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Sarah Wayne Callies: [00:00:00] Uh, hi. Um, wow,

Paul Adelstein: that was intense.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Yeah. The ending of that episode was very intense. Uh, it was a lot. Yeah. A lot. Um, it was a lot. And again, that was one of the ones that I feel like I haven't seen before, but I don't know if that's true. We, um, thankfully we got to see more Maricruz and we have the wonderful Camille Gati with us.

Later this episode to talk about her time on prison break and how she got the role and the whole bunch of crazy shenanigans that happened. Um,

Paul Adelstein: so many [00:01:00] shenanigans.

Sarah Wayne Callies: So I'm excited about that.

Paul Adelstein: Yeah, me too. I'm fixing my camera real quick. Don't freak out. Okay.

Sarah Wayne Callies: It's okay. For guys, in case you haven't noticed, Paul is in a different place because he's on location shooting some stuff.

So I'm in a different place. And my technical, he's currently in, remember

Paul Adelstein: the technical shit that we can't do even at our own homes. Yeah. Now I'm doing it on the fly

Sarah Wayne Callies: in a hotel with wifi. You don't control

Paul Adelstein: with wifi, don't control.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Um,

Paul Adelstein: um, I'm excited about our conversation with Camille and I was very excited to talk about this episode, but let's jump into the, uh, index.

Should we index? Yeah, it's an

Sarah Wayne Callies: easy one this week, um, because it's a lot of returning stuff. So, uh, this is called Wash, episode two 18 is called Wash. It first aired February 26th, 2007. Um, it was directed Who by Bobby Roth, who as we mentioned before, directed more episodes of the show than anybody else.

Nick Santoro wrote it, one of our show's, main Writers and Against the Regular Competition in the 8:00 PM time slot. The episode drew 9.42 million live [00:02:00] viewers.

Paul Adelstein: Wow. Uh, the recap is less simple as we get into the final stretch of season two. Michael, Linc, and Sara listen to the recording they got from her father's private box at the Cigar Club.

They realized they need a lawyer, so Lincoln arranges a meeting with a lawyer affiliated with his father, Aldo, and they lead that leads Michael, uh, they need a lawyer affiliated with his father's with Aldo's group. And leads the lawyer to Michael. Meanwhile, Sara is approached by her father's associate, Bruce Bennett, who convinces her that he did not double cross her.

He does not work for the company. Together Sara and Bruce, Bruce locate the real lawyer and try to warn the brothers that they're being set up. Once Michael and Lincoln escape the fake lawyer, the legitimate one listens to the recording and informs them that its contents will not exonerate burrows, but can be useful to prosecute Reynolds.

So the brothers decide to blackmail Reynolds to secure a presidential pardon for [00:03:00] Lincoln. See, it's a very simple plan. Meanwhile, teabag assumes a fake identity after killing a shrink, played by Taylor Nichols and takes a plane to Mexico. Sucre and Maricruz are already there and arrive safely at his aunt's elsewhere.

Bellick convinces Monchre's cousin who failed to escape with them in season one to reveal Sucre's whereabouts. Piling on the nefarious intense posse, Kelman meets his sister and says goodbye to her set on killing the President. And when Sea Note fails to deliver, Michael Maho instructs Franklin to kill himself.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Um, by the way, as I'm listening to this, it occurs to me that we're at the point in the show where you cannot watch this out of order. Like just to drop yourself in the middle of this, you'd be like, what this episode would make? Not who's that guy? One lick of sense. Who's that guy? What's happening?

Paul Adelstein: How'd they get there?

Hundred percent.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Why are they mad at each other? Who's, how are they on a plane?

Paul Adelstein: How are, how are beek and teabag on a plane together?

Sarah Wayne Callies: That was such a delicious moment. Um, [00:04:00] uh, and we'll get to this too, but I love the scene with you and your sister so much. Okay. Um, moving on with our index in Civil Rights News.

Bad News for Anyone Being Detained in Guantanamo Bay. Uh, February 20th, the Military Commissions Act suspended the right to habeas corpus and barred anyone deemed an enemy combatant from access. To the US federal courts. This was a huge departure in policy towards those disdain detained and disdained tained by the United States.

It may not seem that way now, but this precedent was giant. And I remember all of my friends in the legal community absolutely losing their squash over it. Uh, some good civil rights news. On February 19th, uh, the Supreme Court of the United States decided Louis V. Harris making New Jersey, the third US state to offer civil unions to gay couples, including all the rights and responsibilities of heterosexual marriage.

Um,

Paul Adelstein: uh, on the Guantanamo thing, you can fight with your

Sarah Wayne Callies: spouse too.

Paul Adelstein: Yeah. On the Guantanamo [00:05:00] thing, just keep mine. Those people are still there. Stutter in DVD News, February 23rd. Mark Netflix's one, billionth home DVD delivery, which was a copy of the Fin Babel to a home in Texas. Remember, at the time, streaming was brand new technology.

Netflix had yet to develop a single original streaming show and every and in February 25th, future Netflix, DVD delivery titles completed. The in oh, competed in the 79th Academy Awards hosted by Ellen DeGeneres, Martin Scorsese. The departed won the night with four Oscars, including best director and best picture.

And we'll be right back to talk about the episode.

Sarah Wayne Callies: We are back. Uh, okay. A few things before we bring Camille on. A few things we wanted to talk about. Yeah. In the episode. In the episode. Um, can we start with that scene with your sister? Because we talk about this a lot, it is very hard to deliver a fully baked history [00:06:00] with, uh, no information. Yeah, I mean, did you, was it was just the episode before right?

Where you found out you had a sister on the show? Yeah, I

Paul Adelstein: believe so. Yeah. Um, I, uh, did not know Tina had, I

Sarah Wayne Callies: met Tina, Tina Holmes.

Paul Adelstein: Tina Holmes,

Sarah Wayne Callies: who,

Paul Adelstein: uh, turned out is a very close friend of a very close friend. And so I spent a lot of time with her socially, subsequently, but I don't think I knew her. And when I found out who was playing her, I was incredibly excited.

She's in a movie called Half Nelson, which is kind of the movie that I do. I know her, uh, broke Ryan, uh, Gosling, right. Ryan Gosling opened and she is incredible in that movie.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Yep.

Paul Adelstein: And I was like, oh my God. She's a real, real, um, real deal actor. And I was very excited that they got her to be my sister, and I enjoyed her very much.

I remember not being particularly happy with my work in the scene. Uh, you say that a lot. I, yeah. Fair enough. I probably do. I just mean [00:07:00] like, um. I'm happy that you working. Uh, uh, looking at it, it seemed, it seemed that connected, it seemed good. I dunno. Um, I, I will, uh, well, there's something,

Sarah Wayne Callies: she feels like such a little sister.

She's looking at you with this like

Paul Adelstein: Yeah, like totally. I also like how they shot it. Like I'm, I don't, I mean, I'm towering above her. I like that they didn't even us out. It's very

Sarah Wayne Callies: mm-hmm.

