Tall Girl: welcome back to sense, sensibility, and chaos? The podcast that believes the grass is always greener on the other side of the forest.

Busy: I am busy, my heart says, Go to the woods.

Busy: but all the mosquito bites say, avoid it at all costs.

Well Read: I'm well read. I once researched how to live off grid, and ended up crying because I can't even fix my printer.

Tall Girl: And I'm tall girl. I love nature from a safe distance, like through a cabin window with central air. Today we're exploring. Why, everybody's obsessed with leaving the city, whether moving to the woods, is actually as dreamy as it looks online.

Well Read: Hi guys.

Busy: Hello, lady!

Tall Girl: I do so. Everybody has a cabin in their head.

Well Read: Oh, it's a tiny cabin with a composting toilet and solar panels.

Well Read: And yeah, it.

Busy: Haven't thought about it.

Tall Girl: Yeah, I have a compound that's like, basically, it's the state of Maine. Like, if I'm gonna dream, I'm gonna dream, really big.

Tall Girl: I think I texted you guys, or maybe I meant to the other night, but like no disrespect to the people of Prince Edward Island. But can we just take over Prince Edward Island.

Tall Girl: and, like, just have a girl compound for rational, sane people who just want to make raspberry jam and cordial, and

Tall Girl: things.

Well Read: Dreamy.

Tall Girl: There's cows, there's seafood, there's berries, there's potatoes. It's it's basically all we need to survive in one contained island 0 disrespect to the people of Pei. But

Tall Girl: can we have your island? We have a flag.

Busy: How Eddie Izzard of us? No.

Well Read: Flag.

Busy: I think that

Busy: The the remoteness sings to us. It's like a siren song. It's like, Come, avoid everyone. People suck.

Well Read: I think, for certain types of people, especially the idea of being on your own and free tends to

Well Read: be a a fantasy, that is. It's an escape fantasy.

Well Read: yeah, it's it's it's 100 to to not have to have any responsibilities to anyone else.

Busy: Well, I think that's not fair, because just because you go live out in the woods

Busy: or so, it doesn't mean you don't have responsibility to others. It just means that maybe you're out of the rat race of hustle and bustle. That's what I think.

Tall Girl: Cause, you know

Tall Girl: I don't want to be the guy in the forest who doesn't shower for the next 40 years, and only comes into town once a year for whiskey and tobacco.

Well Read: Yeah, that's fair.

Tall Girl: I I

Tall Girl: I just you get to choose your neighbors. Your neighbors are a decent distance away from you, and they may just stop by with freshly turned butter, so like

Tall Girl: the raspberries are ready for picking, like, you know, and the entire town rejoices and takes the day off to go raspberry picking. These are my fantasies.

Busy: Are. Are we living in some like Mgm, like.

Tall Girl: Shut up. Yes, 7 brides for 7 brothers. In real time.

Well Read: Don't forget the sorrel.

Busy: That's right.

Tall Girl: Come on. You want to go to a barn building. You want to see some axe throw in like, you know, it's almost worth being snowed in through the gap for the winter.

Busy: But I mean, I don't. I'm okay with like

Busy: being off. But then I I don't want to just restrict it to just woods

Busy: like. I don't necessarily want to be on like a beat secluded, but.

Tall Girl: Prince Edward Island has forest and beach, and lake.

Busy: Or, you know, like we were talking earlier about a meme. I saw where it was

Busy: walled like enclosed medieval, like villages in Italy.

Busy: and you have multiple houses that I would take that, too, because then we could have a group of us just have our own. Each everyone has their own house.

Busy: We could have like one house for like storage and

Busy: all that stuff, and then people can't come in if we don't want them to.

Well Read: The wall around the town really helps.

Tall Girl: So like

Tall Girl: Hoa! But there's no board. There's literally just a 15 foot wall that says, no, we don't want your pink flamingos here.

Busy: And they're towers.

Busy: If it could have a moat, I'd also be happy.

Tall Girl: Worry about the moat. What if it smells in the summer like? Isn't that? How half the if you dump your raw sewage in the moat your summer moat.

Tall Girl: It's an unpleasant vote.

Well Read: That. That's okay you mentioned. It's it's tends to be standing water. So mosquitoes.

Busy: Oh! But.

Tall Girl: Then, again, if this is just our fantasy, your moat is crystal clear and like the sword in the stone kind of thing like it's just.

Well Read: Yeah, we have enough. We have enough fish in the ponds or in the moat, so that it they eat the bugs.

Busy: Can it be like salmon and tuna? So we don't have to go far to like.

Tall Girl: Like our moat, is also our sushi farm. So.

Well Read: Well, we'd have to have a salinated moat, and I'm not sure how that would work out. So.

Tall Girl: In fantasy world. Why are we limiting? You're like, Oh, I want a solar panel and some wood chips in my toilet. I'm like, I want a self-salinating pond, slash moat.

Tall Girl: an island where nobody's bend it. I take over.

Well Read: My logic brain tends to kick in.

Busy: Well, maybe the moat feeds into our mill

Busy: like the water and keeps it moving. So that is where the water flow always goes, and we.

Tall Girl: You're on.

Busy: Okay.

Tall Girl: We draw energy. For the salination desalination process. So your solar panels also feed the energy for our salination. Desalination.

