was dishonest to Morgan McSweeney, the way that the lies that they told, the way they hid their true intentions.

00:30:45.87
alexei sayle
I mean, they're not nearly explicit enough about who the people are who back Morgan McSweeney and Labour together. ah where the money came from. But and nevertheless, they one of the things that one of the things that Linda noticed about Starmer, though, when she was in the Labour Party in and his work, was that he he always be surrounded himself with a fawning group of young people.

00:31:12.26
alexei sayle
Horrible, kind of nerdy, political, kind of, um you know young, kind of, you know come out student politics and then gone into local government or...

00:31:22.27
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:31:22.44
alexei sayle
think tanks but just the creepiest nastiest always zionists as well creepiest kind of most fought and he he really basked in their admiration and there's a reference here but they're talking about towards the end about the battle between more and what this is very westminster village ship or the battle between sue gray and morgan mcsweeney but just saying about how Keir's got all these boys in his office, young men, young political men, and how much he... The quote is, somebody says, he thinks they're his children. it's It's a bit creepy.

00:31:56.59
alexei sayle
I think that's a really interesting insight into that man, really.

00:31:57.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well,

00:31:59.35
alexei sayle
is I don't know what it tells us. I mean, apart from what it actually tells us, what it means, really. But he loves being surrounded by these fawning acolytes, really.

00:32:10.23
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
there's one thing being ah approved of by your peers, but to have the youth on your side is like a really big accomplishment for anyone in that age bracket.

00:32:19.54
alexei sayle
I don't think it's the youth. It's just to some terrible, terrible young people. I wouldn't, I don't think.

00:32:23.33
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes, but he's he's fooling himself or he's or he's trying to create that image.

00:32:24.29
alexei sayle
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't, I don't think it's about, i just realised that I'm going on about this after you've spent about 10 minutes telling me how great science Sandwich Paris is.

00:32:37.36
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah I'm not young though. I'm nearly 40, Alexei.

00:32:39.94
alexei sayle
Yeah, but you know, well, you're younger than me. Yeah.

00:32:43.27
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah

00:32:43.30
alexei sayle
Anyway, but ah yeah, just thought it's, I just thought it told us,

00:32:45.81
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah ah Maybe that's a reaction to how much young people genuinely ah Jeremy Corbyn inspired um hundred in their tens and hundreds of thousands, ah all rallying around Corbyn as if...

00:32:54.64
alexei sayle
Real decent young people, yeah.

00:33:01.19
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah.

00:33:03.96
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
you know ah you know my

00:33:05.69
alexei sayle
Yeah, I don't think there's many of these shitbags, but he's scooped up there the worst of them, really, and surrounded himself. And, you know, men of older men as well, people like McSweeney and, you know, people... yep ah that I don't know. It just...

00:33:22.86
alexei sayle
yes

00:33:26.30
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, a little Linda Wilf interaction in the background.

00:33:27.36
alexei sayle
Linda.

00:33:29.93
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hello Wilf. Hi Linda.

00:33:32.34
alexei sayle
Can you come and shut a shut? I'll shut the door.

00:33:37.38
alexei sayle
It's bothering me.

00:33:38.22
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Go on, I'll top up my coffee.

00:33:39.27
alexei sayle
So

00:33:42.70
alexei sayle
I chased him off or what?

00:33:46.19
alexei sayle
No, no, no. You're like a weird lady. Oh, yeah. Oh, right. Yeah.

00:33:58.95
alexei sayle
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah

00:34:23.52
alexei sayle
Linda said about his acolytes, that that his young acolytes, that he also had weird names. All that weird names, like sort of Gaston Prenderbott and stuff.

00:34:31.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah

00:34:32.44
alexei sayle
um Which... You know, it's kind of like that.

00:34:36.90
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Cast on Prindabon.

00:34:39.17
alexei sayle
I think it's not real. now But, you know, yeah it's just a ah thing that they that they they shared was weird names.

00:34:46.26
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Falkirk.

00:34:48.07
alexei sayle
Anyway, so I just think that gives you just a glimpse.

00:34:50.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Shammy.

00:34:50.74
alexei sayle
i mean, a glimpse into the um plus psychology of that man, really.

00:34:55.69
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There's nothing more disgusting than a young Zionist. There's something particularly...

00:34:59.59
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah.

00:35:00.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
kind of a like they're in a cult but with a real evil veneer on it being young and wanting to get to politics it's so disgusting

00:35:03.90
alexei sayle
Yes, well, they are, yes Yeah, I mean, they're not just Zionists, but also sort of, you know, they're ambitious politically and just, you know, right-wing.

00:35:15.48
alexei sayle
Anyways, I know, exactly, exactly. I mean, West Street, you know, student politics.

00:35:20.82
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That is not the street, the road into politics. Just make something of your life and then be asked to represent your people.

00:35:28.15
alexei sayle
Yes.

00:35:28.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's how you should get into politics.

00:35:30.85
alexei sayle
Yes, it's...

00:35:31.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
my Coming out of university, I've got a politics master's and I'm ready to run this part of the world.

00:35:35.53
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:35:38.38
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And just that oozing ambition is just the wrong, complete wrong ah makeup for a politician.

00:35:42.57
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:35:47.47
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's not what we need.

00:35:47.57
alexei sayle
Yes, but that is what our political class is these days, you know. And, you know, they're...

00:35:55.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
spotty little fuckwits.

00:35:55.61
alexei sayle
Yes. Yeah. Yeah, as you say, spotty little fuckwits. So that's... That's that, anyway.

00:36:08.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Quick shout out to new patrons that have joined this week.

00:36:08.87
alexei sayle
with

00:36:14.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
We had Victoria. Hello, Victoria. We had, uh, David upgraded his membership, added a couple extra quid a week.

00:36:23.29
alexei sayle
from gold to platinum.

00:36:23.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Uh, Something like that, yeah. ah Well, no, don't get ahead yourself. They changed it from £2 to £3. Lee joined. Thank you. Welcome, Lee. Laura commented. No.

00:36:38.48
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
George also upgraded his membership. And there's one more.

00:36:45.82
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Dr. Steve.

00:36:47.92
alexei sayle
Dr. Steve.

00:36:49.21
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Welcome, good doctor.

00:36:51.01
alexei sayle
Yes.

00:36:51.80
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
How are you?

