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Unknown Speaker 0:15 well, hello. Hello, guys. You're listening to beauty bites with Dr K secrets of a plastic surgeon, and today on the podcast, this is such a great topic, because we are going to talk about midlife. And I think it never gets spoken about enough. We talk all about remaining youthful, and then we talk about, like, aging process, but midlife is where it's at. So Natalie Jill is a really wonderful motivator. I met her at can't be more Chalene Johnson's amazing conference for women over 40, and Natalie's a renowned midlife fat loss expert. She really has revolutionized how women approach health optimization and aging. She has a gift for simplifying really complicated health topics, and she empowers us all to kind of want to transform and reclaim your vitality, and she's top rated host of her own podcast, midlife conversations with Natalie Jill. She is definitely changing up the cultural narratives around age and your potential and how you really can pivot in your midlife and change that second version of your life that's coming up. You gotta have the right mindset and the right strategy, but she's worked on over 250,000

Unknown Speaker 1:23 women's bodies and has two best selling fat loss books that have sold out in stores nationwide. And she's even been on the doctors TV show. She has more than 3 million followers globally, and she is a powerhouse. Welcome now. Thanks so much. Quite the introduction there. Thank you. Yeah, I'm so excited to talk to you a little bit more. I think one of the big stigmas of, like, getting to be over 40 or over 50 is just the whole concept that kind of life is over and that your expiration date has come. And so it's such a cultural stigma. Like, I feel like, yeah, Cindy Crawford turned 50 and like, that was it. She was done modeling career over life is over and turned over to your young daughter.

Unknown Speaker 2:05 What do you think? Well, I mean, I've had those stories in my head too. I'm not going to lie, so I want to just reassure women that, like, that's not an unusual thought for midlife. I think we have been raised that way. We've seen, especially some of us that were born in the 70s. You know, early we were taught about beauty and being youthful and all the things. So it's, it's not unusual that we start feeling that way. It's, it's not uncommon. And then we start, what I think starts happening is things start changing on our bodies and our health. And then you we get validated by TV or magazines or social media or our friends saying, Gosh, aging sucks. And I had those, those beliefs too.

Unknown Speaker 2:46 So I want to be real about that. First what I had to realize was that we have the power to change that, that narrative. And that doesn't mean you're gonna go change everybody else's narrative, but we have the power to change our negative and our narrative. So if we look at aging as it sucks, everything's falling apart. I don't like what's happening to me. We it's harder to lose weight. I don't feel good. If we look at everything through that lens, and then people validate that and say, You're right, it sucks, we will stay stuck there. So it's up to us in our brain to say I'm not buying into that. That is not what I choose to believe. I am going to start telling myself that aging is amazing, that I could get stronger, that I could get better, that this is I'm going to look for that. And when you do that shift, you start attracting other information that supports that. So it really has to be a decision first, that you don't want to live in that zone, because if we want to stay in that zone of everything sucks and everything's falling apart, we're going to keep attracting that, and that's what we're going to keep believing. It really is so culturally driven into our heads. I think this concept of embracing aging is like you're it's a beautiful blossoming into like this, you know, maturity and confidence and strength and who you are, it's really important conviction. You talk a little bit about you, you often say that age is not a limit. And you coach women, what are these mindset blocks that women most commonly have? And how do you overcome that? Yeah, great question. Well, the first thing is, basically what I just said, that they they will believe that aging has to suck. So they come in with aging sucks. I've already been told it sucks. Everyone around me says it sucks, and now I've got pain in my body, so that's validating it sucks. My face is falling, so it sucks, and I'm getting thick in the middle. It sucks. And now my doctor said, Yeah, you're right. You're in menopause, or you're aging. You have to accept it. So they have this belief that's being validated. So that's the first thing. They haven't made this up. They're believing it. So what? When I tell someone, we gotta look at your mindset. They don't typically like that. Like, what do you mean? I have to look at my mindset. Well, what I mean by that is you have to look at this story that you've been believing since you were young. I mean, if you think back, you were afraid to turn 30.

Unknown Speaker 5:00 You're afraid to turn 40 and now 50 and now you're scared about 60 and 70 and beyond. So we have to realize our mind, our beliefs, that has to change. For example, Dr K if it was very established that we get thinner as we age like, let's just say that you just are told you get even

Unknown Speaker 5:21 before. I was that back, like we get thinner as we age. If that was the truth and that's what you believed, then if you were not having that reality, you wouldn't go, this sucks. This is age you would so why is it not working for me right now? I better get figure out how to get there. Same thing if you if you thought I'm supposed to get stronger as I age, you would start working towards that. So the mindset is very powerful. Whatever we believe, whatever we focus on, we're going to bring to fruition. Now, this is not woo, woo. This is not just, you know, think and sit there and it's just going to happen, but what it does create is a new focus for us. And if I can share just a little story about this.

