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Hannah: Welcome to Stoma and Continence Conversations from Coloplast Professional.

Where healthcare professionals and experts by experience discuss the latest

hot topics in the worlds of stoma, continence, care, and specialist practice.

I am Hannah Patterson.

I've worked in Specialist care and I'm currently the Ostomy Care Associate

Education Manager at Coloplast.

This time we're talking about traveling with intimate healthcare needs,

Fran: order catheters, order medication kind of becomes one of the tick boxes,

and I like to like prepare everything.

They brought in body scanners at Air Airport, a lot of the UK airports

where you stand and get scanned and that nearly always picks up a.

It's never put me offline.

I've had probably a full range of experiences of people from people

wanting to really see it in private to it not even coming up on the

scanner, to just being patted down, and it's just one of those things.

Hannah: Hello and welcome to the podcast.

This time I'm joined by, I always say a very special guest, but

this one is really quite exciting.

I am joined by Paralympic silver medalist, Fran Brown.

Hi Fran.

Hi.

Does that get old yet here in that Paralympic silver medal list?

Oh, no.

I don't think it ever will.

Well, first of all, huge congratulations from myself and all at Coloplast

from last year with your fantastic silver medal at Paris and.

Yeah, you were just incredible.

Anyone that hasn't seen it, I suggest you get on YouTube or something

like that and have a look at France.

She was an absolute rock star.

And not only did you win silver at the Paralympics, what

did you then mind should do?

Two weeks later, I defended my world's title.

Fran: So yeah, won Gold of the World Championships, so it was good year,

Hannah: all in a.

Massive thank you and massive congratulations for joining me.

Again.

I can't even imagine how hectic your schedule is at the moment

with everything going on.

But obviously the main reason we are here today, it's to talk about traveling

with intimate healthcare needs.

Uh, if you could just let the listeners know from what your

intimate healthcare needs are.

Fran: Yeah, so I've got a spinal cord injury, um, and as a result

of that, I self catheterize.

And then I also have a ileostomy, um, but that's from Crohn's, not

due to my spinal cord injury.

So just to complicate matters, the double whammy of self catheterization

and a stoma and traveling around the world all the time.

Hannah: And it doesn't get much more complicated than that really does it?

No, it's fairly challenging, but obviously this is why you

were the perfect candidate.

And I think when I asked you if you, if you could record this for me, I said,

you are top of my wishlist for this because you don't just travel, but.

You travel to compete, you travel to train, do, do you manage to travel for any

holidays at all, at any point in between?

Fran: Yeah.

Holidays.

Holidays occur.

I even went on a cruise last year, which was, um, after the, after the worlds,

which was an experience, but yeah.

Yeah.

Holidays do occur as well.

Hannah: I bet.

Sometimes you feel like you spend more time away than at home, don't you?

Fran: I think actually last year I did, I think last year it worked out.

I spent more weeks away than I did at home, but this year's a little quieter.

Not without travel still, but at least a little bias.

So I think the game here is always manic.

Hannah: Yeah, I can imagine.

I can imagine as obviously there's a fair few impacts not just on

traveling with the intimate healthcare needs, but we'll go into that later.

But even I'm thinking more logistically that you are often away from weeks and

sometimes even I imagine months at a time.

How does that impact when it comes to taking your supplies,

you, your, or your ordering?

You're actually physically taking them.

Fran: So ordering, you just have to plan really like quite far in advance.

I'm really lucky I have a really amenable GP who will prescribe kind

of double supplies if I know I'm gonna be away when I miss a normal delivery.

So I can get like two months at once and then not order for two months.

I don't always do that, but if I know I'm gonna be away when an order

would be due or I need more supplies.

Yeah, like just adding it to the tick list of things I need to do when I plan a drip.

Like get your euros, get your currency, get whatever, um, order.

So supplies, order, order catheters, order medication kind

of becomes one of the tick boxes.

