Tallgirl6234: Welcome to sense, sensibility, and chaos, where we will bewitch you, body and soul. While talking about the Pop culture, favorite Pride and Prejudice

BusySomethings: I'm busy the one most likely to show Mrs. Bennet some compassion for her poor nerves.

WellReadHead: I'm well read the one least likely to let Caroline Bingley get away with her. Nonsense.

Tallgirl6234: And I'm tall girl, the one who absolutely encourages Lydia to run off with Wickham if it means Darcy and Lizzie could finally get together

BusySomethings: Today's episode is a celebration of the 2,005 film adaptation of Pride and Prejudice

WellReadHead: Whether you loved it, hated it or still aren't sure about that hand. Flex

Tallgirl6234: Let's talk it through

BusySomethings: Did it do?

BusySomethings: Hi! There!

WellReadHead: Ladies.

BusySomethings: Oh, we're so!

BusySomethings: Hello! Hello!

WellReadHead: How's everybody doing?

BusySomethings: Oh, you know, I I'm doing pretty okay.

Tallgirl6234: Just want people to recognize that we weren't alive in 2,005 when this movie came out.

Tallgirl6234: Not at all. So this is

Tallgirl6234: just really us speaking from like a

BusySomethings: Perspective.

BusySomethings: Yes, that is true. Now, I think this is a a

BusySomethings: good topic. I mean, obviously, our podcast. Is a nod to Jane's novel sense and sensibility. So with focus features re-releasing the film for the 20th anniversary.

BusySomethings: You know, I think people have asked us to talk about some of the books and this, you know other dramas.

BusySomethings: so I think this is a good one to start into

WellReadHead: Okay, absolutely. And

Tallgirl6234: I can't believe it's been 20 years.

WellReadHead: I,

Tallgirl6234: I just like, Okay, that makes sense. But also like that can't possibly be

BusySomethings: No, but not

WellReadHead: So, but so many things were 20 years ago that I

WellReadHead: I'm beginning to doubt that I was ever young

BusySomethings: You mean, you know that you just

Tallgirl6234: Well, I mean come on.

Tallgirl6234: I've been in my Grandma Era since birth, so

BusySomethings: That is fair.

BusySomethings: I think, with this one, you know. Is it

BusySomethings: a bit unexpected with some of the cast members

WellReadHead: Well, yeah, it's also rather controversial, not just for the cast members, but for a lot of the way that it was filmed and stuff like that

Tallgirl6234: I didn't watch it when it came out. I saw it later, and I had seen Matthew Mcfadden in spooks, where he plays a spy, which is like the antithesis of Mr. Darcy. So like my frame of reference going in was like

Tallgirl6234: that guy.

Tallgirl6234: That guy's gonna be Mr. Darcy. So like I I didn't watch it originally for that. I was like Donald Sutherland. Yes, Judi Dench. Always. I didn't watch it when it came out, because I was like.

Tallgirl6234: I'm gonna hate this

BusySomethings: I. And I wasn't familiar with him, Prior, and I think that

BusySomethings: I think that if if people are familiar, obviously there's so many versions. There's adaptations. There's like the faithful ones, or try to be faithful to the book. They're the.

BusySomethings: you know, the the play on on the movies and convert it, to modernize, and all that, and

WellReadHead: Bride and prejudice. Anyone

Tallgirl6234: What was that bride and prejudice, lost in Austen, Austenland

BusySomethings: Correct.

BusySomethings: And I mean it just obviously adaptations for many of her novels.

BusySomethings: But Karen Knightley, I wasn't sure

BusySomethings: I've come to appreciate her more. I think now in the role.

BusySomethings: But it and I think we'll get into this. There's just such a different approach.

BusySomethings: Then earlier versions

Tallgirl6234: Oh, so I'd only seen her in pirates of the Caribbean. So I was like, oh, here's an actress who is forever going to be put into hoop skirts like she will never act in any

WellReadHead: She's also got a classically beautiful face like

Tallgirl6234: She's

WellReadHead: She's got one of those, she she it's not one of those ultra, sculpted Hollywood faces that you see today. It's much more soft

WellReadHead: around the edges, and nice proportions and things like that. So it's

WellReadHead: she's she's got period piece written all over her

Tallgirl6234: Years later I found out that Rosemond Pike who plays Jane was

Tallgirl6234: Supposed to be Lizzie, and I was like, I'm actually glad they didn't do that, but it makes sense in casting that that was their 1st kind of like.

Tallgirl6234: Although dying, her hair brown, wouldn't really have done her any favors

WellReadHead: No, it wouldn't

BusySomethings: Yeah, I'd also seen like. Besides, the whole pirates of the Caribbean

BusySomethings: Keira had also been in like Bend it like Beckham

BusySomethings: Forgot about that.

BusySomethings: Yeah, that's a good one. And So

BusySomethings: I was like, all right, where, like, yes, there's a drama piece, you know mentality to it, but also, like all right, where are we gonna

BusySomethings: go? So

WellReadHead: Fun fact. She was also in the Star Wars first 3 films.

WellReadHead: as Natalie Portman's body, double

BusySomethings: I tried.

WellReadHead: As Queen Amidala

BusySomethings: Correct.

WellReadHead: So, yeah.

Tallgirl6234: Are they the same size.

WellReadHead: They are the same size, they are the same height, they look remarkably alike. In, especially in the makeup that Amidala wears during certain portions of the films.

WellReadHead: So

WellReadHead: you actually, there are moments where you cannot tell who is sitting on the throne unless you look really close

BusySomethings: With all that makeup

WellReadHead: With all that makeup on. Yeah.

WellReadHead: So there are some jokes that, with

WellReadHead: things like Ahsoka, and whatever coming out that Keira Knightley might show up. If Natalie Portman doesn't come back

BusySomethings: That would be interesting.

WellReadHead: Be very interesting.

BusySomethings: So why do we think? I I think in the past I don't know. 8, 9 years. I think it always did well

BusySomethings: and had a following, but I feel like there's a very

WellReadHead: A resurgence.

BusySomethings: Yes, and there's like this deep.

BusySomethings: It's like this, this version has a choke hold on people.

WellReadHead: Yeah, yeah, I think it was the 1st like modern.

WellReadHead: It was the 1st one intended for a postmodern audience like, there's a lot of moody sort of

WellReadHead: brooding moments in it, for for all of the characters

WellReadHead: it's much more realistically shot in terms of the costuming.

WellReadHead: So you have a mix of the different periods that would have led up to

WellReadHead: the Regency era. For a

WellReadHead: slightly upper class family there would have been a lot of mixing of 18th century and early 19th century garb.

WellReadHead: So you see that in you know Mr. Bennett's britches and Mrs. Bennett's placard front dresses and pannier

WellReadHead: widened skirts.

WellReadHead: So I think it's the 1st interpretation where

WellReadHead: a modern audience can look at it and go. Oh, okay, I recognize

WellReadHead: a bunch of different influences as opposed to it, being a strictly regency

WellReadHead: Upper echelon

WellReadHead: kind of straight interpretation of the story

BusySomethings: Okay.

Tallgirl6234: I like the 19 fifties version, but it's like.

WellReadHead: With the hoop skirts. Laurence Olivier.

Tallgirl6234: I mean, but it's like, it's so ridiculous. But it's like, it's so somehow perfect.

Tallgirl6234: The 19 seventies version sixties version. It's just you just think to yourself like what a great deal of starch like nobody looks

WellReadHead: It's cut down

Tallgirl6234: Hair is just epoxied into place.

Tallgirl6234: And people are gonna kill me. But the Colin Firth version.

Tallgirl6234: the fact that they have like inner dialogue. I'm like, stop talking to me like I don't want to hear your inner thoughts get move on.

Tallgirl6234: It bothers me so much. Everybody's like, Oh, my God! When he comes out of the lake, and I'm like, and he has inner monologue. I don't want it just

BusySomethings: Hey? At the link? When does he-

WellReadHead: He doesn't have inner monologue at the lake.

WellReadHead: No, but when he's brooding about writing the letter

BusySomethings: It just

Tallgirl6234: Everybody loves it except for me. I was like, Okay, okay, like.

WellReadHead: It breaks That 4th wall for you

Tallgirl6234: No.

