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Paul: [00:00:00] Sarah.

Sarah: Hi

Paul: Paul. How are you?

Sarah: That was a very stressful, very dark episode.

Paul: Wow.

Sarah: A lot of people went through a lot of things.

Paul: A lot of like, that was, that's maybe the darkest episode we've seen.

Sarah: Yep. Yep. Teabag and the house. Arrest of the Hollanders.

Paul: Suicide.

Sarah: Suicide, uh, sea note giving up on his wife. Ugh.

Getting to be, uh, yeah, just awful. Awesome. People getting up.

Paul: A lot of people getting like uprooted from their mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay.

Sarah: Yeah. Um, that was intense. Um, yeah, that was

Paul: episode 2 14 2 14 [00:01:00] called John Doe.

Sarah: Mm-hmm.

Paul: Uh, we are gonna have a, a wonderful guest, um, uh, a, a fan favorite and a cast favorite Reggie Lee who played, uh, bill Kim.

Sarah: You love to hate him.

Paul: Love to hate him. Um, loved working with him.

Sarah: Uh, I didn't accept to shoot him. Um Right. But you and him and the smog offs are, are truly some of my favorite scenes of speaking to Yeah. Uh, I had so

Paul: much fun with him

Sarah: show's called John Doe. Mm-hmm. If we didn't mention that, maybe we did.

Um, you wanna do the index because Sure. I wanna talk to Reggie.

Paul: Yeah. Okay.

Sarah: Okay. Hear me. Um, John Doe premiered January 22nd, 2007 is our first show of the year, 2007. That's also almost two full months after the last episode dropped in late November, making it. Our midseason, uh, premier little trivia. Um, John Doe is also the name of the series on Fox that Dominic Purcell starred in, that ran for [00:02:00] one season, uh, just a year or before prison break.

Paul: Interesting.

Sarah: Um, in fact, I think they liked him so much that they had him under contract, so they had him all queued up for all locked up for prison break. Mm-hmm. Um, this episode was co-written by our showrunner Matt Olmsted. Mm-hmm. And, uh, also Nick Santora, who is currently show running his own show Reacher.

Mm-hmm. For those of you who are fans of that, um, it was directed by our producing director Kevin Hooks, who as we mentioned, Paul, you're upside down.

Reggie Lee: I know you're

Sarah: back.

Reggie Lee: I'm back. It'll was it happened again? Now I'm back. Okay.

Sarah: I'm kind of enjoying it, I'll be honest. Okay. Um. Uh, so producing director directed this Kevin Hooks, who, as we mentioned last week, directed 14 episodes of the show over its initial four year run.

Uh, we love Kevin and in the usual 8:00 PM time slot against the usual network competition. Mm-hmm. Episode two 14, drew 9.86 million live viewers making it the most watched episode of season two so far, which was [00:03:00] the whole point of a mid-season hiatus. Yes. To kinda bring things up. So, um, bravo everybody,

Paul: uh, to recap.

Uh, our mid-season premiere, Michael and Lincoln have followed Kellerman out of the trap that was set to kill them. But Lincoln recognizes Kellerman and tries to kill him by punching me in the face as he's driving a car. Kellerman instead convinces them.

Sarah: He does also put a gun in his face, but yes. Yep.

Paul: Convinces them to trust him by revealing the whereabouts of Terence Steadman and the trio Go to Montana to capture him. Maho and Kim try and fail to thwart them, but they success they do successfully. Abduct Tedman. The plan is to reveal to him being alive to the world, which would, in theory mean that Lincoln is innocent of killing him, obviously.

Meanwhile, Maho draws a line in the sand and refuses to work for the company any longer. So the company attacks his son to get him back on the job. Ah, elsewhere in Fox River, Beek is trying to adjust to life on the other side of the bars. He surprised attacks an [00:04:00] inmate and his crew who had been harassing him only to have the cos let them into his cell in the middle of the night for revenge.

Horrible, horrible teabag and Mrs. Hollander are settling into the creepiest of all possible domestic routines. And Sea Note is trying to keep his wife's arrest from their daughter. And now back to the main story. Steadman manages to kill himself before the brothers can make good use of him being alive.

Sarah: Uh, wow. And so No Suray, no Sarah, no haywire. Oh no cra right. They are in the wind. 'cause there's a lot going on. Lot going on. No. Sarah. In Tech News. In Tech News. Uh, on January 7th, Ste Ste Ste. In Tech News. On January 7th, Steve Jobs introduced the first ever iPhone Wow. Changing the mobile phone industry forever.

That is right Folks. Prison Break is older than the iPhone, um, and in it's a bad day to be a Bird. News. January 15th marked the global spread of the Avian Flu, [00:05:00] prompting Japanese authorities to burn more than 10,000 dead chickens.

Paul: Yeah. And in, remember when she was super famous news on January 17th, superstar Lindsay Lowen entered her first drug rehab program at the tender age of 21. It's hard to be a child star in Hollywood. And Hollywood is brutal, especially children In literary news, on January 11th, JK Rowling finished writing Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows, the last book in the Harry Potter series in room 5 5 2 of the Bal Morrow Hotel in Edinburgh.

Sarah: Right.

Paul: That's, wow. Very specific. Yeah. We'll be right back to talk about the episode. Quick break.

All right, all, we're back. We're back. Hello.

Sarah: Um, this was like, I think this was the most kellerman we've ever had. I enjoyed the ever living daylights. I [00:06:00] keep saying this, I will keep saying it. I love the, like I. I don't give a fuck Kellerman, but like I am now out in the cold and, uh, you guys are all gonna be in big trouble.

What,

Paul: what do you, what do you identify as? Like, what's the di like cha characterization wise or what? I just, so what are you sensing differently? Um, like what feels different to you?

Sarah: It feels like he doesn't care. It feels like not, not that it feels like he doesn't care. There has been a deference and a control and a restraint.

Paul: Ah.

Sarah: Um, and a real, um, a real sort of devotion to the chain of command.

Paul: Mm-hmm. Oh, and

Sarah: freed from all of that. Mm-hmm. There's a sort of a relaxation and an ease and a like, man, I've been taking orders a long time,

Paul: Uhhuh. That ends Nowing. It's interesting. I don't think I ever, th it doesn't matter, but I don't think I specifically, that wasn't conscious.

I don't think so. I don't think I [00:07:00] thought of it that way. I mean, he, he, he's such a mission driven guy. Mm-hmm. And now his mission is different and that obviously changes him. Um, I do feel that not having the uniform on Changedd, how I physically just felt different. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and yeah, it's much more, um, frenetic given what, what he's, what he's doing.

Um, and yeah, I think that there's something different going on. You know, I always had in season one, in the beginning of season two, this thing, not like I was a robot, but like I am a tool. Mm-hmm. Right. There was a

Sarah: good soldier element to it. A good

Paul: soldier element. Yeah. And now it's like, uh, you know, it's still a good, it's in service of something else.

So yeah, I guess the vibe is different. I love the thing they did, and they, it goes, it, it bleeds into the next episode. I love the Lincoln, uh, Michael Kelman. It's so great that Lincoln's constantly like, [00:08:00]

Sarah: can

Paul: we just kill him? You can't do this in this. And Kellerman being like, um, yes I can. Uh, uh, and Michael saying like, you think you're in charge, don't you?

And Kellerman being like, I am. That's a hard test. But he, Michael does take power in this one.