And I like to like prepare everything.

So logistically I like to take everything out the packaging.

So no cardboard, no.

I don't take extra extraneous stuff, so I'll like double up my base plates

for my stoma bag together so they don't wrinkle and they're like protected

and then put them in like a Ziploc big bag thing so they stay flat.

Um, catheters don't take in a box because you just don't need the cardboard.

The only thing to take in a box is medication because sometimes

you need the original box.

Yeah.

But it's just, yeah, like trying to work out how to carry it all on a

plane can, when you're going for a few, couple of weeks, no problem at all.

Hand luggage, no issue.

I would say always put stuff that you definitely need in your hand luggage.

So like at least the minimum supplies that you think you're gonna need.

Plus a couple of spares are always put in my hand luggage, because obviously

if your bag goes missing, yeah, you'd like to think the airline gets

it to you within a couple of days, but there's always a chance I feel

that, you know, I never see it again and it would rather trip at least.

Then you've got, you've got enough, so supplies or S or whatever.

I sometimes put if I'm taking spares or like extra, because I know I

ride with slightly different bags than I wear when I'm not riding.

I might put those in my whole baggage to save some hand luggage space.

But the minimums, if I go for a really long camp, like I've been

away for one, two months before, I've sometimes posted supplies by like

UPS to where I'm gonna be staying.

Oh.

Um, and just in advance.

And then phone up and just make sure they got there.

So I'll phone the hotel and be like, or email the hotel and be like, look,

if, is it okay if I post a box of medical supplies to you in advance?

Do it a couple of weeks in advance.

So there's time that obviously if it then went missing, you need to replace it.

Hannah: Yeah.

Fran: So give yourself a buffer, post it to them and just get it there that way.

So I've done that before for when it's been a lot, like I did

two months in the States and it was like, Ugh, how do I send.

Two months applies to America without paying for an extra bag that then

may get lost because you can only take so many hand luggage bags.

Yeah, some airlines will give you an extra bag for medical supplies.

Just phone them up and speak to special assistants.

I've had, I hit and miss with that.

Sometimes they're great, like sometimes they're not, and it's sometimes the same.

Airlines are great and sometimes the same airlines not, but it's always worth a try.

I've paid for extra hand baggage before as well.

So if I've just had an undereat bag, I've paid for overhead, like a

bag to go in the overhead bin just for the sake of having the supplies

with me and the peace of mind.

It's generally not super expensive, but yeah, it's just something

to consider if you're trying to go minimalist on a holiday.

Like I tried to do it, I went, I went to France last year on

a trip in the after the game.

I wanted to travel just a

Hannah: I You went on a quite a big trip to France last year.

Fran: Yeah, this was a one, how do I do a week?

Just a backpack with the medical stuff, and it was kind like this.

Cabin sized bag.

So I then took a personal item bag and just filled that with my medical supplies.

I was like, ah, there we go.

Um, so it is doable, but it's um, sometimes a compromise, but for a couple

of weeks holiday, no problem at all.

Hannah: I bet you are queen of the, uh, micro packing, aren't you?

When the rest of your wardrobe, I bet you can pack the rest of your wardrobe into

like a little tiny bag now, can't you?

Fran: Yeah, you have to work out what goes where and like how small

can you roll, roll your clothes, not fold your clothes and all of that.

But yeah, it's doable.

It's just, um, yeah, it can be a little bit stressful organizing it, just

making sure like you get, I just say to it far enough in advance that you

know, you've got the supplies coming.

'cause there's nothing worse than thinking, oh, I've given

it two weeks, it's fine.

That's loads of time to get my order.

My order normally comes within 48 hours and they're discovering

the bags you use out stock.

Hannah: Yep.

Fran: And then there may be an alternative, but then it's

another prescription and.

Yeah, so just giving yourself a buffer so that the time around

travel is not stressful, is helpful.

Yeah.

Really good advice there.