Unknown Speaker 5:57 So I was, if you were to like Google me, you would see that I was a fitness expert for years. That was what I was known for. Like, in my 40s, I you know, I was on covers and magazines. I was a fitness expert. I taught women fitness. I taught them fat loss. And what happened was, as I was approaching 50, I started to have a lot of things go wrong with my body, a lot of injuries, the thickening in the middle. I was tired. I had hot flashes around the clock. I started having thinning hair. I had a lot of things happening to me that made me second guess what I knew. So I thought I used to tell women, oh, it doesn't matter your age, you'll always be fit, you can always eat this way. And I started to really question my own knowledge. I'm like, this isn't working anymore. What's going on? So, so much so that I stopped my own business for a while. I started referring people somewhere else, and I said, I'm not going to focus on fitness and fat loss anymore, because I started not believing it was true. It wasn't until I interrupted myself getting into this decline, and said, Wait a minute. What did I always teach people? I'm skipping a step now. I used to teach people, we have to make a decision we want a different reality. So I literally made a decision that this was not going to be my reality. I'm not going to decline like this. And that created the next reaction to that decision, which is, I have to be a health detective. I've decided this is not going to be my reality. So now I get to figure out why is this happening to me, and what can I do about it? And I'm not going to just take no for an answer. And it wasn't until I started really getting into that health detective mode that everything changed. My body bounced back better than it was before, and I started looking at it through a different lens. So I'll stand on that hill of we have to make a decision and believe it's possible. First, sometimes women message me and they say, I've tried everything, nothing works, my genetic issue, my diagnosis, they give me all these things, and I will say back to them, Do you believe that's your new reality? And if they say, Yes, I can't help them. Now, if they say I'm being told these things, but I don't believe it's my reality that's my person, because now I see that you're willing to shift your mindset and your focus, and we can fix that. Yeah, I think that's so true. I mean, psychologically, you have to literally stop yourself from because part of your brain wants to say, like, Yeah, I'm older. I should retire. I should pull back. I should do less. I should, why should I put myself out there? Like I deserve to rest, but that's literally, like, rusting and rotting and like, you can't give up on yourself. I really feel but you're right. There are two populations of people, those that just let themselves go, Yeah, this is the decay and the decline, and we're going to become decrepit. And then there's those that are like, hell no, yeah. Think about somebody that comes in that comes into you for their face or their skincare. And I'm just like, I mean, I know you see this. I don't even, I don't even treat patients for this. And I, and I can say, I'm sure you see this. You see two camps of people. You see people that come in and they have a vision. They're like, I want to feel better. I want to like, let's let's explore. Let's experiment. Let's try. What do you recommend? And then you have people that come in and go, nothing works for me. I had a bad reaction to this. I had a bad reaction to that. This, nothing works. This is just everything's falling and I can't, I don't have this. And I'm sure that those clients are not ever happy. So it's so true. And then you have the super unrealistic clients too that want to, like, sure, have a want. And I'm going to turn back time that happens with fat loss too, for sure, like instant, yeah, it's but it's that belief set of, what do you believe is possible and what do you want possible? Then we can figure it out. And I'm pretty sure to your favorite patients are, this is what I'm hoping for. What do you recommend? I'm willing to try like that. Then you're it's like a that's fine too. Yeah, they're open to the possibilities, and they want to use the technology, like tell me tips and tricks to look my best, like there's so many things you can do, but you have to trust the process too. And there's a whole process. Absolutely, it's an evolution of where you are and what you want to become. But I think I really like the concept that you talk about fat loss.

Unknown Speaker 10:00 Instead of weight loss, can you explain the difference and why? Yes, matters, especially in midlife. Yeah. So weight loss just means your scale numbers going down. You're shrinking your scale numbers going down. It has nothing to do with how are we actually losing this weight? So if we rapidly lose weight, I can there's lots of ways to rapidly lose weight, however. Number one, it's not sustainable. Two, we are losing muscle. We are losing water, and I'm not so concerned about the water weight. I think that sometimes it's good to lose water initially, like it helps us not feel bloated, it helps get us motivated. But when we start losing muscle, we have a problem. When we start losing muscle, not only are we going to change how we physically look, because muscle takes up less space than fat, and it looks better. You are going to look that more tone. But when we lose muscle, we're also at risk for fractures, for falls, for structural issues, and this is when we also start having bone loss. So muscle loss is not what we want. I also want to share that the more muscle you have, not only the more functional your is your body, but the more calories your body actually burns at rest, which means your metabolism is going to work better. So when we look at reducing a number on the scale, we're missing the whole piece. We want to look at, how do we reduce fat and maintain muscle?

