I Based My Personality On A Discredited Wolf Study ===

Regan: [00:00:00] Hello everyone and welcome back to the Mr. Pick me on the Man Hater podcast. Are you eating chips right now? What are you doing?

Chesko: I didn't have breakfast. I mean, it's lunchtime right now, but I also didn't have breakfast.

Regan: You saved eating chips to the start of this podcast. We

Chesko: took a break right now during, after our pre-show,

Regan: so everyone can listen to you crunching and I go watch you eat.

Speaker 3: We are new now, doing a, um, what do you, what are those video called? Asmr. Asmr.

Regan: It's silencing it.

Chesko: Oh, okay. Nevermind. So nobody's listening to anything. See,

Regan: when you're talking we can hear the crunchy. Mm-hmm. Oh my God. Anyways, I am the man hater, obviously, and uh, this is my co-host

Chesko: and her husband.

Regan: According to YouTube.

Speaker 3: According to YouTube,

Regan: but one, [00:01:00] one person on YouTube.

Speaker 3: Yeah. For clarity, we are, we are not married yet.

Regan: We're not even in the same stage. Or even, I just love the idea of like us recording in separate rooms, but like,

Speaker 3: which I guess would make sense if that was the case. Like you wouldn't be, because you wouldn't have you, maybe you don't.

No, I guess. 'cause no, that doesn't make sense at all. 'cause most podcasts are like the same.

Regan: That was a good try.

Speaker 3: All right, I am, Mr. Pick. Me even. I've already been picked by someone other than Reagan.

Regan: Not me, not by me. Someone who

Speaker 3: is actually attracted to men.

Regan: You hope?

Speaker 3: Hopefully. Hopefully, at least so far.

Knock on. So far so

Regan: good.

Speaker 3: Knock on computer,

Regan: knock on Dorito dust.

Speaker 3: Knock on Dorito Dust.

Regan: Yeah.

Speaker 3: Brought to you by Dorito Dust.

Regan: I wish. Yeah, that would be, I don't know, maybe Doritos has done something bad.

Speaker 3: They probably have.

Regan: So what are we doing today?

Speaker 3: Uh, I don't know. Hanging out?

Regan: No, [00:02:00] I think Uhhuh, we should listen to some Alpha male advice from I.

A very tiny man

Speaker 3: on the, at least for sure on the inside. No, no, no. And on the outside,

Regan: this guy's five, seven max, like the whole comment section is like you, where is the alpha in the room with this?

Speaker 3: And there's nothing wrong. With being five seven.

Regan: I love a short king. I dated many short kings. Yes.

Speaker 3: What? But what it's, it's when you say this,

Regan: yeah.

From,

Speaker 3: from that body.

Regan: From that body That well, when you are telling everyone to subscribe to a certain belief system in which you are clearly not a member. Of the, the higher authority there.

Speaker 3: Let's, let's let them hear what we're saying before we, let's let them be the judge theme song

Speaker 4: You want bad advice, man.

I'll give it out. I got some [00:03:00] good advice for you. You don't, I, you don't. I Some good advice for you don't.

Speaker 5: No, you don't.

Regan: So here's some very helpful advice from a tiny little alpha and. You know, it's as much for you as it is for me because he really likes to talk about what women want here. Mm-hmm. So let's give it a go.

Let's see

Speaker 3: what he has to say.

Regan: I'm sure it'll be great.

Speaker 6: I'm sure it's wonderful. Girls don't mind sharing an alpha mail. And if you ask a girl, Hey, would you rather share an alpha or stay completely loyal to beta? They're always gonna say, I'd rather share an alpha. Right? So it is what is, yeah, you ask any girl that has been with a guy that she really likes, she's gonna be okay with sharing him with other girls.

You don't get what you want in life. You get what you negotiate. And so I've been able to just directly tell girls like, Hey, you know. Even from the get go when I first meet girls and people are like, that's unfair. You're manipulating the girl. You're lying to the girl. By having other girls decide, no dude on the first date, I'm telling the girl I have other girls, I'm not gonna settle down.

So if you wanna stay with me, great. We're gonna [00:04:00] have some fun and I'm gonna take care of you. Otherwise cool. You can walk away. But they never walk away. Wow. Because. Being direct in that way is so respectful. Like imagine a guy telling you directly, Hey, this is who I am, this is what I believe in. If you with it, dope If you don't Oh.

'cause they don't gotta worry about being cheated on behind their back. Exactly, bro. So the thing is, girls accept what they respect.

Regan: Yeah. He looks like a guy I probably would have dated. And that is not Alpha. Do you have a goddamn Lunchable? Are you

Chesko: I stole his lunch.

Regan: Jessica is fully eating a child's lunch during this podcast, so just so everybody, if you hear crunching, we bought,

Speaker 3: we bought Lunchables for my kids and they didn't like 'em. My wife was like, what do we do with them? I was like, that will now be my lunch. This is great. Great are

Regan: amazing.

Speaker 3: You come with cookies. Anyway, so let's talk about this little guy.

Regan: First of all, I think it's fascinating that he says it's respectful [00:05:00] when his exact line is like, if you f with that, that's great. If you don't f off, like.

Um, I'm pretty sure that's not how you should talk to, to a woman. And also, like there's a misconception. Some people think that what these men want is polyamorous relationships. No. They want to sleep with multiple people. Mm-hmm. If she was like, cool, I'm gonna hook up with other dudes. Mm-hmm. He'd be like,

Speaker 3: no, how dare you?

Because they, they also, and you've seen, there's plenty of videos where they talk about this like, well, 'cause men are capable of cheating without it meaning anything. But women are incapable of it. Right. If they cheat, it's because they don't respect you. But, but men can still respect their, their woman and just sleep around

Regan: or they can love their wife and still cheat on her.

Speaker 3: There was a, there was a video with, um, and the, the guy interviewing him is also a, a. Grade a douche bag. Yeah. Uh, but, uh, Myron, Myron Gaines from, uh, yeah. Yeah. So, but him, I forgot the guy's [00:06:00] name. Reading Brad, Brad Lee or something like, something like that. But I've critiqued both, like they're both terrible people.

