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Regan: [00:00:00] Hello everyone and welcome to the Mr Pick me in the Man Hater Podcast. My name is Reagan, AKA, the man hater, even though I don't hate men. Are you laughing? Whatcha laughing at what?

Chesko: Laughing. 'cause I was gonna do it. I was not gonna mess up this. I don't know why it, it made me laugh thinking about me doing this perfectly.

Regan: Just introduce yourself please.

Chesko: I am Checo AKA Mr. Pick me. Wow. And wow. Wow. I have already been picked going on 15 years this summer.

Regan: Why did you say it like that? Oh my. Why? What do you,

Chesko: what do you count for? Uh, when I was paid, because technically it'll be like 17 years together,

Regan: I guess. Jesus. Yeah. But 15 year look you

Chesko: wedding anniversary.

Regan: That's cool. Legally. Legally. 15. Legally I became hers. [00:01:00] Uh. Hmm. Yeah, it means a lot. That's a long time.

Chesko: That's a, that's substantial. I didn't think about that. I know I haven't said it out loud. My god, my God. No, I'm panicking.

Regan: Oh

Chesko: no. It's too

Regan: much. It's too long. I didn't plan on this. Oh God. Don't mess up.

Chesko: I mean, I made it this far.

Regan: Well, JustCo, what are we going to be talking about today? 'cause I know it's gonna.

We're, we're talking about Meow Witch today.

Chesko: Yeah, the Princess Bread is the princess bread. Oh,

Regan: I know what it's, I know what it's from. Well, true of,

Chesko: well true of. Anyways, we are gonna talk about sort of marriage, uh, and the effect of golf on marriage. Dun

Clip: dun.

Chesko: Theme song.

Clip: You want bad advice, man. I'll give it out.

Glad I got some good advice [00:02:00] for you. No you don't. I know you don't. I got some good advice for you. No, you don't. I know you don't. Shit

Regan: the effect of golf. It's sad that that's probably like something. A lot of wives could articulate mm-hmm. The effect of golf on their marriage. Yeah. That's wild.

Chesko: It is. I've never gone golfing before and it Good for

Regan: you.

Chesko: There is, there is part of me that's like, what, what's the interest like? Is it, it doesn't seem interesting to me.

Regan: I have a theory truly, and I am not the only woman now. My dad was a golfer, so. Mm-hmm. I. Have been around a lot of golfers. I truly believe that so much of it is that it's a, an activity.

Outside of the house, that takes a long amount of time that men can drink while doing

Chesko: it takes like the whole day and, yeah. '

Regan: cause they can leave a open-ended [00:03:00] time, like, I don't know any husband that leaves the house and goes, I'm leaving at this time. I will be back at this time.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: They, they just leave their wives at home, so it's like, oh, I guess he'll be back some, some point.

Like, I don't even think it has to do, maybe this is the conspiracy theory of it all, but I don't even think it has to do with the sport. I think it's about the getting away.

Chesko: It can't have anything to do because the sport am I like, what's interesting about it? I mean, that's baseball too, but baseball seems more

Regan: Well, and you drive around in a cart.

Chesko: Yeah. I guess, yeah, if there's a, if it's a sport where you can get drunk while playing it mm-hmm. Maybe that's not, uh, the reason you're playing that sport. 'cause usually you wanna stay sober during a sport so you can achieve a high level of skill.

Regan: I don't think they're going for that. And let's talk about how much land golf courses take up.

Sure.

Chesko: And water. That's such a

Regan: waste. Mm-hmm.

Chesko: To maintain those. Mm-hmm. Sons

Regan: of bitches.

Chesko: Yep. That was a big deal when I was in Arizona. 'cause they had these giant, in the middle of the desert, you know how much water it takes to sustain

Regan: like a much grass, green grass. Grass.

Chesko: Mm-hmm. [00:04:00]

Regan: Now that's just, that's out of control.

Chesko: Out of control. Arizona. Ah, I, I wanna, I do wanna learn pickleball. I wanna play pickleball. Oh, I've seen people play. I've seen people doing it.

Regan: My wife is in on that now. It's the new thing. It's very fun actually. It's easier than tennis, I think. Could

Chesko: I actually admit something? I just said, I don't even know what it is.

It's

Regan: in between tennis and ping pong.

Chesko: I've heard so many people say, I'm going to play pickleball. I'm like, so it does not, where, where does the pickle come into play

Regan: there? I, I don't think there's a pickle involved. What? I don't know where Pickle. I don't know where Pickle came from.

Clip: Mm-hmm.

Regan: I'm sure I, I'm speaking, let's look it up 'cause I'm speaking completely out of my rear.

Um, why is Pickleball called pickleball? First things first. Why would anyone name a sport pickleball if you have been wondering that you are not alone? One of the most debated topics today, both sides of the argument. Number one, the game pickleball was named after the founder's dog [00:05:00] pickles who kept running, running off with the ball between plays.

And the second one pickleball was derived from the term pickle boat, which is a boat manned by substitute members of competing teams. As such, the name Pickleball honors how the game brings together the best of other sports.

Chesko: Okay.

Regan: I don't, I don't know if I believe either of those, but I'll take the dog, I guess.

Chesko: I don't know, like I, I just, uh, googled pickleball gear and the first thing that popped up was a Trump paddle. So, uh, don't like that. Don't get it all. Uhoh. Oh wait, so is this just like tennis with wiffle balls?

Regan: I told you it's, it's like, it's um, in between tennis and. Ping pong, you hit like a, it's like a wiffle ball looking thing.

And then it's a big, it's a paddle.

Chesko: I can't believe I just said with my full chest, I really wanna play and genuinely had no idea what it is. I've just heard people say, I've heard so many times, I wanna play, I'm going to do pickleball. And it's been like [00:06:00] people, I like say it like there's many people that I genuinely think are, I could be friends with.

I should have told

Regan: you. It's a, it's a game where you find the tallest man and you. Smack him in the face with a pickle. Oh,

Chesko: no. No wonder they've been trying to get me to play. Do I at least get to eat the pickle after that? No. Oh. Uh, I used to love playing pickle basketball. Pickle basketball though. Pickle.

Oh my God. But, uh, I found as, as I've gotten older, men get way more intense and competitive about it. Oh yeah. It's not fun.

Regan: They're trying to show off that they're still manly.

Chesko: Yeah. And it's, it's just, I used to, I used to go all the time when I was like in my twenties. I'm not wanna be clear, I'm not good.

Uh, but I'm not terrible. I, I'm, I am adequately okay at it. I'm good enough where it's not embarrassing. I don't know anymore. I might be terrible now. Uh, but I stopped playing 'cause it was just, it, it was just like, what guys? Calm down, chill down. It's, we're in a gymnasium at the Y Why are you all so angry?