Sarah: He does. Although, you know, I think what's interesting is in some ways, certainly Lincoln has never encountered anyone in his life, like Kellerman. You know, like Michael has, he's been an architect. He's been an engineer.

Like there's, there are circles in which people like Kellerman are not outliers. But you get the sense that Lincoln has really, like you ain't never had a friend like me. And so there's an almost recalibration uhhuh. Like he's got a skillset for dealing with

Reggie Lee: uhhuh

Sarah: people who are dangerous in different ways.

He's got a brother that he's used to like being the smartest guy in the room, but he trusts him. The

Paul: com the combination.

Sarah: Yeah. Oh, that's interesting.

Paul: Yeah. [00:09:00]

Sarah: And it's interesting to kind of watch Lincoln be like, I'm going to, uh, I don't know. And it's, it's cool. And I like that Dom just sort of played it. He does, you know, and, and played it straight.

Just like a little bit of a like, ah, Michael, like what's the, and Michael

Paul: kind of being like, I don't know.

Sarah: Yeah. Gimme a a if you really have a choice. Yeah. Let me figure this out. Why don't, we mentioned this on the, on the rewatch, but one of my favorite moments actually is when they're just about to get on the private plane.

Paul: Yeah. With

Sarah: Kellerman on the way. And Lincoln stops him with a look. The look is, are we seriously about to do this? And it's like an entire conversation that's had non-verbally.

Paul: And what does Michael say? We don't have a choice. We

Sarah: said we don't have a choice. Um, but it's great. And I wonder if there were lines in that scene.

That's a good, I was just wondering.

Paul: I was wondering,

Sarah: yeah, because they communicated a lot. You said that you had some cool stories about the driving sh shots in the teaser. Um, and also by being dragged outta the car, [00:10:00] uh, Dom dragging you outta the car.

Paul: I remember. Um, because

Sarah: that's a lot of man meat to drive you outta the drive.

Yeah.

Paul: I remember there being, I'm surprised that it was, it was Kevin directing it, right? Mm-hmm. I remember having an argument with somebody about the sunglasses, and I was like, maybe it was a different camera operator or something. It was like, oh, we're getting a refl. And I was like, I've been wearing these sunglasses for like, for a

Sarah: season and a half,

Paul: for a season and a half.

Um, the, when he pulled me outta the car, that was. You could tell, you could tell with your director eyes that we were running outta light. Yeah. And in my head you could

Sarah: see the light on both of you is very much, um, sunset. Yes. Like sun horizon. Sun. It's this light. And

Paul: I think when it's on them, someone's holding a light over my shoulder.

Yep. That,

Sarah: yep. That feels right. Right. '

Paul: cause um, and I remember all day in the back of my head being like, that was the, that's the scene I had in a kind of green way. I had [00:11:00] worked myself up about like, right. You know, gun's in my face. I have to convince them. That's the moment where he finally convinces them.

He has this piece of information. And, and, uh, you know, I was trying to, I was doing too much work, frankly,

Sarah: not by the time it air my head in my head. Oh, okay. Okay. In your head. Sure, sure.

Paul: And by the time we got to it, there was no fucking time. Yeah, it was like one, I think it was two takes. I don't think they planned We're gonna shoot the planned, planned on shooting it.

Handheld. Yep. It was like, drive down this road. Like just, just get out and shoot it. Yep. And I think we got two, two cracks at it and I remember it feeling not very good. Yep. Because I think I had planned on, I heard the hard tune of it in my head or whatever. Yeah. But I look at it now and I'm like, I don't know what I would've done differently.

I'm not saying totally works, it's great. But I'm like, it's that thing where you walk away behind No, it's great. Didn't, I didn't do what I was trying to do. And you're like, that's none of your business. You gotta let go of that. Yeah. So that's such a good lesson. Right? It's, it was such a good lesson and working with, you know, it was, [00:12:00] I learned a lot working with, with, um, Dom and Michael be, uh, and, and went, because they had spent, you know, there's, at that point in, in my life, I'd done a lot of work, but just that all day, it's you, I.

Take after take after take after take. And then the next day it's all day. You take after take. I hadn't done that on prison break. I had like a couple big days. Mm-hmm. They were rarely next to one another. Mm-hmm. And you know, it's one of the great blessings of theater or uh, uh, film or TV when you're working a lot is that you don't have, you can't be precious.

You gotta let it go. And even on a day like that, you're like, next scene. Okay, that's gone. Like, moving onto the next scene. And that, that is just such a, you learn, I feel like you learn so quickly mm-hmm. That way and that, that was great. And I watched how those guys navigated it and to get to work with, you know, Jeff Perry, I'm sure I've said this before in this show, but he, growing up in Chicago, he's one of the founders of of Steppenwall, of, of Steppenwolf [00:13:00] Theater.

I, I had been watching him since I was 10 years old. I had worked at Steppenwolf in my twenties. Jeff was around, I knew him, his wife, uh. Linda is a huge casting director. Um, oh wow. Uh, and, uh, cast private practice and Grey's Anatomy and all those shows. Oh, wild And Scandal. Um, but I knew them from when I was a kid, really.

And then to get to finally work with him was just a mind blower to me. And he's, and also watching him work again on a show where he didn't have a lot of status. He hadn't been there, you know, he's just so great. And he's, you know, that scene, he's pretty, I mean, he's suicidal and he's like at the end of his rope the whole time.

He just does it so effortlessly, so great to be around him. And then I got to work with him on Scandal, you know, some years later. He was, which was greater. There's an

Sarah: economy to Jeff's work that I think is really incredible. Um. Beautiful. And it's interesting because I think they come at it from different sides, like so Went and Dom, by this point in the show, I think we're running [00:14:00] largely on intuition.

Paul: I think that's right. 'cause

Sarah: they've gotten to know the characters so well.

Paul: Yep.

Sarah: They're so fully inhabited.

Paul: Mm-hmm.

Sarah: That you can, and, and you're in that rhythm. You're like, I did this all day yesterday. I'm doing it all day tomorrow. And you in some ways inhabit a little bit of that joint reality with the character, which is, I don't have the time or the energy to make this the most important moment of my life.

That's right. That's right. Because the one before and after are the same. That's right. That's such a, in the same room you've got Jeff who works so little on this show that he's come in with this whole like

Paul: Yeah.

Sarah: Process at theatrical training.

Paul: Yeah.

Sarah: And yet the result. It doesn't feel like you're in different shows.

No. You know what I mean? Like the four of you really feel cohesive from a performance perspective and it's all very believable and, and very different, which is kind. Yeah. And I like about

Paul: the scenes is, is, um, there's four different energies happening and you [00:15:00] kind of really get that. Mm-hmm. Michael's trying to take control, he can't mm-hmm.

Kellerman's in control, but it's slipping away and he kinda doesn't know it. Right. Lincoln is ready to pounce, but he doesn't know who to pounce on. Yep. And Steadman is just, is falling desperate. It's like coming apart.

Sarah: Yeah.

Paul: Yeah. It's great. It's really fun.

Sarah: Um, it's nicely written that way actually. Yeah.

'cause it, it brought, it brings in some really interesting people and genuinely I don't see it coming. You know? I mean, when he blew his own brains out, I was like, oh, right, right. That's how, that's how this goes.

Paul: Right.