00:36:54.28
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Um...

00:36:54.63
alexei sayle
um Oh, Film Club. but the Film Club.

00:36:57.30
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
do data da

00:36:57.51
alexei sayle
success Film Club. Film Club.

00:36:59.26
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
a

00:37:00.27
alexei sayle
Film Club with Alexis. Oh, well, I watched them ah watched the Quick Change last night, which I forced people to watch, and I didn't like it much, really.

00:37:08.28
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Shit. And that was Alexis Hale's Film Club.

00:37:10.81
alexei sayle
ah yeah it wasn't very good I made you watch a film that is alright but not really great i don't know I don't know if it's because I know it too well but obviously none of the you know the first that like reveal of him on the subway train stuff you know the first time was very effective but once you've seen it you've seen it and I guess so yeah

00:37:11.86
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Thanks so much. butdeda do d

00:37:19.36
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, this is new.

00:37:32.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, at the very beginning.

00:37:36.03
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But what about the reveal that the the two released hostages were actually...

00:37:42.69
alexei sayle
Yeah, well, the first time you'd kind of, you'd think, why are Randy Quaid and Geena Davis being held hostage in this bank?

00:37:43.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
his

00:37:49.83
alexei sayle
But, I mean, ah yeah, I just think, you know, that's it's ah it's a sort of, when there's not much else, those narrative revelations are not enough.

00:38:03.10
alexei sayle
Well, you know, you watch it once and then. The great American film critic Pauline Cale only ever watched every film once. which is a very um modern thing to do, really, because people, I think, watch their favourite film over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

00:38:16.44
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:38:21.06
alexei sayle
But that was her thing that she said, you know.

00:38:24.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, what the hell? What else was your but quick change? let Let me just introduce it for our listeners. ah Grim, a city planner who's fed up with his city.

00:38:36.57
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
decides along with his fiancee Phyllis and his brother or something Loomis to rob a bank and run away to Fiji with nothing but a clown costume and some parcel tape.

00:38:41.58
alexei sayle
Hmm.

00:38:47.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They pull off the heist.

00:38:48.92
alexei sayle
Yeah, because they do did you get away with it, which is, I think, unusual.

00:38:49.65
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, they also had a gun.

00:38:52.63
alexei sayle
I think these days they wouldn't be a allowed to, actually. They do get away with the robbery, which is an unusual twist in itself in some ways.

00:38:56.92
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:39:02.07
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They make a very strong point that the money is all insured and no one was harmed and all that.

00:39:05.97
alexei sayle
Yes, that's true, yeah.

00:39:08.13
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Now all that's left is to make it to the airport in time for their flight. But the city of New York has other plans. The cops, mafia, obsessive compulsive bus drivers, ethnically vague cab drivers will do all they can to stop them.

00:39:22.48
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Will they make it in time? Or will New York City chew them up and spit them out like a big apple?

00:39:27.15
alexei sayle
ah

00:39:28.82
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
King Kong Pizza Rat. Hey, I'm walking here. Taxi driver. Chrysler building. Giuliani. Wall Street. Hot dog. a Quick change. nineteen 1990.

00:39:38.98
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Bill Murray.

00:39:39.61
alexei sayle
thatll do Yeah.

00:39:39.74
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Gina Davis. Randy Quaid.

00:39:41.55
alexei sayle
Yes. Thank you.

00:39:42.98
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and Incredible cast. Jason Robards, who i I first saw in Magnolia back in like 2000 or something.

00:39:46.10
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:39:48.92
alexei sayle
All right.

00:39:49.70
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
He's brilliant.

00:39:49.84
alexei sayle
All right.

00:39:52.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Phil Hartman, Tony Shalhoub. What did you think of Tony Shalhoub?

00:39:55.21
alexei sayle
Yeah, no, he was good. I mean, that was a breakthrough role, was it? No, he's currently on Netflix and netflix in the 2000s TV series Monk, isn't it?

00:39:58.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I think so, yeah.

00:40:03.16
alexei sayle
He plays some kind of autistic detective.

00:40:03.80
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes, they've... Yeah.

00:40:07.13
alexei sayle
um ah Yeah, Tony Shalhoub is very funny. like you said, that made-up language that he speaks. I always liked that.

00:40:15.78
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Interesting choice.

00:40:16.15
alexei sayle
Stunned.

00:40:16.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That feels like it was his choice.

00:40:19.21
alexei sayle
I wonder really, I don't know whether it's the, you know, somebody very, some expert in kind of made up language.

00:40:21.32
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I'll do your movie.

00:40:24.84
alexei sayle
It sounds very real. It doesn't sound like a Kodak language at all. It sounds absolutely like a real kind of Middle middle Eastern.

00:40:31.90
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, yeah, to your to your plebeian English ears. Yeah.

00:40:36.08
alexei sayle
I've been around.

00:40:38.15
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Been around.

00:40:38.64
alexei sayle
Hablo Español.

00:40:38.73
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
All right.

00:40:41.73
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And. had some like dog day afternoon qualities to it in the first 20 minutes. I thought the whole, I felt like when are they going to get out of this bank? It felt like they were planting themselves there for the whole movie, but I knew there was more to come.

00:40:49.96
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:55.80
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and Why did, what else did you hate about it? Or did you hate it?

00:40:58.54
alexei sayle
didn't hate it, but I didn't love it, really. i was just, a I mean, did anybody comment it?

00:41:05.09
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No.

00:41:06.40
alexei sayle
That shows you, tells you, doesn't it, really?

00:41:09.21
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I suppose, but maybe, uh,

00:41:09.90
alexei sayle
And it's not it's not political or anything. i mean, it probably doesn't really appeal to our... ah demographic really ahhe um it's okay and I say the first time I watched it I loved it really so that in a sense should be enough really there's no reason why you should have to watch it I one of the things I find in interesting is just what ah even compared to London what year was it made did you say

00:41:18.05
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
1990. Yeah.

00:41:32.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
nineteen ninety s

00:41:34.66
alexei sayle
1990 in New York is still an absolute wreck then that they drive past streets and streets.

00:41:39.03
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah

00:41:40.59
alexei sayle
And presumably now all those those gaps have been filled in with pricey. and I mean, New York is not a city that I know at all. But, um you know, all those gaps presumably have been filled in with price. And they talk about tearing down.