Tall Girl: sashimi, farm slash grain mill.

Busy: I mean.

Tall Girl: Often suffer from delusions. Yes, when I speak about my hypothetical.

Busy: Don't suffer, I enjoy every moment of it. Thank you.

Well Read: Absolutely. I do not suffer from insanity. It is a blast.

Tall Girl: Look, people buy a $2 lottery ticket, and they're like, Oh, my speedboat! And I'm like, Oh, my cabin in the woods where I can still get seamless delivery.

Well Read: Right?

Busy: Right.

Busy: Is there a water supply? I'd like fresh water supply, please.

Busy: I don't know about.

Tall Girl: you would Drink unfiltered water.

Busy: Well, I would want to have an access to it if we can't get.

Tall Girl: Moving water. Not like you're gonna raw milk and start drinking stream water of questionable. Okay? I was like, Wow.

Busy: Oh, wow!

Tall Girl: You're you're off, grid and mine don't look the same.

Busy: After.

Tall Girl: With lifestraw.

Busy: No, I mean, I think, with the when you're talking about still getting seamless, or, you know, delivery service we need to have at the end of the driveway. You have a little

Busy: robot, and they open it up, and they kind of put it in a little container, and then there's a pathway, and then we just move it up to the driveway. So then it comes to us, and so they don't go crazy up the driveway and like, approach our peace. But we can.

Busy: You didn't think of that, did you?

Tall Girl: No, I was stuck the other day waiting for an elevator, and I was talking to this guy, and they're like, Oh, the rise of AI and bots. I'm like, no, I want a robot. I want one to like. Gently cradle me and carry me up the stairs like I'm a child when I'm old, like I don't fear the robots.

Tall Girl: I can't wait for the one that comes to take care of me, because it's like, Oh, weak human.

Tall Girl: Let me diaper and powder your butt for you.

Busy: Yeah. So we we get that. So then this way that we could still get any deliveries. And it goes on a little track up kind of like a train a little, you know.

Busy: Cargo train up the driveway or underground. However, we build it.

Busy: maybe underground, so that we don't award award. Oh, goodness! Worry about

Busy: winter! If we have a lot of snow or anything.

Busy: and it just goes underground, goes to us. No bugs.

Tall Girl: I did see some one of those prepper kind of whatever they built it. There's like a driveway ramp that goes under the house. And you, basically, you're an underground parking lot which is right below the kitchen.

Tall Girl: So there's a ramp that either takes the food off to long story, long term storage facility, or there's like a elevator shaft up to the kitchen. So, like your bulk groceries get.

Well Read: Oh, I definitely want a dumb waiter.

Tall Girl: And I was like Oh.

Well Read: If I have more than one floor. A dumb waiter is the way to go.

Tall Girl: Like you watch some of these, and it's just like shipping containers in the ground. And I'm like one earthquake. And this is gonna cave in. I saw these guys with the underground driveway, and I was like.

Busy: I think.

Tall Girl: Be a prepper. I could be a prepper.

Busy: Someone I know, had built the house, and the kitchen was on the second floor. So the driveway came up to the ground floor. But then they had a second driveway that came around the back, up a hill, around to the kitchen level so that your car can go straight there, and you.

Well Read: Genius.

Busy: Right into the kitchen.

Tall Girl: Oh, that was kind of like the mold cabin we rented.

Tall Girl: Kevin rented.

Busy: Oh, yeah.

Tall Girl: With the heated pool that almost burnt us to death.

Busy: With, yeah.

Well Read: Yeah, and that was the better parking spot by far.

Busy: Yeah, you have it kind of go up. So that's right there. But also for this, you know.

Busy: So

Busy: what is it that you think if you, you know, had this money, and you can go away to the woods and

Busy: disconnect.

Busy: and it's not even money, because we sold places we have now, and just up the move. What is it that draws you to that fantasy? And what stops you from making a reality.

Tall Girl: You two. Because in all my fantasies you guys come with. So whatever motto I have won, it's not me alone in the woods. It's me kidnapping you 2. And after the.

Busy: 1st 3 years of.

Well Read: It's not.

Tall Girl: Happens.

Tall Girl: No, it's not kidnapping, it's voluntary.

Busy: If that's yeah, if we go willingly.

Tall Girl: Guys get in the van. I have coffee crisps. Don't ask any questions.

Well Read: There will be signs. I'm just saying.

Busy: Oh, yeah, no, there is definitely gonna be signs.

Well Read: Oh, it's getting.

Tall Girl: Losers. We're gone.

Tall Girl: We would be gone today like close enough to town, like, I don't mind people, and I do like imported cheese, but

Tall Girl: like the self, sustaining aspect, the like, you know

Tall Girl: not to be trad wife, but like to cook your own meals, to make your own food, to garden your own stuff to kind of. Just be self sufficient in a way that when you choose to interact with society, you can, but otherwise, like

Tall Girl: you have the time to get up and make your own bread, because you don't have to rush to be places kind of stuff like

Tall Girl: you eat seasonally, because that's what's in your garden versus like, you know, mangoes

Tall Girl: avocados, 365 days a year. Kind of thing.