Sarah: Um, I have a quick story Yeah. About the lake. Oh yeah. Because it was a sort of quintessential, and I think it's the same lake, I'm not entirely sure, but I was living in little forest hills and there was a lake walking distance from my house.

And I remember when I'd first moved to Dallas, and please stop me if I've already told this damn story. Um, [00:16:00] it was July, like first, second, or third. Mm-hmm. Because I remember when it happened. Thinking July 4th is right around the corner. I'm walking my dog, uh, I'm walking my dog a couple blocks from my little cottage to the lake.

It's so hot. And I hear what I think is a firecracker go off behind me, and I turn around and there's a man standing on his lawn with a rifle and cowering on his lawn. You know, like 30, 40 feet away is a homeless guy. And it was not a neighborhood that had a, a homeless population Oh my goodness. That I really ever saw before since, but you know, the guy was a little disheveled and a little intoxicated.

And I turned around, realized it was not a firecracker. And I'm sure I was not calm about it because I'd never been that close to somebody discharging a firearm like in life. And he was like, he was hassling my wife on my lawn. And I was [00:17:00] like, I am in Texas. And you know, Texas has castle doctrine, right?

Which says that if somebody comes into your property and you shoot them, it's considered self-defense. I continue walking to the, um, to the lake and I'm like, I'm not super shook, but I'm like, that happens. And that sha

Reggie Lee: me is a first,

Sarah: um. And I'm walking, and my dog had this big white golden retriever named, uh, pka at the time.

I remember pka wonderful dog. She was the greatest. And she was like a Buddhist. She was like the loveliest, she like saved a little baby bird once to fell outta a nest and it's hot. So she's jumping in the water and she's swimming, and all of a sudden she's like, Yiping, and there's blood in the water. And I was like, what in the name of?

And I like drag her out and her like, if this is her back leg, her haunch is just pouring blood. And I like [00:18:00] turn around. And some guy had seen it happen. He goes, what happened? And I was like, something bitter her. I don't know what on earth, but something got her. He did you have a car here? And I was like, no, I, you know, I live whatever, eight or 10 blocks away.

I can't carry her. She's too heavy. He goes, all right, I'll drive you to the, uh, I'll drive you to an emergency vet. And I was like, okay. So I just get in a car with this stranger. I'm calling my husband on the phone. And I don't think he'd even come down to Dallas yet. He might've been in New York and I was like, this is what's up.

Um, and what followed was very dramatic. I, you know, of course we're both soaked, covered in blood, like walking into the emergency vet. And it was really interesting because like again, I had just gotten to Dallas. Yeah, yeah. And so within an hour you get the whole

Paul: experience.

Sarah: My neighbor's shooting people, and a stranger is kind enough to take me to the emergency vet with my dog.

There's a lot going on here in Texas. Wow. There is a lot going on. And I believe that's the same lake. I think it looked like it, but I could be wrong. That, um, [00:19:00] that all the Sea Note and Didi stuff is shot. Oh, what happened to

Reggie Lee: pka?

Sarah: She got stitches. She step on something. No, I, no. So that was the thing. We started talking to locals and someone was like, oh, I think there are gars in that lake.

And I was like, what's a gar alligator?

Paul: No,

Sarah: it's like, it's one of those prehistoric things with teeth like this. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh God, that's like kind of alligator adjacent. Um, so I learned what that was, that the best thing that someone could think of is that she like

Paul: got guard. She got,

Sarah: she got guard.

Yeah. Um, that's my story about this episode 'cause I wasn't in it. So that's what I would say about that. That's, that's

Paul: pretty great. Um, should we, do you have

Sarah: any other stories about,

Paul: I mean so many, but I think we should go talk to Reggie. We have Okay,

Sarah: let's go talk to Reggie. Just stuff. Do you wanna introduce him?

Paul: Yes. Uh, Reggie Lee, uh, has been acting since 1996. Prison Breaks was one of his first major roles on television. He would go [00:20:00] on to do 120 episodes of Grim with your friend of mine, Silas Ware Mitchell, as well as dozens of other shows including All Rise Lincoln Lawyer. On the feature side, Reggie's credits read like a really cool shelf in the dearly departed blockbuster videos, films, pirate of the Caribbean, star Trek, crazy, stupid Love, fast and Furious.

Here comes the boom. I mean, and he's just really a hard guy not to like, he's just a wonderful guy. Oh, good guy. So can't wait to talk to him. Uh, we'll be right back with Reggie.

Sarah: We'll be right back with Reggie.

Paul: Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Kim himself. Reggie Lee.

Sarah: Oh man. Your hand in mind. Please

Paul: don't shoot me. Yeah. And

Sarah: I think, you know, I have to do this math. I think you might be the only person I killed in this show.

Reggie Lee: Oh, wow. Wasn't you Sarah? You, it was Sarah. You too sarah.

Sarah: Hundred percent

Reggie Lee: me. It was a hundred percent me.

Um, and it was the only time I think I saw you on the show.

Sarah: Yeah. Like, [00:21:00] actually, so like, hi, nice to meet you. Huge fan of your work. I'm Sarah.

Reggie Lee: Bye. Take five

Sarah: steps back. Gone

Reggie Lee: get those, get those squibbs in and go,

Paul: Reggie, we are percent, we are, I mean, first of all, rewatching the show. I dunno if you've re-watched it, but it's, it's such a, it's such a, it's so crazy because, you know, it brings back memories and then you're like, I don't remember this at all.

And it brings you back to the actual day you shot things. I remember seeing that you and I did in these chairs. I actually remember what we were talking about in between takes and stuff. Why? And then, but then we are having so much fun watching your Charact God character. Oh my God. And the way that you play him we're like, he's the only guy who's more smug than Kellerman.

It's true. Um, you guys have these like telephones, like smug off. We're just like, it's so good on our, on our flip phones, which are so fun to act on. Mm-hmm. But Mike here, I have a, we have a question and it's a question that comes up a lot with people and we talk about as actors. It, it's not, it can't be easy coming into a show [00:22:00] where you don't know anybody, where you're not a series regular.

Except your character has more status.

Sarah: All the power in the scene, all the

Paul: power in the scene. Like, 'cause there is an actual power thing on set and it's hard to sometimes stand there and be like, I'm gonna tell these guy like, you know, I'm gonna like swing it around a little bit. You do it. So, yeah, no, I'm actually effortless.

I'm

Reggie Lee: actually getting it. No, I'm getting anxiety now. Just talking about, it's tough, you know? It is, it's, it's, it's uh, tough going in and you have an idea of how you want to do this and you go in as prepared as possible and then they, they kind of flip on you, you know? And as a matter of fact, that that whole thing was after, I think this was only supposed to be a five episode arc.

Okay. Wow. I don't know if you guys know that it was only supposed to be five episodes. Uh, they told me that I was on a hiatus from shooting a film, so they said five episodes and I went in and played it. I listen, it was the era of like bad guy [00:23:00] roles for me. So that's. All I was playing, it was that kind of era of like, he's Asian, he's got bad, he's a bad guy.

So that's all. So I was like, okay, we like John. I know how to do this. We're gonna do this now. Exactly. Yeah. I know how to do this. After that, I think there was one episode where I pull up in a car. All I did was pull up in a car. I didn't even know who I talked to at that particular time. I mean, I didn't see anybody except a phone.

