Men r Pretending Women Are Naked In the Gym_mixdown ===

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Speaker 2: Well, why are you hurting me? I'm just a Southern Russian. Oh no. Okay. Friends, I don't know if you have seen this, but right now on TikTok in particular, there is a debate [00:06:00] going on about how much clothing women are wearing at the gym.

Speaker 9: Mm-hmm. And

Speaker 2: a lot of men seem to be very upset at women not wearing enough clothing.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: That is distracting that. It's inviting almost basically, that they're not able to pay attention doing their workouts because of these women, you know, I don't know, wearing a sports bra. I guess

Speaker 3: here's the, my confusion real quick before we get to the clip. I, I go to the, this might shock some people that have seen me.

I go to the gym in Los Angeles. Right. Which is known for like theoretically, uh, known for these sort of things. Mm-hmm. W what are they talking about? Like I, everyone there like to be, especially in the summer, everyone there is wearing not a lot of clothing, right? Yeah. Have you seen, there's, there's, there's the running joke of guys in like basketball shorts and sweats Yeah.

[00:07:00] Online about what are we seeing in those situations, right? But, uh, there. That's what you wear to work out. Like that's the point of working out. You tend to not bundle up in a parka. I do, for everyone else's sake, but like in general,

Speaker 2: I wear the 1980s plastic sweatsuits. Perfect. I

Speaker 3: fully, I am a, I am a full on, you know, six layers.

I like to pass out mid routine. It helps me. That's what they call it, a sweatshirt, right? Because you put on

Speaker 2: Yeah. People do sweatshirt, do that. I

Speaker 3: know, I know.

Speaker 2: I, I mean, what I'm envisioning is what they're talking about is at best or worst, I guess, depending on how you wanna say it. A like tight, short shorts.

Mm-hmm. And a sports bra,

Speaker 8: right?

Speaker 2: Because they're not naked, they're, their breasts are not out. I can guarantee that you hear me like stumbling over breasts. I don't say that very often. Um, are not out. There's no way in hell you're seeing their boobs, right? Mm-hmm. What are we [00:08:00] talking about here and why are men so upset?

Because I've seen men at the gym in very little clothing. Mm-hmm. Have you ever seen where they, they've cut. Oh yeah. The loose so much. Yep. Mm-hmm. It's like a strapped down the middle.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Uh, that makes me insecure. We're gonna talk about what I don't like seeing at the gym. Can you men cover up a bit more?

Well show some more

Speaker 2: modesty for me. Let's, let's listen to a guy talking about this. This video has over 2 million likes.

Speaker 3: Okay. Likes. That's not even views.

Speaker 2: Not views.

Speaker 3: Wow. Likes, okay.

Speaker 2: The title on it is We really Living in the end times.

Speaker 3: Mm. About to hear some truth.

Speaker 2: This somehow relates to women in the gym wearing

Speaker 3: mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Clothing. Okay. Let's do this.

Speaker 12: Like we really, in a fucking day and age, we're telling bitches, can we, can you please stop coming to the gym ass Fucking naked starts a public fucking [00:09:00] discourse. A public fucking uproar. Like all we wanna do is come to the fucking gym and work out. But no, the leg press machine gotta look like a fucking casting couch because bitches is literally at the gym in lingerie.

Like, what the fuck are we talking about? Then a bitch will look you in your eyes and tell you it's not bothering in the body. I'm.

What the fuck, bitch? Are we at Myrtle Beach or La fucking Fitness? Help me understand. Help me understand why you feel the need to come outside damn near naked. Wh what is it about, why are you fighting so hard to literally just go in public service as naked? Like, that's essentially what the fuck you fighting for.

Like this is, if that is important to you as a person, you are one privileged piece of shit. Because who the fuck outta all the bills death, uh, [00:10:00] institutionalized, systematic racism and shit. Imperialism. And you wanna put your fucking time and emotions to fighting for pe bitches to be able to come to any public event ass fucking naked.

Bitch shorts so fucking tight up her ass. She got a fart for them bitches to come off. I get the fuck out my face. Okay.

Speaker 9: Okay. Hold on, hold on. Okay, hold on. I wanna apologize to our listeners. I had not fully listened to. Do that clue?

Speaker 3: I have not. And also, I was away at a conference this week. I have not, this is my first exposure to this debate that's going on.

Uh, point of clarification, is Myrtle Beach known for Naked women? I don't know. This isn't Myrtle Beach. I was like, that's a reference I've never heard.

Speaker 2: I don't

Speaker 3: know.

Speaker 7: I

Speaker 2: don't know. Is farting a common way to get your shorts off?

Speaker 3: And so I get 'em off.

Speaker 2: Oh, ew. That's, oh, [00:11:00]

Speaker 3: that's gonna change some people's opinion of me.

No, it won't. How else do you get your shorts off, Reagan? My hands are full of food.

Speaker 7: What? Why are your hands full of food when you're taking your shorts off? Because I'm in bed. You don't eat in bed. This is getting deeper into a mythology about you. Back to

Speaker 3: the video. This is, none of this is true, I swear.

Speaker 2: Okay. I'm telling everyone on the internet that Checo. Likes to eat food in bed. So much so that he farts to get his

Speaker 3: that out. You gotta power up the gas. You need a lot of gas to get them off.

Speaker 2: Ah, just go, I hate this. Let's get No, no, no. I wanna be repulsed by something else.

Speaker 3: Okay. Okay.

Speaker 2: Here's just my general opinion.

Any video that starts by telling bitches, can you please stop coming to the gym ass F-ing naked. I don't think it's a strong start for saying that. You know, you're on the right When it comes to an argument,

Speaker 3: I don't think your goal is persuasion, if that's what your, if your hope is to [00:12:00] persuade some way, like if I, if I, I don't wanna speak for women, but if I'm a woman hearing this man say, I'm not even gonna repeat what he, he what he said.

