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alexei sayle
Hi everybody, welcome to um episode 75 of the Alexi Sale podcast. i Somebody pointed out on YouTube that I said 65 in Spanish rather than 75.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, it's because I... 64, yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
64. Yeah. yeah
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alexei sayle
ah secent rather than I said, whatever I said. Anyway, but it's because I was, at my ah me and Nigel's ah Celebrity e Antiques Road Trip went out last night.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Fuck! I forgot to watch it!
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alexei sayle
Oh, well, you can watch your surveiller.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah I was busy watching Keen fucking Eddie!
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alexei sayle
Oh, you idiot.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Shit! Why didn't I watch Antiques Roadship?
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alexei sayle
Oh, well, it's it's on catch-up, obviously.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Roadship!
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alexei sayle
But I lie there saying I can, I tell the...
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah
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alexei sayle
I tell Tash, my antiques expert, I'm fluent in Spanish, which is a lie.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, do you? but why Why did that come up?
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alexei sayle
ah Just because I was saying which that i I can't haggle unless I pretend to be French.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
French, okay.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, so I go, how much do you want? yeah I can't do it in English, but I say, how much do you want for this? I cannot possibly pay that for this. um And um ah she said, do you speak French? I said, no, but I speak Spanish. And Linda went, oh, you liar.
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alexei sayle
um
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You're just lying to her, you're lying to the whole viewing public.
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alexei sayle
Well, it's all right. It's all right. Yeah, I'm lying to everybody who's watching Celebrity Antiques Road Trip. I'm lying to people who believe in me. That's perhaps an object lesson. Don't believe him don't believe in any any anybody.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hmm. Hmm.
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alexei sayle
but Well, believe in me more than anybody else, but don't believe in me either, really.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hmm.
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alexei sayle
it's all It's all a lie. Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters. Girl, by the way, who's looking for a new fool? Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters. Et cetera.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Did you see that film?
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alexei sayle
ah Now I haven't seen it yet. Timothy Shyamalam, Shyamalay.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Bob Dylan film. Shamalamalim Shami.
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alexei sayle
Yeah. No, I'm looking forward to seeing it, actually. I watched the documentary.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ummi
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alexei sayle
I've seen it before, actually, see on BBC Two. I think it was on BBC Two. It was an arena about Bob Dylan. I think it's two-part, quite lengthy. They had... um
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alexei sayle
Allen Ginsberg was one of my favourite poets, one my favourite poems of all time, his Howell, his poem. um and But he was so such an attractive character, I think.
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alexei sayle
They also have footage, of course, of the ah the Manchester Free Trade gig where he went electric and people shouted out Judas at him.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah
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alexei sayle
I was i trying to think of a joke where I was like going down and, you watched Jesus being crucified and shouted out Bob Dylan at him. don't know if that's too abstruse a joke, really.
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alexei sayle
ah But...
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's not bad.
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alexei sayle
ah
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Maybe if it was like an electric crucifix.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, it starts getting complicated, doesn't it?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
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alexei sayle
um
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Do
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alexei sayle
But ah it's ah it's I've seen it a couple of times this year. It's, I think, a really interesting documentary.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
you know who who made it?
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alexei sayle
But it was Arena, so it was the um the Arena team.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
The team. Well, there must have been a ah someone at the helm.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's interesting. I'm going to check that out.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, no, it's a really, I really enjoyed it. But yes, I'm looking forward to seeing the movie.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Parts Unknown. No, A complete unknown.
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alexei sayle
I can never remember, I have to say the complete unknown. Ricky Roden's doing.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Like Dylan when I'm stunned.
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alexei sayle
yeah
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Bob Dylan, Doc. Okay, Parts Unknown.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That was Chef Boyardee. No.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Who's that chef who who who sadly killed himself? ah
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alexei sayle
Anthony Bourdain.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Bourdain, not Chef Boyati. Amazing series. Have you seen that?
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alexei sayle
No, no, no.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Anthony Bourdain, Parts Unknown. Yeah, he just goes to really obscure parts of the world.
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alexei sayle
Right.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Like countries we know, but like parts of those countries that are a bit more obscure.
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alexei sayle
Right.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And he even has two episodes in l LA, but he visits scenes in l LA that are... very niche, like little Korea, you know, and he just he just dives deep into the food culture of that place.
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alexei sayle
right
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alexei sayle
Right.
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alexei sayle
Sounds interesting.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And then he also does one in, he does an episode in in Israel, Palestine.
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alexei sayle
Right. And he was he was one of ours.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And people criticized him for being nice, you know, for being a human being and going, this is fucked up. Let's go do some Palestinians. And he's like, you know,
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alexei sayle
the
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um and
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alexei sayle
I'm sorry. ah Anyway, yes, so and anybody who can should watch, who didn't watch it last night, should watch Celebrity Antiques Road Trip with me and Nigel Plain.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
it's lovely. like
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh yeah, celebrity.
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alexei sayle
Now, thought we might, you know, kind of get a kind of Paul Whitehouse and Bob Mortimer vibe going, you know, because it's obviously... a way for old people to make money on TV.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
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alexei sayle
But I don't think, I'm not sure that there's, mean, I've always seen Nigel as a very good friend of mine, but I don't know whether there's any magic between us on screen, really.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Or did the editing do you harm? Do you think they justice you guys with the edit?
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alexei sayle
i No, no, they captured, they captured our interaction quite well, really. I mean, most of the time we're not together, but I don't know whether there's that, you know, there's ah there's a difference between being friends and,
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alexei sayle
in making TV or radio or podcast magic.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hmm.
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alexei sayle
ah So I don't know, really. um Anyway, that and Sandwich Bar. Obviously, you can download it. It was episode two went out. It's gone out this week, and people are getting very excited. about It seems to be getting more attention.
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alexei sayle
I recommend anybody to watch that. Listen to it on BBC Sounds. I feel... Vindicated with my choices.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
As you should, it's brilliant. It's brilliant.
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alexei sayle
Yes, it is, really. I agree. and
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And so much outreach, are all all the messages I've been getting. um Tell Alexei we love Sandwich Bar.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, well, it is, you know, so I put a lot in, but, you know, hopefully the listener gets a lot out.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
it
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Fuck, I need my phone.
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alexei sayle
It's for me. It's for me. It's for me. Me, me, me. me, me.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah
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alexei sayle
Me, me, Me, me, me. It is. Me, me, me, me, me.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, you can tell your heart and soul's in that thing, man.
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alexei sayle
me me me
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alexei sayle
it is mini mini mini mean
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But yeah, Sufjan, Leila, all the Patreon people, all just over the moon to have it on. The Beeb. My friend Alexi, my friend Alexi, my friend Kit is just in shock that the BBC allows it to go out.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Like he he said he said to me yesterday, actually, said he was...
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alexei sayle
Yes.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
it was really surreal for him to hear such harsh criticism of Keir Starmer being said on the BBC or anywhere mainstream for that matter. um He says, you know, other you know the you do hear like, oh yeah, he's a bit shit, but to just be so harsh and and truthful and out and upfront about what the actual problem with Keir Starmer is.
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alexei sayle
Yes.
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alexei sayle
yeah
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And I was like, yeah, well, maybe why haven't the BBC ah cat ah censored you yet? But maybe you you are their balance, you know, because they have to be just, they need to justify their...
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alexei sayle
I think there's a bit of that, yeah. I don't know i haven't i don't know which episodes have gone out in which order, actually. I don't know whether the one, the Israel one, the Israelish one, has gone out yet.
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alexei sayle
But it's obviously on sounds. Let's see if there's any pushback. Yeah, I mean, they i mean I know. mo I mean, you know, I have no complaints about Radio 4, the Mohit, the commissioner, has been fantastically supportive and rich at BBC Studios.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and Of course.
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alexei sayle
I mean, everybody has been great, really. and I wonder whether, will see, wonder whether, you know, when they tried to get my Desert Island Disc Band in 2021, whether they ah were surprised by the level of support for me, really, and they've decided to back off.
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alexei sayle
The Israel lobby. oh they may, you know, they're bad in their time. I don't know. But, ah yeah, no, it's, you know, it's, it's it's just I mean, in a sense, it's, there should be more stuff like that. It's, you know, I mean, I like it, obviously, that I'm the only one doing it, being that frank and that honest.
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alexei sayle
But it would be nice if some other people were doing it as well, you know.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
hundred
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alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Let's see, but also there's going to be huge backlash from the Josh Widdicombe camp.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I think his team of lawyers and supporters have already started penning a letter, an open letter to the BBC to have your show axed.
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alexei sayle
That's, ah
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alexei sayle
yeah, well, it it makes it clear, I think, which is that it's it's just me being horrible.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It was... Yeah.
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alexei sayle
there's no
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
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alexei sayle
There's no rhyme nor reason to it, really. it's It's, you know, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
That's what's so funny about it. You have no reason to hate that guy. He's perfectly lovely guy.
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alexei sayle
I'm sure it's just me being horrible.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There was our other twat who used to be the ah subject of your ire, and it was much more... I suppose you've rinsed it out, but what the fuck is his name? posh guy Whitehall.
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alexei sayle
Oh, yeah, Jack White.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Jack Whitehall.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, i didn't want to do that again, really, just because, yeah, yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You've done that, haven't you? um Guys, we've also got live shows booked in, man. Live Alexis Sale podcasts.
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alexei sayle
Yes, need to, yeah, yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
We're doing the Alexis L podcast live three nights at the Museum of Comedy in Central London on the 24th of April, 30th of April, 11th of May.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um We've got some other shows in the pipeline. Nothing confirmed, but we want to hit up Liverpool for a couple of shows and show them on sea. ah Funnily enough, I think I'm quite excited to do that one down in Brighton.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I used to live down Brighton as well, so...
