00:00:00.45 alexei sayle Hi everybody, welcome to um episode 75 of the Alexi Sale podcast. i Somebody pointed out on YouTube that I said 65 in Spanish rather than 75.

00:00:13.12 alexei sayle Yeah, it's because I... 64, yeah.

00:00:17.58 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal 64. Yeah. yeah

00:00:20.32 alexei sayle ah secent rather than I said, whatever I said. Anyway, but it's because I was, at my ah me and Nigel's ah Celebrity e Antiques Road Trip went out last night.

00:00:33.61 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Fuck! I forgot to watch it!

00:00:34.80 alexei sayle Oh, well, you can watch your surveiller.

00:00:35.76 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah I was busy watching Keen fucking Eddie!

00:00:40.30 alexei sayle Oh, you idiot.

00:00:40.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Shit! Why didn't I watch Antiques Roadship?

00:00:43.79 alexei sayle Oh, well, it's it's on catch-up, obviously.

00:00:44.08 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Roadship!

00:00:47.86 alexei sayle But I lie there saying I can, I tell the...

00:00:48.39 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah

00:00:51.80 alexei sayle I tell Tash, my antiques expert, I'm fluent in Spanish, which is a lie.

00:00:55.40 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, do you? but why Why did that come up?

00:00:59.25 alexei sayle ah Just because I was saying which that i I can't haggle unless I pretend to be French.

00:01:06.57 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal French, okay.

00:01:07.27 alexei sayle Yeah, so I go, how much do you want? yeah I can't do it in English, but I say, how much do you want for this? I cannot possibly pay that for this. um And um ah she said, do you speak French? I said, no, but I speak Spanish. And Linda went, oh, you liar.

00:01:24.87 alexei sayle um

00:01:26.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You're just lying to her, you're lying to the whole viewing public.

00:01:26.70 alexei sayle Well, it's all right. It's all right. Yeah, I'm lying to everybody who's watching Celebrity Antiques Road Trip. I'm lying to people who believe in me. That's perhaps an object lesson. Don't believe him don't believe in any any anybody.

00:01:42.79 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm. Hmm.

00:01:43.26 alexei sayle but Well, believe in me more than anybody else, but don't believe in me either, really.

00:01:47.27 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm.

00:01:48.18 alexei sayle it's all It's all a lie. Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters. Girl, by the way, who's looking for a new fool? Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters. Et cetera.

00:02:00.85 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Did you see that film?

00:02:00.87 alexei sayle ah Now I haven't seen it yet. Timothy Shyamalam, Shyamalay.

00:02:05.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Bob Dylan film. Shamalamalim Shami.

00:02:08.67 alexei sayle Yeah. No, I'm looking forward to seeing it, actually. I watched the documentary.

00:02:11.27 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ummi

00:02:13.39 alexei sayle I've seen it before, actually, see on BBC Two. I think it was on BBC Two. It was an arena about Bob Dylan. I think it's two-part, quite lengthy. They had... um

00:02:26.81 alexei sayle Allen Ginsberg was one of my favourite poets, one my favourite poems of all time, his Howell, his poem. um and But he was so such an attractive character, I think.

00:02:40.34 alexei sayle They also have footage, of course, of the ah the Manchester Free Trade gig where he went electric and people shouted out Judas at him.

00:02:49.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal yeah

00:02:52.09 alexei sayle I was i trying to think of a joke where I was like going down and, you watched Jesus being crucified and shouted out Bob Dylan at him. don't know if that's too abstruse a joke, really.

00:03:05.14 alexei sayle ah But...

00:03:05.49 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's not bad.

00:03:05.50 alexei sayle ah

00:03:06.25 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Maybe if it was like an electric crucifix.

00:03:10.16 alexei sayle Yeah, it starts getting complicated, doesn't it?

00:03:12.52 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:03:12.61 alexei sayle um

00:03:12.73 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Do

00:03:13.43 alexei sayle But ah it's ah it's I've seen it a couple of times this year. It's, I think, a really interesting documentary.

00:03:19.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal you know who who made it?

00:03:21.33 alexei sayle But it was Arena, so it was the um the Arena team.

00:03:23.39 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal The team. Well, there must have been a ah someone at the helm.

00:03:27.77 alexei sayle Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:29.67 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That's interesting. I'm going to check that out.

00:03:31.35 alexei sayle Yeah, no, it's a really, I really enjoyed it. But yes, I'm looking forward to seeing the movie.

00:03:40.40 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um Parts Unknown. No, A complete unknown.

00:03:43.41 alexei sayle I can never remember, I have to say the complete unknown. Ricky Roden's doing.

00:03:52.95 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Like Dylan when I'm stunned.

00:03:57.86 alexei sayle yeah

00:03:57.90 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Bob Dylan, Doc. Okay, Parts Unknown.

00:03:59.22 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:04:00.00 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That was Chef Boyardee. No.

00:04:05.44 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Who's that chef who who who sadly killed himself? ah

00:04:09.01 alexei sayle Anthony Bourdain.

00:04:10.16 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Bourdain, not Chef Boyati. Amazing series. Have you seen that?

00:04:14.62 alexei sayle No, no, no.

00:04:15.50 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Anthony Bourdain, Parts Unknown. Yeah, he just goes to really obscure parts of the world.

00:04:23.64 alexei sayle Right.

00:04:23.79 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Like countries we know, but like parts of those countries that are a bit more obscure.

00:04:26.69 alexei sayle Right.

00:04:27.51 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And he even has two episodes in l LA, but he visits scenes in l LA that are... very niche, like little Korea, you know, and he just he just dives deep into the food culture of that place.

00:04:32.95 alexei sayle right

00:04:35.69 alexei sayle Right.

00:04:40.48 alexei sayle Sounds interesting.

00:04:40.72 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And then he also does one in, he does an episode in in Israel, Palestine.

00:04:45.72 alexei sayle Right. And he was he was one of ours.

00:04:46.31 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And people criticized him for being nice, you know, for being a human being and going, this is fucked up. Let's go do some Palestinians. And he's like, you know,

00:04:54.54 alexei sayle the

00:04:55.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um and

00:04:58.37 alexei sayle I'm sorry. ah Anyway, yes, so and anybody who can should watch, who didn't watch it last night, should watch Celebrity Antiques Road Trip with me and Nigel Plain.

00:05:00.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal it's lovely. like

00:05:07.13 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh yeah, celebrity.

00:05:11.84 alexei sayle Now, thought we might, you know, kind of get a kind of Paul Whitehouse and Bob Mortimer vibe going, you know, because it's obviously... a way for old people to make money on TV.

00:05:23.13 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:05:23.29 alexei sayle But I don't think, I'm not sure that there's, mean, I've always seen Nigel as a very good friend of mine, but I don't know whether there's any magic between us on screen, really.

00:05:31.91 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Or did the editing do you harm? Do you think they justice you guys with the edit?

00:05:36.19 alexei sayle i No, no, they captured, they captured our interaction quite well, really. I mean, most of the time we're not together, but I don't know whether there's that, you know, there's ah there's a difference between being friends and,

00:05:50.89 alexei sayle in making TV or radio or podcast magic.

00:05:54.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm.

00:05:55.21 alexei sayle ah So I don't know, really. um Anyway, that and Sandwich Bar. Obviously, you can download it. It was episode two went out. It's gone out this week, and people are getting very excited. about It seems to be getting more attention.

00:06:10.66 alexei sayle I recommend anybody to watch that. Listen to it on BBC Sounds. I feel... Vindicated with my choices.

00:06:22.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal As you should, it's brilliant. It's brilliant.

00:06:24.86 alexei sayle Yes, it is, really. I agree. and

00:06:28.25 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um

00:06:29.20 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:06:29.38 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And so much outreach, are all all the messages I've been getting. um Tell Alexei we love Sandwich Bar.

00:06:36.49 alexei sayle Yeah, well, it is, you know, so I put a lot in, but, you know, hopefully the listener gets a lot out.

00:06:37.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal it

00:06:41.87 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Fuck, I need my phone.

00:06:46.94 alexei sayle It's for me. It's for me. It's for me. Me, me, me. me, me.

00:06:52.07 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal yeah

00:06:52.11 alexei sayle Me, me, Me, me, me. It is. Me, me, me, me, me.

00:06:57.28 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, you can tell your heart and soul's in that thing, man.

00:06:57.65 alexei sayle me me me

00:07:00.52 alexei sayle it is mini mini mini mean

00:07:04.42 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But yeah, Sufjan, Leila, all the Patreon people, all just over the moon to have it on. The Beeb. My friend Alexi, my friend Alexi, my friend Kit is just in shock that the BBC allows it to go out.

00:07:21.36 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Like he he said he said to me yesterday, actually, said he was...

00:07:21.49 alexei sayle Yes.

00:07:28.64 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal it was really surreal for him to hear such harsh criticism of Keir Starmer being said on the BBC or anywhere mainstream for that matter. um He says, you know, other you know the you do hear like, oh yeah, he's a bit shit, but to just be so harsh and and truthful and out and upfront about what the actual problem with Keir Starmer is.

00:07:45.73 alexei sayle Yes.

00:07:50.33 alexei sayle yeah

00:07:51.27 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And I was like, yeah, well, maybe why haven't the BBC ah cat ah censored you yet? But maybe you you are their balance, you know, because they have to be just, they need to justify their...

00:08:04.37 alexei sayle I think there's a bit of that, yeah. I don't know i haven't i don't know which episodes have gone out in which order, actually. I don't know whether the one, the Israel one, the Israelish one, has gone out yet.

00:08:14.70 alexei sayle But it's obviously on sounds. Let's see if there's any pushback. Yeah, I mean, they i mean I know. mo I mean, you know, I have no complaints about Radio 4, the Mohit, the commissioner, has been fantastically supportive and rich at BBC Studios.

00:08:30.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and Of course.

00:08:33.33 alexei sayle I mean, everybody has been great, really. and I wonder whether, will see, wonder whether, you know, when they tried to get my Desert Island Disc Band in 2021, whether they ah were surprised by the level of support for me, really, and they've decided to back off.

