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Hello everyone and Welcome to another
episode of Selling Greenville your
favorite real estate podcast here in
Greenville, South Carolina, I'm your host
as always Stan McCune realtor right here
in Greenville, South Carolina, you can
find all of my contact information in
the show notes if you need to reach out
to me for any of your Greenville or even
outside of Greenville real estate needs
I can't help you outside of the
Greenville, Spartanburg, Anderson, Greater
Greenville area, except that I've got a
relocations department with my company
so I can help you there also if you're a
realtor, you need some help you're not
really sure where your career is going
I'm your guy I have a team I can bring
you onto my team and one of my passions
right now is mentorship; that's something
I would really, really like to get more
into and so I would love to have a few
people under my wing that I could mentor
that I could help ultimately become a
better realtor than me that would be the
goal, so just let me know i know there
are some realtors that watch and or
listen to this show, so just keep that in
mind, maybe not you, but maybe someone
that you know would be a good fit for
that it's late at night, I'm going to do
my best here i'm I'm recording this at
10 p.m I'm tired it's this is Monday
the the final Monday of March the
final day of the first quarter of
2025, and needless to say this is
frequently the busy time of year, and it
is a very very busy time of year there's
just a whole lot going on right now
I'm having you know my phone is
constantly blowing up this is the time
of year, where I work through meals where
when I go to the gym to work out, I'm
negotiating with realtors while I'm
you know, in between sets at the gym like
that's just the way things are
pretty much every year this time of year
if they're not that way then that's a
really really big problem I've had a few
few springs early in my career that
weren't that way, and it was like oh boy
what's going to happen but
here we go I should start calling this
show Selling Greenville After Dark
because I keep having to record
nighttime episodes which I really don't
like to do because there's a certain
level of energy right that I that you
have to bring when you're just talking
solo to a camera and that messes up my
sleep schedule I've learned so I am
messing up my sleep schedule to get you
guys content and I hope you guys
appreciate that hopefully this will
be the last nighttime episode because
part of the reason why I'm having to do
this is because we've been having
construction various construction
projects done on our house that's done
during the day during the normal times
I'd be recording so it's been pushing a
lot of these episodes at night but
I'm still going to keep bringing you
guys content no matter what even when
I'm traveling I bring you guys content
hopefully you enjoy it now I try to keep
this podcast really focused on
Greenville but sometimes especially last
year there are things that happen in
the broader real estate industry that I
feel like are worth discussing on this
show and as I already said the past year
there's been a lot of big changes in the
real estate industry we figured there
would be some more coming up this year
and one a new one did in fact get
announced last week by the National
Association of Realtors and I want to
talk about that but we need to back up
for one second and provide some context
for what's actually happening okay there
is a policy with the National
Association of Realtors that every
realtor has to follow that's called the
clear cooperation policy okay we'll just
call it clear cooperation it's also
called CCP sometimes or abbreviated
as that i don't like that because for
some people that means the Chinese
Communist Party and so I I prefer not
to not to use that abbreviation but
clear cooperation what does it mean and
it's really not not clear based on
the name but in short it means that once
a realtor gets a new listing okay a a
client that is selling a house and
they've signed a listing agreement
within one day of getting that listing
that listing agreement must be entered
into the multiple listing service aka
the MLS which then pushes out or the
proper terminology is it syndicates that
listing out to all the websites that
have what's called an IDX feed however
there is one exception one exception to
this rule that every listing needs to be
entered into the MLS within one business
day of a signed listing agreement that
exception traditionally has been that
there are is brokerage exclusive or
office exclusive listings meaning that
you can have someone you can have a
realtor list a home only within their
office they can only market it within
their office within their brokerage
and and they can't do any other public
marketing no websites no multiple
listing service no yard signs no social
media posts nothing okay only within
their office that's the only way that
they can market it if it's a brokerage
or an office exclusive listing so we got
two options right you either have to
list and pretty much immediately put it
in the MLS or you can list it off MLS
and now it can only be marketed
pretty much via email maybe some
brokerages have some other ways of doing
it but it can only be market marketed to
other agents within the company that
that brokerage exclusive listing is
listed by okay hopefully that makes
sense now the question might be asked
why would anyone accept a brokerage
exclusive listing okay what why would
any seller want to limit their marketing
right instead of sending it out to
literally everyone in the world to be
able to see it why would they
restrict it to you know my office has
several hundred realtor some offices