There's not a scout in the stands here. Like, I'm [00:07:00] wondering with this 38-year-old man. Has what it takes to bring the Knicks, their next championship. Like it's just, it's just, we are all terrible. We're all, God damn, I've been

Regan: looking for a new person for the NBA, but I just haven't looked in the right place.

What about the local, why you

Chesko: don't have a six pack between the, the lot of us on this court,

Regan: one

Chesko: pack amongst us. I don't understand why. So I stopped playing 'cause I was just like, guys, it's calm the fuck down. And I, I played soccer. I was never good at soccer. I played, so I was a captain of my soccer team.

Wasn't good at it. I.

Regan: Was at a birthday party speaking of men getting crazy competitive. Right. And like there was, uh, it was like a trampoline park kind of place. So there was a dodge ball area, and then there's a place you could go on this little beam and then you like hit each other with like this foam stick basically.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: And not you try to knock each other off the beam.

Chesko: I've seen this before. Yeah. Yes.

Regan: And then the dads, I don't know when they decided game on, but game was on. [00:08:00] So there was all these dads, like with their full strength, beaming each other with dodge balls. Well, simultaneously, little five year olds are running about, they're knocking like as if they're playing for a prize, as if they're gonna win something like they were.

So competitive and so extra, and then they like hit two kids and then they were like, yeah, you know, maybe we should chill. But it was so weird to see like these dads who seemed reserved and then all of a sudden they're like, and they just like run into the dodge while they start hitting each other. I'm like.

Um, what is happening?

Chesko: I, it's so fa because I used to be, I was, I, I admittedly, that was one of the most toxic masculine traits I have, was I was hyper competitive. Like, I really wanted to win everything. Like, I don't know, I just needed to win. And then like, once I got, I became a father. Mm-hmm. It just went away.

I was like, what's, why was I, fuck, why was I so angry about this game of Monopoly? Why did I lose friends over this? Like, this is absurd. And I just, I just slowly [00:09:00] stopped like I'm, and now I just really, I'm like, am I having, I genuinely am like, am I having fun? This is great. Let's do more fun stuff.

Regan: It's just confusing to me because like, I feel like it comes from the drive to prove manhood in some way.

Yeah. And yet to me, there's nothing manly about. Grown men hurling dodge balls at each other, right. While their children are trying not to get hit in the face.

Chesko: Right.

Regan: Like, I don't see that and be like, Ooh, look at you guy. But I think, I

Chesko: think you're right. I really was. I think my, I. My competitive drive really went down when I became more comfortable with who I was as a person.

Like when I was just kind of, yeah, like when I didn't feel that need to prove things to other people. And I think that's kind of where, where that must come from. So same reason. I don't fish either. I don't know anybody that fishes. Why do so many men pick? That's the, I was thinking about this the other day.

We'll get to the topic eventually. This happens every week now, apparently. Um. But I, there, there's always the joke online about like, online dating with all these guys, with Phish, uh, like holding their fish. Yes, a hundred percent. I, I do, I [00:10:00] know one person that fishes and it's only 'cause his father owns a fishing company, uh, that, that'll do it.

And so he, he does fishing with him for like work. Yeah. I don't, I don't know a single other man that fishes.

Regan: I know I, I know some people that fish, but. Again, I would put that in the same category as golf, where it's like you go out for an undisclosed amount of time, I guess drinking and you spend money on it.

Chesko: I guess it's the guys I see. No, I don't know any golfers. I know a few. I know a few people that have picked up golf later on the life. Mm-hmm. Um, that invited me and I was like, I don't think you want me there.

Regan: And here's the thing, there's nothing inherently wrong with golf or fishing or any of these things.

No, no. But it's the men who abuse it

Chesko: mm-hmm.

Regan: To facilitate them abandoning their wives. Mm-hmm. Uh, emotionally, physically. Mm-hmm. Like, use it as an escape from their own responsibilities that they chose.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Uh, so let's talk about this [00:11:00] guy. Sure. What's, gimme some dets on this man?

Chesko: So I'm not, I'm not going to play the video because it's uh, it's an AI music of this text inter exchange with I want hear it.

Regan: We have to hear it.

Chesko: I don't know. I don't, I hate like. Do showing AI stuff on?

Regan: Well, we have to though. But the words are real, right? We're

Chesko: science.

Regan: So explain it again. What is it?

Chesko: Alright, so, alright, so this guy, uh, this theoretically. This is a real exchange and I didn't think it was real at first until I saw the comments of people defending the guy and him like defending his video, which we'll get to in a second.

Um, showing what I thought I, people, I thought people just appreciate. This is just a joking exchange between my wife and I, so he thinks so. It's a text exchange. That's this text exchange with him and his wife, he believes to be just this silly little lighthearted exchange.

Regan: He made into a song

Chesko: that he used AI to turn into a song.

Um,

Regan: yikes. Okay. Yeah.

Chesko: So here [00:12:00] we go. Here is the, uh, the song.

Clip: You left at nine. It's 1 45. Are you still golfing? Yeah, we're teeing off on 16. You also said you'll be back around two and the course is packed then it's super slow. Okay, so what time are you gonna be home? The baby's crying in the other three.

Won't stop fighting at eight. That golf takes so long. Tell them you can only do nine holes now when you go, yeah, that ain't gonna work. Well, I'm not in a good mood, so I guess I'll just see you whenever you are done.

Chesko: So this is. Keep, this is five hours basically into this golf trip,

Regan: nine to 1 45. Mm-hmm. Where they have not communicated

Chesko: no. [00:13:00] And she's like, Hey. Where I, you know the, there, she's clearly struggling with this, right? What?

Regan: Yeah, let's hold on. I'm gonna read it like a conversation, just

Chesko: so make sure everyone understands.

Yeah. Yeah. Because here, I'll, I'll be him. You be, you be her.

Regan: Yeah. It's all fun and games as a song, but let's do it like a conversation.

Chesko: Okay.

Regan: You left at nine, it's 1 45. Are you still golfing?

Chesko: Yeah, we're teeing off on 16.

Regan: You said you'd be back around too?

Chesko: Well, the course is super packed and it's super slow.

Regan: So what time are you gonna be home? The baby's crying and the other three won't stop fighting with each other. I hate that golfing takes so long. Tell them you can only do nine holes now when you go.

Chesko: Yeah, that ain't gonna work.

Regan: Well, I'm not in a good mood, so I guess I'll just see you whenever you're done.

Chesko: Can't wait,

Regan: bro. The can't wait.

Chesko: Right? He's being silly. He's being silly. It's just him joking with his wife

Regan: and like you could tell like her. From her side of it. Like [00:14:00] I have sent, not these messages, but there are times where I am struggling. Mm-hmm. And you can tell through my texting, I'm not good. Mm-hmm.

When someone is checking, like she's left him alone for, so nine to 10, 10 to 11, 11 to 12.