00:08:56.07 alexei sayle The Israel lobby. oh they may, you know, they're bad in their time. I don't know. But, ah yeah, no, it's, you know, it's, it's it's just I mean, in a sense, it's, there should be more stuff like that. It's, you know, I mean, I like it, obviously, that I'm the only one doing it, being that frank and that honest.

00:09:13.69 alexei sayle But it would be nice if some other people were doing it as well, you know.

00:09:19.78 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal hundred

00:09:21.80 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah.

00:09:22.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Let's see, but also there's going to be huge backlash from the Josh Widdicombe camp.

00:09:29.85 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I think his team of lawyers and supporters have already started penning a letter, an open letter to the BBC to have your show axed.

00:09:32.45 alexei sayle That's, ah

00:09:40.40 alexei sayle yeah, well, it it makes it clear, I think, which is that it's it's just me being horrible.

00:09:44.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It was... Yeah.

00:09:46.17 alexei sayle there's no

00:09:46.56 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:09:47.03 alexei sayle There's no rhyme nor reason to it, really. it's It's, you know, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:50.00 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That's what's so funny about it. You have no reason to hate that guy. He's perfectly lovely guy.

00:09:55.41 alexei sayle I'm sure it's just me being horrible.

00:09:57.31 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal There was our other twat who used to be the ah subject of your ire, and it was much more... I suppose you've rinsed it out, but what the fuck is his name? posh guy Whitehall.

00:10:06.93 alexei sayle Oh, yeah, Jack White.

00:10:07.06 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Jack Whitehall.

00:10:07.93 alexei sayle Yeah, i didn't want to do that again, really, just because, yeah, yeah.

00:10:09.60 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You've done that, haven't you? um Guys, we've also got live shows booked in, man. Live Alexis Sale podcasts.

00:10:13.93 alexei sayle Yes, need to, yeah, yeah.

00:10:16.38 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal We're doing the Alexis L podcast live three nights at the Museum of Comedy in Central London on the 24th of April, 30th of April, 11th of May.

00:10:28.61 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um We've got some other shows in the pipeline. Nothing confirmed, but we want to hit up Liverpool for a couple of shows and show them on sea. ah Funnily enough, I think I'm quite excited to do that one down in Brighton.

00:10:40.63 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:10:41.59 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I used to live down Brighton as well, so...

00:10:43.01 alexei sayle Did you?

00:10:43.50 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But for now, confirmed three nights at the Museum of Comedy. Go to museumofcomedy.com

00:10:49.27 alexei sayle Yeah, come on, people. Yeah.

00:10:50.90 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and...

00:10:51.08 alexei sayle See us live. We'll have to, because it's a live podcast, we'll have to you have to say different things every night as well.

00:10:57.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, that's that's kind of the idea, yeah.

00:10:58.64 alexei sayle I know it's bit of a worry. Yeah.

00:11:01.28 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And I think there'll be, you know, hopefully a lot of audience interaction. We want people to come with with interesting and fun questions for you.

00:11:05.92 alexei sayle Yes.

00:11:09.08 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And it doesn't always have to be about your career. can be about anything, literally anything. It can help you with your problems.

00:11:14.32 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:11:17.92 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I think we can do a kind of an agony aunt style thing.

00:11:20.28 alexei sayle Absolutely.

00:11:20.87 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal If you have personal problems in your life,

00:11:22.63 alexei sayle Linda's very good about getting out stains.

00:11:25.66 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal There you go. And Linda will be there, hopefully, in the background shouting out answers.

00:11:27.64 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:11:29.44 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I've got little gifts to give to people who ask questions in the audience.

00:11:34.31 alexei sayle Oh, well, hell, what the?

00:11:35.12 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Very exclusive little gifts.

00:11:36.25 alexei sayle You couldn't, you know, you couldn't. You couldn't, you know, yeah there's no, this is the, correct this is ah yeah, this is the live event of the year, isn't it, really?

00:11:40.73 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, i know, man. I know. Catch your breath. Take a second. Catch your breath. It's all right.

00:11:47.56 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:11:48.38 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And the museum kindly are going to record it all for us.

00:11:51.45 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:11:51.47 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I'm going to try and get it on video because as you know by now, dear readers, um all our episodes now go up as videos on our Patreon. Patreon.com forward slash AlexiSale podcast.

00:12:05.45 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:12:06.13 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And I'm going to try and get those ah live shows video too. um

00:12:10.81 alexei sayle All right, do we need, I don't know, they were asking if I need it, and I thought this is of any interest.

00:12:10.93 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, man. What else do you want to chat about?

00:12:15.08 alexei sayle to Do we need a tech? I don't think we need a tech, do we? Or do we need a tech?

00:12:20.54 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal We don't.

00:12:20.75 alexei sayle Cost money. don't think we do.

00:12:22.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They're great. They've got their own. but I trust the staff there. and No,

00:12:25.59 alexei sayle Yeah, but we don't have to, I mean, if we have a tech, we have to pay for them, I think. I don't know.

00:12:29.95 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal no no, I'm the tech. We don't need the tech.

00:12:31.16 alexei sayle The other tech, yeah.

00:12:33.07 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and Absolutely. What the fuck do we need? We don't have a projector. This is if we had a projector or something.

00:12:37.49 alexei sayle No, it's not, yeah.

00:12:39.40 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Lighting cues. It's a podcast. We're going to ask everyone in the audience to close their eyes at the beginning of the show.

00:12:41.52 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:12:44.53 alexei sayle Yeah. ah But it's it's a very exciting, hope. I think we're going to do it in that rather than the bar, we're going to do it in the the the yeah the theatre space, aren't we so

00:12:52.85 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, the main room. Yeah, we're gonna have nothing.

00:12:55.87 alexei sayle So yeah, people, get down there, see us in person, find out I really do exist. i'm not I'm not but and a figment of your imagination. I'm not the Baba Yaa, the boogeyman.

00:13:09.49 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Baba Yaga.

00:13:10.81 alexei sayle Baba Yaga, is it? Is that from John Wick? Yeah. Alfie Allen's playing a Russian.

00:13:17.69 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yes.

00:13:18.05 alexei sayle um Very fond of Alfie, but not one of his finest performances.

00:13:25.36 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No, he was all right.

00:13:26.44 alexei sayle Yeah, no, he was fine.

00:13:26.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal he was He was very very good about at being pathetic and and a whingy little stroppy teenager.

00:13:27.44 alexei sayle I don't know why being horrible about Alfie.

00:13:31.98 alexei sayle Yeah. No, he did get that. Yeah. He did. He did. He did do that very well. Yeah. What's John Wick?

00:13:37.98 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And the he's in SAS Rogue Heroes, which was penned by Ben McIntyre, who did the siege book that my dad is a character in.

00:13:38.60 alexei sayle Baba Yaga, the boogeyman.

00:13:46.55 alexei sayle Yes.

00:13:49.85 alexei sayle Yes.

00:13:51.96 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's all connected, everybody.

00:13:53.24 alexei sayle Yeah, everything. Oh, podcast.

00:13:56.69 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um Hey, mentioning the Patreon, remember, we've got 330 paid members of the Patreon currently.

00:14:05.12 alexei sayle That's a lot, isn't it? And this, when you could be giving your money to any cunt on the internet, I value your contribution, really, because it's not like, you know, it says, yeah, yeah, I love you people.

00:14:10.38 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:14:15.49 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's very touching.

00:14:19.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um I just, yeah, thank you so much.

00:14:20.06 alexei sayle I love you crazy nerds.

00:14:23.33 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um It means so much.

00:14:24.97 alexei sayle that's from That's from Pitch Perfect, by the way.

00:14:28.14 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh.

00:14:28.58 alexei sayle I love you awesome nerds. It's from Pitch Perfect 1, I think. Anyway, sorry, go on.

00:14:35.20 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I just want to give it yeah yeah much love to you all. The chat, the lovely chat room in the Patreon has been popping off and I thought I'd throw some things at you, Alexi.

00:14:43.45 alexei sayle Yeah, let's do it. Let's go for it

00:14:45.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal First off, ah Mark, who you who you said should write for The Guardian ah as a film writer, he's he's ah it's made his day hearing that.

00:14:50.52 alexei sayle o

00:14:55.21 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah

00:14:55.60 alexei sayle it.

00:14:55.93 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal He writes for a website called The Geek Show and he appears on their Pop Screen podcast.

00:14:58.77 alexei sayle All right.

00:15:01.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They have a podcast called Pop screen. Mark is a really good film writer. um The closest he's ever got to writing film reviews for print media was when the Morning Star asked him to be their film critic, which sounded like a dream job.

00:15:17.16 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But when they told him they couldn't pay him, he told them to fuck off. ah Which is...

00:15:21.97 alexei sayle I suppose, yes. that's a problem I mean, you probably get into screen. I mean, not that that's, the I mean, it used to be at least you got into screenings, really. You know, you'd see films in advance if you're a film critic.

00:15:31.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah. Oh yeah, that's true.

00:15:33.17 alexei sayle But, yeah, i don't know whether that still happens.

00:15:33.54 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You'd get a press advantages of being oppressed.

00:15:37.17 alexei sayle But, yeah, they should pay, shouldn't they, really?

00:15:38.61 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um

00:15:40.45 alexei sayle Everything should pay. You know, it's not right.

00:15:43.65 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Nemo said, it's true, quick change wasn't that good, but it did have some good things in it.

00:15:44.68 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:15:51.38 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Reminded him or reminded them of Scorsese's After Hours because it's New York centred.

00:15:55.18 alexei sayle Yes, yes. Well, that is again, that is a time lock film, yeah.

00:15:59.18 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um it says keep them coming they don't have to always be good they don't have to stand the test of time that's part of the whole process uh dr nick brilliant sandwich bar series so well crafted love the mention of one of his bugbears celebrities writing shit kids books even even badil got in on that that's

00:16:03.89 alexei sayle No, no.

00:16:12.10 alexei sayle Thank you.

00:16:21.22 alexei sayle but yes They're all shit. They're all the same as well.

00:16:25.55 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal He wants to start the Walliams Awards for shit children's authors. What do think of that?

00:16:30.18 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah.

00:16:32.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I don't know.

00:16:32.74 alexei sayle Ricky Gilles.

00:16:32.95 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Baddiel did It was... Little git.

00:16:34.82 alexei sayle Baddiel. Williams. Yeah. They all fucking did it. I think was somebody. I don't Yeah.