Paul Adelstein: Mm-hmm. Big sister, middle sister. And I think that works for it.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Yeah. No, no. There's, um, yeah, she's so just like looking up to you with so much trust and you, you also have a sense that, you know, because of what she does, like she's clearly in the nonprofit sector in some way.

And if I remember right, you brought in a bunch of CEH merch for the audience, for the office. That's right. I did. Oh my God. I remember that. Well, Bruce and I were shooting, or Wilbur, who played Bruce Bennett. Um, we were shooting later that day, and I remember coming in and you had just gotten me involved in CEH is a center for environmental health.

I think you were on the board then or something and Yeah, you [00:08:00] grew, you know, your childhood friend was the Michael Green who founded it. They do amazing environmental work. And, um, and I still have a, a tote bag that, like you had them bake up and it was so cool because it told this story about like, these two kids both grew up and are true believers in their causes.

Paul Adelstein: Yeah.

Sarah Wayne Callies: And one went into the military and one went into the sort of public sector, private sector, you know, like nonprofit world. Um, I don't know. I just, I loved it so much and I remember seeing a CEH mug on set. I was like, I remember, oh, you

Paul Adelstein: did it. They allowed us to litter the office with it. Um, but I, I, I remember reading the same thing and not.

And I thought, well that's, I like that piece of writing 'cause it shores up my belief that Kellerman was a true believer and that, you know, here's two people that maybe, well it's, it's not alluded to, it's confirmed that did not have happy upbringings or happy, [00:09:00] uh, you know, healthy parents who decided to try to better the world.

Although they obviously go about it in much different ways. I really like that, really like that as a family story. Um, I will presumably tell you that two, well, I don't know if they're funny things, but the scene on the roof where I'd kill the Secret Service guy, I'm walking up, I have the rifle strapped to my back and I remember talking to the director and being like, there's no, that gun with a silencer on it is huge.

And I didn't have an overcoat. And there was like, there's no way to put this anywhere.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Mm-hmm.

Paul Adelstein: Like, there's no way you could have it on your body basically without, it's not like

Sarah Wayne Callies: tucked into the strap with your pants. Yeah, yeah,

Paul Adelstein: yeah. It just doesn't, it would be like, I don't know. It'd just be weird. And the suit was very tight.

And they actually do have these secret service weapons that are built specifically [00:10:00] flats to hold under overcoats. Oh, wow. And other ones that are, sometimes I read this, that, that the guys have fake arms in their sleeves so that their hands can be on their gun at all times. Whoa. Yeah. Anyway, so what we decided to do when Bobby was, that's so what Okay with it was just like, yeah, just walk up to him.

We'll shoot that, and then when it's time to kill him, you'll just have the gun in your hand and just bring it out.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Just movie magic.

Paul Adelstein: Movie magic. Yeah.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Yeah. But then the other thing, where'd that come from? Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.

Paul Adelstein: Then the, it kind of means it's just that good. And then the other thing that was really, I remember calling my mom from up there, like in between setups and being like, okay, I'm watching a presidential motorcade.

I'm on a rooftop in Dallas.

Sarah Wayne Callies: In Dallas,

Paul Adelstein: and I can see the book Depository Building. You could see Daley [00:11:00] Deley Plaza across the way. No way. And I think that is weird. Did I, you could see where, where Kennedy, you could see where JFK was killed and where shooting a similar kind of story. Strange. Did it It was a strange movie.

Did I, I

Sarah Wayne Callies: tell you, the Jack Ruby story I

Paul Adelstein: might have. Yeah. Wait, yeah. Somebody you knew knew him or,

Sarah Wayne Callies: yeah, that, so the, the gym that we worked out at, uh, was Oh, yeah, yeah. He ran in there and Jack Ruby used to work out there. And after he shot Oswald. He came in there and people were like, what is Jack Ruby up to?

Like there, that kind of history because at least then the parts of downtown Dallas that we shot in were not big. And so like it felt like that history was ever present.

Paul Adelstein: Yes, I agree. I agree.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Kind of the way I think people who work in the financial district downtown in Manhattan are always

Paul Adelstein: Yeah.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Very close to ground zero.

Yeah. [00:12:00] And they just kind of go about it. But being an outsider walking around Dallas being like, wait, it was right there. And people are just

Paul Adelstein: driving by going somewhere and being like, holy shit is this Deley Plaza? And then being like, yeah. And first of all, you know, I can't believe it's just like a plaza and secondly it's tiny.

Yeah. You think it's gonna be this grand Uhhuh, you're used to seeing it portrayed in Zip Bruter film and all this stuff. You have no idea how little it is in person.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Mm-hmm.

Paul Adelstein: Very strange.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Yeah, it's really wild.

Paul Adelstein: Um. Should we get to, uh, Camille, since we have such a good, I

Sarah Wayne Callies: just have one. Yeah, yeah. Little story to throw your way beforehand.

And that was, I noticed my hair's in a ponytail the entire time. Oh yeah. Tell us. Yeah. Um, it's just that there was, so the guy who cut my hair short for the show, this guy named Daniel in LA the first time, uh, and I had gone back to do some press in Los Angeles with Wentworth and he was doing my hair for the press and he was like, do you want me to [00:13:00] trim this up?

And I was like, yeah, yeah, it should, you know, going back to shooting, blah, blah, blah, continuity. He goes, okay, whatever. He does not work on sets. He only does hair and makeup and stuff for like commercial editorial stuff and went with our chatting and whatever. And uh, you know, we're getting ready for this press thing.

And they turned me around and my hair's to here. And I was like, Daniel. And he goes, it looks great. I was like, Daniel. It's this much shorter than it was. What? And again, like I was not looking in a mirror. I was looking at Wentworth, he was cutting my hair. You know, Wentworth's not paying attention to my haircut.

We're having, we're just chatting like it, it's probably five in the morning. We're about to do a full day press. And I was like,

Paul Adelstein: oh my goodness.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Uh, and so I got on the phone and I was like, I'm gonna need extensions.

Paul Adelstein: Yeah.

Sarah Wayne Callies: And so we went and, you know, I mean, that much hair takes a [00:14:00] while to grow. Haircut was super cute.

Um, but, uh, yeah. So they had to put extensions in then the extensions looked like extensions. Yeah. Yeah. And so it was like, well, I guess my hair's gonna be up until it, like levels back out. But it was, it's one of those things that does not feel like a big deal unless you're in a show that like is in continuity hour by hour.

Um, and you're just like, oh, dear God. Yeah. Yeah, that was the hair. And also, if you remember, it had been a little bit of a thing that the hairstylist on set had been a little upset that the haircut had been done. And so I came back and she was like, oh. And

Paul Adelstein: he was like, man, you really did it.

Sarah Wayne Callies: So the guy who Uhhuh told you a fancy guy in LA told you f this up.

