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Maisie: Page 94, the Private Eye Podcast

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Andy: Hello and welcome to
another episode of Page 94.

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My name's Andrew Hunter Murray, and I'm
here in the private eye office with Helen

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Lewis, Adam McQueen and Sarai Shannon.

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We are gonna be talking about all
sorts of things in this episode.

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We've got three cracking
subjects lined up later on.

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We're gonna be having a quiz.

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We're

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Adam: Yay,

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Helen: yay,

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Andy: it's

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summer.

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Why not?

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we're also going to be having
a chat about, America, which

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apparently has an Army.

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And is very excited to show it off.

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But first we thought we'd
cover something close to home.

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So you will have doubtless noticed.

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The fact that Reform, the party have been
in the news a great deal recently, partly

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because, their chair Zia Yusuf resigned
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that's been the big ticket
headline about Reform recently.

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But actually, of course.

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Reform have been far more prominent
because on the 1st of May they

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won big in quite a lot of local
elections all around the country.

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So they took control of 10
local authorities outright.

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, Sarai who has been writing a little bit
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in those 10, county councils and local
authorities since the beginning of May.

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So Sarai, we, wanted to ask you,
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Agenda that they

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have?

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what is their big,
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Sarah: I think first of all, Reform
UK is going to be the gift that keeps

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on giving to the Rotten Boroughs page.

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I think the last five issues, they've
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thank you very much.

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and, no, the, two key.

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Themes to emerge, I think, are that,
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them haven't hung around for very long.

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we're only six weeks from the election
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resigned or been suspended from the party.

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For various reasons.

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Andy: I hope we get into those reasons.

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Sarah: and the other thing, to note
is the sort of lack of policy or

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the policies they have got seem to
be getting them into lots of hot

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Helen: hang on a minute, they've got
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Is it count Iran now that it's now the UK
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your county flag, but absolutely not.

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The bisexual flag?

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No, which, and yeah, no, 'cause
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The TOS got involved too, and the TOS
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David Lamie was seen hoisting the
bisexual flag over Whitehall, which I

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think is my favorite euphemism I've ever

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Andy: flies both ways
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Sarah: particularly

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Adam: the bisexual flag
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Adam: L and the G and the T
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Sarah: No bees.

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And also the Ukraine flag

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Andy: so one of the big claims
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local election is that they can
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And, they wanted to say that they're going
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deficiency, Elon Musk's American outfit.

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They said that local councils
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and savings from efficiency.

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is there any evidence of
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Sarah: that project has begun.

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but let's just say the road's been a
bit bumpy so far because, the people

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that took charge of that were Zia Yusef,
the chairman of Reform, who resigned

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recently, and then Unresigned, and a
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Kind of our answer to Elon
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Sarah: He wears, a baseball cap, but
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yet, but I, guess it is only time.

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So they unresigned and now they're.

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Back looking through the books
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residents are getting a bit nervous.

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They're saying, is our personal
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We are not sure we really want reform.

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UK's head office raking
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They are covered by rules and
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So you know that they're
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And then one resident told the Eye that
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in the interest of transparency, would
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that I could check through everything that
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Andy: 'Cause Rotten Borough is
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wasteful spending by councils.

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And it's frequently along the lines
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inflated council salaries for heads
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officers, that kind of thing.

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That does feel like an area where
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But actually, obviously most
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up to 80% of their budget on
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So I'm trying to work out what.

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Where these big savings are going to

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Sarah: to supposedly come from?

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the idea that there's huge savings to
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When councils are cut to the bone,
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It's 2010.

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they're having to make cutbacks
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We're seeing councils going
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having to have government bailouts,
there's not loads of money sloshing around

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in local government ready to be cut,

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they're not saying they're going
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payouts to departing executives,

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Sarah: they haven't really got.

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Which I think was what Rupert Lowe pointed
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was that, where are the actual policy
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Street renewal and things like that.

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we need some actual facts, but the things
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like net zero, low traffic neighborhoods.

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That was my favorite because Zia
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become havens for, motorists with no
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'cause they were gonna
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And then it turned out that none
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traffic neighborhoods anyway.

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Andy: But also they don't,
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of money on, net zero projects.

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Sarah: No, exactly.

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And also in, for example, in Greater
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in a huge amount of money into the county.

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I think 980 million
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So Andrea Jenkins, the new mayor,
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isn't gonna go down very well with
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Adam: Is part of the problem the way
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'cause very few people actually bother
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about the minutiae of local government
and who does what, including, it sounds

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like an awful lot of the people who
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but they tend to do it on a sort
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feeling about national politics
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And at the moment we've got Nigel
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riding, really high in the polls.

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And people think, this is a way to
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And then you end up with people
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very little they can do in terms
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budgets in very, specific areas.

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But when it comes to the, big things
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which is MI migration and, EDI and,
net zero and those kind of things,

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actually, there's not many levers
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Sarah: No, exactly.

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I mean you have to assume
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Adam: that's part of, is that part
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have already resigned as well?

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'cause they were effectively gonna
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always get in elections, don't you?

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Parties put up certain people 'cause
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And then there has, this has
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support from a few people.

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Ended up, hang on, I've been elected.

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I didn't actually mean to at all.

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Sarah: I think that was.

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One of the problems, I'll
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candidates that have resigned.

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There was a guy in Durham called
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he was, working for the council
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the council and be a counselor.

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Whether he hadn't spotted
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Adam: that saves some
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Sarah: I don't really know.

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And then there was a chap
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Staffordshire council, and he resigned
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be related to a Facebook post he'd put up
saying that he thought one way of getting

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rid of small boats crossing the channel
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Helen: Yes, it did have that air
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you said that the start of that
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Choppy waters ahead.

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Sarah: So I think there must have been
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to wake up and find themselves.

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counselors delighted in some cases.

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and the irony is that, reform UK is
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taxpayers money, and they've already
got, five by elections to run e, each

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of which is gonna cost about 25 grand.

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Helen: the other thing is I think
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every single one of these because
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national level, they want to run the
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And I think this is very annoying to the
liberal democrats who think what are we.

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Chop liver, and it's very annoying to
the Conservative Party who still exists,

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but they know that lots and lots of
people, for all the people that love

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Nigel Farage, there are a lot of people
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difficult set of years financially.

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But what that also means is that the
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looking into a lot of these, right?

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there'll be a lot of
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Andy: people

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big barrel, a lot of fish

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Adam: the problem they're facing.

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'cause everyone's getting very excited,
as I say about Reform being very high in

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the, kind of national polls at the moment.

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But because of the way our electoral
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show, it can't just be Nigel Frost show.

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He's gotta find 650 candidates,
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Facebook posts that talk about that
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in the closet or anything that's that.

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Quite a challenge going on
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Andy: got, is it five mps now?

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'cause Rupert Low left and then the
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But of those five, there's already
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So if you scale that up to a
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Adam: And the scrutiny you get
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standing for parliament, is so much
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as a local councilor, isn't it?

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research unit keeping a Reform Watch.

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they're, not giving up hope.

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Adam: but journalists as well,
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of the, grind of a General Election
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It's going on battle buses

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and saying, what, Kia or Kemi said
when standing in front of what vehicle,

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in what factory at any given time.

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So the joy of having a a sort of a Jared
o Omar or other, loon who you've managed

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to dig out some, crazy online stuff from.

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And, and, do that

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Helen: story

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instead.

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But have we crossed a kind of loon,
a porous loon barrier, which we will

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now not be able to retrench from?

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Because I just wonder if we're getting
into a bit of that post cancellation zone.

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And I know you will have appreciate
Adam as much as me watching the

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new, the replacement for EF David
Boulogne party Chairman talk

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about his belief in ghosts on it.

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Read to Richard Madeley, which
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television that I've seen all year

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this.

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Was he talking about
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Helen: Reforms

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appointed?

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'cause he used to host most haunted
Live, And he told an incredible story.

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So Richard Madeley being Richard
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Britain is dying to know the answer
to, and said, do you believe in ghosts?

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Which you can feel that Laura Kosberg,
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her, but, and he was like, yes, I do.

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about filming Most haunted live.

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He turned up, he felt there was a
presence in the back of his car.

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He turned up at the hotel and Derek
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You didn't come here alone, did you?

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Which he took to be massively spooky, but
could also equally be just a very generic

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question that you asked, oh, you not
brought someone with you to this hotel.

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and then De Cora said that he
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grandmother, but which he started
to do, but then immediately

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started to try and strangle him.

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Andy: Sorry.

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Adam: says something about family
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so da.

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Wait, David Bull's bodyguards at
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Kora, as it were.

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And the next morning, David Boulogne
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a malevolent spirit came through.

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Sarah: Oh, and.

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Helen: Richard made Lee's response
to this was magnificent, which

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was, and you'd have had him hanged
under your plan, wouldn't you?

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Wouldn't you, Derek?

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They were bought.

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No one out made Lee's the Madely.

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Andy: Is this a vote winner?

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A lot of people

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Helen: this and loads of people believe
in ghosts, but I just thought it,

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if you can now just be talking about
your love of ghosts and ITV breakfast

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shows, maybe the, our belief that the
kind of crank element of, Reform is

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gonna inhibit them, may be tragically

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wrong.

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Andy: this is a smaller ver this is a
smaller version of Trumpism, isn't it?

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Have you've got a thousand
targets to a match?

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Helen: Yeah.

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Or the guy in the Greens who
thought he could hypnotize women's,

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to get their breasts bigger,

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Andy: but he

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ha he has he stepped down from
running for the leadership?

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Okay.

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Helen: No.

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Maybe there's a huge boob
hypnosis vote out there, Andrew.

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you just don't know.

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actually there is', I dunno about their
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certainly a very kind of porous membrane
between people who are going to that

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right wing reforming type ticket and.

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Some quite serious conspiracy
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we wrote a bit in the last, last
issue about, Neil Oliver, who was

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a presenter on GB News, which is
if anything it's the reform TV

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channel.

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he's now actually, he's so wacky
and out there that they've taken him

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off air and put him on, online only.

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Ofcom, get no say over what he says
or doesn't say, but he's been quite

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happily retweeting David Ike and
talking about, how outside forces

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are controlling our world and
recording videos with Beverly Turner.

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is it Beverly Turner?

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I think there's another GB news
presenter who, about how COVID may

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never have existed in the first place.

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there, there is an audience out
there for, and they are politically

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a politically active audience
who, who like this kind of thing.

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So maybe the.

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Kind of what was, David Cameron's phrase
about pp reform brutal fruitcakes loons

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and, ra and closet racist, wasn't it?

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no, and the racism is certainly less
closet for in, in a lot of cases now.

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But the, the loons and the fruitcakes
are also having a bit of a day in the sun

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Sarah: these

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days,

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Helen: yeah, but I think there
is gonna be an interesting point

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about when the scrutiny comes in.

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'cause as you say, Sarai, they've now
got all these counselors who will be

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doing things that will either delight
or annoy their constituents, but

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they're also predicted to do quite
well in the Welsh elections next year.

