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Transcript for Episode 15: The Characters that Live With Us

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Tall Girl: Welcome to sense, sensibility, and chaos, where fictional characters laugh.

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Tall Girl: welcome to sense, sensibility, and chaos, where fictional characters live rent-free in our heads, and we will never let them move out.

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Busy: I am busy. I may have planned a trip to Middle Earth to see if Sam would be at the Green Dragon.

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WellRead: I'm well read. I still think about Beth from little women at least once a month. I'm not well.

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Tall Girl: And I'm tall girl. I haven't been able to rewatch Anne of Green Gables since Jonathan Crombie died.

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Tall Girl: Oh, my God! I took it personally like he left me honestly, I might still be in mourning.

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Busy: Girl, you. Okay.

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Tall Girl: Literally just choked.

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Busy: I know.

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WellRead: Oh!

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Busy: I don't even want to continue with the Intro. Today's episode is all about the fictional characters that shaped us, the ones that we wish we could forget, and the ones that we've gotten so attached to we might wish we lived in their world.

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WellRead: Whether you'd like to live in the hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy timeline, or just plain not in the one that we found ourselves in this episode is for you.

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Tall Girl: So grab a homebrew of your favorite mead, and let's jump into why we get so attached to fictional characters.

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Busy: Oh, I think we need to do a wellness check before we go on. Were you okay? There.

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Tall Girl: Dude. I can still remember being in the office when the notice of, like Anne of Green Gables character died, and I was like.

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Busy: Girl. We were in the car together. We were in New York City.

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Tall Girl: Is that where we were.

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Tall Girl: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

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Busy: She was driving. She was in the front. I was in the back, and I think I got it on a notification, and we were in traffic. It was night time. No, I don't remember all the details, and.

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Tall Girl: And you got the

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Tall Girl: so the like. How he died. Story came through at the office, I remember, like I shut my door and I cried, and I was like, what do you mean? He passed away. People were like he was so nice on the bus on the way down. We didn't notice right away, and I was like.

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Tall Girl: for an actor I never met

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Tall Girl: was only ever in the same country with accidentally, and didn't even know it.

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WellRead: So. This is not a fictional character, however.

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Tall Girl: Played the greatest fictional character.

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WellRead: He did.

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WellRead: He did.

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Tall Girl: I think it was just because in my head I saw the movie first, st and then I read the books.

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Tall Girl: and in my head I convoluted the 2, and he became my forever boyfriend, like just.

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Busy: Well, he's just.

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WellRead: Listen, Gilbert Blythe is unparalleled.

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WellRead: There is no other character

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WellRead: that I can think of of the many, many, many, many, many, many, many books I've read to which

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WellRead: can be can be compared to Gilbert Blythe, like there's there's no.

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Busy: A friend of mine was doing a study with a group of women from our church, and they did Anna Green Gables. And it's been over 4, 3, 4 months that most of the women have never seen it, never read the books, so I know. So they went through the whole thing from like

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Busy: the all 3. They even did the continuing one and

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Busy: they got to a point, and they were talking about the actors, and she waited until the end of the second movie to explain that Jonathan had died. And we're now at the point where a chat with her and one of our other friends will say Stuff! And the friend who's new to the Ann world is still catching on. It's not as

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Busy: like the way the 3 of us are with. It's just in our lingo.

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Busy: Oh.

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Busy: but we're like we we know this inside out. I'm like, I specifically remember I was in 6th grade

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Busy: when

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Busy: my friend at the time introduced me this she's like, have you ever heard of angering Gables? I'm like, no, what's that? And then we watched it, and my life was forever changed.

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WellRead: I was 10, and my mom gave me her books from when she was a little girl.

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Busy: Oh!

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WellRead: So I got to read those before I saw the.

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Busy: Yeah. One of the women, I think, in the group has grandchild, and she's so excited because she's

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Busy: she's going to be bringing this now to her granddaughter to read and meet, and I never read all of them. I think I maybe started the 1st one, and then I just never did, because the movie was just so perfect. So that's 1 of my to do things is go and read the book and

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Busy: fall in love. But I did see there is a good book. I told. Well, read about this called Marilla

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Busy: of

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WellRead: Marilla of Green Gables.

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Busy: Marilla Green Gables. It was read some book, and it is written about Marilla from when she was younger, and it is really well done.

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WellRead: It is very well done. I have to say.

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Busy: Very well done, and if any readers or listeners are out there who are and fans, I highly recommend reading that one.

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Busy: It. It was well incorporated into the books. And

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Busy: but who else has been? Who's left an impression on you that.

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Tall Girl: I will say I thought I was going to be best friends with Laura Ingalls. Wilder like I figured when we grew up. Someday we would just meet on the street, and I would be besties with her. I would then explain to her why you didn't need to get excited about an orange for Christmas like.

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Tall Girl: Really I wanted to meet her, to explain the reprioritization of Christmas expectations, but, like

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Tall Girl: it explains why I just want to move to Vermont and live in a Woodblock cabin like.

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Busy: No, no, I think you're confusing things she didn't do.

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Busy: Did she do little women? That was.

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Tall Girl: Perry.

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WellRead: Little house on the yeah Lauren angles. Wilder was little house on the prairie.

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Busy: But she was. She rode in Vermont.

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Tall Girl: No, but I'm I'm not moving to the States that don't like women and their reproductive organs. So, Monce, it is.

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Busy: I thought we were confusing little women, and I was like I was confused for a moment. But that's fair.

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Tall Girl: No like baby boom without the baby

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Tall Girl: and a local vet who just can't wait for me to be strong, independent, and dominate the food

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Tall Girl: baby business.

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Busy: What about you? Red.

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WellRead: Well, this will come as a surprise to nobody but Fox Mulder and Dana Scully.

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Busy: Hold the phone.

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Tall Girl: What?

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Busy: We've been friends this long.

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WellRead: Let's see who else? Superman.

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Busy: Hmm.

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WellRead: And Lois Lane live rent-free in my head.

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WellRead: Although I do make them work for it.

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WellRead: Belgarion from the Belgariad and his motley crew of friends and family.

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WellRead: I mean I I have such lists.

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WellRead: so many characters of rent free in my head.

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Busy: I think for me, I would probably say Lucille, Lucille, Lucy Ricardo.

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Busy: I'm a very big. I love Lucy Fan and so

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Busy: not necessarily like how the time was. I think it's that I love the 50.

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WellRead: The screwball aspect of it.

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Busy: Yeah.

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WellRead: Screwball comedies are hard to come by now and nowadays, so.

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Busy: Yeah, that's totally understandable in a lot of ways and classic.

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WellRead: And it all gets wrapped up in 25 min, and.

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Busy: God, love them.

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WellRead: Yeah.

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Tall Girl: But also she makes that work look effortless. It's like a ginger, Rogers kind of like, if you look back at it now, you're like, yeah, we can't do this because nobody wants to put the work in at a time when people were like, Oh, she's a dumb female.

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Tall Girl: She made Lucille ball or sorry.

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Busy: Lucy Ricardo.

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Tall Girl: Ricardo.

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WellRead: Ricardo.

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Tall Girl: She like? She made her effortless and lovable, and so much work went into it that, like as you get older, you're like holy crap.

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Busy: Yeah, absolutely.

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Tall Girl: Like golden girls like all of us saw it growing up, and we all saw the reruns. And it was like, Oh, okay. And and now it's like life goals, hashtag life, goals.