The worst. Yeah. But he was interviewing him and he asked him, he said, would you care if your daughter's dated someone like you? And you could tell my room was like, the, his head was like, yeah, I'd be okay with that. Like, but, but it's, but the other guy was actually. Kind of pressing him on that. Like you would, you would, because I don't, I wouldn't, I think if you were, you were with somebody you love and respect, you don't just sleep around on them and cheat on them.

Right? He was like, well, if you're, if she, if you were the giving my daughter a marriage and providing. Then, uh, I guess, and he's saying that because he has no daughter. Right? Right, right. And he has no intention of ever probably having, uh, any children, um, that will at least be in contact with him

Regan: I, in the future.

Yeah. Yeah. That'll be a no contact for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this dude cl I would doubt that this guy has a girlfriend, let alone has multiple girlfriends. Mm-hmm. And this idea that like, women will respect the [00:07:00] honesty. Uh, I do think it's better to be honest than dishonest. Yes. Like if that,

Speaker 3: there's no issue with that.

Regan: If you, I think it's like, just like if you're in DePaul Yery and you're like, Hey, that's, he got around

Speaker 3: in seventh grade last year, what he was saying, this guy's like an eighth grader. He looked so young. He

Regan: just looked young. He, he

Speaker 3: got around to junior high school.

Regan: Yeah. He really dated a lot of girls. He, uh, held a lot of hands.

Okay. He knows what's up.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Mm-hmm. I do think it's important to be honest, and I, I think being upfront is great. Like if you ha if you have rigid things, I think you should say that, but then. That's, it's like, that doesn't mean you get to treat people like crap. Mm-hmm. Like, Hey, I just wanna let you know I'm gonna sleep with other people.

I, I, I also don't think they ever phrase it exactly like that. Mm-hmm. I don't think they're as blunt as they say they are. No, I think they say like, we're not. Exclusive. Exactly. Mm-hmm. You know, I'm not ready to settle down, uh, [00:08:00] because most women are not gonna agree to that. And then the other thing is like, this has nothing to do with alpha or beta.

And also you're not an alpha. I can guarantee you that.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Regan: But it's like, I don't think women are like, oh, well, a beta, I will not allow to have multiple girlfriends, but an alphas. Yeah. If

Speaker 3: only if they're alpha status, whatever, whatever. Ubiquitous random thing that even means, yeah. Mm-hmm. The arbitrary definition of that, a level five

Regan: alpha.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I don't think any woman uses those terms. I don't know any woman that uses them, unless she's referring to what a man is saying.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Like, I don't know, women talking about alphas or betas. You don't, you don't like sit around with the girls and they're like, gosh, I really, I've been stuck with a lot of sigmas lately.

Mm-hmm. I really want an alpha, god forbid, a beta. Am I right ladies? Hmm.

Speaker 3: And the thing is, if the, the only person partner you're gonna find that is into that is someone that has been so brainwashed by, yes. [00:09:00] By misogynistic culture and by, by all these things that go into it. Either from seeing their own father doing it or from just whatever reason.

Getting into a, a dating circle of men that are continuously, and there's a lot of 'em. So it's, that's a, that's a more realistic scenario that people wanna believe that are continuously believing that they're just like, well. I guess I'll, I guess this is what I have to deal with. If I'm gonna, if I want to be in a heterosexual relationship, I guess I'm gonna have to deal with them cheating on me or something.

It is, it's gotta be something really tragic to, to ever get in that. Yeah. There's no positive moment of someone like, yes, no, nobody like enters dating thinking, I want a man who will cheat on me with several other women. Yeah. Like there's no healthy reasoning for a, aside from a healthy. Polyamorous relationship.

Sure, sure. That that which is once again, very different than what these guys, what these guys are describing. They're describing having a harem of women that they can, they can pick and choose from at their will.

Regan: I'm like, also, you're saying you're gonna take care of her dude, you're not taking care of yourself.

I [00:10:00] don't even know if you have a car. I don't. I feel like you might be in mommy's basement. I'm not a hundred percent on that, but like one of the comments I saw was like, this is a rich man's game and you don't have access to it. And I think that's true. It's like. If someone wants to get in this arrangement because you're providing a lifestyle for them, then mm-hmm.

That's, and you both agree on it, whatever. There's other things for me to worry about, but I doubt he is providing the lifestyle. That one would be like, okay, I'll share you with six other girls who also don't exist.

Chesko: Right.

Regan: He's not an alpha, I doubt he has a lot of girlfriends and I don't think he's in the space that he can provide for them like that.

If you're

Speaker 3: confident about it online though, you can sell courses. He has to be. I made a, uh, I made a post about this the other day, but like, there's more, at least a dozen times now, I've been contacted by somebody that either is related to or knows one of the guys,

Regan: oh my God, that I'm,

Speaker 3: I critique on there.

Mm-hmm. And like, sadly, a lot of these guys [00:11:00] are, they are wealthy from selling these courses. They made a lot of money. Sure, sure. Off of their desperate men. So they do, a lot of 'em do have a. Absurd amount of money by taking advantage of lonely men that are looking to them for guidance. 'cause the only, the only guy that's gonna be looking to these guys for guidance is absolutely desperate.

Um, yes. And they have no problem taking, taking their money, uh, and, and making their situation even worse in that. So, but they, a lot of these guys, so first off, they have money. Second though, they, uh, they don't believe what they say. Uh, and that's, I've heard, I've heard from multiple of these people that have talked to me.

They're like, oh yeah, he doesn't do any of these things in real life. Uh, that's not how he met. He's very caring and like, like some, like this all hearsay. Oh, he is a total baker. Yeah, it's all hearsay and I don't, like, oftentimes they will, they'll contact me asking to keep what I'm saying, private. So I'm trying to be very, I don't want to specifically say who's lying about certain things based on what I've been told.

Um, but a lot of 'em are like, they'll talk this big game about like how all, all these women, et cetera, but really they're just in a [00:12:00] single. Long-term relationship with somebody that they absolutely are head over heels for. And they love them do and do nice things for and buy gifts for. Yeah. And to, and all the tips that they give out guys to tell them to do online, to be an alpha, they do not follow because it doesn't work, because that's not how you have a healthy relationship.