Busy: Now, here's the thing, though, in these scenarios are we working, or have we hit Lotto, or some unknown relative that we

Busy: have? Send this much like, what is this scenario? Are you just saying like in my scenario? I always think that it would have to be like? I work remotely somewhere as well.

Tall Girl: Oh, no, we're independently wealthy, but you can choose

Tall Girl: like. I wouldn't give up my charity work.

Well Read: If you're gonna have the fantasy, you might as well do it right right.

Busy: No, that's fine. I just didn't know. That's how we were rolling in this fantasy. Alright! Cool.

Tall Girl: Okay.

Tall Girl: If I hit Powerball, just get in the van. Don't ask questions.

Busy: Listen. I got.

Tall Girl: If somebody just lovingly decides to give us their Vermont farm, and, you know, like tax free.

Tall Girl: Yes, we would work remotely, so we would need some kind of a Internet setup.

Busy: That's fair.

Tall Girl: But you know, to start the day with fresh eggs.

Tall Girl: It wouldn't be the worst thing.

Tall Girl: To like maintain. This is like work. So either we have a farm hand that we have to pay for, and or we have to do it ourselves, because

Tall Girl: the cows need to milk it twice a day.

Tall Girl: Oh, there's like an intense amount of work, so like we would either need a farm hand or we would have.

Tall Girl: That's just my whole little fantasy right there. What the hell's the

Tall Girl: farmhand, John, or whatever the hell his name is?

Tall Girl: kind of like the Martha Stewart version of it like you have it, but there's an entire team of people taking care of it for you, so you can just step in and occasionally pick the last apricot and be like I've made apricot jam like

Tall Girl: having the time to do this kind of stuff like I love cheese making. I love bread, making it takes time. You have to have like 4 to 5 h in a day to do any of these tasks which is

Tall Girl: not conducive to a job.

Well Read: Yeah, that's that's really what it is for me. I think the reason I keep romanticizing this type of thing is that

Well Read: I fantasize about having the time to do all these things.

Well Read: to make the cheese, and to pick the fruit, and to

Well Read: can the jam, you know, like it.

Well Read: The 40 h work week is not conducive to that. But the fantasy is that and the

Well Read: not trad wife, but have the time to

Well Read: really take care of yourself, including

Well Read: everything that's going in your body.

Tall Girl: I think that's what it is. It's really just a fantasy of self care. We just kind of like, put it in a foresty setting, because you just.

Tall Girl: If there was a greenhouse on top of a New York City apartment, I think we would be just as happy. But you know.

Well Read: Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

Tall Girl: They do have this

Tall Girl: this futuristic kind of skyscraper kind of thing. They convert skyscrapers into these vertical gardens.

Well Read: I can live on the 15th floor of a vertical skyscraper, garden, like, I don't with central park, in the background, I would survive

Well Read: absolutely.

Tall Girl: Plus Bagel delivery, I mean.

Busy: There's.

Tall Girl: 15 min. Bagel. Delivery does not.

Busy: They go.

Tall Girl: A good Bagel, a New York Bagel, because.

Busy: I'm gonna one up, you and say, New Jersey. Bagel, sorry.

Tall Girl: I would take either, I would take a tri-state bagel over.

Tall Girl: I would take a tri-state Bagel. Even Connecticut has a couple

Tall Girl: It's just what you're used to, I think part of it.

Tall Girl: But also we could, you know, because if we have unlimited funds, we could have our own Bagel making machine on the side kitchen, right next to the cheese kitchen, right next to the larder, right next to the buttery.

Well Read: And import the water if we had to.

Tall Girl: Well, I mean, if we have Evian coming through the tap, would I be critically upset.

Well Read: It wouldn't be the same flavor.

Busy: No, we. We just need to get a retired

Busy: bread maker from the Tri-state area. Who can make our bagels and like breads. And just.

Busy: you know.

Tall Girl: Not that I want to be a cult leader, but very often do I feel like I would end up leading a cult.

Tall Girl: because, like, you know, take retired people, kind of like that restaurant in Staten Island with the retired grandmothers, who, like have a night or 2 where they cook and those are the meals they serve.

Well Read: Mmm.

Tall Girl: like a retired baker, a retired butcher. Get somebody to apprentice them, don't make them work full time, but like they contribute to the community, plus people in the community commit to becoming the apprentice of, and you enjoy the benefits.

Tall Girl: My 2 favorite, like pork stores, butcher shops

Tall Girl: had to close, because nobody wants to like apprentice as a butcher, because nobody wants to be freezing hacking meat.

Tall Girl: for you know, 8 to 12 h A day

Tall Girl: before the art is gone. Can we save it?

Busy: In our woods, in our cabin, in the woods.

Tall Girl: Also admit, like you would love to sit by the fire and spin yarn like

Tall Girl: a. This conversation 4 and 4 HA night while spinning yarn, reading books and like

Tall Girl: Oh, no! We have to sort through the berries to make like the perfect, you know, like whatever.

Busy: I'll tell you right now. I'm not on wool and yarn and knitting like that. That skill did not come to me.

Tall Girl: But with enough practice, and 12 h in a day.

Busy: Sure. But I

Busy: you're gonna find me more in the kitchen and doing that sort of stuff. So I'll and I'll do cleaning and all, but

Busy: I did not inherit that skill to want to knit and sew.