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They're doing increasingly well
in Scotland after having some sort

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of slightly high handed Scottish
commentary about how the, these English

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racists will never get foothold here.

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Actually not doing badly.

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Andy: They came third in the
recent by election, but with a,

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the high twenties share of the

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Helen: vote,

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but this is happening a lot.

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They often come in not what
objectively doesn't look like a

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great position, but from absolutely
nowhere with very little campaigning

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base, as you say, paper candidates
essentially sometimes being put up.

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The vibe is definitely, people
are, really pissed off with Labour.

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They don't, they haven't
yet forgiven the Tories.

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Everyone's forgotten about the
existence of the Lib Dems unless

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you live in the Gails belt.

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And then there's who
else or who else is left?

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Andy: Can I give you one more stat,
which I just found interesting about

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a, major plank of Reforms, , appeal.

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It's certainly in the councils
they're running, which is the

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idea of we need British Doge.

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This is from about a week ago.

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This is a u gov poll From everything
you've seen and heard, do you have

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a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of the US Government's Department

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of Government efficiency at Doge?

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Very Favorable: 6%,
Somewhat Favorable: 9%.

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So 15 in total have a
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Somewhat Unfavorable: 13%.

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Very Unfavorable, 34% and
then lots of Don't Knows, 37%.

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This is not, it appears
to, I'm just looking

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at

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these numbers, thinking

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this

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Sarah: is

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like unpopular

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Andy: almost.

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what's the reasoning?

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Helen: it?

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But the answer is that Doge
is an idea, is incredible.

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Doge in reality was terrible.

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and this is what you were coming
back to saying that about slashing

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the budgets, the idea of, I, there's
lots of people being paid 50,000

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grand a year to be the gay officer in
Northampshire and we'll get rid of that.

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that, like that is a workable proposition.

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It's just obviously these
stories often end up not to be

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what you might call... True.

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And then what actually ends up
happening is that they get in, see

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that 70% of the budget goes on social
care, and the idea of chucking old

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people out onto the street is not that

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Sarah: popular

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in

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Lincolnshire.

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Andrew Jenkins big thing was to
get rid of DEI related things,

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diversity, equity, and inclusion.

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And then pointed out to her that
there were no DEI related posts on

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her new council and she said, they're
hiding under other, names like,

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like community outreach officers.

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Helen: So I can see why in principle, doge
really appeals to him in the same way.

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It massive Elon Musk going on
stage and saying, I'm gonna cut 2

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trillion from the federal budget,
got a clap line every time.

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It's just that he got there and
he was like, oh, should we take

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benefits away from veterans?

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Adam: it'll be very hard for anyone
who's been reading private eyes

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rotten borough columns for however
many years to, object to the idea

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of someone going in and actually
getting rid of excessive spending.

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But also when it comes to the realism
of what you can do, as you say,

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Sarah: That's true.

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And just, at a moment where.

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Councils are really struggling
with very small budgets for really

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emergency essential services.

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It seems like and it'll be interesting
to see where they come up with that.

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That needs to be cut.

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Andy: Are there any more, especially
juicy or weird councils or councilors

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Sarah: there's this chap in Lester
Cher called Andrew Hamilton Gray.

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And he failed to mention to voters
that he'd been sacked from the police

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last year, after a long career in the
police, he had been, reporting himself

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in as sick, and actually he'd been
delivering cars for a luxury car company,

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but he did tell the voters that he
was a longstanding public servant.

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Just didn't mention that until
quite recently when I'm now I'm not

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Helen: yeah.

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And then they find out

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what I was

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really doing.

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Sarah: yes,

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Andy: I'm sure there's gonna be a
lot more about reform in, in the

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coming issues of rotten boroughs
and the coming pages of the

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Sarah: Mac,

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I'm sure.

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Andy: Right now we're back
for part two of the podcast.

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And actually little, little team change.

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We've had a substitution, Sarai
Shannon has regenerated as Ian Hislop.

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Hello

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Ian.

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Ian: Hello.

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I'm going to turn into
Billy Piper in a minute.

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Helen: a minute.

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Andy: so for this one I thought it might
be fun to get into, it via a joke piece.

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'cause there was a joke in
the last, Eye, which was.

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the headline was America Invades America.

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And this is about the fact that having
taken office promising to, annex

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Canada, take over Venezuela, control
the Suez Canal, various other bits

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around the world, Donald Trump has
now deployed the Army to, California.

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And this coincided last weekend scenes
of, riots and National Guard, the

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Marines being sent in, with a huge
military parade in Washington, DC

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where Trump was celebrating the, US
Army and they were celebrating their

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250th birthday, but they had not
originally intended to have a parade.

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for Trump's 79th birthday, so he's
one third as old as the US Army.

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Interesting.

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he had said I'd like to have
a parade on my birthday.

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Lots of tanks, lots of soldiers.

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Helen, how did it go?

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Helen: Very badly.

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I'm delighted to report.

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there was a guy carrying a drone that
was a low point, hoisting it, a loft,

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Andy: But he was also holding
the remote controller.

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Helen: Yeah.

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I presume you just can't

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fly

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Adam: hadn't charged the batteries.

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They forgot someone forgot

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Helen: Exactly.

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Ages three and up they, yeah.

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But, but also they couldn't march.

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fundamentally, they were not in time
anyway, I've conducted extensive

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investigation to this by asking military
contacts and the theory is apparently

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it's very hard to march without a
drumbeat of some sort to keep you in time.

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And the fact they were playing Fortunate
Sun and YMCA and whatever, the disco

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classics didn't help as if the fact,
apparently if you're wearing rubber

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boots, combat boots, they don't make
enough of a snap on the floor to be

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able to, again, keep you in time.

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Andy: over here.

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Of course, we also had, we had the
king's birthday on, on same day

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and the, the trooping of the color

477
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Have we just been spoiled by
Britain's traditional mastery

478
00:19:37,957 --> 00:19:39,607
of pageantry over the years?

479
00:19:39,607 --> 00:19:39,847
Are we

480
00:19:39,851 --> 00:19:40,121
Ian: used

481
00:19:40,121 --> 00:19:40,211
to

482
00:19:40,211 --> 00:19:40,271
it?

483
00:19:40,271 --> 00:19:40,691
I'm afraid.

484
00:19:40,691 --> 00:19:45,101
I watched both ceremonies,
with a swell of pride,

485
00:19:46,095 --> 00:19:46,683
thinking.

486
00:19:47,193 --> 00:19:50,681
They have Trump's birthday,
which I've decided is now the

487
00:19:50,681 --> 00:19:52,151
trooping of the color orange.

488
00:19:53,666 --> 00:19:55,376
It always to be known.

489
00:19:55,796 --> 00:20:00,026
And it does make very, clear the
boring constitutional point that,

490
00:20:00,906 --> 00:20:05,606
pro-Monachists always raise is loyalty
to The Crown means you don't end up

491
00:20:05,606 --> 00:20:09,776
with loyalty to a big orange man,
baby, celebrating his own birthday.

492
00:20:09,776 --> 00:20:14,066
And there's, a dignity even
if it's, mildly amusing.

493
00:20:14,414 --> 00:20:17,972
to watch the antics of the royal
family on the balcony entities.

494
00:20:18,262 --> 00:20:24,891
but that somehow is less, undignified
than watching a frankly shambolic

495
00:20:25,131 --> 00:20:29,661
display of non marching, to commemorate
an event which Trump didn't seem

496
00:20:29,661 --> 00:20:31,101
to understand what had happened,

497
00:20:31,518 --> 00:20:34,982
Andy: So couldn't march because there
was no drumbeat and they were in

498
00:20:35,361 --> 00:20:36,021
Helen: soft sold

499
00:20:36,062 --> 00:20:37,382
Andy: wrong Shoes, yeah.

500
00:20:37,712 --> 00:20:39,272
But it looked like they
were out for a walk.

501
00:20:39,411 --> 00:20:40,671
Helen: they just ambled
along, didn't they?

502
00:20:40,671 --> 00:20:44,241
There was no other crisp kind of say
what you like about North Korea, but

503
00:20:44,241 --> 00:20:45,411
they know how to put on a parade.

504
00:20:45,546 --> 00:20:45,756
Ian: that's,

505
00:20:45,842 --> 00:20:50,612
Andy: I imagine that North Korea, Russia,
that, they, the huge where they, wheel the

506
00:20:51,392 --> 00:20:52,952
Cruise missiles through the main square.

507
00:20:53,072 --> 00:20:54,662
they've had decades of practice of this.

508
00:20:54,662 --> 00:20:56,522
So is it simply about that?

509
00:20:57,006 --> 00:20:59,766
Helen: but also that it, it's
about what you want your Army for.

510
00:20:59,796 --> 00:21:02,286
Do you want a huge ceremonial
Army that are drilled in this all

511
00:21:02,286 --> 00:21:03,396
the time, or do you want an Army?

512
00:21:03,576 --> 00:21:06,276
Lots of people in the US Army that
were on that parade, they'll work

513
00:21:06,276 --> 00:21:09,276
in things like beaten and drone
operators over kind of Pakistan.

514
00:21:09,396 --> 00:21:10,596
They're not necessarily.

515
00:21:10,886 --> 00:21:13,586
That sort of, they're not
the marchy type of soldier

516
00:21:13,741 --> 00:21:14,791
Ian: but the mood was wrong.

517
00:21:15,361 --> 00:21:17,461
Americans traditionally don't do this.

518
00:21:18,241 --> 00:21:24,151
one of the marks of being a fascist is
you have military parades, which celebrate

519
00:21:24,151 --> 00:21:28,677
the, commander in chief, which, in our
case is a member of the royal family,

520
00:21:28,677 --> 00:21:31,737
or it's Princess Ann in a terrific hat.

521
00:21:31,827 --> 00:21:33,957
No, she's not command in chief.

522
00:21:34,137 --> 00:21:36,867
I'm perfectly aware of that,
but you get that feel to it.

523
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:37,230
in

524
00:21:37,230 --> 00:21:41,455
America, traditionally, they
associate that with, fascist,

525
00:21:41,547 --> 00:21:43,679
regimes or communist regimes.

526
00:21:44,099 --> 00:21:49,207
It's surprisingly un-American, and
the only bit that I thought was

527
00:21:49,207 --> 00:21:54,068
genuine American, I. Well, the Helen
agrees was the recreation of, the

528
00:21:54,068 --> 00:21:58,268
dressing up of the first defeat of
the British, which, was very well

529
00:21:58,268 --> 00:22:00,668
done and they're good at that bit.

530
00:22:00,860 --> 00:22:05,561
but again, I think someone should explain
to Trump what the point of that Army was.

531
00:22:05,771 --> 00:22:09,281
The continental Army, full
of people like the French.

532
00:22:10,751 --> 00:22:13,721
again, none of these details
are, very useful to for him.

533
00:22:13,949 --> 00:22:15,139
but it was about.