Right. You can't, uh, I can't, I, I won't do that. So, but if he, if I heard him say that, I, I, I'm not gonna be like, he has a point.

Speaker 4: You know what

Speaker 3: has a point?

Speaker 2: By the third time he called me a bitch. Mm-hmm. I started to think about it

Speaker 3: like the first time I was a little offended. Yeah. By the third time though, I was like, I saw the error of my ways.

Speaker 2: It's crazy because like the disdain for women is just like at the forefront of this conversation. Right? Like the way he's calling him bitches. Like the other thing I was thinking about was. He says like, girls on the leg press is like the casting couch. Okay? Mm-hmm. Well, the casting couch is a porn reference.

Speaker 6: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Well, I think it was actually a like. Okay. Actually there's two references there. The original casting couch,

Speaker 10: the older reference was, yeah.

Speaker 2: Is was about sexual assault essentially. Mm-hmm. Where they would sexually assault [00:13:00] women. Mm-hmm. Or force them into compromising positions where they're forced to do sexual acts.

Mm-hmm. In order to get rules. And there is really no consensual act in that, in the sense of the power dynamic is off right away. Mm-hmm. If you are casting someone Right. So that's offensive. And then the next one would just be a porn reference where they do, right. It's like, what, what is the, they, they like, do,

Speaker 3: do I, I, I don't, I hate how I know it.

Backroom casting couch. What? It's like a trope in, in like in porn it's like, were they, it's like acid, it's like a fake, it's like, I don't know if it's fake or I'm assuming it's fake. Uh, or else it would be like. Illegal, but like I remember there is, it's like they, they like film it as if it's a casting couch, like using the trope and then it's like they're like auditioning them for porn.

Speaker 2: Oh, so, so they're reenacting the trauma, like a fake,

Speaker 3: the trauma as as. Yeah.

Speaker 2: For men pleasure.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Mm.

Speaker 2: Again, not a drunk start for him not aligning with his values [00:14:00] here. Yeah. But like that's the thing though. And I think, um. Lisa, like why the edit?

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: You know why? Okay. Just did a video, I think, on this, but was talking about, mm-hmm.

The casting couch or like, like people who watch a ton of porn essentially, and how you can tell mm-hmm. Men's arguments that they do like mm-hmm. It's this dude for sure. Mm-hmm. It's this guy, clearly, I would say is a frequent viewer of porn.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: If he's using that reference.

Speaker 3: Is Myrtle Beach also a trope in porn?

I don't know. I don't,

Speaker 2: everyone knows

Speaker 4: the Myrtle Beach videos.

Speaker 3: Can I go on a quick tangent? I'm so sorry. Oh

Speaker 4: my God. Buckle up.

Speaker 3: Someone, some, someone posted, they, uh, women voted on the least to most attractive hobbies of men,

Speaker 11: Uhhuh.

Speaker 3: And the second least, uh, attractive one was porn. And I was like, is that a hobby?

That's a hobby. How? Like what, what is the marker that makes like you all porn hobbyist? Like, you know, is it like actually partaking and being, [00:15:00] no,

Speaker 2: hey honey, I have to go do my hobby in the basement. Seen a couple hours

Speaker 3: golf. No. I'm gonna partake in pornography.

Speaker 7: Do you need anything? Not really them. Cheetos, maybe che some stop putting eating and everything.

Speaker 3: I, that's my porn. Cheetos. I mean, I No like getting p Never. I don't, no. My joke was that, my joke was that I, it's that I like eating. Not that there was anything sexual about it.

Speaker 5: You can't call something your, it's a bad joke. I

Speaker 3: know that. That's, I realize. That my brain took a few extra steps to get away from there.

I just, no, leave this in. I don't care. Judge me. Oh, I'm leaving this in. Judge me if you want. I don't even like Cheetos. I thought that just survived because it's what? What makes porn a hobby? Like what? What delineates it from a recreational delusion? Absolute delusion, I guess. So. Any whom?

Speaker 2: And the thing is like, this is what [00:16:00] bothers me about this argument is that it centers men's experience and perspective.

Mm-hmm. And it also completely. Like releases them from any accountability. Mm-hmm. Like a woman can go to the gym in a sports bra and shorts unless there's a rule. Mm-hmm. Like certain gyms, I know, uh, planet Fitness has some rules about what you can and can't wear.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: And she will never be the cause of them sexualizing her period.

Mm-hmm. Like, she is not at fault. And I think it's crazy to act like these men are like, oh, you came to the gym and I couldn't stop staring at at you. I just couldn't

Speaker 3: stop. There was, it was uncontrollable and that, that it's the whole infantalizing of themself. Yes. In order to justify any accountability for what they're doing.

Like, like I said, I. Once again, mind blowing shock about me going to the gym. But when I'm there, you know, and I'm a people watcher. I love looking at people in general. Right. Not in the gym. Not in the gym. It's really easy not to. Yeah. It's [00:17:00] really easy to just not stare at the bodies of the people around you, right.

While you're working out. Right.

Speaker 2: It's like this idea of like, what, what El what am I supposed to do? Work out.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: That's what you supposed to do. Just work out. Are you that helpless? Do you have no self-control at all that you're like a deer in the headlights with a woman in a sports bra and you have to gawk at them?

Mm-hmm. And like blaming women for that. Like your lack of self-control is a woman's fault. This is like purity culture bullshit. It's combined with the anger

Speaker 3: about it though. Yeah. Yeah. It's, that's, that's the key. Yeah. But I think it's, I think the, the whole conversation feels like it's, it's grounded in, in this anger at women for having the audacity to, to, uh, not dress what they would deem to be modestly

Speaker 11: Yeah.

Speaker 3: Right. In, in their space. 'cause it's a male space, right. When it's not, it's a shared space

Speaker 2: that is the overlying theme here. Like that they feel like it's their [00:18:00] space and it should be handled their way. And I think it's also interesting like. He in that video said they were fighting for the right to be naked.