Busy: It will be a.

Tall Girl: Why we have others like work towards your skill set in the community like a nice little section in the back, for, like the retired veterans who don't want to deal with people, but will happily go forage whatever you tell them to forage for.

Tall Girl: like Hi, we need 2 deer

Tall Girl: cool. We'll drop them off at your doorstep. We don't want to see you.

Busy: That makes sense. Okay.

Tall Girl: Like. I mean, there are people who are just like

Tall Girl: we hate people, we isolate. But we will gladly do this, that or the other, or like somebody who just wants to be the repair person for the compound kind of thing.

Busy: Okay.

Tall Girl: Like, divided into neighborhoods of like early people. Late people

Tall Girl: don't don't screw with me people, and, like absolute isolationists who are like, just drop the bread at my doorstep and leave

Tall Girl: in return. I will whittle all the spoons for the kitchen all year long.

Tall Girl: If I could, if we could add in this fantasy a kiln I will do glasswork.

Busy: No, I don't like pottery, that's you.

Tall Girl: Oh, I'll make all the plates. I'll make all the plates and the cups and the pitchers. I'll make everybody gets a personalized glug

Tall Girl: because hydration matters in our compound hydration matters as a cult leader, I'm going to make sure we're all I mean as a compound

Tall Girl: super an elected, duly elected compound supervisor.

Busy: Democracy.

Tall Girl: Is the focus of our, I hesitate to say, compound living experience.

Busy: There we go!

Well Read: Commune.

Tall Girl: I feel like Commune gets tainted like we just need to again. But the more we reword it, the closer it gets to cults. And then it's like, but we really like your cult idea. But I'm like, I'm trying really hard in life not to become a cult leader.

Tall Girl: really hard.

Busy: Private neighborhood.

Tall Girl: Independent community.

Busy: Oh, that I can get behind, an IC.

Well Read: So we have these fantasies right and.

Busy: And delusions.

Well Read: Delusions. Yes, we have spent no time thinking these through at all.

Busy: Maybe not.

Well Read: How do you guys Bar, actually winning the lottery? How do you scratch the itch without actually having to

Well Read: move out somewhere.

Tall Girl: I make butter.

Well Read: There's that. Yep, making homemade butter.

Busy: We've done. Red and I have done the

Busy: tiny houses in in like the woods. Kind of thing like there is a property

Busy: in New York that we went to. And it's tiny homes, and you get depending what size you're looking for different house sizes and everyone you're in the woods, and there's like you could see a house. But you're not like on top of hearing everybody, necessarily, and this place had goats and sheep, and then they had chicken.

Well Read: And a river.

Busy: And a river. Yep, and they had a dog park for those people who had dogs to walk, and you were able to pick up 6 eggs each day from their chickens.

Busy: and they had activities, and like on Friday nights, there's like a food truck.

Busy: But like you were still like off the road that had like no, no lights, and

Busy: within 15 min you can get to a main road

Busy: with stores. So that was a nice like.

Busy: Make the S'mores enjoy just not thinking your service was somewhat decent, actually, but.

Busy: Just.

Well Read: I worked from out there.

Busy: Oh, yeah, that's right. You did.

Well Read: Yeah, you have great Internet. You have great cell service.

Well Read: You're within 15 min of the main drag of the town. And it's still

Well Read: it's like you've run away to the woods for a few days.

Busy: It's a silence.

Tall Girl: I will set my GPS to not take highways and only take local roads. So you end up.

Well Read: Bye, bye.

Tall Girl: All these like farm stands, and whatever else, and you're just like Oh, trees and nature like

Tall Girl: Occasionally all the neighbors use the Wi-fi, and it gets really slow. So I like to pretend that's like what we're all wi-fi looks like. So it's like, Oh.

Busy: They jump on your Wi-fi.

Tall Girl: In the neighborhood during the beginning of Covid, when everybody was home, like everybody, was on all day. So like the Internet, was just not up for that, so it took us like the 1st year to get like everybody once again had high speed. At noon.

Busy: Yeah.

Busy: I I like the idea of being slightly elevated. I don't necessarily have to be all the way up into the mountains, because then that could have its own problems, but elevated enough so that

Busy: should bad weather come, you're not in flood zone avalanche area like.

Tall Girl: So pretty much every time we vacation together. We pick somewhere in the forest, usually in like an 18th century house.

Tall Girl: may or may not have a butter churn in the kitchen.

Busy: We do have an mo like, let's not even actually wait.

Busy: Yeah.

Well Read: We do, we have a type.

Well Read: It's okay.

Tall Girl: We have a vacation, I mean, we upgraded to the idea of like a hot tub or a pool, or there was one Airbnb upstate New York. It had a pizza oven.

Tall Girl: Like. It was a day of making your own personal pizzas in the pizza oven which

Tall Girl: dream come true, but also, like.

Well Read: That was.

Tall Girl: That was the other people.

Busy: Got it?

Busy: Yeah.

Tall Girl: I I vacation with other people. I'm sorry I apologize.

Busy: That's fine! That's fine!

Tall Girl: You guys do stuff without me, too. So.

Busy: That's fine. That's fine. I just didn't expect to put honest the call, and and it hurts so much, and our our listeners have to hear me going through the pain. It's okay. We're fine. We're good.