00:41:54.94
alexei sayle
Also, there's a small thread about tearing down beautiful buildings and stuff. But presumably now all those areas that were derelict then are now absolutely sprawnsy and full of Lena Dunham types.

00:42:10.08
alexei sayle
um But that's, you know, rapid, relatively rapid. turnaround assume they are I don't know maybe somebody knows New York and tell me maybe there are still areas of kind of dereliction in New York it seems unlikely

00:42:27.78
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um I think it was well I don't think it was till like mid 90s really that that all started isn't it was that Giuliani's doing

00:42:36.04
alexei sayle
yeah probably yeah that again I don't know I don't really trust Giuliani but yeah

00:42:41.28
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So what

00:42:45.85
alexei sayle
But it' not inevitable.

00:42:45.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
so what do you think of that idea?

00:42:46.69
alexei sayle
it's the same as London. Yeah, on.

00:42:47.82
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's inevitable, yeah. But obviously it wipes out a lot of the character of ah of a city. But in terms of like crime and cleanliness, and

00:43:01.98
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
there's good and bad to that kind of massive overhauling, isn't there?

00:43:07.49
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah.

00:43:07.71
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
When you look back at it like now,

00:43:08.42
alexei sayle
I mean, Yes.

00:43:11.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I guess it kind of sterilizes the place.

00:43:12.02
alexei sayle
Yes.

00:43:14.99
alexei sayle
It does.

00:43:15.07
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I've got mixed feelings.

00:43:15.39
alexei sayle
They're all the same. Every city in the world has got its shortage, you know. Taipei, Baghdad, probably got like a graffiti-covered neighbourhood where you can get a flat white.

00:43:29.46
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
that yeah That's one thing I hate about it.

00:43:30.24
alexei sayle
Probably not Kabul. But um and maybe they have. Yes, but it's it's it's it's very, it seems very universal now, yeah, yeah.

00:43:41.89
alexei sayle
and But so anyway, it was all right. It was a doubleheader, also a New York theme. We were going to do it with a... We were going to also watch or age people to watch the movie Saturday Night, which is an HBO movie or something.

00:43:53.28
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
which I couldn't watch, um, because they've taken it off all the streaming stuff because it's in cinema.

00:43:59.48
alexei sayle
Really?

00:44:00.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's back in cinemas at the moment.

00:44:01.88
alexei sayle
ah really? um

00:44:03.78
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Um, but we had Mark in the, in the Patreon chat wrote a nice write up for Saturday night.

00:44:06.50
alexei sayle
It's interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

00:44:09.86
alexei sayle
yeah

00:44:11.82
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Um, see, and he also watched it last month because yeah, it was on streaming. You could at least buy it on streaming, but now all I could find was to pre-order it. Um,

00:44:21.55
alexei sayle
Right.

00:44:22.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And there's a he mainly watched it because of the Scouse actress, Emily Fenn, who plays Lorraine Newman in it ah to support Merseyside, Famalam.

00:44:31.42
alexei sayle
All right.

00:44:34.31
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:44:34.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um He gets what Jason Reitman is trying to do by creating a frenetic mood piece about the hour or so backstage before the very first episode of Saturday Night Live. But the film is actually at its best when it ignores the bustling detail and actually stops for a moment.

00:44:50.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
The sequence in which... Well, let's pause there. Do you agree with that? you think?

00:44:55.17
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah. I'm interested to hear what comes next.

00:44:58.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
The sequence in which Dick Ebersole, played by Cooper Hoffman, confronts Lorne Michaels, played by Gabriel Lebel, about the truth behind his baby and how NBC literally want it to fail, ah had the baby being the show, is arguably the high point of the movie, and it's just two guys talking on a stairwell.

00:45:18.90
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of interesting, there's a fabulous set. I mean, again, I don't, because I'm not, you know, we're not steeped in US culture, so we don't really know the, there's a fabulous performance by J.K. Simmons, who plays, mort is it Mort Sahl?

00:45:37.19
alexei sayle
I think was a kind of a staple of kind of US lights entertainment.

00:45:42.96
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:45:43.30
alexei sayle
Is it? Yeah. Wonderful.

00:45:44.38
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:45:44.71
alexei sayle
Amazing performance. and you just see this kind of predatory kind of showbiz monster. Beautifully done by... Interestingly enough, um Cooper Hoffman is in a...

00:45:58.27
alexei sayle
He's obviously a coming... He's in ah a movie... um

00:46:01.36
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Black, no, licorice pizza.

00:46:03.56
alexei sayle
No, another movie called ah The Old Guy or something, which stars my old friend Christoph Waltz.

00:46:10.30
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hmm.

00:46:10.43
alexei sayle
And... um Christoph Waltz, Lucy Liu and Cooper Hoffman. but Again, about a fucking retired hitman or we just about to retire hitman.

00:46:20.73
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's called alt old guy, yeah.

00:46:21.41
alexei sayle
Same one story. Also directed by Simon West, who co-starred in a disastrous TV series that he directed in the early 2000s for a Fox TV. The last time I probably worked in sort American-ish television.

00:46:36.07
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What show is this?

00:46:37.68
alexei sayle
Keen Eddie, it was called. They yanked it after four episodes. Have I talked about Keen Eddy before?

00:46:42.96
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Shut up. No, American comedy drama series.

00:46:45.87
alexei sayle
No.

00:46:47.32
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Key edit. There you are.

00:46:49.15
alexei sayle
They're in the cast, yeah.

00:46:49.28
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
oh I've seen. There's a photo of you and a cast walking across the Millennium Bridge in London.

00:46:54.93
alexei sayle
Yes, yes, that's where we're from in the past.

00:46:55.96
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's from this, is it?

00:46:57.38
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:46:57.94
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And it's a it's a bad show.

00:47:00.83
alexei sayle
It was terrible, yes.

00:47:00.95
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's got a good rating. 8.4 out of 10.

00:47:02.53
alexei sayle
Really? see ya Well, then why did they yank it after four episodes? Sienna Miller, it was her first big job as well.

00:47:09.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Eddie Arlett is a down on his luck New York police detective. dumped by his girlfriend, drug bust gone bad, he's sent to England are the worst punishment.

00:47:21.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
He's sent to England with his dog, Pete.

00:47:24.74
alexei sayle
I don't think the dog made it past the pilot, but I can't remember now.