Unknown Speaker 11:19 I think that's so critical. And like I they're different techniques at each age for building muscle, right? Is it the same for everybody? Can I build it when I'm Same as when I was 30? Now that I'm 50, some rules apply the same, and some do not. So for example, muscle is muscle like you. In order to grow muscle, you have to have some type of resistance training, you have to have some type of progressive overload, and you have to feed it. We cannot build muscle without enough calories, without enough protein, without some the right carbs. We can't build muscle without creating a resistance and progressive overload. So that doesn't change. However, what does change as we age is a few variables. Number one, how we work out changes because as your hormones are shifting as we're aging. Some workouts that maybe worked in your 30s and 40s, they start being counterproductive in our late 40s and 50s, for instance, an example of that would be high intensity training. We are changing as we age. High intensity training could end up affecting your adrenals, your cortisol, how you recover your a lot of things start changing. So if you're listening, you're like, No, but it's working for me. I'm not trying to change you. But if you're saying things stopped working for me, and I just keep working out harder, and what's going on that could very well be a variable that's that's not working anymore. The other thing that changes is injuries start to catch up. So let's just say, for example, you have an injury in your body that you've dealt with, but you have also subtly and subconsciously retrained your body not to use that area. What's happening is you're no longer completely functional. Let me give you an example. Let's just say you hurt something in your back, and you do all the things you can, but you don't actually like structurally fix it. Now your body starts overcompensating. You're using different muscles, different parts of your body. So next thing you know, now your knee starts hurting. So now subconsciously, as you're walking, you're adjusting your gait because your knee's hurting. Now your ankle starts hurting. So now we go to lift weights or work out, and we are not doing it on a stable, functional body. As we age, and we're more likely to get injured and not actually work as hard. So those are the kinds of things that definitely do change as we age. I think that's really incredible knowledge. And I wish someone would give me a workout plan. I struggle. You know what the hardest part is? Is, like, just getting started, like I see the rectangular shape happening in my midsection, and I want to have, like, the most efficient workout I could possibly have. And it's, I think it's super intuitive sometimes to take that first step. Like, I keep talking, I'm I'm putting it out there in the universe, like, this is the year I'm going to build muscle training. I love that. Just don't even like I push myself to do sit ups, push ups and squats so far, stuff. That's great. That's great. So my own body weight is going to be challenging enough. So workouts are actually, to me, not the priority. It's they're important. It's not the priority to me. The priority goes first mindset and belief set. So what am I deciding that I want for myself? What's the reason? And then I have a whole Formula, Formula I'll take clients through. So it's not just a decision, it's what's the vision you have for yourself? Because this is important, because I'd like, if you were a client of mine, I'd have to understand, like, what's the vision? Like, what does that mean? Is it because you want to be more mobile, you want to be out of pain? What's your vision if it's a year from now, what are we fitting into? What are we what's our are we wanting to go hike some crazy mountain? Like, I'd have to understand the vision. So when we get clear on a vision, we get very clear on how to make it happen. For instance, when you went to medical school, it probably wasn't exciting every day to go to medical school, but you were very clear, I'm going to be a doctor. I'm going to be a surgeon. You knew the vision which made you get through it. If you were just going to go because someone said you have to go to school with no vision, it would have been very.

Unknown Speaker 15:00 Challenging. It's the same thing with our body. So deciding first getting clear on your vision, and then there's lots of little tricks that I take people through some one thing I call is like your driving core motivator. It's your reason behind the reason. Because if we're not attached to that, it's very hard to stay motivated and go work out after we've established all of that and we're working from a solid foundation, then we've got to look at nutrition. Nutrition is key, and it's not what you're thinking. It's not we've got to be strict and eat chicken and broccoli. No, it's, I teach, nutrition very different from that. What do we need for our goals? What do we need for our vision? How do we fuel our body? Are we navigating pain? How do we eat to get away from that? Is the issue like, how do we look at that after we've looked at nutrition, then I get into detective mode with people. And Detective mode is all the areas. It's your hormone, your gut, your thyroid, it's all those areas. And that is where we start really looking at movement too, because movement is part of that detective area. For some people, just starting to walk is the first step. For others, it's going to be resistance training. For some it's something more challenging. It really is customized, but it has to go in order, and it has to make sense for your vision. Well, maybe, I think my problem is I just generally want to be a healthy, older individual, like I picture the things I do now is most important to craft who I'm going to be in the future. Yeah, maybe I need to have a more directed goal. Like, I'm going to climb Mount Whitney this year, or something exactly like you're saying, like, I want to the next 20 years to be, like, strong and mobile and right? But that's like, so vague. Maybe I just need a direct thing. It is definitely that it's not even a direct like, I'm going to apply Mount Whitney. It's, it would be more I would have you get a lot more specific with that. So I would say, Okay, you want to be healthy and strong and active for what what does that feel like? And what would you be doing, and how would you be spending your day? And what does that mean? Does that like? Why it's getting that granular on what that actually means, and where is the end result? Just like you knew I'd be opening a practice, or I would be working on you had the vision. If we don't have the vision, we're just going through motions. Of course, we're not going to stick to it. Yeah, I think you're right. I definitely want to have those arms like yours.

Unknown Speaker 17:11 I walk into a room and I see some of my athletic women patients, they just look so vibrant, like there's something about the luck of having muscles that maintains youthfulness throughout the aging Yeah, not only is it functional, but it's also, like, the most attractive state for the human. So, for example, when you go to the gym right now, if you go to the gym, I don't do you go to a gym right now, no, but okay, but all kinds of gym equipment and Okay, over COVID sitting, when you go into your basement right now, and you're like, I have to work out. All right? I don't feel like this. There's other things I want to do. I don't like how my arms look. I don't this is that is not motivating, of course, speech that's going on, right? So, so if we did this, if, before you even think about that, if you had a time in the day that you could try this, you could report back that you're like, Okay, every morning at this time, or you find the time that you could have worked out, or you could and you say, at this time, I'm going to put some music on. I pull out a journal, I'm gonna close my eyes, whatever. I'm gonna envision what I want my body to look like and why I want it to look like that. And I'm gonna, like, actually picture myself walking into a room or walking on stage, showing wearing a tank top, or whatever it is, and I can see my arms. I can see my triceps. I can see and now I'm at the grocery store, and I can see myself carrying all the bags in one trip. And this is going to be cool. And, oh, wow, I'm eating dinner, having dinner with friends. And some of my friends are like, holy cow. What are you doing? Your arms look so good. And you're like, pumping yourself up that way. And now you're like, Okay, I just, I'm there, there. Now there's 10 extra minutes. Okay, I'm gonna go crush some arms from that space that is a very different place to be.