Right. So I spoke to someone and then, um, Madam said, bless his heart. I love that guy. Yeah. He was like, okay, so we don't want you to play this like the typical bad guy. We want you, we want you to play him like a customer service agent. Mm. We want you to do customer service all the way through.

Paul: Oh, I like that.

And so I was like,

Reggie Lee: okay. I know how to, that I can, I think I can do that. That's kind of actually more me, but that customer service agent can easily turn into smug. Oh. In a, a heartbeat. Because it's '

Paul: cause it's that power. Yeah. Because you have all this power over the people you're talking to. Mm-hmm. And [00:24:00] it's this like Exactly.

It's this friendly, like, good morning Mr. Kelly. Like it's all, it has the customer service kind of mm-hmm. Patois to it. Right.

Reggie Lee: Right. You don't have to raise your voice, you don't have to do anything. You just have to smile and do your job. Right. That's why I think everyone was like, I'm gonna slap that smile off his face.

A hundred percent.

Paul: A hundred

Reggie Lee: percent.

Sarah: But it, it also makes you feel so much more dangerous. Yeah. Because the most relaxed person in the room is always the most dangerous. True. It's, it's not the person who's like, oh, I'm gonna fuck you up. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it, you immediately have so much status, at least on camera.

Um.

Reggie Lee: That's a really cool prompt. It's definitely on camera. You know, I was a big fan of the show. Season one Uhhuh a huge fan.

Paul: Oh, really? So you've seen it. I have to say, you guys,

Reggie Lee: I loved you both. Like you were I seriously, I I have. That's cool. I was like, you know, both your characters were so wonderful in the way they were played.

Uh, and I was just, I was just a big fan and I was so stoked to get on the [00:25:00] show, um, just to do even a little bit. And it was, it that, that made it even more anxiety. I would, yeah, we talk about that too. Oh, interesting. You know, but thank God I was by myself. 'cause then I didn't have to like talk to anyone, you know, I didn't, I I could kind of create that world in my head.

I mean, until I talked to Paul that it was just like, alright. Did you guys, Paul, I think you were the one that I saw the most really. For sure. Like Sure. In the van. In a van, you know, mostly in a van going to set and, yeah. In a van going, did, did you guys

Sarah: ever actually call each other on the phone? I don't remember.

Like, were those ever practical calls? I

Paul: remember doing it off camera. I remember doing it off camera a couple times, but those phones didn't work. Those were like toy phones. No.

Reggie Lee: Okay. I wish, I mean, that's always a dream, right? Yeah. To get that, like, just to, to do it for real. Yeah. Is is a really, no, never.

Mm-hmm. Never, never, never. I was on a phone so much, I just, I, it was, who was I with? I was with you Paul. I was with Bill Ner. I was, uh, with Leon Russum. Mm-hmm. Um, most of the time. And then [00:26:00] as soon as I started seeing more people, I knew I was about to go.

Sarah: Yep. Yep. Silas actually talked about that. He's like, as soon as they start, oh.

He's, uh, we did, he came on season one and I, we gotta have him back. Awesome. I just, I adore him. I love that you guys then got to play together for like five forever, seven years. Forever. I mean, yeah. That's crazy. Kind of a wild connection. What was it like going back to him? We'll, we'll come back to prison break, but just, yeah.

Small silence, detour, like, you

Reggie Lee: know, we studied from the same coach actually Silas, myself, KK Dodds. Yeah. All studied with a guy named Harry Master George.

Sarah: Okay.

Reggie Lee: Um, and Silas and I were doing a scene together from Beckett and we both got that call to do Grim. Is that crazy? That is so isn't that that cool?

Paul: That's crazy.

Reggie Lee: Yeah. And I had never worked with him on, on Prison break. I never saw him. I saw KK all the time. We stayed in the same hotel, all that kind of stuff. But, um, Silas, I never saw, [00:27:00] um. Yeah, no, it's crazy. Uh, and then, um, getting to be with him, it was just, you know, there's always that connection there.

There were six of us in the original cast of Grim and there was always a pairing. Like two people had worked together, two people had worked together, two people had worked together. And Silas and I had worked together. Yeah, we worked together, but, uh, knew each other. So, um, it's always nice to have a friend on the show.

I mean, did you guys have that, did you guys know each other on the show, anyone? No,

Paul: but we got to know each other season one socially, even though we had no scenes together 'cause we lived near each other. Mm-hmm. Um, in Chicago and stuff like that. And then season two ended up obviously doing a lot of work together.

And so that was great. Um, tell us like when you got cast, besides telling you be mm-hmm. To, besides telling you to be a customer service representative, did they tell you anything about Arc or any of anything like

Reggie Lee: that? Or was it. No, because I think they were literally, well, I, not about, not about [00:28:00] no, I'd, I'd have to say in my recollection, no Uhhuh, but I knew it was five episodes, uhhuh.

So that was the thing that when they went beyond that, I think it went to 14 episodes eventually, or 15 episodes, something like that. But, uh, it, it, um, yeah. And so they, they, they told me nothing. All I know is Matt Olmsted at the very end said, he called me. He was gracious enough to, I, I hope we can say this, because it's only like the second season, like the 14th episode.

Could we say things? Obviously we can Sure. Because we already talked about it. Like spoiler alerts. Yes. Yes. Okay. So yeah, he was like, listen, you're done. I mean, we have built you up to be like the, like the meanest, baddest people hate you so much that there was one idea that we would kill you by blowing you up with firecrackers on the boat.

So he said, that's fantastic. It's just, it was a really, you know, I love that guy. He was just like, it's a [00:29:00] testament to you, but we have to kill you in this. Yeah. You know, whatever episode it was, and I was like, Hey, have at it. You know, I've had a, I've had a, I have, I've had a great time. Yeah. Uh, but I completely understood.

I, I, I would know, I, I would be disappointed if they didn't, you know, it, it would be stupid. So it's, it's just, it, that was like when, you know, when we did Grim, it was like, when is someone gonna die? Right. You know? But no one ever died because we got along so well that the creatives were like, oh, okay, we'll, like, pretend that they're gonna die here, but then we'll bring them back as some other, like, yeah.

You know, other worldly character and blah, blah, blah. We all stayed intact. But this, you know, people are, all, writers are always like, we got, we gotta kill 'em. We gotta kill 'em. Mm-hmm. How many season, how many seasons of Grim did you do? We were fortunate to do six. Wow. So, uh, that was a lot. Listen man, it was from the get go, it was a lot [00:30:00] from the get go.

It was like, it's gonna be done. It's gonna be over. Ah, it's gonna be over. You know, so it's, it's always, and now you look back, you look back and I go, man, that is like a relic. It's like that kind of work doesn't happen where you are on a series and you feel some sort of stability

Paul: mm-hmm.

Reggie Lee: Is like, I was happy to be part of something like that.

Yeah. You know, I'm sure as you guys were with, with Prison Break, how many seasons did that run? Four. Sarah and then

Sarah: five. But yeah, we weren't in, so they did four. Uh, and then they brought it back for a fifth season, like eight years later,

Paul: which was like a right. Short and shortened.

Sarah: That was 10 episodes.

Okay. But season three was, was neither Paul nor I were in. Right. Um, was a half season because of the rider strike. So that was, I think, 13 episodes. Right.

Reggie Lee: Okay. But you guys were normally what, 22? Three? Three? I was dead. I was dead episodes, right? Yeah.

Sarah: The season, um, [00:31:00] the fourth season was 24, actually. Oh, wow.