Oh, when I was first injured, I were, and first traveled, I thought

my catheters counted in liquids rule because they have liquid in them.

Like the lubricant in them.

Yes.

And I was like, oh, I wonder if I should put these in the liquids bag with, you

know, like hundred bag of, turns out you don't need, you don't need to do that.

Same with adhesive removal, wipes, ad spray, you would, but wipes you don't.

Yeah.

Security are fine with that kind of thing.

But just being aware that then at the airport they may

be like, what's in your bag?

Like, I've had my bag two times and then being just wanting to look, it's fine.

Just getting medical supplies like, yeah, no problem.

I've never had a problem at an airport at security with my supplies at all.

Hannah: That's really good to hear.

That's really good, especially with.

I say you're, you're a frequent flyer, I suppose, as well.

So the fact that you've not had any issues at that point is a really positive sign.

How about flying itself?

How's that with your stoma and your catheterization?

Fran: So I say I've had no issues.

Security is interesting with the stoma, so supplies are fine.

They just go through the scanner.

Sometimes they might be like, what's this?

Pull your bag.

But normally that's 'cause I've forgotten that I've left something like my keys

in it and I've got a radar key, which the one thing that gets pulled up

quite frequently by the scanners is my radar key because it's really big.

Really?

And I think they think it looks like an offensive weapon.

Yeah.

The number of times I've bagged, pulled and they pull it out and

they're like, oh, okay, off you go.

But um, also like.

Going on a cruise.

I went on a cruise and realized that the cruise line didn't allow scissors.

Any scissors, medical scissors, no scissors.

Like you had to get a certificate to get a pair of like even So I precut all my bags

and then just didn't take the scissors.

That was an interest.

That was the first time I come across that one.

But yeah, going through security yourself, I often, with the new body

scanners, until they brought in the new body scanners, I used to be able

to actually just walk through and most of the time I would just walk through.

The metal detector bit and it would be absolutely fine.

I wouldn't get patted down or anything.

Um, I wear leg braces, but they're carbon on fiber so

they don't set off the scanner.

Sometimes they actually take shoes off then that's a problem for me

because I can't walk without my braces.

So, but it's fine.

They'll just swab them and pat you down no problem.

Maybe run the one thingy of you.

I've had a couple of occasions recently 'cause I've dish in the last kind of year.

They've brought in body scanners at airport, a lot of the UK airports where

you stand and get scanned and that nearly always picks up a stoma bag.

It often also picks up my braces, so I know I, one out

of two I'm gonna get pulled.

So I always, when I go to stand in it, I mention to the person who's

always stood on the other side, look.

I just say, look, I've got a stoma and sort leg braces, and they still scan

you, but then they're expecting to see something on the screen, so then they

just, they normally just pull you aside.

And say, can we pat you down?

Which they do.

Like, they'll just touch over your clothes.

Like sometimes they'll swab my leg braces.

A couple of times I've had them say, can we see your stoma bag?

Which they'll offer to take you to a private room if you want.

I'm just like, you'll normally sit to the side and I'm the kind of person

that'll just be like, nah, here, you fine.

It just pull, put it kind.

So like the bottom of it basically.

And just like, then you touch it with your hands and they've swabbed, swabbed

my hands before and then put it through their like, I guess drugs detection thing.

Um, I've heard a few horror stories of people being asked what's in the

bag, and I've always joked that I'm like, well, you can see if you want.

I've never had that a little bit closer look, but I can see why.

If you're somebody that doesn't feel comfortable showing your bag in public,

then ask to go to the private room.

I think attitudes are changing in airports.

Like sometimes they have been a bit not very nice about it in the past or you

felt like you're the vic, like you're being not victimized, but, um, you are

under suspicion until you prove otherwise.

Really?

Yeah.

I'm just always at the attitude that like, they're just doing their job.

They just wanna check that there's nothing dodgy and I'm quite happy to show them.