00:47:28.19
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's like a French bulldog. To clean up the mess he made from his botched narcotics thing.

00:47:33.56
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:47:33.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
During his first week, he contends with a host of characters. I assume one of them is you.

00:47:38.98
alexei sayle
Yep. I was the kind of, yeah, I was the kind of fuzzy bear guy. If you remember your Starsky and Hutch, I was kind of kind of the connection with the underworld.

00:47:45.94
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, really? With the crime?

00:47:48.84
alexei sayle
Yeah. ah Maybe I won't do it now. I don't know, but we can do a Keen Eddie special.

00:47:54.82
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Fucking hell. Well, we need to do some research.

00:47:56.52
alexei sayle
Anybody? Yeah, I've got a lot to say about that.

00:47:57.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
We need to find out where we can watch it. um

00:48:01.67
alexei sayle
Can you watch it anywhere? mean, how many episodes could you watch? Does it show all...

00:48:09.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I'll do some research. No, we want get too...

00:48:12.26
alexei sayle
Yeah, but Sam West also made a really good film. I like a film, although it's got some confusion.

00:48:17.55
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah lots Lots of...

00:48:18.75
alexei sayle
He did, like, Con Air, which I think is a great film, although it does probably have some dubious content.

00:48:22.21
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes, it is.

00:48:24.43
alexei sayle
But it's a fucking crassie.

00:48:25.48
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Low ratings why they cancelled it. It's just low ratings. It's the only...

00:48:29.48
alexei sayle
Well, that's because people didn't like it, yeah. Really?

00:48:32.71
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Lots of blogs. online saying they're furious that got cancelled and there's a nice reddit thread about it just from a year ago you're on all the image images you're one of the main cast in it

00:48:38.81
alexei sayle
Really?

00:48:47.31
alexei sayle
Yeah, I was one of the series regulars, yeah. and Until I wasn't, that was it.

00:48:50.90
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
i imagine you had one scene per episode basically like a nice scene

00:48:53.59
alexei sayle
No, it was weirder than that. I mean, ah we filmed the pilot, and and the pilot obviously got picked up by Fox, and I was part of the the central, the five central, I was a series reg as that our joint agent now calls it, you says about people.

00:49:06.99
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
fuck this?

00:49:11.87
alexei sayle
So I was a series reg and then, so we made the pilot and then we made episode two, in which I played a prominent role. And I said, well, I invited the cast, see on Monday sort of thing. And then then they never got in touch with me ever again, really.

00:49:25.13
alexei sayle
Until I think episode 11, they got me back to just basically being an extra. Well, I was on pay or play, so I was getting paid anyway, so I didn't care. and

00:49:35.32
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So you were only in those three episodes.

00:49:37.40
alexei sayle
Yeah. And one of them, I don't do anything apart from pointed things.

00:49:42.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, you're very good at that.

00:49:44.46
alexei sayle
yeah But I don't know whether their research... I don't know whether... I think whether their research... should yeah that the I mean, people didn't like the whole thing, so... Whether or not they objected to me, I don't know. But yeah, they never, it was it was the most, it but it was weird experience.

00:50:03.77
alexei sayle
A very nice guy. He later was in a, he's a staple of, what's he called? The central character is a staple of kind of US kind of TV.

00:50:16.50
alexei sayle
Not quite soaps, but what's his name? Does he see there?

00:50:23.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Mark Vallee.

00:50:24.20
alexei sayle
Mark Valley, yeah, he's a nice guy. And also, what's the other, his English sidekick? He's a very, Julian Ryan Tut, he's lovely.

00:50:33.51
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:50:33.99
alexei sayle
He was in it as well.

00:50:34.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, he's very recognisable.

00:50:36.22
alexei sayle
Yeah, Colin Salmon. Sienna Miller and me.

00:50:43.09
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Sarah Jane Potts.

00:50:45.91
alexei sayle
Oh, yes.

00:50:48.69
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
One ball bill played by Alex McSweeney. All right, cool. Let's, let's ah I'm going to try and find.

00:50:53.36
alexei sayle
Yeah, we can return. We can circle back to that.

00:50:55.38
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, we'll circle back to that.

00:50:55.40
alexei sayle
might be to talk about it.

00:50:57.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Mark, about going back to Saturday night, Mark goes on to say he thinks Reitman, the guy who made the film Saturday night, is a bit too close to the people he's portraying.

00:51:06.59
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:51:07.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And.

00:51:10.78
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hello, Wilf.

00:51:11.90
alexei sayle
Well, shut up.

00:51:13.34
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No. um So he puts them up on a pedestal a bit in the film.

00:51:20.67
alexei sayle
Yes, I think there is. It's a bit too hagiographic, as we said. um it's Yeah, it it treats these people like they are demigods, people like Belushi and that. They clearly aren't really. But yeah, so that that's what I found most, um

00:51:39.71
alexei sayle
you know, I didn't like that about the movie or anything.

00:51:40.96
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:51:42.03
alexei sayle
But it's interesting, yeah.

00:51:42.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Lex, I'm sorry, um i need to run to the loo quickly. I've got a sudden cramp.

00:51:45.30
alexei sayle
yeah, sure. All right.

00:51:46.67
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I'll be right back.

00:51:50.34
alexei sayle
Wilf, shut

00:54:11.19
alexei sayle
Hello.

00:54:13.96
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Apologies.

00:54:15.60
alexei sayle
Anyway, that, yes, that's a very, that's a very, um that's a very perceptive review from Mark.

00:54:23.46
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Thanks, Mark. Yeah, what is, and but he says with the exception of Chevy Chase, ah because I guess no one was close with Chevy Chase.

00:54:24.38
alexei sayle
Yes.

00:54:30.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
How is he portrayed in the film?

00:54:33.37
alexei sayle
Kind of a bit of a dick, really, but yeah, but not, you know, mean, the,

00:54:36.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I'd imagine so, yeah.

00:54:41.94
alexei sayle
the I mean, it's a

00:54:45.95
alexei sayle
I think that the actor playing him is a bit too handsome, really. mean, that's one of the things about...

00:54:51.62
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:54:51.80
alexei sayle
Well, interest is an interesting thing. You know, actors are always, as opposed to comics, really, are always kind of good-looking in some way, you know, even very striking-looking.