Speaker 10: It's

Speaker 2: like, I feel like you are blatantly missing the point here, right? Like I feel like you are being absolutely obtuse.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: First of all, there's no women that wanna be naked in a gym full of men.

Speaker 10: Right.

Speaker 2: I will tell you right now. Mm-hmm. This is not women. Wanting to be naked and then like slowly working their way.

Like, okay, well I'll take off. I'll do my short socks now. Right. And then I'll take off my shirt and I'll be my sports bra, and then eventually I'll just be naked. No. Mm-hmm. What it is, is women who wanna workout mm-hmm. Not wanting to be hot and sticky and sweaty. Mm-hmm. Because you have to wear a sports bra.

Most women correction, most women have to wear a sports bra mm-hmm. In order to not hurt their fricking backs. So they already have this. Tight thing on them that's sticking to their skin.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Which men usually don't have to do, they usually don't have something like that. They could [00:19:00] do a loose teeth.

You're already sweating and gross. So it's like a lot of women do want to wear less

Speaker 3: and a sports bra in general. Is like the least quote unquote, like revealing sexy thing. Right. You could wear, it's not, she's not wearing like a revealing low cut. And even if she was, that's not my point. My point is like they're getting mad.

It's not like a lace

Speaker 4: brawl.

Speaker 3: Yeah. At something that serves a utility.

Speaker 4: Yes.

Speaker 3: That it is, it is created for function, not form. Right. It's not there. I'm sure there are sports bras that obviously there are exceptions to this role, but in general, a sports bra is created for, for like, to your point, to protect your back, to, to keep you from being uncomfortable.

Speaker 2: Keep the girls in check,

Speaker 3: all moving. Yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that's, I don't for a second believe that their issue is with whatever amount of clothing women are wearing because anywhere else. Men love to a, at women, like, like mm-hmm. The men that are saying this in any other setting would be happy. Women had less clothing on.

Mm-hmm. What I think it is, is they're [00:20:00] mad that they're attracted to them. Like again, this is the centering of themselves and, and their mindset. Right. They are mad that they are having to take time away from the grind and the masculine, manly shit they do. To then have sexual like lust, lustful feelings.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: At a woman who just is also working out. Mm-hmm. Whereas they don't see it as you both have equal rights to work out.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: You are in control of yourself.

Speaker 10: If

Speaker 2: you don't want, like, don't look at her then. And it's women wanting to exist in space and not have men dictate everything about them.

Mm-hmm. Not having men dictate what they wear, how they wear it, because women and men have equal rights to that space.

Speaker 10: So

Speaker 2: the fact that men think they get to dictate what women wear, if it's not the gym's policy is what's upsetting because historically, women have had men and you know, men who run the government as well, tell them what to wear, [00:21:00] how to dress.

Like mm-hmm. Control their bodies control how they present. Mm-hmm. And in this case, they are being controlled because of men's sexual desires. Mm-hmm. It is the same thing we do to young girls who are in schools who have skirt rules because people are afraid they're going to tempt the boys, or even more horrifyingly.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: There are schools that openly say they do that so that male teachers aren't tempted.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: This is the same fucking argument that is just as horrifying. Right.

Speaker 3: And that's the point. This is not like a brand new thing. No, it's a, it's a, this is, this is the environment that is now being focused on, uh, in, in this particular, but this is something that's been repeated my entire life at least, and no longer than that.

Right. Uh, of, of ways to, and it's always the onus, the, the, the underlying thing. Is, uh, how do we control women? Yep. So that we can justify when a man acts out of turn and does [00:22:00] something that is societally unacceptable, the blame does not get put onto the man in that situation. The blame can then be pushed onto women for putting the man in a situation where they just, it was just a poor little boy with no, no control.

Speaker 2: These are the same men that literally talk so much about, you know, it's all about discipline and mindset. Mm-hmm. And having control over your body and your mind and your diet, and hitting those reps and don't give up and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And yet you are thrown off and completely derailed by a woman in a sports bra.

Mm-hmm. Which. The whole issue is like women just want to work out. Mm-hmm. Women want to exist in space and be comfortable.

Speaker 9: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: And making it about, again, I, I think you're exactly right. The undercurrent of this is this idea that these women are tempting them, they're being sexual, like the way that we sexualize women's bodies is infuriating.

Mm-hmm. A woman existing and just being able to see some of her [00:23:00] skin mm-hmm. Is being made akin to her trying to seduce men. Their, their bodies are seen as inherently sexual. Mm-hmm. Like they are inviting attention or inviting interaction with men. Mm-hmm. And that is the language of abuse from men.

Mm-hmm. That is a language of sexual abuse. By saying just by existing, just by what you're wearing, you are asking for it.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. There was, there was a creator, um, oh, I forgot his, his name is Mike. Uh, I'm trying to remember his name. Name. That's not helpful. No, I know. But he, this will, this will clarify. He was, uh.

He was a former MMA fighter. He was one of the power rangers at one point. Oh. Okay. That's very helpful. Yeah. He was in like, uh, like three ninjas or something. One of those old, like, anyways. Yeah. Um, but he was an MMA fighter at one point, and I remember a video, and I'm paraphrasing here 'cause this was years ago, so it's not like, once again, this conversation even on workout attire is not new, which is trending right now.

Um, where someone asked about, like, or talked about the clothing. Um, and he, uh, he [00:24:00] was, he talked about how he fought in a speedo. For like, when he was doing MMA. Mm-hmm. And they said when he was given the permission to, like, they changed the outfits, they were allowed to wear whatever they wanted. He was like, uh, oh.