But again, when I did it in the, I got pulled in the UAE in Abu Dhabi and

obviously there you can't show your.

In public.

Yeah.

So they take you to a little room.

Anywhere you don't get a choice and it's fine.

They're just nice.

They're nice about it normally, as long as you are nice about it as well,

and you understand that it's sucky, but at the same time it's one of those

six, they're just doing their job.

What I don't like is when they make you leave your stuff and then they take

you, 'cause then you're like, put my passport on my wallet and my phone.

Everything is there.

But like, like you say, normally I, if I have to, I'll just show them by the side.

Kind of my back turns, you know, the passengers.

So again, it's thinking about what you wear.

Like at that point I wouldn't have a support belt on over the top of

it because if I was, that would be really hard to then show them it.

It's never put me off flying.

I've had probably a full range of experiences of, from people wanting

to really see it in private to people, to it not even coming off on the

scanner, to just being patted down.

And it's just one of those things, it's not pleasant, but at the same time,

the person who has a walking stick still has to also get patted down.

So.

Thank everybody.

I'd rather the plane was safe.

Absolutely.

And then, yeah, actually flying once you're on the flight, well, flying's

really dehydrating, so I always make sure I take, I get a bottle of water

before I get on the flight, or I take a bottle and fill it up actually

to pay for airport water extortion.

And I try and take like a liter bottle and drink that on a flight with some, and

I put, put some hydration tablets in it.

Normally like just electrolyte tablets because flying is really

dehydrating for everybody.

And then you add in a stoner on top of that.

I always try and empty my bag before I get on the flight.

And I categorize before I get on the flight.

'cause if it's a shortish like four hour flight, I can then get away with not

having to catheterize till I land again.

Yeah.

Because airplane toilets are not the cleanest and not the big.

They're just fiddly and

Hannah: not the most spatially convenient, are they?

No.

And when you are having to deal with something other than normal, it Yeah.

Yeah.

It's

Fran: just awkward.

But I can do it.

I've done long haul flights where I've had to categorize on the flight.

I've also changed my bag on a flight when I. Um, I thought I had a leak.

I didn't have a leak, but I wanted peace of mind.

I decided to change my bag and it was fine.

Like you just put your things on the side by the sink and like for me it

was no problem, but I'd carry out them with the fact that I'm quite small.

So airplane bathrooms proportionately don't feel quite so tiny to me.

They would not, bigger planes normally have an accessible bathroom.

Now that's like a bit bigger.

It's not truly accessible, but it's bigger space wise.

So if you're somebody that's flying long haul and you wanted to change your

bag with a bit more space to kind of move your arms about and stuff ask,

which is the accessible bathroom, um, it just normally is just a bit

wider with a bigger door, but it just gives you a bit, that bit more space.

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Fran: When I first flew in my Sew Bagg, I was convinced it was gonna blow up

like a packet of across, you know, this packet across everybody thinks, isn't it?

It puffs up.

I was like, my bag's gonna do that.

It doesn't, and I even tape over the filter stickers

sometimes, and it still doesn't.

So the reassurance there is.

It doesn't.

Yeah, I don't really have any problems.

I find with the pressure changes of flying, even a short flight, my

stoma doesn't really do much when I'm on a flight, but when I come

back down, I get quite a lot of gas and then my stoma will wake up.

So it's just knowing that when I land, I probably wanna use the bathroom in

the airport before I leave the airport.

If I've then got a transfer.

But again, that's probably personal depending on what, how your stoma reacts.

Like my idio ostomy will slow down when I'm on a flight, but then pick

up and almost double up when I land.

So it's just predicting that in a way.

But yeah, like it's not a problem.

Like airplane food is airplane food.

Regardless if you don't think it's gonna work for you, take stuff with you.

I tend to avoid it and take stuff with me because I'm normally going to

a race or to train and I don't wanna get, not get sick, but I don't want

something that's gonna irritate my gut.