00:16:42.98 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And then Mark came at me with this, which I went and watched. Stumbled across a 1996 animated public information film.

00:16:54.67 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal called Moonlighters, which Alexei does the narration for.

00:16:57.92 alexei sayle That's right. Yeah.

00:16:59.58 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's about the perils of kids playing with lighters.

00:17:03.84 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um Do you remember it, Alexei?

00:17:06.15 alexei sayle I do vaguely. I don't know why, but yeah, I do.

00:17:08.65 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I've written a little quiz for to see how much you remember.

00:17:10.85 alexei sayle I don't.

00:17:12.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Moonlighters, 1996. On which celestial body is the film located?

00:17:19.78 alexei sayle Oh, thought it was on Earth. don't know. I've completely forgotten it then.

00:17:23.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No, it was set on the moon, Alexei.

00:17:24.88 alexei sayle it sat on the moon? All right.

00:17:26.08 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah. um What are the names of the two protagonists?

00:17:30.85 alexei sayle Oh, fuck if I know.

00:17:33.28 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They're called Biblock and Hoblock. They're aliens.

00:17:35.66 alexei sayle Okay. probably ah somebody's for It's probably now written you written by a young Jesse Armstrong or something. He went on to do succession.

00:17:44.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's actually quite good animation.

00:17:45.83 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:17:46.09 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal cook Clever ideas in there. What dangerous item did they find on the surface of the moon, Alexei?

00:17:51.80 alexei sayle Firelighter.

00:17:53.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal A lighter. Yes.

00:17:54.27 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:17:54.83 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal One point.

00:17:55.84 alexei sayle ah thought it was about fireworks. Okay.

00:17:58.24 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Which of the two characters, Biblock and hemp Hoblock, went out at night and grabbed the lighter and accidentally burnt the moon city down?

00:18:07.12 alexei sayle Well, it's 50-50, isn't I'm going to say Hoblock.

00:18:08.38 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah. Correct. It's Hoblock. Well done, man.

00:18:10.89 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:18:12.43 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And then finally, what was the warning Hoblock gave his little sister every day thereafter?

00:18:20.27 alexei sayle Don't follow leaders, watch a bug immediately. ah

00:18:26.73 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal yeah

00:18:27.60 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:18:27.77 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No, he told her never play with lighters.

00:18:30.58 alexei sayle Never play with lights.

00:18:32.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah Very nice. Three and a half minutes long.

00:18:33.91 alexei sayle Yeah, that's that Bobby Chariot line, isn't it?

00:18:34.87 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah

00:18:36.85 alexei sayle I got a a box of matches the other day. It said on it, keep away from children. thought, how do they know about that? That's written by Gremlin and Arthur Matthews in case you blame me for it.

00:18:51.73 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Very good line.

00:18:52.64 alexei sayle Yeah, it's a very good line.

00:18:52.69 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um There's a link to the video in the Patreon chat. Thanks, Mark, for sharing that. It's a really cool little video. And it reminded me of the one when when I was a kid. that There's always every generation has their don't play with fire film, right?

00:19:06.28 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:19:08.45 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Mine, I wonder if anyone can find this one. Mine was about a firefly whose bum didn't glow like all his mates.

00:19:16.44 alexei sayle right.

00:19:17.67 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And he was sad because his bum didn't turn on. And so he used a match. And ended up burning down the whole forest and then got punished for it.

00:19:26.26 alexei sayle Oh, shit.

00:19:27.18 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Similar to Hoblock.

00:19:27.35 alexei sayle Oh, shit. Yeah.

00:19:28.82 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal He burned down the whole city. Such dramatic outcomes.

00:19:30.67 alexei sayle Yeah. Shit.

00:19:32.67 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal What was yours when you were a kid?

00:19:33.06 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:19:35.51 alexei sayle I don't know. there was well there was There was a lot of stuff about which featured Jimmy Savile, which was a warning on many different levels. um

00:19:46.03 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Keep away from children.

00:19:47.41 alexei sayle Yeah, and there was the Green Cross Code with them but what became Darth Vader, of course, the guy played Darth Vader. um

00:19:55.83 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, the Welsh dude.

00:19:56.75 alexei sayle that was and Was he Welsh?

00:19:58.09 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal What's the fuck's his name? Yeah, Alan.

00:20:00.38 alexei sayle ah so Yeah, he there was him. but That was Stone Cross the Road, yeah. um But, ah yeah, that's right, Dave Prowse.

00:20:06.64 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal He was a bodybuilder, wasn't he? Dave Prowse, there you

00:20:10.33 alexei sayle Yeah. um But, yeah, I think i because I did so many voiceovers around about that time, I don't know whether I did that for free or for, you know, sort of community service. I mean, I wasn't doing community service. But, um you know, I think I probably did it cheap or something.

00:20:31.80 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:20:31.90 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um

00:20:32.66 alexei sayle No, but I do remember doing it, which is not true of a lot, you know, a certain amount stuff I've done.

00:20:40.51 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal well you can watch it on tvarc.org called Moonlighters it's quality it's really good it's very just pure nostalgia injection as well fucking cool yeah

00:20:55.76 alexei sayle done by like Aardman or somebody, wasn't it? It's probably done by some future Oscar winners.

00:21:01.02 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal yeah Some cool creative ideas in there, like I said.

00:21:04.39 alexei sayle Yeah, or by some guy who's not very, very bitter. Because his his animation that was the peak of his animation career. One or the other.

00:21:14.76 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and Okay. ah ah Paul says, ah Sandwich Bar is this week's Radio 4 Comedy of the Week podcast. Yeah, that's good.

00:21:23.25 alexei sayle Yes. Yeah.

00:21:25.60 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Mm-mm-mm.

00:21:29.33 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, that's about it from the Patreon chat. Thanks so much, guys. um And yeah, as I said, when we hit 500 patrons, maybe 450, we might let you off, but we are going to do a live streamed episode where we're going to let you, the listeners at home, join going to do strangers on a podcast, basically.

00:21:41.98 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:21:50.00 alexei sayle right.

00:21:50.79 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal What do you think of that? Yeah, they're goingnna have them join the stream, their faces if they want, or they can turn their cameras off and they can talk to you and you can have a chat with.

00:21:52.22 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:21:59.24 alexei sayle Okay, yeah.

00:21:59.41 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal random members of the public, which you've gotten good at.

00:22:02.38 alexei sayle Excellent. Yeah, better. Better. Yeah, no that's a good idea. And so you want, let's to take a darker turn now.

00:22:14.51 alexei sayle You wanted to talk about Syria.

00:22:16.26 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, I've been doing a lot of chatting. Is there a topic you wanted to bring up?

00:22:20.17 alexei sayle Well, I don't know.

00:22:22.61 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Well, if I may, yeah, I just wanted to have a short word on on Syria, a topic which hasn't come up in a few weeks um here on the podcast.

00:22:31.44 alexei sayle Where? Yes.

00:22:35.05 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um

00:22:35.65 alexei sayle Where's your family from?

00:22:37.67 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal My mum's family from Damascus, my dad's family is from Latakia on the coast and that's, they're not Alawite, but that's where, yeah, a lot of the recent violence has been reported.

00:22:44.53 alexei sayle But they're not Alawites.

00:22:49.88 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:22:54.99 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um

00:22:57.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal so in case anyone was wondering because you know there's been a couple of silly comments um on our youtube um which make me feel like i should mention it that's all so sorry for bringing it up but um some people going oh what do you think of your precious leader now and all that kind of thing i never made a firm stance either way um

00:23:10.10 alexei sayle Joe. Yeah.

00:23:17.23 alexei sayle yeah

00:23:24.85 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Obviously, it's really difficult to watch and it's heartbreaking um seeing violence erupting again in Syria when everything was so hopeful. um I do, however, just need to, i think it's important that we take the reporting we're seeing with a pinch of salt, with a critical eye, because there are a lot of people out there who don't want violence.

00:23:45.54 alexei sayle Mm-hmm.

00:23:50.64 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal what's happening. I don't want Syria to work. They want chaos. They want there to be

00:23:58.38 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal violence. And

00:23:59.30 alexei sayle Mm-hmm.

00:24:02.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal so I've tried really hard to have to read up on and what's actually been happening because I think there has been a lot of propaganda about what's happened.

00:24:15.73 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um And I think well i the conversation i've i've been the conversations I've been having is like, it it's not logical for this current leadership to incite violence and sectarianism on this level because their main agenda right now is to get the fucking sanctions dropped on Syria.

00:24:39.95 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So where's the logic there? what Why would they fucking do this?

00:24:44.17 alexei sayle There's somebody, I mean, somebody shot somebody, didn't they? I mean, I don't know what, I mean, in the attack yet, going by the video evidence.

00:24:51.35 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Well, there were also, yeah, and there were, violence was incited. ah

00:24:59.33 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal i think you there is evidence pointing at it, not, it's been started by the ah people pro-Assad or people who trying to incite chaos in the region.

00:25:08.74 alexei sayle Mm-hmm.

00:25:11.62 alexei sayle Mm-hmm.

00:25:12.08 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And Iranian and Israeli influences and Russian, um

00:25:19.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Attacking the fucking government forces and that.

00:25:21.59 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:25:21.72 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And I think there have been individuals who have taken shit into their own hands and gone out and done revenge killings and really awful stuff. There have been a lot of arrests made. ah The government has opened a investigation. I think it's well in into its... It's been like a week now. They've they've investigated these events.

00:25:42.83 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal there are There has been proven a lot of the footage we've seen is like from separate things from years ago, from different.

00:25:48.60 alexei sayle Right.

00:25:50.12 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah Some of it is there's been some AI generated imagery that has been thrown out there. So there are forces out there trying to make it look worse than it is.

00:25:59.65 alexei sayle Right.

00:26:01.18 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal There has obviously been awful happenings in

00:26:03.93 alexei sayle Yeah, you can, I mean, yeah, well, we'll see. I mean, more, I mean, interestingly, ah though and that the Kurdish forces in Rojava, which this podcast is twinned with, have agreed to merge their forces into the Syrian government.

00:26:20.02 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Exactly. Yes.

00:26:23.58 alexei sayle That's a bit, you'd think.