Tall Girl: I'm sorry. What did you guys do last night without me?

Tall Girl: Oh, oh, are we gonna bring up just just friendship trauma. Now.

Tall Girl: okay, see in our future cabin. We will have to have the talking stick and the feeling circle, and that will be like a once a week

Tall Girl: community. The airing of the grievances.

Busy: Oh, we need a feelings room.

Tall Girl: I'm not saying cult, but I would just need you to check in and out of the compound. So I know where you are at all times.

Busy: Independent community.

Tall Girl: Community

Tall Girl: by the time we hit retirement age like the villages in Florida. Not that we would move to Florida, but like a lot of these retirement communities are going to be available.

Tall Girl: So like we could end up just creating our own communities in what used to be

Tall Girl: like the villages which will eventually become a ghost town, because no other generation has that many people.

Busy: Oh, definitely, not hot. We need. I need 4 seasons.

Tall Girl: Oh, no, definitely not Florida in general, but like there's got to be one in. I don't know Nantucket like that, like there's got to be a a main senior community.

Well Read: I don't need to be.

Tall Girl: See.

Well Read: I, honestly, I'd be happy in like San Diego.

Busy: Nope.

Well Read: 75 ounces.

Tall Girl: And one of the ground shakes without Mike like

Tall Girl: mirror shakes when I wanted to in the bedroom, and at no other time. Those are my rules about terra firma.

Busy: Out there, too. Yeah.

Busy: Hard pass.

Tall Girl: But there is some family on Tiktok. They bought like a 4 h. Or a Boy Scouts Camp, and they converted into like a family compound.

Well Read: Oh, that'd be cool!

Tall Girl: Take over a Boy Scouts camp, and then just douse it in holy water.

Busy: I mean obviously alright.

Tall Girl: There's also some I want to say they're in Texas. A family builds a compound. Everybody has like a house on an acre, but then, like they own the 20 acres collectively. So it's

Tall Girl: they're residential homes in a residential property. But it's like your neighbors are only your family.

Tall Girl: Then they have like

Tall Girl: golf carts in between everybody's houses. So it's like, Hi! I'm I'm carting my way to you now.

Busy: That- that works.

Well Read: Yeah.

Busy: I feel like we need a library there, like a library reading room.

Tall Girl: So the other day I went to an option pickup.

Tall Girl: and it was all these tiny homes.

Tall Girl: and they were emptying out one of the barns of all the items. That's the auction items they were selling. So I got all these glass jugs for winemaking or need making. Oh, there's another one I make mead

Tall Girl: I was absolutely sure Well read was going to run away to this place because they're emptying the barn to create a community library.

Tall Girl: and then the other barn will eventually be like a studio workspace. So everybody in their tiny homes would have community access to the library and the studio.

Tall Girl: But it's just this pile in this middle of the farmland. It's just this pile of tiny homes. And I was like.

Well Read: Yeah.

Tall Girl: Well read is gonna run away to this place like this is not

Tall Girl: far from us, but like I've never been more sure in my life. I know exactly where she's going to run away to.

Busy: Yeah, I don't. I? I don't mind the little home feel for like a day or 2, but then I feel claustrophobic.

Tall Girl: I am Too tall for tiny homes like. It's great for you, little Oompa Oompas, but like.

Busy: I don't.

Tall Girl: There. There is not a tiny home built for a 6 footer like they're just.

Busy: Oh, yeah.

Tall Girl: That's are all 5, 8.

Tall Girl: I'll go clinically.

Busy: It's not like, we're like 5, 3 women. We're like, she's 5, 10. I'm 5, 9, like.

Tall Girl: Conquered tiny minuscule.

Busy: Maybe you're just too tall.

Tall Girl: I mean, look, I did everything I could to stop it. So you know.

Tall Girl: Should have been 6, 7, except for all the caffeine and the.

Busy: So, yeah, no, I think after a while I get a little claustrophobic feeling in that like, I need

Busy: breathable space.

Well Read: I think it depends on the tiny house, like some of them, are very open

Well Read: and very light filled, and they seem a lot bigger than they actually are.

Tall Girl: Some of them are very glass, and I was like, you need to choose your neighbors in this house because

Tall Girl: but this

Tall Girl: like it's beautiful because it's all glass. I'm like, I don't think you've thought through like the sun flares that are going to come through and bake you every morning, but also you end up with a tiny home creeper. Neighbor.

Tall Girl: So many curtains are going to be in your future.

Well Read: You know, I think the for tiny homes. It depends on the layout of it.

Busy: I also think of the 3 of us you're most likely to be a hobbit.

Well Read: Yes, that is absolutely the truth.

Busy: You are bilbo baggins. You miss your books.

Well Read: I'm more, Frodo. I want to run away sometimes.

Tall Girl: There's an airbnb in California that's a hobbit house. I rented it once. It was actually glorious. I'm not even gonna lie. I was like. Oh, I get the appeal. Now there's an outdoor toilet. The only toilet in the house is outdoors. So you have to like.

Well Read: No.

Tall Girl: Over this valley. It's actually really cool.

Well Read: I imagine it would be cool, and I can do without that.