I think it was the conversation about Olympic athletes wearing mm-hmm. The outfits. And he was like, I still fought in a speedo, because that was the best that, that was, that worked best for what I was doing. Right. It was the least restricting it. Uh, it per the, I would, IW if I, if wearing another outfit would've given me a competitive advantage.

I would wear that other outfit. This was the outfit that I was most comfortable fighting in. And it just happened to be very revealing. Right, right. In that situ, the way, same reason swimmers cer wear certain things, um, oftentimes, et cetera. And so the, the, the notion that the only reason a woman would be wearing something revealing is that.

Because they want to appeal to the male gaze because they want men to look at them ignores all of these other situations where men are doing the identical situation, but they [00:25:00] understand because they're able to put themself into perspective of a man that a man might wear a revealing outfit in a situation in a certain type of sport because that gives them a competitive advantage.

But the only reason a woman would be wearing something like that is because she wants to. Perform for the gaze of men or, or show off or, uh, entice them or be whatever other stereotype of, of a temps of a woman, um, that will be there. Right. There's, there's so many layers of reason, and this is the reason there's so many reasons why this could be, is because of this argument, like we said, has been going on for so many decades.

Yeah. Right. That they're, they've always continually finding a new way to demonize women to justify the actions of men.

Speaker 2: A hundred percent. I mean, and again, it's so male centered. Mm-hmm. Like everything about this is from the male perspective.

Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Uh, and speaking of male centered, there is a thing that we call male centered women.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: It's women who [00:26:00] center the male perspective. So I have a video from a woman who I would say is male centered. You can tell me what you think. All right?

Speaker 13: All right, girlies, it is time to get real with yourself. Okay. You, the double standard is going too hard. It's 2025. We gotta start making some sense, please.

Right now the biggest issue apparently across my for you page is the outrage that women are having because men are now saying that women need to come to the gym in clothes. Like men are saying, Hey. Please don't come in here naked. Please don't come in here in your lingerie. Please don't come in here bending over and squatting and doing all the stuff that you do basically with everything hanging out.

And women say, oh my God, you're the problem. See, you're out here. You can't even control yourself. Really and truly, let's just think about this. If a man is in a gym. And this happens all the time, so let's not pretend. But if a man is in a gym and he happens to look around as people do, and he is glancing in your general direction, sometimes even zoned out and having nothing to do with [00:27:00] what you're doing, first thing women will do is pull out a phone, wanna record post you online, call you a predator.

Happens all the time. You say that men are the problem, but you go into these spaces where you know men are gonna be, and then you basically set them up and a man could be. Doing absolutely nothing but mining his own business and working out, and you're. Still gonna claim that he's doing something wrong.

So yeah, men no longer feel safe. They don't feel safe with you being naked in their spaces. They don't feel comfortable being in a place where they can't help but have eyes and you being in their presence. Because if somebody takes a picture and it can portray them as looking in your general direction, wearing next to nothing, well then they're gonna be labeled.

And they're gonna be labeled something that could be damaging to themselves, to their career, to whatever they got going on. So you basically protesting men saying, please cover up a little bit. Please don't come in here naked. Wear gym [00:28:00] appropriate clothes. It's unfortunate because you are the misguided one here.

You say men need to control themselves. Women need to control themselves too. Women also do have to control themselves. You don't get to make people around you in the general public uncomfortable and think that it's okay because of your gender.

Speaker 3: First off. I'm supposed to be the pick me here.

Speaker 2: I'm feeling threatened.

Speaker 3: I am feeling a little threatened right now. Um,

Speaker 2: her whole platform is, um, giving advice as a wife, and I would assume it's along these lines.

Speaker 3: That's what somebody, real quick, somebody messaged me the other day. They were like, why can't you be more like the, the women that are speaking out on these issues like Pearl and Emily King?

And, and I was like. Uh, there's another one I can't remember, but like, the, the people, I'm like, what, what are you talking about? Why are the, I would not, that's [00:29:00] the opposite of what I wanna do. They're like, well, you need to call out women more for what they're doing. I was like, what are, what are you? Get off of my

Speaker 2: channel.

I dug that. Misogyny, that's internalized. Misogyny.

Speaker 3: My favorite thing I do now. Sorry, we'll get to the video in a second. Sorry. That's just, this always triggers, uh, the, but I, uh, I get whenever someone says like, you're a liar, you're angry, blah, blah, blah. Or they, because it's kind of what she's saying, the, the, the, the whole, I'm like, okay, what did I say specifically?

That you have an issue with. They have never able to give me

Speaker 2: Yeah. Time code. Gimme the time code of what I said. Tell me

Speaker 3: specific, let's talk. I'm like, let's talk about it. Let's figure out what I said. That's wrong. Right. And so this, this will go back to the video though. It goes back to this your, the re, the argument that this creator's making is accepting the premise.

Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: That one that men are having their lives ruined all over the place. It's for, for all of these issues. Like clearly it's an

Speaker 7: epidemic.

Speaker 3: It's an epidemic in our society of [00:30:00] gym photos everywhere. Like as if that's all that, that's, that's the issue in our, this is the truly the crime of our era is are all these men having their li ruined from gym, these gym photos Yeah.

That, uh, are going on there. Um. Second the premise. That is she, she gave into the idea that, uh, we, that, that women are, once again, the temperature says going in, wearing, she says, lingerie

Speaker 2: I know.

Speaker 3: To the gym. Ugh.

Speaker 2: Here's the thing, it's the straw man argument because. We had an original issue, women wearing sports, brass and shorts to the gym.

Mm-hmm. Men being pissed about that. That is the original argument. Mm-hmm. Now we have straw mandate to men begging women to stop showing up naked.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Both of those creators said repeatedly naked that the women are [00:31:00] naked. Mm-hmm. And when we take it to the extreme, obviously, should they show up naked?

Mm-hmm. No, that's obviously a crime. Mm-hmm. There's laws for that.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: That's not the issue. And pretending that women are showing up naked or in their undies

Speaker 10: mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Is facetious. And it's bad. It's a bad faith argument because that is not what we're talking about. Mm-hmm. And it's so infuriating.