So I'll take some safe foods with me, go buy something in the airport

or take, bring something from home.

Um, but yeah, staying hydrated helps.

And yeah, generally it's fine.

Like I've not really had any.

Major issues.

Hannah: Do you ever use one of the travel certificates that has all

the different languages in to help with explanation when you're away?

Fran: I do.

I do.

And it is cra I found it really, really helpful.

I flew through China and uh, Chinese security.

They didn't like I had at the time.

I had a easy remove, like a spray.

Now I just exclusively use wipes 'cause it's easier for travel.

But I had a spray and they, they were like, no aerosols

don't care if it's medical.

No aerosols.

Wow.

Like no deodorant, no nothing.

And, um, even in the little liquids bag, and I had the certificate, which

it then meant at least they kind of knew what it was for, but it was still

a, no, you can't bring it through.

But they, they did read it and understand it.

So it is helpful to be able to say, is this, especially if they.

Stop pure security and they just don't understand what you're saying.

Hannah: Yeah.

Fran: Most European countries, no offense to Britain, are probably further along

with ostomy education than we are.

So Mo, you go to Spain and a lot of the airports on the continent will have stoma

specific toilets that have like a separate bit where you can empty your ostomy.

That's not the toilet.

And in airports.

So actually when you mention that as security, they're

just, they're all over it.

They know what it is.

Use ostomy, not stoma.

'cause often it's ostomy there not stoma and they'll understand.

But yeah, the travel certificate for when you're traveling to slightly more far

from places where the language barrier is likely to be more, is really helpful.

So yeah, I, I always carry that.

It lives with my passport.

Hannah: Yeah, I did so because I've got one for my internal pouch.

And Do you what Mine, well, I called mine my get out of jail free card because

what I didn't realize when I traveled to Greece, the certain medica, it's

very similar to the UAE, actually the, the certain prohibitive medications

there, which is opiate based medication.

And because I take codeine, I hadn't really, because I just

think of it as a normal thing here.

And I didn't realize that codeine was prohibited.

And I got pulled through security 'cause obviously it flagged up, but I showed

them my certificate and do you know what they could not get me through Then

quick enough it, it was almost like they felt guilty for even questioning

me at that point that oh gosh, you know, is there anything we can do?

And, but yeah, it is amazing.

The power of that certificate is incredible.

Fran: I think it's also probably really helpful if you have any

issues with supplies or anything and you just, you needed, you ran

out of something like a diesel wipes or something, something extra.

At least you could go to a pharmacy, show them it and be like, I have this.

Hannah: Yeah.

Fran: Can you help with this?

It's just, uh, the way that language barrier is so hard.

But yeah.

Checking your medications again, I know, uh, like coding's banned in

Tokyo, you have to get an import certificate to take it into Japan.

Hannah: Oh, wow.

Fran: So you have to apply in advance for an import certificate.

It's totally fine to get, you just have to apply in advance.

Otherwise they, they take it off you, which if you're

relying on it, is problematic.

So absolutely.

A lot of places it's easy as.

But yeah, like the travel certificate's.

Super helpful.

Yeah, taking extras just in cases like you never know, you might go somewhere

and it'd be hotter than it said.

You thought the temperature was gonna be, and therefore you might sweat more.

So you might need some spare bags, or you might be drinking more and need some

extra catheters, that kind of thing.

Or you never know, you might get UTI and having extra catheters in

that situation is really helpful.

And taking a few extra for the no extra days, because if you.

What people don't think about is the end of their trip.

If you get delayed on the way back, flight gets canceled, something happens,

volcano erupts, and there's no flights, you know that kind of jazz worth

taking kind of two, three days at least two, three days extra if not more, so

that you can, um, bear yourself out.

Hannah: I'm just, I know you mentioned that you had like an electrolyte

rehydration that you used on the plane.

Do you use those when you go away as well?