Wow. Yeah, because I remember they shot the last two, the, the final break. Um, oh, they aired in the US as episodes 23 and 24. And around the world, they aired as a, as a,

Reggie Lee: as a two hour thing.

Sarah: Um,

Reggie Lee: do you guys remember like, uh, uh, midseason where you'd be like, oh God, so tired. Yeah. It's, you know, in the middle of like the 13th or whatever.

Oh yeah, the 12th episode. And now I'd be like, please, more, more, please. More, more. I

Sarah: mean, I keep seeing things where they're like, yeah, there's a, they're doing a season of this. It's eight episodes. And I'm like, that's a season now. Oh, you know. Oh, I'm, I'm

Paul: about to do that. Yeah. I'm about to do a show that's eight episode season and it's four months.

I'm like, wait a minute. What? Because it used to be like eight episodes. You shoot 22 in 10 months, right?

Sarah: Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Or

Paul: nine months. Or nine months [00:32:00] and now it's eight and four and a half months. I was talking to a guy. Yeah, it's somebody I know that's on Severance and they were like, it's eight episodes.

It's like nine months or something. It's like shooting nine months movies. Well, it's Ben. It's Ben Stiller, right? Ben Stiller. Yeah. And Ben likes to shoot pretty long shoots.

Reggie Lee: Yeah. For a long time.

Sarah: It almost makes you wish you could go back to the studio days where you're paid by the week instead of by Oh, a hundred percent.

That's,

Paul: that was one big, was one of the big writer things you know about, about these shows, which was like they're, they're being paid by episodes, but they're stretching out these episodes for weeks and weeks. Weeks and weeks. It was the Sopranos thing. Yeah. That was a big Sopranos. Uh, because you know, they started off and it was like seven days, no budget, and by the time they got into like season three, they were shooting like 25.

Day episodes, 26 day episodes, and the actors said the same and the actors were like, wait a minute. Yeah, yeah.

Sarah: Episode fee. Yeah.

Paul: Reggie, who in terms of Paul of fandom, do you get [00:33:00] the, the grim fandom must be a very specific kind of fandom. Sure. And Sarah and I both know that the prison rake fandom is a very devoted in specific fandom.

Do do, do you get, would you say like, out, out, out, when you're out in those streets, do you get more energy from grammar prison break and, and what is the, I I wanna know what the Venn diagram is of those fandoms. The overlap? Yeah. I wanna know what the

Reggie Lee: overlap is. Like if you drew a circle. Hmm. Yeah. You know what, there's, there's, there's, there's a little overlap.

I'd say there's a little overlap there. Maybe 20%. Okay. I'd say 20%, but I'll tell you what I mean. I. I, I Prison Break really made an impact. because as long as Grim ran, I, it, it still, it, you know, we still get a lot of of response from that and, and, and, um, sure. It, people notice you from that show. Uh, but sometimes they can't.

It's like, I [00:34:00] know you from a show that I was watching for a long time.

Sarah: Yeah.

Reggie Lee: And they can't seem to place it. It's odd. But with Prison Break it's like immediate Uhhuh. Bill Kim. Bill Kim. Bill Kim. And it's, it's, it's pretty, um, uh, the magnitude of, of that kind of, uh, of. I don't wanna say notoriety, that might be the wrong term, but it's like they really, they, they're spot on with that.

And many times, one, I once my buddy was like, Hey, you gotta join Cameo and do these things. And I was like, okay, I'll try it. And then I, I was like, I can't, I can't do it. I can't do this. Yeah. I've never, but so many requests for, could you say happy birthday in the name of, in, in the vein of Bill Kim.

Paul: And

Reggie Lee: could you So many, many, like, do you have a

Paul: flip phone?

Flip phone standing by?

Reggie Lee: No flip phone unfortunately, but you know, it, it was, [00:35:00] it was, it was very interesting, you know, um, I don't know when this was, but I'm big tennis fan, so I, we, we once went to the, the, the French open and like it's so open. The French, you know, the players are just walking around. And Olivier Rokus, who was a, a, a popular, um.

Uh, Belgian tennis player was like, oh my God, bill Camp. And he, it was, it was crazy. In Europe. It was huge.

Sarah: Europe

Reggie Lee: is not where you would get noticed in Europe was crazy.

Sarah: Wait, what

Reggie Lee: about the Philippines?

Sarah: Because the show was big in the Philippines. Oh, wow. Yes. Do you still have family

Reggie Lee: back there? I do.

They're very, they're they, I, a lot of, you know, I just, I've been doing a lot with the Filipino community recently because they've been trying as, as everyone does. They're trying to like come here. We're trying to like, get production over there Uhhuh. Right. So, uh, we've been doing a lot of that, but they [00:36:00] really, prison break is huge.

Like the knowledge of Bill Kim and all that stuff. Yeah. And they, no one knows I'm Filipino because they, I've never played Filipino until Grim. And that was because they were like, well, what do you want to be? He said, well, I am Filipino, so how about that? So they could start with me. Um, but never, you know, Kim is a, is a Korean last name.

Yeah. So it's, it's, I'll take it. Uh, in those days it was like, whatever. Uh, now Uhhuh now the pendulum is swinging to like, you have to have part of this, you have to be part of this, to be part of this.

Sarah: Uh, so wait, you were telling me show big in Philippines. Yeah. Did you have family back there that was just like, we're so excited?

Reggie Lee: Oh, yeah. I mean, they were so proud, especially with that particular, so proud I was playing with this horrible, horrible human being. That, that it, yeah. Are you kidding me? They, they especially was horrible because I think that he's doing his job as a [00:37:00] patriot, but yeah.

Sarah: Stop rationalizing Paul. Right, exactly.

Stop using your kellerman's psychology to rationalize terrible things. All right. Fair enough.

Reggie Lee: Um, but it was, you know, they were, they were just, that was, I think the first time. Uh, I had been, because TV has a different impact than film, right. So it's like TV is so more, it's broader. The recognition is broader.

Paul: Mm. Uh,

Reggie Lee: so many more people have access to that then especially so that they, it would just see you get so many eyes. So it really, in the Philippines where that's all they have, I mean seriously, it's an island. Ah. So it's like their tv, their, their American TV is, that's all they watch. So it became a real booming thing.

And this was the first time I think I'd been seen on TV for that many consecutive episodes. Sure. Of a show.

Paul: Oh, cool. So.

Reggie Lee: Oh yeah, it was, I'll tell you what I mean, I started more in film because it was, [00:38:00] that was what was available to us at that particular time. There were no Asian series regulars. Are you kidding me?

Th that didn't exist. Oh. So not until later did that come about where it was like, oh, right, Asian. Unless you have, you know, Sandra. Oh, right. Uh, you had very few,

Paul: sure.

Reggie Lee: Yeah. Um, of that. But, but this was really, and prison break was, so you guys, I mean, I don't know how you've gotta know how popular you guys were.

Incredible. So I don't even know still, you know, but it's like, yeah. Can you believe like, the resurgence, grim is like grim is they put a movie in development. Is that right? It's crazy how these shows are coming back. It's fantastic. I think

Sarah: I love post company Kellerman. I love the pivot from You're my boss to like suck a bag of dicks.