Tall Girl: Yeah, you

Tall Girl: you like have to poop in a warm rain shower. And then you're like, I didn't know this was something I needed in my life. But you're sitting on an outdoor toilet in a warm rain shower, and you're like.

Tall Girl: I didn't know this was something that would speak to my heart.

Busy: It. It does not. I'll tell you right. It does not.

Well Read: Nope. Does not not even a little bit.

Busy: At no point have I thought, hmm!

Busy: I'll put a nice big window in the bathroom. Yeah, I'll point it away from everybody.

Tall Girl: -Oh.

Tall Girl: So apparently our our getaways would be slightly different.

Tall Girl: But also, maybe you guys don't want to face your tiny home windows towards my tiny home bathroom.

Busy: Maybe again. Hence the independent community.

Well Read: Independent community.

Busy: And lots of trees, lots of trees in the area.

Tall Girl: Alright. So what's the downside?

Tall Girl: The reality of? Besides, the fact that you guys would get to see me poop on my outdoor toilet in the middle of a warm rain shower.

Busy: I'm good, though.

Well Read: The I think some of the downsides of

Well Read: living away from everybody else is the lack of convenience

Well Read: like it, you know. If you're out in the middle of the woods somewhere. You might have to drive an hour to pick up basic groceries

Well Read: and then go further, even further afield for the more pressing stuff, depending.

Busy: Which means we have to plan better.

Well Read: Which means you have to plan out an entire day to go collecting the supplies that you need in order to run this place.

Well Read: Varmints.

Tall Girl: Oh, no! No!

Well Read: Varmints.

Tall Girl: You know how I feel about them. That would be.

Tall Girl: We would have to monitor me and my like access to rat poison because.

Tall Girl: I'm cool with you in nature. The second you hit my property line, you become an enemy.

Busy: No, it's not the property line. It's when they come, and it could be possibly within the house, I think.

Busy: because I think you'd be okay if the animals were far off as long as they weren't possibly gonna interfere. Coming into your house.

Busy: you know.

Tall Girl: Like once you pass the concrete barriers. Yeah.

Busy: Or eating your berries.

Busy: I know.

Tall Girl: The deer.

Busy: Right, so.

Tall Girl: Way those supermodel little prancers look at you as they just devour your garden venison. Jerky 0 regrets

Tall Girl: no regret.

Tall Girl: That's.

Busy: So vicious.

Tall Girl: Man. Everybody's like.

Tall Girl: She's so nice. I'm like you have no idea.

Busy: I don't know how she gets about her berries.

Busy: I think, having to eat. There's more of a need to prep for what if happens.

Busy: I have a friend who lives

Busy: in the mountains, and during the winter months there's like the leading up that they don't have access there per block. Those people don't have access to town water. They have well water.

Busy: so when they lose power they can't get water. So going into the winter months. They have to have jugs of water on

Busy: in the house ready to go should they lose power and alternate, you know, heating sources and options of that.

Busy: So there's that kind of prep that you need to do.

Busy: Going into certain times of year.

Tall Girl: What's the movie with Diane Keaton? She moves to Vermont.

Tall Girl: Falls in love with like local vet, but then ends up like starting her own baby food Empire.

Busy: I have no clue. What you're talking about.

Well Read: Baby Boom.

Tall Girl: Like her. Her well runs out of there you go, like her well runs out of water. She's not tied to the main line, and absolutely everything is like, oh, it's going to be like $30,000. And 2 years before we can do this, that and the other.

Well Read: Yep.

Tall Girl: Also like you're you're going to be the last ones plowed at, plowed out. So even if you're prepped, even if you have heat, even if you have everything.

Busy: But in in fairness you probably would have your own cloud. In those type of situations people normally have their own plow

Busy: to.

Tall Girl: Are you volunteering for plow duty.

Busy: I wouldn't mind.

Tall Girl: Oh, I would! I know.

Busy: Amazing every day, all I want.

Tall Girl: Oh.

Tall Girl: on a couch like no part of me wants to interact with like once it's plowed and beautiful, I will interact with snow.

Busy: I've I've done it before. I don't necessarily like it, but I could.

Tall Girl: You've driven a plow.

Busy: Driven a plow. No, I meant like this plow thing, but for the I haven't needed to drive or have a plowed like on my car, but I would in this situation. We're in the fantasy. Damn it, tall girl, we are! There.

Tall Girl: Well, if we're in the Fantasy farm, boy, John is plowing us out.

Busy: Hell if we're in a fantasy. I'm putting heating in the driveway to help melt things and have the driveway on a turn on an angle, so that the water runs off to the side and down and away from the house, but

Busy: otherwise, in this situation, if I'm living in the woods. I recognize that I need to have some kind of truck

Busy: also for taking things, so you might not always get like garbage twice and a week, or cycling taken twice a week, so you might need to bring stuff down to

Busy: centers. So you need to pick up trucks with a plow.

Tall Girl: A 60 mile heated driveway with collection at the bottom of it, with a robot that takes our garbage out, but also separates out the compost, from the recycling, from the non-renewable trash.

Busy: We? We don't need the robot to do all that we still need to do some stuff. My goodness.

Tall Girl: No, we can step in when we want to, but otherwise it's programmed to do it for us. So you know, we don't fall behind.

Well Read: So that we can focus on the baking and the the gardening.