534
00:22:15,149 --> 00:22:15,869
Freedom

535
00:22:15,964 --> 00:22:19,024
Helen: they should have made poor Marco
Rubio, but like the Mar and Mac Lafayette

536
00:22:19,024 --> 00:22:21,934
and stuff like that, like a school
nativity play, they've all gotta dress up.

537
00:22:22,449 --> 00:22:22,959
But you are right.

538
00:22:22,959 --> 00:22:26,559
My colleague, Tom Nichols at The Atlantic,
who worked as a military instructor,

539
00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:29,979
naval instructor for 25 years, said
this is about habituating Americans to

540
00:22:29,979 --> 00:22:33,069
the idea of seeing tanks in the streets
about seeing the Army on the streets.

541
00:22:33,249 --> 00:22:35,379
It's all about politicizing the Army.

542
00:22:35,709 --> 00:22:40,059
So not long beforehand, he had given,
Trump had given a speech at Fort Bragg

543
00:22:40,749 --> 00:22:44,199
and had mocked Joe Biden saying he
could never get a crowd like this.

544
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:46,149
They were selling MAGA merch.

545
00:22:46,299 --> 00:22:50,019
They'd specially selected the soldiers
to be enthusiastic about Trump

546
00:22:50,595 --> 00:22:52,875
Andy: So this is an audience
con consisting entirely of

547
00:22:53,059 --> 00:22:53,099
Helen: American

548
00:22:53,259 --> 00:22:53,299
soldiers

549
00:22:53,304 --> 00:22:55,574
of serving soldiers in
uniform, which is, it is.

550
00:22:55,724 --> 00:22:58,124
it is forbidden for American
soldiers in uniform to do

551
00:22:58,124 --> 00:22:59,444
anything that is political, right?

552
00:22:59,444 --> 00:23:01,364
It's just like one of those hard lines.

553
00:23:01,604 --> 00:23:03,884
But they said they asked for
volunteers to come to this and they

554
00:23:03,884 --> 00:23:05,864
were selling MAGA stuff on the base.

555
00:23:06,494 --> 00:23:09,794
And so it is just blurring of the,
this is what Trump wanted to do.

556
00:23:09,794 --> 00:23:13,694
He wanted to send in the Army too, if you
remember, crushed the George Floyd protest

557
00:23:13,694 --> 00:23:16,064
in 2020 and, he wanted to have an Army.

558
00:23:16,064 --> 00:23:19,514
Basically teargas people outta the
square in DC so that he could go

559
00:23:19,874 --> 00:23:20,984
and, look at some of the stuff.

560
00:23:21,314 --> 00:23:23,354
And the people around
him at that time said no.

561
00:23:23,384 --> 00:23:26,534
'cause there was still some
normie generals and he's just

562
00:23:26,654 --> 00:23:28,094
obviously cleared them out.

563
00:23:28,424 --> 00:23:31,309
But the thing I was gonna say that's
that kind of coded to this is Fort Bragg.

564
00:23:32,234 --> 00:23:34,424
Could you imagine who
Fort Bragg is named after

565
00:23:34,624 --> 00:23:35,014
Adam: Melvin?

566
00:23:35,186 --> 00:23:35,535
Andy: Billy.

567
00:23:37,205 --> 00:23:38,029
Adam: Billy's Even better.

568
00:23:38,169 --> 00:23:38,389
Yes.

569
00:23:41,014 --> 00:23:44,314
Helen: So Fort Bragg historically was
named after Braxton Bragg, who was a

570
00:23:44,314 --> 00:23:48,064
Confederate general, and then the Pentagon
under Biden, who went through this process

571
00:23:48,064 --> 00:23:51,484
where he said, maybe we should, given
that they lost in the Civil War, maybe

572
00:23:51,484 --> 00:23:52,939
we should rename all of these bases.

573
00:23:52,939 --> 00:23:56,014
So it was renamed Fort Liberty in 2022.

574
00:23:56,524 --> 00:23:58,234
Anyway, the Trump administration is now.

575
00:23:58,924 --> 00:24:01,804
Gone back to renaming all of these
bases like Fort Lee, which was

576
00:24:01,804 --> 00:24:05,044
originally named after Robert E. Lee,
but it now pretends that it hasn't

577
00:24:05,044 --> 00:24:07,324
named them after Confederate Generals.

578
00:24:07,624 --> 00:24:11,412
This is now allegedly named after
private first class Roland Bragg,

579
00:24:11,622 --> 00:24:14,838
who got a Purple Heart for the
Battle of the Bulge, the Robert E.

580
00:24:14,838 --> 00:24:15,668
Lee one is now.

581
00:24:15,708 --> 00:24:18,588
Allegedly named after Private
Fitley, a Black soldier who fought

582
00:24:18,588 --> 00:24:19,758
in the Spanish American War.

583
00:24:20,118 --> 00:24:23,598
So the Trump administration under Peter
Hegseth as Secretary of Defense has

584
00:24:23,598 --> 00:24:28,188
restored all the Confederate names,
but in that typical bloody irritating

585
00:24:28,188 --> 00:24:31,218
little internet trollway that they had
been like, "it's not actually named

586
00:24:31,218 --> 00:24:33,888
after Robert E. Lee, it's another
Robert E. Lee who goes to another

587
00:24:33,888 --> 00:24:35,148
school. You can't have a go at us."

588
00:24:35,607 --> 00:24:36,537
Ian: That's utterly pathetic

589
00:24:36,762 --> 00:24:37,062
Adam: It does.

590
00:24:37,167 --> 00:24:38,187
It is a bit windrush

591
00:24:38,187 --> 00:24:38,547
line,

592
00:24:38,692 --> 00:24:39,802
Helen: it's a bit like you can Yeah.

593
00:24:39,802 --> 00:24:42,772
But also that you you can't,
I'm not touching, can't get mad.

594
00:24:42,952 --> 00:24:45,982
it's got that sort of sense of winding you
up deliberately, but then you can't Oh,

595
00:24:45,982 --> 00:24:48,682
but it's not actually, you can't actually
have a go us for renaming everything

596
00:24:48,682 --> 00:24:52,102
after Confederate Soldiers because of
the Confederacy support for slavery

597
00:24:52,122 --> 00:24:52,212
Ian: and

598
00:24:52,212 --> 00:24:54,852
other, is there a fault,
Jim Crow, that we could have

599
00:24:54,862 --> 00:24:55,522
Helen: named after exactly

600
00:24:55,522 --> 00:24:57,982
James Crow a Wonderful Rail Women, Yeah.

601
00:24:58,102 --> 00:25:01,072
it's, but it's all like that
basically they brought back in

602
00:25:01,072 --> 00:25:02,212
the same way that they've renamed.

603
00:25:02,487 --> 00:25:06,267
Mount McKinley, the Gulf of America,
they brought back all of these,

604
00:25:06,267 --> 00:25:07,317
names and that's where he was.

605
00:25:07,317 --> 00:25:08,577
He was speaking at Fort Bragg.

606
00:25:08,725 --> 00:25:13,081
Ian: and when he takes the salute
and actually gives a salute, are you

607
00:25:13,081 --> 00:25:17,530
allowed to do that as a civilian who's
had not only no combat experience, but

608
00:25:17,740 --> 00:25:22,072
five separate, successful attempts to
avoid doing military service yourself?

609
00:25:22,192 --> 00:25:24,142
Helen: I think I was thinking about
when you were talking about Princess

610
00:25:24,142 --> 00:25:27,172
Anne on parade, it must absolutely
kill him that he can't ride a horse.

611
00:25:27,382 --> 00:25:29,662
maybe he can, but certainly
not to the quality required to

612
00:25:29,662 --> 00:25:30,982
ride when the military prayed.

613
00:25:31,342 --> 00:25:35,332
And I think one of the reasons they got so
annoyed with, Admiral Rachel Levi, who's

614
00:25:35,362 --> 00:25:40,462
the highest serving transgender official,
was that she was a decorated Navy veteran.

615
00:25:40,772 --> 00:25:44,492
Who was therefore allowed to wear a Navy
uniform, which were the female version of.

616
00:25:44,979 --> 00:25:49,449
but I think it must absolutely annoy
Trump incredibly well that someone is

617
00:25:49,449 --> 00:25:52,239
allowed, someone else is allowed to wear a
uniform who they think is a sort of woke.

618
00:25:52,239 --> 00:25:55,749
DI hire, I bet he'd love a
uniform, wouldn't he love a,

619
00:25:55,749 --> 00:25:57,189
like the gold braid on the cap's?

620
00:25:57,764 --> 00:25:59,594
Adam: which is not something our
royal family have a problem with.

621
00:25:59,594 --> 00:26:01,679
They're quite big on the
uniforms and the metals, aren't

622
00:26:01,679 --> 00:26:01,759
they

623
00:26:01,979 --> 00:26:02,279
Ian: yep.

624
00:26:02,309 --> 00:26:02,969
Oh yes.

625
00:26:03,580 --> 00:26:05,860
Andy: I did think when
they were playing the song,

626
00:26:05,860 --> 00:26:09,820
Fortunate Sun, just about
the most famous anti-war.

627
00:26:10,165 --> 00:26:12,715
Anti-nepotism, anti-capitalism
song of all time.

628
00:26:13,015 --> 00:26:14,905
I wonder if this takes
Donald back to his days.

629
00:26:14,905 --> 00:26:16,105
Not in Vietnam,

630
00:26:16,959 --> 00:26:17,079
Helen: but

631
00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:19,839
apparently that's in the, that's
in the Forrest Gump soundtrack.

632
00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:20,709
So that's the theory.

633
00:26:20,739 --> 00:26:23,229
He used to play a lot at, rallies.

634
00:26:23,229 --> 00:26:26,139
So the theory is that he quite likes
the film, Forrest Gump as a great

635
00:26:26,139 --> 00:26:27,459
film of the nineties, in fairness.

636
00:26:27,459 --> 00:26:27,549
Sure.

637
00:26:27,729 --> 00:26:30,849
And has simply never ever asked
what the lyrics are about.

638
00:26:31,541 --> 00:26:34,965
Adam: it's also Bruce Springsteen points
out that born in the USA is not a song

639
00:26:34,965 --> 00:26:38,355
about how great the USA is and how
well it looks after the working class.

640
00:26:38,925 --> 00:26:42,735
Ian: these are all veterans protest
songs and there are a lot of

641
00:26:42,735 --> 00:26:46,767
rather good accounts of, , veteran
protest groups turning up, and then

642
00:26:46,767 --> 00:26:52,421
being arrested by, policemen half
their age and then having to say.

643
00:26:52,761 --> 00:26:56,931
We actually fought in the military,
we are allowed to do this protest.

644
00:26:56,991 --> 00:27:01,281
And No Kings is, it's a very
specific historical constitutional

645
00:27:01,281 --> 00:27:03,381
point, which these protests are

646
00:27:03,381 --> 00:27:03,771
called.

647
00:27:03,776 --> 00:27:05,831
Andy: we haven't really mentioned yet,
the third event that was happening.

648
00:27:06,191 --> 00:27:08,591
in America you have the, you have
on one coast, you have the parade.