Tallgirl6234: and yet everybody loves it. They're like him, and clingy pants like there's even a reference in Bridget Jones to it, and I'm just like

BusySomethings: Oh, there's a couple of movies that refer to the whole, you know. White shirt drenched

Tallgirl6234: Yeah, I know, like people sit around. They're like, Oh, my God, it's the greatest film ever I'm like. I loathe it. I loathe it. It's on my list of things that you would make me watch. If you want to torture me

WellReadHead: Think it was the greatest

WellReadHead: film ever. I do think it was probably the most faithful adaptation to the original work. The 1995 version

Tallgirl6234: I would Like 2,005

Tallgirl6234: 2,005 to be as long as the 19 nineties version like that is the thing I think I would like most about 2,005. I wish it was 2 parts

BusySomethings: I think. And and as we're going into this, and what makes it so love, I think why, I think this is one of the such a chokehold on people is because in a modern way

BusySomethings: it gives you that quick fix of Jane Austen.

BusySomethings: In a condensed.

BusySomethings: Obviously, you know, they're usually they're 2 parts Mini series. So this is, and and I don't know the runtime off top my head. But this is

BusySomethings: a good throw. The book at you and the plot.

BusySomethings: and if you don't have a whole night to, you know, if you have like an hour and a half.

BusySomethings: 2 h, whatever you know, you could just watch it.

WellReadHead: It's also easier to digest in a lot of ways like they soften Mr. Bennett. They softened Mrs. Bennett.

WellReadHead: The characters of them. They're not as difficult to deal with. Darcy looks rather than proud and imposing.

WellReadHead: Darcy is kind of ROM-comed a little bit.

WellReadHead: so he's he's just an introvert who doesn't know how to people

WellReadHead: rather than somebody who doesn't wanna person because he believes that people are a certain kind of way.

WellReadHead: So it it really is broken down for modern sensibilities rather than

WellReadHead: being more faithful to the original material. But I I do enjoy like the the sweeping landscapes of things. And they- it sets a tone.

WellReadHead: The film sets a tone that

WellReadHead: you don't really get to until the middle of the 1995 version where you start to see the countryside of England and stuff like that. So

Tallgirl6234: Everyone wants to stand on a cliff, for, like the Jane Austen version of the Titanic bow of the ship, moment like

WellReadHead: Yeah.

Tallgirl6234: I'm sure, wherever that cliff is in England, it now has a fence

BusySomethings: Yeah, I think, though, you speak to like cinematically, I think this also goes to the

BusySomethings: how it feels. Modern is the color palette

WellReadHead: I mean the the drenched color palette, and the sort of sweeping

BusySomethings: I have this meme, and I actually it's not even a meme. It's just like

BusySomethings: it was. I saw it as a meme, where it said, like, what is your color palette? And it's the scene of Darcy walking at sunrise over the field, and you see that scene, and then below it. Does this actually quite beautiful color, palette of like the turquoises, some peaches. And all this I was like, actually, if I redo my room, I wouldn't hate this palette. This is a really nice calming, and.

BusySomethings: you know, like a comforting palette there. So I think the colors you know, didn't feel some of the things, I think, in other versions. The dance scene and the ball scenes were a bit bright with the lights, and it's like, but you didn't.

BusySomethings: It should not have been that bright

BusySomethings: when you think about it with all the candles, and I think that was it. The way

BusySomethings: the the camera work and the the shooting itself.

BusySomethings: So at the angles.

BusySomethings: Excuse me, I think were more of a modern approach as well

BusySomethings: And they didn't allow for.

BusySomethings: And I think this goes so I looked it up. It was like a 2 h, and like 7 min run time. So because you're trying to get so much in

BusySomethings: to such a short time frame, there isn't a lot of downtime and slow dialogue

WellReadHead: It is, it is very well paced in that respect. Aside from the cutaways to the scenery

BusySomethings: Right, like it's that

WellReadHead: That's where you get your breath to to kind of take in everything that's happened thus far, and move on to the next bit

BusySomethings: But but it's quite like

BusySomethings: the speed in which some of their talking takes place. The dialogue it does come across a little bit faster than you see in other versions.

WellReadHead: Yeah, which is again, that more modern aesthetic

BusySomethings: But we have things.

WellReadHead: It's very quippy and

BusySomethings: Correct.

Tallgirl6234: And the director wasn't like they're all usually come out like, Oh, I've loved Austin forever. This director was like, Yeah, I read it when I had to direct it. Like he has no emotional attachment of that, like tween like I would be the Darcy so like I think he chose what was necessary to get the story through instead of like. This is the scene everybody loves from the last version we must.

Tallgirl6234: Donald Sutherland said the same thing like he must have seen one version he was like. He refused to look at past versions. He didn't want any undue influence on how he played the character, so like Trying desperately to separate it from 1995, because that was like the iconic one that you didn't want to like

Tallgirl6234: End up being accused of duplicating

BusySomethings: Yeah.

BusySomethings: So I think also that the way they present the

BusySomethings: the characters like, you know the costumes, obviously. But no one I felt, was overly pretty or made up

Tallgirl6234: They gave Judi Dench wrinkles like you get that close up of her when she's lecturing her like. They gave Judi Dench like every wrinkle every like chin hair.

Tallgirl6234: That was we were living in the Barbara Walters, like ultra, filtered like the view kind of camera angles at the time to give Judi Dench a wrinkle was like

Tallgirl6234: No, no.

WellReadHead: To be honest about the age of the character.

BusySomethings: Yes.

Tallgirl6234: Oh!

BusySomethings: And they didn't put on like a letter, and not that some of the other versions had like heavy makeup on them. Maybe the

BusySomethings: the the what is the thirties is a bit, you know.

WellReadHead: I think you're. We're talking about the beginning of the digital age of film, too, where you don't need all of that pancake makeup that had to be worn

WellReadHead: for film

Tallgirl6234: Hmm.

WellReadHead: So you can. You can get away with, you know.

WellReadHead: letting a character not wear makeup

WellReadHead: or not wear a lot of makeup and just show their natural skin texture and stuff again, that

WellReadHead: that lack of sculpted sort of glass milk skin that is is very in vogue

WellReadHead: today. You see the the texture of the skin, and you see the the breathability of it, or lack thereof depending on

WellReadHead: the clothing that they're wearing

WellReadHead: as well, like, if they're wearing a corset, and you can tell, it's difficult for them to breathe and stuff like that. So

WellReadHead: yeah, I think that's that's a really interesting point.

BusySomethings: I also like that. I both like

BusySomethings: and sometimes get a little frustrated.

BusySomethings: Is that with Keira Knightley?

BusySomethings: She she is not a very top heavy actor.

BusySomethings: and they didn't try to make her have this like

WellReadHead: heaving bosom

BusySomethings: correct

Tallgirl6234: She was actually more of the ideal for that time period. So, like, I know, they didn't choose her bosom like, but like in pirates of the Caribbean, where they basically gave her fake boobs in the posters

Tallgirl6234: like, I actually really appreciate that. That was like, no, they were willowy. They were wearing basically see-through cotton and freezing to death.

WellReadHead: right

Tallgirl6234: Apparently for the proposal scene. They filmed it in freezing cold rain. She was like the most miserable thing ever, but like it gave us the intensity to get the scene done, because it's like 12 degrees out. That shivering nervousness was actually frostbite

WellReadHead: The the goose pimples that we interpret as deep love and excitement that

WellReadHead: her beloved is proposing to her is actually

WellReadHead: she's freezing cold and using that to to

WellReadHead: flesh out the the scene, so to speak.

Tallgirl6234: No, I mean to work with. It is like amazing. And for a younger actor at that time I think she was only in her twenties at the time. She wasn't like Super.

Tallgirl6234: so like to to work with

Tallgirl6234: as opposed to like. We can't film today. It's not sunny like. No, this is good

WellReadHead: Yeah. And that's true, too, that she was more the age of the actual character versus

WellReadHead: some of the other actresses who have played

WellReadHead: Lizzie being, you know, upwards of 20, or in their thirties.

Tallgirl6234: So because there's a Uk version of this film

BusySomethings: Bye.

Tallgirl6234: American version of this film

WellReadHead: Hmm. Good point.

Tallgirl6234: How do you feel about that last scene and the fact that half the world has no idea that that scene existed until somebody put it up on Youtube one day, and, like the Uk, lost their minds

WellReadHead: It's like was it Iceland or Finland? Reading a different version of Dracula?

Tallgirl6234: And so

WellReadHead: But they were actually reading like a fan fiction version of the book rather than an actual translation of Bram Stoker's Dracula.

Tallgirl6234: I just I remember one of my friends like from England sent it to me, and she's like, what the hell is this? And I was like. That's the way Pride and Prejudice End. She's like that is not how Pride and Prejudice like.