And I was like, he did it. I was so, oh wow. It was not a great moment. Not that it matters. Um, but, uh, yeah. Anyway, none of this matters more than talking to Camille. So let's, um, let's introduce Camille before we bring her on. You wanna, okay.

Paul Adelstein: Do you wanna do that? Yes. [00:15:00] Yes. Um, uh, the wonderful Camille Guie

Sarah Wayne Callies: gti.

Yeah.

Paul Adelstein: Yes. The wonderful Camille Guie. Um, she's been on far too many television shows and in too many films for us to mention. But a few, a few highlights include Las Vegas, a Scorpion, the Nine, and a Voice on one of Sarah's all time favorite shows, family guy. Um. She, of course, was the wonderful Mai Cruz, and we'll be right back to Doctor Stick around.

Sarah Wayne Callies: All right. We'll be right back with Camille. All right.

For years, I have been waiting to hear this story from you. So tell me how you came to Prison Break.

Camille Guaty: How did I come to Prison Break. Okay. So I remember getting this, I got an audition, you know? Mm-hmm. As one would, and it was probably one of the easiest, most comfortable auditions I have ever done where I just, you know, when you just feel it like it fits like a glove.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Yep.

Camille Guaty: Yep. [00:16:00] And next thing you know, I'm on a plane. I'm flying out to, uh, Chicago. So here I am. And I'm, I remember one of the first scenes I had to do was this like conjugal visit too, where I'm like, hi, I am Camille. It's like, Hey, I'm Amaury and you know, now I'm in my underwear. Let's make up, oh my God. Yeah. And um, I feel like that's, so

Sarah Wayne Callies: every actress has that story of like, meeting someone day one on set and they stick you in a, in a nude scene.

Yeah. Or not a nude scene. But

Camille Guaty: I do, not to digress, but one of the worst ones that I have was, um, it was for this pilot and it was me and oh my gosh, now I'm gonna, uh, a walk to remember, what's his name? A walk to remember. Oh, Shane. Shane West. Yeah, Shane West. Shane West. Is it Shane West? Yes, I think so. So it was me and Shane and it [00:17:00] was, first scene is a, like, I have to take my clothes off, but it was a pilot TV show, you know, so it's not like that.

But I have to take my clothes off and go skinny dipping and then make out in the pool. And I was like, wow, okay, here we go. And you kind of, here we go.

Sarah Wayne Callies: You kind of wanna looking back on it, turn to the people in charge of the schedule. And go, Hey, at least day two, like at least give them a scene lunch.

Give us a chance lunch to talk to each other, like to lunch. I know, it's, it's wild. 'cause it's so common. Anyway, okay, so it's day one. You shake hands with a Amaury, you're like, hi lingerie, make out my

Camille Guaty: God. Let's do this, let's do this Conjugal visit. You know, it's, it's, um, yeah, and it was him and I as well. I feel like that was an instant connection where, I mean, I actually, I loved us.

Like I, these two characters, I just kind of fell in love. We

Sarah Wayne Callies: all [00:18:00] loved you.

Camille Guaty: They were just so, he was, he played, he played the relationship with me, so endearing and so sweet and very childlike. And I was very young too. I, the had looked back, I'm like, oh, baby old, very young. It was like this innocent. Oh, God, I don't know.

I think I was probably 28 at the time.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Yeah. You guys had, I mean, first of all like I've got dimples. You've got dimples. There was a little bit of a, like when two Disney characters meet and they've got the same outfits on and you're like, oh, they're dusted for each other. Like, we we're wearing the same color palette, we have the same dimples.

Um, but there was a, an innocence mm-hmm. To like, there was so much cynicism between Sara and Michael. There was so much history between C Note and KC because they were married and they had a [00:19:00] kid. Mm-hmm. The like flush of it was like such a Romeo and Juliet kind of

Camille Guaty: you're right.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Thing with you guys.

Camille Guaty: Yeah.

I felt that, I definitely felt that it was. It was, I mean, it was, it was instant as well. I think there's, there hasn't been a role like that where instantly I felt connected on the page and then instantly I was, I connected with the other actor. Um, and just the, the way that the chemistry grew between the two and I, uh, between him and I was just, I mean, it was, it felt natural and it felt, it felt beautiful.

Like I wanted to have that love story, you know?

Sarah Wayne Callies: Yeah. A hundred percent. I'm like,

Camille Guaty: I want this love story. Mm-hmm. This is, this is what I want from my life. Um, I'll run away with you. Yes. Let's go have llamas. It's gonna be great. Yes.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Alpacas. That line was

Camille Guaty: so funny.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Alpac Sama. [00:20:00] That's what I said.

Camille Guaty: That's what I said.

Aamas.

Sarah Wayne Callies: It was adorable. Um, so you said it was instant. I mean, was there anything you guys did to kind of like. Fostered or you just sort of met and were like, oh, this is gonna take care of itself. We're just gonna lean in and relax.

Camille Guaty: Yeah. There wasn't, there wasn't anything that we did. I feel like him and I, uh, off camera are obviously we're not the same.

Um, but we, we do have a good rapport. We have a good, you know, friendship. But on screen there was this innocence that we both brought to it that, um, when you're watching it, you just, I don't know, for me, I wanna fall in, I fall in love with them. Mm-hmm. And like, they can do no wrong. You know? Um,

Sarah Wayne Callies: you root for them.

Like you root for no one else. You do. Yeah. Yeah.

Camille Guaty: Oh yeah. It's true. You're just

Sarah Wayne Callies: like, I want them to make it.

Camille Guaty: Yeah. It was, it was, it was very special. And to this day, I always say that that was one of my [00:21:00] most favorite roles to play. Um. Yeah. I mean, him and I got in more. We were, we would joke around a lot, you know, but that's because we, me as a person and him as a person mm-hmm.

Have, you know, we have our, you know, back and forth kind of rapport with each other, but it is nothing like Maricruz and, and Sucre.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Sure, sure, sure, sure. And actually, like, I adore Amaury, I adore Sucre. They are very different people.

Camille Guaty: Very different. Do you know what I mean?

Sarah Wayne Callies: And like, yes, every now and again, I'd hear about his weekend and then I would listen to him in his scenes and I was like, you are doing phenomenal acting.

You're with this phenomenal acting, you know, like falling in love. So innocent, innocent, so starry-eyed, like, um, yeah, that was really kind of cool. Um, okay, but the problem was that mm-hmm. Yeah. You worked yourself into more work. And so the relationship that we were all looking to [00:22:00] have in season two, mm-hmm.

You wanna refresh everybody about why there were so many phone calls between him and Yeah. Your cousin and my cousin and all the things. Yeah.

Camille Guaty: Auntie. Well, so I was hearing rumors first off that I was, they were potentially gonna tie me into season two as a series regular. Mm-hmm. This was a thing. And then towards the end of, or the middle or end, I don't know where, when it happened, but, uh, I, um, booked the series regular on an ABC show, which I absolutely love this show.