Well Read: My cousin lives on top of a mountain.

Well Read: and for the longest time they were up there and did not have

Well Read: decent Internet. It was only satellite Internet, and the

Well Read: was often slower than dial up.

Well Read: So that that's 1 of the.

Busy: Back to 19 nineties.

Well Read: Oh, yeah.

Busy: My God, if they could just like, give us the aol you got mail.

Tall Girl: Would have been faster.

Tall Girl: The Tiktok trend that bothers me is like hashtag van Life, because they took this beat up 19 sixties, Beetle.

Tall Girl: But then, you know, like they put in a hundred $1,000 of improvement like who has a hundred $1,000 for band improvements. But then they also have, like the full starlink system on the roof. So it's like

Tall Girl: your van is now worth more than my house, and you're like hashtag van life I'm like is that a custom made espresso maker like?

Tall Girl: Did you get that sponsored, please.

Tall Girl: that is not Van life that is like, oh, like, oh, we camp in a parking lot at a local business. You mean your dad's car dealership. And you guys are in the back corner lot with access to the bathroom. Oh, oh, Van, life! How hard!

Tall Girl: I like the idea of van life! But like having to empty my own toilet twice a week from a bucket like dumping into whatever like

Busy: No.

Well Read: Yeah, lack of access to plumbing.

Well Read: Yeah, that's a that's a big one.

Tall Girl: Sketch like you're parking in a Walmart parking lot like that's that's not necessarily safe or secure. That's

Tall Girl: oh, I haven't even thought about security. We'll just have lasers at our independent community.

Busy: I'm sorry we have lasers now.

Tall Girl: We have security lasers.

Well Read: Apparently. Yeah.

Busy: But can we have this like? What are they? What animals is it that's like attack, geese, or like.

Tall Girl: Do you know they actually do? There's a prison. I think it's in China, or something. They've actually they do have geese, because the geese are like more protective and louder. So outside of the barbed wire, there is this community of geese that they have raised because the geese rat out. Anybody who tries to sneak by them.

Busy: You get those, and then you get some livestock dogs that just live outside and.

Tall Girl: We have, like the Irish wolf hounds, like the really big dogs that you could.

Well Read: I've always wanted an Irish Wolfhound. I want an Irish wolfhound and a Bengal cat.

Tall Girl: Okay.

Well Read: Bengal cat is like 4 feet tall.

Tall Girl: We're gonna have to win the lottery like 19 times. And they're all gonna.

Well Read: I am aware, my, I don't ask for much in terms of my living space, but I do ask for a lot in terms of my animals.

Tall Girl: To any of our listeners. If you just happen to be a trillionaire without anybody to leave your estate to just.

Well Read: We take donations.

Tall Girl: We would take your donations. If if you happen to have a Vermont village that you have nothing better to do with like, let us know we would, we would lovingly care for it.

Busy: We are not restricted to the Us either.

Well Read: Correct.

Busy: Villages in Spain or Italy. We think Ireland's weather wise, even though there's usually more rain. For you know, more rain throughout the year. It also doesn't get overly hot or cold.

Busy: So we're down with that, too.

Busy: So we do not discriminate of just being in the Us.

Well Read: In fact, if you're outside the Us. You probably have better chances of us being interested.

Busy: And I always have some place here, but.

Tall Girl: We want so little From our listeners, except, you know, like the International Compound, it's free.

Busy: We have 2. We get to have our woods in

Busy: Maine, Vermont, New York, wherever that, you know, we're going there. And then we have our international.

Busy: our Iic International Independent Compound.

Tall Girl: I feel like that point. We start charging membership fees that gets weird.

Busy: We we build. It's our own hoa kind of vibe. We contribute money to it.

Well Read: No hoa.

Tall Girl: I'm starting to understand why cults are like, just bring us your life savings. And you know

Tall Girl: a pair of nikes.

Busy: And a shroud.

Tall Girl: Like how quickly we are slipping into like. It'll be great. It will be great when you're here. Just bring us all your money and your village, or your like

Tall Girl: medieval castle in somewhere some obscure corner of Italy.

Busy: I just like to point out that you're the one who keeps bringing up the whole.

Well Read: Have said that. That's all. You move.

Well Read: Yeah.

Tall Girl: Beyond being the most honest out of us.

Busy: It's not even crossed my mind to have a cult, because that defeats the whole point of this. Going into a cabin.

Tall Girl: So we're just gonna have people show up and join us and let chaos rain. And we're just gonna be like, no cool. Put your stuff exactly where you want to put it.

Well Read: Can have rules without becoming a religion.

Tall Girl: Oh, no, not a religion!

Busy: Sure.

Tall Girl: Just like, you know.

Tall Girl: don't put trash in your front yard, or the Hailbot comment is coming for you like just a slight impending threat of

Tall Girl: community organization.

Tall Girl: If you're going to be able to join my peaceful place, you're not going to be able to fuck it up. There need to be consequences.

Well Read: My goodness!

Well Read: Oh, my goodness!

Tall Girl: I just really, really, really want my peace and other people, just

Tall Girl: people who obey basic human decency rules.

Well Read: Like we can. We can.

Tall Girl: If you're a really good baker, but a jerk, it's fine.