649
00:27:08,591 --> 00:27:10,991
On the other coast you have
the Marines being sent in and

650
00:27:10,991 --> 00:27:11,951
then all over the country.

651
00:27:11,951 --> 00:27:14,471
There's no Kings Day of protest,
which I think attracted somewhere

652
00:27:14,471 --> 00:27:16,001
between four and 6 million

653
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,585
Helen: I think it's a really
good slogan 'cause I think is

654
00:27:18,585 --> 00:27:20,175
exactly how Trump sees himself.

655
00:27:20,175 --> 00:27:23,835
Yes, he's been elected, but I think he
now sees him, he sees the executive branch

656
00:27:23,835 --> 00:27:25,995
as the source of, he's Louis the 14th.

657
00:27:26,175 --> 00:27:28,935
he's, he is the state as far as he sees

658
00:27:28,971 --> 00:27:29,085
Adam: it.

659
00:27:29,295 --> 00:27:32,445
he has actually put out as well as
pictures, ai, pictures of him as the Pope.

660
00:27:32,445 --> 00:27:35,235
He did put one of him out with
a crown on, didn't he as well,

661
00:27:35,831 --> 00:27:36,111
Andy: Twat.

662
00:27:37,061 --> 00:27:37,351
Okay.

663
00:27:38,322 --> 00:27:40,555
Helen: just one for our
fans of yeah, French history

664
00:27:40,555 --> 00:27:40,735
there.

665
00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:40,870
Very good

666
00:27:40,915 --> 00:27:41,545
Ian: good indeed.

667
00:27:42,946 --> 00:27:44,392
Andy: that feels like a
lot of people to draw out?

668
00:27:44,392 --> 00:27:47,212
I know that's, what is it a couple
of percent of the overall population?

669
00:27:47,311 --> 00:27:47,456
Helen: If,

670
00:27:47,546 --> 00:27:51,596
it's really seriously big protests and
actually largely, as Ian was saying,

671
00:27:51,596 --> 00:27:55,616
non, non-violent, in contrast to the
riots that have been happening in LA

672
00:27:55,616 --> 00:27:58,826
where there has been, they were setting
Waymo's, the self-driving cars on fire,

673
00:27:59,066 --> 00:28:02,516
which was the pretext for then Trump
sending in the Nadi National Guard.

674
00:28:02,816 --> 00:28:05,126
Now he didn't ask California governor.

675
00:28:05,151 --> 00:28:08,841
Gavin Newsom before doing that,
which is a violation, of how

676
00:28:08,841 --> 00:28:09,561
things are supposed to be done.

677
00:28:09,561 --> 00:28:11,811
And that then went to a judge
and then that went to appeal.

678
00:28:11,811 --> 00:28:13,551
It will probably end up
in the Supreme Court as.

679
00:28:14,006 --> 00:28:16,316
I think that's the one thing
you, if you wanna say anything

680
00:28:16,316 --> 00:28:17,096
about American politics.

681
00:28:17,096 --> 00:28:19,286
Now, a bit like you saying things
are very different in the South.

682
00:28:19,466 --> 00:28:21,656
The thing you have to say in
American politics now is it'll

683
00:28:21,656 --> 00:28:25,136
probably end up in the Supreme Court,
because almost everything does.

684
00:28:25,226 --> 00:28:27,446
But the courts are really at this point.

685
00:28:27,446 --> 00:28:30,776
The only thing that are effectively
holding Trump back from what he

686
00:28:30,776 --> 00:28:33,686
would like to do, which is politicize
everything and turn the entire

687
00:28:33,686 --> 00:28:35,306
state into a personal extension of

688
00:28:35,306 --> 00:28:35,756
himself.

689
00:28:35,956 --> 00:28:39,563
Ian: Helen, you, wrote two columns,
and one was about how, the MAGA

690
00:28:39,563 --> 00:28:41,303
movement really hates California.

691
00:28:41,843 --> 00:28:43,094
that's, its main thing.

692
00:28:43,094 --> 00:28:45,974
And the other thing was about
how much they hate Gavin.

693
00:28:46,964 --> 00:28:49,964
and both of those things
came to a head this week.

694
00:28:49,964 --> 00:28:52,720
So I thought, ah, not only, I
thought maybe you know what you're

695
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,206
talking about, but is this something
he's just been waiting for?

696
00:28:57,590 --> 00:29:01,250
Helen: There is, in the mythology
of America, California is.

697
00:29:01,755 --> 00:29:05,115
is seen as the kind of place where
there's hippies and now that's matured.

698
00:29:05,115 --> 00:29:06,375
Now into woke him.

699
00:29:06,585 --> 00:29:08,625
There is a feeling, they hate the coasts.

700
00:29:09,015 --> 00:29:10,755
They hate snooty, do good.

701
00:29:10,755 --> 00:29:13,455
It's the same way that they hate sort
of Martha's Vineyard and like that,

702
00:29:13,455 --> 00:29:15,465
which is where Obama is retired to.

703
00:29:15,885 --> 00:29:18,615
But there is a feeling that there,
yeah, that's not Heartland America,

704
00:29:18,615 --> 00:29:20,055
that's snooty coastal Americans.

705
00:29:21,175 --> 00:29:24,055
and, funnily enough, it's now the other
set of mythology really, Trump is best

706
00:29:24,055 --> 00:29:25,945
understood as a Floridian politician.

707
00:29:26,050 --> 00:29:28,958
the archetype of America is
basically Florida versus California.

708
00:29:29,318 --> 00:29:31,118
And Gavin Newsom has
really used this moment.

709
00:29:31,118 --> 00:29:34,163
They, he, Tom Holman, who is the
borders Tsar threatened to arrest him.

710
00:29:34,163 --> 00:29:35,363
And he said, come and arrest me then.

711
00:29:35,738 --> 00:29:36,458
And he was clear.

712
00:29:36,638 --> 00:29:40,534
he's the consummate probably, he's
quite early agist, but, he really

713
00:29:40,534 --> 00:29:44,074
wanted to have this, fight and has
now, I think, leapt to the front of

714
00:29:44,074 --> 00:29:46,234
the pack in kind of 20, 28 terms.

715
00:29:46,715 --> 00:29:50,188
as being somebody who was willing to
be the face of opposition to Trump.

716
00:29:50,578 --> 00:29:53,278
And, he can do that because
he's got a huge amount of money.

717
00:29:53,278 --> 00:29:53,938
He's got a big.

718
00:29:54,168 --> 00:29:57,399
State, but I think there are
things in the same way that for

719
00:29:57,399 --> 00:29:58,599
Kamala Harris, were a problem.

720
00:29:58,779 --> 00:30:01,119
If you run in California, you
are only ever, your challenges

721
00:30:01,149 --> 00:30:02,349
only ever come from the left.

722
00:30:02,499 --> 00:30:04,929
So you normally end up saying a
lot of slightly bonkers things

723
00:30:04,929 --> 00:30:07,899
in primaries because, that's
where the real election is.

724
00:30:08,229 --> 00:30:10,539
And so that will be his,
problem going forward.

725
00:30:10,539 --> 00:30:13,479
But for the moment, it works quite
well because he's got this, he's,

726
00:30:13,509 --> 00:30:17,169
he can also, he's running one of
the biggest economies on earth.

727
00:30:17,259 --> 00:30:19,149
He's got an independent power base.

728
00:30:19,299 --> 00:30:21,579
And so as a face of opposition
to Trump, he's in a very good.

729
00:30:21,699 --> 00:30:22,719
Place to be that

730
00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:25,439
Ian: And, California has made a profit.

731
00:30:26,169 --> 00:30:26,409
Helen: Yeah.

732
00:30:26,634 --> 00:30:30,534
Ian: Unlike any Trump business,
we've, noticed, if you're,

733
00:30:30,534 --> 00:30:35,034
talking about successful business
experience, then presumably that

734
00:30:35,294 --> 00:30:36,194
Helen: something Trump doesn't have it.

735
00:30:36,374 --> 00:30:38,534
the, one of the things I did notice,
it comes back to another column

736
00:30:38,534 --> 00:30:41,774
that I wrote, was the fact that one
of the sponsors for the parade was

737
00:30:41,774 --> 00:30:43,844
Coinbase, which is the crypto exchange.

738
00:30:44,114 --> 00:30:44,384
You right.

739
00:30:44,804 --> 00:30:45,944
this is just cheap, isn't it?

740
00:30:45,944 --> 00:30:48,158
At least we do the cheaping of
the color brought you by O2.

741
00:30:48,158 --> 00:30:50,018
I think it's just cheapens.

742
00:30:50,018 --> 00:30:52,058
It doesn't it, but the Trump family.

743
00:30:52,328 --> 00:30:52,718
Yeah.

744
00:30:52,774 --> 00:30:52,864
Andy: Right.

745
00:30:53,344 --> 00:30:55,564
Will they, have to have these
banners when they invade somewhere?

746
00:30:55,564 --> 00:30:58,054
Will they have to have some
Coinbase representation?

747
00:30:58,908 --> 00:31:01,308
Helen: And the MyPillow guy
gets his own like regiment.

748
00:31:01,938 --> 00:31:03,528
But this is, this is what it is.

749
00:31:03,528 --> 00:31:07,248
It's like Trump is, has made so much
money and the whole Trump family has made

750
00:31:07,248 --> 00:31:09,318
so much money, particularly from crypto.

751
00:31:09,678 --> 00:31:12,913
And again, it's another example of
him just thinking he can license

752
00:31:13,128 --> 00:31:15,948
his image, which is, as you say,
and that's the only thing he's ever

753
00:31:15,948 --> 00:31:17,538
really done in business successfully.

754
00:31:17,838 --> 00:31:20,988
And now he's able to do it from
the, the podium of the presidency.

755
00:31:21,223 --> 00:31:24,468
Ian: So the lines between, the
president and the Army have blurred

756
00:31:24,528 --> 00:31:28,218
the lines between the president and the
treasury and public and private money.

757
00:31:28,218 --> 00:31:29,118
They're all blurred.

758
00:31:29,495 --> 00:31:30,578
is this deliberate

759
00:31:31,178 --> 00:31:32,888
Helen: I think there's people behind him.

760
00:31:33,278 --> 00:31:35,768
the, like the Heritage Foundation,
the think Tank put together this

761
00:31:35,768 --> 00:31:38,378
very influential document called
Project 2025, in which they laid

762
00:31:38,378 --> 00:31:41,708
out a blueprint essentially for
the term and all the things and the

763
00:31:41,708 --> 00:31:43,088
regulations they wanted to handle.

764
00:31:43,418 --> 00:31:47,318
I think the main way to see it
is just from Trump's perspective.

765
00:31:47,378 --> 00:31:51,488
He thinks he got elected, he's beloved
by the people, and therefore he

766
00:31:51,488 --> 00:31:54,338
should be allowed to do what he wants
because he's the people's instrument.

767
00:31:54,788 --> 00:31:55,298
I think it's.

768
00:31:56,063 --> 00:31:57,473
it's a shame he went to see Les Mis.