Right. That's not how anybody will ever be in a healthy relationship is by following the bullshit These guys are pedaling, but they find other men that are even, that have not experienced love, that have not experienced a relationship, that have only experienced heartbreak or rejection. Who, who buy into this dream of, of they can be happy with it, with, with multiple women when they can't even get one.

As if that's like a problem, like I need to find someone that's gonna let me date 20 women. I, I can't find a. Single girlfriend right now, but I need to make sure that the one I find is okay with me having cheating on her constantly. [00:13:00]

Regan: What purpose does that serve for you, buddy? Like what does it do for you?

Why do you need it? Why do you I, but also, I think to your point, he doesn't have that he is not dating a bunch of girls, like mm-hmm. Like the only ones that they're successful with are men.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Regan: They're not getting a lot of women, but they're getting a lot of men to pay them.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. The points they make only sound impressive to other dudes.

Right. They, they feeling Yes. They're like, oh yeah, that sounds so cool. You know, like anything, like, that's

Regan: amazing.

Speaker 3: That's, wow. You get to do that with all these girls. Yeah. All these, they all love me.

Regan: Wink,

Speaker 3: wink, wink. Yeah.

Regan: Cardboard cutouts behind him. Why don't we

Speaker 3: ever meet them? Oh. Because I don't want your, you guys to be jealous.

Insert hired model that they've got in the background, the video, there's

Regan: so many women who are like, we are paid to be on those yachts, like guaranteed. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: And, and that's the whole point too. There are guys that have a ton of money that do [00:14:00] get women that go on those places, but, and they'll act like I have all these women that want me.

No, they just, they're enjoying the experience of feeding your ego. Yeah. If it means they get, you know, something out of it. Something out of it. Yeah. And, and they. That is such a sad experience that guys will convince other men is, is, is impressive. Right. That they will tell it's the

Regan: elevated strip club.

It's literally that like where it's like when people are the strippers love me.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Like

Regan: nobody. Mm-hmm. It's, it's just the fancy version. It's like instead of strippers and the strip club, it's paid. Models on a yacht,

Speaker 3: but it's also probably where they met a lot of the women that go onto the, the, and this is not me degrading, I wanna be very clear.

Sure. A any woman that does, does something like that, or any man that does, does, uh, that dances or does any sort of sex worker, anybody of any kind. Right. But the point is, if you're, it's like, it's, it's like when my, I bringing him up again, talked about how he mostly dates from these sugar daddy, uh, websites.

Oh my

Regan: God. [00:15:00] Yeah.

Speaker 3: And then a surprise that all these women only want him for his money.

Regan: Literally the setup,

Speaker 3: you're literally going onto a site that is for women who want you for your money. Mm-hmm. And then like, uh, and then I just don't get it. I don't know why I haven't been able to find someone.

Regan: They just want my money.

Yeah. That's what you advertised my guy. Mm-hmm. Also, what else do you have to offer?

Speaker 3: Right. Uh, courses.

Regan: I'll give you a coupon for my five. Yeah, you can. Five day course

Chesko: about Yeah, yeah,

Regan: yeah. Women love that. Women wanna

Chesko: learn about that for sure. That'll

Regan: be great. So since you brought it up, I feel like we should watch the, uh, Myron.

Mm-hmm. Clip Bradley and Myron. Would you let your daughter marry you?

Speaker 3: And we're We're good before we watch this too? I think it's important to note, as I said, both of these men are terrible. And so the fact that one. Sounds reasonable in this go shows how terrible this take is. That is related to the [00:16:00] first clip too.

Mm-hmm. So let's go ahead and,

Speaker 7: do you have daughters? No. No, no, no. Kids. So if you had daughters, oh no, not. Would you want her marrying someone like you?

Speaker 8: So, that's a good question. 'cause I've been asked this a few times. So if he took care of my daughter. I would be okay with him having other women. I understand how men are, men typically are only only as faithful as their options, so as long as he loves and takes care of my daughter.

Um, and provides for her, I'm okay with it and gives her a marriage

Speaker 7: and there's gotta be some skin in the game here. I would want my daughter to have someone that A, makes her happy and takes care of her. Exactly. But I wouldn't be happy with if he had other women.

Speaker 3: We say the very, very beginning though, he goes, do you have daughter will, do you have daughters or will you, do you wanna have daughters?

Whatever he says, I hope not. Yeah. God, I hope not guys because it you, it's the, not even for his daughters, would he be like. Happy about it. He's like, Ugh, I hate women. My, my daughter would be gross

Regan: hate. I hate women so much. I don't even like when they are related to me, when they come from me, still [00:17:00] nasty cooties.

It's just like one step away from screaming cooties. For real? Mm-hmm. Honestly, like

Speaker 3: legitimately, he's so unserious, like it will haunt me for the rest of my life how men can see these things and be like. This man is spitting truth facts,

Regan: bro. I don't want a dotter either. Facts. Facts and like that. He would want his daughter to be treated that way.

Mm-hmm. Like these men have such a horrible comeuppance when they have daughters and realize that their daughters are gonna be treated the way that they treated women. Mm-hmm. And it's like, that should not be what it takes. But that's, I feel like when they're like, oh my God, wait, I have one that's related to me.

Like, I feel bad now. I don't want them to be treated poorly. And it's like he's so fixated on being cool and being that type of cool guy and like showing off what a great man he is. Mm-hmm. That he can't even concede, like, yeah, no, I wouldn't want my daughter to date a guy [00:18:00] like me. He's like, oh yeah, for sure.

Like as long as he's like, you know, gonna marry her. It's like. Dude, because

Speaker 3: admitting it that he, because the reality is it, they, the correct answer is no. I want her to date someone better than me. Right. Right. I want someone that actually treats her well. But if you admit the, the obvious answer that anybody should say, any reasonable person who loves their child should say, then it admits that you are actually a piece of shit.

Right. And that you're teaching other men to be pieces of shit.

Regan: Yeah. And that's the thing too. It's just like these men. The older they get, the more obvious it is that they're full of shit. Because like he's not married, he does not have a high quality woman. He is not making a family, which like supposedly they all wanna do because they're assholes and they go For women that.

Like, don't want that arrangement either. And if she, well,

Speaker 3: I'm choosing not to be married.