I'm thinking when you go, 'cause a lot of the time you're traveling, and

especially with your training, I know you do a lot of climate based training

where you're training in hotter climates.

Do you use those a lot then as well?

Fran: Yeah.

I use electrolytes for pretty much all my riding, so I'll always have it with me.

But if I'm going somewhere hot, I'll add it to my like everyday

what I'm drinking day to day rather than just drinking plain water.

It's far better for absorbing, yeah.

Absorbing the water then rather than not, because if you're sweating

more, you're gonna need more anyway.

And plain water will just go straight through you, especially

if you have an ileostomy.

Yep.

So, yeah, and it's some sort of electrolyte base, but drink is helpful.

Doesn't need to have loads of sugar in it.

Just a tiny bit of sodium, but, and a tiny bit of glucose.

But yeah, really helpful.

Hannah: Have you ever found that you've been in a situation where you've been

away and you've become very dehydrated?

Fran: Only around racing.

When it was, when I used to do triathlon, it was hard to drink during

races 'cause you're running and stuff.

So I got dehydrated during a race.

But otherwise, no.

But I, on the subject of that, I always travel with Diorite, Imodium, like

extras of everything in case I get a, you never know, something you might

eat or drink might upset your stomach.

And if you can avoid having to go to a hospital.

It's very easy for me to reach a tipping point of having to hit hospital

because my ileostomy will just kick off.

And then you can't keep up with hydration.

So making sure you have travel insurance or the E card or both, so that covers

where you're going, is really important.

That TRA and travel insurance that covers your disability.

Or your, like your stoma or whatever.

So my travel insurance has to cover the fact I have a spinal cord injury.

I catheterize, I get UTIs occasionally.

I have Crohn's, I have like a stoma.

Oh God.

My travel insurance has all of that listed.

So if I go to hospital because my ileostomies kicking off and

I'm dehydrated, they then pay.

Yeah.

And it costs me more in travel insurance, but it's super important to have it.

I'd say it's invaluable.

I'm

Hannah: really glad you mentioned that because I think it's something that a

lot of people, because of the costs, they do try and skip on it a bit, but you've

just hit that it, it's so, so important.

Fran: I think you use it once and you've probably saved in what it

would cost you to have to do it.

Um, and theres lots of people, lots of insurance out there,

so you just shop around and

Hannah: I presume you do yourself like an annual cover.

'cause the amount of time that you travel, it probably works out better

value for you to do an annual cover.

Fran: Yeah, I do annual cover, like annual multi trip cover because I travel so much.

And then, yeah, just making sure you've got the basics like

Imodium, if you catheterize and you have like backup antibiotics.

So I have some antibiotics that I have on standby that my GP gave me.

Okay.

If I think I'm getting A-U-T-I-I can take.

So they're really helpful.

I also carry with me some safe foods.

So like I know for me, marshmallows and jelly babies

will slow down my stoma output.

Yeah.

And so I will carry a bag of one or the other with me just in case.

It goes a bit wild, especially flying, like I haven't needed

it, but it's good to know.

Um, and I don't like, I don't normally use jelling sachets in my bag, but I'll

carry a few just in case, just in case.

It's good to have they reduce leaks just in case.

Little bits and pieces like that, really some extra tape, things

Hannah: like that.

The other thing I wanted to ask you is, because I'm just, you know, you've

already mentioned like places like Tokyo and China that you've been to.

There's obviously quite a big time difference there.

I want you to sort of think of both sides of things, so with not just

your stone, but your catheterized.

How do you then, because I, I know that.

It's hard enough when you go away normally to get your body clock to

adjust, but you are getting not just your personal body clock, but you're

getting your, like your stoma body clock.

'cause your stomas have their own little body clock.

I'm convinced they do.

They have their own little clock on the go.

Yeah.

How do you

Fran: cope with that side of things?