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alexei sayle
Did you?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But for now, confirmed three nights at the Museum of Comedy. Go to museumofcomedy.com
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alexei sayle
Yeah, come on, people. Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and...
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alexei sayle
See us live. We'll have to, because it's a live podcast, we'll have to you have to say different things every night as well.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, that's that's kind of the idea, yeah.
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alexei sayle
I know it's bit of a worry. Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And I think there'll be, you know, hopefully a lot of audience interaction. We want people to come with with interesting and fun questions for you.
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alexei sayle
Yes.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And it doesn't always have to be about your career. can be about anything, literally anything. It can help you with your problems.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I think we can do a kind of an agony aunt style thing.
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alexei sayle
Absolutely.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
If you have personal problems in your life,
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alexei sayle
Linda's very good about getting out stains.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There you go. And Linda will be there, hopefully, in the background shouting out answers.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I've got little gifts to give to people who ask questions in the audience.
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alexei sayle
Oh, well, hell, what the?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Very exclusive little gifts.
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alexei sayle
You couldn't, you know, you couldn't. You couldn't, you know, yeah there's no, this is the, correct this is ah yeah, this is the live event of the year, isn't it, really?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, i know, man. I know. Catch your breath. Take a second. Catch your breath. It's all right.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And the museum kindly are going to record it all for us.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I'm going to try and get it on video because as you know by now, dear readers, um all our episodes now go up as videos on our Patreon. Patreon.com forward slash AlexiSale podcast.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And I'm going to try and get those ah live shows video too. um
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alexei sayle
All right, do we need, I don't know, they were asking if I need it, and I thought this is of any interest.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, man. What else do you want to chat about?
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alexei sayle
to Do we need a tech? I don't think we need a tech, do we? Or do we need a tech?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
We don't.
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alexei sayle
Cost money. don't think we do.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They're great. They've got their own. but I trust the staff there. and No,
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alexei sayle
Yeah, but we don't have to, I mean, if we have a tech, we have to pay for them, I think. I don't know.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
no no, I'm the tech. We don't need the tech.
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alexei sayle
The other tech, yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and Absolutely. What the fuck do we need? We don't have a projector. This is if we had a projector or something.
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alexei sayle
No, it's not, yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Lighting cues. It's a podcast. We're going to ask everyone in the audience to close their eyes at the beginning of the show.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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alexei sayle
Yeah. ah But it's it's a very exciting, hope. I think we're going to do it in that rather than the bar, we're going to do it in the the the yeah the theatre space, aren't we so
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, the main room. Yeah, we're gonna have nothing.
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alexei sayle
So yeah, people, get down there, see us in person, find out I really do exist. i'm not I'm not but and a figment of your imagination. I'm not the Baba Yaa, the boogeyman.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Baba Yaga.
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alexei sayle
Baba Yaga, is it? Is that from John Wick? Yeah. Alfie Allen's playing a Russian.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes.
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alexei sayle
um Very fond of Alfie, but not one of his finest performances.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No, he was all right.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, no, he was fine.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
he was He was very very good about at being pathetic and and a whingy little stroppy teenager.
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alexei sayle
I don't know why being horrible about Alfie.
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alexei sayle
Yeah. No, he did get that. Yeah. He did. He did. He did do that very well. Yeah. What's John Wick?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And the he's in SAS Rogue Heroes, which was penned by Ben McIntyre, who did the siege book that my dad is a character in.
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alexei sayle
Baba Yaga, the boogeyman.
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alexei sayle
Yes.
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alexei sayle
Yes.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's all connected, everybody.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, everything. Oh, podcast.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Hey, mentioning the Patreon, remember, we've got 330 paid members of the Patreon currently.
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alexei sayle
That's a lot, isn't it? And this, when you could be giving your money to any cunt on the internet, I value your contribution, really, because it's not like, you know, it says, yeah, yeah, I love you people.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's very touching.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um I just, yeah, thank you so much.
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alexei sayle
I love you crazy nerds.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um It means so much.
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alexei sayle
that's from That's from Pitch Perfect, by the way.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh.
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alexei sayle
I love you awesome nerds. It's from Pitch Perfect 1, I think. Anyway, sorry, go on.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I just want to give it yeah yeah much love to you all. The chat, the lovely chat room in the Patreon has been popping off and I thought I'd throw some things at you, Alexi.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, let's do it. Let's go for it
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
First off, ah Mark, who you who you said should write for The Guardian ah as a film writer, he's he's ah it's made his day hearing that.
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alexei sayle
o
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah
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alexei sayle
it.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
He writes for a website called The Geek Show and he appears on their Pop Screen podcast.
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alexei sayle
All right.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They have a podcast called Pop screen. Mark is a really good film writer. um The closest he's ever got to writing film reviews for print media was when the Morning Star asked him to be their film critic, which sounded like a dream job.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But when they told him they couldn't pay him, he told them to fuck off. ah Which is...
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alexei sayle
I suppose, yes. that's a problem I mean, you probably get into screen. I mean, not that that's, the I mean, it used to be at least you got into screenings, really. You know, you'd see films in advance if you're a film critic.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah. Oh yeah, that's true.
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alexei sayle
But, yeah, i don't know whether that still happens.
00:15:33.54
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You'd get a press advantages of being oppressed.
00:15:37.17
alexei sayle
But, yeah, they should pay, shouldn't they, really?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um
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alexei sayle
Everything should pay. You know, it's not right.
00:15:43.65
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Nemo said, it's true, quick change wasn't that good, but it did have some good things in it.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Reminded him or reminded them of Scorsese's After Hours because it's New York centred.
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alexei sayle
Yes, yes. Well, that is again, that is a time lock film, yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um it says keep them coming they don't have to always be good they don't have to stand the test of time that's part of the whole process uh dr nick brilliant sandwich bar series so well crafted love the mention of one of his bugbears celebrities writing shit kids books even even badil got in on that that's
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alexei sayle
No, no.
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alexei sayle
Thank you.
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alexei sayle
but yes They're all shit. They're all the same as well.
00:16:25.55
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
He wants to start the Walliams Awards for shit children's authors. What do think of that?
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alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I don't know.
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alexei sayle
Ricky Gilles.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Baddiel did It was... Little git.
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alexei sayle
Baddiel. Williams. Yeah. They all fucking did it. I think was somebody. I don't Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And then Mark came at me with this, which I went and watched. Stumbled across a 1996 animated public information film.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
called Moonlighters, which Alexei does the narration for.
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alexei sayle
That's right. Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's about the perils of kids playing with lighters.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Do you remember it, Alexei?
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alexei sayle
I do vaguely. I don't know why, but yeah, I do.
00:17:08.65
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I've written a little quiz for to see how much you remember.
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alexei sayle
I don't.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Moonlighters, 1996. On which celestial body is the film located?
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alexei sayle
Oh, thought it was on Earth. don't know. I've completely forgotten it then.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No, it was set on the moon, Alexei.
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alexei sayle
it sat on the moon? All right.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah. um What are the names of the two protagonists?
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alexei sayle
Oh, fuck if I know.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They're called Biblock and Hoblock. They're aliens.
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alexei sayle
Okay. probably ah somebody's for It's probably now written you written by a young Jesse Armstrong or something. He went on to do succession.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's actually quite good animation.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
cook Clever ideas in there. What dangerous item did they find on the surface of the moon, Alexei?
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alexei sayle
Firelighter.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
A lighter. Yes.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
One point.
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alexei sayle
ah thought it was about fireworks. Okay.
00:17:58.24
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Which of the two characters, Biblock and hemp Hoblock, went out at night and grabbed the lighter and accidentally burnt the moon city down?
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alexei sayle
Well, it's 50-50, isn't I'm going to say Hoblock.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah. Correct. It's Hoblock. Well done, man.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And then finally, what was the warning Hoblock gave his little sister every day thereafter?
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alexei sayle
Don't follow leaders, watch a bug immediately. ah
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No, he told her never play with lighters.
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alexei sayle
Never play with lights.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Very nice. Three and a half minutes long.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, that's that Bobby Chariot line, isn't it?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah
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alexei sayle
I got a a box of matches the other day. It said on it, keep away from children. thought, how do they know about that? That's written by Gremlin and Arthur Matthews in case you blame me for it.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Very good line.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, it's a very good line.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um There's a link to the video in the Patreon chat. Thanks, Mark, for sharing that. It's a really cool little video. And it reminded me of the one when when I was a kid. that There's always every generation has their don't play with fire film, right?
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Mine, I wonder if anyone can find this one. Mine was about a firefly whose bum didn't glow like all his mates.
00:19:16.44
alexei sayle
right.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And he was sad because his bum didn't turn on. And so he used a match. And ended up burning down the whole forest and then got punished for it.
00:19:26.26
alexei sayle
Oh, shit.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Similar to Hoblock.
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alexei sayle
Oh, shit. Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
He burned down the whole city. Such dramatic outcomes.
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alexei sayle
Yeah. Shit.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What was yours when you were a kid?
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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alexei sayle
I don't know. there was well there was There was a lot of stuff about which featured Jimmy Savile, which was a warning on many different levels. um
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Keep away from children.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, and there was the Green Cross Code with them but what became Darth Vader, of course, the guy played Darth Vader. um
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, the Welsh dude.
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alexei sayle
that was and Was he Welsh?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What's the fuck's his name? Yeah, Alan.