Chesko: Mm-hmm. Five hours. Four, four hours. Yeah. Five minutes. It's, it's 15 minutes

Regan: from five hours. Mm-hmm. Okay. How many holes are there? 16.

Chesko: 18.

Regan: 18?

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Oh God, help us. Oh my God. Okay, so he's. There's still two well, three holes to go

Chesko: I think.

No. What it sounds like to me is that they're like, because the way they do it is like, uh, sometimes you start on the, on the ninth hole. So you start, so it sounds to me like, 'cause she said, can you say, can you stop after nine holes, meaning after you finish the next two? And he is like, that's not gonna work.

I think, I think she

Regan: meant for next time you can only do nine holes. Now when you go

Chesko: see, I read, I read that as like, uh oh. Is that what she said? Let me see what. Oh, okay. So that's okay. But who knows? It's been so long. Who knows? [00:15:00] Either way

Regan: you can tell she's struggling. She's been solo with four children.

'cause there's a baby and three others.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: For the five hours. Clearly he's not gonna be home at the time that he told her he would be. And when you are solo parenting and your partner's coming home, you are watching that clock.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: And he's just like, laugh, cry, laughing emoji. Yeah. That's not gonna work.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: So completely disregarding how she feels

Chesko: immediately. Disregarding. Yeah. Not like we can talk, let's talk about it when we get back. Uh, let's figure this out. Let's find something that works for both of us.

Regan: Yeah. I mean, he could leave at any time too. Mm-hmm.

Chesko: Right. He's not a professional golfer.

Regan: Yeah.

You're like stuck in something like Yeah. You could easily tell your guys like, Hey, my wife's having a hard time. I gotta go.

Chesko: Yeah. It's also a solo sport, right? Yeah. Because it's not like they need me. We gotta, the, the team needs me to finish this.

Regan: They have to be here for this, you know, that. We do partners, we do doubles.

Doubles in golf. Right? Like it's so selfish. You're like [00:16:00] laughing at her when she's upset and the can't wait is just such a slap in the face.

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: Like, oh, can't wait to have to deal with the old ball and chain when I get home. Mm-hmm. And it's like, it also recognizes that she's upset.

Chesko: Mm-hmm. And

Regan: he knows she's upset.

Mm-hmm.

Chesko: And

Regan: he doesn't care.

Chesko: No.

Regan: He's just gonna deal with it when he gets home, which is so upsetting.

Chesko: The most upsetting part about this is like. It's very clear that this is not a new thing. This is not a one time thing, right. This is not something that, this is something he knows is going to happen again.

Um, and it's the, it's, I think the thing that really makes, genuinely makes me kind of mad, like, kind of like genuinely mad about it, is the fact that like she's reaching out, saying, Hey, I'm struggling. Yes. And there's not even, he doesn't even check in. There's not even a semblance of like, oh, the woman I love, the mother of my four young children is having a really rough day.

I [00:17:00] should at the very least be like. E Even if he was like, I'm so sorry, things have been really late. Yeah, I, I know I promised to be back at this time, but it got blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, there's not none of that. It's just, well, sucks to be, you

Regan: can't wait to deal with you when I get home. Oh God.

Chesko: Ugh.

Now I'm gonna have to deal with that when I get back.

Regan: That's a good point too, is like if he is on hole 16, he's had ample time to warn her. Mm-hmm. That it's slow. Mm-hmm. But instead he waits till she reaches out. So he wasn't even gonna tell her he was gonna be late. Mm-hmm.

Chesko: Mm-hmm. He

Regan: waits till she reaches out and then tells her when he could have told her, at least warned her, Hey, it's gonna be well, or hell do what I like to do, which is if I have to take extra time or.

Have to go do something. I'm like, can I bring you home a coffee? Can I bring you home ice cream? Like, whatever the hell. And sometimes it's not that. Sometimes it's get home right now, you know? Mm-hmm. And that's okay too. But this idea of like, eh, sorry. Just this is the way it is.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: And having no regard for the emotional state of your wife who's [00:18:00] clearly struggling.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Struggl. And then you like, okay, I can't even just go like imagining. This would never happen to me, but if my wife and I got into a dispute where I was really upset and having a hard time, and she kinda disregarded me. Then not only having her post it, she's pickleball it. She's playing pickleball.

Not only does she post the exchange online mm-hmm. She makes an AI song about it. Yeah. Because my frustration is that hilarious to her, and she wants the internet to laugh at. My struggle. Yeah. Oh well you can play golf anytime you want sucker. 'cause we're divorced.

Chesko: That's, I mean, that's literally where it comes from.

Five years now. She left me outta nowhere.

Regan: The next one in five years. His TikTok is him in black and white, like with his hand in his hand and nickel back us playing. And he is like, I don't know where she went. How could she leave me? Like, uh, and it's, the complaining

Chesko: is my wife won't even, she wouldn't even let me have any hobbies.

[00:19:00] Right. She stopped me from having anything fun in my life, right? I worked so hard for this family, and the one time where I wanna do something for myself, she ruined it.

Regan: The one time out of a hundred times that I went

Chesko: every weekend where I'm gone for the entire day.

Regan: That's, it's every weekend. Like, sorry, I'm screaming.

Uh, like when people are serious golfers, they go like, what? Every Sunday? I,

Chesko: I think,

Regan: I think that's right. I mean,

Chesko: I think they go a lot. I know for a fact it's, it's a fairly frequent thing. Yeah.

Regan: And it's a long time and like mm-hmm.

Chesko: Ooh, especially, and, and if you've ever parented young children, right. It, it's there.

And it sounds like in this situation, uh, I'm gonna assume more than maybe I should, but she's home alone with them during the week. Right. Probably. It, it feels like that. And then, and so it's not only has she been with them. All day, every day, throughout the whole week. Then it's also on Saturday. 'cause he is like, well this is my time to take a break.

Where's her fucking break? Right. [00:20:00] What do you, do you think on Sunday? Is she getting to go out and do something for by herself? No.

Regan: What are you taking a break from Guy? Mm-hmm. Like you need a break from your family.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Have you been with your family all week? I'm assuming not because generally. With men with this attitude aren't the ones that are staying home.

Mm-hmm. In my experience, but it's also like. There's never a reciprocal nature to it. Like, okay. Mm-hmm. You get to fuck off for five hours at bare minimum minimum's. Minimum you fuck off for five hours. Don't tell her like when you'll be back. Don't keep her posted. Don't care about her emotional state.

Mm-hmm. Or your kids stayed if they're having a hard time too. 'cause clearly they were

Clip: right

Regan: then you better give her the same luxury every. You know, every week where she also gets to go somewhere and be not bothered for five hours because they'll, the reciprocal to them is like, I let her take a shower by herself.

Chesko: Right. What are you talking about?

Regan: So [00:21:00] what do you want? I did the dishes.

Chesko: She doesn't work though.