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WellRead: Absolutely. Yeah. Those are 4. Well, 5 more characters that live, Rent free. In my head. Lucy Ricardo is another one.

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Tall Girl: I watched designing women in Covid, which I didn't.

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WellRead: Oh, so good!

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Tall Girl: Those women are so ahead of their damn time, and like I will put you in your place. This is how life should be like. I would rather lose business than deal with your racist behind like.

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Tall Girl: That should be required, watching for.

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Busy: But I mean I love it, but I've never watched it.

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Tall Girl: No.

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WellRead: It really up.

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Tall Girl: And realizing it, came out in the eighties nineties like when this was not nearly as cool for them to be this bold, outspoken like now, it's like, Oh, of course, yeah, women would be like, girl. Get your

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Tall Girl: no, no.

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Busy: Got it.

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Tall Girl: Sadly, though a lot of the topics are like, Oh, we still don't accept the gay community I'm like, Oh, good God! Are we still living this.

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Busy: Any characters from movies that you think like

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Busy: actual movies, not movies necessarily based on books or.

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Tall Girl: Look. I don't think there's a female on earth who doesn't have a special place for Jake Ryan.

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Tall Girl: 16 candles. Jake Ryan.

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Busy: Oh, yeah, I don't.

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WellRead: No.

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Tall Girl: God.

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WellRead: No, I never.

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Busy: I never really watched them.

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Tall Girl: When I was younger, and now it's problematic, and that was also a breakup to be like. Oh, yes, he did sell his girlfriend for a 6 pack of beer and a ride home, I'm like, Oh, my God!

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Tall Girl: I had a babysitter who showed me like Breakfast Club, 16 candles like whatever.

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Tall Girl: And then, as an adult, you're like, oh, the problems!

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Tall Girl: Oh, the problems! And then, Molly ringwald!

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Tall Girl: Came out with that New Yorker article! And she was like.

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Tall Girl: oh, let me break down for you how bad it is!

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Busy: No, those weren't I.

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WellRead: I never got into Jake Ryan either.

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Tall Girl: If some dude pulls up and rolled jeans, and and just like an overcompensation red corvette, something or other.

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Tall Girl: you might never see me again. Just know it doesn't take a like a.

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WellRead: sketchy van.

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Tall Girl: Some like good chocolate, just just some rolled jeans and an argyle sweater.

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Busy: That's fine.

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Busy: This is a very completely out of the box, I think.

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Busy: for me. I have a lot of like

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Busy: some of the movies, that when I was a child, that my family would watch to stop me, to calm down and like either sit still or go to sleep.

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Busy: So.

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WellRead: 10 brides, with 7 brothers.

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Busy: Oh, yes, that that was.

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WellRead: Adam Adam Pontapee.

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Busy: Oh, Benjamin.

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WellRead: Benjamin,

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Busy: He's not a dancer, but that's fine. We could dance other ways, I'm just saying, but he

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Busy: he is so good looking

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Busy: in that. And he was like one of the actors who was not a dancer. But I'm saying young, I'm talking like 5, 6, so like

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Busy: Mary Poppins.

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WellRead: Bed, knobs and broomsticks.

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Tall Girl: And then I'm like, I got questions.

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Busy: Obviously, though, these movies were before my well years before my time. But Mary Poppins is on. Repeat, and not the room 6 with.

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WellRead: Mhm

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Busy: Angela Land Berry Darby O'gill, and the Little People, which Sean Connery.

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Busy: I think that's, you know, could explain why I have a thing for, like Irish British accent.

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Busy: But

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Busy: I also, when you look at some of the females in all those movies, I don't understand how my family missed

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Busy: that I would be so opinionated.

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Busy: And pushing. I'm like, did you not see the movies you made me watch like this is drilled into my head. I could recite these the lines without even being near a TV or having them play. And you are surprised that I'm opinionated, outspoken, and quite hard headed. My God, that is an epic fail on your part.

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Busy: But some of the women in those book, those movies like Mary Poppins, who's like, Yeah, I'm gonna come in and fix things. Oh, wait a minute.

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Busy: Okay, sorry. Another little moment of myself of like

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Busy: this explains some of me. But she.

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Tall Girl: To dose people with spoonfuls of morphine.

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Busy: No, not so much that, but just the item coming in. And just

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Busy: I'm gonna take charge of this.

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Busy: Oh, yeah, okay. Sorry listeners. That was a self realization moment. But, like Katie, was a very. She was a daughter, and her

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Busy: Aging parent. She was just taking charge of the household and what he needed to do, and Angela Landsbury plays a very what's her name? Something?

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Busy: Oh, I forget. Her name will come to me, but she again. Very take charge.

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Busy: And when you think about when those movies were recorded.

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Busy: it's kind of like a little.

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Busy: I mean in in Mary Poppins. You have Mrs. Banks singing about, though we adore men

WellRead: Suffrage.

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Busy: individually we agree that as a group they're rather stupid.

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WellRead: Rather stupid.

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Busy: Like very ballsy, for like sick late sixties and all. So yeah, those are some of the characters who are comfort to me from my childhood.

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Busy: So it has nothing to do with, you know.

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Busy: romance, or like perfect guys, they just were like

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Busy: and also from Pete's Dragon, Nora. I think her name was Nora Nora, who is.

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WellRead: Some of your influences there.

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Busy: Yeah. Yeah. All strong women. So surprising.

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WellRead: I've watched a lot of those same movies.

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WellRead: So I guess.

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Tall Girl: Because she always went on like crazy ass adventures, but never like it always worked out in some way. And I'm just like how she never really actually get in trouble. It's always like, Oh, isn't she cute? She saved the world like. But but when I do it the fire department gets called.

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Tall Girl: Explain explain.

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Busy: At Eglotine Price. Miss Price was Angela.

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Tall Girl: Oh!

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WellRead: Egallantine, I think a Egallentine.

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Busy: Yeah, I'm butchering that. Sorry to anyone who has that name that I butchered that for you.

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Busy: I will work.

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WellRead: But that's a good point is that some of the stuff that you watch when you're a kid

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WellRead: hits harder than the stuff that you watch when you're an adult.

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WellRead: Like those things that found you in your formative years somehow changed you and and informed the person that you are today.

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Busy: I'm pretty much convinced that when I did band in grade school I wanted to do the violin, but they didn't have that, and I think I wanted to do the violin, because.

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Busy: In Darby O'gill, they play the fiddle, but I ended up with the flute, which would make sense because I also my parents played a lot of reruns reruns of hr puffin stuff.

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WellRead: Hmm.

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Busy: He has a magic flute. Listen.

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Busy: My childhood had some weird out of the like

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Busy: box movies that were just played for me.

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Busy: So explain.

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Tall Girl: In fairness. The movies that were made before we were born were highly influenced by substances. So what was available to watch.

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Tall Girl: you know, for free reruns on whatever network, daytime TV.

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WellRead: This is true.

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Tall Girl: Hmm.

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WellRead: This is very true.

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Tall Girl: Yeah.

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Busy: So why do we think that people get attached to fictional characters instead.

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Tall Girl: Because, they're perfect.

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Busy: People. People name their children after them. They have

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Busy: displays in their rooms, you know, or the houses they have tattoos.

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Busy: they they go on retreats where you act out.

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Busy: You know you have the Bridgerton kind of balls, and all like. Why do people get so attached.

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Tall Girl: You want to answer that with your book, themed tattoo?