Hearing a woman be the mouthpiece of misogynistic viewpoints. Mm-hmm. Because that is not what women have a problem with. Mm-hmm. That is not why women are upset. They don't want to just be naked.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: They just want to work out and like mm-hmm. The way that she's phrasing it, acting like, well, men have to wear clothes and so do you, this double standard.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: It's not a double standard. Both parties want to be comfortable when working out, so to say there's a double [00:32:00] standard, like men don't have to wear sports brass. Mm-hmm. Usually.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: And so if men had to wear sports bras, they may feel like, oh yeah, it is kind of uncomfortable doing a sports bra and a shirt over that for some people.

Mm-hmm. It does feel gross to sweat in that.

Speaker 3: I can tell you I have seen more male nipples than female nipples in the gym.

Speaker 2: It's not even close. We're talking about

Speaker 3: revealing. It's not even close. It's

Speaker 2: not even close and like running outside. Mm-hmm. I see shirtless guys. Mm-hmm. Constantly when running. I almost never see, actually, I have never seen a woman running without a shirt on.

Mm-hmm. Or a sports bra on. Mm-hmm. That's the double standard.

Speaker 3: Even in areas like it's legal in, in many like metropolitan areas now. Mm-hmm. Where they, they've passed ordinances where women cannot be fined or, or jailed or whatever for, for being topless in, in public areas, you still never see it anymore.

Yeah. And like, it's like those ordinances where people don't understand you have to go to extreme. Uh, examples to get these things passed sometimes. Mm-hmm. Really it [00:33:00] was about like women getting harassed for breastfeeding. Yeah. Right, right. And these kind of things, or for, for just simply existing in, in, uh, uh, in, in a body that was not fully covered, uh, in a public area.

But

Speaker 2: well, making men, the persecuted group of this situation is just insane to me because it always comes back to even in the arguments of like. Well, we're talking about inequality for men or you know, the L mm-hmm. The male loneliness, epidemic, whatever. It's like, name me one law in any state. Mm-hmm. That restricts men solely because they are men.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Laws that solely are for men to restrict their rights. That takes away a right of theirs, especially over their body.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: That does not apply to everybody else.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: You can't. There's not one. Mm-hmm. Because we oppress women, and in this case saying it's a double standard to then restrict what women are wearing.

That's not this double standard. It's the norm. Yeah. It's the standard.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. [00:34:00]

Speaker 2: Of discrimination that women face.

Speaker 3: Right. The double standard would be requiring men to wear full body clothing and cover up everything and wear, you know, the work, not be able to wear the workout they close, but then allowing women to, uh, to to do it.

Right. Right. Having a rule

Speaker 2: on men that is not on women. Yeah. They

Speaker 3: are crafting a double what she, they're arguing in favor for it. Is the double standard. Yes. That is there. And, and I just, I can, and the other thing she said, which is the point we brought up before I'd never even seen this video, was she conceded the idea that this, that this is their space, right?

These are male spaces. These are workout spaces, right? Men have, have kind of commandeered them in many ways of being their spaces, but these are exercise facilities that are open to men and women. Right? They are not, they are not, they're open to anybody, right. Across the gender, gender spectrum. Right. And so the idea that these, these, uh, women have, have [00:35:00] come into this male space mm-hmm.

And, uh, and, and taken it away also as if there aren't. Like males don't have dominance over so many other spaces in our society. Is is it as if everything isn't already geared toward the comfort of of men?

Speaker 2: Well, and then speaking to what you and I were arguing before we listened to that whole clip.

Mm-hmm. I hadn't even listened to the whole thing. She brings up the very point we said. Was that men will use women's lack of clothing, less clothing to blame them for their own actions. Mm-hmm. And in this case, she's saying, well, men will just be like looking around and you'll be wearing no clothing, and then you'll blame them and you'll give them a false accusation.

Like hearing women get on about false accusations is insane to me. Mm-hmm. Because statistically. If a man attacked a woman in a gym with proof mm-hmm. It is still not that likely mm-hmm. That she will receive [00:36:00] justice.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. It is almost impossible to get unless you have like all of these other circumstances going into.

To get prosecuted in this country and to have your quote unquote life ruined mm-hmm. For doing. And that, that's, that's the, that should be the thing people are mad about. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Is that, and, and even the videos that she talks about though, 'cause I've talked, I've seen those call out videos. Mm-hmm.

It's, it's never, uh, every once in a while there'll be a stupid one. I, I wanna say never. 'cause there's always exception to this. Sure. 99% of it though. It's, it's these creepy guys that are like getting really close to them. Yep. Or just like fully, just like in the corner. Just like creepily staring directly after I've had it happen.

Yeah. It's not, I've had it happen many

Speaker 2: times.

Speaker 3: It's not me. Gotcha. Actually looking, or Oh God, I got him in that moment right there. Yeah. Uh, right. That's not, it's not what, because, and the times, it is one of those guys, the internet goes crazy. Calling out the women for, for showing Yes. That it was not, there will be 50 million response videos showing that guy did nothing wrong.

Mm-hmm. He was not there, blah, blah, [00:37:00] blah, blah, blah. I'm, I'm not gonna say his name. Right. Calling out women for, for, you know, on the, in there, um. But it's always, that's, that's always, you see it constantly. Yep. Where, where if the, if a woman does post a video that was a guy just accidentally looking, they will be lambasted on Yep.

On the gym community, online for ha, for daring to videotape themself, uh, um, in the gym, and then call out a man for being inappropriate.

Speaker 2: I mean, like witch is more likely. That a man is gonna get a false accusation of looking at a woman funny, or a woman is going to be harassed.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. What they're upset about is that they are looking at them in a harassing way, in a, in a inappropriate kind of staring way.