00:26:23.85 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal There's been so much action. Thank you, Alexei. There's been so much action since that the government has done that counters what we're seeing.

00:26:26.09 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:26:31.66 alexei sayle Mm.

00:26:32.07 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah Making pacts, shaking hands, doing ah ah contracts with sects, with Christians, with Druze, with the kurd Kurdish people, as you as you said,

00:26:42.47 alexei sayle Mm.

00:26:46.25 alexei sayle Mm.

00:26:48.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah making it constitutional equality and security for these people. Um, all, all Syrians are Syrians.

00:26:59.06 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Like there is no, the minorities there are in their millions.

00:26:59.24 alexei sayle o

00:27:03.46 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's not like there's just tiny little sections of them. It's the minorities.

00:27:06.18 alexei sayle Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:27:07.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal There are huge swathes of the public. Um, I just don't see the fucking logic as to, um, why the government would be doing this. I think there is something fishy going on, man.

00:27:21.14 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But there are also, there clearly has been something horrible happened that the these government forces, maybe acting independently, have done stuff or maybe being instructed by their government. I can't say for sure. This is why I'm struggling so hard to talk about it. But...

00:27:35.82 alexei sayle Are

00:27:38.71 alexei sayle but you talking people on the ground there or just read stuff?

00:27:41.61 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I've been talking to family. I've been talking online with people who are reporting on this.

00:27:43.46 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:27:48.45 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um

00:27:50.11 alexei sayle Where else would you get this on a podcast? You get fucking better reporting than fucking Sky.

00:27:57.11 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal There's a report called Dania Al-Assadi. ah She's been trying to call out fake information. So this is not me saying that these government forces' hands are clean. I'm sure there's been horrible acts occurring.

00:28:07.60 alexei sayle No, well, there people are traumatized by, you know, I mean, you know, yeah.

00:28:12.88 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But and some of the videos I've seen are so horrible and hard to so hard to watch. But they're not what do you call it certified? They're not.

00:28:21.42 alexei sayle Yeah, I don't know how you can, but I mean, yeah.

00:28:25.00 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um

00:28:28.02 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So I'll just read out a couple of bits. So this is.

00:28:33.28 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Or should I or should we just call it there? I don't know.

00:28:35.56 alexei sayle I don't know.

00:28:36.48 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and

00:28:40.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So the one argument is, one argument, some people are reporting that it's Iran-backed militias and Assad loyalists china regained control trying to trying incite chaos. um

00:28:54.47 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But the new government recently have been pushing for justice and accountability for the horrible crimes that have been happening in Syria over the past decades. And this has triggered ISIS.

00:29:05.93 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Assad loyalists to fight back and do and to incite sectarian violence.

00:29:11.08 alexei sayle Okay.

00:29:11.42 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um

00:29:14.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And external forces are meddling to reshape Syria's future future to their advantage.

00:29:17.33 alexei sayle God, that's certainly true. Since Israel just said that.

00:29:20.03 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So there's a lot of people who don't want Syria to succeed, who don't want this revolution to succeed.

00:29:22.09 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:29:25.00 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal A lot of media spin the media's as seem to be propaganda is flooding social media, twisting the facts. False claims about the clashes are being spread to undermine the new leadership. I'm reading from Dania Al-Assadi's Instagram account, by the way.

00:29:43.39 alexei sayle Right.

00:29:43.98 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um Who benefits? Those who want chaos, not change. ah Why accountability is critical. Syrians are demanding justice. The government must prove it is serious about dismantling the old regime's power.

00:29:57.19 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Without real consequences, history will repeat itself.

00:30:02.14 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So the fight isn't just on the battlefield, it's for the narrative, the future and Syria's sovereignty. and

00:30:11.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And yet they have acted fast. After these reports, they have gone out and seeked accords with the SDF.

00:30:18.34 alexei sayle Right. And they're good. Clever fuckers, the SDF. ah I can't see that they would go into alliance with the Syrian government if it wasn't, you know, on the up and up, really, because they're very reluctant to give away their military power.

00:30:36.30 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It was really and ah yeah it was a ah drop of fresh air and hope to see that happening.

00:30:43.36 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:30:44.83 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And a big kind of fuck you to Turkey who hates Kurdish people and they do horrible things.

00:30:47.46 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:30:51.44 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal All Syrians... are equal Syrians and should be and anything wrong that is done to any sect or minority in Syria, I do not approve of. And I do not approve any of these mindless and horrible killings and murders.

00:31:08.07 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal If they were true, ah it's it's horrible, no matter who it's happening to. And yet to think and just the idea that some people, there are people out there who hate all the Alawites because ah sad this Assad is Alawite and They think any Alawite is a bad... That's bullshit.

00:31:24.54 alexei sayle All

00:31:26.35 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and

00:31:28.53 alexei sayle right, we'll leave it there.

00:31:29.12 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah. and And the new Syrians are very pro-Palestine as well. like

00:31:33.39 alexei sayle Yeah, yeah, I mean, that is a, yeah.

00:31:34.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal People forget how much Assad hated and and did so much against Palestine. And Palestinian refugees in Syria and that.

00:31:42.51 alexei sayle Yes, I mean, he obviously was.

00:31:42.71 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But yeah, a lot of the footage out there is fake, man. Or like from other events.

00:31:47.91 alexei sayle Yeah, i mean I mean, Assad did, I mean, it's not it was a terrible regime, but um they did kind of allow the funneling of arms to Hezbollah, if you whether you think that's a good thing or not, really, they did.

00:31:49.21 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Be careful.

00:32:00.71 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Well, fuck Hezbollah as well.

00:32:00.97 alexei sayle Ooh.

00:32:02.92 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They didn't like Palestine either.

00:32:05.88 alexei sayle Really?

00:32:06.61 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah. They used to fucking murder Palestinian refugees. They hated the refugees in Lebanon, Palestinians.

00:32:13.36 alexei sayle I didn't know that.

00:32:13.38 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hezbollah aren't nice.

00:32:14.15 alexei sayle It's controversial.

00:32:14.76 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They're fucking cunts as well.

00:32:18.08 alexei sayle Oh, you're going to get, o we're going to get some earache.

00:32:20.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Don't give a fuck. No, fuck Hezbollah. I don't think we should make them out to be saints or freedom fighters in the way that we think they are. The Middle East is complicated, man.

00:32:29.92 alexei sayle No.

00:32:31.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And there are...

00:32:32.17 alexei sayle Yeah. You hear that Yvette Cooper say, we're saying, fuck Hezbollah, don't arrest us.

00:32:40.21 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Anyone who murders innocents, threatens, cuts off food and and water to people are evil cunts, man.

00:32:49.20 alexei sayle well Okay,

00:32:50.12 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And that includes Hezbollah. I'm sorry.

00:32:54.63 alexei sayle well, we'll get some earache for this.

00:32:54.93 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah. Don't give a shit. I'm the Arab. I'm the Arab here.

00:32:58.69 alexei sayle It's not your podcast.

00:33:01.49 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal All right, sorry. Well, that's me speaking, not Alexei, but I don't give fuck. I'm the Arab here, so come at me.

00:33:06.60 alexei sayle Yeah, yeah, you have a... Not just Arab, but Syrian, you have to you have the moral high ground.

00:33:11.97 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah. Hezbollah were worked with Assad.

00:33:16.47 alexei sayle Well, it's complicated, isn't it? tell me I mean, don't think, you know.

00:33:20.54 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hezbollah worked with Assad. They helped put so Syrian cities under siege. They put Palestinian refugee camps under siege. Hezbollah are no friends of Palestine. They're just also enemies of Israel.

00:33:31.94 alexei sayle Yes.

00:33:34.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And they're evil, extremist, religious fucking maniacs.

00:33:34.97 alexei sayle Anywho.

00:33:39.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Anywho.

00:33:39.60 alexei sayle Oh, no, going to get the extreme.

00:33:41.80 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No, we're not going to get anything.

00:33:42.51 alexei sayle These maniacs are going to come after us now.

00:33:46.06 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, right.

00:33:46.35 alexei sayle Oh, um oh

00:33:46.46 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:33:51.85 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, grow up, baby.

00:33:53.66 alexei sayle oh I don't want to be targeted by anybody. I don't want I was of trouble with the Zionists, and now you're getting me home um What we talk about now...

00:34:13.07 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Whatever you want I've done enough talking. People hate me already. I don't want to talk anymore.

00:34:17.90 alexei sayle There is one guy on the and the YouTube commentary does dislike you, isn't

00:34:23.25 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:34:25.84 alexei sayle he? But he likes me.

00:34:29.72 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal yeah

00:34:29.94 alexei sayle um

00:34:30.41 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal What do you think of that?

00:34:31.50 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:34:32.15 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal What do you have to say to him, Alexi?

00:34:33.71 alexei sayle no I don't know. a complicated world.

00:34:39.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You're not going to defend my honor?

00:34:45.99 alexei sayle No, no, I will. No.

00:34:50.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No, after all, I just did.

00:34:50.42 alexei sayle No.

00:34:52.98 alexei sayle No. Years ago, ah we went for dinner with Billy Connolly in my Hollywood years in the Dome on Sunset Boulevard and spent a lot of time slagging off.

00:35:07.19 alexei sayle Muriel Gray, you know, because she'd come part because she's Scottish, but also because she'd, it was probably before your time, but she'd been rude to Mick Jagger on the tube, Julian Temple.

00:35:17.71 alexei sayle so And afterwards, I told Muriel when I got back, and she said, so you defended me? I said, fuck no.

00:35:27.67 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Right.

00:35:30.79 alexei sayle I'm like, ooh, I'll put that bit out.

00:35:31.44 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So there's a pattern there.

00:35:33.57 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:35:36.30 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal God, listeners, you might be witnessing the dismantling of the Alexis L podcast.

00:35:38.22 alexei sayle Yeah, this is... Yeah, feet of clay. i wasn't going to... Why would you bother arguing, Billy Connolly? You paid for dinner.

00:35:51.79 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, this this commenter hasn't paid for your dinner.

00:35:51.86 alexei sayle ah

00:35:55.04 alexei sayle No, fucking... Yeah, you leave Talal alone. Fuck off. Leave him alone, you fucking bastard.