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Tall Girl: Are are you asking this question of yourself like? Oh, let me set myself up for the perfect answer, seeing as I have one on my body.

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Busy: But that tattoo will be replaced as the author has become a complete.

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WellRead: Problematic.

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Busy: Asshole. But that works too problematic works as well. That is getting Redone.

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WellRead: Yep.

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Busy: So we're not gonna discuss that one. But in general.

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WellRead: I think that fictional characters are in some ways our very 1st friends.

00:46:30.070 → 00:46:36.850

WellRead: They are nonjudgmental of us.

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Busy: Oh, we might judge the hell out of that.

00:46:39.570 → 00:46:44.209

WellRead: We might judge the hell out of them, although that typically comes later with discernment.

00:46:45.560 → 00:46:53.040

WellRead: But when we play with them in our heads. Or when we

00:46:53.400 → 00:46:57.039

WellRead: do whatever we we develop an attachment. So

00:46:59.020 → 00:47:04.669

WellRead: what ends up happening as we get older is that we just keep forming these kind of parasocial

00:47:04.810 → 00:47:11.100

WellRead: relationships and having emotional projections onto

00:47:12.290 → 00:47:16.800

WellRead: fictional characters. It allows it allows us to feel safer in a lot of ways than

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WellRead: the real world might.

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Busy: Think there's also.

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Tall Girl: They will never leave you. They will never grow old. You can pick them up and put them down at your leisure.

00:47:26.950 → 00:47:31.550

Tall Girl: Gilbert is forever 21 years old, for now.

00:47:31.550 → 00:47:33.320

WellRead: And Unconditionally loving.

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Busy: I think there's also a sense of depending on where you grew up and how you grew up.

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Busy: So you know, I grew up in the New Jersey New York area. But

00:47:46.010 → 00:47:50.860

Busy: I did not have. I was not living in Ireland, where you know

00:47:51.220 → 00:48:02.950

Busy: Darby O'Gill was, or in the the New England area for Pete's Dragon. So it transports you there, depending on the type of book, and or you know.

00:48:03.430 → 00:48:04.899

WellRead: You can have a little adventure.

00:48:04.900 → 00:48:07.699

Busy: The world. It might have magic in it. It might have

00:48:08.428 → 00:48:15.429

Busy: fantasy. So you could pretend that you are. Have a protector dragon

00:48:15.630 → 00:48:18.911

Busy: who helps you out when you need

00:48:19.560 → 00:48:27.790

Busy: And for you know, sometimes they're people. They're they're just their personal life sucks. And this is somewhere to escape to where.

00:48:28.320 → 00:48:37.199

Busy: For all the reasons that you 2 both mentioned, like, it's safe. You know what to expect. You know what you're gonna get, even if it's based, I think, sometimes on like real life.

00:48:37.460 → 00:48:41.710

Busy: And you know what's gonna happen within that time, like

00:48:42.720 → 00:48:49.610

Busy: sound of music. Yes, is obviously based off of the real Von traps. But obviously there's a huge adjustment

00:48:49.800 → 00:48:52.090

Busy: to what the actual story is.

00:48:52.320 → 00:48:54.899

Busy: But we know in that movie

00:48:55.680 → 00:48:58.620

Busy: that how they got away, what happened.

00:48:58.800 → 00:49:10.050

Busy: and that, you know, went well, not how it truly happened, but for that particular way. So I mean, that's a little bit off to it. But I'm just saying like, in some ways, you know.

00:49:10.440 → 00:49:16.919

Busy: you know, this is how my characters are living on. This is how they survive. This is.

00:49:17.360 → 00:49:23.370

WellRead: Yeah, I think there's also having those things in

00:49:25.910 → 00:49:28.850

WellRead: having those same experiences as other people.

00:49:29.030 → 00:49:35.700

WellRead: It allows you to relate to people around you as well, because you had the same experience watching

00:49:36.380 → 00:49:37.830

WellRead: those things.

00:49:39.180 → 00:49:40.680

Busy: The hand flex.

00:49:40.680 → 00:49:41.860

WellRead: Oh, the hand flex.

00:49:42.600 → 00:49:50.740

Busy: The fact that what is that? Show that just came out with something, Goody, Matthew, Goody.

00:49:50.740 → 00:49:51.280

WellRead: Matthew, Goode.

00:49:51.280 → 00:49:52.219

Tall Girl: Oh, department queue.

00:49:53.830 → 00:49:59.940

Busy: And there's that. There's a clip that goes on, and his hand is outside the couch. I haven't watched the show yet, but

00:50:00.120 → 00:50:04.520

Busy: he has a slight hand, Flex, and I mean someone knew what they were doing.

00:50:05.300 → 00:50:07.560

Busy: The Flex heard heard around the world.

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Tall Girl: Well, it's people like us who've had what pride and Prejudice is 20 years old now, so like that's a generation that grew up probably on their mom watching the hand flex. And now they get to make their own hand. Flex shows, as you know, the homage to.

00:50:22.080 → 00:50:31.149

Tall Girl: I mean, like growing up, Harold, in the purple Crown Indian in the cupboard. Kind of things like, make your own kind of like you can create the.

00:50:31.150 → 00:50:31.909

WellRead: Light at the end of the Forest.

00:50:31.910 → 00:50:36.379

Tall Girl: Sure you don't have to sit around and wait for an adventure to come to you. You make it.

00:50:36.560 → 00:50:38.250

Busy: Here's a good one hook.

00:50:40.280 → 00:50:44.509

WellRead: Johnny Tremaine. Did anybody else read Johnny Tremaine in like 7th and 8th grade?

00:50:44.560 → 00:50:45.430

Busy: No.

00:50:45.950 → 00:50:46.560

WellRead: Well.

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Tall Girl: I swear to God we grew up like 25 miles from each other, but, like

00:50:51.800 → 00:50:53.709

Tall Girl: I don't know what was going on where

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WellRead: We were all we were reading of mice and men at at the same time as Johnny Tremaine. We were reading of mice and men in literature, and Johnny Tremaine in history class, and I had an excellent education

00:51:07.790 → 00:51:13.999

WellRead: when I when I tell you the the education that I had was I? I redid some of the stuff in high school.

00:51:15.020 → 00:51:19.600

WellRead: Like I have. I had to reread some of the same stuff in high school that I had already read in.

00:51:19.760 → 00:51:26.460

WellRead: Middle and grammar school, because we were that far advanced in our education. So.

00:51:27.490 → 00:51:43.440

Tall Girl: I got in trouble because most of the story time books like in the younger grades I had already read. So it's like, it's story time. We're going to read you the Golden Cow I'm like, Oh, my God! I have read this like 4,000 times like, why don't I just read it for you. You can go take a cigarette break. I'll be here.

00:51:43.860 → 00:51:51.490

Tall Girl: She's like your daughter really does follow along. My mom was like, Yeah, there's probably not a story she hasn't heard already. So good luck to you.

00:52:26.650 → 00:52:29.930

Busy: What is a character that you would protect at all costs.

00:52:32.470 → 00:52:33.590

WellRead: Oh!

00:52:39.830 → 00:52:45.030

Busy: Trying to think of a character that maybe dies in the book, the movie, the series, whatever.

00:52:45.620 → 00:52:47.359

WellRead: PrimRose everdeen.

00:52:48.450 → 00:52:49.330

Busy: Really.