00:55:03.81
alexei sayle
And I remember going to the opera once and and seeing, like, a big opera, like... Don Giovanni, and realising all the people on the stage, they were actually like really ordinary looking.

00:55:14.34
alexei sayle
They looked like they'd just taken a random bus and put them on the stage.

00:55:15.34
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah

00:55:22.16
alexei sayle
Because the reason that they'd been chosen was because they could sing, not because of their appearance, and therefore they were random... It was a kind of um ah real kind of profound moment for me when I realised that. Whereas actors...

00:55:36.12
alexei sayle
you know, are always striking, really. I mean, comics are as well, but in a different, slightly different way, really. So, i mean, a few um a few of the people in the that movie are too conventionally handsome, really, compared to the people that they're playing, who were kind of uglier, but more in wrestling.

00:55:54.60
alexei sayle
I mean, that's just a fact of

00:55:55.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I think that started in the 80s, really, with the kind of rise of the action star and... um more less censorship happening late 70s and 80s when things were allowed to become more overtly sexy and you'd have lots of, and then also you'd have lots of like glory shots, closeups of glistening bodies, handsome faces, beautiful faces.

00:56:18.63
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:56:21.98
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And ah I think ah also lined up with the quality of the technology, being able to portray these faces. you know gloomy, black and white, gritty film cameras, you could get away with having...

00:56:32.86
alexei sayle
Right.

00:56:36.70
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What's his name? mo ah

00:56:40.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Bogart, Humphrey Bogart was like...

00:56:41.64
alexei sayle
Yes, specter, yeah.

00:56:42.98
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
he Of course, people fancied him because he was in films. People fancied him and loved him because he was charming and and and was in Hollywood films, not because his striking good looks and all that, you know?

00:56:48.10
alexei sayle
Right.

00:56:55.51
alexei sayle
No.

00:56:56.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah So when the technology went, got improved, censorship went down so things could be sexier and ah you'd have more closeups that were really high quality.

00:57:06.18
alexei sayle
Right.

00:57:06.42
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I think people started to notice how important it was that your actors should look like models.

00:57:11.53
alexei sayle
Right.

00:57:11.94
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But it does create a bit of a separation.

00:57:14.19
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:57:15.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
We talked about that film, didn't we? That was a hit man on Netflix. Did we talk about that film?

00:57:24.42
alexei sayle
What did we say about this?

00:57:24.80
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Or was that with someone else? Because this is it's ah it's like a semi true story about a guy who goes undercover as a hit man.

00:57:34.90
alexei sayle
Oh, yeah, yeah. No, certainly I saw it. Yeah, it was interesting.

00:57:37.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
He was far too handsome to play that character.

00:57:39.02
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah.

00:57:39.55
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
He's meant to be like this schlubby nerd guy, but he was a fucking super hot, built, strapped Adonis shit brick house, fucking handsome white guy um who was very good in the film.

00:57:39.86
alexei sayle
yeah Yeah.

00:57:45.00
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was. Yeah.

00:57:52.55
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah

00:57:52.58
alexei sayle
Yeah. Right.

00:57:53.19
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Luckily, he was really funny. And, and you know, obviously I think that film was his baby, though.

00:57:55.50
alexei sayle
yeah

00:57:57.21
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's why he cast himself as that character.

00:57:58.20
alexei sayle
right

00:58:00.68
alexei sayle
Right. But yes, that's very true. it's ah and it's just it's so it's ah i mean I mean, normally you don't really notice it, but because the people in Saturday Night were playing other people, real people, you notice the kind of disjunct between their appearances, really.

00:58:17.96
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Chevy Chase was a six-sex symbol.

00:58:18.07
alexei sayle
i say i did.

00:58:20.26
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Women loved Chevy Chase in his heyday.

00:58:21.83
alexei sayle
Yeah, but it was a lot odder looking than the guy who plays him.

00:58:24.73
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Because he was 70s handsome.

00:58:27.25
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:58:28.73
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But he and carried it on. Did you ever meet Chevy Chase? i'm really I've been secretly hoping you have a Chevy Chase story because they're all absolutely disastrous and amazing stories.

00:58:38.48
alexei sayle
Now you mention it, I don't know.

00:58:38.73
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Fuck.

00:58:40.04
alexei sayle
I never met him. I don't think I met any of those people, really.

00:58:44.86
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Are you a fan of Saturday Night Live?

00:58:46.67
alexei sayle
I never watch it. I never watched it. I mean, it used to be that you couldn't watch it unless you got videotaped sent over from the States or something. and then

00:58:54.07
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:58:56.37
alexei sayle
um So I never really got into it. yeah I mean, I'm aware of what it is, and obviously... um um I probably know about it more through 30 Rock, really.

00:59:11.44
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

00:59:14.26
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Ah, that's a good comparison because that's also basically about the making of Saturday Night Live, isn't it? 30 Rock.

00:59:18.73
alexei sayle
Yes, it is. Yeah.

00:59:20.55
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And by the sounds of it, I think they probably pull it off a lot better.

00:59:25.31
alexei sayle
Well, it's a comedy, you know, which is not direct. it's ah obviously It's obviously inspired by Tina Fey's experience as being head writer on 30 Rock. um But, ah yeah, it's... um It's a brilliant series. I mean, Dirty Rock is just amazing. It's a fantastic.

00:59:44.99
alexei sayle
But maybe because it's it's actually out now, comedy, it's also the performers there are much more human looking, really.

00:59:53.92
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
One last question about this movie.

00:59:55.48
alexei sayle
Yeah.

00:59:55.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You have said that the reason why you were interested in this film to begin with is because it shows, it portrays an experience that you have had, which is preparing for a live, preparing and performing a live TV show, a national live TV show.

01:00:11.57
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:00:13.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But I don't think we've got into the weeds of what that was like for you. And also whether this film was a good portrayal of that energy, that feeling. that nervousness.

01:00:24.23
alexei sayle
It kind of is in a way, really. i mean, just that thing about just go. i mean, it's like, you know, thinking about sandwich bar in much smaller way, obviously thinking that at 6.30, suddenly this thing goes that I've done goes into 1.2 million homes, you know, it's.

01:00:40.92
alexei sayle
um And so it was that it was a mean live I mean, we talked a bit about live television because we talked about the Big Breakfast and stuff, haven't we?

01:00:50.93
alexei sayle
I mean, it's it is ah it is or it was a very different thing, really.