And I remember it was called The Nine. Mm-hmm. Um, oh yeah. It came, it came on actually right after Lost, which now I work with Josh Holloway. Mm-hmm. So, um, but it came on right after Lost, and we thought it was gonna be a huge hit. Like we absolutely loved it. The problem was, is that when you're a series regular on another show, it's [00:23:00] very difficult.

They don't share to be taken away and you can't, like I couldn't because this was a show where there were nine leads and mm-hmm. They, they started the episode shooting all nine characters at the same time. So we were, half of you were just shooting all day long with everybody, so I didn't really have much downtime.

So there now prison break is like, oh, we got a problem here. So they go to recast me. And they went to re recast

Sarah Wayne Callies: you after you were recast in the pilot?

Camille Guaty: Yes, and they recast a girl that I knew. I, I just realized you're probably gonna ask me her name and I can't remember her name. But, um, we had like a little like celebration party for her and, and she's in now Chicago.

Shooting or about to shoot rehearsing or something. [00:24:00] My show gets canceled.

Paul Adelstein: Oh my gosh.

Camille Guaty: She's, oh, I get a phone call saying, wow, uh, hey, prison Break wants you like now, like today, like, can you get on a plane and go to Chicago? And I was like, yeah, but wait, I know the girl who they just cast. Like what? Wait, Chicago or Dallas?

No, it wasn't Dallas yet. Was it da? Oh no, Dallas. 'cause Dallas, it was episode two because it was season two. It was season two. Okay. Um, yeah, this was, yes. So she, um, oh my, God's calling me saying they're sending me back. And I'm like, yeah. She's like, what's happening? She had no idea. I said, I'm so sorry, but my show got canceled and they've asked my care.

They've asked me to come back. So she had to come back. And then I

Paul Adelstein: Oh, poor woman. Meanwhile, we're

Camille Guaty: like, can you believe that? Yeah. [00:25:00]

Sarah Wayne Callies: Well, and also what's interesting, that means they waited the whole season pushing off, like, when are we gonna see Maricruz? When are we gonna see her? Mm-hmm. And then in the 11th hour.

Paul Adelstein: Yeah. Yeah.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Also, I mean, not for nothing. First of all, my heart breaks for her. I, I've, I've, I've been a part of so many stories like that where like, yes, you just take someone out to dinner to celebrate them coming onto the show and like on the, ugh, in the way home, on the ca I'm having Tita just from hearing this just story.

It's the worst. But, but also I do think the fans would've lost their natural minds if somebody else had shown up and just been like, this isn't days of our lives. Like, you can't tell us that this is the same woman. Um. Uh Oh. Crazy. 'cause that would've been, that

Camille Guaty: would've been the third

Sarah Wayne Callies: time. The third that they,

Paul Adelstein: the third Maricruz.

Yeah.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Also, clearly what they should have just done is put a ring on it. [00:26:00] Like they should have just made you a series regular in season two, two. I mean,

Camille Guaty: by that point I was like, come on guys.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Yeah.

Camille Guaty: But then I think the writer's strike happened. When did the writer's strike happen? Was that

Sarah Wayne Callies: season three Three.

Camille Guaty: Season three.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Because season three was only like 13 episodes. Because it was, it was a half season, right. Were you in three? I haven't seen three.

Camille Guaty: I don't think I was in three. I can't remember. After the writer. Uh, yeah, I think, I don't even know. I

Sarah Wayne Callies: gotta look it up. Wants to look it up. I think I looked this up when I was doing your, um,

Camille Guaty: I feel like I was in one episode

Sarah Wayne Callies: doing your bio.

I think you did the last couple episodes of season two and then that was it.

Camille Guaty: And that was it

Sarah Wayne Callies: for, but also forever, like did they talk to you about coming back for season five? Well, no, 'cause So then what

Camille Guaty: happened? There were new writers that came on. I remember Amaury was like, fighting for me to come back.

Yeah, good. And these new writers were like, we don't really care [00:27:00] about, like, whatever they, we don't care about the storyline or finishing it. And this is season five, I think they just had mm-hmm. And I never came back. It was, and I remember we all, we talked about it. We were like, you have to bring, he was like, I will dock my pay to bring her back.

Yeah. I mean, because it was his story, his whole reason, his whole story

Sarah Wayne Callies: for being in prison, wanting to get out, taking the risk. I mean it. Yes. Um, it's funny, as we've been rewatching epi season two and I wanna talk to him about this at some point, it's like, that must have been really hard being like, I have less, I have less of an arc here because the person who's supposed to be doing all this stuff with me wasn't.

Put under contract and Interesting. Oh, it's so strange. I think the show would've been so much stronger if there had been a consistent, like, yeah, every other episode or every episode. Like, [00:28:00] how are they getting to each other? How is this affecting her pregnancy? How is this like, there's, right. Um, it's such a missed opportunity.

And the, that's heartbreaking to hear about Season five too. You know, we, we were talking to Cynthia, um, just I think last week, uh, who played Casey, and it was a similar, like, she's like, Nope, nobody ever talked to me about season five. And I'm like,

Camille Guaty: I was like, I was so annoyed too. I didn't watch it. I was like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna watch it.

I was like, come on guys. Well, and there it's not even like, it's not like, oh yeah, I would love to do that. It's, it's. It's understanding what the show, what these storylines are, and giving the audience that payback, you know, for, for that. Give, give it to them. Yeah. And if this is, is what they want.

Sarah Wayne Callies: And if you add up the treatment of Cynthia, you and I and Jody Lynn mm-hmm.

And [00:29:00] deny what it tells you is that the story of prison break is that women are disposable. Do you know what I mean? Like ah, ah, yes. They didn't do that to the guys. They didn't No, they did not. Every single one of those female partners was, and I mean, and, and, um, oh my God. Veronica, help Paul, Robin, there we go.

Thank you, Robin. Robin 10. Yeah. Like, I mean, yeah. You know, just, there is, yes. Prison break kills a lot of people and a lot of them are meant too, but a and I. I'm probably gonna regret saying this, but the refusal to pay women on that show. Mm. Um, Jody Lynn was told, I've never said this publicly before. Jody Lynn was told in season four that the reason they were writing her off was that they couldn't afford both of us.

Camille Guaty: Wow.

Sarah Wayne Callies: And I knew how much less I was making than the men.

Paul Adelstein: Wow.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Wow. And I was like, sister, just so you know, that's [00:30:00] crazy easy. If I were making that kind of money, I would split it with you. Like, wow. No, no. Part of me, you know, I was like, there's not a six figure salary here that's taking you out of this, this equation.

Equation. Right. Wow. Wow. Um, and that's really too bad because I think so much of what the audience loved, do you know what I mean? Like, they care so much about suray getting to you. They care so much about c protecting his wife, they care so much like mm-hmm. Anyway, I will get off my soapbox. Um, I think maybe it would be done differently.

Today? I would. Oh,

Paul Adelstein: I would,

Sarah Wayne Callies: I would. Oh, for sure.