00:36:04.09 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, fuck him.

00:36:04.19 alexei sayle Or bastards. I'm backing my boy. so what you want to hear?

00:36:09.79 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No, it didn't feel very good. don't give him I don't want to give him any airtime. um I might even cut that out.

00:36:16.60 alexei sayle yeah we might cut this off. It's not working, this bit, is it, really? um So what else should we talk about?

00:36:25.26 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I watched Keen Eddie last night.

00:36:25.49 alexei sayle ah

00:36:26.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's on YouTube.

00:36:28.79 alexei sayle it?

00:36:29.41 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:36:29.95 alexei sayle What did you think?

00:36:30.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Gave me a headache.

00:36:32.61 alexei sayle Yes, it's awful. what you mean?

00:36:34.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:36:35.83 alexei sayle I mean, the first two episodes... when I'm in it, are better than the healthy episodes when I'm not in it.

00:36:43.77 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal There are qualities in there, but he's, it's just so stylized and it's over overly stylized, like so many jump cuts, edits, flashbacks, sound effects, incessant music, weird closeups and like, uh,

00:36:47.75 alexei sayle Is it? Right.

00:37:01.22 alexei sayle I don't know if ever watched it, to be honest.

00:37:03.42 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal it's It's very, star and it's like very 90s, like attempting to be overly, overly stylized.

00:37:10.17 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:37:12.42 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I don't know what it was about this the 90s that made, you know that, you know that weird advert that's like, you wouldn't steal a car. do do do do do do do You wouldn't steal someone's handbag.

00:37:23.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal doo do do do do do And it just keeps editing, jumping around.

00:37:26.53 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:37:27.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And then at the end it goes, well, why would you steal a film? Why would you pirate a film? Piracy is wrong.

00:37:31.94 alexei sayle All right, yeah.

00:37:32.50 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah. It was like a 45 minute version of that.

00:37:35.39 alexei sayle Really, okay.

00:37:38.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Um, but you were funny in it. You were very good.

00:37:40.59 alexei sayle ah

00:37:41.82 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Um,

00:37:41.84 alexei sayle Yeah. You couldn't see why they dropped me after show two, it really.

00:37:45.81 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Haven't got to episode two. Well, although, yeah, you betray him in the No, actually, you have a really, really sweet arc. Turns out your wife's like dead and you wanted to bury her in Spain and they thought you were trying to run away to Spain.

00:37:53.40 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:37:58.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And you have a very sweet moment at the end.

00:37:59.96 alexei sayle Really? I don't remember that.

00:38:02.84 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and ah Spoilers.

00:38:03.52 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:38:04.38 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But I don't know how you end up in episode two, because at the end of episode one, you fuck off to Spain.

00:38:09.92 alexei sayle I really, I don't know, it was so important that they brought me back for episode two and then they dropped me.

00:38:13.21 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal There we go.

00:38:17.08 alexei sayle It was a whole weird, remember Simon West, he's kind of flash guy, he was planning to open a racing track and kind of hotel resort in the south of France.

00:38:31.31 alexei sayle Is that screaming coming from me or from you?

00:38:33.39 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal From you.

00:38:33.45 alexei sayle All right, it must be child in the street. Um, I said, oh, yeah, I'd be interested in that, Simon. I could kick in like 10 grand. And he said, no, was thinking more of a million.

00:38:46.84 alexei sayle ah

00:38:49.43 alexei sayle I said, well, not really.

00:38:53.94 alexei sayle um Well, we can keep this Keen Eddie. No need to remember. We need to leave Keen Eddie there. We can return to it in various weeks. There's a weird MacGuffin.

00:39:02.00 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:39:03.22 alexei sayle You know MacGuffin is?

00:39:05.61 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:39:06.59 alexei sayle It's the thing that, you know, that it's like, you know, the fucking rings in Lord of the Rings or, you know, it's it's it's the thing that people are looking for, yeah.

00:39:12.02 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, like a physical plot device kind of thing.

00:39:17.33 alexei sayle There's a very weird MacGuffin in episode two.

00:39:23.17 alexei sayle I'll just say that.

00:39:23.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh. Okay, we'll leave that there. I can't believe he went on to do click Con Air the following year.

00:39:29.03 alexei sayle Now he'd already dunk on it.

00:39:31.02 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, must have already filmed it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:32.07 alexei sayle Yeah, he'd already dunk on it. I'd seen it, I think, by the time I...

00:39:37.31 alexei sayle I see one of the reasons I i did it really.

00:39:39.84 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You can... His style... Con Air, there's a lot of of Keen Eddie and Con Air, like his style of shooting and editing.

00:39:48.95 alexei sayle My connet works.

00:39:49.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But Keen Eddie just, it's it's if you believe it or not, it's turned up to 11.

00:39:50.30 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:39:54.41 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's like Con Air on crack.

00:39:54.41 alexei sayle Right.

00:39:57.91 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:39:59.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's wild.

00:40:00.19 alexei sayle Okay.

00:40:01.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, okay.

00:40:01.92 alexei sayle Well, we can return to that. People can watch it on YouTube apparently.

00:40:09.52 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yep.

00:40:10.37 alexei sayle What else is there then to talk about in the world?

00:40:11.30 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh gosh.

00:40:13.98 alexei sayle There's not much going on.

00:40:15.78 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Some people got really angry at my analysis of why film stars are sexier now that I said last week.

00:40:23.35 alexei sayle Really? God, you're freaking... You're affecting my...

00:40:26.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal People are angry with me.

00:40:28.36 alexei sayle Really? don't know whether you than me.

00:40:30.09 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But it was kind of fun.

00:40:30.60 alexei sayle Right.

00:40:31.21 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal This was a bit more fun. You know, criticism is like we had back and forth.

00:40:34.53 alexei sayle Right.

00:40:35.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But yeah, I spoke with a lot of authority.

00:40:38.71 alexei sayle but What are you saying?

00:40:38.77 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal on ah

00:40:39.95 alexei sayle Because they're all buff now, you think, because it's a technical thing, because lenses are more...

00:40:45.82 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Partly, yeah, I think ah censorship got more lax and cameras got better and screens got better.

00:40:51.69 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah.

00:40:54.37 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um And I said that I think people were hung up on the fact that I said film actors used to be ugly. And I used Humphrey Bogart and as as an example.

00:41:03.05 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:41:03.64 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I know that there were handsome film actors. I'm not.

00:41:05.96 alexei sayle yeah

00:41:06.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I know that Marilyn Monroe and Clark Gable and all that, but I don't think they were built like Chris Hemsworth.

00:41:12.49 alexei sayle No.

00:41:13.44 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But and yeah, I know that there used to be ugly actors.

00:41:14.65 alexei sayle it's is yeah i mean, it's an awful, yeah. I mean, now you have to spend all the time in the fucking gym, don't you?

00:41:17.59 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Handsome.

00:41:19.85 alexei sayle If you want to be a movie star, really.

00:41:22.76 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yes. think body standards and beauty standards have changed so much.

00:41:27.38 alexei sayle so if you're in the Back in the day, you could just be drunk all the time, couldn't

00:41:31.87 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They were drunk all the time and smoking all the time and eating shit and doing coke in between takes.

00:41:35.38 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah.

00:41:38.34 alexei sayle Yeah. yeah

00:41:40.72 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um Um, and their lifespans were like half of our life, ah life expectancy.

00:41:46.61 alexei sayle There is that.

00:41:48.46 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah

00:41:48.81 alexei sayle Yes, I remember going around the Hollywood... The Hollywood Cemetery is actually behind Paramount Studios, the old-timey studios, which is actually in Hollywood.

00:42:00.31 alexei sayle And the the you can see the water tower, the famous Paramount Water Tower from Hollywood.

00:42:05.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal oh

00:42:05.53 alexei sayle I was just shocked by how young everybody is... In there, all the movie stars are terribly young. Most of them, a lot of them.

00:42:17.28 alexei sayle I always used contrast that with the painters. Like if you went to Paris last year's where all the great painters are buried in Paris, that they all live really long time. And I said that was, I thought to theorise that was partly because they're working. It's a kind of physically demanding but kind of energetic thing to be a painter, you know.

00:42:38.66 alexei sayle And then you would sit down have a sandwich at lunch and listen to Editor 4. And, ah you know, you're convivial and you're part of a kind of, you know. And whereas these movie stars just seem to live these terrible lives and die die very young, really.

00:42:57.72 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:43:00.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They have a expectation to live these debauched lifestyles.

00:43:00.56 alexei sayle um Yeah.

00:43:05.90 alexei sayle Well, so do artists, but they seem to... but so A lot of them anyway, too.

00:43:13.14 alexei sayle Live longer.

00:43:16.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's fucking hailing.

00:43:16.39 alexei sayle That was just my...

00:43:17.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Today is really weird. It was snowing earlier.

00:43:21.03 alexei sayle Yes.

00:43:22.02 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And then there's a big crack of lightning.

00:43:22.03 alexei sayle Got caught in it. Yeah.

00:43:25.74 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal lightning right out It was like the closest I've ever seen a bolt of lightning.

00:43:31.78 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Right outside my flat.

00:43:32.05 alexei sayle Yes.

00:43:33.30 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And then rain And now it's hailing like a motherfucker.

00:43:37.42 alexei sayle That's the hail. We had that about an hour ago. travelled over to you now.

00:43:44.70 alexei sayle I can't believe people are going to want to listen to this, just talking about the weather.

00:43:47.60 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No.

00:43:49.07 alexei sayle It's a new low, isn't it, really?

00:43:49.18 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal What's Ooh. what's next

00:43:53.80 alexei sayle ah Well, we've done all my... so It's a blitz, isn't it? It's Alexis out blitz, isn't it? Celebrity Antiques Road Trip and then... sandwich bar, fill your boots, because I'm probably I haven't got anything. That's it. Now haven't got anything in the, in the pipeline.

00:44:10.66 alexei sayle There may be a project next year. I better not talk about it yet, but there's, we're working on something.

00:44:16.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah who

00:44:16.60 alexei sayle Um, ah there's a book here.

00:44:17.91 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And your book. You got your book.