Regan: Right, exactly. But you're like, you can't even do the thing you say you are. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And like he's, you [00:19:00] know, he's aging out of this shtick he's doing. Yeah. And like it's funny 'cause the other, I mean, he's

Speaker 3: 70.

Regan: Yeah.

He's, he's in their mind

Speaker 3: it's not. Yeah.

Regan: Well, and then you look at like the other guy who is. Also shitty. Mm-hmm. But like, he still sees himself as a family man and a protector. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. So it's

Regan: like I draw the line, right. I don't care if you're horrible to women, I don't care if you lie to them and cheat on them and do whatever.

Mm-hmm. But I draw the line at fatherhood,

Speaker 3: I think it's, it's the, it's kind of the clash of what we talked about last week of like the, the very. Traditional kind of biblical

Regan: Yeah. Manly

Speaker 3: man versus this, this new age. Uh, Angie wannabe kind of garbage. They're both garbage. They both treat women like shit and like property, but it's a different, but one of them is packaged in a.

Way that is more socially acceptable to treat women like, like garbage. Mm-hmm. Versus everybody that sees Myron or Andrew Tate or any of the alpha dom. Mm-hmm. And you can just tell any reasonable person be like, that guy's a piece of [00:20:00] shit. Yeah. Right. There's no, there's no reasonable person would look at what he's saying, uh, and be like, that person is, no, that's, that's a balanced perspective on how someone should treat, uh.

You know, different people that are, they're in a relationship with.

Regan: It's interesting that you said that because my brain, you know, fires off to a million different things. But, uh, I remember seeing an interview with Ben Shapiro and Pearl, which was horrifying. It was odd. Oh man.

Speaker 3: I didn't even, I didn't know that existed.

Yes. But

Regan: what was interesting is Pearl is in my mind, a pick me, you know, gal, she's pick me for sure. Mm-hmm. Uh, but the men, she's used to. Catering to mm-hmm. Are the new age red pillars.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

Regan: And so I remember, I, I saw the interview and it was something where she was saying like, women shouldn't be able to do this.

And, uh, something, I can't remember if it was, it was something about limiting your wife's abilities to make choices for herself.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

Regan: [00:21:00] And, um, said something that Ben thought was disrespectful. Mm-hmm. And he like. Told her what was what, and was like, no, I respect my wife. Mm-hmm. And I would never do that to her.

That's, but it was because she was catering to new school mm-hmm. To the new school patriarchy. Mm-hmm. Where, you know, you, you can degrade women. Mm-hmm. And that's totally fine. All women suck. Versus the old school, which is like, oh, I don't outright disrespect her, I respect her. I love her. Do I treat her as a.

Full human being, not necessarily I

Speaker 3: treasure her as I treasure any other object that I consider to be valuable.

Regan: I'm just the man who, you know, uh, makes all the decisions.

Speaker 3: And this, this is what happens though when you, you find these clashes. Yes. And you'll see, you'll see then, then a. A person that's not a personality, just a normal dude watching them will be like, oh, okay.

So Ben Shapiro is actually a reasonable dude. No, no. Brad Lee is [00:22:00] actually not too bad. See, he made this good point against the actual trashy dude. Like, like the, that is there, that exists. And, and they, they, the guys like, uh, fresh and fit and, uh, agitate and, and all these other ones that we keep on mentioning.

Um. Uh, what was a sneak, uh, are, are they, they exist in some ways to make these other really horrible, toxic men mm-hmm. Appear palatable in comparison.

Speaker 5: Yes.

Speaker 3: Right. Appear like they aren't trash. Because neither of these groups, though, I think are in the majority of men. There's not, the majority of men are not.

These Andrew ate wannabes. The majority of men are not. These Ben Shapiro Bradley, you know, like kind of dudes. Right. But neither of them are, are. An appealing, uh, option. Right. Right. You still see, so it becomes hard to find someone that is actually willing to, uh, value a relationship with somebody in a a, I guess not even in a modern way, but in a, in a way where the, the woman still [00:23:00] doesn't end up having to defend her Right.

To exist as a full person mm-hmm.

Speaker 5: In that

Speaker 3: relationship.

Speaker 5: Yeah.

Speaker 3: And so it's hard to find. It's like, oh, well, he doesn't look like this is a good person. He's a really nice guy.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: Who just happens to also think that women are dumb. Right. That they don't understand how, they don't have any logic, uh, behind

Regan: that.

Yeah. It's just like they're saying the quiet part out loud. Mm-hmm. And like. It's so interesting to see like the more palatable version of hating women.

Speaker 3: They're not as different. I, I'm, I'm kind of setting it up right there to make 'em sound like they're different. They're not different. No, they're actually

Regan: not very different.

Speaker 3: You, you kinda hit on the point though, that the quiet part, right? Yeah. Someone that's smart enough to like Ben Shapiro as much as I despise him, I don't think he's dumb, right? No. Uh, I think he's evil and that's why he's, that's why I think if you're smart, I think he's evil. 'cause if you're smart and you're still pushing this really hateful, horrible stuff, right?

There's no good person's doing that. Right? Right. A hundred [00:24:00] percent. And so, uh, so it's for profit, it's for, you know, they, they realize that's a career, but the, they know that, uh. If everyone was just saying all the quiet parts out loud, that makes their job harder. Yes. To push. The more palatable misogyny, the, the quieter misogyny, uh, that, that exists.

The more traditional misogyny, right. That exists out there. Because if everyone's hearing all the, the, uh, the stuff like that, that these other men are shouting up from the rooftops, then all of a sudden they realize, oh, actually I don't like either of these options. Right. But. And so they're, they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Don't say that part. Don't say that part. It's when someone says, Hey, they're

Regan: listening.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Like when someone says something really super racist, uh, online, that that's a result of a, of, uh, like a, a Republican policy or conservative policy, right. That exists out there. And that, and that, to be clear, there's racist people across the political spectrum, right?

Yes. When I'm talking about, specifically when it's ingrained in policy, uh, kind of aspect of it, and they'll say the quiet [00:25:00] part out loud, and then all of a sudden the smart. Evil people will be like,

Speaker 5: no, no, no, no, no,

Speaker 3: no, no. We don't wait. You're not supposed to actually do the Nazi salute Elon. Aon. So down the chainsaw.

Oh God. Yeah. Sorry that was off track. But I hate everyone right now.