only have a couple of realtors just a
handful of them so regardless of
whether you know the brokerage
has five realtors or 500 realtors the
question must be asked why would a
seller want to not get full public
exposure well there's a few reasons
that we typically see one is if a house
is a really really high-end you know
luxury listing where the seller just
doesn't want people to see what it looks
like on the inside what it has on the
inside they like privacy this is
especially true of celebrities when
celebrities sell homes they want to
be private often times they don't want
people to see all of their stuff and
so this is a good example of a of of of
where we can have brokerage exclusive
listings that are beneficial to the
seller particularly within companies
that tend to focus on luxury listings
right which is my company there's a
handful of companies in in the
upstate of South Carolina that luxury
listings are are one of the core things
that we do and that could be a
good example of where a brokerage
exclusive listing could make sense right
because you're you're keeping it off of
of the public out of the public
sphere and you are marketing it only to
a handful of agents that focus on luxury
listings okay makes sense right another
one fixeruppers okay and there's a I
have done many of these over the
years fixer uppers can be great
options for doing brokerage exclusive
because if you have an office that has
competent capable realtors in it that's
helpful when you've got a challenging
listing like one that needs work to
be done on it one that has termite
damage or has all sorts of deferred
maintenance we see a lot of these
these homes that that have been
inherited that were lived in
basically not touched by by the a
person who passed away an elderly person
who passed away untouched for for
decades once they passed away children
come in they clean it out and they
realize "Wow we might need to put $80 to
$100,000 into this house no thank you
we're just going to list it as is."
that can be a great option for going
brokerage exclusive if the brokerage has
agents in their office that are
experienced with fixer uppers because a
lot of agents will not be experienced in
it right and I've run into this many
many times where you get these agents
that that are are trying to help
out a client that wants to buy a fixer
upper and the agent is just overwhelmed
they think every single thing is a
problem they're trying to renegotiate
every single thing because they don't
understand that this little structural
issue really isn't that big of a deal
that this termite damage isn't that big
of a deal they don't pay attention
during you know they don't have a
detailed eye while they're showing the
house so they miss things that they
should have seen there's just all sorts
of of things there so that could be a
great option as well and then another
option and there's probably more but I'm
just going to focus on these three the
other one that makes sense for brokerage
exclusive is listings that are still
getting ready for public marketing maybe
they're decluttering maybe they're
cleaning maybe they're doing some
repairs but they're okay with people
walking through the house before they're
ready for public marketing so it's
almost like a coming soon option but a
coming soon option that is actually
legal because the National
Association of Realtors doesn't allow
true coming soons and if you ever see
those it is illegal
that's the for sale by owner
situation but this is a way to kind
of do it you can list a home brokerage
exclusive so nobody on the MLS sees it
and the sellers are are getting the
house ready for public marketing if
it doesn't sell during the brokerage
exclusive listing period then during
that time period they will have gotten
the house ready for marketing now the
listing agent can come in take
professional photography or if they're
not a good agent take pictures with
their phone or with their own camera
instead of hiring a professional
photographer like a good agent should
and then they will then list on the
MLS as a finished completed pretty
listing okay okay so I just wanted to
make sure that we had all of that in the
background and of course sellers can
always sell for sale by owner right but
if they want to list and and if you sell
for sale by owner there's no rules about
any of this stuff but if you want to
list with a realtor there are rules
there are only traditionally two options
that are legal for a realtor and those
are the brokerage exclusive or on MLS
which means online and on all of the
other websites that's what clear
cooperation is okay but clear
cooperation has been heavily criticized
by some in recent months right we we had
this whole National Association of
Realtors lawsuit that was lost last year
and there there's a whole bunch of
repercussions that came out of that
and as a result a a lot of people
have been questioning a lot of different
things with with regard to what the
National Association of Realtors is
doing or should doing or what exactly
the the the future of of the multiple
listing service even is and the main
critics of clear cooperation are those
who don't want to pay their dues to the
realtor association and the multiple
listing service and feel like the MLS
system is just too closed of a system
and prevents realtors from just
marketing a property how they want but
the counterargument is that without
clear cooperation a lot of the realtor
code of ethics goes away the code of
ethics that prevents realtors from being
shy and guess what realtors already are
shy even with the code of e ethics so
imagine if we didn't have a code of
ethics and and and there were
basically no rules a lot of shy behavior
would happen so with regard to clear
cooperation policy specifically if I