Tallgirl6234: And it came out like 5 years after the film like I don't know how, but suddenly, like

Tallgirl6234: the rest of the world, lost their minds. I just I remember that more than I remember the film. I was like people were mad

WellReadHead: People were angry.

BusySomethings: I think. Well, I mean, listen, we we get it. It is

BusySomethings: any of Jane Austen and certain writers. Their works are so ingrained and loved worldwide, that people have strong opinions, like deep, deep opinions about this

WellReadHead: Yeah.

BusySomethings: Now, when I look at the ending one, I'm gonna be interested to see.

BusySomethings: I believe that I know the releases here in the States. I'm not sure if they're doing it worldwide.

BusySomethings: And I'm interested to see which version is going to be put out, or if they're going to adjust it based on the country in which

BusySomethings: it's released. Like, will the Uk people get their

BusySomethings: the ending with Mr. Bennett in the library, or will they get the version we had.

BusySomethings: So I'm interested to see 1st what version will go out and where

Tallgirl6234: If they don't add it as bonus content. I don't think they'll sell a single DVD. That would be such a missed moment, for, like.

Tallgirl6234: I know they already had some promo events. Somewhere I saw a tiktoker like she should have been involved. She feels she should have been invited to it like. You don't know how much I love this, but

Tallgirl6234: it would be such a missed opportunity for them not to include that as a DVD. Bonus

BusySomethings: For the Uk audiences, I think for me.

BusySomethings: I think part of why, excuse me, it

BusySomethings: it kind of probably was necessary

BusySomethings: in some ways, because I feel just ending in the library with Mr. Bennett saying, you know

BusySomethings: I'm quite put out, or whatever the last words are, it doesn't. You don't get the wedding scene.

BusySomethings: You don't get like seeing them marry like I think that's the kind of like. Let's wrap this up in a tight, nice bow

BusySomethings: moment. So like, maybe you don't get the wedding, but you're getting after.

BusySomethings: And you know it's something that

BusySomethings: you know is not original. So

Tallgirl6234: See, I would have been okay with them, just touching foreheads in the field and skipping over the rest. I don't need the. You can only call me Mrs. Darcy when you're completely, totally. And I'm like, of course, like he's a modern day billionaire. And she just became a 1 percenter. We know their lives are going to go. Well, I don't. I don't need you to reassure me that every moment of your existence is going to be glorious.

Tallgirl6234: although a couple years later a masterpiece theater carried it. But it came out, and, like the British Christmas thing was, Death comes to Pemberley, and people were super pissed because Jane and Mr. Darcy had, like friction in their marriage, like great story, great everything! But it was like, how dare you imply that they had a moment that wasn't perfect.

WellReadHead: Are you talking about Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy, or Jane and Bingley?

Tallgirl6234: Oh, sorry! Elizabeth!

WellReadHead: Hi! Bingley!

BusySomethings: Okay, I loved. Death comes to Pemberley. That was

WellReadHead: Yes, I loved it too.

Tallgirl6234: So great, but like no idea that that was coming like, how dare you like

Tallgirl6234: people have such strong feelings

WellReadHead: When you think about it. From a realistic standpoint, like, of course, all of those characters would have had messed up marriages at some point like it. It just kind of goes along with being human beings. But we.

WellReadHead: we are told, a very specific story for a very specific purpose at a very specific time in those characters, lives.

WellReadHead: and we tend to stop at the end of the story. The brilliance of people who

WellReadHead: go beyond the ending that they were given, and think

WellReadHead: like, what? What would Lizzie and Mr. Darcy really have been like as married people? What would Jane and Mr. Bingley have been like as married people

WellReadHead: like

Tallgirl6234: Mr. Bennet and the kids. Mr. Darcy would rarely be home.

Tallgirl6234: They would be ostracized by at least some of society for marrying down

WellReadHead: Mhm

Tallgirl6234: And she would just become one of the hardest workers in society, because she just got married into one of the biggest families in society

WellReadHead: Yep.

BusySomethings: There was I don't know. I feel like there was a version, or fan fiction, or something, where I read where in it Jane and

BusySomethings: Charles have issues, conceiving and like

WellReadHead: Yeah, I think that was

WellReadHead: Oh, let me let me grab the book. Hang on

BusySomethings: But like, I think that, you know, like, yeah, not everything is gonna go. Well, necessarily. You know

BusySomethings: them getting to the point of being married

Tallgirl6234: Also that, breadth and gap of them getting married and they

Tallgirl6234: lived happily ever after. But that doesn't mean like children, and you know it doesn't mean that they don't. They are happy in the end. It does not guarantee you that every moment past this last chapter is perfection.

WellReadHead: Correct.

BusySomethings: What was the book? Red

WellReadHead: The Pamela Aiden books.

WellReadHead: Of Mister Darcy, yeah, they're excellent

BusySomethings: Correct.

WellReadHead: Prejudice from Darcy's point of view, and they go past the end of it a little bit to into what married life is like for those characters

BusySomethings: Yeah.

BusySomethings: Oh.

BusySomethings: so I mean, I think that we kind of talked on some of the what was different, or why people so obsess.

BusySomethings: What do you think?

BusySomethings: Well, let's go into this thing. I'm gonna actually pause where I was going. With that thought

BusySomethings: the hand flex

WellReadHead: I love the hand flex

Tallgirl6234: A totally improvised Matthew Mcfadden, Hand Flex, that wasn't written into the script.

Tallgirl6234: Come on.

WellReadHead: I am a sucker that is my trope for unrequited

WellReadHead: like enemies to lovers kind of deal.

WellReadHead: Oh, my God! Just that like I want to touch you, but I'm not allowed to moment

WellReadHead: that. It's so very evocative of

WellReadHead: the depth of his feeling for her, and she has no idea

Tallgirl6234: Like that over a clip of 50 shades I'm like, give me a hand flexing

WellReadHead: 100%

Tallgirl6234: Over like the most explicit scene I'm like. I'll take the hand

BusySomethings: And also to your point. Right?

BusySomethings: You said that she had no idea of his feelings. I don't think he fully knew he had a feeling he was probably at that point so confused like

BusySomethings: I like a pess

Tallgirl6234: And why do I like a peasant

BusySomethings: Right like. Why I like this person who is not what I was raised to like or expect to like.

BusySomethings: If- if why, you know

WellReadHead: Who teases me, who pulls me out of my comfort zone? Who? Yeah.

BusySomethings: Yeah, I think you're right. He didn't have the

WellReadHead: The capability of

WellReadHead: mining the depths of his own feelings at that point in the story which is part of why Darcy is so

WellReadHead: classically beloved right, the the growth of that character.

WellReadHead: Not that he changes for her, not that she changes for him, but that he has the wherewithal

WellReadHead: to go. I'm doing something wrong here. Let me please correct my stupidity and behavior, and become a better person.

WellReadHead: and you know

WellReadHead: I have no expectation of her ever liking me. But I'm still going to do this, because it's the right thing to do versus

BusySomethings: I think there was changing of his his. I think there had to be some form of change, because it's not just that

BusySomethings: he's like this is the right thing to do her rejection.

BusySomethings: I think he also he had changed because he was realizing, I think he viewed like

BusySomethings: possible matrimony and and quote love at that as as he saw it as that. Her I want her.

BusySomethings: That's who's gonna that's what I want for my wife versus understanding

BusySomethings: what was expected of him beyond just providing like to listen to.

BusySomethings: She pushed him to like Reevaluate, how he was

WellReadHead: Yeah, but the the beauty of it is that when she rejects him

WellReadHead: he has no expectation. A. That he will even see her again.

WellReadHead: because they move in such different circles.

WellReadHead: But also be that b. that

WellReadHead: if they were to see each other again, that she would have changed towards him like the 1st inkling that he had. They spend months.

WellReadHead: He spends months working on himself

WellReadHead: without the expectation of seeing her again, until she surprises him at his own house.

Tallgirl6234: Like a 1 percenter got checked for the 1st time. Ever every room he's ever walked

WellReadHead: Look into. That's the note he

Tallgirl6234: Just, how.

WellReadHead: He took the note.

Tallgirl6234: Money. This is how much property this is who his friends are for the 1st time ever, instead of a woman falling over him. She's like. Not only do I not like you when you propose to me which is the gold standard for any woman of the time I should want you. You are my financial future. She still says no, and his note back is like, Okay, I should probably work on that

WellReadHead: Yeah, but he that without any expectation of reciprocation.

Tallgirl6234: Yeah, on like one time.