Unknown Speaker 18:49 You're so right. I'm very sure that we, none of us, take the time to do that until you get taught to think like that. What are some of your non negotiables in terms of nutrition? For women in midlife, you're my non Yes, that's a great question. So my non negotiable is that 95%

Unknown Speaker 19:08 of your diet has to be unprocessed, natural, real foods. So it's as simple as that. It's real foods that once grew. If you focus that 95% of what I'm adding in my body is that. That is my first non negotiable. I'm not even talking portions or calories or macros, anything, yet, if you just start focusing on natural, real, unprocessed foods, that would be my first negoti non negotiable. My second one is we've got to think protein first. And if we do not have protein, we cannot build muscle. We can't we can't control our insulin, we can't regulate a one. We can't do anything great unless we are really looking at protein. So my second non negotiable would be eating more protein. We've got to make sure we're getting enough and more protein. My third thing would be to get really clear on what you don't love about how you.

Unknown Speaker 20:00 Feel and get really if you you take, either take my word for it, or go research it yourself. I'm not interested in arguing with people why they think greens and dairy and sugar are amazing. They create inflammation in our bodies. If you are like my husband, and you don't have one negative marker on your blood work, and you are a freak of nature and you have zero issues. You can eat as much of that as you want, no problem. But for most women that are saying they've got pain and inflammation and they're puffy, there's no place for those in our diet. We should not be focusing on greens and dairy and sugar. They are making you miserable. So when someone challenges me, I say, either you're like my husband, and that's great. Keep doing you or how do you know? Until you try? I don't care about the research. Try take it out of your diet for a week or two and then report back to me honestly the day you put it back in your diet, you will feel a difference. I try. I tried for a whole six months to eat very keto, like very much greens and, you know, veggies and protein all Monday to Friday, like, 80% good and 20% bad on the weekends, and have the pizza and the pasta, like, literally feel the joint. And that's right, that's right. So I don't you absolutely have to do that little experiment on yourself, yeah. So just try, you try it. And by eating unprocessed, natural foods, you're taking a lot of the junk out anyway, which is great, but Well, I can't tell you how many women that are like, I don't know what's wrong with me. And I'm like, What is your diet? Well, I have oatmeal for breakfast, and then I have, you know, a yogurt. Okay, we're right there. That's what's wrong. This is what's wrong. So, so again, not trying to argue it's not everybody's so unique, you know, like, when we get into the detective work, everyone's unique. So exactly what you should eat is different than what I should eat exactly what you said, like, general non negotiables, like, what would actually help? That's what I was sharing. But, yeah, some people thrive on grains and dairy and beans and all that. That's amazing for you. Yeah, a lot of people don't thrive on that. Do you think women do better on ketone Energy recently? Sometimes, again,

Unknown Speaker 22:02 it's in it. I am not. I don't personally eat in a Keto way. I don't teach in a Keto way. Some people do. I do think we thrive with longer space between meals, with intermittent fasting, with I call it modified fasting, giving your body a break. When we graze all day long, we're not doing our bodies any favors. We are constantly secreting insulin, and the more you're secreting insulin, the less you're burning fat. You're burning fat. So I and we're raising our blood sugar. We want our a 1c to be very low, and when you're getting into the mid fives and higher, we are eating too much and too many starches, and we're not combining with protein and fats and fibers. How do you think that hormones kind of play into that question in terms of, like, fat loss and, yeah, nutritional requirements and things hormones are extremely important. And I'm a big fan of bioidentical hormones, by the way, so I'm not against hormone replacement. I'm a fan of it. However, it shouldn't be the first step. If you try to add hormone replacement when you haven't dialed in your nutrition and your movement and your mindset, then we're going to have a problem. I also don't think we should add hormone replacement until we've addressed our gut and our thyroid. So gut and thyroid first, because everything's going to get processed through there. Once we've dialed we're eating well, we're moving our bodies. We are clear on our intentions. We are really we've optimized our thyroid, we've looked at that, we've looked at our gut health and how we're processing things, then absolutely we look at hormones and we can tweak that. Do I think the hormones are the cause of everything? Hormones absolutely change. I'm not. So we have a decline in estrogen. There's all kinds of things there. But to think we're just going to go take hormones and fix it all is not the answer, unless we're optimizing the other areas. This year, we've seen such a resurgence in popularity of the menopause conversation. Why do you think that that has happened? I love that. I love that that has I don't know that it ever really didn't happen. Here's my theory on it. I think we're just aging and so we're noticing more. Because I, you know, I because I know people say that, but I feel like every age group says that when they get there. So yeah, of course, before I was in menopause, I didn't hear much about menopause, so So I hear a lot about it now because I'm in it. So that's my thought. So I don't know people might have different opinions, but I think we just start noticing what we're walking through. I think with Gen X becoming, like the biggest portion of the population in this Yeah, few years, that's going to remain a really important conversation, because we feel like we're very vital individuals, and yet our bodies are going through those changes that agree addressed. And it's it's going to be interesting to see how this generation of women ages differently because of taking on hormones a little bit earlier, because the conversation is so loud right now that you almost can't avoid it. And because of, I think, social media and the vast ability the way to that, you can download podcasts and YouTube and a million you TV channels like, well, you think when we were growing up, we had three TV channels and a radio honestly, right? And

