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Regan: [00:00:00] Hello everyone, and welcome to the Mr. Pickney and the Man Hater Podcast. I am your host, Reagan, AKA, the man hater, even though I don't hate men, and

Chesko: I am your other host, Jessica, you hear, was that supposed

Regan: to make noise?

Chesko: Can you not hear it? I can hear

Regan: I, I heard something.

Chesko: Is it not working? This was supposed to be good.

I was supposed to be like, I wasn't even trying to mess it up. I thought it'd be funny. Wait, let me, can you hear it? No. Disco's having a malfunction. No, this is loud. There you go. Okay. I'm CHASCo

Regan: I a little airborn. Was it worth it? Was it worth it? All of this. Mr.

Chesko: Mr. Pick me who's already been picked 15 years this past week.

Regan: Yay. Your face as you press the little blow horn and no, no. Sound comes out. You're like, it's gonna be

Chesko: [00:01:00] so, I thought it was gonna be actually a fun. Now I know I have to literally lay it on the, uh, the mic microphone. Jesus. Let's try it again. It's Tesco, also known as Mr. Pick Me of the Mr Pick me in the Man Hatter Show, even though I've already been picked.

Welcome to our radio hour. No,

Regan: it's barely there. It's like a light. It's a light dusting of air horn.

That's great. Tesco. You've added so much to our lives.

Chesko: I thought, man, I wanna get a soundboard for our show. No. Oh my God, you

Regan: would be obnoxious every two seconds. Anybody

Chesko: where I can purchase one that will actually make sounds. No one tell him, please let me know. No one tell him. I don't care the cost. I will, I'm gonna invest in this.

Uh, and we're gonna have that going forward.

Regan: Please don't, please

Chesko: [00:02:00] don't

Regan: you think after that went so well, we should add more buttons.

Chesko: Well, that's the problem. I'm doing this unprofessionally. I have to be a professional troublemaker. I have to be, have my rambunctiousness put into technology terms. Good God.

Jessica, what are we for someone? Wait, what gonna say? I, I am really good with technology, but also completely the worst person on earth with, with technology. I don't know how those two can live inside of me, but they managed to do it.

There's two wolves inside of you. There's two wolves inside of me. One understands the web of technological ness.

The other wants to live in the woods and feed like the ancient brethren of wolves before. Oh,

Regan: the web of technological.

Chesko: You heard me? That's correct.

Regan: That's correct. Okay. I stand by

Chesko: it. It's the name of my new book.

Regan: What are we [00:03:00] talking about today?

Chesko: The 10 Least Attractive Hobbies of Women According To Men

Theme song: Theme Song. You want bad advice, man? I'll give it out. Glad I got some good advice for you. No you don't.

I know you don't. I got some good advice for you. No, you don't. I you don't. Shit.

Chesko: So I thought for today's episode we would go through this list from 10 to one and unpack a little bit about where this comes from. And uh, and to be clear, this is not us saying, ladies, this is what you need to stop doing.

Yeah. To get a man, uh, this is us more so going through, I think the psychology of why. This would be on why this list exists. 'cause I think these lists exist no matter what. We, we've talked about the one for least attractive male hobbies according to women before. Oh, one of

Regan: them was porn.

Chesko: Yeah. One of them, I, spoiler porn is [00:04:00] not, well, we'll get to that.

Uh, number ten first is the least attractive hobby according to Men for women, is video games.

Regan: Are you joking me? What,

Chesko: what? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Regan: When I found out my wife would play video games with me, I was literally like, oh,

Chesko: well, it was the best thing in the world. The fact that my wife and I could play video games together, one of the first things we bonded over was I was playing World of Warcraft, and she made a final fantasy reference.

I was like,

Regan: oh, we're getting married today.

Chesko: The people, my, the guys also World of Warcraft. But they yelled out on the, the thing, they were like, you marry her, JustCo, marry her. Now

Regan: she's gotta get away.

Yeah.

That's crazy. Like, yeah. What with all the shit they talk about, like people judging their video game, hobbies and how much time they should get devoted to 'em.

You don't want them to play with you.

Chesko: It makes me question the validity of this list. [00:05:00] The only, the only way I could see it being like, uh, if they, like, they're worried that if she was better at them that than them, you know, that it might be like they don't know if they could handle the, their partner being better.