Camille Guaty: Do you know why I, well, I feel like, you know, somebody asked me, how does it feel today to be a woman in this industry? Um,

Paul Adelstein: mm.

Camille Guaty: And I, I said it, it's kind of exciting times right now for women. I don't think we're, you know, at the place that we wanna get to. [00:31:00] I said, but right now, like I was on a set, the duster, which is coming out on HBO mm-hmm.

Max, sorry, HBO Max. Um, but I have a female showrunner. I have a female female director. I have female cinematographer. It's, it's so different to be on set right now and to, not that it's bad to be surrounded by men, but it's really empowering and encouraging to be around a set of really powerful women that are doing what they set out to do in life.

And they're mastering it.

Paul Adelstein: Yeah. Mm.

Camille Guaty: And to sit there and have, um, you know, in this business of what we do, we have to have, we have to trust each other, and we have to be supportive of each other. And I'm in a room with these women that I, I trust and I, I love to bounce ideas off of. And it's, it's just a different environment than before.

I think, especially as a younger woman, I felt intimidated a [00:32:00] lot. Mm-hmm. I didn't have a voice. I didn't, I remember I would, you know, even in a hair and makeup chair, I didn't know how to say I didn't like what I, what they're doing.

Paul Adelstein: Right. Or,

Camille Guaty: you know, so my voice has definitely grown. My confidence has grown on set.

And when I'm in a room that I'm in now, I, I, I can, I can speak and I can feel confident and comfortable, where before I didn't at all. So,

Sarah Wayne Callies: and there being other women in that room is helpful. Mm-hmm. You know. I, yeah. It's easy to write off one person. Right. It's a little harder when there's someone else going.

I agree.

Camille Guaty: Yeah, I agree. And, and so now if Prison Break were to be here now with more, I feel like more women would be behind the scenes and not that that would change the trajectory of anything, but it may have.

Paul Adelstein: It certainly might. It might though. Yeah,

Sarah Wayne Callies: it might though. I mean, and I, [00:33:00] I think there, I think there might also have been a better understanding of why people watch the show, you know?

Mm. Like there was sort of this truism that like, action shows are for men and romantic drama, you know, like Desperate Housewives is for women and prison break is for men. And I think the farther away we've gotten from there as successive generations and Netflix and stuff have have tuned in, that's just not the case.

You know, I mean, women are drawn to the show as much as men are, and women don't hate seeing ourselves represented on tv. Like yeah, I think, you know,

Paul Adelstein: it's, I, I think that it's, as much as there's been a change behind the camera, the way that female characters are treated has also changed a lot, I think, in the discussion of all this.

Yeah. Both things were happening simultaneously. Obviously they're not unrelated, but, um mm-hmm. I think that that's certainly, I [00:34:00] mean, uh, Camille, that one of the things Sarah and I are so interested in is having this discussion over and over again with each other and with different guests about what has changed since 2005, 2006.

And that usually ends up being one of the main, main things. Um, and narratively. I mean, there's just, there, it's changed so much how female characters are treated, um, and considered for sure,

Sarah Wayne Callies: you know? Yeah. Something else I wanna give you credit for. You talk about your very first scene being a scene in lingerie, in a conjugal, that's also our character's introduction and I don't know that anybody saw or planned on the depth that you brought to her.

Do you know what I mean? Like we were often as women, me less so. I don't know why I'm difficult, I guess, but like so many women are asked to show up [00:35:00] in lingerie, be sexy and go home. And what I imagine happened is they saw the dailies of you guys actually interacting and were like, oh, this isn't my hot girlfriend is coming in for a conjugate.

Right? This is the love of my life has showed up to connect with me and this will be the spiritual food I need to get through my sentence. Mm-hmm. And then they started writing for that because very quickly Mm. You moved out of sexy. Yeah. Sexy to, I mean, you were always sexy or always beautiful, but like out of being defined by Yeah.

What people see and more defined by like, look at the two of them together, their baby is going to have dimples that go all the way through their cheeks. Like that is wild. Um, and I have to give you credit for that because I think, you know, we talked very early on, um, to Jocelyn Sig about this and I think [00:36:00] 20 years ago, and this is very, very much not as much as the case now.

I said much too many times in that sentence, but we'll skip it. Um, we got it 20 years ago. Our job was to show up and make a character where one did not exist on the page. And that was how you worked yourself into something that was meaningful. Mm-hmm. And, you know, hats off to you because you, you did it and in doing it, you served the show.

Amaury got to play way more interesting stuff. Um, yeah, I just wanna give you props for that. Thank you. Also, you have now ended up on a show. I did. I worked with Holloway for three years and before that we did a movie together. And like you and the guys with the dimples, I don't know if it's

Camille Guaty: casting, I don't understand it.

I said, because JJ Abrams is, uh, also co-creator in this and yeah, I think he has a thing for dimples because he might, there's several characters that have dimples, is that right? Oh. But also prison break. There were several characters that have [00:37:00] dimples who there's, um, who is Dunbar's, um. Oh, Casey, uh uh, Cynthia Casey dimples.

Uh, Kim Mc Williams. Yes.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Yeah.

Camille Guaty: I mean, there are times when I'm seeing a picture of her that I think it's me sometimes for sure. Like, wait a minute.

Sarah Wayne Callies: And Helena, who played their daughter, like, same like I know. Yeah. Adorable. Maybe it's di does Dominic had

Paul Adelstein: dimples or

Sarah Wayne Callies: I've never seen him. Dominic smile. Dominic.

I don't know. Okay. Yeah. That smile, that's so hard to tell. He may, he might, they might be in there. Um, in terms of fans, like you've got a big career. Mm. When people come up to you, what are they talking about? Are they talking about prison break? Like what are your fan interactions? Are people like, forget that I love you from, you know, this other thing.

Camille Guaty: I mean, if anytime anyone. It sees me from prison break. First off, they don't believe it's me at first. They're just like, gosh, does anyone [00:38:00] ever tell you that you look like Monte Goose? Oh yeah. And I was like, mm-hmm. Yeah, I get that a lot. They're like, are you? Are you Monte Goose? I'm like,

Paul Adelstein: mm-hmm.

Camille Guaty: Yeah.

Sometimes I'll say no. But most of the time or or people sometimes can't pinpoint it, you know? They're like, gosh, where is it? Where do I know you from? Where do I know you from? Right. And I was like, I don't know. I don't know dude. And then people are like, because I don't know you. You're an actress. And I'm like, I am.

They're like, well, what would I have seen you in? I hate that so much. What would I have seen you in? I was like, well, since we're friends and I'm hanging out with you in your living room watching TV with you, and I know what you like to watch, I can tell you what you, what you would've seen me in. I'm like, I don't know what you watch.

I don't know. Nope. And I don't, I used to go down that rabbit hole where I would like say some stuff and then I'm like, it's the worst. No. No, I don't know. You'll figure it out. It's not nice to meet you.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Especially because sometimes like [00:39:00] when somebody really pushes every now and again, I'll be like, well, maybe it could be this.