Unknown Speaker 24:55 then you go get, like, the same five magazine scenes, right? So unless it was in those things we didn't hear.

Unknown Speaker 25:00 And the problem was the media kind of controlled. That youth is a thing. So I think that has another that's another big area, is that it's so easy to access information and communicate with people. Now, that's very true. What advice do you give to women who feel like they've let themselves go and they're worried that it's like it's too late? Well, do you want it to be too late, and are you open to changing your story around that? Because I don't believe it's ever too late. We maybe they even know where to start, yeah, and where they should start. So the first thing I think you should do is make a decision that you want something different for yourself. That might sound really basic, and it might annoy you when I say that, but really make a decision, because making a decision is not saying I heard a podcast and they said, or I'm feeling bad, or my doctor said that making a decision is I've decided that I want to change my reality here. I want to that that would be step one, and Step two would start getting like, to fantasize and daydream about what it is that you might want for yourself, like, what would that future version of you look like? What could that be? So getting clear on that, and then it's not trying to do everything at one time, not trying to, like, I usually push people towards my the seven day jump start first, because it's just like a basic breakdown of how to eat, on process, how to take baby steps and to start getting into motion. But when we try to do everything and like, I'm gonna go carnivore, I'm gonna go vegan, or I'm gonna like, I'm going to give up this, or I'm going to go that it's too much, and our brains can't do too much at one time. So let's make a decision, sort of thinking about the vision, and then take a baby step and just start moving in the right direction. I love that idea. Are there any supplements or biohacks, longevity hacks, that you're personally really into right now? Oh my gosh, there's so many. And if you don't mind, I'll even give you a little link, but I I update. It's called, if you go to age optimizer.com, I update my list of supplements and bio hacks every quarter, because I change what I'm learning. I hate the word biohacking. I call it age optimizing because I don't want to hack anything. I just want to optimize what works. So there's lots of things I do. There's definitely some key supplements that I take. I'm very focused on

Unknown Speaker 27:07 some, some of the nice age optimizing tools, but I will tell you that there's a few things that don't cost any money and are just available to us that I think everyone needs to pay attention to. One is and this is going to be interesting talking to a beauty doctor with that knows dermatology and face, but I think we need a little bit of natural sunlight. We need to get outside.

Unknown Speaker 27:27 So I think people have gotten very scared of the sun. I'm not saying go fry your skin or tan it, or even sun, none of that. But I'm saying you got to get a little natural light in you every day, stepping outside, getting sun in your eyes, getting sun just I do 15 minutes a day. I just, in the morning, walk outside make sure sun's hitting me. You feel so different. We need the sun. There's also just walking is like one of the best age optimizing things you could do also free. Are we walking next? Are we hydrating? Most people are not hydrating enough, so just drinking enough water. People can roll their eyes at like, these basic things, but my question back is, but are you doing them? Because most people are not. They're not hydrating enough, they're not walking and they're not getting outside in the sun. So those things, right, there are key and then after that, yes, supplements, I do think are very important. I don't believe we can get everything from our diet, but it's not as an extreme supplement regimen, as you think, like, there's certain things we all need. Like, I think all women are pretty deficient in vitamin D. We need vitamin D, and you need it to be with vitamin k2 in order to make that work. Really important. Magnesium is another one we tend to be really lacking on. We all need magnesium very, very important. I think we all need to be looking at things like collagen. Very important. Collagen having a protein supplement if you're not eating enough protein. Also very important. I love things like glutathione. I think that's another it's a master antioxidant. I don't believe we get enough of that. Most people and you're not going to get enough of that. I'm also a huge fan of polyphenols. So Polyphenols are basically what you would get if you ate a megadose of fruits and vegetables. So if you're not eating that, making, taking those things, taking polyphenols, and being really aware of that, and trying to think, there's a lot of things that I take minerals. I think minerals are huge. I think many of us, we have trillions of cells in our bodies, and we're pretty mineral depleted. But I do at age optimizer.com have literally, like, I list every single thing that I'm doing, and I'm always revamping it every quarter. I love that I think all of those things that you mentioned are so important, I would agree with each and every one of them. And then, are you doing NAD? NAD precursors? Great question. Yeah. So I know there's a lot of buzz about NAD and NMN, which is like the precursor to that. Here's what I think is missing from that. I think for some people it's hugely beneficial, depending on our DNA and our markers. Some people actually it can be overkill for them. So, and I'm one of those people, by the way, if we have slower mitochondrial function genetically, when you take something like.