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alexei sayle
ah so Yeah, he there was him. but That was Stone Cross the Road, yeah. um But, ah yeah, that's right, Dave Prowse.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
He was a bodybuilder, wasn't he? Dave Prowse, there you
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alexei sayle
Yeah. um But, yeah, I think i because I did so many voiceovers around about that time, I don't know whether I did that for free or for, you know, sort of community service. I mean, I wasn't doing community service. But, um you know, I think I probably did it cheap or something.
00:20:31.80
alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um
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alexei sayle
No, but I do remember doing it, which is not true of a lot, you know, a certain amount stuff I've done.
00:20:40.51
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
well you can watch it on tvarc.org called Moonlighters it's quality it's really good it's very just pure nostalgia injection as well fucking cool yeah
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alexei sayle
done by like Aardman or somebody, wasn't it? It's probably done by some future Oscar winners.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah Some cool creative ideas in there, like I said.
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alexei sayle
Yeah, or by some guy who's not very, very bitter. Because his his animation that was the peak of his animation career. One or the other.
00:21:14.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and Okay. ah ah Paul says, ah Sandwich Bar is this week's Radio 4 Comedy of the Week podcast. Yeah, that's good.
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alexei sayle
Yes. Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Mm-mm-mm.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, that's about it from the Patreon chat. Thanks so much, guys. um And yeah, as I said, when we hit 500 patrons, maybe 450, we might let you off, but we are going to do a live streamed episode where we're going to let you, the listeners at home, join going to do strangers on a podcast, basically.
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alexei sayle
Yeah.
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alexei sayle
right.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What do you think of that? Yeah, they're goingnna have them join the stream, their faces if they want, or they can turn their cameras off and they can talk to you and you can have a chat with.
00:21:52.22
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:21:59.24
alexei sayle
Okay, yeah.
00:21:59.41
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
random members of the public, which you've gotten good at.
00:22:02.38
alexei sayle
Excellent. Yeah, better. Better. Yeah, no that's a good idea. And so you want, let's to take a darker turn now.
00:22:14.51
alexei sayle
You wanted to talk about Syria.
00:22:16.26
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, I've been doing a lot of chatting. Is there a topic you wanted to bring up?
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alexei sayle
Well, I don't know.
00:22:22.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, if I may, yeah, I just wanted to have a short word on on Syria, a topic which hasn't come up in a few weeks um here on the podcast.
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alexei sayle
Where? Yes.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um
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alexei sayle
Where's your family from?
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
My mum's family from Damascus, my dad's family is from Latakia on the coast and that's, they're not Alawite, but that's where, yeah, a lot of the recent violence has been reported.
00:22:44.53
alexei sayle
But they're not Alawites.
00:22:49.88
alexei sayle
Yeah.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
so in case anyone was wondering because you know there's been a couple of silly comments um on our youtube um which make me feel like i should mention it that's all so sorry for bringing it up but um some people going oh what do you think of your precious leader now and all that kind of thing i never made a firm stance either way um
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alexei sayle
Joe. Yeah.
00:23:17.23
alexei sayle
yeah
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Obviously, it's really difficult to watch and it's heartbreaking um seeing violence erupting again in Syria when everything was so hopeful. um I do, however, just need to, i think it's important that we take the reporting we're seeing with a pinch of salt, with a critical eye, because there are a lot of people out there who don't want violence.
00:23:45.54
alexei sayle
Mm-hmm.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
what's happening. I don't want Syria to work. They want chaos. They want there to be
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
violence. And
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alexei sayle
Mm-hmm.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
so I've tried really hard to have to read up on and what's actually been happening because I think there has been a lot of propaganda about what's happened.
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um And I think well i the conversation i've i've been the conversations I've been having is like, it it's not logical for this current leadership to incite violence and sectarianism on this level because their main agenda right now is to get the fucking sanctions dropped on Syria.
00:24:39.95
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So where's the logic there? what Why would they fucking do this?
00:24:44.17
alexei sayle
There's somebody, I mean, somebody shot somebody, didn't they? I mean, I don't know what, I mean, in the attack yet, going by the video evidence.
00:24:51.35
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, there were also, yeah, and there were, violence was incited. ah
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
i think you there is evidence pointing at it, not, it's been started by the ah people pro-Assad or people who trying to incite chaos in the region.
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alexei sayle
Mm-hmm.
00:25:11.62
alexei sayle
Mm-hmm.
00:25:12.08
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And Iranian and Israeli influences and Russian, um
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Attacking the fucking government forces and that.
00:25:21.59
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:25:21.72
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And I think there have been individuals who have taken shit into their own hands and gone out and done revenge killings and really awful stuff. There have been a lot of arrests made. ah The government has opened a investigation. I think it's well in into its... It's been like a week now. They've they've investigated these events.
00:25:42.83
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
there are There has been proven a lot of the footage we've seen is like from separate things from years ago, from different.
00:25:48.60
alexei sayle
Right.
00:25:50.12
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Some of it is there's been some AI generated imagery that has been thrown out there. So there are forces out there trying to make it look worse than it is.
00:25:59.65
alexei sayle
Right.
00:26:01.18
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There has obviously been awful happenings in
00:26:03.93
alexei sayle
Yeah, you can, I mean, yeah, well, we'll see. I mean, more, I mean, interestingly, ah though and that the Kurdish forces in Rojava, which this podcast is twinned with, have agreed to merge their forces into the Syrian government.
00:26:20.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Exactly. Yes.
00:26:23.58
alexei sayle
That's a bit, you'd think.
00:26:23.85
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There's been so much action. Thank you, Alexei. There's been so much action since that the government has done that counters what we're seeing.
00:26:26.09
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:26:31.66
alexei sayle
Mm.
00:26:32.07
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Making pacts, shaking hands, doing ah ah contracts with sects, with Christians, with Druze, with the kurd Kurdish people, as you as you said,
00:26:42.47
alexei sayle
Mm.
00:26:46.25
alexei sayle
Mm.
00:26:48.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah making it constitutional equality and security for these people. Um, all, all Syrians are Syrians.
00:26:59.06
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Like there is no, the minorities there are in their millions.
00:26:59.24
alexei sayle
o
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Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's not like there's just tiny little sections of them. It's the minorities.
00:27:06.18
alexei sayle
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:27:07.04
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There are huge swathes of the public. Um, I just don't see the fucking logic as to, um, why the government would be doing this. I think there is something fishy going on, man.
00:27:21.14
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But there are also, there clearly has been something horrible happened that the these government forces, maybe acting independently, have done stuff or maybe being instructed by their government. I can't say for sure. This is why I'm struggling so hard to talk about it. But...
00:27:35.82
alexei sayle
Are
00:27:38.71
alexei sayle
but you talking people on the ground there or just read stuff?
00:27:41.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I've been talking to family. I've been talking online with people who are reporting on this.
00:27:43.46
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:27:48.45
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um
00:27:50.11
alexei sayle
Where else would you get this on a podcast? You get fucking better reporting than fucking Sky.
00:27:57.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There's a report called Dania Al-Assadi. ah She's been trying to call out fake information. So this is not me saying that these government forces' hands are clean. I'm sure there's been horrible acts occurring.
00:28:07.60
alexei sayle
No, well, there people are traumatized by, you know, I mean, you know, yeah.
00:28:12.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But and some of the videos I've seen are so horrible and hard to so hard to watch. But they're not what do you call it certified? They're not.
00:28:21.42
alexei sayle
Yeah, I don't know how you can, but I mean, yeah.
00:28:25.00
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um
00:28:28.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So I'll just read out a couple of bits. So this is.
00:28:33.28
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Or should I or should we just call it there? I don't know.
00:28:35.56
alexei sayle
I don't know.
00:28:36.48
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and
00:28:40.70
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So the one argument is, one argument, some people are reporting that it's Iran-backed militias and Assad loyalists china regained control trying to trying incite chaos. um
00:28:54.47
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But the new government recently have been pushing for justice and accountability for the horrible crimes that have been happening in Syria over the past decades. And this has triggered ISIS.
00:29:05.93
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Assad loyalists to fight back and do and to incite sectarian violence.
00:29:11.08
alexei sayle
Okay.
00:29:11.42
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um
00:29:14.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And external forces are meddling to reshape Syria's future future to their advantage.
00:29:17.33
alexei sayle
God, that's certainly true. Since Israel just said that.
00:29:20.03
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So there's a lot of people who don't want Syria to succeed, who don't want this revolution to succeed.
00:29:22.09
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:29:25.00
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
A lot of media spin the media's as seem to be propaganda is flooding social media, twisting the facts. False claims about the clashes are being spread to undermine the new leadership. I'm reading from Dania Al-Assadi's Instagram account, by the way.
00:29:43.39
alexei sayle
Right.
00:29:43.98
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Who benefits? Those who want chaos, not change. ah Why accountability is critical. Syrians are demanding justice. The government must prove it is serious about dismantling the old regime's power.
00:29:57.19
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Without real consequences, history will repeat itself.
00:30:02.14
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So the fight isn't just on the battlefield, it's for the narrative, the future and Syria's sovereignty. and
00:30:11.34
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And yet they have acted fast. After these reports, they have gone out and seeked accords with the SDF.
00:30:18.34
alexei sayle
Right. And they're good. Clever fuckers, the SDF. ah I can't see that they would go into alliance with the Syrian government if it wasn't, you know, on the up and up, really, because they're very reluctant to give away their military power.
00:30:36.30
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It was really and ah yeah it was a ah drop of fresh air and hope to see that happening.