Like it's so fun to watch

Reggie Lee: and so good. Were you so fun. It was so fun. Like,

Sarah: so fun. But like were you, because so [00:39:00] often they would shoot these scenes separately. Mm. Were you there kind of on the other end of the phone or like talking to Paul about it, just being like, oh my God, I'm doing this now. I feel like you

Paul: said, uh, like you said, Reggie, we spent a lot of time in the van together, so I feel like we were shooting on the same days, so I think we must have been off camera.

Mm-hmm. Each other sometimes and some of those scenes they line up pretty well, so. I think we must have done a little bit of that.

Reggie Lee: Oh, right. Yeah. Okay. Did you guys ever have like the, were, were you guys ever, like, you know when there's a phone call and you're, you're, you're not called that day, were you ever like, Hey, yeah.

Would you mind taking this phone call? Yes. Around four to 6:00 PM Yes. From really?

Sarah: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Reggie Lee: That's great. I would ask

Sarah: them to wire the phone so that we could actually call. Yeah. That's so great. Yeah.

Reggie Lee: That's so great. Makes such a difference, you know, instead of, it just helps. Oh, yeah. Huge. That's, that's, that's pretty fantastic.

But, um, that switch was nuts. I mean, did they, did they [00:40:00] tell you Paul about an arc for yourself? Uh,

Paul: they hinted, um, but not, it was really like, what's gonna happen in the next, what's gonna happen in the next, you know, it was like being a fan in slow motion, get waiting for those scripts to come out.

Reggie Lee: Um, yeah.

Were you ever, were you ever, uh, listen on Grim, we were always afraid that they were gonna kill us.

Paul: I

Reggie Lee: was every single, single person, except for David.

Paul: I was convinced they were gonna kill me. Um, and I, I've said it before, I'll say it again. They were incredibly generous about telling me in advance when they were gonna kill me, because mm-hmm.

They told me well in advance in season two and not allowed me to do pilot season basically. Mm. Wow, that's awesome. Is when they killed you

Sarah: the first time. 'cause that's

Paul: right, that's when they killed me the first time. Yeah. That allowed me to do, uh, private practice, which is the next show I did. 'cause you know, it was, I got cast in the middle of season two of [00:41:00] Prison break.

Um, you

Reggie Lee: see, you work all the time. So do you, Sarah, that was you work

Sarah: That's about 15 years

Reggie Lee: ago. Um,

Sarah: but that's about now. Do you remember which episode you were shooting? When you were auditioning for private practice? Oh, that's

Paul: such a good question

Sarah: because this is kind of mid, I mean, this was the mid-season premiere.

I mean,

Paul: I think I die in like episode

Sarah: 15.

Paul: I don't know. I'll have, I'll figure it out

Reggie Lee: of what, what season? What season would three? Season two. You say? Season two,

Paul: two. Two, yeah. Wait,

Sarah: is that right?

Paul: Yeah. Or 20. I have, man, actually no

Sarah: memory of this. Wait, is this Reggie, is this your fault? Do you kill it?

Reggie Lee: Yes. Oh yes, I'm sure.

Do I? Oh yeah, I do. You know what, it's this long, long ago. Might it have been, might it have been? Yeah. No, I think I did

Paul: pretty sure. Just kill everybody. Not responsible for kill everybody. Kill everybody. You actually say in this episode that we just watched

Reggie Lee: kill

Paul: everybody. I know. [00:42:00]

Reggie Lee: I actually, I, I was like, I don't have time to watch the episode, but I have to go wiki it and, and see what this episode was about.

Yeah. And I was like, oh shit. Yeah.

Sarah: Yeah. Kill

Reggie Lee: everybody. The directive was Kill everybody. Kill

Sarah: everybody. Everybody dies. Um, uh, I have one more question and we wait. Oh, sorry. Go ahead,

Reggie Lee: sir. I,

Sarah: I need to dial into this and I wanna dial into, we know for sure that Kim was the one who kills Paul,

Paul: although I don't die so Uhhuh

Sarah: well, but

Paul: Yeah.

Yeah.

Sarah: The one who, okay. Um, you asked your last question then imagine if we're

Paul: all wrong. I

Reggie Lee: know. Well, I mean, it's, the fans will let us know it has happened. The fans will let us know, because I wanna

Sarah: talk about killing you, reg.

Reggie Lee: Oh yeah. Come on. Bring it

Sarah: because. Here's what I remember. And memory is not perfect.

Here's what I remember. I remember it was the very end of the season, season two. And I remember 'cause I was wearing this loose blouse because I had a little bit of a baby in my belly. I was like, I didn't five pregnant. Not a lot of people knew. [00:43:00] Um, we were on a boat. Kevin Hooks was directing.

Paul: Yes.

Sarah: And it was, you pick up a gun and you shoot him.

And I was like, okay, Sarah's never held a gun before, so we're gonna put a little tremor in it. And I was like, please, for the love of God when you do this in post, don't have her be a crack shot. Have her shoot four times and one of them hits him, she gets lucky. And Kevin, I adore Kevin, but he. He was very good at handling actors.

'cause he'd been one. He was like, absolutely, you have my word. And it airs. And it's like, bang. And I'm like, god dammit, there's no way that she'd be able to. But it was so sweet and you were like sitting there and you're like, is this actor negotiating with the producing director about the number of shots that have to go off?

And I was like, I feel so strongly about like, it was such a young actor, I'm gonna, I wanna die on this hill moment. And you were just like, I'm just gonna sit here squibbed up and let her kind of,

Reggie Lee: [00:44:00] yeah, no, it was one of those things I was like, oh,

Sarah: that's, look at her,

Reggie Lee: go and negotiate.

Sarah: It didn't work. It didn't work.

I got yes man. And then he was just like, oh man, where did this post? But that was, that's what I remember about that day also, it being hot and uh, it was so hot. So hot that day. And were you actually out on a boat

Paul: or were you on a set?

Reggie Lee: No, we were on a road boat. No, they were, they were on a boat and I remember them dressing.

They were dressing the set with palm trees, like palm plants. Oh. 'cause you

Paul: guys are going down, because we were somewhere uhhuh

Sarah: because weren't, we're supposed to be in Panama

Reggie Lee: or close to it. Yes. Yes. That's it.

Sarah: I, I think we were supposed to be in Panama.

Reggie Lee: Yeah. Wow. Exactly. Yeah. That's, that's, that's it. But I don't even

Sarah: know the name of the episode.

Reggie Lee: I think it's,

Sarah: it's possible. Right, exactly.

Reggie Lee: I don't even know if I, I had ever been squibbed before. Ah, yes. I've certainly been shot before many times. But the Squibb thing was like, wow, this shit is real, real. It's like s gonna go off in my [00:45:00] chest. Yeah. You know, with blood packets and everything. Mm-hmm. But, uh, yeah, it, it was an odd day because I, you know, I was, I just remember that was the kind of day where you feel like, uh, this, like Paul, what you were describing at the beginning, where you're actually nervous to go in.

Well, I had, I, well, I guess I had, I'd only met one of the guys. Uh, and so it was odd talking to them. Sarah, you were an absolute fantastic human and it was easy to talk to you, but you know, I'd never really met anyone on the show because it

Sarah: was all three of us. Right. Mike Lincoln and I were all on the boat.

Yeah.

Reggie Lee: Yeah.

Sarah: And then we're like about to leave and I think you come out right and you've got them at gunpoint. And I like crawl up on the top of the Yes. Yeah. Quote from what I remember.