Unknown Speaker 30:00 Ad right away. It's like putting gasoline in a bicycle, like it's it's not, it's too it's almost too much, and you'll feel shaky or nauseous or too stimulant. It's a little bit of overkill, and your body doesn't know what to do with it. So I like people to go kind of back a few steps. Sometimes, NMN is great for people. Sometimes it's still a little too strong. You can go back even further and do things like Mito pure. Mito pure creates urolithin, a in your body, which is like another precursor to that, or even more basic, is polyphenols. So doing polyphenols, doing co Q 10, doing quercetin, like some things like that, will also help kick your mitochondria up without it being overkill. So I don't know that everybody needs NAD transfusions or some of those. Yeah, I think it's nice to start with just oral supplementation. And I always think Frank will bring on one supplement per month. Yes, I agree. Really slowly, integrate it, really assess if it's changing or helping or tweaking any of your baseline symptoms, and then add from there, because you can throw the kitchen sink at it, you won't know what's working at all. No, you have to really listen to, how does this affect me? Yeah, everything affects everyone differently. I mean, like, No, I know. I was taking, I got on the NAD train, like, and I was injecting it at home. Like, I was like, oh, and I, I started having panic attacks. I'm like, why am I having what's going on? I never had panic attacks. And come to find out that I have this marker in my DNA that doesn't do well with that. Well, I wouldn't How would I have known that? So we just have to listen to our bodies. Just because you see an influencer or an ad or someone tells you do this, you still have to assess in your own body. Yeah, our bodies are very intelligent. The Biology of how we were created is pretty damn amazing. So I think when you try do too much and over supplement and overdo these treatments, you can also go the exact wrong way,

Unknown Speaker 31:52 like a DNA methylation test, or what test I did. I've done it many times, different DNA tests. The most recent one I did through a friend of mine. His name is cash, but he they he used to own the DNA company. It's not so much just doing the DNA, it's it's having someone that knows how to interpret it. So you have to dig a little bit to understand and I don't necessarily think people need to go right away to that. That's not the first thing. I think the the most important thing from that conversation is listen to your body. So if something doesn't feel right? You question it. Sometimes things are too strong for people. One of the issues with the whole biohacking world, and I guess I kind of fall into that, like, I definitely talk and have a lot of guests on my show about biohack, so I see where this what happens here, but what happens is, a lot of the biohackers, they're like, extreme healthy, right? So they're like this top echelon, and they're now, they're taking something like this is a great for me, but what we have to look at is not everybody is completely optimized like that. So there's a lot of steps before that that we have to look at, and it's dangerous to go just this one pill or one thing. So a lot of the supplements and things I recommend are very gentle and they're it's something that we all could use, like minerals. Minerals are not going to hurt people, right there. We all need them. Vitamin C, that's another one. I didn't mention not going to hurt people. A lot of people are deficient in vitamin C, vitamin D, also, but same with even something natural like vitamin D, you can overdo that. You can if you take too much vitamin D, you'll start having issues with with liver. So, so there's a lot of, you know, a lot of nuances, that's so true. Um, on my podcast, I talk a lot about exploring how internal health shows up on your skin and how, like that your beauty truly is reflected by what you are internally. Has your skin changed during midlife and what? Yes, favorite skin and self care rituals are you doing? Yes, oh, I definitely have to send you my skincare. Yes, I can't wait to try it so. Well, first of all, I'm going to take ownership that I was anorexic in my teens and 20s, and I went to tanning beds. And I wish I could rewind doing that, because I wasn't just 15 minutes in the sun. I was like, literally, tanorexic. So I was addicted to the sun, and what came out in my 40s is lots and lots of brown spots on my skin, lots of them that are nothing gets those off. If you have some miracle thing that gets them off, I'm open to trying. I feel like I've done like the IPL, I've done laser, I've done the Alexandra. I've done so much burning of my spots, they just come right back. So, so that's that's one. But I also noticed after 50, when I went into menopause, really, like, the creepiness changes, like, the my skin has that creepy, the the like, the fine line, creepy that I just don't want, and I don't, I wish there was a way to really, really change that. Um, the only thing that I have found that has made any there's a couple things that have made, I think, a difference, not like a night and day before and after, that would wow people, but I can see a subtle difference. Is a few things. One, I started using one skin for my body, and that's a they have an OS 01 peptide that I think is making a subtle difference. I also use a lot of castor oil, so I'll take castor oil actually mix it with lotion.

Unknown Speaker 35:00 And I'll put that on everyday slather, and then I also do a lot of infrared sauna with the red light. And I think that combination, there is research showing that it helps do I think it's going to reverse me to 20 year old skin Absolutely not. My hope is just to not keep it going as in a decline. I also think estrogen replacement is really, really critical if we want to stop our skin from declining like that. But I'm not the dermatologist and I'm not the doctor, so you probably have way better tips than I just rattled off. No, those are all great tips. I think red light is probably the most scientific one there that that's really going to improve, like nitric oxide levels in your skin for circulation, and you'll see a big difference with that too. What do you think about Aging Gracefully or aggressively treating now that we have all these treatments and like, really staying on the aging process? So I think that people should get to age how they want to age. So I don't have any judgment. If you want to age completely do nothing, or you want to do all the things and fix it all. I would say I am a middle ground, probably leaning up towards the fix it all. I am definitely not an all natural situation over here. I'm I'm all for it, but you're beautiful. Whatever you're doing, it's working. Thank you. I mean, I shared publicly recently about getting an upper eye and a lower eye bleph and a fat transfer there. I am sure I will do a lot more. You know, I don't I'm the way that I like to think about it is, if it's affecting my life, if it's affecting how I show up, then it's important for me to take look at that. So I don't like to do everything at one time. I'm that person that every few years I'll do like a little tweak, and then it's to me, that's the way that I like to do it. I don't see myself doing like a full do everything at one time. I do things as as they're coming up for me.