Mm-hmm. And there's gonna be consequences for it.

Speaker 2: They're gonna get called out. Mm-hmm. And that's what they don't want. They don't want the consequences of their actions. Mm-hmm. But to act like the injured party is all the men who are being tempted by women and then they're mad. Mm-hmm. But, but Okay. But what's crazy is this is actually like [00:38:00] opposing arguments.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Because you have them saying, women are wearing revealing clothing because they want attention, they wanna look, they want a lingerie, they want it to be like the casting couch, whatever that guy said. Mm-hmm. But then she's saying women are going and then getting. Mad that men are staring at them.

Mm-hmm. When are women are getting upset that men are looking their way and are sensitive to being sexualized.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm. So

Speaker 2: you're saying women, men are, men are gonna get in trouble because women are going to be mad about being sexualized while simultaneously saying women are there to be sexualized.

Mm-hmm. Which you can't be both.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm. Like

Speaker 2: women aren't specifically being dressing to be sexual while simultaneously being mad about being sexualized.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: And yet these arguments are existing in the same space.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: But both of those arguments miraculously and coincidentally, I'm sure take all accountability off men.

Speaker 10: Right.

Speaker 2: If women are trying to be sexual, then it's not men's fault that they look. [00:39:00] Mm-hmm. But if women are being offended about being sexualized, that's why they're getting mad and not because men are actually looking at them.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. And also ignore ignores the fact that every woman I know has gone to the gym wearing like sweatshirts, sweatpants, et cetera, and still had a, at an awkward, horrible moment of a guy staring at them and sexualizing them and harassing them.

Right. Anyone that spends a, a, a certain amount of time in the gym Right. It doesn't, that this stuff is still gonna keep happening. Mm-hmm. Right? That, that they are, that it, it's as if women, it, it goes back to, what was she wearing? Yep.

Speaker 11: Right.

Speaker 3: This is literally what was she wearing? Yep. In that situation, because it's ignoring the fact that it's like women get assaulted wearing normal clo like quote unquote normal clothing.

Mm-hmm. Right? That is not, it's, it's never a situation, right. Where the, the, uh, the, the, the premises, I'm sorry, I'm having trouble putting into words 'cause it's such a flawed, uh, premise that is [00:40:00] simply set on excusing. Harassment and assault. That's, that's the only benefit that comes from this.

Speaker 2: I a hundred percent agree that all of this is to justify and excuse bad behavior from men and gyms.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Because there's no other explanation. I think men don't, and you know, maybe men don't like the fact that they aren't in control in a sense. Like maybe they don't like that they're fantasizing about women and talking about casting couches. Mm-hmm. While they're trying to work out Okay. Then do better.

Mm-hmm. Then don't look at her. Then stop fixing on her. How about you do your own workout? Mm-hmm. I think it's much more terrifying to be just working out and having a man you don't know.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Fantasizing about a casting couch while you're working out, like the leg press. Like is she bent over? Is that what we're talking about?

Like which type of leg? Breast, but like. You are sexualizing women working out. Mm-hmm. While men, I have no doubt are not being sexualized in the way that women are.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: The [00:41:00] problem there is the person sexualizing the activity because if it's not sexual and you do it, why is it suddenly sexual when she does?

Mm-hmm. Because you see her as a sexual object

Speaker 3: and nothing more so, and nothing more. That's it. That's the key. Right. When you, when you have already. Uh, classified a woman's body as solely something. And it goes back to the idea of that men don't like women, right? Mm-hmm. When, when the only thing you appreciate about a woman is her physical appearance, right?

When you, when you have only look at her for when you are, are, uh. Seeking sexual gratification, then no matter what they're wearing in that situation, you're already looking 'em at 'em a certain way. And so your assumption must be, because I view them as, as, uh, a sexual object and they're not wearing clothing.

They know what they're at. They're getting themself into, they know what the men are gonna be seeking in that situation.

Speaker 2: And this again, is the foot in the door of misogyny. We have these arguments that go viral that are just a, a [00:42:00] palatable version of horrifying ideas.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: And this is the palatable version of the horrifying truth of women.

You need to control what you're wearing when you are in male spaces, because if you don't, men are going to have sexual thoughts for you. They're gonna have desires. They may act on those desires, then that would be your fault. But it is your job at the end of the day. To control men's desires.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: That is a horrifying thing that we do to women that messes with their psyche, which then means when something bad happens, since you were in control of the desire, you are then responsible for the assault.

Mm-hmm. And that's what we're telling women, and this is a palatable version and maybe a version that people can kind of get with like, uh, yeah. Well, I don't think women should go in their undies. They're not going in their underwear.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: They're going in a sports bra potentially. But that is the piece of clothing that women have to wear to work out.

Speaker 3: But also, like I, I know plenty of men that go there [00:43:00] specifically to show off their physique. Right? They're not, oh, you know, they're, they're the grunters. Yeah. They, it's, that's the whole, if there is a woman that wants to go there to show off something, she worked hard at, you know, that she's like, she has this body that she has clearly put way more effort into the, than I've ever put anything in my life.

Right. That, that, and same with the men that are doing it, that that's part of like. The you, you should be able to show that off without fear of being assaulted or harassed. Exactly right. You should be able to be in that situation where your body can exist as something that you are proud of, that you've worked on, that you have used and can exist.

In a space that is designed for sculpting a body. Right, because men will admire other men's bodies at the gym. Oh yeah. They will look at their muscles, they will admire their legs and their abs, and, and, but because they have not classified those other men as solely for sexual gratification, it's okay.

Yep. That's not the distraction they're worried about in that situation. And so I, I don't, I wanna make sure, [00:44:00] like, and I know you weren't doing this, uh, obviously, but, and, but I wanna make sure I wasn't coming across like I was shaming anyone that does go off there. Proud of how they look and wanting to show off their body that they've worked.