00:30:43.36
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:30:44.83
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And a big kind of fuck you to Turkey who hates Kurdish people and they do horrible things.
00:30:47.46
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:30:51.44
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
All Syrians... are equal Syrians and should be and anything wrong that is done to any sect or minority in Syria, I do not approve of. And I do not approve any of these mindless and horrible killings and murders.
00:31:08.07
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
If they were true, ah it's it's horrible, no matter who it's happening to. And yet to think and just the idea that some people, there are people out there who hate all the Alawites because ah sad this Assad is Alawite and They think any Alawite is a bad... That's bullshit.
00:31:24.54
alexei sayle
All
00:31:26.35
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and
00:31:28.53
alexei sayle
right, we'll leave it there.
00:31:29.12
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah. and And the new Syrians are very pro-Palestine as well. like
00:31:33.39
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, I mean, that is a, yeah.
00:31:34.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
People forget how much Assad hated and and did so much against Palestine. And Palestinian refugees in Syria and that.
00:31:42.51
alexei sayle
Yes, I mean, he obviously was.
00:31:42.71
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But yeah, a lot of the footage out there is fake, man. Or like from other events.
00:31:47.91
alexei sayle
Yeah, i mean I mean, Assad did, I mean, it's not it was a terrible regime, but um they did kind of allow the funneling of arms to Hezbollah, if you whether you think that's a good thing or not, really, they did.
00:31:49.21
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Be careful.
00:32:00.71
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, fuck Hezbollah as well.
00:32:00.97
alexei sayle
Ooh.
00:32:02.92
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They didn't like Palestine either.
00:32:05.88
alexei sayle
Really?
00:32:06.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah. They used to fucking murder Palestinian refugees. They hated the refugees in Lebanon, Palestinians.
00:32:13.36
alexei sayle
I didn't know that.
00:32:13.38
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hezbollah aren't nice.
00:32:14.15
alexei sayle
It's controversial.
00:32:14.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They're fucking cunts as well.
00:32:18.08
alexei sayle
Oh, you're going to get, o we're going to get some earache.
00:32:20.32
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Don't give a fuck. No, fuck Hezbollah. I don't think we should make them out to be saints or freedom fighters in the way that we think they are. The Middle East is complicated, man.
00:32:29.92
alexei sayle
No.
00:32:31.22
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And there are...
00:32:32.17
alexei sayle
Yeah. You hear that Yvette Cooper say, we're saying, fuck Hezbollah, don't arrest us.
00:32:40.21
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Anyone who murders innocents, threatens, cuts off food and and water to people are evil cunts, man.
00:32:49.20
alexei sayle
well Okay,
00:32:50.12
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And that includes Hezbollah. I'm sorry.
00:32:54.63
alexei sayle
well, we'll get some earache for this.
00:32:54.93
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah. Don't give a shit. I'm the Arab. I'm the Arab here.
00:32:58.69
alexei sayle
It's not your podcast.
00:33:01.49
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
All right, sorry. Well, that's me speaking, not Alexei, but I don't give fuck. I'm the Arab here, so come at me.
00:33:06.60
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, you have a... Not just Arab, but Syrian, you have to you have the moral high ground.
00:33:11.97
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah. Hezbollah were worked with Assad.
00:33:16.47
alexei sayle
Well, it's complicated, isn't it? tell me I mean, don't think, you know.
00:33:20.54
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hezbollah worked with Assad. They helped put so Syrian cities under siege. They put Palestinian refugee camps under siege. Hezbollah are no friends of Palestine. They're just also enemies of Israel.
00:33:31.94
alexei sayle
Yes.
00:33:34.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And they're evil, extremist, religious fucking maniacs.
00:33:34.97
alexei sayle
Anywho.
00:33:39.32
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Anywho.
00:33:39.60
alexei sayle
Oh, no, going to get the extreme.
00:33:41.80
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No, we're not going to get anything.
00:33:42.51
alexei sayle
These maniacs are going to come after us now.
00:33:46.06
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, right.
00:33:46.35
alexei sayle
Oh, um oh
00:33:46.46
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
00:33:51.85
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, grow up, baby.
00:33:53.66
alexei sayle
oh I don't want to be targeted by anybody. I don't want I was of trouble with the Zionists, and now you're getting me home um What we talk about now...
00:34:13.07
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Whatever you want I've done enough talking. People hate me already. I don't want to talk anymore.
00:34:17.90
alexei sayle
There is one guy on the and the YouTube commentary does dislike you, isn't
00:34:23.25
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
00:34:25.84
alexei sayle
he? But he likes me.
00:34:29.72
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah
00:34:29.94
alexei sayle
um
00:34:30.41
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What do you think of that?
00:34:31.50
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:34:32.15
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What do you have to say to him, Alexi?
00:34:33.71
alexei sayle
no I don't know. a complicated world.
00:34:39.23
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You're not going to defend my honor?
00:34:45.99
alexei sayle
No, no, I will. No.
00:34:50.29
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No, after all, I just did.
00:34:50.42
alexei sayle
No.
00:34:52.98
alexei sayle
No. Years ago, ah we went for dinner with Billy Connolly in my Hollywood years in the Dome on Sunset Boulevard and spent a lot of time slagging off.
00:35:07.19
alexei sayle
Muriel Gray, you know, because she'd come part because she's Scottish, but also because she'd, it was probably before your time, but she'd been rude to Mick Jagger on the tube, Julian Temple.
00:35:17.71
alexei sayle
so And afterwards, I told Muriel when I got back, and she said, so you defended me? I said, fuck no.
00:35:27.67
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Right.
00:35:30.79
alexei sayle
I'm like, ooh, I'll put that bit out.
00:35:31.44
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So there's a pattern there.
00:35:33.57
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:35:36.30
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
God, listeners, you might be witnessing the dismantling of the Alexis L podcast.
00:35:38.22
alexei sayle
Yeah, this is... Yeah, feet of clay. i wasn't going to... Why would you bother arguing, Billy Connolly? You paid for dinner.
00:35:51.79
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, this this commenter hasn't paid for your dinner.
00:35:51.86
alexei sayle
ah
00:35:55.04
alexei sayle
No, fucking... Yeah, you leave Talal alone. Fuck off. Leave him alone, you fucking bastard.
00:36:04.09
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, fuck him.
00:36:04.19
alexei sayle
Or bastards. I'm backing my boy. so what you want to hear?
00:36:09.79
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No, it didn't feel very good. don't give him I don't want to give him any airtime. um I might even cut that out.
00:36:16.60
alexei sayle
yeah we might cut this off. It's not working, this bit, is it, really? um So what else should we talk about?
00:36:25.26
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I watched Keen Eddie last night.
00:36:25.49
alexei sayle
ah
00:36:26.86
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's on YouTube.
00:36:28.79
alexei sayle
it?
00:36:29.41
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
00:36:29.95
alexei sayle
What did you think?
00:36:30.86
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Gave me a headache.
00:36:32.61
alexei sayle
Yes, it's awful. what you mean?
00:36:34.86
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
00:36:35.83
alexei sayle
I mean, the first two episodes... when I'm in it, are better than the healthy episodes when I'm not in it.
00:36:43.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There are qualities in there, but he's, it's just so stylized and it's over overly stylized, like so many jump cuts, edits, flashbacks, sound effects, incessant music, weird closeups and like, uh,
00:36:47.75
alexei sayle
Is it? Right.
00:37:01.22
alexei sayle
I don't know if ever watched it, to be honest.
00:37:03.42
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
it's It's very, star and it's like very 90s, like attempting to be overly, overly stylized.
00:37:10.17
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:37:12.42
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I don't know what it was about this the 90s that made, you know that, you know that weird advert that's like, you wouldn't steal a car. do do do do do do do You wouldn't steal someone's handbag.
00:37:23.70
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
doo do do do do do And it just keeps editing, jumping around.
00:37:26.53
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:37:27.86
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And then at the end it goes, well, why would you steal a film? Why would you pirate a film? Piracy is wrong.
00:37:31.94
alexei sayle
All right, yeah.
00:37:32.50
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah. It was like a 45 minute version of that.
00:37:35.39
alexei sayle
Really, okay.
00:37:38.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Um, but you were funny in it. You were very good.
00:37:40.59
alexei sayle
ah
00:37:41.82
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Um,
00:37:41.84
alexei sayle
Yeah. You couldn't see why they dropped me after show two, it really.
00:37:45.81
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Haven't got to episode two. Well, although, yeah, you betray him in the No, actually, you have a really, really sweet arc. Turns out your wife's like dead and you wanted to bury her in Spain and they thought you were trying to run away to Spain.
00:37:53.40
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:37:58.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And you have a very sweet moment at the end.
00:37:59.96
alexei sayle
Really? I don't remember that.
00:38:02.84
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
and ah Spoilers.
00:38:03.52
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:38:04.38
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But I don't know how you end up in episode two, because at the end of episode one, you fuck off to Spain.
00:38:09.92
alexei sayle
I really, I don't know, it was so important that they brought me back for episode two and then they dropped me.
00:38:13.21
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There we go.
00:38:17.08
alexei sayle
It was a whole weird, remember Simon West, he's kind of flash guy, he was planning to open a racing track and kind of hotel resort in the south of France.
00:38:31.31
alexei sayle
Is that screaming coming from me or from you?
00:38:33.39
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
From you.
00:38:33.45
alexei sayle
All right, it must be child in the street. Um, I said, oh, yeah, I'd be interested in that, Simon. I could kick in like 10 grand. And he said, no, was thinking more of a million.
00:38:46.84
alexei sayle
ah
00:38:49.43
alexei sayle
I said, well, not really.