Unknown Speaker 36:41 I do do treatments, things like IPL or microneedling. I like to, I like to experiment what I don't actually do in me, and I know you're a huge fan of them. Dr, K, maybe I just have to, would have to try with you. I don't do any filler. I've not done any filler. I'm scared of that. I'm scared of what I see people looking like with filler. I'm scared of it migrating. I know that you said that that's just more technique and the surgeon. So I'm not necessarily against it. For other people, I've just been scared of that. Yeah, yeah. I think that we see so much bad and work out there that people relate that to what it is. But like, you know, my clients all look great, and it's placement, surgical placement, precision. There's a lot of finesse involved, and I think that there are too many injectors out there that don't know what they're doing. Don't know what they're doing. So I think it's also key that, like you're a surgeon, because I think what, a lot of people go to med spas. And I'm not saying anything against med spas, I'm sure there's amazing people, but I think it's a little bit different having a facial surgeon doing that than, you know, just than anyone. Yeah, I think I would imagine it's very different. And I also really love to use collagen stimulators. So I would say more than half of my practice is using products that grow your own colleges. Oh, that's amazing. Kind of remains firm and taught. It's very invisible, and it's very long lasting, like collagen can last 10 years when you trigger new collagen growth. So it's the kind of thing that I my patients, I think are going to not need surgery until they reach, literally, their late 60s. And I think that's such a valuable thing. Like, that's amazing. Woman really wants to have surgery, like, including me, like, oh yeah, someday, but do I want to have surgery? No, I don't want to have surgery. And so I hear philosophy, I've actually a surgery. This is funny, but, I mean, I've had, Now, granted, I've had a lot of surgeries. It's kind of like a joke in my family. Now, not all cosmetic, but I've had, you know, I had, I had five boob jobs between the age of 19 and 30. Sorry, for 32 years. God. And then now I have an ex. I had an explant, finally. But I, you know, I had a nose job when I was 1615, years old, 15 years old. Yeah. So I've been but I also had injuries, bicep, tear, lower back, like I've had my share. So I'm not scared of surgery. Why I kind of like facial surgery, if you have an amazing doctor, if you've got the right surgeon, is, to me, it's restorative. It's like bringing you back to what you were, where, when we just, and again, I'm not the expert. I'm just saying my Natalie's opinion here, if we just use filler and toxins or whatever, that's not truly like bringing you back to what you were. But when you can actually do a surgery and fix the structure, I think it ends up looking more natural. Now, granted, if you do too many things or it's not a great surgeon, that could be an opposite problem. But I feel like if you go to the right surgeon. I have so many friends. They look so good because it's subtle, subtle little things they did. Yeah, it's definitely the best permanent solution for you know, with surgical change and when, when you need to tighten and trim, there's no other option. Like, we certainly don't want to take laxity and drooping and gravity changes and just fill them in a low position. That's the wrong thing to do. So surgery definitely has a role. But I think with good maintenance, like, this generation of women's going to age differently and require surgery for sure, hopefully different ages and and, yeah, but a good bluff takes 10 years off your base, and really it makes you think, like, Why did I wait so long? And like, a minute? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 40:00 At the right age, can get you through your 50s, and then to do a when your neck starts to bother you, that's when we're going to do a full face. Yeah, lift. So when I did my bleph, the surgeon was like, Do you want to do a brow lift too? And he kind of showed me, you know, how that would make a difference. But it was really subtle. But I said no, and not because it wouldn't look amazing like but I thought I just, I want, for me, gradual things. So I'm like, let me start with eyes. I can always go back in and do that if I need to. But I didn't want to just all of a sudden go change all the things. So, yeah, that's just how I choose to do it. Like, little things at a time. I love that. It's the right approach. I think for most people, actually, it's not intimidating. You can kind of gradually, you retain your identity. You don't want to change like that's the scary part about surgery. Is changing your facial identity a little bit more than you expect. Yeah, but it's all such an art. I think it's really important that people research who the surgeon is, who the injector is. Like you want to know who their beauty muses are in their head. What does beauty look like? Because I don't know half the guys out there, I wouldn't let them put eyeliner on me, let touch me with the scalpel, because they don't know. Yeah, my definition of beauty is way different from their so it's really an important process to get to know that when you're finding someone to take care of your face. I think I had no interest in having anyone touch my face. That was not a facial plastic surgery. Like that's what I looked for. So to me, like, I love my doctor that did my explant. He's amazing for explant, but he had said I could have done the I think I'm like, I know you could have done it, but I don't that's not, that's not what I'm choosing. I want someone that does them all day long, exactly. Well, Natalie, with like, your huge community of over 3 million followers, on your podcast, which I think is so important the midlife conversations. What messages do you think that women most need to hear right now?