01:00:51.32
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

01:00:55.79
alexei sayle
I mean, a very thrilling thing to do. We're reaching our limits, aren't we, really? I mean, I did i did this... um show called OTT which was there'd been a children's show called Tiz Was which had featured Lenny Henry Chris Tarrant, Bob Carroll Jesus John Gorman and then they decided to make a an adult version which went out live on ITV at like 10 or 11 on Saturday night I think was it I don't know Friday night Saturday night i remember and I I was a part of that really and it was um

01:01:09.09
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yep.

01:01:36.19
alexei sayle
it was a mixed bag I mean mean the thing about um the thing that um about like Saturday night and Saturday night live cruise that by and large, they share you know, they share an ideology. They're the same people, you know, with the same general goals. Whereas the people on OTT, there was me that had a particular view of the world. And then there was everybody else who did a very, very, very different view of the world. So that, that, that was a weird, you know, that was a very,

01:02:07.17
alexei sayle
a weird experience to to to do that because of that, really. um I don't know whether...

01:02:11.48
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
In what way was it weird?

01:02:13.11
alexei sayle
Well, just, I mean, we didn't get on, really. You know, but I thought what they were doing was terrible. So I'm in the middle of this show, which is getting a lot hype. And, yeah, it was... A lot of it was sexist. and so You know, so I'm in the middle of this...

01:02:30.16
alexei sayle
you know this kind of show that is very much against my values and i'm doing it because i want to be on the telly so that's et cetera and i did you know also did you know some of my i chose some my weird you know weirdest material to do you know prime time on a saturday night now i'm doing stuff about albania you know is uh

01:02:49.07
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah. Is that the one when you and you said everyone like had spunked on their seats or something? Was that when you made that joke?

01:02:53.89
alexei sayle
Yeah, and that that that that got mentioned. Taryn said afterwards, thanks, Lex, I'm in enough trouble as it is. And that remark got mentioned on the annual review, like when Ofcom or whoever reviewed ITV that year.

01:03:07.36
alexei sayle
My remark was mentioned in the the negative column. um Yeah, it was... ah but it it did But it did, on the other hand, it did... it It felt familiar to me in a way, that sensation of going live.

01:03:24.17
alexei sayle
with a comedy show on national TV did. Yeah. it It brought a lot of it back to me really. Uh, yeah, it was, it was interesting from that point of view. And it's, I mean, it's an experience that very few people have had really to be, to go live on a national, you know, a one hour comedy show, given that obviously setting that live was a lot better than OTT, but, uh,

01:03:51.57
alexei sayle
you know Yeah, it was it was an and it was an interesting for me to watch it just on that basis, really.

01:04:00.26
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I was on live national telly once.

01:04:03.76
alexei sayle
Were you?

01:04:03.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I was dressed as a giant red nose on the one show.

01:04:07.84
alexei sayle
On Comic Relief, for the one show.

01:04:10.42
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And I was bouncing around in the background while

01:04:13.27
alexei sayle
That was just when you were a trainee, whatever the hell you was you were a trainee.

01:04:17.26
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
while they did a naked sprint across White City um Television Center.

01:04:27.88
alexei sayle
Who did?

01:04:28.28
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They had like a hundred streakers. It was a mass streak for Red Nose Day.

01:04:30.24
alexei sayle
Oh, right, right, right.

01:04:33.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and I was ah giant red nose. They just stuck me in this costume. and

01:04:38.07
alexei sayle
All right.

01:04:38.40
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So when I was a runner, yeah.

01:04:40.69
alexei sayle
Yes, well, funny you come back to Molly.

01:04:40.69
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and So I've have had that feeling too, you know, I can really relate. Yeah, go on, Moncey.

01:04:45.11
alexei sayle
No, but...

01:04:48.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's, you know exhilarating.

01:04:48.72
alexei sayle
but So, yeah, but the the big hit that night was OTT. It was this group called, what are they called? Naked something or other. that Malcolm Hardy it was. and ah And ah they did a balloon dance, but naked, you know, but skillfully popped the balloons.

01:05:04.80
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, and they pop balloons.

01:05:08.06
alexei sayle
I think maybe they would then reveal themselves. I mean, you know, ran out balloons. But that was the bit that Molly said she liked. LAUGHTER

01:05:17.08
alexei sayle
when I rang her the next morning for my usual debrief. ah

01:05:25.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I've won... Okay, that's been Film Club. Thank you, fucking Mark, for your contribution. there you really You really saved the segment.

01:05:31.62
alexei sayle
Yes, it's right you should be writing for The Guardian or something, Mark, or somewhere.

01:05:34.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah He does write about film for a living.

01:05:35.13
alexei sayle
Oh, he does, right, yeah.

01:05:37.30
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I'd love to learn a bit more about that, Mark.

01:05:37.75
alexei sayle
Sounded like it, yeah, yeah.

01:05:38.82
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Let me know. um i love...

01:05:40.22
alexei sayle
Very perceptive review.

01:05:42.65
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um I studied a lot of film studies in my time and my education. I'd love to talk to you about that, Mark. um Just...

01:05:54.05
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
but You remember last week we were talking about the privatization of everything and including trains.

01:06:00.39
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:06:01.09
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Anthony says in the Patreon chat room. Support the show. Go to patreon.com forward slash AlexiSalePodcast. That's patreon.com forward slash what, Alexi?

01:06:13.03
alexei sayle
Patreon forward slash what? Patreon.

01:06:15.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Exactly. And you can join the chat room and join in with everyone else there and this ah and support this show.

01:06:16.07
alexei sayle
Lexisome.

01:06:23.03
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Anthony says, ah regarding the reduction of train accidents since privatization. Remember that, Lex?

01:06:27.99
alexei sayle
Yes. Yes.

01:06:29.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I think this was largely down to the phasing out of slam door trains.

01:06:34.23
alexei sayle
ah

01:06:34.78
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It was no longer possible for Vivian to put his head out the window.

01:06:38.45
alexei sayle
No.

01:06:39.30
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
the introduction of computers to manage signaling, reduce the numbers, the number of trains ramming into each other, such as the horrific.

01:06:42.29
alexei sayle
That very much, yeah.

01:06:46.01
alexei sayle
Yeah. It's just surprising that Germany, I think, I mean, again, has a terrible record, relatively speaking, has a terrible record of rail safety. ah Even before, i mean, I know they've they've got some privatization nonsense now, but anyway.