00:44:19.99 alexei sayle That'll be out. Yeah. There's that. um so we could come through, we could,

00:44:29.23 alexei sayle movie. movie choices we could do or things we've watched on the telly. I haven't read it yet. I'm quite enjoying Call Millie Black.

00:44:43.30 alexei sayle um

00:44:45.64 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal quoi?

00:44:46.55 alexei sayle it's ah It's a sort of detective thing set in sets in Jamaica. With some idea to compare him with Death in Paradise, which is really stupid. just because they're both set in the Caribbean.

00:45:00.44 alexei sayle It's okay. I mean, it suffers from flaws of all detective stuff, really. But it's interesting. Based on the Marlon James book, a prize-winning author, Marlon James, short story.

00:45:16.10 alexei sayle yeah,

00:45:19.91 alexei sayle that's quite interesting. Has there been anything else?

00:45:22.45 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Who's in it?

00:45:23.20 alexei sayle Eh?

00:45:23.54 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And where's it airing?

00:45:23.60 alexei sayle Eh?

00:45:25.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's called Millie Black.

00:45:25.45 alexei sayle It's on ah Channel 4.

00:45:31.18 alexei sayle Call Millie Black, it's called.

00:45:35.43 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Okay, I'll give that a look.

00:45:36.42 alexei sayle Um...

00:45:41.85 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um I'll tell you what, I've got an email here from Fliss. Hi, Alexi and Talal. I'm really excited to have the immense sandwich bar back.

00:45:55.13 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Our household has been looking forward to its return.

00:45:59.46 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um they're They're eking it out weekly rather than binging

00:46:03.54 alexei sayle m

00:46:04.14 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It must be savored. Genuinely a much needed voice in this wilderness.

00:46:08.89 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:46:09.61 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal i thought I thought I'd email with some possible new themes slash guest ideas. Not that you're short on brilliant content, which I thought is an apt time to read this.

00:46:19.52 alexei sayle Oh, she got it's go she's got a shock coming her way after this one.

00:46:26.80 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I feel it would be great and valuable to see disabled socialist voices in the mix.

00:46:33.42 alexei sayle Yeah, sure. Does she have any in mind? Okay.

00:46:36.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I interviewed Penny Pepper a few years back. She's written memoirs about her 80s youth and socialist and disabled activism.

00:46:41.24 alexei sayle Sure.

00:46:47.19 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal She's got a great wit and also is a punk poet.

00:46:51.12 alexei sayle okay

00:46:51.49 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal think you'd have a lot to talk about.

00:46:53.54 alexei sayle sure

00:46:56.85 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal The burning issue could be discussed with DPAC, Disabled People Against Cuts campaigners.

00:47:02.37 alexei sayle Well, that's, oh, Jesus, yeah, we want, i mean, fucking hell, what's going on with the Labour Party? It's like their covert right-wing collection of neo-Nazis. Wink.

00:47:13.80 alexei sayle um You know, blimey, they're really revealing their true colours, aren't they, with their attacks on welfare state?

00:47:23.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, what was the big cut that was...

00:47:25.92 alexei sayle They're going to cut personally. Well, they're going to just bankrupt. There's a report, I think, anyway, that said that our welfare system is the worst after Slovenia or just before Slovenia, I'm not quite sure which.

00:47:40.19 alexei sayle But I know pensions, for instance, in and in Spain are much more generous than here. um and But even so, it's supposed to be a tremendous burden on the, um you know, so that all all welfare payments need to be stopped so we can spend the money on weapons.

00:47:54.42 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Right, yeah. And did you see Sakir Starmer's announcement today?

00:48:02.14 alexei sayle What's he doing today?

00:48:02.69 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal About the NHS.

00:48:03.77 alexei sayle Oh, about the NHS. Yes, I don't know.

00:48:04.89 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They're going to axe NHS England.

00:48:07.45 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:48:08.20 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And on the surface, it it does look like a decent idea to the management the put the management of the and NHS back into the hands of ah government workers and stuff.

00:48:14.43 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:48:21.67 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:48:22.71 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But...

00:48:25.19 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Considering West st Streeting is our health secretary and it's Keir Starmer, the biggest sellout we've ever seen in 10 Downing Street, there's obviously a big fish somewhere, right?

00:48:30.70 alexei sayle Yeah, they're up to something.

00:48:36.23 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:48:37.83 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal What do you think?

00:48:38.06 alexei sayle Yeah, yeah, definitely. Don't be fooled. They're up to something, people. I don't know what it is yet, but you'll hear it first. News from Syria.

00:48:51.05 alexei sayle and and Entertainment news. And our eye on the Labour Party. Oh, you thought of something.

00:48:58.42 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No, finish your thought.

00:48:59.38 alexei sayle Oh.

00:48:59.89 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:49:00.68 alexei sayle I am the Labour Party. I am the Labour Party segment. They're a bunch of bastards.

00:49:09.87 alexei sayle Hello?

00:49:11.06 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Mate, we've had correspondence about your family history, your lineage.

00:49:11.91 alexei sayle What?

00:49:14.72 alexei sayle Oh, shit! In hell, fucking hell, we've been...

00:49:16.36 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Why are we waiting till minute 50 to bring this up?

00:49:17.28 alexei sayle who Fucking... Yeah, shit. Oh, that was fascinating. You must thank that guy for doing that. Yeah. God, what's wrong with us?

00:49:27.66 alexei sayle Honestly.

00:49:30.55 alexei sayle Yeah, I mean, it's, true I mean, it's, it's I mean, it actually, I mean, it sort of, it proves that my mother was telling the truth, really, that, you know, that they, that we were from where she said we were from and that they lived in Crown Street.

00:49:46.21 alexei sayle And um yeah, but it's, it's, right.

00:49:48.74 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Mate, the one I sent you was the latest thing I received, ah but it started with, I think this was the first one.

00:49:53.44 alexei sayle Right.

00:49:58.06 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um No, this was first one. Philip reached out, got there first. um So big up, Philip's, for being first past the post.

00:50:08.54 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah Hi there.

00:50:08.89 alexei sayle yeah

00:50:10.16 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I got a bit carried away after the podcast, and by stitching together various records from Find My Past,

00:50:17.90 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It looks like Molly Malka Mendelsohn is machinist flag maker in 1939. Had mater...

00:50:26.69 alexei sayle Yes, she was.

00:50:27.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:50:28.03 alexei sayle ah think she tried to organize a strike. She made flags. She tried to organize a strike to sabotage the war effort. but Yes, that's what she did.

00:50:37.07 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, good on her, Molly. had met She had maternal grandparents, David and Sarah Tropp.

00:50:43.44 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:50:44.19 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal who were both listed in the 1911 census as born in Grodus goal, Grodus goal, Russia in the 1850s. No idea where that maps to today. David was a traveling.

00:50:58.38 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal David was a traveling coal dealer and they were living at 170 crown street, Liverpool. Molly's father's family seems to have dodged paperwork as much as possible.

00:51:05.54 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:51:09.07 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No idea what the story is there.

00:51:09.96 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:51:10.84 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So that was Philip. Um,

00:51:13.27 alexei sayle So that that was my mother's father's parents were from Grodd or wherever it was, Belarus.

00:51:19.15 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yes.

00:51:21.39 alexei sayle But he was...

00:51:21.67 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Grodus Goal, Russia.

00:51:21.71 alexei sayle was he goods scott Yeah.

00:51:23.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You think that's Belarus now?

00:51:25.22 alexei sayle I think I read some works in Belarus now, but...

00:51:29.18 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And then we had Chris reach in. Hello, chaps. This is Chris. Had a little look. I don't know giving you a voice. Had a little look at Alexei's family tree. haven't spent too much time because I'm sure others will have also done so. You're right, Chris.

00:51:47.37 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Grandfather, Vilnius.

00:51:52.30 alexei sayle which is in Lithuania, right?

00:51:52.35 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Grandfather.

00:51:55.96 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Russian Empire. Oh, okay, yeah, okay, I should read it properly. Grandfather, born 28th of June, 1878, in Russian Empire.

00:51:59.68 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:52:05.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And you're saying that's Lithuania now.

00:52:07.81 alexei sayle But it's one them both, yeah.

00:52:08.11 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah Died on 15th December, 1950, Liverpool.

00:52:14.00 alexei sayle That's before I was born then.

00:52:16.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Buried in the Rice Lane Jewish Cemetery, Walton. You ever been there to visit him?

00:52:19.82 alexei sayle Yeah. No.

00:52:22.40 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No.

00:52:22.76 alexei sayle I didn't know was there. I know where Rice Lane is.

00:52:26.37 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Appears in the 1901 census, age 24, Alexander man Mendelsohn. Traveller for hardware. Lodging in Whitechapel. In the 1939, registered as a commercial traveller living back in Liverpool, Crown Street.

00:52:45.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Also on this entry is your grandmother, Mary Tropp. Molly Mendelsohn, mother. Celia Mendelsohn, your aunt.

00:52:53.95 alexei sayle Yes, Auntie Celia, yes.

00:52:56.71 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Born 1917, two years younger than Molly. And Rose Mendelsohn, born 1920. Another aunt.

00:53:03.38 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:53:03.94 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And Max Mendelsohn, 1923. Is that an aunt as well? Max.

00:53:08.40 alexei sayle No, Uncle. There was Uncle.

00:53:09.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It says aunt here. That's an uncle.

00:53:11.32 alexei sayle um ah Maybe it is. don't know. Max isn't woman's name, is it?

00:53:14.45 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I know, yeah, that's why I was confused.

00:53:15.65 alexei sayle Uncle Monty was there was the last born, I think that's what but think ah sort set Molly off, really, because I think her father transferred his affections and attention to Uncle Monty.

00:53:26.41 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Ah, to the sun.

00:53:28.56 alexei sayle The son, because he finally had a son.

00:53:32.50 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Grandmother Mary Tropp. ah Mary's father, Joseph David Tropp, was born 1858 Grodno, Belarus. as was Mary's mother, Sarah.

00:53:43.75 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Someone called David Tropp, born the same year, was in court for assault in Athlone in 1889 and for stealing in Liverpool.

00:53:43.90 alexei sayle Right.

00:53:53.93 alexei sayle And that was Molly's mother's brother, presumably.

00:53:54.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um

00:54:00.85 alexei sayle Crop.