So categorizing is easy 'cause I categorize on a kind of three, four hourly

schedule depending on how much I'm drunk.

So I just keep going.

Like it doesn't really matter what hour it is where I'm going, as long as it's three

or four hours after I did before crack on.

Yeah.

I find, although I might set an alarm to categorize in the night if

I'm jet lagged and I know I'm gonna sleep in because I'm really tired.

'cause normally I'll wake myself up, but if I'm really tired, I might

set an alarm as it just in case.

From a stoma perspective, my stoma is a little gremlin and does what he wants.

He, he has a bit of a routine at home, but it sometimes changes,

like he's not that reliable.

So I, I am used to unpredictability, put it that way.

So trying to eat just like sensible foods that I know won't annoy him

while I am traveling is helpful.

And then adjusting to, I will just normally change my bag in

the morning if I'm not training.

So I'll still do that.

Even like, regardless of the time change, um, the one I would say that

takes more calculation is medication.

'cause I have some medication that's like, okay, I normally take this in the morning.

So if it's 24 hours, is it now I take it in the evening because the time zone's

changed and now morning would be evening.

So doing the maths on medication in advance Yeah.

Would be quite helpful.

So you don't accidentally either have too long a gap or double up

depending on which way you're flying, whether you're flying east or west.

So that take, that can take a bit of advanced planning.

I always find that's the one that I have to think about the most is, hold on.

Okay.

I, I'm flying like Japan way, so my morning medication will

become evening medication.

Hannah: Yeah.

If I'm

Fran: flying the other way, like towards the states, it goes, goes the other way.

Hannah: Which direction am I going?

So yeah, that kind of

Fran: stuff.

Hannah: But I love that tip of setting an alarm is absolutely

brilliant because it's something I always recommended to my patients

when I worked in the hospital was.

Set that alarm because if you are remotely jet lagged, you are

gonna sleep the, as much as your body clock normally notifies you.

You, if you are out for the count, you are, you're gone.

So just that little alarm can save you.

Fran: Yeah.

Nothing worse than like, and also like, I know some people would be

worried about like sleeping in a hotel bed, what happens if they have

an accident, that kind of thing.

So again, having the reassurance of like, well I know I'm gonna

wake up 'cause I'm set an alarm.

Yeah.

So I'm not gonna get a leak because it's gone.

Too long is, can help with that and things.

Um, but yeah, it's just useful.

I have a million of lives on my phone.

It's really helpful.

But yeah, when you're JetLine, you're definitely gonna see through it.

Hannah: Oh, Fran, I cannot take, thank you so much for joining me again.

And honestly, the amount of advice and tips that you've given there is just.

Incredible.

Well, and the way you you manage the way you do is is just amazing.

And I think really inspirational as well to listen to, because I say

you're not just traveling, having holidays, you're traveling, you're

training, you're competing and still managing stoma and catheterization

as well, which is just incredible.

Now before we finish, what, anything more on the agenda

this year, or is it this year?

A bit of a quieter year after the worlds and the Olympics last year.

Fran: So relatively quiet.

Yeah.

Um, I had some surgery on my legs, so I'm rehabbing.

I don't know if I'll be back in meeting this year or whether it'll

be next year, but no big deal.

It's not the worst year to miss.

If I don't race this year, it doesn't really mean anything.

And then I'm doing some physio bits and pieces, so some CPD and

stuff, so still traveling still.

And you never know.

I might actually have a holiday

Hannah: at some point.

Yeah, yeah.

Maybe.

Maybe throw, throw one of them in.

But honestly, Fran, it is been a pleasure to speak to you again and

again, huge congratulations on all your achievements from last year.

What you've achieved is just incredible.

It really, really is.

I think we're, we're all so proud to have you as part of The Coloplast family.

We really are.

No, thank you.

Thank you very much.

Brilliant.

So thanks again Fran, and thank you to everybody listening,

and we will see you next time.

Thank you for listening.

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