Regan: Don't just go, don't start. You're gonna get me mad. I don't

Chesko: understand why she would be upset about this. What does

Regan: she need a break from?

Chesko: Yeah. They're just kids. When I, and it goes back to the conversation when I watch them, they're fine.

I don't have to do anything. The food's already. The food's already in the refrigerator. It's already been cooked out. Did you not know

Regan: that? The fridge, when you open it, there's meals that are already prepped. It's just there with notes that say, love you wife. Like, yeah. Everybody knows they appear.

Chesko: When I wake, when I open my drawers, the laundry's already folded and put away.

When I open the cabinet, the dish is already cleaned and put away. It's easy.

Regan: There's a place for everything. There's an organizational system that you don't even have to set up,

Chesko: and the kids wanna do art or whatever they wanna do. I just let 'em do whatever they want. Yeah, they make a mess, whatever. It's fine.

I'm not cleaning

Regan: right on the walls. I don't care.

Chesko: Whatever. I just, and then I go golfing and when I come home everything's better again. Yeah.

Regan: It's clean and it's, the crazy thing is then [00:22:00] my wife is like, ah, it's so hard to put 'em down today. Did you give 'em sugar? Or something like, yeah, of course I did.

Why do I care what they eat?

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: Okay, so, so that goes up, right? Yeah, but that's not the end of it. Right?

Chesko: No. So, uh, someone responded this, uh, this guy who actually they makes pretty good content, uh, Zach, mental load coach, and, uh, it made him mad. He saw it and he was like, he he made an angry response to it.

Yeah. Uh, to it, and I don't even know if he still has it up, but, uh, the 'cause he, he went and asked his followers 'cause, um, if, if he was, his response was. Okay. Like, am I right to feel mm-hmm. Because it was apparently very split online, which didn't make any sense to me. Right. And like, lemme show you some of the comments from like, oh God.

The, the video. Like, uh, one woman responded, it's hilarious. Wives can relate to Emily, which is the, the, the wife in the video, uh, texting them. And it makes us feel better. We aren't alone in the golf widow world. Golf widow world. No wait. Don't stop the songs. They make us laugh. [00:23:00]

Regan: Stop. Stop. Stop. Say that again.

Golf Widow world.

Chesko: Golf widow world. They make us feel better.

Regan: A man who is so into golf that his wife feels as if he is dead.

Chesko: Yeah. No. Is this a

Regan: common term? Is this for real?

Chesko: I, I don't know. It's, it was said

Regan: by at least one woman on the, at least one

Chesko: version says, but it, it goes back to like the, the, the, the joke of there was that, I remember there was that one video a while back. I don't remember what it was. It was a conference where it was mainly women there, if not all women there. And they're like, how many of you have already received a text from your husband?

Yes. There, and it was like the la it was so funny because men are so inept, right? Yeah. It's so funny because you are not even allowed to take an hour away or two hours away from home without needing to be contacted about X, Y, and Z. Um, that's there. And so I, it's the, the issue is I get. The premise [00:24:00] of someone responding and saying, oh, it makes me happy to know I'm not alone in this.

Right. That doesn't make the person doing the shitty thing. Good.

Regan: Yeah. Normalization does not equal hilarity necessarily. Yeah. Uh, and I think too, it's very telling that. They have to say, oh, whew. Now, now it's funny, like now that other people are suffering through it now, it's not this horrible thing my husband is doing to me now.

It's just LOL.

Chesko: It's just, you know how boys are

Regan: golf killed my husband.

Chesko: Mm-hmm. Like what

Regan: I, it makes me sad though, because it's true. There are so many women who are being mistreated and then like they see these videos and they're like, oh few,

Chesko: oh. Okay. It's

Regan: normal to feel like shit. And also like, it's not like the wife made the video, which I wouldn't like it if the wife made it either.

Right. But it's like the husband is ripping on the wife. Like that's the joke. Right. That is the joke. Like if you, if you break down, what's [00:25:00] funny about this mm-hmm. What's funny to him is him leaving, essentially like leaving his wife on red, like can't wait. Bye. Like not caring about her. Like it's to make other men laugh.

Mm-hmm.

Chesko: About

Regan: how he's treating his wife.

Chesko: So that's, that's one that's, that's it entirely. And that because there is, you're right, there is a, actually a really big difference though if it was a woman coming online to seek community because she's like, fuck, is anybody else going through this?

Right?

Like, all right, well, let's laugh at it because what else are we gonna do at, at this point it's like, it's really just versus the guy doing the harm.

Posting it as, Hey, look how funny this is. It's

Regan: hilarious. Look

Chesko: how shitty I am to my wife. Isn't this hilarious? Look how little I care about her. Struggling postpartum with four young children at home that are clearly having a really hard day. Isn't this funny? So funny. It's hilarious. Well,

Regan: it's interesting 'cause there's some [00:26:00] theories online about like, there's a lot of women who post.

Like stories of their, the way that they're mistreated

Chesko: mm-hmm.

Regan: Uh, by their husbands. And then like, there's this inevitable cycle to the point that someone will post a video and then there'll be a comment like, Q the, he's not that bad. It was just a joke video in 3, 2, 1. Mm-hmm. Because. More often than not, a woman will make a joke about her experience and then people will say, Hey, that's not cool and that's bad and you need to, he needs, he shouldn't be treating you like that.

And then she'll like, guys, it was supposed to be funny. It's just a joke. And, uh, I, I used to really struggle with it because I was like, why, why keep posting it if you don't want feedback? 'cause like I could see mm-hmm. To your point where it's like for support mm-hmm. Like, I know this is bad. I, I, I'm commiserating.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Maybe

Regan: I need to bring it up. We need to work on it, whatever. But a lot of times they just wanna say it and have everybody be like, ha ha, totally same at my house. And, [00:27:00] uh, now people have a theory, uh, that it's like, um, almost like a shame ritual for the wives who can't get their husbands to do better.

So they're hoping they'll get enough flack on the internet that maybe the husband will do a little bit better or change a little bit. Mm-hmm. But they don't actually want to hold him accountable on their own.

Clip: Yeah. I'm

Regan: like, that's fascinating because it doesn't really make sense to me. Like after a certain point, like, are you, maybe they are just seeking to the point of that woman's comment to have other women say, this is okay, this is fine.

Mm-hmm. We think it's funny because this is all normal

Chesko: and I think, and maybe, maybe it's the way of like them fighting, like that inner voice telling them this is a really tragic situation. Right. This is horrible. There's better out there. And if you can hear that there isn't better out there, it's like, all right, well, I guess, I guess I'll figure out a way to deal with it.

It could be worse. He doesn't hit me. Yeah, he doesn't cheat on me. Right. And as you've heard that before, like, well, he, you know, he works. He, he, he [00:28:00] doesn't do the real bad stuff.

Mm-hmm.

What, why would I leave? He doesn't, I mean, he, it could be worse.