769
00:31:57,503 --> 00:31:59,753
'cause I think really he, in a way, he
would've been better off seeing a Vita.

770
00:32:00,023 --> 00:32:02,783
'cause I think he just has a
great, he just thinks they love me.

771
00:32:03,053 --> 00:32:04,643
one of the things he said to
the troops where it's great

772
00:32:04,643 --> 00:32:05,423
to see all these troops here.

773
00:32:05,723 --> 00:32:07,073
I love you and you love me.

774
00:32:07,163 --> 00:32:09,413
He's got this sort of belief
that he should be allowed to

775
00:32:09,413 --> 00:32:12,053
do what he wants 'cause he's in
tune with the soul of the people.

776
00:32:12,263 --> 00:32:15,743
Even though, half of them
did not vote for him.

777
00:32:15,953 --> 00:32:16,883
And as well as half of them

778
00:32:17,379 --> 00:32:21,219
Adam: I do get the feeling that two sides
are fighting on a different battlefield.

779
00:32:21,219 --> 00:32:23,424
To use an appropriate metaphor here,
'cause you've got one side, the No

780
00:32:23,424 --> 00:32:26,244
Kings thing is about a very specific
point in history and what, George III

781
00:32:26,604 --> 00:32:29,034
did, and then you've got Trump giving
his address to the troops, in which

782
00:32:29,034 --> 00:32:31,734
he said, our soldiers never give up,
never surrender, never ever quit.

783
00:32:31,734 --> 00:32:34,014
They fight, and they win, win.

784
00:32:34,374 --> 00:32:37,974
Literally, how many years is it since
that chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan?

785
00:32:38,034 --> 00:32:40,674
Yeah, even before you get onto
exactly how things ended in Vietnam

786
00:32:40,674 --> 00:32:43,669
or Korea, it's this broad brush view
of history, which is sort of history.

787
00:32:44,139 --> 00:32:46,659
How you want it to be and the
Army, how you want it to be.

788
00:32:47,139 --> 00:32:50,529
and it just sails over reality, doesn't

789
00:32:50,529 --> 00:32:50,709
it?

790
00:32:50,769 --> 00:32:54,099
Ian: Not to mention
Iraq, that where, are the

791
00:32:54,515 --> 00:32:54,695
Andy: We

792
00:32:55,175 --> 00:32:56,975
fight, and we have a
reasonably good record.

793
00:32:58,114 --> 00:32:58,334
Helen: mix,

794
00:32:58,464 --> 00:32:58,774
catch.

795
00:32:59,083 --> 00:32:59,439
Ian: Yeah.

796
00:32:59,619 --> 00:33:02,139
Or we fight, and then we withdraw in the

797
00:33:02,919 --> 00:33:03,189
Helen: Yeah,

798
00:33:03,189 --> 00:33:05,679
I was gonna say Vietnam,
Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan.

799
00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:07,779
It's not it's not great.

800
00:33:08,229 --> 00:33:08,799
you really want to

801
00:33:08,855 --> 00:33:09,849
Adam: you can see why
they're going back to.

802
00:33:14,465 --> 00:33:21,067
Andy: Right now the third section today
as promised a bit of summer fun a quiz.

803
00:33:21,329 --> 00:33:26,632
prompted by something that Liz Truss
ask your parents, did a week or two ago.

804
00:33:27,862 --> 00:33:28,042
she

805
00:33:28,596 --> 00:33:28,661
Helen: your

806
00:33:28,691 --> 00:33:29,471
Adam: your mortgage advisor.

807
00:33:31,109 --> 00:33:35,965
Andy: she was photographed, promoting
brand of whiskey, alongside a man who

808
00:33:36,235 --> 00:33:39,985
the, proprietor of the whiskey firm
who in 2023 was jailed for 10 months

809
00:33:39,985 --> 00:33:44,155
after repeatedly punching a 78-year-old
man in the face during a pub brawl.

810
00:33:44,815 --> 00:33:47,892
and she, she didn't see a
problem with, promoting it.

811
00:33:48,732 --> 00:33:50,082
this has prompted some.

812
00:33:50,632 --> 00:33:52,642
Some comment, although quite
a lot of people have just

813
00:33:52,642 --> 00:33:53,752
thought, let's not bother.

814
00:33:53,812 --> 00:33:54,982
It is Liz Truss, but

815
00:33:55,035 --> 00:33:55,760
Ian: can I just say, when

816
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,718
you say one was that bothered,
I'm afraid the people who

817
00:33:58,718 --> 00:34:00,248
write Private Life could find

818
00:34:00,278 --> 00:34:00,578
Helen: no

819
00:34:00,578 --> 00:34:00,788
other

820
00:34:00,788 --> 00:34:01,208
subject

821
00:34:03,128 --> 00:34:03,638
Ian: from him

822
00:34:03,638 --> 00:34:07,478
saying, you've had enough love to, Liz
trusts to pictures of her with the whiskey

823
00:34:07,478 --> 00:34:09,338
barrel people going, this is the bottom

824
00:34:09,338 --> 00:34:10,088
of the barrel.

825
00:34:11,408 --> 00:34:13,808
I'm afraid there were quite
a lot of people who cared.

826
00:34:14,153 --> 00:34:16,313
Adam: It was the purely
truness of it, wasn't it?

827
00:34:16,343 --> 00:34:20,483
'cause it meant an minister flogging
some dodgy whiskey brand already.

828
00:34:20,483 --> 00:34:21,653
That would be quite a story.

829
00:34:21,653 --> 00:34:24,413
But 'cause it's Liz Trust, it has
to be a guy who's been convicted of

830
00:34:24,413 --> 00:34:25,073
GBH,

831
00:34:25,189 --> 00:34:26,119
Andy: It has to get worse.

832
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:26,629
It has to get

833
00:34:26,648 --> 00:34:26,668
Helen: worse.

834
00:34:26,668 --> 00:34:26,908
worse

835
00:34:26,908 --> 00:34:27,068
and

836
00:34:27,068 --> 00:34:29,403
she especially, she didn't even
get any money for it either.

837
00:34:29,403 --> 00:34:31,713
So she did this humiliation for free.

838
00:34:31,751 --> 00:34:35,244
Ian: do you think she thinks GB
H is a special type of patriotic

839
00:34:36,576 --> 00:34:37,536
Andy: great British harm?

840
00:34:37,536 --> 00:34:37,806
Yes.

841
00:34:41,196 --> 00:34:42,216
I, no, you're absolutely right.

842
00:34:42,636 --> 00:34:45,456
She wasn't, receiving the big bucks for
this, but she's, done a few other things

843
00:34:45,456 --> 00:34:49,056
since her time in office, and I thought
it would be a fun jumping off point, for

844
00:34:49,056 --> 00:34:53,046
a quiz about what other things, members
of parliament or ex members of parliament

845
00:34:53,046 --> 00:34:55,056
have done or are currently doing.

846
00:34:55,056 --> 00:34:55,356
In many

847
00:34:55,637 --> 00:34:55,855
Adam: cases,

848
00:34:55,870 --> 00:34:56,090
you

849
00:34:56,090 --> 00:34:58,450
don't have to justify Andy,
when you just say, quiz, we go,

850
00:34:58,465 --> 00:34:58,675
Helen: Yay.

851
00:34:58,770 --> 00:34:58,990
Yay.

852
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:59,650
Adam: Do a quiz.

853
00:34:59,750 --> 00:35:00,210
Do a quiz.

854
00:35:01,081 --> 00:35:01,371
Andy: Okay.

855
00:35:01,801 --> 00:35:02,958
here's question one then.

856
00:35:03,018 --> 00:35:05,208
It's about the trusts incident itself.

857
00:35:05,358 --> 00:35:11,671
Now that was, huge brand opportunity,
But what was the whiskey and what was her

858
00:35:11,671 --> 00:35:13,741
excuse after she was challenged about it?

859
00:35:14,041 --> 00:35:14,161
Helen: I

860
00:35:14,161 --> 00:35:16,831
have no idea what the whiskey's
called, but her spokesman's response

861
00:35:16,831 --> 00:35:19,771
was, after saying that he'd come out
with it, he got an assault conviction

862
00:35:19,771 --> 00:35:23,191
was, I thought you believed in the
rehabilitation of offenders, which

863
00:35:23,191 --> 00:35:25,681
is what I'm gonna say whenever I
get caught doing anything dodgy.

864
00:35:25,681 --> 00:35:26,161
Have you know

865
00:35:26,161 --> 00:35:27,121
Christian Mercy?

866
00:35:27,777 --> 00:35:28,497
Andy: Exactly.

867
00:35:28,767 --> 00:35:29,967
There's a point you for that.

868
00:35:29,967 --> 00:35:31,017
A any take on the

869
00:35:31,017 --> 00:35:31,347
whiskey

870
00:35:31,347 --> 00:35:31,587
seat.

871
00:35:32,952 --> 00:35:33,987
It hasn't even worked.

872
00:35:34,257 --> 00:35:35,997
This, brand campaign of hers is all I'm

873
00:35:35,997 --> 00:35:36,477
saying.

874
00:35:36,526 --> 00:35:37,756
Adam: wasn't called Mr. Jameson

875
00:35:38,023 --> 00:35:39,673
Ian: is it called Cease and Desist?

876
00:35:41,424 --> 00:35:42,264
Andy: He should be selling punch.

877
00:35:42,264 --> 00:35:42,594
Really?

878
00:35:42,894 --> 00:35:43,164
sorry.

879
00:35:43,164 --> 00:35:44,394
That's a very, cheap joke.

880
00:35:44,694 --> 00:35:46,164
It's, you're so close.

881
00:35:46,164 --> 00:35:49,528
When you say, Jameson's, because
it's not James but Joyce.

882
00:35:49,798 --> 00:35:51,178
It's called Joyce's Irish Whiskey.

883
00:35:51,808 --> 00:35:53,578
And we'd like to make it
clear we don't endorse it.

884
00:35:53,638 --> 00:35:53,938
Great.

885
00:35:54,287 --> 00:35:55,637
Adam: But it wasn't James
Joyce that was selling

886
00:35:55,637 --> 00:35:55,727
Helen: it.

887
00:35:55,727 --> 00:35:55,877
No.

888
00:35:56,492 --> 00:35:56,772
Adam: Okay.

889
00:35:57,662 --> 00:35:59,867
Helen: When he's been dead
for quite an achievement, but

890
00:35:59,867 --> 00:36:00,137
yes,

891
00:36:00,192 --> 00:36:00,532
Ian: Was it?

892
00:36:00,552 --> 00:36:00,772
Adam: it?

893
00:36:00,777 --> 00:36:01,427
Ian: wasn't Eric

894
00:36:01,427 --> 00:36:02,327
Joyce's, was it?

895
00:36:02,417 --> 00:36:02,627
That would

896
00:36:03,202 --> 00:36:03,362
Adam: That

897
00:36:03,362 --> 00:36:05,969
Andy: now I'm gonna, I'm gonna
stay on whiskey for a moment.