00:52:55.430 → 00:53:00.659

Tall Girl: I don't like in lovely bones, I sobbed. During the 1st 2 chapters of that.

00:53:00.660 → 00:53:01.060

WellRead: Can't.

00:53:01.060 → 00:53:09.309

Tall Girl: I like book club. I was just shattered. They were like, Okay, and I inevitably read the book like 3 days before Book club. But

00:53:09.890 → 00:53:15.929

Tall Girl: like I would love to protect her. But at the same time that is not a book. If I protect her at all costs, it's like

00:53:16.040 → 00:53:19.090

Tall Girl: In the moment.

00:53:19.090 → 00:53:20.180

WellRead: Yeah it doesn't turn out well for her.

00:53:20.180 → 00:53:24.219

Tall Girl: Yes, and then, by the end of the book, it's like, Okay, but in a weird way.

00:53:29.630 → 00:53:38.249

Tall Girl: I don't know if I would protect anybody. There are ones that I am protective of when somebody's like. Oh, my God! I hate that book, and I'm like what is fundamentally wrong with you like.

00:53:39.080 → 00:53:43.839

Tall Girl: There, you must be a psychopath like it's just how could you not.

00:53:44.320 → 00:53:49.380

Busy: We. I was just having a friend, a discussion with a friend this week about secret garden and.

00:53:49.380 → 00:53:50.190

WellRead: Oh!

00:53:50.190 → 00:53:51.130

Busy: That's 10.

00:53:51.130 → 00:53:52.130

Tall Girl: There's another one.

00:53:52.130 → 00:53:56.400

Busy: The same group that's doing that, did. Anna Green Gables will be doing the secret garden next.

00:53:56.640 → 00:54:02.030

Busy: And she was going to incorporate the movie aspect, and I was talking about the Maggie Smith.

00:54:03.230 → 00:54:30.100

Busy: So she downloaded the movie. And she's like, I don't understand how you watch it. So she's watching this, and she's going on. And at the last, like 1520 min. She calls me up, and she said, I just realized that, despite the fact that I put this in the search for me to purchase that movie. It gave me like a 19 seventies version. And Maggie Smith is not in this. She goes. I was really considering that there's something wrong with you, because this acting is so horrible.

00:54:31.210 → 00:54:37.689

Busy: I was like, Oh, my God! I don't know how you could hate this version. Everyone loves the Maggie Smith like, what is it? 93, 97. Something in that range.

00:54:37.690 → 00:54:38.280

WellRead: Yeah.

00:54:38.280 → 00:54:38.770

Tall Girl: Yeah.

00:54:38.770 → 00:54:39.200

WellRead: Yeah.

00:54:39.200 → 00:54:39.810

Busy: That is.

00:54:39.810 → 00:54:42.289

WellRead: And the little Princess from that time range.

00:54:42.600 → 00:54:43.930

Busy: That is a good one.

00:54:44.780 → 00:54:53.960

Tall Girl: Will say so, like Anne of Green Gables from the eighties versus Anne, with an E. When people like Oh, my God! Anne, with an E is like life defining. And I'm like.

00:54:54.150 → 00:55:05.960

Tall Girl: Gilbert went on, a ship and shoveled coal to the what. No, I would protect 1983, 85. I don't know when it came out.

00:55:06.080 → 00:55:12.730

Tall Girl: I would protect that. I would protect her with my life. If we never made another Anne anything. I would be okay.

00:55:12.730 → 00:55:14.949

Busy: You know what I actually had a thought of.

00:55:14.950 → 00:55:15.660

WellRead: Hmm.

00:55:15.660 → 00:55:22.140

Busy: What it would be like if if hold yourself. I'm not suggesting they do this, but if they've redid that.

00:55:22.480 → 00:55:30.460

Busy: but where Megan follows kind of portrays, either like Marilla or

00:55:31.830 → 00:55:41.900

Tall Girl: She is coming back for something. There was some announcement, and I forget what it is, and it's been in the back of my brain all day, but she is. They're doing another Anne of Green Gables, but somehow she's a part of it. So I'm like, I think she might.

00:55:42.420 → 00:55:43.200

Busy: I'm saying.

00:55:43.200 → 00:55:50.100

Tall Girl: It will kill my soul that she's like, I don't know 35, 40 in real life, and she's about to play Marilla, which I think will strike.

00:55:50.760 → 00:55:52.999

WellRead: She's older than that. She's older than that.

00:55:53.000 → 00:55:54.160

Busy: She's closer to 50.

00:56:33.060 → 00:56:35.219

WellRead: Megan Megan follows, has to be what? 57?

00:56:35.220 → 00:56:36.039

Busy: Well, thanks. Bye, bye.

00:56:36.040 → 00:56:36.590

Tall Girl: It's gotta be.

00:56:36.590 → 00:56:41.520

Busy: Hold on! Hold on! I'm gonna hold both your hands while I throw this break.

00:56:41.520 → 00:56:41.970

Tall Girl: She's.

00:56:41.970 → 00:56:42.290

Busy: Take care!

00:56:42.290 → 00:56:44.029

Tall Girl: Steve, I'm gonna lose my mind.

00:56:44.030 → 00:56:47.610

Busy: I'm gonna hold! Listen! Hold! Hold me! Stay with me here.

00:56:47.610 → 00:56:48.120

WellRead: Okay.

00:56:48.120 → 00:56:51.480

Busy: Relis is 52. When Han arrives.

00:56:51.950 → 00:56:56.670

Tall Girl: He was 60. Megan is currently 57.

00:56:57.710 → 00:56:58.950

WellRead: I just told you 57.

00:56:58.950 → 00:57:08.389

Busy: Oh, my God! That was like a pterodactyl! So I listen. I kissed the brick before I throw it, and I covered it in like cotton and soft.

00:57:08.390 → 00:57:10.739

Tall Girl: Our next episode, my emotional trauma.

00:57:12.569 → 00:57:14.080

Tall Girl: Heavy Breathing.

00:57:14.080 → 00:57:15.059

Tall Girl: And crying.

00:57:15.060 → 00:57:20.060

Busy: I put it in a squishmallow before I throw it at you, but I did throw it with purpose. Cheese.

00:57:20.060 → 00:57:21.799

Tall Girl: In my head, I know, but

00:57:22.360 → 00:57:25.030

Tall Girl: also on an episode of like law and order. Svu and.

00:57:25.400 → 00:57:32.450

Tall Girl: Like. No, just no, no, you are, and I get it like actors get typecast.

00:57:32.610 → 00:57:41.820

Tall Girl: I think, because it was so beloved, and it was just so well done. It's like pride and prejudice like there are people who just have the attachment to like that version because it was

00:57:42.510 → 00:57:45.810

Tall Girl: you couldn't have asked kind of for more. It just hit right.

00:57:47.580 → 00:57:59.580

Tall Girl: If you had called Anne with an E just like redheaded girl on a Prince Edward Island, like redheaded girl on an island who got adopted, I would have been fine with it. The fact that you tried to like.

00:58:01.140 → 00:58:02.140

Busy: It wasn't.

00:58:02.300 → 00:58:08.510

Busy: It was okay the 1st season and all. But I I get your opinion. Another one who I love.

00:58:08.630 → 00:58:12.709

Busy: And again, there, there's a there's a theme here with me.

00:58:13.360 → 00:58:16.950

Busy: Maggie Smith, in Downton Abbey as a dowager.

00:58:16.950 → 00:58:17.870

WellRead: Hmm.