That's also an acceptable thing in a space like that.

Speaker 2: A hundred percent. But that again, is not sexual in nature.

Speaker 3: It's not that, and that's the point I'm making. Yeah, yeah. There

Speaker 2: and in fact, that is a prime aspect of going to the gym. Mm-hmm. People do want to go to show off their muscles to be in the culture.

Mm-hmm. Of looking good, caring about your physique, to be around like-minded people. But when it's women, all of a sudden we wanna attach sexuality to it, and then in the same breath we attach morality to it.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: We make her feel like she's being immoral, that she's being lustful, that she's being seductive, that she is being a bad woman by tempting these men.

And even in the case of the video we just watched, she's taking it another step. It's not, it's not enough to just make women feel bad about what they're wearing. We need to make them feel bad [00:45:00] about the crimes that could happen to another man, lest we forget the crimes that do happen to women. Mm-hmm.

Because the hypothetical crime that could happen to a man is so much more important to think about than the actual crimes that happen to women all the time.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: A hypothetical consequence. Two, A man is more important than the reality of actual assaults to women. Mm-hmm. We should focus on that. That is the problem.

Mm-hmm. And women are the cause of that.

Speaker 3: And the only problem, right, yep. Is, is the way it's being framed. That's what we need to forget everything else. This is what we need to focus on, uh, in our, in our society is like, how is, how, how is you existing in your body harming me as a man? That's the problem.

Speaker 2: And, and this is how we devalue and we degrade women because we take actual issues and we make them seem ridiculous. Like a woman wanting equality in the gym, a woman wanting to just work out with being, without being sexualized mm-hmm. To work out in the most comfortable attire for her. We make that [00:46:00] into the argument of women just wanna be naked in the gym.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: No, that's not it. And to, to call it that is, so, it's just, it's so insulting. And it also takes away from what's like. Since the dawning of time, whatever group is in power has always done that, has made, mm-hmm. Has made whatever group they're oppressing look ridiculous and silly and foolish and crazy.

Mm-hmm. Because that's if you can make, if you can make people see a certain group that way, then you can make them not care about what happens to them. If women are just crazy and exaggerating, like she's saying here, women just make up that they're being harassed. If we get that narrative out there, then when a woman actually is harassed mm-hmm.

People will glom onto, oh, well, that she told us, he told us this would happen. Mm-hmm. They

Speaker 3: warned us about this.

Speaker 2: It's not just, uh, something that happens like it's literally on purpose.

Speaker 3: Like

Speaker 2: making it seem ridiculous is absolutely essential and on [00:47:00] purpose.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: To not, to having women not be listened to, to having women's issues be disregarded.

We're seeing that on, on mass at a crazy scale in our government right now, where women's issues are cast aside as being ridiculous, meaningless and not important. And it's this type of behavior and this type of rhetoric and this type of pandering that does that. Like a woman saying, oh women, you're just going to do a false accusation.

'cause you want men to stare at you. Stop with the double standard. And that

Speaker 3: bleeds into other areas of our life. Right? Yeah. When, when it comes to, we, you mentioned in like, uh, or me, women's medical issues. Mm-hmm. Right? They're not taking as seriously there. Right. Because they're exaggerating. Right. When it's men, we need to focus on right.

When, when there's all of these different crises happening in our society, right. If it's not centered on men, they get ignored. Right. We don't, we don't actually do anything about it, and so that's why even something as seemingly. Isolated as what you wear to the gym mm-hmm. Is [00:48:00] reflective of much bigger societal, structural issues at play that are just in this situation being discussed in a space, uh, that's being threatened, quote unquote, uh, to be to from, from being taken away, uh, from men being the sole being their space.

Speaker 2: A hundred percent. And like even in the first video he talked about, we're talking about this when there's institutional racism and like. Mm. Imperialism and all these other things, and it's like, absolutely, racism is a huge issue that we need to work on, but

Speaker 10: mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: But again, he's framing the issue as women wanting to be naked in the gym.

Speaker 3: Also that part confused me a little bit. 'cause I was like, yeah, you're right. Why are we arguing about this right now when there's so many bigger things in our society? Why are we screaming at women for how they're dressing when there are such bigger issues in our society?

Speaker 2: But that's the centering of himself.

Yeah. 'cause he's saying, my way is the right way and you guys are going to be naked. Is. Stupid. Mm-hmm. Rather than women [00:49:00] just want equal rights and respect. Mm-hmm. And to not be sexualized everywhere they go.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Which once again, is a bigger, this is one of those bigger issues. This is the symptom

Speaker 2: of a bigger disease and the disease is misogyny and sexism.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: But they cast it aside like, this doesn't matter. My stuff matters. And it's like, absolutely institutional racism, ma matters, but there's also intersectionality because mm-hmm. Guess what? There are many women of color and. Actually a lot of times more so who are sexualized. Mm-hmm. 100%. And you see that all, there's so many, there are so many creators, black creators and other women of color that come on and talk about it, but the sexual, the sexualization of them just in existing God.

Mm-hmm. If they're in a sports bra, I can't imagine. You know what I mean? It's like mm-hmm. All of these have value in merit, but you are, you are purposefully making this look stupid and silly. And that's because of the intentional way both of them framed it. Mm-hmm. It's not about women wanting to be naked, it's about women wanting autonomy over the way [00:50:00] that over their own existence, their own bodies and what they wear.

I mean, what do, uh, misogynistic, patriarchal regimes do? Mm-hmm.

Speaker 10: First,

Speaker 2: when wanting to control women on a mass scale, they try to control what they're allowed to wear in public.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: You see that like in Afghanistan, we're like, where the Taliban is in power. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: I do. I've done a lot of maternity photo shoots right.