898
00:36:06,224 --> 00:36:09,194
which parliamentary figure
has been selling their own

899
00:36:09,194 --> 00:36:11,204
whiskey for the last five years.

900
00:36:11,516 --> 00:36:12,206
Helen: Parliamentary

901
00:36:12,460 --> 00:36:12,922
Andy: Parliamentary

902
00:36:12,922 --> 00:36:13,342
figure.

903
00:36:13,342 --> 00:36:13,344
Parliamentary figure.

904
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:13,372
Are

905
00:36:13,420 --> 00:36:14,770
Ian: you saying not an mp?

906
00:36:14,830 --> 00:36:15,100
It's the

907
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:15,550
speaker.

908
00:36:15,550 --> 00:36:15,760
There's a

909
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,180
Adam: trick there,

910
00:36:16,180 --> 00:36:16,480
isn't it?

911
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:16,600
Yeah,

912
00:36:16,686 --> 00:36:16,986
Andy: Ian,

913
00:36:16,986 --> 00:36:17,106
you've

914
00:36:17,106 --> 00:36:17,211
got it.

915
00:36:18,171 --> 00:36:19,131
It's Lindsay Hoyle.

916
00:36:19,521 --> 00:36:23,211
Every speaker of the House of
Commons makes their own whiskey,

917
00:36:23,421 --> 00:36:23,661
which

918
00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:25,865
Adam: I don't think they
actually make their own, do they?

919
00:36:26,065 --> 00:36:27,310
I think they put their name to,

920
00:36:27,730 --> 00:36:28,270
they probably

921
00:36:28,270 --> 00:36:28,660
taste

922
00:36:28,660 --> 00:36:28,720
a

923
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:28,960
few.

924
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,680
Whiskies

925
00:36:29,871 --> 00:36:30,021
Andy: is

926
00:36:30,021 --> 00:36:30,201
a

927
00:36:30,340 --> 00:36:30,730
Adam: massive.

928
00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:31,210
Still

929
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,910
Ian: What is he literally saying?

930
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:35,020
Order orders.

931
00:36:36,132 --> 00:36:37,272
Helen: What a great little boon dogger.

932
00:36:37,272 --> 00:36:39,642
So you get your speakership and then
they send you off to some charming

933
00:36:39,642 --> 00:36:40,992
Scottish island where you taste a

934
00:36:40,992 --> 00:36:41,502
number

935
00:36:41,502 --> 00:36:41,592
of

936
00:36:41,592 --> 00:36:42,162
whiskeys.

937
00:36:42,267 --> 00:36:43,437
Adam: It is a huge thing.

938
00:36:43,437 --> 00:36:46,107
If you ever go along to any
sort of MP's Christmas raffle or

939
00:36:46,107 --> 00:36:46,377
anything,

940
00:36:46,377 --> 00:36:49,557
there will always be a bottle of
the speaker's whiskey signed by Mr.

941
00:36:49,557 --> 00:36:51,027
Hoyle and, party leaders as

942
00:36:51,203 --> 00:36:51,503
Andy: Exactly.

943
00:36:51,503 --> 00:36:55,043
It's This apparently is a tradition
which dates back to the nineties,

944
00:36:55,043 --> 00:36:55,283
so

945
00:36:55,283 --> 00:36:55,403
I'm

946
00:36:55,452 --> 00:36:55,532
Adam: not,

947
00:36:55,684 --> 00:36:55,872
Ian: gonna be

948
00:36:56,183 --> 00:36:56,573
Andy: it's

949
00:36:57,798 --> 00:36:57,923
the

950
00:36:59,078 --> 00:37:00,533
The 1990s, I'm afraid.

951
00:37:01,118 --> 00:37:03,488
last one on parliamentary whiskey.

952
00:37:05,202 --> 00:37:05,352
Adam: Who

953
00:37:05,577 --> 00:37:05,697
Ian: who knew

954
00:37:05,697 --> 00:37:05,787
you

955
00:37:05,787 --> 00:37:05,907
could

956
00:37:06,042 --> 00:37:06,947
Adam: three questions outta

957
00:37:07,118 --> 00:37:07,178
Andy: it

958
00:37:07,238 --> 00:37:08,588
on hard to find.

959
00:37:08,588 --> 00:37:15,518
whiskey.com, great website, who is the
only former mainstream party leader,

960
00:37:16,238 --> 00:37:20,588
for whom a bottle of signed whiskey
can be yours for under 400 quid.

961
00:37:21,098 --> 00:37:21,878
There's only one.

962
00:37:21,998 --> 00:37:22,538
Everyone.

963
00:37:22,538 --> 00:37:25,328
Everyone else's is 399 99.

964
00:37:25,388 --> 00:37:26,438
This one is a hundred quid less.

965
00:37:26,546 --> 00:37:27,516
Adam: Said Heath.

966
00:37:27,941 --> 00:37:28,301
Helen: trees

967
00:37:28,301 --> 00:37:28,811
may

968
00:37:29,152 --> 00:37:30,082
Andy: Right party.

969
00:37:31,747 --> 00:37:32,737
No, he doesn't have one.

970
00:37:32,737 --> 00:37:33,157
Actually.

971
00:37:33,157 --> 00:37:33,427
He's,

972
00:37:33,877 --> 00:37:33,997
I know

973
00:37:34,106 --> 00:37:34,376
Ian: drink

974
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:35,706
Helen: Boris Johnson.

975
00:37:36,307 --> 00:37:36,787
Andy: No.

976
00:37:37,027 --> 00:37:37,147
Okay.

977
00:37:37,237 --> 00:37:37,297
I

978
00:37:37,297 --> 00:37:37,477
think

979
00:37:37,477 --> 00:37:37,597
we're

980
00:37:37,601 --> 00:37:37,781
Helen: out.

981
00:37:37,931 --> 00:37:38,711
David Cameron.

982
00:37:39,007 --> 00:37:39,397
Andy: Michael.

983
00:37:39,397 --> 00:37:43,207
Howard he's, you can get a
bottle of Michael Howard signed

984
00:37:43,207 --> 00:37:44,767
whiskey for 300 quid bargain.

985
00:37:45,607 --> 00:37:45,667
have

986
00:37:45,956 --> 00:37:46,826
Adam: as something of the night.

987
00:37:47,831 --> 00:37:48,041
Helen: Oh,

988
00:37:48,041 --> 00:37:48,491
very

989
00:37:48,491 --> 00:37:48,611
good.

990
00:37:50,561 --> 00:37:52,241
Should have done this before
Father's Day, shouldn't we?

991
00:37:53,317 --> 00:37:54,127
Andy: Everyone else's.

992
00:37:54,787 --> 00:37:57,247
I'm, talking David Cameron,
John Major William Hague.

993
00:37:57,397 --> 00:37:59,527
Patty Ashdown, a joint one by Ed Mall.

994
00:37:59,527 --> 00:38:00,697
Ed Balls and Ed Miller Band.

995
00:38:01,222 --> 00:38:01,792
400 quid.

996
00:38:02,032 --> 00:38:02,362
There you go.

997
00:38:02,711 --> 00:38:05,741
Adam: That's considerably less
than the private eye whiskey,

998
00:38:05,891 --> 00:38:09,101
which does exist was created for
our 30th anniversary, wasn't it?

999
00:38:09,101 --> 00:38:10,430
There's a special bottle of Macallan,

1000
00:38:10,564 --> 00:38:12,418
which is worth an
enormous amount of money.

1001
00:38:12,418 --> 00:38:14,638
Now, you're looking, you, drank

1002
00:38:14,638 --> 00:38:15,118
yours, didn't

1003
00:38:15,118 --> 00:38:15,268
you?

1004
00:38:15,268 --> 00:38:18,478
When you got presented with it,
there are people working downstairs

1005
00:38:18,478 --> 00:38:19,858
who have retained their bottle

1006
00:38:19,908 --> 00:38:21,528
Ian: is it illustrated by McLaughlin?

1007
00:38:21,528 --> 00:38:22,038
Is there a.

1008
00:38:22,713 --> 00:38:23,793
Adam: think it's a Gerald scarf

1009
00:38:23,933 --> 00:38:24,384
Ian: It's a Gerald scarf.

1010
00:38:25,308 --> 00:38:25,878
Helen: Oh, that's classy.

1011
00:38:26,934 --> 00:38:28,394
Andy: So if you're listening
to this and you've got one of

1012
00:38:28,394 --> 00:38:29,634
those bottles, do not open it,

1013
00:38:29,868 --> 00:38:30,078
Ian: is what

1014
00:38:30,078 --> 00:38:30,378
you're saying.

1015
00:38:30,588 --> 00:38:30,738
Just

1016
00:38:30,738 --> 00:38:30,948
send

1017
00:38:31,053 --> 00:38:33,363
Adam: it to us and we
will dispose of it safely.

1018
00:38:35,969 --> 00:38:36,989
Andy: we're off the whiskey ones now.

1019
00:38:36,989 --> 00:38:37,259
You'll be

1020
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:38,069
relieved

1021
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:38,609
to hear.

1022
00:38:38,822 --> 00:38:40,712
next up, Nigel Farage of Reform uk.

1023
00:38:40,791 --> 00:38:45,261
in, I believe January this year,
he made a video for We Save.

1024
00:38:45,636 --> 00:38:49,566
Telling people that, they could save
money by buying nappies in bulk.

1025
00:38:50,076 --> 00:38:54,485
Now, he wasn't actually paid for
that, that video or for any of the

1026
00:38:54,815 --> 00:38:58,135
commercial involvement with We Safe,
. But how many hours a week does Mr.

1027
00:38:58,135 --> 00:39:03,260
Farra spend on his other jobs and which
one pays best proportionally per hour.

1028
00:39:03,691 --> 00:39:06,391
Helen: I reckon his investment
newsletter pays quite well.

1029
00:39:06,931 --> 00:39:10,261
His GB news gig paid pretty well.

1030
00:39:10,266 --> 00:39:12,571
Adam: He does loads and
loads of those cameo videos.

1031
00:39:12,931 --> 00:39:13,891
Yeah, he gets a lot for those.

1032
00:39:13,951 --> 00:39:15,601
He gets money off Twitter
as well, doesn't he?

1033
00:39:15,601 --> 00:39:15,811
A lot

1034
00:39:15,811 --> 00:39:15,931
of

1035
00:39:15,931 --> 00:39:16,096
the

1036
00:39:16,321 --> 00:39:17,431
Helen: About seven grand a month.

1037
00:39:17,611 --> 00:39:18,031
Yeah.

1038
00:39:18,091 --> 00:39:18,361
Adam: Twitter.

1039
00:39:18,567 --> 00:39:19,127
Andy: gonna need some answers.

1040
00:39:20,071 --> 00:39:22,651
Helen: I'm gonna say he spends
25 hours a week on other stuff.

1041
00:39:22,847 --> 00:39:23,137
Andy: Okay.

1042
00:39:24,673 --> 00:39:25,243
Ian: 40

1043
00:39:26,724 --> 00:39:27,069
Andy: full time job.

1044
00:39:28,314 --> 00:39:31,081
Helen's closest she gets
another point is 22 hours.