And sometimes you'll get like, no, I hate that show. And you're like,

Camille Guaty: that's it. Okay. Like, no, it's not that. I mean, I could do a, a little comedy sketch on, on that, right? Mm-hmm. Oh, well would it be this? Ah, not that.

Paul Adelstein: No, not that. No. Yeah.

Camille Guaty: Okay, cool. Yeah, I would never watch that. Okay, cool. I don't know,

Sarah Wayne Callies: did I ever tell you I had somebody come up to me and they were like, you're that doctor on Fox?

And I was like, mm-hmm. And I was really thrilled 'cause people always back then called me a nurse. 'cause I was a woman on TV and I was like, I did not go. It to fake medical school for years for you to think I was a nurse. And they were like, you're that doctor on Fox? And I was like, yeah. And they're like, oh my God, that's my favorite show.

Hugh. Laurie is amazing. You guys have such great chemistry. And I was, gosh, hang on, hang on. Um, I'm not Jen Morrison. They wouldn't believe me. So I ended up, that's so funny. Signing an autograph with her name and texted her and I [00:40:00] was like, Hey Jen, I'm super sorry, but like I just signed and we're not close.

I just happened to have her number from I think a Maori at the time, and, uh, oh yeah. And she just died laughing. She was like, I hope you were nice and didn't hurt my reputation. I was like super polite. Right. Um, they think you're a brunette now. I, I don't know how that happened, but yeah. It was a very, uh, that's so funny.

Getting mistaken for someone else is

Camille Guaty: Yeah. I, I say that a lot too. Lot too because they're, especially out here, I don't think people are used to seeing actors. Sure. And so

Sarah Wayne Callies: Yep.

Camille Guaty: They're like, gosh, you look like an actress that I know. Mm-hmm. And I was like, um. I was like, well, I do have a couple doppelgangers.

And they're like, well, what do you do for a living? I was like, I'm, I'm an actor, not

Paul Adelstein: an actor.

Camille Guaty: I guess we're all painted into

Sarah Wayne Callies: that corner pretty quickly. I

Camille Guaty: know,

Sarah Wayne Callies: I know,

Camille Guaty: I know. But I, that's the thing too, is like, we do have doppelgangers, right? We mm-hmm. Like people used to think that I was Michelle [00:41:00] Rodriguez sometimes if I wear a tank top, but

Sarah Wayne Callies: have my guns

Camille Guaty: out or, you know, I,

Sarah Wayne Callies: by the way, that's a huge compliment to your biceps.

Camille Guaty: Yeah, I know. I do have arms. I have arms and I don't like them. What? You don't like them? I don't like them. Mm-hmm.

Sarah Wayne Callies: I hate them. Can I talk you out of that? Because it's powerful and amazing and you can wear a tank top and have people confuse you from Michelle Rodriguez. I would love that. I mean,

Camille Guaty: that's great.

That part's great. But yeah, I've always wanted those, like really just nothing. Arms,

Sarah Wayne Callies: oh, the like heroine arms from the nineties. Yeah. But

Camille Guaty: like, I have an eating disorder. Arms. Arms, yeah. That

Sarah Wayne Callies: arm. No, no. Carry the, carry the, the power. I love it.

Camille Guaty: It just feels very, it feels very masculine. Mm-hmm. And sometimes I can have a, me Camille can have a very masculine personality.

Um, [00:42:00] as in, you know, I like to take charge. I'm a type A I, it's like there's these things that I do and I have, and I just wanna have a more slender arm look than, and people always comment on them. And I think that's, that's it. You know, we always want what we don't have. So when people comment like, yeah.

Paul Adelstein: Right. Wow. Gosh, what

Camille Guaty: do you do to work? What do you do for a workout? I'm like, why?

Sarah Wayne Callies: Actors? I'm inviting you to love your arms. Um, there was something, by the way, when I was same, you know, creeping around your, uh, Instagram. To just prepare for this and see what you were up to in the world, if you're interested in talking about it.

I saw something really fascinating that you posted about what it means to play a mom on TV and play pregnant mom on tv and then walk a journey of infertility, IVF and egg donorship. And I was fascinated by this partly because I, my [00:43:00] youngest is adopted and so that whole concept of does DNA weigh in at all?

Um mm-hmm. I was, I mean, first of all, I was a part of your story that I'd never heard before, and I was really moved by your vulnerability and honesty, because I'm sure there are so many people suffering. Mm-hmm. Who saw what you had to say and saw themselves. Um, yeah. But I wasn't sure if you wanted to speak to that at all.

And if you don't, that's fine. Oh.

Camille Guaty: Of course I speak to it on a daily, it's, it's part of, it's part of my story. It's, it's, it was a big responsibility to come out publicly and talk about it. Um, and the reason why I did was because I remember I was at a Starbucks and I was pregnant, and, uh, it was my local Starbucks and, and my, so I knew all the baristas there, and she was like, oh my gosh, you're, you're 40 and you're pregnant.

I've got plenty of time. And [00:44:00] I thought to myself, oh, is this the message that I'm sending out? And look, there's privacy and, uh, secrecy, right? Sure. I totally could have been private. I didn't have to tell anybody how I went about my ways of getting pregnant. But I think when I struggled for so long with infertility and I went through so many rounds of IVF and IUI, and this, you no idea what I actually did to try to get pregnant.

Um, and it didn't happen. And we finally got pregnant with one donor, egg one, one donor egg. That's

Sarah Wayne Callies: amazing.

Camille Guaty: I I was like, I wanna celebrate this. Yeah. This should be celebrated. Yeah. This shouldn't be kept secret, because if it's kept a secret, then I am, I'm, there was something wrong with me. Right. Then I'm, then I'm highlighting what was wrong with me.

Mm-hmm. And I'm highlighting the shame that I'm feeling in this. Mm-hmm. And I would rather speak to this [00:45:00] and let other women, it was more for other women. Mm-hmm. Right. And myself to say, Hey, I am 40 and I am pregnant, but this is how I did it. Mm-hmm. And I, and I want you guys to just start to acknowledge your, the power that you had in knowing your fertility at a younger age and throughout time, because would I.

Do it all over again. If I had to. Yes. Because I would, I, I want my baby, right? I want my baby because that's your boy. But

Paul Adelstein: yeah.

Camille Guaty: But I had no information. Yeah. Nobody told me anything. Nobody said, oh, you should maybe check your levels of fertility to see where you're at. Nobody said anything. So I thought, Hey, I'm Latin.

I'm 38, I'm gonna get pregnant. Right? Easily. And it didn't happen. So I wanted to empower women with the knowledge of, this is how I did it, and this is something that you should be looking at. [00:46:00]

Paul Adelstein: Mm-hmm.

Camille Guaty: Check your numbers, do this, do that. If you wanna have a baby in the future, freeze your eggs. You know. So advocating for fertility became not only, uh, was gratifying, but was also healing for me.