00:58:18.140 → 00:58:20.240

Busy: Flipping love her character.

00:58:21.250 → 00:58:23.809

Busy: Okay, you didn't watch it, or you don't watch it.

00:58:23.810 → 00:58:27.500

WellRead: I've seen like 4 episodes of Downton Abbey ever. Wow!

00:58:27.660 → 00:58:28.760

Busy: That's fine!

00:58:29.140 → 00:58:32.330

Tall Girl: I don't. I want. I want to be.

00:58:32.330 → 00:58:33.180

WellRead: Wanted to like it.

00:58:33.180 → 00:58:33.910

Tall Girl: But like

00:58:34.110 → 00:58:39.059

Tall Girl: I I just I don't. I don't know if I just didn't get into it the right time or something, but I'm like.

00:58:39.060 → 00:58:49.179

Busy: I don't connect to like the the whole glamorized Royal, and and that that I don't connect, because that's not what does it? It's a character for me. So Maggie is just

00:58:49.530 → 00:58:52.230

Busy: constantly spitting out.

00:58:52.940 → 00:58:54.950

WellRead: Truth and fire.

00:58:54.950 → 00:58:57.660

Busy: Oh, my God! Is it glorious!

00:58:57.660 → 00:58:58.819

Tall Girl: Her body of work.

00:58:58.820 → 00:58:59.619

WellRead: What is a weekend?

00:58:59.620 → 00:59:00.300

Tall Girl: Then.

00:59:00.300 → 00:59:05.040

Busy: Oh, the stuff, she says, and I think also because

00:59:05.526 → 00:59:12.889

Busy: though I may not have displayed it on the podcast both of you would probably test. That tends to be my tone, and sometimes

00:59:13.000 → 00:59:13.734

Busy: very

00:59:16.130 → 00:59:19.050

Busy: Just random fire might come out.

00:59:19.890 → 00:59:23.979

Tall Girl: Oh, oh, I could protect Schmidt from New Girl.

00:59:24.350 → 00:59:25.190

Busy: Never watch that.

00:59:25.190 → 00:59:27.140

WellRead: Oh, yeah.

00:59:27.140 → 00:59:33.110

Tall Girl: Because he's just so perfectly. Whatever like I I never want reality to bust his bubble.

00:59:33.110 → 00:59:43.600

WellRead: The payoff. The payoff for Schmidt's character is some of the best payoff that you get, especially in modern television. It is it is 100%

00:59:44.200 → 00:59:45.530

WellRead: worth the watch.

00:59:46.051 → 00:59:48.429

Tall Girl: And everybody else are good rest of my life.

00:59:48.430 → 00:59:51.639

WellRead: Actually, yes, Jess and everybody else are great.

00:59:52.175 → 00:59:58.219

WellRead: It's it's an exceptional show, really great ensemble work. But Schmidt's character is is where the payoff.

00:59:58.220 → 01:00:02.710

Tall Girl: Like everybody else, is attached to friends, and I'm like no new girl.

01:00:02.710 → 01:00:05.399

Busy: I I enjoyed it when it was on.

01:00:05.620 → 01:00:10.760

Busy: It's just, you know. It's something I know pretty well, but not to the point that I

01:00:11.190 → 01:00:13.370

Busy: as I was at when I was younger.

01:00:13.700 → 01:00:26.840

Tall Girl: I watched it on an airplane. I guess it must have just been whatever, and I was like. Sure I'll watch this, whatever he had been in Veronica Mars. And I just was like, Oh, okay, I know his face like I'll watch this whatever. So I think I got like 5 episodes in before I landed.

01:00:27.820 → 01:00:36.139

Tall Girl: I did. The hotel room was like internationally try to download new girl on like you're in Netflix Uk. You can't do this, and I'm like no

01:00:36.870 → 01:00:43.080

Tall Girl: like the flight. Home was another 12 episodes. By the time I got home I was like, nobody. Bother me. I will be watching new girl.

01:00:46.680 → 01:00:47.749

Tall Girl: Sorry I'm gonna.

01:00:51.650 → 01:00:58.030

Busy: So I'm just doing a quick look of like top fictional characters.

01:00:58.450 → 01:01:04.479

Busy: and we we've done some, you know, James Bond, batman, Elizabeth Bennett, superman.

01:01:06.960 → 01:01:09.949

WellRead: Clark Kent. I stan Clark Kent forever.

01:01:13.240 → 01:01:20.470

Busy: Let's see, Huckleberry Finn, Tom Sawyer to the very best

01:01:23.170 → 01:01:26.090

Tall Girl: But I also think it's so very dependent on the person.

01:01:26.340 → 01:01:27.440

Busy: Oh, of course.

01:01:27.560 → 01:01:33.330

Tall Girl: Like, I mean, some people like, Oh, it's the greatest literary writing I'm like, it's great writing. But like, okay.

01:01:33.970 → 01:01:34.740

Busy: Oh, of course.

01:01:34.740 → 01:01:45.469

Tall Girl: Like, you know, girls tend to drift more towards Nancy Drew, and boys are like hardy boys, but I'm like Nancy wanted to solve things and care. The hardy boys just always seem to have assistance from other people

01:01:45.730 → 01:01:49.469

Tall Girl: like I will look into it. But you have done my laundry. I was like

01:01:50.230 → 01:01:53.429

Tall Girl: ticks 2 of you to do what Nancy does in one book.

01:01:53.430 → 01:01:59.090

WellRead: Have you guys ever planned your day or weekend around a fictional person's fate.

01:02:00.690 → 01:02:03.349

WellRead: finding out like what happened to them? For example.

01:02:03.350 → 01:02:04.130

Busy: Like the final.

01:02:04.130 → 01:02:05.699

Tall Girl: New book is coming out.

01:02:06.190 → 01:02:06.810

WellRead: Yeah.

01:02:07.180 → 01:02:07.840

Busy: Yeah.

01:02:08.460 → 01:02:12.950

Tall Girl: Oh, okay, nowadays more because, you know.

01:02:13.570 → 01:02:24.950

Tall Girl: like, it used to just be like a new book is launching in April by this author, like it never used to be this specific. And now there's like the Netflix countdown to like April 10th All the episodes.

01:02:26.110 → 01:02:26.730

WellRead: That's true.

01:02:26.860 → 01:02:31.090

Busy: There's Jane books, or especially with books, when I think

01:02:31.240 → 01:02:34.410

Busy: I'm coming to the end, or it's the last book in a series.

01:02:34.680 → 01:02:38.950

Busy: and you just kind of hole up you like. I know there's gonna be something that goes.

01:02:39.750 → 01:02:41.119

Busy: you know, sideways.

01:02:41.120 → 01:02:42.359

WellRead: Terribly awry.

01:02:42.800 → 01:02:45.250

Busy: I'm just gonna have to emotionally brace myself.

01:02:49.300 → 01:02:55.850

Tall Girl: I also don't love it when the like, I will go out of my way to read the books first, st because if the TV show

01:02:56.130 → 01:03:01.139

Tall Girl: like isn't good. I'm not gonna be happy like true blood season. One bad makeup.

01:03:01.270 → 01:03:10.540

Tall Girl: but like season one was pretty close, and then it just went, Hbo, and I'm like, Oh, thank the Lord! I read the books first, st otherwise I never would have picked up a single book.

01:03:12.410 → 01:03:13.360

Busy: I didn't read that one.