1045
00:39:31,851 --> 00:39:37,054
.And, I'll tell you the best paid job he
has outside his parliamentary work, in

1046
00:39:37,054 --> 00:39:41,944
fact, including that, is selling gold as
a tax free investment for direct bullion.

1047
00:39:42,544 --> 00:39:47,284
and that earns him roughly 32,000
pounds a month for four hours of work.

1048
00:39:47,314 --> 00:39:48,844
So to close, that's 8,000 pounds an hour.

1049
00:39:49,808 --> 00:39:51,998
Ian: Gold is the best
investment, isn't it?

1050
00:39:53,050 --> 00:39:53,440
Andy: okay.

1051
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,690
Now here, each of you will, once you've.

1052
00:39:56,245 --> 00:39:56,725
Answered.

1053
00:39:56,785 --> 00:39:57,985
You don't get to guess again.

1054
00:39:58,045 --> 00:40:00,085
So be careful and it's a long question.

1055
00:40:00,483 --> 00:40:05,433
Which right wing politician took part
in I'm a celebrity, get Me Out of

1056
00:40:05,433 --> 00:40:14,163
Here, was voted out very quickly in
2008 and their appearance provoked

1057
00:40:14,373 --> 00:40:16,713
irritation from fellow parliamentarians.

1058
00:40:17,378 --> 00:40:21,488
plus it led to clashes in
the camp with Joe Swash.

1059
00:40:22,268 --> 00:40:23,168
Timmy Mallet.

1060
00:40:24,518 --> 00:40:27,668
This was a former leader of pp.

1061
00:40:28,305 --> 00:40:31,545
Ian: it was, The orange bloke.

1062
00:40:33,855 --> 00:40:34,185
with the

1063
00:40:34,345 --> 00:40:34,995
Helen: Kroy silk.

1064
00:40:35,135 --> 00:40:35,555
Robert

1065
00:40:36,750 --> 00:40:37,110
Do you know what?

1066
00:40:37,110 --> 00:40:38,880
I'm so glad you gave us the
thing that we had to wait.

1067
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,620
'cause I was, going It's gonna be Nadine.

1068
00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:41,190
It's gonna be Nadine.

1069
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:41,490
And then I was

1070
00:40:41,490 --> 00:40:43,440
like, maybe it's, then it's Matt Hancock.

1071
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:43,890
Maybe it's Matt

1072
00:40:43,890 --> 00:40:44,370
Hancock.

1073
00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:44,460
Ke

1074
00:40:44,915 --> 00:40:45,990
Adam: I was thinking KE or Dugdale.

1075
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:47,220
No one remembers KE or Dugdale.

1076
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:47,580
I'll get this

1077
00:40:48,026 --> 00:40:48,566
Andy: none of you

1078
00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:48,630
Helen: you

1079
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:49,920
took in.

1080
00:40:49,950 --> 00:40:51,690
No, that's, we waited
for Robert KA second.

1081
00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:52,680
It was worthwhile.

1082
00:40:52,830 --> 00:40:53,190
Absolutely.

1083
00:40:53,276 --> 00:40:53,546
Andy: Yes.

1084
00:40:53,851 --> 00:40:53,881
he

1085
00:40:54,060 --> 00:40:54,690
Helen: in ghosts.

1086
00:40:55,110 --> 00:40:55,770
Just putting it out there.

1087
00:40:56,551 --> 00:41:00,181
Andy: He was an MEP at the time and
one of his fellow meps said, we are

1088
00:41:00,181 --> 00:41:03,571
in serious times and people expect
their politicians to do a job of work.

1089
00:41:03,571 --> 00:41:05,221
And you can't do that
if you're in the jungle.

1090
00:41:05,371 --> 00:41:09,181
Covered in cockroaches, eating kangaroos
testicles, and swimming with crocodiles

1091
00:41:09,389 --> 00:41:10,799
Adam: That was a hell of
a challenge doing all of

1092
00:41:10,799 --> 00:41:10,979
those

1093
00:41:10,979 --> 00:41:11,099
Helen: at

1094
00:41:11,099 --> 00:41:11,459
once,

1095
00:41:11,459 --> 00:41:11,579
wasn't

1096
00:41:11,669 --> 00:41:11,789
Adam: it?

1097
00:41:11,789 --> 00:41:12,389
They're not normally,

1098
00:41:13,614 --> 00:41:14,909
Helen: Nigel Frost did very well.

1099
00:41:14,909 --> 00:41:15,359
Actually.

1100
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:17,639
I thought he, there's a bit when
they did Camp Karaoke and he sang,

1101
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:20,429
I'm Too Sexy By Right Said Fred,
which I believe to be his party

1102
00:41:20,429 --> 00:41:22,049
piece that he's also done on GB News.

1103
00:41:22,049 --> 00:41:22,179
Far

1104
00:41:22,274 --> 00:41:22,574
Ian: right.

1105
00:41:22,574 --> 00:41:23,234
Said Fred to

1106
00:41:23,344 --> 00:41:23,564
Helen: Hey.

1107
00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:24,040
Andy: Yay.

1108
00:41:27,183 --> 00:41:27,453
KIRO.

1109
00:41:27,453 --> 00:41:29,853
So incidentally was voted off
first and then claimed the

1110
00:41:29,853 --> 00:41:31,533
show had been badly edited.

1111
00:41:33,303 --> 00:41:36,003
and I'm afraid to say, tragically,
this even spilled over into the

1112
00:41:36,003 --> 00:41:40,563
Wags camp, where Jan Kilroy Silk had
some harsh words for Linda Mallet.

1113
00:41:43,077 --> 00:41:43,857
Ian: Wow.

1114
00:41:43,893 --> 00:41:44,103
Andy: We

1115
00:41:44,103 --> 00:41:44,673
go again.

1116
00:41:45,178 --> 00:41:46,108
slightly more recently.

1117
00:41:46,378 --> 00:41:52,345
David TC Davies, former Welsh secretary,
has not got a job yet, or he hadn't as of

1118
00:41:52,345 --> 00:41:54,355
a few months ago after leaving Parliament.

1119
00:41:55,345 --> 00:41:58,435
What did he blame for the
fact he hadn't got a job yet?

1120
00:41:59,161 --> 00:41:59,281
Helen: Was

1121
00:41:59,281 --> 00:42:00,781
it anti Tory bias?

1122
00:42:00,854 --> 00:42:02,442
Andy: It's not anti Tory bias.

1123
00:42:02,442 --> 00:42:04,122
That has been a, that's a complaint.

1124
00:42:04,122 --> 00:42:06,612
Jonathan GLIs has said that he
can't get work, for example, as a

1125
00:42:06,612 --> 00:42:07,002
teacher,

1126
00:42:08,146 --> 00:42:09,376
Adam: was it anti Welsh bias?

1127
00:42:09,732 --> 00:42:10,662
Andy: It wasn't anti Welsh

1128
00:42:10,662 --> 00:42:11,382
bias.

1129
00:42:11,387 --> 00:42:11,397
Was

1130
00:42:11,431 --> 00:42:13,021
Ian: anti politician bias?

1131
00:42:13,021 --> 00:42:13,931
They hate all of us.

1132
00:42:14,367 --> 00:42:14,937
Andy: It's actually

1133
00:42:15,286 --> 00:42:15,556
Helen: people kept

1134
00:42:15,586 --> 00:42:16,246
Adam: he keep turn

1135
00:42:16,276 --> 00:42:16,816
Helen: the other

1136
00:42:16,816 --> 00:42:17,251
David?

1137
00:42:17,266 --> 00:42:17,716
Adam: kept turning.

1138
00:42:17,716 --> 00:42:17,776
go,

1139
00:42:19,150 --> 00:42:19,697
Andy: David Davis?

1140
00:42:20,491 --> 00:42:20,571
Adam: What

1141
00:42:20,997 --> 00:42:23,742
Andy: No, what this is,
it's actually anti-human

1142
00:42:23,742 --> 00:42:24,702
bias.

1143
00:42:24,912 --> 00:42:26,982
So he doesn't have a degree.

1144
00:42:27,552 --> 00:42:29,232
Just that's not how
his career started out.

1145
00:42:29,412 --> 00:42:34,752
He thinks that automatic CV reading
software has ruled him outta the running

1146
00:42:34,757 --> 00:42:38,592
because you just plug a sea visa into
a computer, it just tells you, You

1147
00:42:38,592 --> 00:42:40,062
can rule out these people immediately.

1148
00:42:40,312 --> 00:42:42,172
These are the remaining
candidates you, might

1149
00:42:42,172 --> 00:42:42,502
wanna hire.

1150
00:42:42,686 --> 00:42:43,616
I just like this a lot.

1151
00:42:43,856 --> 00:42:46,616
He, did get an application form for
one of the jobs he was applying for,

1152
00:42:47,343 --> 00:42:51,123
and he says this, he says it asked
him, name of last line manager.

1153
00:42:51,318 --> 00:42:55,008
I answered Richie Soak job title
of last night, line manager.

1154
00:42:55,068 --> 00:42:59,508
I put Prime Minister of the United
Kingdom telephone number of line manager.

1155
00:43:00,288 --> 00:43:02,748
He said, I have Richie's number, but
I wasn't gonna put it in the box.

1156
00:43:02,958 --> 00:43:03,048
And

1157
00:43:03,048 --> 00:43:03,978
he got rejected from that.

1158
00:43:05,075 --> 00:43:06,485
You're all doing very well, by the way.

1159
00:43:06,657 --> 00:43:09,867
which former Prime Minister's TV
appearance was what was voted one

1160
00:43:09,867 --> 00:43:13,077
of the most awkward moments of
television ever by channel four.

1161
00:43:13,268 --> 00:43:14,768
Adam: So this is after
they were Prime Minister?

1162
00:43:15,596 --> 00:43:17,726
Andy: it's a presenting
gig that a former PM

1163
00:43:17,745 --> 00:43:17,925
Adam: took.

1164
00:43:18,225 --> 00:43:19,845
Oh, I know this one.

1165
00:43:19,845 --> 00:43:20,625
Of course, I know this one.

1166
00:43:20,625 --> 00:43:22,005
It's Har Wilson presenting.

1167
00:43:22,485 --> 00:43:23,565
Saturday night and Sunday morning,

1168
00:43:23,565 --> 00:43:23,895
isn't it?

1169
00:43:24,566 --> 00:43:25,556
Andy: night and Saturday

1170
00:43:25,635 --> 00:43:25,965
Adam: Sorry.

1171
00:43:26,355 --> 00:43:26,865
I'm, yeah,

1172
00:43:26,936 --> 00:43:27,236
Andy: Adam.

1173
00:43:27,626 --> 00:43:27,956
I, did

1174
00:43:27,956 --> 00:43:28,766
throw in coupled with

1175
00:43:28,766 --> 00:43:29,216
the clash

1176
00:43:29,216 --> 00:43:29,366
there.