00:54:01.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal that That was from Dr. Chris, who's an anthropologist and a historian.

00:54:04.22 alexei sayle Thank you, Dr. Chris. that's that's That's fascinating. Now you could do me, Dad, if you don't mind. if it gives you pleasure. I mean, don't if you don't.

00:54:16.38 alexei sayle Joseph Henry Sale.

00:54:17.76 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Who Dr. Chris or or me.

00:54:19.17 alexei sayle However, anybody, I'm getting all this free. Ancestry.com stuff.

00:54:24.64 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And then there's the one that I sent you from Colin. Now, is doesn't this one go?

00:54:27.48 alexei sayle Oh, right. That was kind of the same, wasn't it? Well, it would be, wasn't it, really?

00:54:31.60 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But he does mention stuff about.

00:54:35.46 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So TROP is your mum's side, is it?

00:54:39.05 alexei sayle Yes.

00:54:42.78 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So David Tropp was a naughty guy.

00:54:43.81 alexei sayle Apparently, yeah. Yeah.

00:54:46.88 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Do you mind us talking about this?

00:54:49.20 alexei sayle don't fucking care, yeah.

00:54:52.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Who's that, your granddad?

00:54:54.55 alexei sayle No, my great-granddad...

00:54:56.83 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Great granddad. ah Here comes the uncomfortable stuff. The guy was in newspapers a lot. Cruelty to horses. Assault. Setting an empty house on fire.

00:55:12.47 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And he actually made a website chronicling.

00:55:16.52 alexei sayle Not my dad, not my great-grandfather, didn't it?

00:55:19.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal This is Colin. ah This is the one, the email that I passed on to you with that website.

00:55:24.98 alexei sayle Yes.

00:55:25.51 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You had a look at that, didn't you?

00:55:26.63 alexei sayle Yes.

00:55:27.80 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So are your thoughts, Lex, on all that?

00:55:31.50 alexei sayle It's fascinating, really. um but My grandfather was caretaker of the yeah synagogue in in Crown Street. So, that makes me an authority on anti-Semitism. um ah No, I mean, it it sort of bore out what Molly said, really, but made it a bit clearer.

00:55:51.92 alexei sayle ah And I think I wasn't lying about, I think I said, I think it's Vilnius in Lithuania or, God, that's terrible, isn't I should know. um ah You know, that I was sort of vague about where my grandparents were from, really, because it's because it became different places.

00:56:08.00 alexei sayle Sometimes it was Russia, sometimes it was somewhere else.

00:56:10.26 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm.

00:56:12.29 alexei sayle um So, yeah, that was interesting.

00:56:18.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Let me look this up for you. Grodus Goal.

00:56:22.69 alexei sayle think that's in Belarus.

00:56:33.59 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Keeps giving me this character from Paper Mario. Um.

00:56:39.88 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Grodos. Grodno goal in Belarus. Grodno.

00:56:46.65 alexei sayle Yes.

00:56:48.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal There you go.

00:56:48.39 alexei sayle Well, it was, you know, a there are many places where they were terrible to Jews in that part of the world at that time. but it's so may i mean it's kind of, you know, it's interesting, really.

00:57:02.60 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal If you want to read about this, listeners, you can go to merseysidebiographypages.weebly.com and you can click on the menu and go to Alexei Sale.

00:57:15.46 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal There's also Annie Garvey, Bob Dylan, Brian Jack, Elon Musk's Liverpool ancestors, Paul McCartney. So this guy's proper historian, does all these biographies and has done a whole...

00:57:25.26 alexei sayle Yeah. Well, you can see me dad now.

00:57:29.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:30.35 alexei sayle I'm much vaguer about what we did where me dad came from. So, yeah, if you just mind, I'd be very grateful. I'm very grateful anyway.

00:57:40.97 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, they have. No one chose to cover your dad. Oh, I guess the episode was called Molly, wasn't it?

00:57:45.13 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:57:45.33 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Last week.

00:57:46.20 alexei sayle You've got the next one, Joe.

00:57:48.37 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Joe.

00:57:49.82 alexei sayle Joe.

00:57:50.85 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Joe Sale.

00:57:52.02 alexei sayle Joe Sale. Joseph Henry Sale.

00:57:52.92 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal What's the... Joseph Henry Sale. This is so... And he's like... This Merseyside Biography's biographypages.weebly.com has got images of like screenshots of the census,

00:58:10.83 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal OS maps of the the streets of the time, Crown Street Synagogue, photograph.

00:58:21.59 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's just fucking mind-blowing how much... depth it goes into. So thank you, Colin. And thank you, Chris. And thank you, Philip.

00:58:33.48 alexei sayle Yes, thank you very, very much, all of you. very grateful.

00:58:40.61 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Wild. And we've got new patron members this week, Simon, Richard, James, John.

00:58:53.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Thank you, everybody.

00:58:54.14 alexei sayle Yes, God bless you. Thank you very much.

00:58:59.95 alexei sayle Are we thinking about future movie I've been thinking about because ah about Mephisto.

00:59:05.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Are you, Alexi? where Where does your heart point you?

00:59:17.10 alexei sayle Because Mephisto is a film by my old mate, Isvan Szabo. um And um it's about really that process by which...

00:59:29.68 alexei sayle um performers become incorporated or allow themselves to be used by dictators or dark forces, really. So obviously it plays on the the myth of Mephistopheles, the man who sells his soul to the devil.

00:59:46.14 alexei sayle But it's also a tale of kind of... content and And, you know, it's a tale that's just set in during the Second World War, during the Nazi era in Germany.

00:59:59.44 alexei sayle um And it is about, you know, you see it so frequently, performers selling their souls to people. contemporary devils either by falling in line or by saying nothing i just think it might be ah an object lesson for our time really it's a long long long time since i saw it but that's i'm just putting that out there maybe mephisto a film it's a classic last line which is i think is last night i'm i'm just an actor um

01:00:35.02 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Interesting.

01:00:36.80 alexei sayle Yeah, so first film with subtitles, but it might be an interesting film. I'd say it's just something that's been playing on my mind, really, is this idea of of entertainers.

01:00:52.80 alexei sayle selling their souls. Well, they're not obviously, ah politicians also selling, you know, David Lammy and so on, selling their souls to the devil. But particularly entertainers as well. that you I think you're starting to see that. I don't know. You will start see that.

01:01:08.29 alexei sayle Already starting to see that in the States. um

01:01:13.48 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, people who are openly hated Trump are now like just fully fully on board.

01:01:18.26 alexei sayle Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

01:01:20.93 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal This film, Mephisto, is from 1981.

01:01:23.79 alexei sayle Yes.

01:01:24.09 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's directed by Istvan Szabo.

01:01:27.40 alexei sayle Mm-hmm.

01:01:29.06 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Story by Klaus Mann.

01:01:32.10 alexei sayle From another white glass menu.

01:01:32.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's Hungarian.

01:01:34.44 alexei sayle It's Transalvo's Hungarian, yeah.

01:01:36.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Right.

01:01:40.66 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's based on the novel of the same name. Yeah, this striking imagery of this fellow with white face paint.

01:01:42.60 alexei sayle Mm-hmm.

01:01:47.04 alexei sayle it Who plays the actor? Is it Klasinski? I'm sure.

01:01:54.91 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Let me tell you.

01:02:02.61 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal who plays the main fella? Well, I don't know what the name of the main fella is. Oh, Hendrik Hofgur. No, it's Klaus Maria Brandauer.

01:02:10.68 alexei sayle Cosminia Blandauer, right.

01:02:14.49 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Klaus Skinski was

01:02:19.22 alexei sayle somebody

01:02:20.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Werner Herzog's muse, wasn't he he? He'd worked with him a lot.

01:02:22.85 alexei sayle Was he? Ah, right, okay.

01:02:23.92 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal yeah um And this isn't the film that you dubbed someone for.

01:02:29.61 alexei sayle No, that was it was also in his Fansabo film, but that was ah called Meeting Venus.

01:02:36.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Meeting Venus. ah All right. Well, this is a front runner then for our next Alexis L film club.

01:02:41.53 alexei sayle Yeah.

01:02:45.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Looks fascinating. Yeah, looks great. And it reminds me of of certain decisions.

01:02:52.18 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I've had to make because, you know, I told you, I think I told you, I turned down a really well-paying job dubbing a fucking Israeli drama for Netflix.

01:03:01.19 alexei sayle Yeah.

01:03:02.00 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And I told them to stuff it. And then just recently, I got sent an inquiry for a Russian drama.

01:03:14.64 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They needed an Arabic actor.

01:03:16.79 alexei sayle h

01:03:18.25 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And I was actually pondering it because I need the work. And it involved going to Moscow for two weeks.

01:03:26.29 alexei sayle Wow.

01:03:26.95 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And i was like, and I was just like, was thinking, you know, artists aren't necessarily attached to the government's decisions and everyone deserves to watch telly.

01:03:27.05 alexei sayle Well, I don't know. Yeah.

01:03:37.85 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Like, you know, whether there's lots of people in Russia who don't agree with their government, blah, blah. was trying to justify it just so I could like entertain the concept of doing it. And then,

01:03:51.28 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I remembered that all the how much Russia supported Assad and all that shit and what they did to Syria and i was like oh, yeah, fuck, it's not just about Ukraine. They've actually acted on ah country my family are from and completely put me off it.

01:04:06.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I told them to stuff it.

01:04:10.14 alexei sayle Well, that's got rid of the last of the left-wingers, the last there our extreme left-wing demographic that we were clinging on to.

01:04:17.50 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Why?

01:04:18.91 alexei sayle I don't know. Well, I think there's a... I think some people, because, you know, my enemy's enemy is my friend, people are... I think there are some on the left who still kind of...

01:04:32.10 alexei sayle are that and I know, feel affectionate, allegiance towards Russia, I think.

01:04:39.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Right. Well, they they teamed up with Iran and Assad and killed a million Syrians. Over a million Syrians.

01:04:48.64 alexei sayle Yes.

01:04:51.12 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal What kind of friend is that?

01:04:52.35 alexei sayle I know. Well, I don't know. Please put put, if you have a different viewpoint, it's allowed. Please feel free to come forward with it.

01:04:59.81 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Please, let's have the conversation, man.