WellReadHead: Transactional, no transactional expectations whatsoever it is, he

WellReadHead: checks himself before he wrecks himself, and

WellReadHead: well, actually, actually, after he wrecks himself quite, quite

BusySomethings: Really.

WellReadHead: Boldly, like he's like, here's a cliff. Let me go jump off it!

WellReadHead: Let me jump off this sucker, but

Tallgirl6234: Also gets hurt

WellReadHead: That's the Enduring. Legacy. Yeah.

Tallgirl6234: Like she has a mud coated skirt. He understands that she likes to walk, and then, when she's like, No, I'm gonna walk back to the town to like. Meet up with my aunt and uncle like he wants to go for a walk with her

BusySomethings: If not.

Tallgirl6234: Know how to ask, and she doesn't even consider that that would be a thing, because she's so used to going off on her own. So when she doesn't give him the inn which we believe the perfect like, walk down the lane and fall in love moment. He's like, yep, I respect your right to walk alone

WellReadHead: He respects her boundaries.

Tallgirl6234: Wait. That's a big one.

WellReadHead: That's a massive one.

Tallgirl6234: Chivalry like you cannot walk alone, fair maiden, in the forest. He was like, no, you do, you girl.

WellReadHead: You're you're willful and independent, you know. Those aren't necessarily bad things. Go for it. Do your thing.

Tallgirl6234: Oh, catch me in your house

Tallgirl6234: like spying on you. I'm not stopping on the patio to be like. Let's chat this out like reasonable adults. I am past the hotel. I am 2 villages over. I am burying myself in a bunker. You will never see me again. I'm not. I'm not stopping to chit chat about. Why, I'm stalking you. Hands deep in his underwear drawer. Oh, you live here

BusySomethings: Yeah, she I'm gonna make a mad dash to avoid being red in the face

Tallgirl6234: I like to walk. No, I like to sprint at a rate that Olympics Olympic runners have never seen before. I beat my family back to the hotel

BusySomethings: Yeah, I'm gonna run

BusySomethings: So I guess we are all pro hand flex

WellReadHead: Yeah.

Tallgirl6234: Yeah.

WellReadHead: Love, the hand flex

Tallgirl6234: Because back then it was much more like, you know, it's about the small little things like the flower, the fan, the like. You know the little intricacies of like life that had so much more meaning instead of like Yo.

Tallgirl6234: Buh Donkadonk

BusySomethings: I have issues. If that's what's happened.

Tallgirl6234: I like your excellent potatoes.

Tallgirl6234: Have you seen the sermons

BusySomethings: Oh, Mr. Collins, bless him!

BusySomethings: He is

WellReadHead: Excellent boiled potatoes.

BusySomethings: And and you know, I think, that I don't know if it was the active. Replace him in this version or the

BusySomethings: Colin 1st one, and didn't realize that the whole boiled potatoes become such a thing. He

BusySomethings: no, it's it's the Keira Knightley version that that doesn't

Tallgirl6234: Somehow.

WellReadHead: 95 version. I don't think

Tallgirl6234: No, but the

Tallgirl6234: Mr. Bennett in the 95 version, because they all sit around the meal eating, he ordered like a trifle, because he was like, this is great like they'll get you the dish of your choice. I'll get to eat like this, you know, trifle or something. Whatever he wanted. He didn't realize it was going to be like 90 takes, and for every 90 takes he had to have a spoonful so like his favorite holiday dessert.

Tallgirl6234: What's 1st ever ruined? Because, like he hasn't eaten it to this day because he's like

Tallgirl6234: when you eat 90 spoonfuls of it you

Tallgirl6234: like. Be careful what food you ask for, and I forget who asked for like grapes or something. Oh, Miss Bennett asked for grapes.

Tallgirl6234: so it was like she's just eating a grape. She ate 90 grapes. She went home and had a full dinner, and he, like that, is his biggest regret from the filming of that one was like. Never again did I eat trifle

BusySomethings: The world.

BusySomethings: So

BusySomethings: What do you think was not well executed about this

Tallgirl6234: Oh me! Call on me! I have this answer.

BusySomethings: Hmm! Let me see someone short and Not at all sarcastic

BusySomethings: Yeah, but otherwise I'll take you. Tall girl.

Tallgirl6234: Kiera Knightley's mer effing wig and the little short hairs coming out the back because she was also filming domino at the time.

Tallgirl6234: You're telling me nobody had a bobby PIN you couldn't have slightly stepped up the wig. She's got spiky hair coming out of the back for like half the movie.

Tallgirl6234: It's driving me crazy every time I watch it.

Tallgirl6234: If they could CGI the back of her neck for the 20 anniversary like if 25, th I'm just saying

WellReadHead: we all saw how that worked for Henry Cavill's mustache in Batman versus Superman. It doesn't work out well

BusySomethings: Got it did not. Wow! You! You have the strong

WellReadHead: Feelings.

Tallgirl6234: Every single, because from scene to scene it's there, and it's not, and it's there, and it's not. And once you see it

Tallgirl6234: like

BusySomethings: Seen it, but I didn't care enough about it.

Tallgirl6234: I was watching the like public ball scene. I think I was on a flight or something. So the subtitles were up, and then you hear like he's being introduced, and like this is a really great butcher. And you know this is the candlestick maker kind of stuff, and you realize there's all this dialogue that shows up in the subtitles.

Tallgirl6234: For the public ball scene. So now it's like, Oh, there's so much going on in the background you don't know about. So I ended up watching it with subtitles once, just because, they added, on all this other side conversation.

Tallgirl6234: that's my favorite part

BusySomethings: I mean, I gotta say I do enjoy subtitles now for a lot of pointing up, because.

BusySomethings: you know, as you supposedly age, we don't do that. It helps, you know, people tend to. I like because you like. For the same reason you catch little things that are being said in the background.

BusySomethings: But not necessarily for this one.

Tallgirl6234: I think it's because I'm used to them for foreign films like if they're there. I think I have to be paying attention so like for foreign films. I need them because I don't speak, you know, whatever, but like for English films, I'm like, I don't. I don't want to play reading comprehension. I just want to.

Tallgirl6234: whatever my ears allowed me to hear is good enough

BusySomethings: Red, what about you? What do you feel this version

WellReadHead: So I think that one of the

WellReadHead: reasons that the story works as well as it does is the contrast between Lizzie Jane and the rest of the family.

WellReadHead: and this version doesn't emphasize that contrast as well as other versions that I've seen.

WellReadHead: I I mentioned it earlier, like Mr. And Mrs. Bennet are a lot more likable in this version, you understand where they're coming from.

WellReadHead: whereas in other versions it's Mrs. Bennett is scarily selfish.

WellReadHead: and that almost is her motivation for getting her daughters off of her

WellReadHead: plate, so to speak, and get them married.

WellReadHead: as is Mr. Bennett. He's also incredibly selfish by not taking care of the family he had, rather than hoping for a boy.

WellReadHead: So I think that that contrast was missing for me.

WellReadHead: I mean, I just love Donald Sutherland so maybe that's part of it that

WellReadHead: I know and love that actor and know that he is a kindly or was a kindly soul

WellReadHead: at his core versus

WellReadHead: Mr. Bennett in the book and in other versions, is kind of aloof and doesn't interact with his family as much. So I think that's 1 of the things that the film did not do Well, I don't necessarily think that they got it wrong, but I just think that that contrast isn't there for me?

WellReadHead: And one of the things that it did well is dial up the yearning.

WellReadHead: It dials up the yearning it for I for Bennett.

WellReadHead: not Bennett, Bingley, and Jane. I have been the most inuterable ass

WellReadHead: And the hand flex, you know. It's it's

WellReadHead: it really does the romance bit well without taking away from the rest of the story.

WellReadHead: I think that's that's where I come down on it. It's not my favorite version

WellReadHead: the 1995 version is my favorite version. But that's because I like the bigger storylines

BusySomethings: Yes.

BusySomethings: and and that's what I was gonna say is because for the the pro of it being a short.

BusySomethings: you know, a faster modern telling

BusySomethings: one of the things. Then you get lost with that that you know. To contrast that you miss some of those small little lines.

BusySomethings: Bad? I, just, you know.

BusySomethings: become, you know, little things that you just miss that are not, said

BusySomethings: One of the couple lines I like is more some of the stuff with late Catherine

BusySomethings: when when they're at her house and talking about the piano and practicing. So it's a shortened version of that.

BusySomethings: But you know some of Lizzie's Zingers.

BusySomethings: You know, get missed.

Tallgirl6234: Almost.