Over the, and it's, uh, I think there's one thing that's always fascinating to me is that's the one, and it's always, at least in my experience with them, they've, they've talked about being a very empowering, wonderful, like gr, good experience, positive experience. And part of it is it's the one time our society is allows women.

To be, to show off their body without feeling, without it being a sexualized thing,

Speaker 2: except when they breastfeed. 'cause then that's sexual again. But

Speaker 3: in, in that situation, I guess theoretically you're right. 'cause you're right, men will sexualize anything. Um, but the anything but it, but it's like a woman can be, you know, it could be a [00:51:00] nude maternity shoot that is not a sexual shoot, but she's allowed to do the quote, unquote, allowed societally to do that shoot.

Mm-hmm. Because it's about motherhood. Right. She's providing a service to men. She's providing a service saying, she, we are appreciating that this is, this is motherhood, not that, but if you, if she was not pregnant and taking those exact same photos, she'd be shamed. Right? She'd be looked at. Just say, oh, you're, you're, you're creating pornography, right?

This is, why are, why are you taking these photos? Yeah. Why are you showing off your body? You should be covering that up, right? But it's this one situation that where you, you find these, these exceptions, these times when you're allowed to actually. Love yourself. Right? And to be proud of who you are in your, in your body, and the fact that, in that situation mm-hmm.

You're, you're, you're creating a life. But in, just in general, you should be proud of whatever it is about you. It's like the idea of pro-sex feminism too, of just, you should, you should be allowed to have ownership of your body without being deemed as the, as as your body. Only serving the purpose of being for the gaze of men, for the eyes [00:52:00] of men, consum of somebody else consuming who you are in that situation.

Speaker 2: I like that you bring up the point of like exceptions, you know? Mm-hmm. Because in this case, like they weaponize the exception.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: And disregard the rule.

Speaker 10: Right.

Speaker 2: And it's crazy because they're already taking this, this really small issue that mm-hmm. Is not in, in general, they, they are per, they're perverting an issue.

Mm-hmm. Like the actual issue is women being told what they can and cannot wear and being sexualized. They have flipped that already and taken it to the extreme. So the argument then is well. You know, it's what women wear to the gym is hurting men or distracting men, or making men uncomfortable, and then they even make it more extreme.

So they take that issue and stretch it out even further to then turn it into, women wanna be naked in the gym.

Speaker 10: Right?

Speaker 2: And then they get people who. Are of that belief system anyways, already want to control women and what they wear [00:53:00] and they jump on this issue because they've made it such an extreme that again, like I said, it's palatable in some ways, in some senses, where people will say, well, yeah, women shouldn't be naked at the gym, women aren't naked at the gym.

That's not what's happening. Mm-hmm. And we have to keep our eyes out for these, for the ways that people manipulate mm-hmm. Topics. Mm-hmm. To make them more palatable for you to believe the wrong side. Mm-hmm. For you to believe the, uh, more the immoral side, the, the oppressive, the side of the oppressor mm-hmm.

Is we get these extreme situations and we act like they're the rule when they're actually the exception. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: They act like, I think the reason they think, I think it's a bigger issue in their mind. Mm-hmm. Because that's who they're staring at when they're at the gym, they are doing, you know what I mean?

Yeah. Are, are there some individ men and women, like, there are always people at the gym that are not wearing a lot of clothing. Mm-hmm. Right? For, for any number of reasons, uh, that are there. But, you know, if you're, if you're. Only, you know, [00:54:00] continually, like, don't look at her. I can't enjoy my workout. Oh, she's bending over.

Like if that's, that's a fucking you problem.

Speaker 11: Yeah,

Speaker 3: bro. Right? That that's what you need to be aware of, that that is something you need to work on and unpack why you can't be around somebody else in that situation without it making you so uncomfortable that you can't enjoy your experience at the gym

Speaker 2: if you are so out of control.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: With your own like desires that you can't see a woman in a sports bra working out, that it doesn't completely consume your entire workout, that it frustrates you to the point that you go home and get on your phone and scream about it.

Speaker 3: Don't go to the beach. By the way,

Speaker 2: there's a thing called beaches run, but it's just like, then you are unhinged, then you are out of control.

Then you need to work on that. Mm-hmm. That is a you problem. That is not normal.

Speaker 10: I

Speaker 2: don't care how many men are having that issue. If that is [00:55:00] such a problem that you literally, your mind is overrun by these, your desiring thoughts or your anger or whatever it is.

Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: You might need a therapist. Mm-hmm.

You might need to talk to someone. You might need to think about why you are sexualizing women to this degree.

Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: For existing. I have no doubts that this has to do with people's porn addictions as well. I think just mm-hmm. In general, like, like, ooh, woman in the gym, she's working out. She must want me like

Speaker 10: mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: No dude. She just wants to like work out and pretend you're not there. Right. Like, I guarantee you, as much as you are trying to avert your eyes, women avert their eyes are from you. Mm-hmm. Because they don't wanna interact with you.

Speaker 3: Reagan. It's not a porn addiction. It's a porn hobby. Remember? Oh, it's a

Speaker 2: porn hobby.

Excuse me, Jesus. Oh man. On

Speaker 3: that note. I think we are, uh, we're we, we, we've discussed this, this issue that is apparently all over social [00:56:00] media that I didn't know it was existed right now. That you had no idea. Yeah. Now I'm gonna see it. Now it's gonna start popping up and I'm gonna see all the videos.

Speaker 5: Yeah.

Yep. God, do we have any, uh, would you

Speaker 2: rather us today, or,

Speaker 3: uh, are we done? Would you rather end the show or have me late to pick up my daughter?

Speaker 2: I would rather end the show.

Speaker 3: Alright,

Speaker 2: because I love your children. Okay, well friends, I do thank you for listening. This was a bit horrifying, uh, and where whatever the hell you want to the gym, as long as it's within the, uh, dress code.

Speaker 3: Bye. Love you.

Speaker 2: Love you. Bye bye.