Regan: But I also think like it's pushing people maybe back towards, because like, you'll look in, I think we've talked about this before, even in like more spiritual circles. Mm-hmm. And people are pushing back more into like the old school.

Mm-hmm. Um, the old school. Patriarchy, like the old school misogyny mm-hmm. Because they are so terrified mm-hmm. Of these, the, like, the outwardly hateful people. And so like, I think on some level they, they're thinking the same things and maybe they don't like that the other exists, but just like, you know, quote unquote nice guys benefit off of evil, like outwardly evil men.

I think now, like a lot of women are like, oh, maybe I do want like an old school guy. Like maybe I do want, uh, like what they'll [00:26:00] maybe see is chivalry, but usually is not.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

Regan: And it's like, no, no, no, no. Don't go back. Don't go back to that. We don't like that. That didn't work out either. What that is is, mm-hmm.

It's just like candy coated misogyny. You know. Well, and

Speaker 3: it's because it's, it's, it's a false, uh, uh, decision. A false, um, choice. Yes. Where they may say like, oh, well, if I want to have someone who, because somebody, maybe somebody does, you know, it's a valid want to be, wanna be a stay-at-home mom, or to. Stay home.

Raise your kids that way, uh, and not work, right? That's a valid thing. Work sucks for most jobs suck. I, I understand the validity and the take of not wanting to work, right. But the, the, it's set up as, the only way you can get that life then is to then be with someone who also treats you like trash. Who, who you have to serve in order to achieve that life.

Oh, so, so this guy, uh, there's a thread the other day that said, no man, working 40 plus hours wants to come home to spaghetti every night. And the implication [00:27:00] is obviously that alone is terrible. But the implication is, I, I, if I'm working 40 hours a week, then she should be doing everything I want. She should be serving me, making me good meals, et cetera.

And I said, you know, I work, and this is true. I work 60 hours a week on average. And that's not a flex. First off, that's, I, I don't like that. Whoa, whoa.

Regan: Just go,

Speaker 3: Hey, no. What, when I say what I, I'm, what, what I mean by that is no, but I, I hate that we, our capitalistic society. Forces. Yes. That's just what you have to do.

A hundred percent, uh, sometimes to get ahead, especially when you grow up, like without any sort of, uh, financial like background. Right. Anyways, so I, I work, but I, and I still cook half the meals. I still do, you know, half the chores run nuts. I still am active in my kids' life, not because I want my wife to be my servant, but because I work hard.

Because I love my family. Right. And that's

Regan: imagine

Speaker 3: shocking, right? Yeah. But the, that exists. All over with people. Right? There are plenty of, of men and women that believe in those principles, right? Yeah. But it's set up that the [00:28:00] only men you're gonna find that do that because they've somehow claimed this, this mantle of me man work.

And women stay home. Women stay home. Is is in this traditional, you know, usually religious kind of household or conservative household. The reality is I know plenty. I actually, I know personally more, uh, traditional households of, of where a guy works and, and the, their wife is staying with the kids that are on the left than I do.

Yeah. Right. In other ways. Uh, and I mean, that's the people I know obviously, that I, I surround myself with Sure. People that have likeminded and beliefs, but it's not like it's this completely outrageous thing, right? That you can still make a choice to live that, a lifestyle that, that might look on paper like a more traditional life and still have a partner who respects you.

Who does work and who cares about you and your family?

Regan: I just think it's hilarious how much these men love to degrade imaginary women that they could never have. It's like I, my wife in the future that I'm definitely gonna have, she better not be making spaghetti. You're like,

Speaker 3: [00:29:00] yeah.

Regan: Dude, you're not, you're not at risk for spaghetti dinners.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. First off, spaghetti's awesome.

Regan: I love spaghetti. You can

Speaker 3: make, spaghetti is great.

Regan: I make a, a great spaghetti. And it's not the point, it's just, they just, no,

Speaker 3: it's not the point. They're

Regan: degrading imaginary women 'cause they don't have one and they have this angst that they mm-hmm. You know, they, they're unhappy.

So they got integrated woman. Mm-hmm. But it's, it's also like. That whole idea is almost moot because we don't live in a society that that's possible. Mm-hmm. So it's like, I don't know any, I really don't know anybody my age who the mom is completely stay at home and doesn't do some type of additional work somewhere.

Mm-hmm. Or help out with something like it's almost unheard of. Mm-hmm. And so it's like what? Like they still want to keep that though. They still want the. Uh, uneven, uh, emotional labor and mental labor. Mm-hmm. And like the household chores, regardless of the fact that women are also working like mm-hmm.

You [00:30:00] can't have it both ways. You can't have like a housewife, you know, like a fifties housewife when you don't make the money to do that. And like, it's just insane to me. Mm-hmm. Like, they have this like, it's like this fantasy in their heads of how their life should be. Mm-hmm. And yet they don't facilitate their end of the bargain of said fantasy.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. I'm looking up a stat real quick, classic because I wanna make sure I get it right. Classic, classic Checo wanting a stats. Um, I'm trying to find it. Find it. He loves a

Regan: stat, you know, what they say about Checo. He loves a good statistic.

Speaker 3: I can't find it. Anyway, so somebody in the comments, I, I don't wanna spend 20 minutes of our, our recording looking for you.

Um, but there was a stat I saw that most. Uh, households that are single income households are in poverty, right? Yeah. Because like to your point, like the majority, the overwhelming majority of households in modern America have to have two incomes, have to have two people working and bringing home a salary of [00:31:00] some sort.

In order just to make it to survive. Yeah. And you, you have all of these guys out there that are, are, you know, making not enough money to support a lifestyle of having that, that are still seeking it out and shaming people for not doing it, or then entering in a relationship, finding an exception, a reason why it's okay in their house for their wife to work.

Right. Even though they've already said, but then still expecting her. Yeah. To do all of those other things along That's, I'm saying it's crazy along with it. Yeah, it's

Regan: crazy to me

Speaker 3: and like, well, but I, but I want you to be a stay at home. Wife. Yeah,

Regan: I would. But you just, that should matter. You just gotta help out a little bit, you know?

And it's like, yeah, it's

Speaker 3: just for now, for now, for now.