Reggie Lee: Yeah. Um, yeah, exactly. And then the bag of money goes down into the lake slash pond. That's right. Remember that? Yeah. Yep.

Sarah: How many times did we have to squibb you? Like [00:46:00] did you have to do it multiple times and reset or did we get it once? No, we did it, I think we did it once. No, maybe

Reggie Lee: twice. Maybe twice. Twice. It was, it was, yeah. That was fun.

Sarah: Because the

Reggie Lee: resqui

Paul: is always

Sarah: like, 'cause the second time you kind of know it's coming and it's hard.

I know it's hard to,

Paul: it's like you can tell when an actor's been. Slapped on camera. 'cause the second take, there's always a little, it's always the first one. You gotta get that first one.

Sarah: Totally. Oh God. Okay. Sorry, Paul, what was, you said you had one more question. I know he had a

Reggie Lee: question, but now he's probably forgotten.

Paul: I don't remember what it was. Uh oh.

Sarah: Shoot. I'm sorry. But I

Paul: feel like we should,

Reggie Lee: I have to go, I have to go back and say, you know. Yes. You, you were fantastic on private practice, by the way. Oh, thank you. That was, that was a fun show. I, wait, who was on it? I, you know, I'd worked with both Tay and Audra. Oh wow.

We we're taking Audra on this. Yes, yes. This show. Yeah. We all did Carousel on Broadway together. Maybe eons ago. I didn't know that Tay was in that production of Carousel. [00:47:00] Oh yeah. Can say Tay was, oh, that's somewhere down deep in the resume. Oh, I had, I took it off when I came here. I had no, but yeah, no, it was, it was, uh, Tay.

Yeah, Tay was in that company. Oh, wow. That was pre rent? Yeah.

Paul: Oh, it was pre, so pre rent. Oh God. 94. That's how old show was. Oh, they were So was what, 90. They were fun people to be on set with, man, because there was always, you could always get a good, you could always, I mean, t's one of the funniest people that's ever been born and really, he's nutty.

Oh, he's crazy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's, he's like a neurotic. Oh, that's awesome. Person caught in that beautiful. Form. And so like the energy of those two things to mind is amazing. Totally. And then Audra, like, you could ask aud we would have, we had this one bit that was amazing, which was Audra, will you sing Kung fu fighting for us?

And then she would launch into kung fu fighting in her, you know, world class. Isn't that

Reggie Lee: beautiful voice world [00:48:00] class.

Paul: She's an American Treasure. Voice. Full red rendition. Oh God. Fantastic. Um, by the way, I just saw her in Gypsy and she's unbelievable. Oh, I gotta see it. I'm trying to get there to see it. Oh, I would love to see that.

Needs She needs that. Tony the seventh. She, her, Tony, her seventh. Um, I feel like we should take a quick break and do, uh, fan questions. Sarah, what do you think?

Sarah: We have fan questions. Okay.

Paul: Okay. Yeah. So we're, we're take a quick break. We'll be right back.

Okay. We're back. We're back.

Sarah: Um, we're back. You're like on back. We're the fans, by the way, when I put something on Instagram saying if you have questions for Reggie, there was so much like, Ooh, I hated him so much. He's so good. Yeah. Like those two things connected. It was, there's so much love for how evil they thought you were, which I think is a big, and there were even a few people that were like, this is a testament to how, uh, [00:49:00] to how fantastic he was.

That like, I can't stand this. Yeah, that's, and I was like, that's, that's, that's, yeah. Big, big, big compliments for sure. Punk fans. So they love to hate you. I have to say that,

Reggie Lee: I have to say that, um, when the show was going, or maybe right after I went into this Starbucks that's on Ventura and Violent, and I went in and literally I was in, lived a long line.

Someone came up to me and she was like, I, I want to kill you.

And it was, it was a little scary. Yeah. Yeah. Was a little scary because it was, it was very, but I have to say, I've gotten a little bit of both on, um, and you know, then I was like, stop reading this shit. Stop, stop reading it. You know? And any comments that were like, oh my God, it was so great in this. And some people were like, you are the worst actor in the whole world.

That's not nice. I don't ever wanna see your face again. There were some, there were some of that. That's terrible. Those people

Sarah: need a little bit of healing.

Reggie Lee: No, those people have to feel, they do. They do. But you know, it's [00:50:00] also the same ones that were like, why does he have, why is one ear bigger than the other?

Oh God. On this person. I can't believe it's so gross. You gotta be really careful. Oh man. You

Sarah: just, you just,

Reggie Lee: the internet turned on this show.

Sarah: I think actually Paul and I talk about this, I think a lot of us did because it was kind of the beginning. It was the beginning of internet. Yeah. Chirping, trolling, weighing in.

Um, yeah. Yeah. And I think very dangerous. We all had to evolve skill sets to filter out that you didn't have to have before because it used to be that, you know, there'd be a couple of reviews. You could not get TV guide and you'd be fine. Um, okay. I know. So I'm gonna, we're gonna dive into it. Just, there's just a couple of these.

Please go for it. Um, oh, I liked this. This is from at prison with two ends break. There wasn't much information given on Bill Kim's past. Did you create a backstory for yourself?

Paul: Oh yeah. Great question,

Sarah: man. Is there like a 45 page novella of Yeah,

Reggie Lee: I, history of the way, [00:51:00] the way I, uh, uh. Yeah, I'm pretty manic about those things.

I, I, I can't remember what it was, but certainly there was a backstory about, uh, uh, married, not married, and I, I, I, I was not, uh, but try getting, getting into the company. So there was a backstory about that. My relationship with the vice president, all that stuff there, there was a backstory. I couldn't, I couldn't just go in cold because I had to give myself something.

But

Paul: I remember How many years ago was this? Uh, 20. 19. 19.

Reggie Lee: Do you remember what it was? Well, no. Are you kidding? It's in some composition book in my, in my back. Right.

Sarah: Did you share it with the writers or did you

Reggie Lee: just keep it for you? No, no. I kept it for me. Listen, I mean, at this particular point, you know, really they don't give you much.

It's not, again, it was like a five episode arc. Here's what we need you to do. Yeah. Right. You know? Right. And, uh, but it [00:52:00] certainly, I think as I went along, I built a little more backstory 'cause I had to uhhuh Uhhuh mm-hmm. You know, for myself to get a little juicier. So, um, but even to, even to the point of how I got to the way I was and how I played him.

Mm. Right. Why, why it was always with a smile. Why it was always all that stuff, but it was, it, I, I think I was power hungry to move up. That was my motivation. Mm. Mm-hmm. I wanted to keep moving up mm-hmm. In the company. Mm-hmm. So, you know, at all costs Do do what? And, and there's a very, um, now it's all coming back because now there's a very Asian thing about like perfection and achievement, uhhuh and, you know, uh, that I had a tiger mom and, and, and all that stuff where it was like, achieve, achieve, achieve, you gotta get to the top.

Sarah: Mm-hmm.

Reggie Lee: You know, so it was all built on that. Mm-hmm.

Sarah: That's really cool.

Reggie Lee: Okay. Uh, I

Paul: heard that you were a fan of the show before you joined it. What were you most surprised? What were you most surprised to learn about [00:53:00] the production when you got there? When you took a peek behind the curtain? Were you like, oh, these people are idiots, or, uh, what, what was the, what do you, what?