can just pick and choose who I market a
property to right let's say that I don't
have to market it to my office i don't
have to put it on the multiple listing
service i can just do whatever I want
with it i can just call my friends i can
just call a handful of other agents i
can do this or that that actually
presents that might sound on surface
level like okay well what's the problem
with that the the problem is that why
wouldn't I choose the people that I
identify with to be the people that I
market the property to or let's say this
is a I have a listing near my house this
is a common thing for realtors right a
lot of realtors will list homes that are
near their own home because they get to
know their neighbors and neighbors like
them and and and you know there's
like there's an agent in my office
that's like the Orchard Farms agent like
that's where she lives and she she
has had an incredible run of listing
homes in the Orchard Farms neighborhood
and good for her right but what if I had
a listing in my
neighborhood and I really wanted a
certain person to be living there i'm a
Christian what if I only wanted another
Christian to be near me or what if I
were Muslim i only wanted to market the
property to a fellow Muslim or I'm
heterosexual what if I want to
specifically have that or what if I were
homosexual and I only wanted to market
to people that were also homosexual
right if those sound like fair
housing violations it's because they are
all all of those scenarios are fair
housing violations and so this is one
of the major problems with taking away
clear operation is that it opens the
door to abuses of fair housing
specifically steering certain people
groups to to or from certain
properties right and that is illegal for
good reason right it's it's great you
know people love the idea of of being in
a community surrounded by a bunch of
people that are just like them but they
don't like it when that means that
they're excluded from a community that
they want to join right and so that's
why fair housing exists it it it
might seem restrictive to some people
in in some situations and I understand
you know I've I've had a lot of
Christians clients over the years that
their home is like a sacred kind of to
them a sacred space and they really want
a certain type of person to move in
there and unfortunately
there there's not just laws for
realtors there also laws for home
sellers that you you can't discriminate
in that way but if clear cooperation
went away if you could just market a
home however you wanted the the
potential for abuse would be tremendous
now the N has been looking into this
clear cooperation policy to try to
appease these members that are not happy
and as a result they came up with a
third option right we've talked about
the two options brokerage exclusive or
on MLS and syndicated out to all the
websites like Zillow like Realtor.com
like Redf Fin they've come up with a
third option now that is still compliant
with the with Clear
Cooperation unfortunately they are
confusingly calling it a delayed
marketing exempt listing okay I hate
that but it's a really simple concept
okay so I'm going to explain it to you
guys and we'll talk about it for a sec
the policy allows for listings to be
marketed on MLS but not syndicated out
to other websites until a set period of
time passes so only members of the
multiple listing service specifically
realtors there can be other other
members of the MLS like appraisers and
whatnot but mainly realtors make up the
large the largest portion of membership
of the MLS realtors and their clients
who are set up for MLS searches would be
the only ones able to see these listings
so you would not find these listings
until that set period of time is over
for the for the listing to be exempt
from syndication you would not find
these listings on Zillow Redfin
Realtor.com etc etc they would not show
up until again until the period has
passed by which then it has to go in to
the multiple listing service okay now
here's the interesting part of it if
that sounds kind of similar to the
brokerage exclusive option it's
actually a lot more similar to the to
the traditional way of listing a home
because an agent can still market the
property in any way that they want they
can still market the property on their
own website on their company's website
they can use yard signs they can do
social media blasts they can do
everything it's just not going to go
it's just not going to be syndicated out
to Zillow i guess in theory you could go
on Zillow and create a listing on there
if you really wanted to but that would
defeat the whole purpose right the the
whole idea here is to keep it off of
those websites so it's kind of a middle
ground between the brokerage exclusive
listing which only allows internal
marketing of a listing within a
brokerage or an office and absolutely
no other form of marketing and you kind
of morph that with a standard listing
that's in the MLS but then gets
syndicated out to all the other websites
this third option is kind of in between
the two of those right now who will
benefit from this well when I first
heard it I really didn't think anyone
would use it but then I started thinking
through it and I and I really I thought
through some cases where I think it
actually could be useful and some of
these we've already discussed for
instance the luxury listings and fixer
uppers are good examples for for
properties that could benefit and
sellers that could benefit from from
this third option right luxury listings
in particular for that privacy aspect
of not just putting it out there for
everyone to see right you still get full
MLS explo exposure exposure but
you're not getting exposure to all these
other websites that literally anyone in
the world can can access okay so if