Regan: I mean, I, it's, you gotta be deep into the pick me.

Patriarchy bullshit to be commenting in this man's comment section as he's like, you know, being a total asshole about his wife, who's clearly struggling. Like it's not like she's like, I'm tired. Come home. She's like, the baby's crying. The three other kids are fighting. You told me you'd be home at this time.

Like that is what he's choosing. To be the quote unquote funny part.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: So it's clearly cruel, like very cruel towards his wife. If you see that and you're like, ha ha, this is hilarious. Keep it up. Like you have got to be down bad with the patriarchy on that one.

Chesko: He did exactly though what you said though.

He made a response to the guy responding to him and his, his, the whole, the whole gist of it was we can play it if we want to. Yeah. Play it. Sure. Okay. I wanna

Regan: hear this dude. All right. I've only heard AI version of him. I wanna see what this fucker looks like.

Chesko: Yeah. [00:29:00] Uh, the face behind the voice, this will include, uh, the guy I talked about, Zach, mental load coach.

Okay. Uh, in there as well. And like you'll say, he, he made a video saying like a kind of a, Zach made it feel kind of apologizing. Like, I guess I went too far. 'cause people were giving him so much shit. And I'm like, dude, you, I, I sent him a dm. I was like, you're, you were not off base. You every right to be like, fuck this guy.

Regan: Well, this is a very common thing though. Mm-hmm. Like, it's so normalized for men to disregard their wives to golf.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: That you're gonna get it from guys who do it. You're gonna get it from wives who need to normalize that it's being done to them. Mm-hmm. Like. I could see how he would get a lot of heat,

Clip: five videos in on this account.

I hate this dude's guts. In my humble, angry opinion, this guy shouldn't be married. These are the words coming from a mental coach. The guys are saying, oh, it's just a joke. It's funny. This guy definitely gives the vibes that if she were doing the same thing to him, even just on a singular [00:30:00] weekend, he would be shitting his pants, having to manage all the kid stuff.

In freaking the fuck out if she were coming home more than 30 minutes after she originally said she would. I didn't realize how angry this made me.

I mean, is it really that outta line? I thought it was funny. It's something that a lot of golfers can relate to. I mean, I think this guy just needs to relax a little bit.

I don't know. What do you guys think? Let me know in the comments.

Regan: He, he has man child vibes.

Chesko: 100% does

Regan: like even the way he looks, he's

Chesko: like,

Regan: here's the thing, here's, I thought it was

Chesko: funny

Regan: here. Here's what kills me.

Chesko: Mm-hmm. Is

Regan: these dudes will come out with shit like this, which is. Just being a dick. Like, let's be honest.

Pardon my French. Mm-hmm. Sorry. But that's, that's what he is doing. Like he's being an asshole. He knows he's being an asshole. Mm-hmm. And then they'll come back with another video where they're like, oh, I just thought it was kind of funny. Like, God, this guy takes it kind of seriously. Yeah. You're, I always do that one, the, the hair behind the ear.

Uhhuh, I don't even know, but like, you know, they, [00:31:00] they, he has his hat on it, you know, he is got the browse like inward, like, I don't even know. And it's like. Dude, you knew you were being an asshole.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: And you get called out for being an asshole, which I, I don't. I think that guy was right on. He definitely came out of the, the gate swinging with like, I fucking hate this guy.

Yeah.

Chesko: But I was like, yeah,

Regan: yeah. But it's like then, and he, the crazy thing, he is like a lot of men relate to this like, no shit, dude. Yeah. That's not Uber that showcases that. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah. If you are hearing a critique of your behavior and then you say, well, a lot of guys relate to it.

Yeah.

Chesko: I was showing my, my, my, the guys at the golf course, her Texan, they were laughing out loud so hard.

Regan: Literally they were laughing so hard.

Chesko: Guys, get this, I'm crying. Our kids are sobbing. I hate, I, I'm struggling really hard right now. How fucking funny is that? Can't

Regan: wait. Bitch. Like literally, that's the, and it, it's like, of course guys think it's [00:32:00] funny.

That's not the problem guy. Like the problem is your wife. Like that's the thing is like even in the video, he points out the valid points he has, which is your wife is struggling, you wouldn't reciprocate. Mm-hmm. It wouldn't be the same if, you know the shoe was on the other foot. Mm-hmm. And yet his defense speaks only about men, which is my guy thought it was funny.

He doesn't even attempt mm-hmm. To disprove what the what, uh, what's the guy's name? Zach. Mm-hmm. He doesn't even attempt to disprove what Zach says. He doesn't address it. Mm-hmm. He just says, well, other guys like it.

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: And then, you know, it's such a, in my opinion

Chesko: mm-hmm.

Regan: A coward's way out of a interaction to immediately turn to your followers, who of course will take your side.

Yeah. Unless like you've done something outlandish. Mm-hmm. And be like, well, what do you guys think? 'cause he just wants to be validated mm-hmm. Rather than actually address. The critique,

Chesko: right?

Regan: It's like you're the one who decided to do a response video and your response video was basically [00:33:00] like, Hey guys, will you beat him up for me?

Chesko: Right? Like, like

Regan: saying you're gonna fight somebody and be like, meet me in the back of the school, and then just bring in all your friends and be like, Hey guys, what do you think? Mm-hmm. Do you think you should fight him? Like. Yeah, fight your own battles if you want to, but don't, it's,

Chesko: it's absolutely absurd.

And that happens all the time. You see this with like a lot of other, like, even even creators, especially in the leftist space, actually, I said a lot, uh, where they'll, they'll be like, uh, tell, look, look what this person said about me. Mm-hmm. And I'm not saying, now, please don't go attack this person. Mm-hmm.

I'm asking you nicely. Please don't go attack this person. Right. But do you think they were right? By me saying that I, I was racist or that I was sexist, or that I was blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Insert is Amir. Mm-hmm. Um, that I did. And they'll be like, I'm not saying that they, that they're, they're wrong. I, I just wanna know, are they all, and then like, here's their name and here's their account.

Let me know. But don't, don't attack them at all. And then you see this per Yeah. It's, you've seen it, I've seen it over and over again. But this [00:34:00] small account then will then end up going private or just deleting their account. Because of the harassment they receive for making a legitimate critique of somebody doing something shitty from a bigger account.

Uh, and they, they're, I don't actually know how big either. Hold on. I'm gonna look and see.

Regan: Well, clearly that's right though, because Zach said he was like, sorry, sorry. Right.

Chesko: I don't think either of them are, are fairly large accounts. Um, but it was still, I, I do think that they both, like, I think enough of that guy's followers went over to Zach's page and gave him shit.

Obviously, he thought, 'cause I, I, I feel like Zach took the, the critiques he was getting as if it was his own followers, right. That were saying it, and he, and he's being, and that's what you should do. He is like, he's listening. And once again, he is doing actually a pretty nice thing and saying, I'm listening.