Unknown Speaker 41:47 Gosh, what do they need to hear right now? Well, one that you're not alone. I mean, there's so many women going through exactly what you're walking through. I know you might think you're alone, but there's other women going through what you're you're walking through. My advice is not to stay

Unknown Speaker 42:01 in an echo chamber of what's wrong. So if you've got a whole circle of friends telling you aging sucks and you're right, that sucks, and listening to you complain and that is not going to support you get the next level. Find a level up of people that are actually stepping in and becoming what you want, and that's how you're going to thrive and truly change your life, change your body, change your health. You know, I'm considering this yet another. It'll be like surgery 13, another surgery for my back. That's a whole nother long story, but I had mentioned to a friend this morning, she's like, I saw you talking about this, that you might do this disc replacement, and I'm worried about you. And I left her a message back, and I said, please do not send me a message that you're worried about me. I appreciate you, but don't send that. That's not the energy I want. I am good. I don't want to talk about what could go wrong, or why you're worried, or why you're sorry. I have to do this. No, that's not the energy. And she's like, totally got it, and that is I have to use to train people like, I don't want people to say you're right, that sucks, or I want people that are like, you're going to be stronger than ever, or you're going to, you know, that is what I want. So whatever you're navigating in your life, look

Unknown Speaker 43:07 for that energy that's going to get you where you want to go, not to commiserate with you and bring you down.

Unknown Speaker 43:13 So important, let's do some fun rapid fire things to wrap things up. What is one food you'll never eat again?

Unknown Speaker 43:20 Olives. Gross.

Unknown Speaker 43:23 I don't know how people eat olives. I think they're disgusting. Touch my food. I have to send it back. I can't that is hysterical. Okay, your top beauty product that you can't live without. Oh gosh, top beauty product I can't live without. That's a hard one. Okay, I'll say hi later, because I like having glowy skin, actually, me too. I really enjoy using that lately. What's your current fitness obsession?

Unknown Speaker 43:50 Lifting heavy I want. I used to teach only body weight, and I'm really part of why I want to have my disc replacement is I cannot physically squat anymore because I have no disc zero between all 5s one, it ruptured out. So I would say my current obsession is lifting heavy. I am obsessed with, how can I build more muscle in my 50s, because I want to be super mobile and fit in my 90s. So that is my current obsession, amazing, and your favorite kind of quote or mantra that keeps you going, excuses or solutions, you decide that's mine. I made it up years ago, and I believe I still live by it. Excuses or solutions, you decide, because I believe we should all be living in possibility, not problem and opportunity, not circumstance. So I remind myself of that all the time, and that's a great one to keep in our heads going forward in this midlife conversation so well, I think that was such an amazing talk. I hope that patients and clients can reach out and find you. Do you do, like private counseling and I do? I do? I do? I do total body thrive. Is my signature program where you actually can get a group experience and really get all of my best information in total body thrive. I also have.

Unknown Speaker 45:00 Seven Day jump start. The seven day jump start. It's a book form, but I also have an electronic and amazing program around that, which is like, I just want to start something. I do take one on one clients. Very, very few. I take maybe 10 a year. I'm very selective. Not only do you'd have to be a candidate for that, I'd have to really believe that you're open to changing and thinking outside the box and doing that. But yes, I do work with maybe 10 a year where I will private coach them with all of this awesome and where can people find you on the gram and check out? Yeah, you've written Great. I'm Natalie Jill fit on any on Instagram and Facebook and Tiktok kind of I'm not. I'm not as active as I should be there.

Unknown Speaker 45:44 My podcast is midlife conversations, and my website is Natalie jill.com

Unknown Speaker 45:50 Awesome. And you're tell this again, that supplement site, oh, age optimizer.com and I'll send you that too. I believe it's age optimizer.com I think that's the right link. And there's a, I have a free supplement guide that I always have available. I update it all the time. Um, every quarter. I'm, yeah, let's see. It's actually age optimizer.com

Unknown Speaker 46:09 and that is where you can get my free supplement guide. It's, I keep all my my little bio hacks in there every quarter I updated. Awesome. We'll have to check that out. I'll put that in the show notes. Well, guys, that's it for now. Don't forget to check out Natalie Jill and her amazing podcast and conversations. When I met her in person, I knew this was someone with the energy that I want is around me motivating this decade of life, and I know you're going to get a lot of info from her. Don't forget to find me on my instagram. It's Beauty by Dr, k, d, r, k, a, y, and that's where you can find me doing amazing things with people's faces, and our website is the same Beauty by Dr cade.com

Unknown Speaker 46:45 I'm going to send you some amazing skin care and our internal radiance, collagen peptides, which are the best collagen peptides, varisol and Forta bone, which are clinically proven to improve bone density and skin my favorite that I use every Day,

Unknown Speaker 47:00 and that's it for now. Guys stay beautiful. Keep that proper mindset, and excuses are excused. Are solutions that you decide for your life. That's great advice to end on. Thanks so much. Natalie, that's it for now. Guys stay beautiful. You

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