01:03:13.360 → 01:03:24.999

Tall Girl: Whenever they come out with like movies coming out this fall based on books I'm like, must read these books in advance, even if I don't watch the film for another 10 years. I'm like, Okay, the book is in my head so I can live with this.

01:03:25.000 → 01:03:27.360

Busy: Oh, what's the Book series.

01:03:27.760 → 01:03:30.499

Tall Girl: Although it's 50 shades, I will say I.

01:03:31.290 → 01:03:52.999

Tall Girl: I read like a chapter of 50 shades, basically peed my pants laughing. Then the movies came out, and I was like, Oh, my God! With somebody we know. I went to go see the 1st one. I was the only person in the theater, who was like just trying to collectively hold in their laughter the whole time. Everybody else is like, Oh, my God! So hot! And I'm like, Oh, my God! So bad.

01:03:53.720 → 01:04:01.280

Busy: Okay. What was? Oh, damn it, it's gonna be the mortal instrument.

01:04:01.280 → 01:04:02.850

WellRead: Mortal instruments.

01:04:03.210 → 01:04:05.890

Busy: So I had been reading those.

01:04:06.450 → 01:04:10.149

Busy: And then the movie came out, and that was bad.

01:04:10.590 → 01:04:15.830

Busy: And then the series came out, and that was better.

01:04:16.660 → 01:04:20.839

Busy: but then there's another one. Oh, damn it.

01:04:21.280 → 01:04:22.649

Tall Girl: No, they're too serious.

01:04:22.860 → 01:04:27.879

Busy: No, there's another book series I'm thinking of that. I have been reading. Oh, beautiful creatures!

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Busy: And the movie came out. And I'm so mad because I think Viola Davis in it, and they just screwed it up, and I got so mad like

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Busy: the book was on a digital reader. But I mentally through the book

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Busy: at a wall when I saw that movie because it just ruined. I was like one more book I had to read in it that hadn't come out yet, and I was so flipping mad at how they did everything wrong. And I just couldn't. I'm like Nope, I can't. I'm gonna have to reread the series to try and do it and get back into it.

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Busy: But.

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Tall Girl: I am convinced there are times that somebody just reads the synopsis on the back of the book and then writes the screenplay like they? They don't. They don't like.

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WellRead: They don't actually read the book.

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Tall Girl: Haven't read it like the sections they choose that are meaningful. You're like

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Tall Girl: this was like less than a paragraph in the book. Why, why are we enjoying 15 min of this film scene? Correct?

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Tall Girl: But also I because my brain works that way. I create pictures in my head of what the characters look like, and I also create voices for them. Not that Judi Dench doesn't narrate my life for me.

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Tall Girl: When actors don't live up to it. I'm just like oh, oh, no.

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Tall Girl: no! We're nowhere near where you should be.

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Busy: The voices don't happen. I do create

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Busy: the the image of the person, the world that they're in. I can like I as I'm reading it like there's like a story going on in my head of the film.

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Busy: Is there any death or plot? Twist of a character? Not the actor. We've already dealt with that one today that you are angry about, or you feel there was justice for.

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WellRead: Oh, there are so many character deaths that I'm angry about.

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Busy: Okay. Go.

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Tall Girl: Thank you.

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WellRead: Well, Matthew, yes, one of them I won't talk about again, because the author has become incredibly asshole-ish

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WellRead: for that one. I actually threw a book

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WellRead: I threw. I threw a book across the room.

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Busy: That's fair.

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WellRead: In order in order to deal with that particular death.

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WellRead: and it's probably not the one that people would think it is. But anyway.

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WellRead: like I said Primrose everdeen I that was really really sad for me.

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Busy: I'll say, with the Downton Abbey when they wrote off Matthew's character.

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WellRead: Well, he wanted Dan Stevens wanted to go.

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Busy: No, and that's why.

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WellRead: Yeah.

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Busy: But how it was done was just.

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WellRead: That was, that was gut.

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Busy: Control, and how it would like the I will try and keep it vague. But that was brutal.

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Busy: That's that was one trying to think of other characters.

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WellRead: Padme. justice for Padme.

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Busy: Oh, wow! Yes, I agree.

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Busy: I agree with that one. That was a

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Busy: they did her dirty there. I didn't know she had to die, obviously.

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Busy: But how about a 1?

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Busy: Oh.

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WellRead: She died because sad? No, she died because it was shitty writing.

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Busy: Oh, also people say that it was really

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Busy: Anakin drawing. Anakin.

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WellRead: But that's a fan theory.

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Busy: Oh! Is it.

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WellRead: Yeah. Palpatine, draining her life force deliberately. That's a fan theory.

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Busy: Either way. Shitty.

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WellRead: Yep.

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Busy: Is there any characters you wanted to like but couldn't.

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WellRead: Yeah, there are books that I can't even remember their names. But there are books that I have put completely away, because I I just can't get into

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WellRead: the characters, or I I just I refuse to. I know you're going to say Eleanor Oliphant.

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Busy: Yeah.

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WellRead: I know.

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Tall Girl: This is, this is just the book of our lives.

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Tall Girl: It's okay. It's okay that defines you. That I was like, this is the most annoying thing I've ever.

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WellRead: It doesn't. It doesn't define me.

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WellRead: It described me at a specific point in my life.

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Tall Girl: Oh, my gosh!

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Tall Girl: Here's a literary version! It sucked.

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Tall Girl: I'm glad we recovered from that.

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Busy: I couldn't connect to it. And then, when I understood her connection to it all.

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Tall Girl: That did help.

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Busy: It did help. But then I went completely

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Busy: me, and wanted to understand. Why don't I have depression to understand what my friends and families who might experience that go through, and she looked at me like I was losing my mind.

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Busy: But emotions they I feel them all so like.

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Busy: So that was a character definitely I cannot connect to at all.

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Tall Girl: I think the characters who end up like the chicks in horror films who are always like, you know where the story is leading, because the writing is just so obvious. And they're like, Oh, my gosh! I wonder what will happen if I date this terrible person? And you're like death.

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Tall Girl: Death will happen. How do you not see this.

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Busy: Freaking. What's her name? Twilight girl.

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WellRead: Bella.

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Tall Girl: Oh, Bella!

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Busy: Hike!

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Tall Girl: Well.

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Tall Girl: Twilight and 50 shades fall into the very similar category of like.

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Busy: That's because 50 shades is twilight fan fiction.

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Tall Girl: Oh, my God! Oh, no! He can't read. He can read everybody's thoughts but mine.

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Tall Girl: Hmm!

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Busy: It's it's the whole. Oh, my God! My life is over, and everything like

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Busy: I think it's the whole thing. The whole series takes place with within what like a year and a half.

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Busy: Like girl. You go from just meeting someone to married and obsessed like.

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Tall Girl: I would die for love 15 min in like.

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Busy: Here's an old one, but you know I you may have heard of this one Romeo and Juliet. Those 2

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Busy: test them.

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WellRead: Those 2 nitwits.

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Busy: Like. No, these idiots deserve like you're stupid.

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Tall Girl: No, this is 2, 1 percenters who were, you know, raised in Bubble wrap, who had a bump on their road.

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Busy: Get out of here with this crap like.

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Tall Girl: People like. It's the greatest love story of our time. I'm like.

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Busy: I'm not well.

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WellRead: Drastically, drastically, drastically changed. What Shakespeare meant

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WellRead: by killing off 2 teenagers? Guys! It's not the greatest love story in the world.