Yeah. I'm ing maybe I'm off. Okay. If everyone's saying I'm wrong, I don't think it, he, I still think he's spot on. He was like, you know? Right. I get, he was a maybe, maybe wait him like, instead of jumping right into, fuck this guy, like, you shouldn't be married. [00:35:00] I, and I don't think, but I get it. But even what he said though, even while saying, get angry.

Yeah. It's, he's not wrong. I don't think Isaac guy should be married.

Regan: And again, this is another case of people who have low empathy, looking more logical or more levelheaded because they don't give a shit like. This guy, Zach, cared more about the treatment of this man's wife than the man cared about his wife.

Mm-hmm. He, he was so upset by this guy's disregard, and it's like, I don't know why he's so upset. It's like, you should be upset. Mm-hmm. If another man treated your wife with such disrespect. Right. I would hope it would bother you. Like it's a bad thing that Zach cares more than you do. Mm-hmm. And I think we see this play out so often where like somebody who does something really shitty.

Someone else gets upset by it and then they're like, God, they're really freaking out. I don't know what their problem is. They're very emotional. Mm-hmm. It's like what men do to women. Mm-hmm. Or like they do something horrible to you 'cause they don't give a shit. And then they're like, why are [00:36:00] you freaking out?

I don't care. Clearly that's why you did it. Mm-hmm. If you cared, you wouldn't have done it. Right. Mm. If you had empathy, you wouldn't have treated another human being that way. And I think we're seeing that here. And like there are cases in which I think. People will bring in their audience and genuinely mean like, genuinely don't.

Right. Don't contact this person, I am I off. Mm-hmm. But in cases, like you've mentioned, and this case where you can tell, it's definitely like a rallying cry, right? For you to go, go attack them. Like just showing that video, not giving any, like not giving any response other than basically being like, oh, he's kind of mean.

What do you guys think?

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Anybody who's been on the internet for over half a second. Would reasonably believe their followers are gonna go at that guy. Mm-hmm. Like reasonably. That it, that's a reasonable expectation.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: And so I, I think he probably assumed that's what would happen. Mm-hmm.

Because he didn't like the take.

Chesko: I would say there's one exception to that, the call out thing where, uh, I think that who [00:37:00] does it beautifully, if you ever wanna see someone who does the, responds to people calling them out, like consistently is cle. Have you seen, um, McClellan. He is a religious scholar, uh, one of those brilliant people online.

Oh, look at up. But he, uh, he will take down, like people will say like, oh, the Bible says that gay people shouldn't get married. And he'll be like, mm-hmm. Actually I'm a biblical scholar. Let me break down exactly why you're wrong. Or people will say that about. So he basically just breaks down all the different things.

And I think he legitimately me. He's, he's, it's great. Um, and the thing that I think pisses people off is that he's also deeply religious, right. But also as. He's like, he's a deeply religious person. Yeah. That is a biblical scholar that is published author that writes about this stuff and will cite all of the research that, that all biblical scholars agree on, showing why these people are wrong.

Uh, and Oh, I love that. For him, it's, it's, it's, I love it. His page is j It makes me so scared to talk about anything religion. Yikes. Because I'm like, my fear, my fear will be like, Chloe, let's hear it. Oh no. I was

Regan: wrong. I.[00:38:00]

I just get really tired of, um, when people act like assholes and then wanna pretend like they weren't being an asshole because it's like, that's the humor there though. That's what you're being, that's why it's funny.

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: Is because you're being a jerk. If you, if you take that out, there is no joke. Like if you do that exchange without her saying how much she stressed out.

Mm-hmm. And like your little cry face laughing like. Then there's nothing to it. Because the cruelty is the joke. The suffering is the joke. And like there are a lot of people who have that sense of humor.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Not my sense of humor, but like if that's who you are, then stand by it. It's crazy to post it on the internet as a big haha.

And then the second somebody acknowledges that, that's not a kind thing to do. Be like, oh, where's this coming from? It's like.

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: Uh, it's coming from exactly the place where you left it.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Which was a bad place.

Chesko: This, this [00:39:00] only stems from something we've talked about and many times before. You only can make a joke like this if you're in a relationship with someone you don't like.

You know, I honestly like, yeah, that's, you could, and I, you might say, you might say you love them, you might. Care for them, but you don't like them. Yeah. And I think there, I do think there is a different level that goes above and beyond, like, well, if I would die for that person, beautiful. That's fantastic.

But do you care about them being happy? Do you care about them? Like having a good life aside? Yeah. Or do you just care about keeping them alive so they can continue giving you

Regan: Yeah.

Chesko: Three things so they can continue taking care of you as a second mommy.

Regan: Like, what do you love about them outside of them facilitating your lifestyle?

Chesko: Because they'll always say, oh, she's a great mom. Oh, I love that she does my laundry. You know, I love that. It's never that and, and like, because I, I think about like my own situation, like with my wife. 'cause I, I, I don't. I usually because of the [00:40:00] fact that I have to travel mm-hmm. With my job sometimes a fair amount, uh, that I don't do stuff on the weekends.

'cause I'm like, right, oh cool, here's my chance to spend time with my wife and kids. Right. Here's my chance to actually be with the people that I do like spending time with. And like when I'm at a conference, I'm working right. This is me away for a job. I still feel like shit when, and, and of course she's going to vent to me because like, who else do you vent to?

Right. Other than your partner about the stuff that's going on. Like if the kids are having, you know, having a meltdown or there's something going on that that is going on, you vent to your partner. Yeah. And I feel like, and it's not me saying, she's not trying to make me feel like shit. Right. For being there.

Because I like her and I want her to be happy and I don't like that. I can't be there to assist. I feel like shit. Right. It's not funny. Never once have I been in a conference, uh, and like seeing, had her text me being like the kid because this is this, I've gotten these exact texts.

Yeah.

Hey. Do. When are you gonna be home or be in an event or something like that.

And I'll, and I'll be [00:41:00] like, I'm, I'm, I'm, and I will, I've left early before. I'm like, oh man, that sucks. This shit's, it's a really bad day with the kids. I'm gonna get outta there as quickly as I can to be back once again. 'cause I like my partner. It's, it's a simple little thing. There's nothing special about that.

So everyone should do that.

Regan: On that note, CHASCo, uh, this is not his first time PO posting an exchange. I have another one for you.

Chesko: Oh, no, I didn't, I didn't actually go through his, his profile.

Regan: I, it caught my eye. Okay. Uh, when you're speaking of like, I've gotten this type of text before and like

Chesko: mm-hmm.

Regan: A clear disdain for your partner.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: This is when he posted, Hey, I know you said golf would take a while, but it's already been two and a half hours. Next text, the kids are getting restless. The baby needs a bath and you promise you'd help with dinner tonight. No response. I just wanna know when you'll be home, so I'm not stuck doing everything again.[00:42:00]

It's not fair that your guide time always turns into an all day thing. His response letter O, letter K. Okay. And that's the haha funny joke that he posted.