Regan: And also what they're describing often is like, I want you to serve me from the second I enter the door. Mm-hmm. I don't want to have any concerns, which is like, I don't want to have to cook, I don't wanna do the laundry, I don't wanna worry about what the meal's gonna be.

I don't wanna do the groceries, I don't wanna do. Mm-hmm. The, I don't wanna talk about the kids. I don't [00:32:00] want the kids to be on me. I don't want to have to make big decisions. I just wanna be left alone. They always wanna be left alone in their man

Speaker 3: cave.

Regan: In their man cave. Uh, but it just this idea of like, I should be completely unbothered.

From the second I come home. Mm-hmm. And it's like, okay, so that means your wife is consistently bothered.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Your wife never has respite, your wife never gets a break. Mm-hmm. Except for the fact that these men often consider being stay at home or any form of stay at home, even if it's mixed with some work or part-time work.

Mm-hmm. It's easy.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Regan: That's the easy stuff. Taking care of the kids is the easy part.

Speaker 3: I did it once for three hours. I know.

Regan: Just the fact that like one, I don't know any functional relationship in which the guy calls himself an alpha in my life. Not a one. No, not a functional relationship. But also, hey, funny thing, alphas don't even exist.

Mm-hmm. Was a studio of Wol, right. That he later was like actually [00:33:00] wrong. I messed that. I was about that up. Sorry guys. And now men are basing their entire life. Ideology based off a false study. Mm-hmm. Done a long time ago about wolves.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Are you a wolf? No. Yeah. Maybe in's sheep's clothing, but not actually.

Speaker 3: It's across the board. You could think, how many people do you know, got in a relationship from a guy that yelled at you from the outside of his car, or that cat called you like, like not a one. Exactly. Uh, and this, we were talking on the pre-show about that, uh, as of 2023, the stat I found was that only 10% of marriages started from, or long-term relationships or marriages started from people that met on apps.

Right. So 90% of relationships to this day, even in this app-centric, you know, internet centric society that we live on. 90% of relationships did not start on apps. So if you're actually seeking that type of thing out, if you're seeking something other than a hookup, you're gonna have to get off of [00:34:00] Tinder, right?

Like the likelihood is that you're going to act to actually have to go into the real world and interact with human beings, um, and have friends. And you know, that's another benefit of having friends that are women. If you were a single man, like genuine friends that are women, imagine. Is that she might also know other women that might, that you don't know, that you're not friends with mm-hmm.

That might be able to set you up, might be able to like, Hey, that's not the only reason I've said to have friends that are women. But it's like, it's all of the, all of these self-sabotage rules that guys have though of, yeah. Well I can't be friends with women. It's, it's, I didn't even thought about that to this moment though.

That's another way of sabotaging himself and then complaining. Why can't I find women to date is because you're, I'm never around

Regan: them.

Speaker 3: I'm never around any women ever. Why can't I find someone to date?

Regan: Huh? I don't know. Well, but they're, they're never gonna get off the abs chest go because mm-hmm. Then they can never say they're misogynistic shit because they would never say that to someone's face.

Mm-hmm. They can say it through an app. Mm-hmm. They can talk like that, talk to women that way. But if a woman was in front of him, [00:35:00] I guarantee you they would not be like, spitting this rehearsed game. 'cause half of them are just like copy pasting shit.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. Like

Regan: that doesn't work in real life. No. Which is also why you don't have good relationships, because you can't take it off the app.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Literally the second you have to just be yourself, which you're not being by the way you're pretending to be someone else. The second you're around people, uh, they realize, oh, this guy does not just like when we watch the video, like that guy does not match the character or persona He is pretending to be.

Speaker 3: Right. But if you say it, if you repeat it enough times, it becomes true.

Regan: That's what they say.

Speaker 3: If you say the lie enough. Right?

Regan: Say the lie enough. Oh, it just, it's all, ugh. I, I just, it kills me that it's based off of a, uh, like a now thrown away study that was not accurate at all. Like, that kills me. Like it's not, it so

Speaker 3: said so much and like non, not ironically,

Regan: right?

It's the same thing. This one they'll [00:36:00] use. Uh, some of the Alpha Mills use, uh, studies about like, uh, Reese Monkeys mm-hmm. And talk about base pairing or whatever. They talk about

Speaker 5: the holes.

Regan: Yeah. And it's like those. Why are you, why are you comparing your dating life to monkeys? Like, what are you doing when there's so many?

When

Speaker 3: Jordan Peterson said it,

Regan: he said it right? He, he literally did. I know. Um, but, but there's so many studies about women and men and relationships. Like there's so much information out there. The fact that you cling so hard to all these weird studies about animals mm-hmm. Is insane. Huh. And,

Speaker 3: and they don't even say the the vol one.

I remember I read the study because I was like, I remember when that one came out. It doesn't even say. What they're saying. Yeah. It, it actually, it, it specifically even says the caveat 'cause that's what any good study is gonna have limitations of. It says that this is not applicable. Outside that, that further studies will need to be done to see if this sort of stuff, uh, holds true.

What's this? [00:37:00] It, it was the whole vol pair, uh, pair bonding and vol. Okay.

Regan: Yeah. They did the same thing with the Reese monkeys, Reese

Speaker 3: Mon. Okay. Um, but it was the whole, the whole idea was that it would have to be, you have to do further studies, and the reason these studies do not, and this whole. The, the bullshit behind evolutionary biology oh, or psychology, uh, within, uh, humans is that our brains are different, right?

We are able to make much more complex decisions and actually think beyond an abstract nature and the way that we. Function in our society, the way that we interpret information mm-hmm. Is different. And it's not the exact, our brains don't work the same. Right. I

Regan: just, in any other context, you would be laughed outta the fucking room.

Right? Like in any other world, like if somebody, you, you were all doing a study on something, you, everyone was, had to come in with evidence. Like say it was speech and debate or something. And, uh, they all have to come in with an argument. And it's about like, the relationships between men and women and how the, how they pair and how they, uh, attach to [00:38:00] each other.

And like, some random kid goes, I have a study from 1974 about voles. Mm-hmm. You'd be like, no, no, go re go. Redo that. We're not done. We, we would. Absolutely exclude that. Right? Because you would say that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. It's not, we're not talking about bowls Like that doesn't make any sense to use.