Hmm. Um. And, and I've have many, many women that are now pregnant because I'm like, go do this, go do that. Mm. They were like, gosh, I thought it was gonna take forever. I'm like, sometimes it does. Mm-hmm. It can Congratulations. You're pregnant. Yeah.

Sarah Wayne Callies: It's interesting. I was on set very early in my career and I was working with a wonderful producer and he brought his wife and his daughter on set and it was immediately apparent that they weren't biologically related.

He and his wife to his daughter. And I was like, would you tell me about this? Because, you know, my husband and I have been talking about adoption for, since we met, uh, at 19 and 21. And I said, you know, I'm just, just wanna make sure I've thought my way all the way through it. And he [00:47:00] said they had gone a big journey with, um, fertility and miscarriage, and he's like, I, I couldn't watch my wife go through another miscarriage.

And I had this aha moment of realizing I love no one in the world as much as I love my wife. And we weren't blood related, so how could DA possibly matter? And it was like a dime dropped and I was like, right. Oh, it's really, what a great way to put it. That simple. Mm-hmm. I, you know, mercifully, I'm not related to my husband 'cause that would be, um, complex and terrifying and probably a part of the teabag storyline.

Um, and right there was all the proof that I needed that was like, you know, yeah. Adoption is a very viable way to go. And I do feel like people, a lot of women really suffer with the psychology of infertility and the feeling like they've [00:48:00] been, um, betrayed by their bodies or that they did something bad in pursuing a career and what, you know, like, there's all, all of that judgment and I just thought it was, you know, really beautiful the way.

The way you tied that in, um, not only to your own experience, but also, you know, to your career and what that means to be like. I've played pregnant on TV so many times and this is going on behind the scene. All pregnant.

Paul Adelstein: Yeah. Whoof.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Yeah. Oh

Paul Adelstein: man.

Camille Guaty: The, that's big. One of, one of the worst. It's, it wasn't the worst, but one, it was a very trying moment for me was I was playing this 38 week pregnant woman who actually had to give birth.

It was a two episode arc on a good doctor. Um, my husband was actually, um, de delivering his goods for, for the, for, for the, uh, you know, fertilization of the [00:49:00] eggs. Um, and we at the time had a donor, uh, who was young and, uh, irresponsible. And she ovulated all, uh, 18 eggs. Um, and I don't know what that

Sarah Wayne Callies: means.

I'm so sorry. I'm lost.

Camille Guaty: So it's basically the very last round when you have a donor mm-hmm. You, she goes through IVF. Mm-hmm. And you then collect the eggs, you know. Mm-hmm. They, they drop, you get the eggs, and then the eggs are then fertilized with the my, your husband's sperm. Right. And then they, they're free embryos.

Gotcha. Um, well, she messed up on this trigger shot where it's literally, if they say 4:21 AM you have to take it at 4:21 AM

Paul Adelstein: Oh, wow.

Camille Guaty: And here I am in my trailer, um, they're strapping on this pregnant belly.

Paul Adelstein: Oh God.

Camille Guaty: And oh my

Paul Adelstein: God. I mean, I

Camille Guaty: cannot make this up. I actually have it recorded because I was, um, [00:50:00] practicing an audition.

So I had the camera rolling and the doctor calls me FaceTime with Cy in the corner, my husband in the corner crying. And I'm like, what's happening? And they said she ovulate all 18 of her eggs. And when we got to this point, this is like, you feel like this is the end all, be all. Like it's gonna happen now.

Mm-hmm. Because now it's not about my eggs.

Paul Adelstein: Mm-hmm.

Camille Guaty: Now we have a young, viable woman who has the eggs and plethora eggs and it's gonna work. Mm-hmm. And then when it didn't, and I had to go on set, and this one moment I, I remember being like, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm empty. I'm empty. I feel nothing. I felt nothing.

And, uh, one of the actresses, um, was with me on another show when I was trying to get pregnant. So she's been through it with me. She knows. Wow. Thank God. And I said, I was like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Like I can't, no, I have no emotion in me. I'm like, [00:51:00] VA the shut down. And she goes, take a shut down.

She goes, take a moment. I, they're like strapping me into the gurney. This other scene, they're strapping me into the gurney. And now this scene where they have to bring the baby and put him in my arms, and it's a 14 day old, old baby boy, 14 day old, old baby boy, my God. And I'm like, here I go, I'm in the gurney.

And I was like, and then I just hear quiet on set, this baby on set, quiet on set, quiet on set. And the minute this woman walks in with this tiny little baby mm-hmm. I could not stop crying. Yeah. I, I mean I'm talking like five years of not being able to get pregnant, like came out Oh my god. In this moment.

And I remember everyone being like, what's going, what's happening? What is happening? Right. Right. We're not, cameras aren't rolling. Right, right. Yeah. You know, they weren't rolling yet and I [00:52:00] just couldn't stop and, um. And I, I did a podcast with this other woman who said, um, that was your preview, like holding that little boy was your preview.

Because I used to look at that moment, I was like, what a, like what did I do to deserve that? Right, right,

Sarah Wayne Callies: right.

Camille Guaty: But this woman said that was a preview of what was to come. Mm-hmm. Because after that I did get pregnant like months later, but I got pregnant. And um, but I always look at that and people are always like, gosh, that episode was so great, or those episodes were so great.

I'm like, you only knew it came at a cost. It's going through. Oh my

Sarah Wayne Callies: goodness. And that is something that's really, um, I think common. If you work long enough, not common, but if you work long enough, you end up having to be on set in the middle of intense personal crises. I, you look back, was [00:53:00] that big sob helpful to you at all?

Or was that just like salt on the wound? Did it give you any chance to release anything that was holding or do you look back on that and go, I wish to God that I had not been at work that day.

Camille Guaty: No, I think, I think I needed that. Okay. I think I really needed that. Yeah. Um, I mean, that's looking back, that's looking back.

I don't mean in the moment. In the moment. Yeah. Yeah. In the moment. I don't know if I would say that. Um, but yeah, I think that cryo is very cathartic. Um, and, and released so much because whenever you get that I'm not pregnant, I'm Oh, you didn't get pregnant. You didn't get pregnant, you didn't get pregnant.

You know, you get the phone call from the nurses. Right. You, um, you always, I always had a cry and I would get angry. It was like all the feelings of grief. Mm-hmm. Like it was the whole thing. Sure. That would happen. Yep. [00:54:00] Um. But you would always cry about that moment. Right? It would not be, I don't think it would be like this whole generation of, of moments.

So I think that per se was was it encompassed the years. It encompassed all of it.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Wow. Thank you for, um, for sharing that. That's a, that's a, an like, I don't even know the word for it as a story, but I'm grateful to have heard it. Um, and you know, I mean, was Maricruz the first time you played somebody pregnant because you were pretty young.