Chesko: Hilarious. This guy needs to go on tour with Matt Rife.

Regan: Oh God. Women suck. Am I right?

Chesko: Am I right guys? Look at this. I, I promised her I'd be home to cook dinner tonight. Mm-hmm. And she has the audacity to wonder why I'm not gonna be home to cook dinner. Isn't that funny?

Regan: Oh my God. So at least one third of his content mm-hmm. Uh, in the recent past has been these exchanges from his wife begging him to come home.

So they might be real, they might be fake. I don't know if it's worse or better. I. I don't know if it's, you know,

Chesko: I don't, I don't know. And that's the, uh, because there have been many times, not I, I'm better at it now. I, I try to really [00:43:00] hard not fall for a quote unquote joke. Right. Um, where somebody will make a really shitty joke where the underlying message is something like, fucked up like this.

Mm-hmm. Um, and the, uh, I'll get responses like, well, that guy's a comedian. He's being funny. I was like, but what? Explain the joke. Right? What so funny about this? They're like, well, he's allowed to say that because the rest of his content is comedy. Uh, and it's like, well then what's funny about this though, right?

Um, you hear all the time where like, no, no. It's like there's, um, oh, what's his face? Um. I'm blanking on it. There was a, there was a guy that said, uh, I didn't realize, like my wife Ha had, was a person until like 10 years into our marriage, uh, that her, she actually had valid opinions about the world. Oh, I'm sure I saw

that.

That sounds familiar. It, it went pretty viral. This is a while back, but he's a, he's a known satirist that also. Has made many, many books that were serious books decrying how femini, uh, feminism has ruined [00:44:00] America. So I'm like, I know for a fact this guy's a shitty person, but the amount of people that were like, no, no.

Oh, Andrew Clavin is his name. Oh, yeah. And, and they were like, no, no. He's a satirist. He's making a joke. I'm like. No he is not, because he also made a follow up to that particular video doubling down on everything he said as being real anyway. But like, that's not funny though. Like that's, you were being

Regan: honest.

You have to look at like, what's the intent of the joke? What makes the joke funny? Like what's, where is, does the humor lie? If the humor lies, uh. Uh, like with the disparaging of someone.

Chesko: Mm-hmm. That's

Regan: not funny. Like if you're punching down mm-hmm. That's not funny. Who is it aimed at? And like, who finds it funny?

Because there have been plenty of satire people who are making jokes

Clip: Right.

Regan: But are not recognized as satire. Like there's a mm-hmm. Manosphere guy who is a sa a satire, satirist. Satist. Satirist. Mm-hmm. A satirist and like. [00:45:00] He is, I forget what his name is, he's like a bald head. He's like, so under the radar that he gets booked on these manosphere podcasts,

Chesko: Uhhuh,

Regan: and it's like there's a point at which if you are doing satire, but the only people laughing are the group that you're making fun of.

Mm-hmm. Like is, is the group that you are trying to showcase is stupid. Mm-hmm. If they're the only ones that enjoy your content and then mm-hmm. You do harm to the people who you supposedly agree with.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Then you have to reflect and realize it's no longer satire, it doesn't serve the purpose of satire anymore.

And have you

Chesko: heard of, uh, Anthony, Anthony Jeselnik, he's a comedian. Sounds

Regan: familiar.

Chesko: He is. His thing is making like really fucking offensive jokes and like, even for like, I think he's actually. I, I don't know, like there's a lot of, I think he's brilliant. Um, even though some of the stuff he says, I'm like, oh God, I wouldn't, but the reason, oh, I've seen him

Regan: before.

Chesko: Yeah. His whole thing is like you, because he [00:46:00] is, recently, he's been talking a lot about, like, he talked about Matt Rife specifically. Um, like he's not defending him, like he's critiquing Matt Rife cool. Um, and he's saying like, people keep saying, oh, you can't, you can't talk about stuff anymore. You can't be funny.

And he is like, you can talk about whatever the fuck you want. You just have to be funny. He was like, if the, if the joke is, look how edgy I am. Yeah. If the joke is, look how much I'm willing to say stuff that's not funny. If you're getting canceled because of your jokes, it's probably 'cause they weren't fucking funny.

And, and that's his whole, and he kind of went off in his whole rant. Um, and it's true. 'cause he's made, he's said stuff. That by all means, should have got him canceled. Like there, it's, it's like, like I said, I feel weird even saying that. I appreciate a fair amount of his humor. 'cause sometimes I'll even be like, oh no Anthony,

Regan: I've only seen him so I don't know.

His humor,

Chesko: the reason he gets away with it though is 'cause it, it, there is actually a punchline. It's actually a joke. Right. Right. And it's very clear that it's a joke, [00:47:00] even if it's a problematic joke. Mm-hmm. Where the joke is still the punchline as opposed to the joke is, yeah. Aren't. These people shitty.

Right? How are these people below me? A piece of shit? He's like, no. The joke is I'm a piece of shit in, in, in his, uh, yeah, in his comedy. It's kinda like, it's always sitting in Philadelphia.

Regan: Right.

Chesko: It's a great example of that, I think.

Regan: Well, so I, that's so weird. 'cause right before we got on the tour court, I saw a clip from Sarah Silverman.

Mm-hmm. Who, I'm not her biggest fan, but mm-hmm. Um, she was saying she was critiquing these comics who were like, ah, you can't say anything now. And she's like. Yes, you can. Mm-hmm. You can literally fucking say anything, but if your career and your persona is based on being the edgy comedian mm-hmm. But you don't want any consequence, there's no edge to that.

Right. Because the point of being edgy is that you know, you are saying something that's going to give you consequence that you could get in trouble and probably will. If you remove that element, if you think you should just be able to say whatever you want [00:48:00] and never have any consequence, then you're no longer edgy at all.

That's the whole point. Mm-hmm. You take on the risk.

Clip: Mm-hmm. When you

Regan: say edgy things. Mm-hmm. And so she's like, so what you are is just wanting to dodge all accountability and not stand behind your words, basically. Mm-hmm. And I was like, that's so true. 'cause there always, you just can't say anything. It's like, well, if you really are edgy, then you should.

Be willing to take the consequence. Right. Right. Because that's what makes you so edgy and, and like, ooh, he's, he's like willing to take risks and he'll say anything. It's like if, if everybody's handcuffed behind their backs and unable to then address the con, like give consequence to what you've said.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Then there is no edge at all. You're literally, you're literally just wanting to say mean things.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: And pat yourself on the back. But God, I don't wanna get in trouble. I don't want any consequence to what I said, which you, so also

Chesko: what consequences, Matt Rife is still selling out every arena he goes to Louis, CK is fucking selling out.