It's not applicable to the conversation.

Speaker 3: Yeah. They will continuously throw out, well, studies show the data, shows the numbers show, and then when you actually read what they're talking about. It wasn't even a study, it was a survey. On that, it was on a, a poll on Twitter. It was a joke on a

Regan: Popsicle stick.

There

Speaker 3: was, but it was all, it's almost never an actual study. No. And then when it is an actual study that, uh, you, you end up realizing, oh, it's, that had nothing to do with what you're, what we're talking about. You misunderstood about.

Regan: Well, and also it's like they almost never know what the study's name is.

They al almost never know what the study was about, what the factors were like. They're just. They're quoting a study, but what they're really quoting is some [00:39:00] manosphere podcast. Mm-hmm. They heard one time and then they're regurgitating like a very mangled version of that, but they spit it like it's the truth and you're like.

That's No, I don't think. Right. Like I don't think that's true. And like if you did a second of research, you would also know that that was not true. Mm-hmm. So I feel as if maybe you don't care if it's true, you just want it to make it seem like you have an educated take on something when you don't.

Speaker 3: Shocking. Right. Shocking. There is. I'm looking for it real quick. Um, I've been listening. I've been reading a lot of books. I've been listening to podcasts, so I'm behind on it. Um, but there's a podcast. Uh oh. That has a really good, it's the, uh, the Manosphere Debunked podcast. Uh, and they

Regan: go, uh, I don't know that one.

Speaker 3: They, it is really good. They go over the, the science, uh, so all these studies that bring up, like, because it, there's so many of these bad studies that are brought up, uh, and they kind of go over a lot of these, [00:40:00] uh, using data, using research Sure. To kind of debunk it. It's, it's a really good one. Cool. Um, from there, it's, uh, the, one of the host is, uh, Tinder Translators.

Uh, yes. Yeah, so she, uh, has, um. And the nice ish psychologist, I believe is the other one. Mm-hmm. Um, but anyways, but I'm mutuals with her on Instagram. That's where I found the podcast. I was like, this is great. Uh, anyways, but that's a good one. If you're, if anybody in listening is, is interested in hearing like a science backed debunking of a lot of these studies.

Yeah. Uh, that one is a, is a great one to listen to. I'll put, I'll try to link it into the, uh, in the show notes.

Regan: There you go. Rather than us just being like, that's bullshit.

Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bull. You listen to us, for us to say, to hear us talking shit about the guys and then go there and hear the science about why we said it was bullshit.

Regan: Yeah.

Speaker 3: It's not that we haven't read the science. I just don't, I'm not, that's not my, here's the difference between us and like Jordan Peterson or mm-hmm. Scott Galloway, uh, is. I'm not gonna present myself as an expert. Right. On something that I'm not trained to talk about. I'll [00:41:00] give my opinion on it.

Regan: Also, I'm not gonna misquote, like if I'm not positive on something, I either look it up or I don't say it.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Yeah. And it's, it is bizarre that like too. Even if you, like, if you were to describe what the study was mm-hmm. Most sweat men would be horrifically insulted if you said, I have an opinion on you, and that is based on a monkey study. Mm-hmm. Like, they would be horrified. They'd be like, how dare

Chesko: you say that

Regan: I'm a man.

I am a real live man.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Like they would never Yeah. But the second it goes in their favor, they're like, oh yeah. Completely applicable. My brain is that of a monkeys.

Speaker 3: You know, this animal also, like, they'll also fight to the death over something. Yeah. And they would be, yeah. That's alpha. I'll do that too.

Regan: Yeah. They eat their own poo. Same,

Speaker 3: same. Sometimes. I heard it's good for your gut biome. Um, biohacking, they call it biohacking. Crypto. Crypto. All right. Well, for the, for everyone that has stuck around, do you have any [00:42:00] final thoughts?

Regan: Final thoughts would be. None of the alphas are alphas and all the dating coaches think the least of men.

Speaker 3: And for me, I'll say buy my course. If you wanna find out how to be a true beta,

Regan: you could probably write a hilarious beta course. Of

Speaker 3: course. Pretty funny. Proper beta etiquette 1 0 1.

Regan: Yeah, I guarantee Now you know what? That would be such a, like a checkmate. To the guys online if you did like a beta video, because then what do they put in the comments?

Speaker 3: Right? Be uh, so well I have that shirt. I agree. It's the only, it's the only shirt I have currently in my, uh, uh, my, my personal merch store. And it says like, white Knight, beta soy boy. Like it has all the different terms. Soy boy

Regan: kills me.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Ugh. So for those of you that have stuck around to Reagan and I ranting about, oh, we have some more, would you rathers to Yes.

To hard, heavily debate. Right. I [00:43:00] think what we should do, Reagan, is we should come up with one correct answer.

Regan: Oh no, we never will.

Speaker 3: Here's one right here. Okay. Would you And we're gonna go cellular this time. 'cause I got too serious. I, I, I chose two serious ones. Yes. Last time. So like, oh my god. Off the cuff.

Okay. We'll see how it goes. All right. Would you rather have hair that changes color based on your mood that is visible to everyone or have floating text above your head that displays your exact thoughts once per day at a random moment.

Regan: Oh my God. Hold that. I ripped out my headphone cord just outta fear.

Um, do I hear you? Yeah.

Chesko: Okay. I can hear you.

Regan: I

Speaker 3: do.

Regan: You ask

Speaker 3: me, do I hear you?

Regan: I dunno, kit. Well, if I, okay, so here's the problem. I'm bipolar and like I have so many moods and I also, I have enough trouble, uh, with my face

Chesko: uhhuh,

Regan: showing my mood. I'm gonna go with hair color changing with my mood because I have some of these strangest thoughts [00:44:00] imaginable.

And my brain goes to really weird places and like. I cannot imagine speaking to someone and then them seeing, like I'm thinking about, oh, like we've talked about a weird scene in a Korean

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Regan: Horror drama. Like, no,

Speaker 3: no, no. My impulsive thoughts w are I don't want anybody seeing those. I'm embarrassed enough with nobody knowing about, I know what pops in ears sometimes.

And also I actually think the, um. The hair that shows how you feel Yeah. Could actually be a benefit for those of us that don't always have faces that match how we're feeling. Oh, yeah. Many times you've even asked, I, there's, this is a running joke to my wife and I. She'll be like, do are you, do you wanna go home?