Well Read: We can have a town constitution or something like that, there will be rules. There will be consequences. It's just, you know.

Tall Girl: Can we set up our own government.

Well Read: Rule number one. Don't be an asshole.

Tall Girl: Oh, it's true!

Busy: We're not. Now. Okay, listen. Calm.

Tall Girl: Hook.

Busy: I don't know. I might need to be in my own here, because you 2 are getting a little out of control.

Well Read: Why? Because, I said, you can't be an asshole.

Tall Girl: No, because I feel like that

Tall Girl: be the only rule, and we would be good.

Busy: So that is the main role. No. Now we're talking about a government. There's she keeps talking about cult. My God, like, it's just gonna

Busy: I just work lots of the woods.

Tall Girl: Like he wouldn't like to organize it all.

Tall Girl: Hey? I bring you my independent community and a list of 44 rules. Would you like to schedule some of this for us.

Well Read: Seriously.

Tall Girl: Yeah, yeah. Your face says I would like to spread chart that.

Busy: I would. But I don't wanna have. I would organize it because me with it, not because I necessarily believe we need to do it, and I would also try to

Busy: consolidate and see is, do we actually need a cheese committee?

Tall Girl: Yes. Okay, logically, yes.

Well Read: Here's the thing. Here's the thing logically, right.

Busy: We don't do logic. Well, here.

Well Read: I do, you 2 don't.

Tall Girl: True.

Well Read: So if we were to have this independent community.

Tall Girl: Hmm.

Well Read: With things like animals and garden plots and etc. Etc. Etc. There would be chores that needed to be done daily, weekly, monthly, etc. So we would need some kind of rule of order.

Busy: Yeah, but that.

Well Read: Actually do those things.

Busy: That's fine, but we don't necessarily need a government.

Well Read: I didn't say government.

Busy: The cult leader did.

Tall Girl: You have to admit man. My cult would be fun.

Well Read: It would be.

Tall Girl: Wildly entertaining Jesus, and then we

Tall Girl: loose and flowy like, with with an emphasis on hydration and rest and mental wellness like you'll be the most cared for cult members ever.

Busy: My God, we'd be into like color coded clothing.

Tall Girl: Like there would be a cheese ceremony, a chocolate ceremony, a tea ceremony. It's true, it's true.

Well Read: We do love a tea ceremony.

Tall Girl: Oh, we would make our own wine

Tall Girl: free, unfettered access to the independent community, booze closet.

Well Read: Rules, rules around both.

Busy: You don't want any booze, Miss Gin and tonic.

Well Read: No.

Busy: Click on it.

Well Read: No! Let me.

Tall Girl: Like I'm gonna need a gin and.

Well Read: Did I say that? I said no, I just said rules around booze.

Busy: Such as.

Well Read: If Rule number one is, don't be an asshole. Rule number 2 is, don't drink to the point where you're an asshole.

Tall Girl: I'm a friendly drunk. I love people more. When I drink. If anything, the cult would only get better the more I drink.

Busy: And I don't do it often, so I'm allowed to have a moment.

Tall Girl: So basically to get into our cult, we're gonna need to get you hammered and see how you react.

Tall Girl: And then we're gonna need to put you through a cheese play trial to see if you're worthy. Yeah. And then, if you're like a super dark, chocolate person, we might have to put you out on the outskirts of town.

Tall Girl: But if you have knitting skills you can probably move into the second neighborhood.

Busy: Wait. Wait. We're okay with dark chocolate, but you.

Well Read: I'm okay with. I'm okay with dark chocolate.

Tall Girl: Super dark, bitter stuff, like the 90%.

Busy: Now that's not me, but that's her. What is what does it matter what flavor level of bitter chocolate we like.

Tall Girl: I I wonder about those people like the 90 percenters that for baking, yes, for daily consumption. I

Tall Girl: I wonder.

Busy: I'm sorry.

Well Read: We've wandered off the plot. Guys. I'm really sorry.

Busy: But the plot is still in the woods.

Tall Girl: We have a rich, fantasy life about running away, which apparently goes off the rails a lot. So it's probably better we are tied to our daily 9 to 5.

Busy: The rows.

Tall Girl: Suburbia in the cities.

Busy: That's right.

Well Read: Correct.

Busy: Oh, it's done in home now.

Tall Girl: The safety of humanity. It's probably better if we have to be locked down to a desk for a few hours a day.

Busy: That is probably right, and for our own mental well-being. All right. Well, on that, I think we need to wrap this up.

Busy: Oh.

Tall Girl: We'll keep the dream alive in our heads.

Tall Girl: Yeah, well, that's that's really all that matters.

Tall Girl: that's it for episode 19. If you're dreaming of moving to the woods, maybe start with a weekend trip.

Busy: And if you already moved, we salute you.

Busy: Please send us Sourdough recipes and a Wi-fi password.

Well Read: If you like this, subscribe review, or send it to a friend who keeps forwarding you. Zillow links for questionable cabins.

Tall Girl: Okay.

Busy: It was a nice cabin.

Well Read: Notice how quickly they jump to guilt.

Tall Girl: If you get your creepy cabin, I get my independent community.

Busy: Good Lord!

Tall Girl: Okay. But until then stay sensible.

Busy: Or embrace the chaos.

Well Read: Obviously both.