Regan: I can't without,

Chesko: I know. Like it's, there's, there is no, like the whole, it's, it's why it gets so upsetting [00:49:00] when people are like, oh, we're trying to cancel everything. You can't say anything. The, you guys are the ones literally selling out arenas not being funny.

Regan: Uh, uh, what's his name? Uh. Kevin Spacey just got like a humanitarian award, A lifetime, some

Chesko: sort of, yep.

Mm-hmm. Hold on, let's

Regan: look that up. 'cause that's, I saw that and I was like, oh, I'm gonna scream. Yeah. He accepted, uh, at the Cannes Film Festival

Chesko: Lifetime Achievement Award.

Regan: The Lifetime Achievement Award. And then, hold on, I have to find the quote because he, hold on. I wanna find it. He said something like, um.

It's crazy that it's brave to give an award to someone who's won everything they've ever ha gone up against in court. Uh, it's easier for us actors to play the heroes on screen. We get to fight the bad guys and stand up for justice, but in real life, the choices are not always so clear. There are times when one has to stand up for principle.

I've learned a lot from history. It often repeats itself. Who would've ever thought that honoring someone [00:50:00] who's been exonerated and. Every courtroom he's ever walked into would be thought of as a brave idea. But here we are. Like, you fucking dick.

Clip: Yeah. Like,

Regan: you know what I'm saying? Like it's like. Oh, these guys like, I've been blacklisted, I've been canceled.

You're dangerous.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: You're a threat for people to work with, and yet we say like blacklisted and canceled and, and these men are still working. Right. Look at the current president of the United States.

Chesko: Right.

Regan: You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. Where is the canceling? Show me someone who's actually been canceled.

Chesko: Right.

Regan: It's crazy when they wanna do horrific things. Say horrific things, do horrific things, and then wanna act like the victim

Chesko: constantly, literally. And it's like, and that's always the thing they throw back. Uh, when you talk about anything going on with, uh, with women, their actual fear of being actually harmed, physically harmed.[00:51:00]

Mm-hmm. And they're like, well, what about men? And the threat of being canceled of false allegations. This extremely, like, when you look at the stats of the amount of like, and I know like assaulted was like one in three women, isn't it? Harassed is something like. I don't even remember what it's, it's basically nearly a hundred percent of women by the time they, 14 or t It's like some young, I don't remember the, it is like 13, something like that.

It's bad, it's real bad. And then you go back to like the, what percentage of men are first off, getting accused of these things and then second, having their life ruined by a false accusation, right? The number, the percentage has gotta be. Because has it ever happened? Absolutely. Sure it is. There's been false accusations that have gone, uh, that have harmed somebody.

It's probably 1e-06%. I don't know any men. Right. But if I don't personally know a single man that has gone through this yet, I do know almost every woman I've ever known who has [00:52:00] gone through something horrific with men. Uh, from, from any, depending on how you wanna define that term, then it's not a fair comparison.

Then it's not the same thing, and I don't understand why it keeps being brought up as like the direct counter in these situations.

Regan: Well, the reputation of a theoretical man being ruined

Chesko: right,

Regan: holds just as much weight as the actual assault and violence against real women.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: There the fact that anyone compares the two.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: When we can say, no, this woman specifically was harmed by this man in this way. Right. And then someone will compare that to, well, what if this happens to some guy somewhere some time?

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: And they wanna act like that's the same.

Chesko: Right.

Regan: It's absolutely ridiculous. And again, there is no cancel.

Culture doesn't really exist because these men with power and privilege are never actually canceled.

Chesko: Mm-hmm. And

Regan: like sometimes it's just called consequence.

Chesko: Right. You

Regan: act shitty. You assault [00:53:00] people. Yeah. Maybe people don't want you on set because you're a liability. I don't think that it's usually for moral reasons in the industry.

Mm-hmm. It's not like they're like, well, he's bad. Usually it's like, oh, he's a literal liability. Like he

Chesko: Right.

Regan: We can't have him on set. We can't afford to have him on set.

Chesko: Yeah. The reality of the world is that the majority of people, like not even just doing minor things, but doing horrific things will have zero consequences.

Regan: Yes. Statistically, that's, it's like statistically 99% of all.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Like, so, like 1% of people who are assaulted get justice if that

Chesko: mm-hmm.

Regan: Even, because it's still,

Chesko: it's, it's a very difficult thing to prove.

Regan: And even like, and that's people who absolutely were assaulted. Mm-hmm. No question. Mm-hmm. And mostly know their attacker.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Still mm-hmm. 1%. So, and what justice at that? Yeah. Like, what does that mean? Because usually it's a, I've seen so many cases where, who, well his, again, speaking of hypotheticals, his. Potential for the future. His hypothetical potential in his future [00:54:00] mm-hmm. Is so important that we can't bear to put him in jail for too long, like Brock Turner.

Mm-hmm. Because hypothetically he could be a great guy. Mm-hmm. Versus the real life harm that's already happened to the woman and, and her hypothetical future before he got there.

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: Like that's craziness. It's so crazy.

Chesko: Yeah. I don't know how we got to down to this path, but it's important to talk about

Regan: golf cancellations.

That's how,

Chesko: yeah. Any who? Oh, joke. Making jokes and then getting cat. Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I always wonder there's a thread where there was a thread. I know it's there.

Regan: Sorry. Listeners, we've gone down a rabbit hole.

Chesko: No, you're welcome listeners. You're

Regan: welcome. Listeners

Chesko: for coming along on our rabbit hole.

Regan: I don't like the way that sounds. Yeah. Um, anywho, well point being, don't weaponize golf against mm-hmm. Your wife or your partner. And don't, don't think humiliating your wife in public is funny.

Chesko: That's as simple as you would think. That's an easy thing to ask. [00:55:00]

Regan: I know. Stop humiliating your wife for your own public gain.

They're like, what?

Chesko: Like how dare you

Regan: let me make an AI song?

Chesko: Yeah. Uh, where can people find us? Reagan?

Regan: You know what? If you wanna see our faces when we do podcasts, you can find us on YouTube. We also have the Patreon pre-show, which we do every single week. It's. A full hour of us talking. It's a little more unhinged.

Checo likes it better. I shared

Chesko: a lot of embarrassing things about me today. Today was, today was a, a smorgasbord of very embarrassing things in my life that I do not, I will not be sharing on the internet, but joy if,

Regan: if you wanna find it.

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: Uh, and we also have our Instagram and then our own personal Instagrams and tiktoks.

So yes, we're all those places. And other than that, we will see you next week.

Chesko: And

Regan: I'm back baby. You still have to do that on TikTok. You still have. I did it on

Chesko: one. I did it on one.

Regan: Okay. I'll have to find it.

Chesko: Love you all. [00:56:00] Okay.

Regan: Love you guys. Bye. Bye.