01:07:00.96
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

01:07:01.11
alexei sayle
But yeah, maybe just slam doors and computerized signaling and I can't see how it.

01:07:01.90
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah

01:07:06.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, he he tells the story about a train crash in Pearlie where a fast train went, crashed into a slow one and they went tumbling. um Toppled down the embankment in Pearlie.

01:07:19.44
alexei sayle
Hmm.

01:07:19.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Okay, ah one more thing. Did he manage to... I've had a ah ah whiplash of ethics or whatever you want to call it, but with this Oscars...

01:07:36.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Palestinian ah Israeli co-production no other land is the name of the film no other land Michael on the patron chat room let us know that it will be on channel 4 on Tuesday the 4th of March oh that was two days ago okay they screened it on channel 4 maybe it's on demand now

01:07:53.89
alexei sayle
ah always up to Always up to the minute. Yeah.

01:07:58.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um But so the the Oscars was last Sunday. Monday, there were some clips I watched. I wanted to see Conan O'Brien's opening monologue, which I thought was really funny.

01:08:09.71
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And then I just saw the news of this Palestinian film and watched the speech.

01:08:12.72
alexei sayle
Mm hmm.

01:08:13.57
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Did you see that? Did you finally get around to watching the acceptance speech?

01:08:15.30
alexei sayle
Yes. Mm

01:08:17.97
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And at first, obviously, I was incredibly moved and happy to see Palestine getting this huge platform.

01:08:23.58
alexei sayle
hmm. Mm

01:08:24.14
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And then, you know, then to see that this Israeli guy, even though I kind of was irked that he pushed the Palestinian aside to make sure he got some stage time as well.

01:08:34.21
alexei sayle
hmm. Yeah.

01:08:36.56
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah He said some really nice things about Palestine as well as some, as well as repeating the media line that I think they have to say, you know, you know, He said horrific o October 7th, free the hostages.

01:08:47.86
alexei sayle
A record of every few events of actors, yeah.

01:08:49.23
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I'm like um like, okay, you have to say that. But then he's also said the sentiment, which I've always repeated from the beginning, the only future is one where all Palestinians are free and equal.

01:08:51.89
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah.

01:08:59.43
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And I was like, fuck me.

01:08:59.57
alexei sayle
Yes.

01:09:00.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's on the Oscars stage being said out loud and getting a massive round of applause. I'm like, wow, incredible.

01:09:06.06
alexei sayle
Mm-hmm.

01:09:07.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Then I find out a couple days later, I'm a naive twat for thinking that was a good thing that happened at all. And he's just a liberal Zionist. And, you know, by by him having that platform is actually just normalizing the occupation and the colonization.

01:09:21.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And there have been lots of mixed.

01:09:26.44
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Feedback about that moment.

01:09:29.27
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:09:30.35
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And.

01:09:31.72
alexei sayle
Everybody

01:09:31.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
on the one hand, it's like, fucking hell, be grateful for what we're getting. This is an unprecedented thing.

01:09:35.14
alexei sayle
Hmm.

01:09:37.43
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And to see all those people on their feet clapping for it, but then also it all got tainted.

01:09:39.76
alexei sayle
Hmm.

01:09:42.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Are they clapping just because there's an Israeli there with him? Why does the Palestinian need to have an Israeli babysitter there to say this is okay? Um, So I wanted to get your thoughts on that because I'm still, ah you know, I've become more pragmatic about it and I'm not just naive about it anymore, but.

01:10:01.09
alexei sayle
oh Well, these are all good points, and I wouldn't necessarily, i think, I mean, you know, I wouldn't put myself up as an expert on this or really tell anybody about how to think or how to behave, you know, I think.

01:10:14.43
alexei sayle
um I mean, it is contradicting. Obviously, the idea of a liberal Zionist is a bit like, you know, saying a liberal, filling, you know, let's not say Nazi for a change, let's say liberal.

01:10:25.10
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's like Shell having a green energy... ah

01:10:27.96
alexei sayle
Yeah, or a liberal liberal KKK or something.

01:10:29.06
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah

01:10:31.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yes

01:10:32.41
alexei sayle
It's ah explicitly racist ideology, which... But, I mean, you kind of take what you can get, i think, in a way. You know, i mean, it's...

01:10:42.31
alexei sayle
ah i like You know, I mean, everybody's point of view is valid about that, really. I would just personally just kind of grateful for... the exposure and the so the subject matter being raised at all.

01:10:56.87
alexei sayle
When there is such, there's so so many efforts to silence anything about Palestine, you know, which is the great moral catastrophe of our age, you know, that people are actively, you know, the shit about the Gaza documentary on BBC and all that stuff.

01:11:11.72
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah

01:11:14.48
alexei sayle
I just, I kind of take, you know, Kind of take what you can get, really. But, yeah, it's true.

01:11:21.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's true. um i was Exactly. it's amazing that It's amazing that the issue was addressed at all at the Oscars.

01:11:23.42
alexei sayle
It's also on fame.

01:11:27.53
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah, that would be my point of view, I think. But, yeah, what you you know those's all those negative points are what you say are also

01:11:39.74
alexei sayle
are are you gonna

01:11:40.40
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You know, before this this, if you'd asked me two years ago,

01:11:47.31
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah i had the line that, you know, yeah unfortunately, there we are at a time now where there are Israelis who have been born in Israel and it is their home.

01:12:03.39
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And to, like...

01:12:03.46
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:12:07.27
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And you have to be honest about the history and why they're there and their their ancestry and all that. You have to be honest about that.

01:12:12.52
alexei sayle
Mm hmm.

01:12:12.81
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
they They are colonizers. But you were born there and you know nothing else than having been born there.

01:12:18.53
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:12:19.35
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So the only so solution moving forward is one state, equal rights. every Everyone have their say. every Everyone have their place.

01:12:27.52
alexei sayle
I think so. Yes, yes.

01:12:28.47
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

01:12:30.51
alexei sayle
I would agree with that. I would say, I mean, the response you know most most so white South Africans that were, you know, enacting apartheid were also born in South Africa.

01:12:40.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Exactly.

01:12:40.19
alexei sayle
so the So fucking what?