Tallgirl6234: There's a scene with the after. Not Lizzy comes back with- who the hell, runs off with Wickham

BusySomethings: Lydia, Lydia.

Tallgirl6234: When Lydia comes back, and they're sitting around the table, and he's talking about like, Oh, we're moving to the north. And then

Tallgirl6234: Mr. Bennett says, like to his other daughter like absolutely. You can't go visit them.

Tallgirl6234: I was like they kind of did a disservice like what Wickham did at the time would have been the most scandalous thing

Tallgirl6234: This version kind of was like, oh, she ran away, whatever it's like.

Tallgirl6234: No, and also, dear Creeper, you'll never get your hands on another one of my daughters to like play this influence again.

Tallgirl6234: but that was like so subtle when it was like at the time they would have lived shunned for the rest of their lives

Tallgirl6234: Again. I think that's something they miss, because it's so quick

BusySomethings: With some of it with that whole scene is, you know well that that plot, I should say. You don't maybe grasp

BusySomethings: how much of a scandal. This was

WellReadHead: You don't grasp how much of a scandal it was! You don't grasp how much Lizzie had already let him go

WellReadHead: From her affections like in the 1995 version. She says that go, go. I would not wish you back again

WellReadHead: when he's leaving to go off with his regiment.

WellReadHead: So that's 1 of those little little lines, little Zingers, that you don't get in this version. But it's it, really

WellReadHead: it. You don't get the impact.

WellReadHead: the the social and economic impact that would have happened

WellReadHead: for a 16 year old running away with a man supposedly to get married, and then not actually getting married until

WellReadHead: several weeks into their affair.

BusySomethings: And the young one

Tallgirl6234: Found, because if they hadn't been found he probably would have dumped her in a ditch, you know, like 8 months later.

WellReadHead: Yep.

BusySomethings: Probably pregnant.

Tallgirl6234: Huh!

Tallgirl6234: But it's also, you know, like he ran up debts in town. He was like, you know, he went from town to town to town with the military building up debts, so he was not a good character in any way, which is kind of like. Oh, you know he's naughty, it's like, no, he's so much worse.

Tallgirl6234: like he targeted a 12 year old. Darcy's sister like that's

BusySomethings: Alright!

WellReadHead: She was. She was 15,

BusySomethings: She was but fifteen at the time.

Tallgirl6234: Okay. But in that time

WellReadHead: But he would have been 1st of all he had seen that child grow up

Tallgirl6234: Yeah, that's your sister. That's your sister.

WellReadHead: Second of all, when he started pursuing her, she would have been about 14

BusySomethings: Yeah.

Tallgirl6234: And it's a beautiful

WellReadHead: Even for the time period you can. You can make all the arguments you want. But even for the time period that would have been seen as disgusting

BusySomethings: Because Darcy's what like 15 years her senior.

WellReadHead: 10 years her senior.

WellReadHead: Darcy, if Darcy would have been 25 when the whole thing with Georgiana went down. He's about 2728

WellReadHead: During the course of of pride and Prejudice, I think

BusySomethings: But I think Wickham is a little bit younger than like a year or 2 younger than Darcy.

WellReadHead: Darcy, yeah.

Tallgirl6234: Okay.

Tallgirl6234: So it's it's an age gap. You would recognize

WellReadHead: You also don't get the implication that Mr. Wickham might be the older Mr. Darcy's son

WellReadHead: in the way that you do in the 1995 version.

WellReadHead: There's he was the son of the

BusySomethings: Steward.

WellReadHead: Steward , who was a very important position for someone who had as much land as Fitzwilliam. Darcy's father had, however.

WellReadHead: no, nobody else. None of the other important servants, their sons

WellReadHead: or daughters, didn't get taken care of.

WellReadHead: The way that Wickham did

Tallgirl6234: He was educated with him. That was an expense that wasn't just like you guys play together.

WellReadHead: He saw the same tutors as did Fitzwilliam. He

WellReadHead: went to the same schools as did Fitzwilliam. They were at Cambridge together. For heaven's sake.

Tallgirl6234: Huh!

WellReadHead: That that is no small implication that

WellReadHead: Fitzwilliam may have actually been Darcy's brother, and therefore Georgiana's brother.

Tallgirl6234: Don't know

WellReadHead: And nobody was.

Tallgirl6234: Like Mr. Collins, being a little bit light in the shorts and having to be told to go get married, because that's your religious duty, like we're worried that you're on the lighter side of life we need you to have.

Tallgirl6234: We need you to have a wife, because it's it's looking not good for you to be a bachelor right now like that's and for the youngest sister the expectation is, she's gonna be a spinster. So the bad singing, the wanna stay home. The dislike of parties that's perfect, because guess what her job's going to be when everybody else goes off and lives their life

WellReadHead: Mary, yeah.

Tallgirl6234: Like Mary's always this little character where you're like. Oh, just give her a shot! She had so much more to give

BusySomethings: One of the other things I didn't like from this is

BusySomethings: how Lydia is the one to explain that Darcy was the one that found them

BusySomethings: And because I think

BusySomethings: to me it's a conflict to the character, because Lydia is so I mean she does a good job delivering it don't get me wrong. But that character.

BusySomethings: such a basically an airhead, and so unaware of anything to be the one delivering this monumental piece of information

WellReadHead: Of, yeah.

BusySomethings: And so kind of like passively, like, just like casually over dinner, like trying to grab her wine. Oh, by the way, it was actually Darcy who fix this, and he was the one, and to have the details of no neck. He was the one who commissioned everything like

Tallgirl6234: I mean that expense would have been, but also in a place like London, to find somebody holed up in a little shack somewhere, who probably doesn't go anywhere but the pub and the bedroom.

Tallgirl6234: That wouldn't have been an easy find. That would have been an extraordinary hunt through the city

WellReadHead: Especially for someone who was as unfamiliar with that part of London as Mr. Darcy would have been, because his exclusive

WellReadHead: access to London would have been Mayfair.

WellReadHead: and maybe the House of Commons, because he wasn't a lord, but like he, he wouldn't have seen

WellReadHead: cheap side, he wouldn't have seen

WellReadHead: What's the the East side of London at all? He wouldn't he?

WellReadHead: He wouldn't have known where to begin to find them.

WellReadHead: but find them he did, and that is an impressive feat

BusySomethings: I think also in the 1995 version

BusySomethings: he runs, he finds the woman you see him find the woman

BusySomethings: Kind of help to orchestrate him.

WellReadHead: Georgiana's governess

BusySomethings: Correct.

BusySomethings: So I think that kind of helped bridges that gap that you're referring to him, knowing where to go. But he also would have had the resources

BusySomethings: and the money if if he didn't know

WellReadHead: Bow Street runners and

BusySomethings: He's gonna find someone who would know.

BusySomethings: Another thing that I did not like. And I I will say I'm not current to know what the time

BusySomethings: the outfit that Caroline Bingley wears to the the Netherfield ball. She had that, like

Tallgirl6234: Shoulder. Straps, thing

BusySomethings: Yeah, like, there's no the the sleeveless

Tallgirl6234: That would have been a. It looks great on her, with her auburn hair and her creamy skin like it's it's flawless, but that would have been the most scandalous thing, especially in a smaller village

Tallgirl6234: like. Maybe you could have pulled that off in Paris. It probably wouldn't have made it to London. It certainly wouldn't have made it to suburban Pemberley like it. Just it.

Tallgirl6234: No.

BusySomethings: With her, trying to flex on them and be like showing her brother.

BusySomethings: Look at they! This wouldn't even like they don't even understand how much I am

BusySomethings: making fun of them with just even what I'm wearing

Tallgirl6234: Well, even the reference to like expect us to catch a greased pig like that was a very kind of like

BusySomethings: Which part

Tallgirl6234: They used to grease a pig, and then they would make the courtiers chase it to make them look ridiculous.

Tallgirl6234: In 95. She says that when they're dancing in the public square, you know I expect anybody to take out a pig and expect it to chase us

BusySomethings: I don't remember that part

Tallgirl6234: So it used to be a form of entertainment to make courtiers look ridiculous because chasing a grease pig while wearing your silken satin suits was like

Tallgirl6234: she's trying to slay in very cool ways, but you know, like he has a

Tallgirl6234: it took me years to figure out she was actually in Yellowstone. And I was like,

Tallgirl6234: oh, my God.

BusySomethings: Yeah, I think the other thing also. Obviously, again, you have shortened time. You're gonna cut characters and change the missing of

BusySomethings: the other Bingley sister and her husband.