01:05:02.30 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. not

01:05:03.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Be respectful, don't be abusive, and don't call names.

01:05:05.18 alexei sayle yeah

01:05:06.14 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But if I can have the conversation, I'm not averse to debate.

01:05:08.89 alexei sayle yeah yeah

01:05:14.13 alexei sayle yeah

01:05:15.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Interesting episode, this one.

01:05:17.53 alexei sayle Yeah, I hope so.

01:05:21.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No, I mean, because I'm not sure if it's any good or not. Let's see.

01:05:26.77 alexei sayle Well, yeah, I suppose i'pose with this you know this level of... You can see why, i mean... You can see why... ah Well, i don't know. You can see it's harder than you think, isn't it? You know, presenting the morning show on Six Music or even...

01:05:47.00 alexei sayle Radio Wombat in Leeds or whatever, you know, you have to keep talking all the time. You can see why. There's a bit about Radio 6 music, and can't remember which episode of Sandwich Bar it's in, but you can, you know.

01:05:59.78 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yo, the vegetarian lasagna.

01:06:02.10 alexei sayle Yeah.

01:06:02.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I think that was the last episode.

01:06:02.50 alexei sayle How was it? Okay.

01:06:05.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal think so, but could be wrong. Could be episode three.

01:06:07.32 alexei sayle But you do see how, you know, must be difficult, you know, keeping going all the time, just yakking, not um sounding like an idiot, really. I'm being just grateful for to hear the idiot opinions of the listeners, you know, about them making a vegetable lasagna.

01:06:23.24 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

01:06:27.63 alexei sayle Oh.

01:06:30.26 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But I think there's a certain, you're just going through the motions if you're just doing radio presenting, I think is actually a bit, it's not that difficult.

01:06:38.77 alexei sayle Does your edit? I think there's one. I mean, I don't know. I mean, again, it's a bit like me kind of a just reading it.

01:06:41.97 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You've got to talk shit.

01:06:44.29 alexei sayle was Steve LeMach, who does the afternoon show, he's given himself years ago, but given himself a nickname, Lamo, as it were. He refers to himself as Lamo or people, you know.

01:06:56.59 alexei sayle Can you do that? Can you really do that? Is it possible in polite society to do that? If I call myself sailo You know, I, Salo, really making a vegetarian in the Sanrio and listening to the dead rabbis, going to see the dead rabbis tonight at the old emphysema factory in Burton-on-the-water.

01:07:19.97 alexei sayle Could I do that? Call myself Salo? Allow people to call me Salo? don't think i don't think it's ethical, really, is it?

01:07:30.02 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I don't think ethics needs to come into it. just I think you can do it. It's whether it catches on whether people it's It's a matter of how much affection people have for you, really.

01:07:38.91 alexei sayle Yeah.

01:07:39.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Is it ethical? I don't know. I always wanted people to call me Breezewell.

01:07:45.82 alexei sayle Breezewell.

01:07:46.80 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Breezewell, yeah.

01:07:51.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I've had a number of names. T-Bone, T-Breeze. T-Bone, T...

01:07:55.40 alexei sayle T-Bone.

01:07:55.48 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal bonene t

01:07:57.43 alexei sayle It's a very funny... Now, here's the thing.

01:08:00.11 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal T-bone, T-breezy, and then Breezewell.

01:08:00.72 alexei sayle Is Seinfeld still funny?

01:08:02.25 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Go on.

01:08:05.12 alexei sayle Was it ever funny? Now what we know about... Jerry Seinfeld, is it? Now make us sick. I remember loving that show. And, you know, the episode where George wants to be called T-Bone. You you know, I think he's... You can always say that all the best bits are Larry David.

01:08:26.48 alexei sayle as far as I know, hasn't disgraced himself in the last year know and half.

01:08:26.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You could always say that.

01:08:31.35 alexei sayle So, ah you know, but is Seinfeld still funny?

01:08:36.02 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Well, I don't know.

01:08:36.76 alexei sayle I mean, he's obviously a vile human being.

01:08:36.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal like He is.

01:08:38.48 alexei sayle but

01:08:40.35 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Is Annie Hall still funny? Is Manhattan still and a good film?

01:08:44.40 alexei sayle Well, yes, all that. we've we yeah

01:08:46.97 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal we've We've covered this, but I think it must be.

01:08:49.89 alexei sayle It's Terminator 2, Rise of the Machines.

01:08:50.66 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I think it must be.

01:08:52.37 alexei sayle Is that still funny? Not Terminator 2. Transformers 2. Is that still good?

01:08:57.55 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah

01:09:00.14 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It never was, Alexei.

01:09:01.88 alexei sayle Oh, don't say that.

01:09:04.92 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal hate Transformers. I hate Hezbollah and I hate the Russians.

01:09:09.06 alexei sayle Oh, that's got rid of everybody. I

01:09:15.12 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Transformers 2. Um...

01:09:16.84 alexei sayle i think it's a... I might be transform but Transformers... might be Transformers 5. I don't which is... Hang on. Hiya! Oh, it's around the corner. I'm just doing the... finishing off the podcast.

01:09:33.15 alexei sayle It's a particularly poor one. Erm...

01:09:38.46 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I think we should

01:09:41.56 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal we should kill this beast kill this beast before it causes any more damage.

01:09:41.62 alexei sayle Sheila Berth.

01:09:45.61 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Let's end the episode.

01:09:46.43 alexei sayle I said this before about half the cast of Trainspotting are also in Black Hawk Down.

01:09:53.25 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, you have, yeah.

01:09:54.09 alexei sayle I've said that before. But also Sheila Berth is in both the first Transformers movie and Fury, isn't he?

01:10:03.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And what's the significance of that?

01:10:04.99 alexei sayle There's no significance at all.

01:10:07.37 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal He's in many films, Alexei.

01:10:08.83 alexei sayle Yeah, ah suppose he is, yes. That's a good point.

01:10:11.18 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal He's also in the Indiana Jones films. He's the young Indy, isn't he? Or something. Or his son.

01:10:17.03 alexei sayle Is he?

01:10:17.98 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

01:10:18.26 alexei sayle Yeah, he's in one of them.

01:10:19.48 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

01:10:19.58 alexei sayle There's two good... There's a bit... there's ah you know There's an episode of... um I think it's the fourth... About so which by about sequels.

01:10:30.23 alexei sayle it About whether you can you know keep going, really. And I did forget to mention... Because I talk about you know Pitch Perfect 2 and Pitch Perfect 3 being weak.

01:10:39.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, you say...

01:10:40.66 alexei sayle And I forgot to mention, of course, Indiana Jones 2, which is...

01:10:41.72 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You say...

01:10:44.86 alexei sayle 3. Which is the best of the lot, really.

01:10:48.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I was thinking about Indy this morning because I'm playing a really good Star Wars game on my PlayStation at the moment. And I came to the realization that you are in the star wars Star Wars universe because Indiana Jones and Star Wars are connected. Yeah.

01:11:07.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I think there's an Easter egg in a star in an indie film.

01:11:10.84 alexei sayle Really?

01:11:11.60 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal the Yeah, that he's like going through some caves or something and there's an inscription on the wall of like R2-D2 and C-3PO and like some hieroglyphs and stuff.

01:11:22.44 alexei sayle Right.

01:11:23.96 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hinting at the fact that the Indiana Jones universe is the Star Wars universe because Star Wars happened a long time ago in the galaxy far away, blah, blah, blah.

01:11:28.81 alexei sayle Yeah.

01:11:32.29 alexei sayle Right. They've both got eyes for forwarding them, obviously.

01:11:35.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's all connected.

01:11:35.71 alexei sayle Well, they're also, I mean, they're also city franchises. where I mean, I'm not a fan Star Wars at all, really, but so some are much more diabolical than other ones.

01:11:45.25 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, certainly, yeah. There's been a long time since there's been a good Star Wars film, but you are in the Star Wars universe, technically.

01:11:46.43 alexei sayle Oh, fucking Jar Jar Binks. Yeah, yeah. and

01:11:52.91 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You're Hattie.

01:11:53.67 alexei sayle well,

01:11:54.64 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Was it a Sultan of Hattie or something?

01:11:56.77 alexei sayle Hattay, yes.

01:11:58.95 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Which is cool. And I like that. And, yeah, Sheila Booth as well.

01:12:03.35 alexei sayle Yeah. He's more important than me.

01:12:07.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah A quick, I just finished, I played a game on the PlayStation called Thank Goodness You're Here. And I just want to recommend anyone out there who enjoys a bit of whimsy. It's not a computer game like you imagine. It's basically ah and a playable cartoon and it's made by these two Yorkshire lads.

01:12:25.88 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's their second games, fully independent game. It only costs a tenner and it's the funniest, most creative thing. I think it took about three hours to complete and the stories, there's like a tinge of sadness and underlying current of sadness in it, but it's so overtly funny and creative and weird.

01:12:45.07 alexei sayle o Okay, yeah.

01:12:47.09 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And the voice acting is really good. And it's using very specific Yorkshire dialect. Like it's, it doesn't hold back on being Yorkshire, even though it's an internationally kind of renowned game, uh,

01:13:02.93 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's just so cool to see a computer game where everyone's speaking in this Yorkshire dialect. You know, I was even struggling to understand some of the words they're using, but you get it in context.

01:13:11.47 alexei sayle Right.

01:13:12.28 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Super funny, really good English writing, celebrating English culture in the right way. You know, and it's, you know, without any fucking gorgeous.

01:13:21.03 alexei sayle Well, I am happy to give the Alexi Cell podcast stamp of approval to whatever it is that you've been playing.

01:13:22.80 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal like

01:13:30.16 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Thank goodness you're here.

01:13:32.09 alexei sayle Yeah, it's going make a big difference.

01:13:32.56 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You can play it on your PC or your Mac or your PlayStation or Xbox, whatever.

01:13:36.53 alexei sayle Yeah.

01:13:37.93 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Check it out. It's really good.

01:13:39.43 alexei sayle right, that's enough of this.

01:13:41.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yep.

01:13:42.09 alexei sayle I'll let you try and go and carve something useful out of this.

01:13:47.60 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Wish me luck.

01:13:48.17 alexei sayle Bye-bye, everybody. Bye-bye.