And I'm be like, I'm having a great time and it's true, but on my face, but I'll be thinking about something. Yeah. And I'll be like, there's something going on that's making me look like I'm just so upset.

Regan: Yeah, I can't, my intrusive thoughts could never, I cannot be showing my thoughts to people. I will be, yeah, I'm gonna go there.

Speaker 3: And it would encourage you to be more, the hair thing would still just you, it would encourage you to be honest, right? Yes. [00:45:00] Yes. Yeah.

Regan: Better than the thought. Better than my thoughts

Speaker 3: thought. Yeah. Even though it, it's the random time. Yes. Because, you know, would be the way the game would work, it would be at the worst possible time.

Regan: Weirdest thought, weirdest thing out of

Speaker 3: context.

Regan: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: That's also how DH ADHD brain too works. We like, because we connect 25 things and then we've moved on to like, I do wonder what it would taste to die.

Regan: Yeah. It's terrible. No, no, no. Okay. Next one.

Speaker 3: Okay. Would you rather have to speak in rhymes or always have to end every sentence with a random sound effect?

Regan: Ooh, I, I would want a sound effect. I do sound effects anyways. I basically do it already, so Bon. Like I love, the thing with rhyming is I would never be able to, I could do it because I love rhyming, but I wouldn't be able to get my point across and that would really upset me. It'd be

Speaker 3: so frustrating. See, I'm gonna choose the rhyme [00:46:00] one.

Regan: What

Speaker 3: I think. I'd much rather you lost sound

Regan: effects.

Speaker 3: I know, but I think after what if, what if you're like, I'm so sorry for the loss of your father,

Regan: mark.

Speaker 3: Oh man. I'm just, I'm breaking up

Regan: with you and then it's celebration. I'm, I'm up with

Speaker 3: you.

I think I'm really depressed. Oh,

Regan: can I tell you something?

Chesko: Sure.

Regan: I had a friend of mine who was doing a Zoom call with her therapist, and, um, she was saying something really depressing and she like put her hands up suddenly in the middle of like, like sobbing. Like she was really upset and she threw her hands up and for some reason the Zoom did fire.[00:47:00]

It was like, do you acknowledge the fact that it mid sub, we did fireworks, and she was like, oh my God, I am not ready to laugh about this yet. But that was quite funny. Oh my God. That's

Speaker 3: exactly why you ended speak and rhyme. I guess that would probably also be bad though.

Regan: I, I get to pick the sound effect and so I will pick a good sound effect versus if the sound effect picks itself, that would be good.

But it was

Chesko: red. You're, you're like, I'm so sorry for your loss.

Regan: Wa.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3: Those are those. Those are pretty bad. But I'm still, I'm sticking with rhymes. I'm sticking with the rhymes.

Regan: All right. All right. Okay.

Speaker 3: Would you rather have taste buds in your fingers or have your sneezes sound exactly like celebrity catchphrases?

Regan: Oh, catchphrases all day. That's not even, that took me no time.

Speaker 3: Okay. Do you want taste buds

Regan: on your, do you know how much stuff you touch in a day?

Speaker 3: Yeah. No, that would be pretty rough

Regan: Bathrooms.

Speaker 3: I need to think about. Oh God, [00:48:00] nevermind. Alright. Immediate. That's not even tough. Okay. That's about a D one. That was, that's a, yeah,

Regan: that's an easy one. Oh god.

Speaker 3: And also that would be kind of creative to have sneezes sound like celebrity catch base.

Yeah.

Regan: Well, I guess it depends on the celebrity 'cause. Yikes. I guess.

Speaker 3: Well that's a good, that's a good point. Um, would you rather be able to converse with non-human animals or have a lifelong fluency in every human language?

Regan: Oh,

my wife would say animals. I would probably say speak every language. Ah.

Speaker 3: It's a tough one though.

Regan: It's tough because there's so many times, like when I'm in different places, I wanna be able to communicate in ways or just like when you, you know, sometimes you're in places where clearly there's a language barrier for someone and all you wanna do is like, make it easier for that person.

Mm-hmm. And communicate with them. But you just, I'm like, I can't, I don't know. I don't speak Spanish. I really wanna help your, uh, I feel the same way about [00:49:00] sign language. 'cause I don't. Right. I only know a little bit of it. Right. And there's times that I can tell somebody, it would be very helpful if somebody spoke it.

So

Speaker 3: also, what if, what if you found out you, you chose the anum one and you found out your dog hates you?

Regan: Oh my God. It's like you stupid bitch.

Speaker 3: You're not my real mom.

Regan: I've been planning on eating you for months. Oh, man.

Speaker 3: Um, I probably still, I mean, that would be, that would be, that would be real tragic. That would be sad.

Uh, but I think, I don't know. I feel like there's technology close enough to tr like translation. Mm-hmm. That it will at some point in our lives. There's gonna be like a babblefish that we can put on our ears and just have direct transl translation. We're

Regan: not there yet, though. We're,

Speaker 3: but we're never gonna, never gonna have that with animals though.

And also, look, what if you're in the woods and a bear comes up? Wouldn't you be able to be like, are you planning on eating me, sir? Tell me, do I need to be scared right now? Ben, [00:50:00]

Regan: what's the bear gonna say? No.

Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good point. Are bears capable of, uh, subtext of, are they capable of lying? There's

Regan: just a sarcastic bear, like, no,

Speaker 3: no, I would never eat you.

Why don't you, Bri, come over here with that picnic basket? I.

Regan: You made him like a sassy gay man.

Chesko: Well, he, he is a bear. He's

Regan: a bear On that note, we have to stop talking. Oh God. Well, thank you Vince, for joining us for this somewhat chaotic episode. Yes. If you have any, would you rathers that you want us to do, let us know as long as they're not too inappropriate or depressing.

Speaker 3: Write 'em in the comment section.

Regan: Yeah, write 'em in the comment section and we All right. We'll catch you next week on the Mr. Pick, me and The Man Hater Show. Bye

Speaker 3: bye. Love you

Regan: and check out the Patreon also. Yes. Good day.

Speaker 3: Good [00:51:00] day.