WellReadHead: Yeah.

BusySomethings: I miss them because they also are just.

BusySomethings: You know this is married couples in high society.

WellReadHead: Mrs. Hearst. Yeah, but again, and not titled

BusySomethings: She's

WellReadHead: She's not a lady, so it's like

WellReadHead: the bourgeoisie aspect of the Bingleys, and especially the sisters Bingley.

WellReadHead: That's something else that's not driven home.

WellReadHead: It's they're seen as high society by the people in Lizzie's area at Longbourn.

WellReadHead: but they're not actually as high in society as they appear to be in the instep

Tallgirl6234: As somebody half his rank

BusySomethings: And I also felt that the actress who plays Georgiana

BusySomethings: love the relationship between her and Darcy. But

WellReadHead: Too bubbly.

BusySomethings: Yes, 2 out there, 2 open.

BusySomethings: I feel like for me

Tallgirl6234: Skipped like you. You do not skip.

BusySomethings: You are the lady of this massive estate like

BusySomethings: you would have. That would have been drilled into you, I think, if it was just you and Darcy cool.

BusySomethings: But now there are other people

Tallgirl6234: But also weird for brother and sister to hop, skip, and spin quite like that, like I'm super excited. You just bought me a piano forte, but like

Tallgirl6234: maybe maybe not. The spinning

BusySomethings: And and also I don't know if it's just delivery when she 1st meets him and meet when Lizzie meets the 2 of them.

BusySomethings: and she's like my brother says you play well, and you know you must play a duet with me or something, and she's like brother. You must force her, and the way they leave that I'm like.

BusySomethings: hmm, hmm! That just was like that was an editing choice.

WellReadHead: It. It doesn't. It doesn't feel like Georgiana

BusySomethings: Yeah.

WellReadHead: From what little we gather about her is that she's very reserved and not forthcoming. She

WellReadHead: kind of hides behind her social mask a little bit so

BusySomethings: So there's that. Obviously, I believe you know

BusySomethings: when she's getting Lizzie's getting a tour of Pemberley. It's not actual statue that they have

Tallgirl6234: there's the

BusySomethings: We just sat there and got his face chiseled

Tallgirl6234: The bust of Mr. Darcy for you to lust after. Don't lick it

BusySomethings: Yeah Roman Greek, or you know Roman or Greek statue

Tallgirl6234: But also, like Lizzie, reads the letter in front of Mr. Darcy about the downfall of her family, like you would never walk out into the common room be like, Hey, Guy? Who I don't really like. We're socially destroyed.

Tallgirl6234: But that is a plot point from the book.

Tallgirl6234: but it's just like that would never. That would just never. That's 1 of those like. It helps the storyline. But you would never walk out and say that

BusySomethings: I think, for the fact that it includes Wickham.

BusySomethings: And again, yeah, I could see that you wouldn't normally. But

BusySomethings: at this point she has realized that

BusySomethings: whether either one of them recognize it or not, they trust each other more than they they show.

BusySomethings: So she, because he's also been honest with her. He was the 1st one to open that that honesty and say, Hey, that's cool, that you like, Wickham all

BusySomethings: bt dubs. He tried to make off of my 14 year old sister

WellReadHead: He's a CAD

BusySomethings: He's a rake. And so he opened that confidence 1st

BusySomethings: in such a you know such a private, you know

BusySomethings: detail of his life. So I think, for her while not coming to the Times. I think it was okay for their relationship, because he opened that door 1st and she was reciprocating back because, and not because she wanted to be like this is part of your doing.

BusySomethings: but because he could sympathize with what her family was going through and what

WellReadHead: Yeah, not to mention the fact that it would have been public news anyway.

Tallgirl6234: I was gonna say, like I feel like he would find out in London like a week later, and then fix it versus her telling

WellReadHead: The only reason that it didn't go public was because she told him

Tallgirl6234: But he told his aunt, because of a you know, scandalously patched up, she knew. So he did over dinner at some point. Just be like. Guess what I did

WellReadHead: Yeah.

WellReadHead: Well, Mr. It's implicated that Mr. Collins told her.

WellReadHead: Not that Mr. Darcy told her

BusySomethings: No, Dorothy wouldn't have done that.

WellReadHead: Mr. Collins, however, would have run his full mouth

BusySomethings: Mr. Collins would have murdered someone if it meant getting in better graces for Miss, for Lady Catherine

Tallgirl6234: I would have moved into the parlor for my own particular use, like I know, she encourages him to garden for his health, but, like, I would have moved into the parlor for my own particular use.

BusySomethings: I mean, for God's sake, did you hear how much was spent on the the

Tallgirl6234: The glazing, for the windows

BusySomethings: Glazing for the windows. She put shelves in a closet. Tall girl shelves.

BusySomethings: My God! This woman could walk on water! In his opinion.

WellReadHead: Hey! Here's a question about

Tallgirl6234: Wouldn't it be nice to have a fan that was like that? You put up shelves?

Tallgirl6234: Oh, my God! Fastest person ever

BusySomethings: What was the question? Red

WellReadHead: Could Mr. Collins have been fixed with group therapy and a chat

BusySomethings: No.

Tallgirl6234: No, he's amazing.

Tallgirl6234: Who spends time thinking of compliments that are the worst compliments on earth. That's not the guy looking for feedback.

Tallgirl6234: Even when Lizzie tells him like, Don't go over there and talk to Mr. Darcy. It's gonna be embarrassing, he's like, and off I go and then forbid. You don't know my association with your aunt

BusySomethings: That is the encouragement I need for you as a female to tell me. No, and then, damn it, off I go. No, I think he's too self absorbed and pompous for no reason like I get it like you had. Yes, you you are clergy, and like great, but

BusySomethings: in the scope of the. He somehow saw him being a clergyman on par with Lady Catherine, and

BusySomethings: like that, he kind of like, ran right next, like, not in the circle, but like right touching. And it's like, actually, though you weren't

BusySomethings: you serve your point. You were your purpose, I should say, you were necessary for my

BusySomethings: at church, what it

WellReadHead: Advancement.

BusySomethings: No, the the

WellReadHead: Parish.

BusySomethings: Thank you for the parish. But like

BusySomethings: we not, we're not cool like that.

BusySomethings: So yeah, no, he would not have.

BusySomethings: Therapy would done him no good.

BusySomethings: He just would have probably bored

BusySomethings: the therapist who, before she started to want to stab, or whoever wants to stab their own eyes

BusySomethings: or split. There is, I don't know. One of the 2

Tallgirl6234: You imagine a family therapy session? You get all the Bennett's, you get all the Collinses into like just even a family picnic

Tallgirl6234: that would have kept Jane writing for another 6 to 8 books

WellReadHead: Hmm.

BusySomethings: Actually 6.

BusySomethings: If if someone has arrhythmia, can we get someone who has the motivation? I'll help you like

BusySomethings: football like themes and all, and outline this. But can we get the Bennett's family therapy sessions like, I think that'd be a great series book series

Tallgirl6234: There's the fan fiction that tries to connect them all. So like, you know, Mr. Darcy knows somebody. So sensibility connects into like, you know. How can we like try to make it like, you know, certain books give you like the map and the fist like, there's a lot of people who have been trying to connect the Jane Austen books of like how these people would have lived around the same time and known each other

WellReadHead: The Ferrars would have known the Darcy's and the yeah

BusySomethings: Got it

Tallgirl6234: And there's also websites devoted to like. Pick your favorite, Mr. Collins, pick your like favorite Jane, like from all the adaptations. Who is your like favorite, Mr. Darcy. Kind of stuff

BusySomethings: Another thing I also didn't like in this version a little bit. Charlotte Lucas.

BusySomethings: I love the actress who plays her. I like her

BusySomethings: like. She's good in acting. The one thing I didn't like is, and and 95 version and other versions Charlotte is always fully aware of.

BusySomethings: She was brilliant in the sense that she's like, you know, she's 27. She's

BusySomethings: not married. No prospects. She's already a burden to her family, for God's sakes! So she makes a smart strategic move that, I think, is

BusySomethings: spot on fine.

BusySomethings: But she I felt in other versions. She's always

BusySomethings: still aware, even after she's married. What a silly man he is! And but in this version I feel like she kind of turns a little bit like she drank the kool-aid.

BusySomethings: Did you just say kool-aid, too.

BusySomethings: I did

WellReadHead: You drank the kool-aid

BusySomethings: She drank the Collins kool-aid, probably potato flavored just vodka at that point.