00:38:53.94
alexei sayle
um Well, we can keep this Keen Eddie. No need to remember. We need to leave Keen Eddie there. We can return to it in various weeks. There's a weird MacGuffin.
00:39:02.00
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
00:39:03.22
alexei sayle
You know MacGuffin is?
00:39:05.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
00:39:06.59
alexei sayle
It's the thing that, you know, that it's like, you know, the fucking rings in Lord of the Rings or, you know, it's it's it's the thing that people are looking for, yeah.
00:39:12.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, like a physical plot device kind of thing.
00:39:17.33
alexei sayle
There's a very weird MacGuffin in episode two.
00:39:23.17
alexei sayle
I'll just say that.
00:39:23.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh. Okay, we'll leave that there. I can't believe he went on to do click Con Air the following year.
00:39:29.03
alexei sayle
Now he'd already dunk on it.
00:39:31.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, must have already filmed it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:32.07
alexei sayle
Yeah, he'd already dunk on it. I'd seen it, I think, by the time I...
00:39:37.31
alexei sayle
I see one of the reasons I i did it really.
00:39:39.84
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You can... His style... Con Air, there's a lot of of Keen Eddie and Con Air, like his style of shooting and editing.
00:39:48.95
alexei sayle
My connet works.
00:39:49.04
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But Keen Eddie just, it's it's if you believe it or not, it's turned up to 11.
00:39:50.30
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:39:54.41
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's like Con Air on crack.
00:39:54.41
alexei sayle
Right.
00:39:57.91
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:39:59.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's wild.
00:40:00.19
alexei sayle
Okay.
00:40:01.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, okay.
00:40:01.92
alexei sayle
Well, we can return to that. People can watch it on YouTube apparently.
00:40:09.52
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yep.
00:40:10.37
alexei sayle
What else is there then to talk about in the world?
00:40:11.30
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh gosh.
00:40:13.98
alexei sayle
There's not much going on.
00:40:15.78
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Some people got really angry at my analysis of why film stars are sexier now that I said last week.
00:40:23.35
alexei sayle
Really? God, you're freaking... You're affecting my...
00:40:26.10
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
People are angry with me.
00:40:28.36
alexei sayle
Really? don't know whether you than me.
00:40:30.09
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But it was kind of fun.
00:40:30.60
alexei sayle
Right.
00:40:31.21
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
This was a bit more fun. You know, criticism is like we had back and forth.
00:40:34.53
alexei sayle
Right.
00:40:35.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But yeah, I spoke with a lot of authority.
00:40:38.71
alexei sayle
but What are you saying?
00:40:38.77
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
on ah
00:40:39.95
alexei sayle
Because they're all buff now, you think, because it's a technical thing, because lenses are more...
00:40:45.82
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Partly, yeah, I think ah censorship got more lax and cameras got better and screens got better.
00:40:51.69
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:54.37
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um And I said that I think people were hung up on the fact that I said film actors used to be ugly. And I used Humphrey Bogart and as as an example.
00:41:03.05
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:41:03.64
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I know that there were handsome film actors. I'm not.
00:41:05.96
alexei sayle
yeah
00:41:06.62
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I know that Marilyn Monroe and Clark Gable and all that, but I don't think they were built like Chris Hemsworth.
00:41:12.49
alexei sayle
No.
00:41:13.44
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But and yeah, I know that there used to be ugly actors.
00:41:14.65
alexei sayle
it's is yeah i mean, it's an awful, yeah. I mean, now you have to spend all the time in the fucking gym, don't you?
00:41:17.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Handsome.
00:41:19.85
alexei sayle
If you want to be a movie star, really.
00:41:22.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes. think body standards and beauty standards have changed so much.
00:41:27.38
alexei sayle
so if you're in the Back in the day, you could just be drunk all the time, couldn't
00:41:31.87
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They were drunk all the time and smoking all the time and eating shit and doing coke in between takes.
00:41:35.38
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:38.34
alexei sayle
Yeah. yeah
00:41:40.72
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um Um, and their lifespans were like half of our life, ah life expectancy.
00:41:46.61
alexei sayle
There is that.
00:41:48.46
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah
00:41:48.81
alexei sayle
Yes, I remember going around the Hollywood... The Hollywood Cemetery is actually behind Paramount Studios, the old-timey studios, which is actually in Hollywood.
00:42:00.31
alexei sayle
And the the you can see the water tower, the famous Paramount Water Tower from Hollywood.
00:42:05.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
oh
00:42:05.53
alexei sayle
I was just shocked by how young everybody is... In there, all the movie stars are terribly young. Most of them, a lot of them.
00:42:17.28
alexei sayle
I always used contrast that with the painters. Like if you went to Paris last year's where all the great painters are buried in Paris, that they all live really long time. And I said that was, I thought to theorise that was partly because they're working. It's a kind of physically demanding but kind of energetic thing to be a painter, you know.
00:42:38.66
alexei sayle
And then you would sit down have a sandwich at lunch and listen to Editor 4. And, ah you know, you're convivial and you're part of a kind of, you know. And whereas these movie stars just seem to live these terrible lives and die die very young, really.
00:42:57.72
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
00:43:00.22
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They have a expectation to live these debauched lifestyles.
00:43:00.56
alexei sayle
um Yeah.
00:43:05.90
alexei sayle
Well, so do artists, but they seem to... but so A lot of them anyway, too.
00:43:13.14
alexei sayle
Live longer.
00:43:16.22
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's fucking hailing.
00:43:16.39
alexei sayle
That was just my...
00:43:17.04
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Today is really weird. It was snowing earlier.
00:43:21.03
alexei sayle
Yes.
00:43:22.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And then there's a big crack of lightning.
00:43:22.03
alexei sayle
Got caught in it. Yeah.
00:43:25.74
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
lightning right out It was like the closest I've ever seen a bolt of lightning.
00:43:31.78
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Right outside my flat.
00:43:32.05
alexei sayle
Yes.
00:43:33.30
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And then rain And now it's hailing like a motherfucker.
00:43:37.42
alexei sayle
That's the hail. We had that about an hour ago. travelled over to you now.
00:43:44.70
alexei sayle
I can't believe people are going to want to listen to this, just talking about the weather.
00:43:47.60
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No.
00:43:49.07
alexei sayle
It's a new low, isn't it, really?
00:43:49.18
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What's Ooh. what's next
00:43:53.80
alexei sayle
ah Well, we've done all my... so It's a blitz, isn't it? It's Alexis out blitz, isn't it? Celebrity Antiques Road Trip and then... sandwich bar, fill your boots, because I'm probably I haven't got anything. That's it. Now haven't got anything in the, in the pipeline.
00:44:10.66
alexei sayle
There may be a project next year. I better not talk about it yet, but there's, we're working on something.
00:44:16.10
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah who
00:44:16.60
alexei sayle
Um, ah there's a book here.
00:44:17.91
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And your book. You got your book.
00:44:19.99
alexei sayle
That'll be out. Yeah. There's that. um so we could come through, we could,
00:44:29.23
alexei sayle
movie. movie choices we could do or things we've watched on the telly. I haven't read it yet. I'm quite enjoying Call Millie Black.
00:44:43.30
alexei sayle
um
00:44:45.64
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
quoi?
00:44:46.55
alexei sayle
it's ah It's a sort of detective thing set in sets in Jamaica. With some idea to compare him with Death in Paradise, which is really stupid. just because they're both set in the Caribbean.
00:45:00.44
alexei sayle
It's okay. I mean, it suffers from flaws of all detective stuff, really. But it's interesting. Based on the Marlon James book, a prize-winning author, Marlon James, short story.
00:45:16.10
alexei sayle
yeah,
00:45:19.91
alexei sayle
that's quite interesting. Has there been anything else?
00:45:22.45
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Who's in it?
00:45:23.20
alexei sayle
Eh?
00:45:23.54
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And where's it airing?
00:45:23.60
alexei sayle
Eh?
00:45:25.22
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's called Millie Black.
00:45:25.45
alexei sayle
It's on ah Channel 4.
00:45:31.18
alexei sayle
Call Millie Black, it's called.
00:45:35.43
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Okay, I'll give that a look.
00:45:36.42
alexei sayle
Um...
00:45:41.85
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um I'll tell you what, I've got an email here from Fliss. Hi, Alexi and Talal. I'm really excited to have the immense sandwich bar back.
00:45:55.13
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Our household has been looking forward to its return.
00:45:59.46
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um they're They're eking it out weekly rather than binging
00:46:03.54
alexei sayle
m
00:46:04.14
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It must be savored. Genuinely a much needed voice in this wilderness.
00:46:08.89
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:46:09.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
i thought I thought I'd email with some possible new themes slash guest ideas. Not that you're short on brilliant content, which I thought is an apt time to read this.
00:46:19.52
alexei sayle
Oh, she got it's go she's got a shock coming her way after this one.
00:46:26.80
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I feel it would be great and valuable to see disabled socialist voices in the mix.
00:46:33.42
alexei sayle
Yeah, sure. Does she have any in mind? Okay.
00:46:36.62
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I interviewed Penny Pepper a few years back. She's written memoirs about her 80s youth and socialist and disabled activism.
00:46:41.24
alexei sayle
Sure.
00:46:47.19
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
She's got a great wit and also is a punk poet.
00:46:51.12
alexei sayle
okay
00:46:51.49
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
think you'd have a lot to talk about.
00:46:53.54
alexei sayle
sure
00:46:56.85
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
The burning issue could be discussed with DPAC, Disabled People Against Cuts campaigners.