1177
00:43:30,086 --> 00:43:31,946
I throw in a 1970s one just for

1178
00:43:32,010 --> 00:43:32,670
Helen: yeah, I know,

1179
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:32,910
Adam: let's

1180
00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:35,760
Helen: That's just, that's
blatant favoritism time.

1181
00:43:36,441 --> 00:43:38,091
Andy: He apparently just couldn't do it.

1182
00:43:38,091 --> 00:43:40,791
He just couldn't host a,
it was too un informal.

1183
00:43:40,791 --> 00:43:41,721
Too unscripted.

1184
00:43:41,721 --> 00:43:42,891
And he couldn't,

1185
00:43:42,891 --> 00:43:43,251
roll with it.

1186
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,130
Adam: stages of Alzheimer's,
to be fair to the poor man.

1187
00:43:45,204 --> 00:43:49,432
Ian: I always remember it's always
bracketed with, Peter Cook who ran a

1188
00:43:49,432 --> 00:43:53,272
chat show and then gave it up and he
was asked, why did you give it up?

1189
00:43:53,272 --> 00:43:55,882
And he said, I just wasn't very
interested in other people,

1190
00:43:57,982 --> 00:43:59,362
which is a more honest

1191
00:43:59,787 --> 00:44:00,137
reply.

1192
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,950
Andy: which former conservative
minister has in the last year

1193
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:08,390
or so, earned nearly their MP's
salary again for just two speeches.

1194
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:10,010
It's not an obvious one.

1195
00:44:10,451 --> 00:44:11,186
Ian: two speeches.

1196
00:44:11,347 --> 00:44:11,677
Andy: Yeah.

1197
00:44:11,751 --> 00:44:12,571
Helen: Not big gove,

1198
00:44:13,507 --> 00:44:14,677
Andy: not gover.

1199
00:44:15,071 --> 00:44:16,301
Ian: Is it quasi Quaye?

1200
00:44:16,537 --> 00:44:18,337
Andy: It's not quasi Quaye, Adam.

1201
00:44:18,746 --> 00:44:19,911
Adam: I can't even
remember any other reason

1202
00:44:20,721 --> 00:44:21,261
to ministers

1203
00:44:21,437 --> 00:44:23,372
Andy: Sue b Suela Braman.

1204
00:44:23,582 --> 00:44:25,682
This is an interesting thing from
the register of members' interest,

1205
00:44:25,682 --> 00:44:28,682
and I found it after Labouriously
plowing through all extra employment,

1206
00:44:28,682 --> 00:44:30,002
so you've gotta hear it now too.

1207
00:44:30,002 --> 00:44:30,392
I'm afraid.

1208
00:44:31,142 --> 00:44:35,402
She has just been paid 29,000
pounds by chosen Media, a South

1209
00:44:35,402 --> 00:44:39,422
Korean media organization, and
last year it was 35,000 pounds,

1210
00:44:39,422 --> 00:44:42,692
including flights and accommodation,
full speaking at one conference.

1211
00:44:42,936 --> 00:44:44,766
Helen: Do you think they put
the decimal place in the wrong

1212
00:44:44,972 --> 00:44:45,032
Andy: all?

1213
00:44:45,032 --> 00:44:45,182
Paris?

1214
00:44:45,216 --> 00:44:47,226
Helen: they were just too
embarrassed to go back and I'm so

1215
00:44:47,226 --> 00:44:47,616
sorry.

1216
00:44:47,732 --> 00:44:48,662
Andy: It'll be a currency thing.

1217
00:44:48,722 --> 00:44:50,312
Anyway, I just thought
that was quite interesting

1218
00:44:50,312 --> 00:44:54,932
that she's a huge darling of the,
south Korean media and politics

1219
00:44:54,932 --> 00:44:55,472
circuit.

1220
00:44:55,477 --> 00:44:55,567
Practic

1221
00:44:55,731 --> 00:44:56,291
Helen: a K popper.

1222
00:44:57,011 --> 00:44:57,671
Andy: Final one.

1223
00:44:58,478 --> 00:44:59,348
this one is really hard.

1224
00:45:00,092 --> 00:45:03,842
Which MP would you want with you
if you had been on a ship which

1225
00:45:03,842 --> 00:45:07,862
sank near a desert island and
you'd been injured in the process?

1226
00:45:08,102 --> 00:45:09,062
Who is that mp?

1227
00:45:09,282 --> 00:45:12,912
Helen: So you want someone who's a
doctor but maybe had been a doctor at sea

1228
00:45:13,542 --> 00:45:13,632
Adam: can

1229
00:45:13,632 --> 00:45:14,562
swim really well,

1230
00:45:14,706 --> 00:45:16,026
Ian: Is this ever or current?

1231
00:45:16,026 --> 00:45:16,176
Current.

1232
00:45:16,686 --> 00:45:18,186
So I can't say John Prescott.

1233
00:45:18,186 --> 00:45:21,606
'cause he'd serve you a gen
tonic and you'd feel better.

1234
00:45:22,488 --> 00:45:24,198
Who was the woman who was on Splash?

1235
00:45:24,603 --> 00:45:24,933
Helen: Penny

1236
00:45:24,963 --> 00:45:25,848
Adam: Oh, penny Morden.

1237
00:45:27,088 --> 00:45:27,328
She'd be

1238
00:45:27,328 --> 00:45:27,411
good at falling off

1239
00:45:28,023 --> 00:45:28,353
the boat

1240
00:45:28,383 --> 00:45:29,013
in the first place.

1241
00:45:29,013 --> 00:45:29,343
I know

1242
00:45:29,343 --> 00:45:29,853
the skills

1243
00:45:29,853 --> 00:45:29,913
are

1244
00:45:30,238 --> 00:45:30,438
Helen: Transfer.

1245
00:45:30,783 --> 00:45:30,993
Adam: that.

1246
00:45:31,124 --> 00:45:32,084
Andy: she's a strong swimmer though.

1247
00:45:32,084 --> 00:45:33,104
She could tow you to shore.

1248
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:33,333
Helen: sho.

1249
00:45:33,513 --> 00:45:33,718
Yeah,

1250
00:45:34,259 --> 00:45:35,669
Andy: I think that's a really good

1251
00:45:35,698 --> 00:45:36,513
Helen: she was like a naval

1252
00:45:36,813 --> 00:45:39,048
Adam: and she would fight, for survival

1253
00:45:39,048 --> 00:45:39,498
afterwards,

1254
00:45:39,539 --> 00:45:42,209
Andy: I think that's a, I think
that's a point to Ian because it's not

1255
00:45:42,209 --> 00:45:44,669
the answer I've got, but I think it
technically qualifies as a good one.

1256
00:45:45,318 --> 00:45:46,728
Adam: oh, let's give a point to the boss.

1257
00:45:46,728 --> 00:45:47,148
Andy.

1258
00:45:47,148 --> 00:45:47,268
Yes.

1259
00:45:48,403 --> 00:45:49,003
Helen: he gave you a

1260
00:45:49,203 --> 00:45:49,563
question about the

1261
00:45:49,568 --> 00:45:50,608
1970s.

1262
00:45:50,638 --> 00:45:50,768
Okay.

1263
00:45:50,958 --> 00:45:51,138
Adam: fair

1264
00:45:51,179 --> 00:45:52,799
Andy: You've all been
pandered to disgracefully.

1265
00:45:52,799 --> 00:45:53,549
Don't abuse it.

1266
00:45:54,209 --> 00:45:55,289
Andrew Morrison.

1267
00:45:55,709 --> 00:45:56,609
South Wilshire

1268
00:45:57,989 --> 00:46:02,219
is a surgeon commander, which is the
coolest job I've found in the entire

1269
00:46:02,219 --> 00:46:02,879
register of members.

1270
00:46:02,879 --> 00:46:06,932
Interest surgeon, but also in
Naval Reserve and has done tools

1271
00:46:06,932 --> 00:46:07,952
of duty and things like that.

1272
00:46:08,972 --> 00:46:10,382
I just think that's an
interesting, you got

1273
00:46:10,382 --> 00:46:10,412
a

1274
00:46:10,742 --> 00:46:14,012
lot of people who've got rather drab
consultancy jobs and I think Surgeon

1275
00:46:14,012 --> 00:46:15,602
Commander is quite a good one.

1276
00:46:15,874 --> 00:46:18,561
Adam: Does that mean he can get called up
and he'd have to take time off Parliament?

1277
00:46:18,561 --> 00:46:19,251
'cause he'd have to go and.

1278
00:46:20,342 --> 00:46:21,092
Andy: theoretically,

1279
00:46:21,402 --> 00:46:24,072
Helen: James Cleverly is in a similar
situation, was reservist for a long

1280
00:46:24,072 --> 00:46:24,432
time.

1281
00:46:24,458 --> 00:46:24,488
Andy: Oh

1282
00:46:24,488 --> 00:46:24,998
really?

1283
00:46:25,448 --> 00:46:28,058
Steve Baker, of course,
constantly ready for the SAS.

1284
00:46:28,268 --> 00:46:28,808
Should they

1285
00:46:28,872 --> 00:46:29,772
Helen: catamaran sailing.

1286
00:46:31,102 --> 00:46:33,362
Ian: Do you think, Trump will
end up listening to this podcast

1287
00:46:33,462 --> 00:46:35,322
and thinking Surgeon Commander?

1288
00:46:35,528 --> 00:46:35,588
Andy: Yeah.

1289
00:46:36,237 --> 00:46:36,922
Ian: Yeah, I could do that.

1290
00:46:37,164 --> 00:46:37,598
Andy: That's it.

1291
00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:37,838
Yeah.

1292
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:40,110
congratulations.

1293
00:46:40,110 --> 00:46:40,350
Alan,

1294
00:46:40,624 --> 00:46:43,684
Helen: I love a quiz when I
win, but I, don't, when I don't.

1295
00:46:43,684 --> 00:46:44,854
It's funny how that works out.

1296
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:46,200
Andy: How are you gonna
spend the winnings?

1297
00:46:46,939 --> 00:46:48,949
Helen: I'll buy a cameo from Nija Farage,

1298
00:46:49,024 --> 00:46:49,314
Ian: congratulating

1299
00:46:49,699 --> 00:46:51,169
Helen: private ion all its great work.

1300
00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:54,660
Andy: Can you buy a cameo from
Nigel Raj asking him to provide

1301
00:46:54,660 --> 00:46:56,340
some properly costed policies?

1302
00:46:57,229 --> 00:46:57,319
Helen: Yes.

1303
00:46:57,319 --> 00:46:59,449
That's how we'll get some property
cost of policies from reform.

1304
00:46:59,449 --> 00:47:01,459
I'll pay for them in 75 quid increments.

1305
00:47:02,123 --> 00:47:03,443
Andy: thank you very
much for playing at home.

1306
00:47:03,443 --> 00:47:05,887
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1307
00:47:05,917 --> 00:47:09,097
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1308
00:47:09,097 --> 00:47:11,047
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1309
00:47:11,047 --> 00:47:12,817
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1310
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1312
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1313
00:47:21,606 --> 00:47:24,936
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1314
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