you're a celebrity or if you're a
multi-millionaire you want to keep that
mansion away from certain eyes hey
you now have an option that you can list
it completely on the MLS and have every
single realtor in your area have access
to it and their clients that are set up
with MLS searches also have access to it
without the nosy neighbor who is not
looking at homes and does not need to
know what your home looks like being
able to just pull it up on Zillow right
fixer uppers as well as I've already
mentioned might be an option i still
like the broker's exclusive option for a
lot of fixer uppers but I could see
this also being an interesting option
for fixer uppers too because a lot of
people I you know again because one of
my specialties is is investing real
estate
investments that's basically how I got
into this business
I've listed a lot of fixer uppers
over the years like that's just been
something that has been a core part of
my business over the years and
long story short when you list a fixer
upper you get every possible call from
every possible type of person interested
in the home and the vast majority of
these people they don't have an agent
they don't know how to buy a fixer upper
they don't have the money for it they
want to know if you're renting it out
it's very very frustrating and so
this could be a a good option for for
some of those as well right if if a
seller doesn't want to go brokerage
exclusive but it it also doesn't make
sense to just blast it out everywhere on
the web and and have a bunch of people
that aren't going to take it seriously
right aren't going to actually purchase
the home that that's an option that I
could see like really working well
i've also had clients that didn't fall
into either of those categories the
luxury listing and the fixer upper
listings but they just wanted privacy
with regard to their listing right for
whatever reason scared of the neighbors
seeing it whatever could be a great
option for them as
well also maybe down the road it becomes
standard to list your home exempt from
syndication to start that way it's
marketed only to real estate
professionals and their clients to begin
with as opposed to again all these
potential bad prospects just scouring
the internet without an agent and then
if it doesn't sell that way within a
week or a few weeks or whatever then it
goes out to Zillow Redfin Realtor.com
etc and gets syndicated out what I like
about this possibility is that once it
goes online it will look like a fresh
listing even though it's already had
multiple weeks of activity and
potentially even feedback from having
been on the multiple listing service so
a savvy listing agent could potentially
take advantage of that feedback that
period of time where it wasn't
syndicated out to the websites in order
to make some subtle changes to the
listing or to encourage of course with
the seller's permission or to
encourage the seller to make changes
based on the feedback that they received
before then syndicating it out to the
big websites and maybe not even just
subtle changes maybe big changes right
like maybe one of the core feedbacks you
get is that everyone thinks the home is
overpriced and so so before it
syndicates out you reduce the price and
again anyone looking on these websites
once it go finally goes out to Zillow
etc they're not going to see that there
was a price change because it's going
out onto those websites after it's
already been on the multiple listing
service for a few weeks you're not going
to see the history unless you look at it
in the multiple listing service okay
again all of this I'm just speculating
on what I think could be useful
practices of this new option but at
the end of the day one very very core
thing that we don't know at the moment
is how long the exempt period will even
be allowed for in Greenville the
National Association Realtors the N
they made it clear that the delayed
marketing exempt period needs to have a
set amount of time before the listing
automatically gets syndicated and they
are telling local associations to make
the call on how long that will be
whether it's a few days a few weeks a
few months etc now some of you may know
I am on the board of directors with the
Greater Greenville Association of
Realtors but no we have not discussed
this and I have no idea where the board
is going to fall on it and even if I did
I wouldn't be able to tell you because
of confidentiality purposes so no I
don't know but I imagine that when we
had that discussion it'll be a pretty
opinionated and perhaps even heated
discussion okay we've got some pretty
opinionated people on the board i love
all of them and there's going to be a
lot of opinions talking about this
and it might go to MLS committee
first maybe they will make a
recommendation i don't know i'm not
exactly sure how all of that is going to
work we'll just wait and see but if
you have a specific opinion on how long
you think the time period should be let
me know right because I'm a voice on
that board i'm one of the votes I'm
one of the opinions and and if I get
feedback from you guys whether you're
realtors whether you're potential
buyers or potential sellers that I
would like to hear from you guys so let
me know again my contact info is in the
show notes but and I'm not going to wrap
up the show just yet in case you thought
that that was the cue that I'm ending
the show i'm not because I had this
entitled with perhaps a little bit of a
clickbaitish title but it's not
I'm talking about or or I presume
that I'm going to entitle this something
about the death of Zillow right and one
of the things that stands out to me the
most when I think about this is that if
delayed marketing exempt listings ever
gain
traction websites like Zillow