WellRead: It's a fucking tragedy.

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Tall Girl: Romeo and Juliet, I'm like, do you want to finish that thought of what that really means?

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Busy: Also kind of now.

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Tall Girl: Over.

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Busy: As an adult, looking back and being like, Yeah, Ariel's father was right like, calm your your fins, lady, like you're 16 and wanting to like, go live on land with someone we don't know really like, get out of here.

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Tall Girl: So I got like the German version of the fairy tales, like the Grimm versions.

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WellRead: Mhm.

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Tall Girl: The Disney ones, where people are like this is so hopeful. I'm like, Have you guys.

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Busy: No, we didn't.

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Tall Girl: The Little Mermaid is.

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WellRead: Hans Christian Andersen, Hans Christian Andersen, and his Tales of Terror.

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Busy: Yeah, mostly to warn women, but like they can get it.

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Tall Girl: Well, the Princess and the frog I'm like. Do you know what the original version is that is not cute.

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Tall Girl: That is so. Not cute.

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Busy: I'm going to have to go deep. Dive on that one. Probably traumatized.

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WellRead: Some homework for our listeners. Look up the original version of the Princess and the Frog.

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Tall Girl: Welcome to trauma.

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Busy: Or any fairy tale actually.

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Tall Girl: There is a reason.

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WellRead: Pretty much anything.

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Tall Girl: Like frog legs. It's payback for that little.

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Tall Girl: The French had it right.

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WellRead: Oh, there's another fictional character that lives on in my head, rent free. Kermit.

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Tall Girl: Oh!

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Tall Girl: Kermit should be protected at all costs from his abuser Miss Picky.

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Busy: Mr.

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Busy: We can keep him.

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Tall Girl: R. Burton. He's still alive, but protected at all costs.

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Busy: Yes, made all the buttons.

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Tall Girl: Diane read me so many beautiful stories to this day.

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Busy: How do you deal with letting go of certain characters, especially those that you may have been?

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Busy: They were so instrumental, so pivotal, whatever the the you know description you want to use to your childhood, and as you grew up, either

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Busy: what they were has changed you, or what you needed at time. You don't need from them anymore. Or you realize maybe they're problematic. If it was a movie or so like.

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Busy: how do you come to terms with that.

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Busy: or like Read And I have had a problem with a specific author like, how do you come to terms with having to let go of something that was such a part of your life.

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WellRead: I've had problems with more than one author. 1st of all, authors tend to be terrible fucking people.

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Busy: You will bleep that out later.

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WellRead: Sorry.

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Tall Girl: No, I think that would be appropriate. Some of them really are.

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Tall Girl: Oh, no, a hundred percent. I'm just saying.

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WellRead: The f word, the f word.

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WellRead: Oh, talking about.

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Tall Girl: Wow!

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Busy: But she said, was the but so go on. You were saying. Several writers have become disappointments.

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WellRead: Yeah, I mean. So when I was about 12, I was going through a really tough period.

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WellRead: and a woman that my mother worked with, gave me this book series, and I read this book series, cover to cover like 6 times in a row.

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WellRead: The characters in that story literally saved my life in a number of ways, and as I

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WellRead: got older and reread it, you know, I noticed some things that were a little little off.

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Busy: Thank you so much.

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WellRead: Think thing things that made me stop and think. Yeah, and then I found out that the author had adopted and abused

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WellRead: children.

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WellRead: And all of a sudden a lot of the things that I had noticed that were a little off in the stories made a lot of sense.

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WellRead: and

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WellRead: I firmly believe that characters are like people.

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WellRead: They come into our lives when we need them, and they can

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WellRead: be let go when they no longer serve

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WellRead: who we are becoming like. That's

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WellRead: it's easy. It's easier to let them go, I think, in in a lot of ways than actual people.

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WellRead: but it's still

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WellRead: you can take. You could take your lessons from them and say, Thank you, and let go.

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Busy: If the character wasn't problematic.

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Busy: But either the author, the actor who betrayed it, the director, or the person who wrote this, you know the series, or movie or anything, if they're the ones that problematic.

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Busy: Is it still a different? Is it still

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Busy: as hard as a stepping away like compared to the situation you described

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Busy: like, if the character didn't do anything wrong. If Gilbert.

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WellRead: Yeah. So a lot of the characters in these books didn't do anything wrong. Listen. If it was found out that Lucy Maude Montgomery was some terrible person.

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Tall Girl: Shut your hypothetical mouth. Choose anybody else.

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Busy: We are just lobbing bricks at her today. My God!

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Tall Girl: Oh! Hi!

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WellRead: I would have, I would have less difficulty letting go than you might imagine. I I really I feel as though

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WellRead: you learn something from a situation, and you move on from it

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WellRead: as best as you can. You might hold a little grudge here and there. I think that's perfectly healthy. Little grudge.

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Tall Girl: I think I'll take it for what it was at the time. Like art, I mean pretty much. Everything about art is problematic.

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WellRead: So.

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Tall Girl: If you're going to kill off the characters and the music and the whatever that came before because of problematic.

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Tall Girl: you are left staring at a blank wall. And even that, you know, the inventor of paint is probably problematic. So like you can't even look at the paint on a blank wall.

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Tall Girl: I tend to just pick them up like, okay, this is a pebble on a beach, you know, like the fact that the beach is now toxic like I. It is what it is for the time or the place.

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Tall Girl: Yes, the musician. Yes, the painter. Yes, the author might have been terrible. But like this is what I'm going to take from it. I'm going to take the good from it like I've gone back and read the bodice rippers that you know, like all the moms used to read. And we used to sneak and read

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Tall Girl: when you go back and read 1990 something. And you're like, Wow.

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Tall Girl: oh, we were okay with so much. But I was like at the time, like I love the character for whatever I'm good with that, in that little encapsulated moment.

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Tall Girl: I'm choosing not to see the rest around it, because you just you can't. There's so much that is problematic

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Tall Girl: to find a decent author.

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Tall Girl: But even then, even if they were decent in 1914 by today's standards, are they different? No problem.

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Tall Girl: Problematic.

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Busy: So you keep them in a box, and the time.

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Tall Girl: Kind of.

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Busy: Credit time in which they wrote it.

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Tall Girl: I think it's why I work so hard like, you guys are like fans of the author and the book. I tend to try to not get to know the creators.

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Tall Girl: I will look at their work, and I will keep their work separate from them, because as soon as I

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Tall Girl: forget somebody. There was some author, and everybody's like you need to read him. You need to read him. I'd seen an interview he did. He just gave me every creepy vibe. I never read one of his books now. He's problematic, but I'm like

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Tall Girl: I tend to try to keep it separate. Besides, the fact that I have little fascination with celebrities to start with. I'm like.

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Tall Girl: I don't want to know. I don't want to know, because you could destroy something that could be great, otherwise I'll take it for what it is. Now.

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Tall Girl: if anything ever comes out problematic about Maya Angelou, I don't know what I'm going to do.

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Busy: That's fair.

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Busy: So as we start to wrap this up.

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Busy: I am giving you guys a magic

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Busy: bean of sorts, if for not being maybe like a wish better thing

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Busy: if you could bring one fictional character.

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Tall Girl: Good.

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Busy: Into this real world.

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Busy: Who would it be.

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Tall Girl: Thor.

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Busy: I'm sorry who.

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Tall Girl: Thor.

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Busy: Good.

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WellRead: The norse god.