Like what do you remember? Any

Reggie Lee: kind of Oh, man. Uh, I do, I, you know, I do. I mean, I think that I, I think that, um, you know, I, as much as they were, and this is a please, this is not a negative observation, this is just, I think, the way I felt and how it was and what I, what was told to me. You know, you know those makeup artists, they can talk.

Yep. So, uh, they were like, you know, it's, it's as close as these people were in the prison. It didn't feel like they were as close out outside, like outside in real life. Like everyone had their own, because everything was fractured into different stories. That's right. By the time they got out, everyone was like, separate from everyone else.

Yeah. You, it wasn't this, this ensemble [00:54:00] feeling that I felt that happened in the first season, which I was such a fan of, really wasn't prevalent in real life. It was like we're all, we're all doing our separate things now. Yeah. 'cause I came in in Dallas. Right, right. Mm-hmm. So that was the thing where it was like, we've, we've all got our own lives.

We going, it was something I learned on Broadway too. Exactly. When I was doing a show in New York, it was like, it was, I had been on tour before that, but, and on tour, you know, you stick together, you do your stuff together in that city, and then you come to New York and everyone's like, after the show, bye.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. See you later. We're not getting together for dinner. We're not doing anything. You know, we're just going our separate ways. Yeah. And that's kind of how I, I, I was like, oh, interesting. Mm-hmm. But I did feel that on the show 'cause everyone was very separate, you know? Mm-hmm. As you see, there's so many storylines by this time.

Yeah. Everyone's separated. So that was one of the things that I learned, uh, coming in. I was like, oh, okay. They're not really that prison vibe. 'cause that was what it was all, it was so cool to see that first season. Mm. That was what it was all about. Are they gonna get out Eight guys in a and how are they gonna help [00:55:00] each other?

Eight guys in a row. Um, and then also to learn that, um, Wade. Yep. Wade, Wade, Wade Williams. Uh, that, that he was, he was a musical theater dude. Yeah, yeah. Big time. Yeah. Voice. That was weird. I was like, wow. Yeah, he can really, you never would've guessed that beautiful

Paul: tenor voice.

Reggie Lee: Yeah.

Paul: Unbelievable.

Reggie Lee: Uh, there was, so those were the things.

Paul: One other question from, uh, at Paul Adelstein asked on the, on Instagram, why is Paul Adelstein, why is Kellerman so much cooler? I don't know. That was, I, I may have submitted that question myself, but

Sarah: you don't have to, you don't have to answer. I

Paul: was like, I can answer that.

Sarah: Um, please do, please do. Tell us.

Re

Reggie Lee: any other? He's a much better actor. Oh. Oh, stop it, please.

Paul: I, no, there's a thing was great. I was a

Reggie Lee: fan of Kellerman.

Paul: There's a thing that you said in this episode where you, me and Sarah both screamed where, uh, they're looking, where the brothers and Kellerman escaped, [00:56:00] and a police officer hears a phone ringing and he opens the door to the thing and, and Mahomes there, and he is been shot and his phone's ringing and mm-hmm.

Uh, the officer answers it and you're like, he's like, hello? And you're like, I wanna talk to Bill Maho, or to Mahome rather, Alexander Maho. And, and you're like, oh, I'm sorry to tell you your man's down. Or, or he goes, who's this? And he's like, officer Tuggle. And it's like this pushin on your face and you're like, officer Tuggle.

Like, it's, it's the most like. It's so brutal. Watch that now. It's so, it's so like, I'm, fuck it's, and also like, I'm gonna have you killed, it's like both things at the same time.

Sarah: And also I kind of feel like the writers just wanted to see what happened. If they made you say the word tuggle. Yeah. Officer, like, officer Tug say it's like a cartoons name

Reggie Lee: of all the names Tugg.

It was Tuggle. Yeah. I think there, I've gotta, I've gotta, I've gotta find that. They definitely had a [00:57:00] good

Paul: time with that stuff.

Reggie Lee: Oh my God. Yeah.

Sarah: God. Reg, it's been such a joy. So good to see you. Having you. Thank you for coming.

Reggie Lee: I, this has been, I've, I, when they, when I heard about this from my agent, I was like, you do, I wanna Yeah.

Just to, just to see those guys and say hi. No, that's what I wanna do it for,

Paul: for real.

Reggie Lee: So, um, yeah. This has been, this has been amazing guys. Thank you for having me on. Thanks for asking me to come on. I appreciate it. Oh man. So good to see you.

Sarah: Thank you. And. Uh, also thank you from my kids who are huge Brooklyn, nine, nine fans.

Every now and again we'll be watching as a family and I'll be like, oh my God,

Reggie Lee: isn't that crazy? You're on a couple episodes or something and it's, oh, was that Paul? Were you on that show too? I was. I

Paul: did a couple episodes. I was terrible. Paul's on everything. I was terrible on that show. I still feel embarrassed about how I was on the show.

You weren't

Sarah: terrible on the show.

Paul: We're not gonna, you know what I just saw you in that is, it's one of my favorite scenes of like the last 20 years is that scene in crazy stupid Love

Reggie Lee: again, one of those things where I'm a walk on,

Paul: I know, but it's an

Reggie Lee: great cast, right? I mean, [00:58:00] that

Paul: scene is so incredible and then your button on the scene, you're like, take it easy everybody, or whatever that thing is at the end of it is so frigging funny.

So well done. Yeah. Your

Sarah: feature career is wild, by the way. Yeah. Crazy. Um, I was, oh man. Looking up your credits. And I was like, he was in what? Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. Um, all right. We're shut. I should've never been in a good movie. And you've been in like all of them. All of them.

Reggie Lee: It's, oh, come on. Hats off now, miss Directress.

It's

Sarah: actually true. It's what? Hey, I'll direct some good movies.

Reggie Lee: Sure. Oh yes. You, you will. Yes you will.

Sarah: We

Reggie Lee: love you so much. We love you. I love you guys. Thank you. We'll talk to you soon. Best of luck with this podcast. It's gonna be a hit. Come on everybody. There you go. I like it. Thank you. It's really great.

Sarah: Um, and I hope our paths crossed. I hope we all get to be on a set again together sometime. Be fun. Maybe this time nobody dies. I'm just throwing it out there. It's a possibility. Well,

Reggie Lee: now I have your phone number, so I'm gonna stop. Oh. Yeah's, both of you like crazy. Outstanding. Please, please, soon as I get off this Good.

Please do computer. Thank you, Reggie. All right, [00:59:00]

Paul: love it.

Okay. And now we're gonna do credits.

Sarah: Goodbye to Reggie.

Paul: Bye Reggie. Thank you. Um,

Sarah: thank you to all of our Phishes folks and friends for listening. As always, we invite you to check out our watch Party episodes where you can watch the shows with our real time commentary. Uh, you can join those watch par, you can join those watch parties on the Patreon link wherever you are, uh, listening right now.

Paul: Our merch is also available in the ig in the Instagram bio links. And also for those of you who prefer a language other than English, uh, or just wanna see a video of us talking, we're on YouTube at Prison Break Podcast. Thank you for being with us today. We appreciate it. We love you. We cherish you.

Sarah: You guys are great.

Um, hey Paul, do you know what?

Paul: Mm.

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Sarah: sorry. Sorry. Go ahead. No

Paul: go. You did it.

Sarah: I interrupted, I apologize. Not at all. Your prison warden is [01:00:00] producer brand Haber.

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