Camille Guaty: I know. Um, yes. Yes. Huh. Because at that time I played very young characters. Right. Um, well, you had

Sarah Wayne Callies: such a baby face too, you know, like I did. You looked so young. Yeah. You still do, but like, um, yeah, it's the dimples. It's the dimples. It's funny, you know, you, Cynthia and I were all our twenties on that show.

Mm-hmm. Um. [00:55:00] Which, uh, I don't think the guys were, anyway. Um, that's another Hollywood thing of, so playing opposite somebody who's just la minimum five years. Well, I'm, I'm talking about like Right. A Maori Rockman and Wentworth were all in their thirties. Right. Um, you know, playing opposite somebody who's minimum five years older than you, and sometimes, you know, 10.

And like I always talk about playing Nick Cage's wife, and I'm just like, seriously? I was watching you on screen winning Oscars in eighth grade. How am I, your, your wife

Camille Guaty: anyway? No, I do, I say that all the time. When you're like, when all of a sudden they're like, yeah, well they're gonna go younger. Of course they're gonna go.

Now when I'm auditioning for like movies, yeah. Hundred percent. Like this. Very mature man.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Hold on second. Yeah. You're, you're still a lot younger than Holloway. I adore him. But you are a lot younger than Josh. Um,

Camille Guaty: oh yeah. By the way, he's fun though.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Our Josh is the best. I adore him. [00:56:00] Um, I just completely love him.

Please give him all my love.

Camille Guaty: I will, I definitely will.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Paul and I actually have a friend, Diane Farr, who wrote a wonderful piece and I think the Hollywood Reporter about age parody. Mm-hmm. And what it does for a relationship on screen when the actor and actress are within a couple years of each other and the gravitas and like the, the unspoken things that pass between them that are compelling and interesting and very hard to replicate.

Um, and I love that article. Oh,

Camille Guaty: I would love to see that. Can you send that to me? Yeah,

Sarah Wayne Callies: yeah, yeah. Um. Um, yes, I will get, uh, I will get your number from, um, Ben, and I'll, I'll send it over. That would be great. Um, send Diane's article

Camille Guaty: to him. But have you noticed now that they're, they're flipping the script a little [00:57:00] bit and lately I've seen a lot where it's the woman now dating or in a relationship with a younger man

Sarah Wayne Callies: really?

Camille Guaty: There's a, there's, well, there's interesting the, um, is it Nicole Kidman? That's, oh, Nicole Kidman baby girl. Yeah,

Paul Adelstein: baby girl. Um, Julie Ann Moore did work. And, but also those, those stories are oftentimes about that, whereas the ones, I mean the men with the younger women thing is just, that's just life. And the other ones are about a woman dating a man considerably younger.

Like that's always part of plot or discussion.

Sarah Wayne Callies: You're right. Yeah. Yeah, you are right. It's a big deal. Um, Camille, I feel like we should let you go. Uh, you've been so generous with your time and your stories. It's, I mean, you guys, I, such a joy to see you.

Camille Guaty: Thank you. It, it, it was, I loved being here. I loved seeing all your faces.

Paul Adelstein: All right. You wanna do our credits? [00:58:00]

Sarah Wayne Callies: Uh oh. Yeah. You know what, let's do, okay, so having just left Camille, there is one fan thing that I did wanna do this week. Yes. Because somebody sent us, uh, a wonderful letter, um, in our fan mail inbox that really touched us. Um, Paul, I don't know if you wanna read it, you're welcome to, or I can't.

It doesn't mean, uh, you should read it. This one. I don't know. I just thought this one was really lovely. So, uh, we will get back to fan questions eventually, but for the moment we're kind of going through the inbox and we really appreciate everything you guys have to say and to share. Um, it's nice knowing we're not throwing this out into the ether and no one, no one's listening.

Yeah. All right, so this is, hi, Sarah and Paul. Exclamation point. Exclamation point, exclamation point. My name is Amelia. I'm from Sydney, Australia. I'm 18 years old. I obviously did not watch the show when it first aired. I love that you have a call line, but unfortunately I can't call. So I wanted to email and share my prison break watching experience, which we asked [00:59:00] fans to do in season one of this podcast.

I watched the pilot with my dad a month ago and we loved it, but unfortunately he passed away before we could watch anymore. I ended up binging the show after his death, and it became a big comfort show for me, which is ironic because, A, it is not very comforting. And B, it replaced my previous comfort show, private practice.

I have talked my friend's ears off about this show so much that some of them have promised to watch it, if it'll make me shut up. Found. It's a great way to connect with strangers too. People have overheard me talk about it, and it sometimes leads to me having 20 minute conversations about which season is the best with a complete stranger.

I found your podcast after my first watch and began listening as I re-watched, and I wanted to let you know how inspiring it is. It has always been my biggest dream to be an actress, but recently I pushed that passion away. This podcast has re-lit the flame inside me. I love listening to your [01:00:00] actress stories and I've learned so much about working on set just by tuning in the way you talk about your experiences and so expiring.

I've actually applied for an agency and cannot wait to start my journey. Not sure if this will find you, but I wanted to make sure you both understand what an impact this podcast has made, even if it is just on a young Aussie. All my love, Amelia.

Paul Adelstein: Amazing.

Sarah Wayne Callies: So. Um, we are sorry for your loss.

Paul Adelstein: Mm-hmm.

Sarah Wayne Callies: We wish you all the best of breaking legs on your acting career.

Mm-hmm. And, uh, and thank you for sharing that with us. That was really beautiful and thank

Paul Adelstein: you. Thank you. And go get 'em.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Not a lot. Yeah. Go get 'em. Um, some powerhouse actors come from Australia.

Paul Adelstein: That's right.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Um, I think that's it. Alright. Thank you for tuning in everybody. Our episode today. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much for tuning in.

Paul Adelstein: Um, prison Breaking is a Prison Breaking with Sarah and Paul is a Caliber [01:01:00] Studio Productions.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Your hosts have been inmates, Sarah Wayne Callies and Paul Adelstein.

Paul Adelstein: Our prison warden is producer Ben Haber.

Sarah Wayne Callies: Cutting us up in the yard is Editor Luke Singer.

Paul Adelstein: Our jailhouse rock band is fronted by Paul Edelstein, me, who made our music.

Okay. Our

Sarah Wayne Callies: Prison Yard Tattoo artist logo and brand designer is John Nunziatto at Little Big Brands. Check 'em out at www.littlebigbrands.com

Paul Adelstein: and follow the show on YouTube and Instagram @PrisonBreakPodcast.

Sarah Wayne Callies: You can join the watch. Uh, sorry. You can join the watch party in our disc com. Mm-hmm. One more time.

You can join the watch party and our Discord community through the Patreon link in the show notes. Wherever you're listening. Right now,

Paul Adelstein: prison Breaking with Sarah and Paul has been a caliber studio production. Thank you for

Sarah Wayne Callies: listening. Bye guys. Be good to each other.

Paul Adelstein: Bye you [01:02:00] guys.