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Tall Girl: Yeah.

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WellRead: Cool.

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Tall Girl: Oh, there's no way Gilbert's gonna be like brought out into the world in order to screw it up, absolutely effing not. He stays in his books for forever?

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Tall Girl: Absolutely not.

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Busy: I did not see that one coming at all.

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Tall Girl: If you could like, make a god happen.

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Busy: I, you're yeah. But I did not see that coming for you. I would have thought more.

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Busy: Okay, I'm so surprised because you're also not usually into like.

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Tall Girl: Feel like you don't know what my dad read to us as childhood stories.

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WellRead: We're.

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Tall Girl: Fairy tales, Norse gods, trolls like, yeah.

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Busy: Alright!

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Tall Girl: The hobbit. The hobbit was like a very regular childhood story, so like.

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Busy: Look at it.

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Busy: Well, Red, who would you bring in.

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WellRead: Nobody.

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WellRead: I wouldn't. I wouldn't bring a fictional character out of their universe into my life.

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Busy: Oh, feels a little multiverse here, go on.

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WellRead: No, I I mean yes, a little bit of multiverse

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WellRead: characters exist in their in their own worlds. They would not be the same people, they would not be the same

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WellRead: characters. We know them to be in our world, so I wouldn't. I wouldn't change anything about the characters that I know.

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Busy: I think that reminds me of, like the movie lost in Austin Land, where

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Busy: somehow, of the woman in today's time walks through, and, like

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Busy: Elizabeth Bennett comes to her time, and she goes to Elizabeth's time, and they swap

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Busy: and like towards the end of the stuff the movie or I forget the movies or series. You

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Busy: see how Elizabeth operates in the modern times and how things go. But I I could see where that you know they are who they are at the time.

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Busy: both the time in which the story takes place, the time in which it was written.

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Busy: the place where it was written the place where the story takes place.

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Busy: It all is situational.

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Tall Girl: On the other side, if you can insert yourself into a storyline.

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Busy: Here.

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Tall Girl: You would be slightly changed, because, you know, you would have to put up with like a gusset or garters, or

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Tall Girl: you can move yourself into Victorian England, but, like.

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WellRead: No thank you.

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Tall Girl: You're not gonna be you.

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WellRead: Ugh.

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Busy: But how am I gonna be like when? When?

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Busy: How much am I not going to be near you saying because that could be problem because there are outspoken people in the.

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Tall Girl: Gonna have to wear like a girdle and a cone bra to insert yourself into. I love Lucy. I know you're gonna have to serve your husband and darn his socks. But Lucy would be apartment B, and you would be an apartment C,

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Tall Girl: like your landlord would be the myrtles.

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Tall Girl: but you would, you would have to cook for your husband and put up with the neighbor next door, who constantly tries to burn down the apartment.

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Busy: I mean, I deal with kind of a lot now anyway.

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Busy: No, anyway. Okay, I don't know.

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Busy: I think if I'm gonna do this I would want to go for completely

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Busy: fantasy world like something completely different

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Busy: that is not like time, appropriate, like, you know, magic or fantasy, or something completely

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Busy: out of the norm. I just don't know where oof.

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Busy: or maybe our world, where certain magical aspects and possibilities exist. I don't know what about you, Read? It's so

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Busy: rough.

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Tall Girl: The Jetsons.

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WellRead: To listen to the sky.

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Tall Girl: I want a machine that brushes and scrubs me and cleans me and gets me ready for work without me having to interact at all

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Tall Girl: I want a machine that can just make any food whatsoever. I want a Rosie.

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Tall Girl: I will go into the Dumpster pile and find my own version of a snarky Rosie.

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Busy: The cars.

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Tall Girl: I want a car that folds up into a briefcase.

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WellRead: That flies.

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Tall Girl: Golden girls like if I could just live on the lanai like

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Tall Girl: I just, I want cheesecake and ice cream, and none of the weight or diabetes consequences thereof. But

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Tall Girl: I want, you know, a Sicily 19.

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Busy: 19 forties, picture.

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Tall Girl: Picture this like, Come on a Rose Nyland island just to entertain your day.

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Busy: Any world that you would want to be in red.

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WellRead: So many.

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Busy: She-ra, Princess of Power.

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Busy: Oh, yeah, Eternia and Etheria.

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Tall Girl: I'm just saying like you would have some kind of a sword, and you would have some kind of a conversion. You could date He-Man

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WellRead: And a convenient moral. At the end of every episode.

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Tall Girl: And so like life wouldn't suck.

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Busy: Not necessarily. She wouldn't be She-ra, so she might not have a sword.

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Busy: You don't know.

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Tall Girl: Feel like she's got it in her to get one if she's there long enough. I feel like she has the chutzpah to like.

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Busy: I'm actually surprised we didn't discuss She-ra. My goodness, so 2, thank you.

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Tall Girl: That is protected at all costs.

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Busy: False red.

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WellRead: Say that again.

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Busy: 2 worlds where you would exist in the face.

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WellRead: In eternia or etheria.

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Busy: No, no. Well, 2 fictional world that you feel you would want to exist in.

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Busy: It's just.

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WellRead: Lord of the rings.

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Busy: Okay.

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WellRead: The evil is easily identifiable and fightable.

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Busy: Not easily fightable, but a path is.

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WellRead: A path. A path is but a path is laid out for the conquering of it.

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Busy: That's fair.

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WellRead: It's not an easy path, but it's a path, nonetheless, and

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WellRead: I think that that is attractive.

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WellRead: And then Fringe, because it would explain so much of the strange crap that happens all the time.

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Busy: I she wouldn't go into Superman. That was kind of like I was putting money on.

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WellRead: No.

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Tall Girl: No, if you live in the city as just a passive citizen, your odds of dying are incredible.

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WellRead: 100%.

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Tall Girl: Consider the crime rate of Gotham, like.

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WellRead: Let's consider the insurance to own a property in Gotham or metropolis.

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Busy: Where there's constantly destruction.

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WellRead: You have to choose which of the supervillains

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WellRead: you get to be protected against.

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WellRead: And if on Tuesday, May.....

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WellRead: you're walking to work, and you see your apartment building get hit by.

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WellRead: I don't know. Zod!

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WellRead: And you're not covered against Zod.

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WellRead: Guess what poverty.

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Busy: I didn't help.

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WellRead: No Thank you.

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Tall Girl: Reason for being homeless. Zod alien invasion.

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Tall Girl: How do you fill that out on a displacement form.

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Tall Girl: Reason you need to move into the shelter for the 18th time this month.

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WellRead: Zod!

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Busy: Because our city is center

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Busy: for paranormal activity, because I live in Sunnydale. Damn it.

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WellRead: Correct.

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Tall Girl: Like I mean murder, she wrote.

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Tall Girl: Everywhere that woman goes, crime follows. He was.

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WellRead: Sorry.

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Tall Girl: Into the hotel. You run.

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WellRead: Just just no.

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Tall Girl: Consume no beverages, smoke, no cigarettes, eat no dinners.

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Busy: Oh, what happened?

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Busy: So that is going to be a wrap on today's episode. If you enjoyed it, subscribe, leave a review, or at least text. Your group chat about your fictional soulmates.

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WellRead: Want to hear more. Join us on Patreon for extra spirals, exclusive content and chaotic bonus episodes like, since after dark.

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Tall Girl: Until next time, stay sensible.

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Busy: Or embrace the chaos, preferably both.

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