BusySomethings: And like she kind of was like, Oh, you know, like when she's telling Lizzie wear whatever you want, you know she like it comes across like she's now.

BusySomethings: you know, dialed into this. Oh, we are

BusySomethings: little bit better than we are, and that kind of is like, I didn't feel like she was not mean or rude, or anything, but I just felt like that. She kind of loses some of that like awareness.

BusySomethings: It

Tallgirl6234: I think she takes it as part of her labor, like, you know, I'm free. I get my own sitting room. But this is the ridiculousness I have to put up with like when we sit in church. And my husband basically says, fornicate

Tallgirl6234: like.

Tallgirl6234: I'd rather have my own home and run it and have to be associated with an idiot to bob along.

Tallgirl6234: Yeah, no, it's a lot.

Tallgirl6234: because if she's sitting there rolling her eyes, he's going to eventually catch on or somebody's gonna correct him as to her behavior. So it's just

BusySomethings: I don't think he'd be that aware

Tallgirl6234: No, but you know, should his favorite person point it out.

BusySomethings: Well, maybe if they have, Catherine, Lady Catherine pointed out. Sure, of course, but he's still, you know. Elizabeth is flat out, saying, I don't want to marry you, and he's like I get it. You're just playing hard to get, and she's like

BusySomethings: Bro. I need you to pick up what I'm putting down, and he's like, No, no.

BusySomethings: you still want me. So I don't think he'd be that aware. But yeah, if it came from Catherine, obviously, whatever she says

BusySomethings: comes straight from high above, and she's second only, you know

Tallgirl6234: She might even pass. God, who knows? I'm not sure.

Tallgirl6234: Find out who the Collins family is like. Was he a mama's boy, or is that just, natural, and a side effect of being completely unloved, like

BusySomethings: I mean, he could have also become that way if you think about it, since they're

BusySomethings: I don't know what are they? 1st cousins, second cousins, since

WellReadHead: First Cousins.

BusySomethings: 1st cousins.

WellReadHead: Mr. Bennett's sister married Mr. Collins's father. I think

BusySomethings: And so, you know, at a certain point you realize that the Bennett's aren't going to be having

BusySomethings: any male heirs, and regardless of what you may or may not do in life. You are inheriting this estate.

BusySomethings: You kind of get a little uppity in yourself. I'm sure you're like I did nothing but was be was born male.

BusySomethings: and that's all. And I I succeed and ready

WellReadHead: That's the entirety of my achievement in life. That's right.

Tallgirl6234: But also his 1st visit.

Tallgirl6234: And like, I'm gonna get this house, we're family. So we must have been in traveling distance the 1st time I ever visit you guys is on the behest of my

Tallgirl6234: patron.

BusySomethings: Right.

Tallgirl6234: You wouldn't scope that stuff out at 18 and be like yo. I got access to sweet, decrepit home in the country

BusySomethings: Don't be jelly, and also the whole like, you know, scoping out like, oh.

BusySomethings: I'm glad the estate can afford to have a cook like

Tallgirl6234: How would you not know that, like your mom must have gotten some like you would know what the father's yearly income would be.

Tallgirl6234: You would have a pretty good idea of like what your total earnings would be, because he knew what his daughters would get

BusySomethings: But this is why I feel he would be clueless, because he didn't like start to like

WellReadHead: It didn't occur to him to do any of those things until Lady Catherine was like, Hey, you're, you're, you know, inheriting an estate. You should probably take an interest in it.

WellReadHead: Just a thought

BusySomethings: Maybe do something. Learn, hey? If you're gonna have that estate

BusySomethings: and you're a priest. Well, not priest, a

WellReadHead: Vicar

BusySomethings: Vicar. Maybe you should be the example. Get be a wife.

BusySomethings: Okay? So Mr. Collins is wildly unattractive to all of us, like nobody gets their rocks off to Mr. Collins.

BusySomethings: No. Absolutely not

Tallgirl6234: Is Mr. Darcy actually attractive, or does he just convince us he's attractive because he's willing to change, which is like the ultimate female fantasy

BusySomethings: Are we talking about physical or personality and all

Tallgirl6234: Because we don't really know what he looks like in the book. It's

WellReadHead: No, she describes him as a pleasant looking man, so he he's reasonably attractive.

WellReadHead: So is Ted Bundy like that. That doesn't give me much to work with.

WellReadHead: No, but that's that's the attraction, is the fact that he he accepts boundaries, and he takes notes

BusySomethings: And he, and he changes. He! He

BusySomethings: doesn't just hear you. He hears you and understands

WellReadHead: He absorbs that shit

BusySomethings: So yes, if we're just going. Yes. Because I mean as a shock to neither of you banter good banter.

BusySomethings: where you are intellectually trying to one up each other is so attractive.

BusySomethings: I mean, even when he's in

BusySomethings: the room with her and Caroline, and talking about

BusySomethings: you could only be up, you know, doing one of 2 things you're either in each other's company to discuss like basically secret stuff. And I'm in your way, or you think your figure will look better

BusySomethings: by walking, and you know

BusySomethings: then I could admire for me like you, little cheeky son of a gun. You little son of Pemberley. You are just just that. It's just a little bit outside of his. That's, I think, the beginning where he shows just a little bit of his personality

BusySomethings: to Lizzie that he probably wouldn't have shown elsewhere.

BusySomethings: But he's in his best one of his best friends homes. He could be comfortable and be a little

BusySomethings: loose. So

BusySomethings: it's not, and and it's not for the money like that. Seems a bit much to have to be lady of a larger state like that, the banter, the pushing each other to be better, and to listen to each other and say, you're not necessarily wrong in how you view things. But you're not necessarily right.

WellReadHead: It's a truly reciprocal relationship

BusySomethings: Yes.

WellReadHead: There's there's a level of

WellReadHead: sameness, even though they come from 2 very different parts of society

WellReadHead: that they stand on the same footing.

WellReadHead: and he respects her, and she respects him

Tallgirl6234: 200 years later. Do you think Jane Austen would be pissed, that women still just want a man who listens and takes notes

BusySomethings: Oh!

Tallgirl6234: I mean. She wrote this at the time, and it was like, Okay, but

WellReadHead: It was

Tallgirl6234: You guys, you're lusting after my film, and you still haven't like gotten on the ball with this one. Really

WellReadHead: I think that she would have been gratified that love is a thing that we talk about when it comes to relationships now, because it wasn't really talked about when she was

WellReadHead: a young woman and then writing

WellReadHead: it wasn't. It wasn't a factor that people considered important

BusySomethings: It was a nice to have, not a must have

WellReadHead: Yeah, so I think that she would be happy. That

WellReadHead: love is something that we actually talk about before

WellReadHead: getting into a relationship. Now I think she would be a little bit disappointed that yeah, that men

WellReadHead: and women are less likely to bend for each other then they may have been

WellReadHead: in in times past.

WellReadHead: yeah, I think she would have. She'd

WellReadHead: trying to just roll her eyes and go. I guess I have to write my next book now, about

WellReadHead: whatever in the heck is going on in modern society, because it is rough out there

Tallgirl6234: Oh!

BusySomethings: You didn't answer the question about Mr. Darcy. Did you find him, tall girl? Do you find his character, whether physical or personality, as attractive

Tallgirl6234: Okay, because I don't do the looks thing like it actually bothers me. I do like the fact that he's willing to take notes and change.

Tallgirl6234: Matthew Mcfadden, while attractive, is not the hottest thing I actually appreciate that they didn't make him like Sir Lawrence Olivier. Kind of like

BusySomethings: agree.

Tallgirl6234: I like that. They were like mid for Hollywood like. Not that he's not attractive, but they didn't try to play it up. They didn't like level in his cheekbones like, you know, the games they used to play.

Tallgirl6234: He's

Tallgirl6234: way hotter than the pastier. Mr. Darcy would have been in real life at that time, like inbred. No chins kind of like

Tallgirl6234: Mr. Darcy would have been so unattractive, like just so unattractive

BusySomethings: He says he's good to look at

Tallgirl6234: No.

BusySomethings: Good looking!

Tallgirl6234: That kind of money and that kind of inbreeding he definitely wouldn't have been. That is, the most fictional part of pride and prejudice.

Tallgirl6234: The fact that he was rich.

Tallgirl6234: well liked, and well spoken, and good looking.

Tallgirl6234: No, there's a reason they kept on marrying the peasant class because the peasant class mixed their DNA enough to like make something attractive

BusySomethings: So, okay, so looks aside

Tallgirl6234: No, I think he convinces you he is good because he represents, like the financial security aside. Jane and her sister, or sorry Lizzie and her sister were pretty enough that they would have done well in society, even just in their own neighborhood.