00:47:02.37
alexei sayle
Well, that's, oh, Jesus, yeah, we want, i mean, fucking hell, what's going on with the Labour Party? It's like their covert right-wing collection of neo-Nazis. Wink.
00:47:13.80
alexei sayle
um You know, blimey, they're really revealing their true colours, aren't they, with their attacks on welfare state?
00:47:23.10
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, what was the big cut that was...
00:47:25.92
alexei sayle
They're going to cut personally. Well, they're going to just bankrupt. There's a report, I think, anyway, that said that our welfare system is the worst after Slovenia or just before Slovenia, I'm not quite sure which.
00:47:40.19
alexei sayle
But I know pensions, for instance, in and in Spain are much more generous than here. um and But even so, it's supposed to be a tremendous burden on the, um you know, so that all all welfare payments need to be stopped so we can spend the money on weapons.
00:47:54.42
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Right, yeah. And did you see Sakir Starmer's announcement today?
00:48:02.14
alexei sayle
What's he doing today?
00:48:02.69
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
About the NHS.
00:48:03.77
alexei sayle
Oh, about the NHS. Yes, I don't know.
00:48:04.89
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They're going to axe NHS England.
00:48:07.45
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:48:08.20
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And on the surface, it it does look like a decent idea to the management the put the management of the and NHS back into the hands of ah government workers and stuff.
00:48:14.43
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:48:21.67
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:48:22.71
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But...
00:48:25.19
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Considering West st Streeting is our health secretary and it's Keir Starmer, the biggest sellout we've ever seen in 10 Downing Street, there's obviously a big fish somewhere, right?
00:48:30.70
alexei sayle
Yeah, they're up to something.
00:48:36.23
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:48:37.83
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What do you think?
00:48:38.06
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Don't be fooled. They're up to something, people. I don't know what it is yet, but you'll hear it first. News from Syria.
00:48:51.05
alexei sayle
and and Entertainment news. And our eye on the Labour Party. Oh, you thought of something.
00:48:58.42
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No, finish your thought.
00:48:59.38
alexei sayle
Oh.
00:48:59.89
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
00:49:00.68
alexei sayle
I am the Labour Party. I am the Labour Party segment. They're a bunch of bastards.
00:49:09.87
alexei sayle
Hello?
00:49:11.06
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Mate, we've had correspondence about your family history, your lineage.
00:49:11.91
alexei sayle
What?
00:49:14.72
alexei sayle
Oh, shit! In hell, fucking hell, we've been...
00:49:16.36
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Why are we waiting till minute 50 to bring this up?
00:49:17.28
alexei sayle
who Fucking... Yeah, shit. Oh, that was fascinating. You must thank that guy for doing that. Yeah. God, what's wrong with us?
00:49:27.66
alexei sayle
Honestly.
00:49:30.55
alexei sayle
Yeah, I mean, it's, true I mean, it's, it's I mean, it actually, I mean, it sort of, it proves that my mother was telling the truth, really, that, you know, that they, that we were from where she said we were from and that they lived in Crown Street.
00:49:46.21
alexei sayle
And um yeah, but it's, it's, right.
00:49:48.74
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Mate, the one I sent you was the latest thing I received, ah but it started with, I think this was the first one.
00:49:53.44
alexei sayle
Right.
00:49:58.06
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um No, this was first one. Philip reached out, got there first. um So big up, Philip's, for being first past the post.
00:50:08.54
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Hi there.
00:50:08.89
alexei sayle
yeah
00:50:10.16
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I got a bit carried away after the podcast, and by stitching together various records from Find My Past,
00:50:17.90
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It looks like Molly Malka Mendelsohn is machinist flag maker in 1939. Had mater...
00:50:26.69
alexei sayle
Yes, she was.
00:50:27.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
00:50:28.03
alexei sayle
ah think she tried to organize a strike. She made flags. She tried to organize a strike to sabotage the war effort. but Yes, that's what she did.
00:50:37.07
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, good on her, Molly. had met She had maternal grandparents, David and Sarah Tropp.
00:50:43.44
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:50:44.19
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
who were both listed in the 1911 census as born in Grodus goal, Grodus goal, Russia in the 1850s. No idea where that maps to today. David was a traveling.
00:50:58.38
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
David was a traveling coal dealer and they were living at 170 crown street, Liverpool. Molly's father's family seems to have dodged paperwork as much as possible.
00:51:05.54
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:51:09.07
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No idea what the story is there.
00:51:09.96
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:51:10.84
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So that was Philip. Um,
00:51:13.27
alexei sayle
So that that was my mother's father's parents were from Grodd or wherever it was, Belarus.
00:51:19.15
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yes.
00:51:21.39
alexei sayle
But he was...
00:51:21.67
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Grodus Goal, Russia.
00:51:21.71
alexei sayle
was he goods scott Yeah.
00:51:23.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You think that's Belarus now?
00:51:25.22
alexei sayle
I think I read some works in Belarus now, but...
00:51:29.18
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And then we had Chris reach in. Hello, chaps. This is Chris. Had a little look. I don't know giving you a voice. Had a little look at Alexei's family tree. haven't spent too much time because I'm sure others will have also done so. You're right, Chris.
00:51:47.37
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Grandfather, Vilnius.
00:51:52.30
alexei sayle
which is in Lithuania, right?
00:51:52.35
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Grandfather.
00:51:55.96
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Russian Empire. Oh, okay, yeah, okay, I should read it properly. Grandfather, born 28th of June, 1878, in Russian Empire.
00:51:59.68
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:52:05.22
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And you're saying that's Lithuania now.
00:52:07.81
alexei sayle
But it's one them both, yeah.
00:52:08.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah Died on 15th December, 1950, Liverpool.
00:52:14.00
alexei sayle
That's before I was born then.
00:52:16.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Buried in the Rice Lane Jewish Cemetery, Walton. You ever been there to visit him?
00:52:19.82
alexei sayle
Yeah. No.
00:52:22.40
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No.
00:52:22.76
alexei sayle
I didn't know was there. I know where Rice Lane is.
00:52:26.37
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Appears in the 1901 census, age 24, Alexander man Mendelsohn. Traveller for hardware. Lodging in Whitechapel. In the 1939, registered as a commercial traveller living back in Liverpool, Crown Street.
00:52:45.34
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Also on this entry is your grandmother, Mary Tropp. Molly Mendelsohn, mother. Celia Mendelsohn, your aunt.
00:52:53.95
alexei sayle
Yes, Auntie Celia, yes.
00:52:56.71
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Born 1917, two years younger than Molly. And Rose Mendelsohn, born 1920. Another aunt.
00:53:03.38
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:53:03.94
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And Max Mendelsohn, 1923. Is that an aunt as well? Max.
00:53:08.40
alexei sayle
No, Uncle. There was Uncle.
00:53:09.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It says aunt here. That's an uncle.
00:53:11.32
alexei sayle
um ah Maybe it is. don't know. Max isn't woman's name, is it?
00:53:14.45
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I know, yeah, that's why I was confused.
00:53:15.65
alexei sayle
Uncle Monty was there was the last born, I think that's what but think ah sort set Molly off, really, because I think her father transferred his affections and attention to Uncle Monty.
00:53:26.41
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Ah, to the sun.
00:53:28.56
alexei sayle
The son, because he finally had a son.
00:53:32.50
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Grandmother Mary Tropp. ah Mary's father, Joseph David Tropp, was born 1858 Grodno, Belarus. as was Mary's mother, Sarah.
00:53:43.75
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Someone called David Tropp, born the same year, was in court for assault in Athlone in 1889 and for stealing in Liverpool.
00:53:43.90
alexei sayle
Right.
00:53:53.93
alexei sayle
And that was Molly's mother's brother, presumably.
00:53:54.23
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
um
00:54:00.85
alexei sayle
Crop.
00:54:01.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
that That was from Dr. Chris, who's an anthropologist and a historian.
00:54:04.22
alexei sayle
Thank you, Dr. Chris. that's that's That's fascinating. Now you could do me, Dad, if you don't mind. if it gives you pleasure. I mean, don't if you don't.
00:54:16.38
alexei sayle
Joseph Henry Sale.
00:54:17.76
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Who Dr. Chris or or me.
00:54:19.17
alexei sayle
However, anybody, I'm getting all this free. Ancestry.com stuff.
00:54:24.64
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And then there's the one that I sent you from Colin. Now, is doesn't this one go?
00:54:27.48
alexei sayle
Oh, right. That was kind of the same, wasn't it? Well, it would be, wasn't it, really?
00:54:31.60
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But he does mention stuff about.
00:54:35.46
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So TROP is your mum's side, is it?
00:54:39.05
alexei sayle
Yes.
00:54:42.78
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So David Tropp was a naughty guy.
00:54:43.81
alexei sayle
Apparently, yeah. Yeah.
00:54:46.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Do you mind us talking about this?
00:54:49.20
alexei sayle
don't fucking care, yeah.
00:54:52.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Who's that, your granddad?
00:54:54.55
alexei sayle
No, my great-granddad...
00:54:56.83
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Great granddad. ah Here comes the uncomfortable stuff. The guy was in newspapers a lot. Cruelty to horses. Assault. Setting an empty house on fire.
00:55:12.47
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And he actually made a website chronicling.
00:55:16.52
alexei sayle
Not my dad, not my great-grandfather, didn't it?
00:55:19.32
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
This is Colin. ah This is the one, the email that I passed on to you with that website.
00:55:24.98
alexei sayle
Yes.
00:55:25.51
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You had a look at that, didn't you?
00:55:26.63
alexei sayle
Yes.