01:12:43.22
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So fucking what? Sure. But also, could you live with yourself kicking someone out of their home? It's like you' you're you're angry with them for kicking you out of your home. So give us back our rights. Let us have the right to return.

01:12:55.27
alexei sayle
Yes. Yes.

01:12:55.93
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and we you And we will graciously let you stay here because you were born here and this is your fucking home as well.

01:13:02.33
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:02.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Fine. We all eat hummus. Let's not eat pork together. Let's all just be fucking mates. Yeah.

01:13:08.23
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:13:09.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Which would be a beautiful utopia.

01:13:12.02
alexei sayle
Well, I'd settle for that, yeah. ah Well, yes, it would be a beautiful film.

01:13:14.89
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But now how and how much harder is it to say that now? How unforgivable are the fucking deeds that we've seen, you know?

01:13:24.12
alexei sayle
Ah, yeah. they ah Yes. Yes.

01:13:27.14
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And it will take basically sainthood for that to become the reality again from the Palestinians to to be able to just forgive and move on for the sake of their children and their grandchildren.

01:13:36.23
alexei sayle
To forgive that, yeah, yeah.

01:13:41.08
alexei sayle
Yes.

01:13:41.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They might be bitter and never forgive their neighbors ever again, but for the sake of their fucking offspring, just fucking move forward and build something new together.

01:13:48.92
alexei sayle
Yes.

01:13:51.66
alexei sayle
Yes, well, one would like to see that opportunity, but that's not even a...

01:13:52.90
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Um,

01:13:57.68
alexei sayle
It doesn't seem a long way off, really, doesn't it?

01:14:00.52
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's the only only solution.

01:14:02.16
alexei sayle
I agree, yes, a two-state solution is idiotic, you know, and impossible.

01:14:04.93
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes, that will result in in war forever. Free Palestine forever. Always.

01:14:11.47
alexei sayle
Indeed. All

01:14:13.24
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
We haven't said that those two words enough on this show. Free fucking Palestine.

01:14:16.09
alexei sayle
right, free Palestine, from the river to the sea.

01:14:20.38
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
know

01:14:20.55
alexei sayle
um

01:14:20.93
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Sorry, thanks for letting rant off then.

01:14:21.06
alexei sayle
Well, let's we haven't really touched much, of which is fine. i mean, which is good. we haven't touched what We haven't touched on world politics. I could do a much longer dissertation on Keen Eddy, really, which...

01:14:35.08
alexei sayle
which you know, I could say a lot more interesting things about it. It was a really extraordinary experience. um So, yeah, we could do it. Maybe everybody should watch Keen Eddie.

01:14:45.23
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
that That's to come.

01:14:49.40
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's to come.

01:14:49.51
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:14:50.14
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
i'll I'll find out where we can watch it i I'll get some clips and post it on the Instagram.

01:14:51.79
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. yeah

01:14:55.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um And ah maybe maybe you could talk me through um what's happening in Ukraine.

01:15:06.06
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You can talk us through that next week.

01:15:07.94
alexei sayle
and Okay.

01:15:09.27
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And I want you to think, start from now thinking about next month's film club.

01:15:10.30
alexei sayle
Yeah, because like I know. Yeah.

01:15:15.81
alexei sayle
Yeah, I feel like maybe some suggestions because I feel like if ah far forced everybody to spend 349 and also watch a kind of quite ordinary film in many ways, I'm sorry.

01:15:16.44
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Okay? Because we don't want to repeat of what...

01:15:29.82
alexei sayle
Forgive me.

01:15:31.72
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Or just pick one that's actually good. I liked Quick Change. I disagree with you. I thought it was great. But it was my first time watching it.

01:15:37.35
alexei sayle
Oh, okay.

01:15:38.43
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No, great is a strong word.

01:15:39.14
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:15:40.38
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But I didn't dislike it.

01:15:41.24
alexei sayle
It's all right. Yeah. Yeah.

01:15:42.55
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I didn't dislike it.

01:15:43.65
alexei sayle
No.

01:15:44.65
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Um...

01:15:45.03
alexei sayle
It was, well, you know, one of the nice things, all the plot points were tied up. You know, it didn't leave any, know, so much writing, particularly in television, but also in ah movies has just, you know, sets up all these interesting things.

01:16:00.67
alexei sayle
plot points and then doesn't ah pay them off, you know, and everything was tied up very neatly, you know, with the kind of, you know, the, the mafia guy at the end and all that, which was, you know, I mean, you should commend that.

01:16:03.44
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah And everyone got what wanted.

01:16:12.59
alexei sayle
That's good writing, you know, and so ah a rarer and rarer.

01:16:17.27
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
The police chief got his big big case before retirement and they got their money and they flew off to Fiji.

01:16:19.07
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:16:22.00
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:16:24.41
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:16:26.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Randy Quaid lost his mind, didn't he?

01:16:28.41
alexei sayle
I think he has done, yes.

01:16:29.85
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.

01:16:30.12
alexei sayle
And if anybody has any input on that, I be ah think he's gone.

01:16:32.14
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Poor bastard.

01:16:35.64
alexei sayle
Yes.

01:16:35.89
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah ran away to Canada and there's like a conspiracy system but a great performer has some and classic film roles

01:16:43.10
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's also, in of course, in one of my favourites, was one of my favourites, which again, probably I wouldn't enjoy as much, which was Animal Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.

01:16:52.43
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
with Chevy Chase yeah Fletch himself I love Fletch

01:16:53.96
alexei sayle
With Chevy Chase to bring everything beautifully. Talk about good writing. This is good podcasting because everything comes back around.

01:17:06.19
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah. There's that Fletch remake or reimagining with Jon Hamm.

01:17:10.00
alexei sayle
Yeah, didn't we? I watched a bit that. Yeah.

01:17:12.52
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You didn't like it? Oh, I really liked it.

01:17:14.00
alexei sayle
Not much, no. Did you?

01:17:15.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I was hoping that could be our next film club.

01:17:16.41
alexei sayle
All right, we'll see.

01:17:17.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
right. Fuck that.

01:17:19.16
alexei sayle
and Well, anybody's, you know.

01:17:19.15
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Fuck me. Fuck you. Fuck everybody. Love you all.

01:17:23.63
alexei sayle
Bye-bye.

01:17:23.64
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Let's get out here.

01:17:24.57
alexei sayle
Yeah, bye-bye. Bye-bye.