Tallgirl6234: It's the fact that he is willing to onboard and take notes when he has no financial reason to do so.

WellReadHead: Yep.

Tallgirl6234: There's no woman in like a ballroom that he couldn't have just pointed to and been like you

BusySomethings: Yep.

WellReadHead: Correct.

BusySomethings: And many were waiting for that.

BusySomethings: I think one of the things when you're talking about the looks of Matthew

BusySomethings: Mcfadden that both him he and Colin Firth

BusySomethings: both felt awkward to our girls

WellReadHead: Yeah, under, under prepared for the task of being Mr. Darcy

BusySomethings: That they both felt like. I think it was the Colin cut the role. I think it was his brother who said something like, You're going to be

WellReadHead: You.

BusySomethings: Like, yeah, like.

WellReadHead: Gonna be the heartthrob. What

Tallgirl6234: Colin also wrote a letter to Mcfadden, and was like you do not understand. Like, secure your relationships, secure your marriage, because from this moment on. Women are going to think you're Mr. Darcy. For the rest of your life. You will get no rest as Mr. Darcy.

Tallgirl6234: but then he's like every like 20 years this film comes around, and people like See me in public. And they're like, Oh, my God! But also, oh, my God! You're so old, and it's like it's gotta be heart crumbling.

Tallgirl6234: Once a year when this film is shown in schools, a new batch of like tween girls fall in love with him, and then quickly, are like, Oh, my God! You're my grandfather's age!

BusySomethings: Yeah, we could be like a Mister Bennett.

BusySomethings: But yeah, I think that that's kind of funny that both men felt like they were like

BusySomethings: not deserving or not from an active perspective, but the mantle of the role, or that they could carry the

BusySomethings: weight of it. So I think that is always kind of

WellReadHead: Well, I think that's part of the misconception of Mr. Darcy is that

WellReadHead: he's supposed to be some Adonis that.

WellReadHead: you know, is just drop, dead, attractive, no no

Tallgirl6234: Like a good dad. Bod! Let's be honest. Deep down

WellReadHead: He's attractive because of what he does not, how he looks.

WellReadHead: So I think that there's a lot of

WellReadHead: people who have not read Pride and Prejudice, and have only seen

WellReadHead: the films, or haven't even seen the films, and they just assume that the feminine ideal for a man is

WellReadHead: Brad Pitt in Troy.

WellReadHead: whereas we're just like, no, if he's got a little tummy and some jiggly thighs, I'm cool so long as he listens to me

WellReadHead: and like doesn't make me feel dumb.

WellReadHead: or doesn't expect me to be dumb.

Tallgirl6234: That is.

WellReadHead: To make him feel better

Tallgirl6234: Library.

WellReadHead: Yeah. I Just want him for his library

Tallgirl6234: You were never more attractive than I found out how many books you owned

Tallgirl6234: Like, feel free to go back to London and talk with your business manager.

WellReadHead: That scene in Beauty and the Beast

BusySomethings: Oh, that's a high

WellReadHead: when he gives her the library. Forget it.

WellReadHead: You can get it, sir. I don't care how beastful you look. You can get it

Tallgirl6234: Like, even when they're at the other house, and her sister's sick upstairs like I got this. I'm in the library. She's already reading a book like I'm here to take care of my sister, but I also found time to peruse the shelves like, don't you worry. I have my priorities

BusySomethings: Like Jane, you good, alright good! I'm in the this is the clip. Hang, girl! I gotta read this one

WellReadHead: I gotta read the what was it?

BusySomethings: Udolpho.

WellReadHead: Udolpho. The Mysteries of Udolpho

BusySomethings: Is that what you're thinking

WellReadHead: Yeah.

BusySomethings: Okay, just making sure that we're synchronized here.

BusySomethings: You know some.

BusySomethings: That is

BusySomethings: I think that's what makes him attractive

BusySomethings: is his ability, especially at that time, to have said, I hear what you're saying

BusySomethings: that might status, and while everyone has always fallen over themselves for me.

BusySomethings: you are a person who yes, it would make things easier if you had money.

BusySomethings: but you're not willing to compromise on your

BusySomethings: not only your personal beliefs, but how I treat your family, especially your beloved sister, and

BusySomethings: you know what maybe I need. Maybe I need to take a look at me.

BusySomethings: and I don't think many people have had at any point told them that even in like the the

BusySomethings: 1995 version.

BusySomethings: when Bingley is like kind of slightly yelling at him like you mean to tell me Jane was in London this whole damn time, and you kept your mouth shut

BusySomethings: like the 1st time, and he admits like I was wrong, and

WellReadHead: The level of attractiveness just grows

BusySomethings: Oh, my God!

BusySomethings: Like sir, I will throw a handkerchief at you like, please

Tallgirl6234: I will say also special shout out to this version, because the soundtrack

WellReadHead: Oh!

Tallgirl6234: It's like it's a character on its own, like

BusySomethings: The swell of the orchestra when Jesus oh, my God!

BusySomethings: And the piano it just!

BusySomethings: And when you

Tallgirl6234: Hear her play, and then you hear the sister play it? Well, you're like, Oh, that's so well done.

Tallgirl6234: plinky, plinky, plinky, plinky! La, la.

BusySomethings: It is so.

BusySomethings: and it's, you know, like the other ones, the the 1995 version. I think that's when we've been comparing the most to. That is a great soundtrack, too.

BusySomethings: and it worked with that. But I think because this version is so short

BusySomethings: they leaned into the music more to help develop the emotions, the feelings, and I mean, obviously.

BusySomethings: soundtracks do that all the time in general, but I think sometimes depending on how the film is the dialogue, all, all that goes into place, and

BusySomethings: they know that they had to fill in places

BusySomethings: that they couldn't do with dialogue.

BusySomethings: a runtime scenery. And that's where this music. Just

BusySomethings: it just I don't know. Just bring a lot of emotion and depth that it helps you fall in love with the film. I think maybe that's other part of it

BusySomethings: is that you fall in love with the film.

BusySomethings: not only for the plot and the the book and the story and the characters. But you're falling in love with the way the music makes you feel.

BusySomethings: and that, you know, gets into your head for your love for this show of this movie. Excuse me.

Tallgirl6234: I'm still on the library thing

BusySomethings: I only want

Tallgirl6234: Go riding in the rain again. He's going to be here for another month, and I desperately need a new book.

Tallgirl6234: Risk pneumonia for your dearest sister

BusySomethings: You know, one of the scenes that I always love. I think the way they did the proposal on this one.

BusySomethings: and it's, you know in the rain and like outside, and she is just like up toe to toe in his face

BusySomethings: like that, I think, also adds a little bit to the modernist, while Lizzie does push back. And she's like, you know.

BusySomethings: idiot! Do you think I'm gonna accept you based on this this version? She is not what like she is

BusySomethings: up in his face wedding, and like both kind of like. There's that tension of like

Tallgirl6234: Was going to say. The lean and almost

BusySomethings: Kiss.

Tallgirl6234: Thing you were just like

BusySomethings: If you 2 aren't just screaming at each other, this would be the greatest moment to just

Tallgirl6234: Literally nobody around. This would be the place

BusySomethings: You can be scandalous. Show a little ankle, for God's sakes.

Tallgirl6234: Oh!

BusySomethings: I know I'm just

Tallgirl6234: Oh!

BusySomethings: I know I'm just going there, but I think that like

BusySomethings: that's also what help makes this a bit more modern is the the

BusySomethings: enthusiasm and delivery of her rate

BusySomethings: and and and turning down his proposal. Rejection!

BusySomethings: That is all like just that like, are you effing kidding me right now you're coming at me, and you can't understand why I'm rejecting you. Please let me enlighten you.

BusySomethings: And but the tension oh, the tension!

BusySomethings: Such good tension

Tallgirl6234: They give good, almost thinking about a kiss, I'm just saying.

Tallgirl6234: but that's infinitely better. Had they actually like leaned in for a lip peck. It just wouldn't have been the same

Tallgirl6234: that second of like, huh!

Tallgirl6234: anyway, who needs adult content when you have a hand flex

BusySomethings: Forever! The hand flex

WellReadHead: Well, that's a wrap on today's episode.

WellReadHead: Join us next time when we discuss the art of doing nothing

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WellReadHead: See you next time

Tallgirl6234: Until then stay sensible.

BusySomethings: Or embrace the chaos

WellReadHead: Preferably both