00:55:27.80
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
So are your thoughts, Lex, on all that?
00:55:31.50
alexei sayle
It's fascinating, really. um but My grandfather was caretaker of the yeah synagogue in in Crown Street. So, that makes me an authority on anti-Semitism. um ah No, I mean, it it sort of bore out what Molly said, really, but made it a bit clearer.
00:55:51.92
alexei sayle
ah And I think I wasn't lying about, I think I said, I think it's Vilnius in Lithuania or, God, that's terrible, isn't I should know. um ah You know, that I was sort of vague about where my grandparents were from, really, because it's because it became different places.
00:56:08.00
alexei sayle
Sometimes it was Russia, sometimes it was somewhere else.
00:56:10.26
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hmm.
00:56:12.29
alexei sayle
um So, yeah, that was interesting.
00:56:18.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Let me look this up for you. Grodus Goal.
00:56:22.69
alexei sayle
think that's in Belarus.
00:56:33.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Keeps giving me this character from Paper Mario. Um.
00:56:39.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Grodos. Grodno goal in Belarus. Grodno.
00:56:46.65
alexei sayle
Yes.
00:56:48.04
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There you go.
00:56:48.39
alexei sayle
Well, it was, you know, a there are many places where they were terrible to Jews in that part of the world at that time. but it's so may i mean it's kind of, you know, it's interesting, really.
00:57:02.60
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
If you want to read about this, listeners, you can go to merseysidebiographypages.weebly.com and you can click on the menu and go to Alexei Sale.
00:57:15.46
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
There's also Annie Garvey, Bob Dylan, Brian Jack, Elon Musk's Liverpool ancestors, Paul McCartney. So this guy's proper historian, does all these biographies and has done a whole...
00:57:25.26
alexei sayle
Yeah. Well, you can see me dad now.
00:57:29.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:30.35
alexei sayle
I'm much vaguer about what we did where me dad came from. So, yeah, if you just mind, I'd be very grateful. I'm very grateful anyway.
00:57:40.97
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, they have. No one chose to cover your dad. Oh, I guess the episode was called Molly, wasn't it?
00:57:45.13
alexei sayle
Yeah.
00:57:45.33
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Last week.
00:57:46.20
alexei sayle
You've got the next one, Joe.
00:57:48.37
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Joe.
00:57:49.82
alexei sayle
Joe.
00:57:50.85
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Joe Sale.
00:57:52.02
alexei sayle
Joe Sale. Joseph Henry Sale.
00:57:52.92
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What's the... Joseph Henry Sale. This is so... And he's like... This Merseyside Biography's biographypages.weebly.com has got images of like screenshots of the census,
00:58:10.83
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
OS maps of the the streets of the time, Crown Street Synagogue, photograph.
00:58:21.59
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's just fucking mind-blowing how much... depth it goes into. So thank you, Colin. And thank you, Chris. And thank you, Philip.
00:58:33.48
alexei sayle
Yes, thank you very, very much, all of you. very grateful.
00:58:40.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Wild. And we've got new patron members this week, Simon, Richard, James, John.
00:58:53.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Thank you, everybody.
00:58:54.14
alexei sayle
Yes, God bless you. Thank you very much.
00:58:59.95
alexei sayle
Are we thinking about future movie I've been thinking about because ah about Mephisto.
00:59:05.86
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Are you, Alexi? where Where does your heart point you?
00:59:17.10
alexei sayle
Because Mephisto is a film by my old mate, Isvan Szabo. um And um it's about really that process by which...
00:59:29.68
alexei sayle
um performers become incorporated or allow themselves to be used by dictators or dark forces, really. So obviously it plays on the the myth of Mephistopheles, the man who sells his soul to the devil.
00:59:46.14
alexei sayle
But it's also a tale of kind of... content and And, you know, it's a tale that's just set in during the Second World War, during the Nazi era in Germany.
00:59:59.44
alexei sayle
um And it is about, you know, you see it so frequently, performers selling their souls to people. contemporary devils either by falling in line or by saying nothing i just think it might be ah an object lesson for our time really it's a long long long time since i saw it but that's i'm just putting that out there maybe mephisto a film it's a classic last line which is i think is last night i'm i'm just an actor um
01:00:35.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Interesting.
01:00:36.80
alexei sayle
Yeah, so first film with subtitles, but it might be an interesting film. I'd say it's just something that's been playing on my mind, really, is this idea of of entertainers.
01:00:52.80
alexei sayle
selling their souls. Well, they're not obviously, ah politicians also selling, you know, David Lammy and so on, selling their souls to the devil. But particularly entertainers as well. that you I think you're starting to see that. I don't know. You will start see that.
01:01:08.29
alexei sayle
Already starting to see that in the States. um
01:01:13.48
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, people who are openly hated Trump are now like just fully fully on board.
01:01:18.26
alexei sayle
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:20.93
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
This film, Mephisto, is from 1981.
01:01:23.79
alexei sayle
Yes.
01:01:24.09
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's directed by Istvan Szabo.
01:01:27.40
alexei sayle
Mm-hmm.
01:01:29.06
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Story by Klaus Mann.
01:01:32.10
alexei sayle
From another white glass menu.
01:01:32.29
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's Hungarian.
01:01:34.44
alexei sayle
It's Transalvo's Hungarian, yeah.
01:01:36.63
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Right.
01:01:40.66
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's based on the novel of the same name. Yeah, this striking imagery of this fellow with white face paint.
01:01:42.60
alexei sayle
Mm-hmm.
01:01:47.04
alexei sayle
it Who plays the actor? Is it Klasinski? I'm sure.
01:01:54.91
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Let me tell you.
01:02:02.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
who plays the main fella? Well, I don't know what the name of the main fella is. Oh, Hendrik Hofgur. No, it's Klaus Maria Brandauer.
01:02:10.68
alexei sayle
Cosminia Blandauer, right.
01:02:14.49
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Klaus Skinski was
01:02:19.22
alexei sayle
somebody
01:02:20.10
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Werner Herzog's muse, wasn't he he? He'd worked with him a lot.
01:02:22.85
alexei sayle
Was he? Ah, right, okay.
01:02:23.92
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
yeah um And this isn't the film that you dubbed someone for.
01:02:29.61
alexei sayle
No, that was it was also in his Fansabo film, but that was ah called Meeting Venus.
01:02:36.01
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Meeting Venus. ah All right. Well, this is a front runner then for our next Alexis L film club.
01:02:41.53
alexei sayle
Yeah.
01:02:45.62
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Looks fascinating. Yeah, looks great. And it reminds me of of certain decisions.
01:02:52.18
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I've had to make because, you know, I told you, I think I told you, I turned down a really well-paying job dubbing a fucking Israeli drama for Netflix.
01:03:01.19
alexei sayle
Yeah.
01:03:02.00
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And I told them to stuff it. And then just recently, I got sent an inquiry for a Russian drama.
01:03:14.64
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
They needed an Arabic actor.
01:03:16.79
alexei sayle
h
01:03:18.25
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And I was actually pondering it because I need the work. And it involved going to Moscow for two weeks.
01:03:26.29
alexei sayle
Wow.
01:03:26.95
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And i was like, and I was just like, was thinking, you know, artists aren't necessarily attached to the government's decisions and everyone deserves to watch telly.
01:03:27.05
alexei sayle
Well, I don't know. Yeah.
01:03:37.85
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Like, you know, whether there's lots of people in Russia who don't agree with their government, blah, blah. was trying to justify it just so I could like entertain the concept of doing it. And then,
01:03:51.28
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I remembered that all the how much Russia supported Assad and all that shit and what they did to Syria and i was like oh, yeah, fuck, it's not just about Ukraine. They've actually acted on ah country my family are from and completely put me off it.
01:04:06.22
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I told them to stuff it.
01:04:10.14
alexei sayle
Well, that's got rid of the last of the left-wingers, the last there our extreme left-wing demographic that we were clinging on to.
01:04:17.50
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Why?
01:04:18.91
alexei sayle
I don't know. Well, I think there's a... I think some people, because, you know, my enemy's enemy is my friend, people are... I think there are some on the left who still kind of...
01:04:32.10
alexei sayle
are that and I know, feel affectionate, allegiance towards Russia, I think.
01:04:39.86
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Right. Well, they they teamed up with Iran and Assad and killed a million Syrians. Over a million Syrians.
01:04:48.64
alexei sayle
Yes.
01:04:51.12
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
What kind of friend is that?
01:04:52.35
alexei sayle
I know. Well, I don't know. Please put put, if you have a different viewpoint, it's allowed. Please feel free to come forward with it.
01:04:59.81
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Please, let's have the conversation, man.
01:05:02.30
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. not
01:05:03.32
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Be respectful, don't be abusive, and don't call names.
01:05:05.18
alexei sayle
yeah
01:05:06.14
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But if I can have the conversation, I'm not averse to debate.
01:05:08.89
alexei sayle
yeah yeah
01:05:14.13
alexei sayle
yeah
01:05:15.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Interesting episode, this one.
01:05:17.53
alexei sayle
Yeah, I hope so.
01:05:21.04
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
No, I mean, because I'm not sure if it's any good or not. Let's see.
01:05:26.77
alexei sayle
Well, yeah, I suppose i'pose with this you know this level of... You can see why, i mean... You can see why... ah Well, i don't know. You can see it's harder than you think, isn't it? You know, presenting the morning show on Six Music or even...
01:05:47.00
alexei sayle
Radio Wombat in Leeds or whatever, you know, you have to keep talking all the time. You can see why. There's a bit about Radio 6 music, and can't remember which episode of Sandwich Bar it's in, but you can, you know.