Realtor.com Redfin etc
homes.com they're going to be hurt very
very badly if this ever gains traction
in the business their entire business
model depends on the MLS sending them
listings via syndication for them to
advertise and if even 10% of listings
aren't showing up on their sites that
would be a huge loss to them how many
buyers do you know or if you if you
don't know of any buyers think about in
your head how many buyers would be okay
with just not having access to 10% of
listings and knowing that some of those
might be some of the best listings that
are out there buyers don't want to miss
any listings particularly in this market
where you know I'm not going to say it's
slim pickings but it's just a
challenging market for buyers to find
what they're looking for they don't want
to miss out on something i mean I have
buyers that send me for sale by owner
properties that that they find on
Zillow or some of these other websites
and and I'll show it to them if the
seller will let us look at it and and
so I know that buyers are wanting to see
every single potential home that is out
there and if they realize they're
missing out on some of these homes
they're not going to be happy they will
be forced to contact an agent to set
them up with an MLS search now Zillow
and the other companies I've mentioned
are resilient okay i'm not sure even if
this scenario happened that it would
be the death nail to them probably they
would find a way to survive they've got
deep pockets they've got a lot of
resources they've got a lot of attorneys
on
retainer and they might even sue the
National Association of Realtors for
this i don't know all I know is it would
be a big blow to them and it could
certainly be the death now of that
entire industry right I can tell you
this much when syndication from the
multiple listing service to all these
other websites became a thing nobody was
thinking what if Zillow becomes bigger
than the entire industry right and now
we got you know Rocket Companies which
owns Rocket Mortgage they've recently
just bought out they bought out Red
Fin and they bought out Mr cooper which
is a massive it's a silly name but a
massive loan service
serer so Rocket Companies now is making
this this big splash in the industry
this just happened the past few weeks
and and so there's a lot of big players
right right now in the in the industry
and I feel like if nothing else this new
thing that the National Association of
Realtors is allowing was a shot across
the bow at these companies by the
National Association of Realtors okay
now some will say this new delayed
marketing period isn't beneficial for
sellers but I hear a lot of sellers
complain about unserious buyers going
through their homes and trashing
their homes and and not giving
feedback all sorts of things you know
who the most unserious buyers are
they're the ones who saw a home online
and just in that moment called a realtor
you know who's a family friend or
whatever to show it to them with no
intention of really buying it right the
real serious buyers are the ones who
have been working with a realtor and are
actively searching and already have a
multiple listing search set up so those
are the ones that we want to see anyway
that is the market that we want to
capture when we are listing a home and
this
option is is the best option for just
capturing specifically that demographic
and if you want traffic from people
without realtors well you can still do
open houses right so you could still
have a home listed during this delayed
marketing period and still allow open
houses where people who don't have an
agent can come in and take a look at it
if you want right and maybe this means
open houses will make a comeback i mean
they haven't gone away and they're still
very popular but we don't sell a
whole lot of houses at open houses right
me personally I my entire career I've
probably sold two homes at open houses
i've gotten a lot of clients at open
houses but it's not most people
aren't going to an open house to to
make a serious play on that house all
right and so so perhaps this is
the way for open houses to become a
major part of the marketing process
again who knows all that we know right
now is that more changes are coming
but they are these are good changes
they're not being forced on anyone we
don't like it when the N forces changes
on us this is just more options for
sellers and that's how the N is
marketing it and I think that's fine you
know if you don't like it don't use it
sellers can still list their homes the
way they always have but soon they'll
have another option at their disposal
strictly MLS only with syndication to
happen at a later time to be determined
by their local association what does it
mean for Realtor.com Zillow Redfin
Homes.com etc it's hard to say but I can
tell you they can't be happy with this
and they might need to start coming up
with contingency plans to their business
model to ensure that they weather the
storm in the upcoming years so I hope
that that was helpful for you guys let
me know your thoughts I don't know
when this is going to be implemented it
has to be fully implemented I believe by
September okay so it it might be done
before then but for sure by the fall
this will be fully implemented into the
Greater Greenville Association of
Realtors Multiple Listing Service in
addition to the Spartanburg
association addition to Western Upstate
Association Greenwood etc We've got
a few MLSs around here they're all
going to have to implement this
within the next few months be very
interesting to see how that all plays
out which associations do it
differently and and if there's
anything worth talking about on here you
guys will find out before anyone else so
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