01:05:59.78
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yo, the vegetarian lasagna.
01:06:02.10
alexei sayle
Yeah.
01:06:02.32
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I think that was the last episode.
01:06:02.50
alexei sayle
How was it? Okay.
01:06:05.10
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
think so, but could be wrong. Could be episode three.
01:06:07.32
alexei sayle
But you do see how, you know, must be difficult, you know, keeping going all the time, just yakking, not um sounding like an idiot, really. I'm being just grateful for to hear the idiot opinions of the listeners, you know, about them making a vegetable lasagna.
01:06:23.24
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
01:06:27.63
alexei sayle
Oh.
01:06:30.26
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
But I think there's a certain, you're just going through the motions if you're just doing radio presenting, I think is actually a bit, it's not that difficult.
01:06:38.77
alexei sayle
Does your edit? I think there's one. I mean, I don't know. I mean, again, it's a bit like me kind of a just reading it.
01:06:41.97
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You've got to talk shit.
01:06:44.29
alexei sayle
was Steve LeMach, who does the afternoon show, he's given himself years ago, but given himself a nickname, Lamo, as it were. He refers to himself as Lamo or people, you know.
01:06:56.59
alexei sayle
Can you do that? Can you really do that? Is it possible in polite society to do that? If I call myself sailo You know, I, Salo, really making a vegetarian in the Sanrio and listening to the dead rabbis, going to see the dead rabbis tonight at the old emphysema factory in Burton-on-the-water.
01:07:19.97
alexei sayle
Could I do that? Call myself Salo? Allow people to call me Salo? don't think i don't think it's ethical, really, is it?
01:07:30.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I don't think ethics needs to come into it. just I think you can do it. It's whether it catches on whether people it's It's a matter of how much affection people have for you, really.
01:07:38.91
alexei sayle
Yeah.
01:07:39.70
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Is it ethical? I don't know. I always wanted people to call me Breezewell.
01:07:45.82
alexei sayle
Breezewell.
01:07:46.80
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Breezewell, yeah.
01:07:51.34
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I've had a number of names. T-Bone, T-Breeze. T-Bone, T...
01:07:55.40
alexei sayle
T-Bone.
01:07:55.48
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
bonene t
01:07:57.43
alexei sayle
It's a very funny... Now, here's the thing.
01:08:00.11
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
T-bone, T-breezy, and then Breezewell.
01:08:00.72
alexei sayle
Is Seinfeld still funny?
01:08:02.25
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Go on.
01:08:05.12
alexei sayle
Was it ever funny? Now what we know about... Jerry Seinfeld, is it? Now make us sick. I remember loving that show. And, you know, the episode where George wants to be called T-Bone. You you know, I think he's... You can always say that all the best bits are Larry David.
01:08:26.48
alexei sayle
as far as I know, hasn't disgraced himself in the last year know and half.
01:08:26.62
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You could always say that.
01:08:31.35
alexei sayle
So, ah you know, but is Seinfeld still funny?
01:08:36.02
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Well, I don't know.
01:08:36.76
alexei sayle
I mean, he's obviously a vile human being.
01:08:36.86
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
like He is.
01:08:38.48
alexei sayle
but
01:08:40.35
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Is Annie Hall still funny? Is Manhattan still and a good film?
01:08:44.40
alexei sayle
Well, yes, all that. we've we yeah
01:08:46.97
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
we've We've covered this, but I think it must be.
01:08:49.89
alexei sayle
It's Terminator 2, Rise of the Machines.
01:08:50.66
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I think it must be.
01:08:52.37
alexei sayle
Is that still funny? Not Terminator 2. Transformers 2. Is that still good?
01:08:57.55
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah
01:09:00.14
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It never was, Alexei.
01:09:01.88
alexei sayle
Oh, don't say that.
01:09:04.92
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
hate Transformers. I hate Hezbollah and I hate the Russians.
01:09:09.06
alexei sayle
Oh, that's got rid of everybody. I
01:09:15.12
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Transformers 2. Um...
01:09:16.84
alexei sayle
i think it's a... I might be transform but Transformers... might be Transformers 5. I don't which is... Hang on. Hiya! Oh, it's around the corner. I'm just doing the... finishing off the podcast.
01:09:33.15
alexei sayle
It's a particularly poor one. Erm...
01:09:38.46
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I think we should
01:09:41.56
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
we should kill this beast kill this beast before it causes any more damage.
01:09:41.62
alexei sayle
Sheila Berth.
01:09:45.61
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Let's end the episode.
01:09:46.43
alexei sayle
I said this before about half the cast of Trainspotting are also in Black Hawk Down.
01:09:53.25
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, you have, yeah.
01:09:54.09
alexei sayle
I've said that before. But also Sheila Berth is in both the first Transformers movie and Fury, isn't he?
01:10:03.17
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And what's the significance of that?
01:10:04.99
alexei sayle
There's no significance at all.
01:10:07.37
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
He's in many films, Alexei.
01:10:08.83
alexei sayle
Yeah, ah suppose he is, yes. That's a good point.
01:10:11.18
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
He's also in the Indiana Jones films. He's the young Indy, isn't he? Or something. Or his son.
01:10:17.03
alexei sayle
Is he?
01:10:17.98
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
01:10:18.26
alexei sayle
Yeah, he's in one of them.
01:10:19.48
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah.
01:10:19.58
alexei sayle
There's two good... There's a bit... there's ah you know There's an episode of... um I think it's the fourth... About so which by about sequels.
01:10:30.23
alexei sayle
it About whether you can you know keep going, really. And I did forget to mention... Because I talk about you know Pitch Perfect 2 and Pitch Perfect 3 being weak.
01:10:39.10
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yeah, you say...
01:10:40.66
alexei sayle
And I forgot to mention, of course, Indiana Jones 2, which is...
01:10:41.72
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You say...
01:10:44.86
alexei sayle
3. Which is the best of the lot, really.
01:10:48.53
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I was thinking about Indy this morning because I'm playing a really good Star Wars game on my PlayStation at the moment. And I came to the realization that you are in the star wars Star Wars universe because Indiana Jones and Star Wars are connected. Yeah.
01:11:07.62
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
I think there's an Easter egg in a star in an indie film.
01:11:10.84
alexei sayle
Really?
01:11:11.60
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
the Yeah, that he's like going through some caves or something and there's an inscription on the wall of like R2-D2 and C-3PO and like some hieroglyphs and stuff.
01:11:22.44
alexei sayle
Right.
01:11:23.96
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Hinting at the fact that the Indiana Jones universe is the Star Wars universe because Star Wars happened a long time ago in the galaxy far away, blah, blah, blah.
01:11:28.81
alexei sayle
Yeah.
01:11:32.29
alexei sayle
Right. They've both got eyes for forwarding them, obviously.
01:11:35.29
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's all connected.
01:11:35.71
alexei sayle
Well, they're also, I mean, they're also city franchises. where I mean, I'm not a fan Star Wars at all, really, but so some are much more diabolical than other ones.
01:11:45.25
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Oh, certainly, yeah. There's been a long time since there's been a good Star Wars film, but you are in the Star Wars universe, technically.
01:11:46.43
alexei sayle
Oh, fucking Jar Jar Binks. Yeah, yeah. and
01:11:52.91
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You're Hattie.
01:11:53.67
alexei sayle
well,
01:11:54.64
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Was it a Sultan of Hattie or something?
01:11:56.77
alexei sayle
Hattay, yes.
01:11:58.95
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Which is cool. And I like that. And, yeah, Sheila Booth as well.
01:12:03.35
alexei sayle
Yeah. He's more important than me.
01:12:07.70
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
ah A quick, I just finished, I played a game on the PlayStation called Thank Goodness You're Here. And I just want to recommend anyone out there who enjoys a bit of whimsy. It's not a computer game like you imagine. It's basically ah and a playable cartoon and it's made by these two Yorkshire lads.
01:12:25.88
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's their second games, fully independent game. It only costs a tenner and it's the funniest, most creative thing. I think it took about three hours to complete and the stories, there's like a tinge of sadness and underlying current of sadness in it, but it's so overtly funny and creative and weird.
01:12:45.07
alexei sayle
o Okay, yeah.
01:12:47.09
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
And the voice acting is really good. And it's using very specific Yorkshire dialect. Like it's, it doesn't hold back on being Yorkshire, even though it's an internationally kind of renowned game, uh,
01:13:02.93
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
It's just so cool to see a computer game where everyone's speaking in this Yorkshire dialect. You know, I was even struggling to understand some of the words they're using, but you get it in context.
01:13:11.47
alexei sayle
Right.
01:13:12.28
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Super funny, really good English writing, celebrating English culture in the right way. You know, and it's, you know, without any fucking gorgeous.
01:13:21.03
alexei sayle
Well, I am happy to give the Alexi Cell podcast stamp of approval to whatever it is that you've been playing.
01:13:22.80
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
like
01:13:30.16
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Thank goodness you're here.
01:13:32.09
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's going make a big difference.
01:13:32.56
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
You can play it on your PC or your Mac or your PlayStation or Xbox, whatever.
01:13:36.53
alexei sayle
Yeah.
01:13:37.93
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Check it out. It's really good.
01:13:39.43
alexei sayle
right, that's enough of this.
01:13:41.23
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Yep.
01:13:42.09
alexei sayle
I'll let you try and go and carve something useful out of this.
01:13:47.60
Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal
Wish me luck.
01:13:48.17
alexei sayle
Bye-bye, everybody. Bye-bye.
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