Regan: I also think it's an excuse for some men who want alone time and want to not have to do like, you know, other tasks around the house. Like watching the children. Right. Or cleaning or whatever.

Chesko: Video games are my thing.

Regan: Well, yeah, well, they'll be like, I have to go play video games. And if your partner then isn't on that mm-hmm.

What's your excuse?

Mm-hmm. Right. And would

you then let her go play video games for hours?

I

doubt not the ones I'm talking about. Jessica is gonna yawn. I thought you were gonna sneeze. That's much more insulting.

Chesko: Big yawn. I'm sorry. You're so Lori. We were gonna talk about this on here. My daughter kept us up for most of the night, and so I'm a

Regan: them not, not us.

No. Yeah.

Chesko: My daughter [00:06:00] kept rigging up in, in another state all night long. We, we FaceTimed, we FaceTime. I was like two in the morning. I was like, can you believe this shit? You better

Regan: not. If I'm sleeping, you better leave me be.

Chesko: No, that's, that's, anyways, so my daughter kept me up. Uh, and I I actually that we're not gonna get See the pat show for the, the pay show.

Regan: What did you say? See

Chesko: the pre-show on the Patreon? Say the pay show. I'm slurring my words so badly during the pre-show. I think it's 'cause my brain is, I'm just, like I said, I'm tired so I apologize. I'm going to over enunciate. Red leather, yellow leather, red leather, yellow leather, red

Regan: leather, yellow leather.

Chesko: Rubber baby buggy bumpers. Okay, I'm back. I'm back, baby. Just go back baby. Just goes back baby. And I'm out. No wait, I'm here. All right. So, oh God. Video games. But you're right. I think that's a, that I, I could see that being like, no, that's my thing. Yeah. That's my way to ex to go be away from you because I don't like [00:07:00] women.

My escape. It's where I get to talk to the guys I'm actually attracted to.

Regan: Well, and speaking of like last week's episode of not wanting to hear how men behave, have you heard Men on Live? Oh my God. Like there's, um, I can't remember her name, which is bad, but there's a gamer online, a woman who games and she records the gaming sessions.

Oh, its terrific. And men say the most atrocious. And also she destroys them, which is amazing. Mm-hmm.

Um,

they just get destroyed and she's like, so Hmm. About that. But I think. I think there's some of that too. Like if you're on live, you would not want your partner to be present or there because mm-hmm. God only knows what you're saying,

Chesko: what they're saying.

Well, that was a chapter in my master's thesis, uh, was about, uh, the language that, that the separation that a lot of these guys Oh, the World of Warcraft,

Regan: when you did, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chesko: That they'll, they'll, they'll be like, well, that wasn't me. That was my character. Like, no, no, Donald, that was [00:08:00] you.

Regan: That was you two seconds ago.

Chesko: Right Sean, that was you saying the N word about a boss as a little white boy in the Midwest. He takes his

Regan: headphones off, he's like, and I'm transformed.

Chesko: I'm transformed back to normal God who wants that? And it like,

Regan: no wait. In World of Warcraft, that's the language they use. Yeah, I don't think so

Chesko: horrific.

It was a lot. No, but I'm saying like not know. You're like a

Regan: warlock.

Chesko: Yeah, it's M-M-O-R-P-G. You're not roleplaying a, you know I'm Apparently it's roleplaying. A Nazi racist. Yeah. Well,

Regan: it's like I don't think that warlock is racist. Like No.

Chesko: Inherently if they were racist,

Regan: it'd be to another. Is that part

Chesko: of the lore fact check as if we're wrong.

Regan: Like

Chesko: I've heard the druids are horrible racists.

Don't get me

started on Bards.

Regan: Oh God. I don't know enough to make jokes, so I'm gonna let you take this one, sir.

Chesko: Well, orc warlocks are,

Regan: I only know Orks from Lord of the Rings, and I did not like them.

Chesko: Or shamans are [00:09:00] actually very caring and kind though, so it's, it's a weird not,

Regan: well then they must not be related to the ones I saw because they were very mean little torture ELs.

Chesko: They have totos, they have totems that they heal with and they caused it. Anyways. Next up. Don't get CHASCo started, please. I think that's, uh, on this we have number nine true crime.

Regan: I think they're gonna kill them

a hundred percent. They're like, this woman's gonna kill me.

Chesko: She's finding out really good ideas.

Regan: I know so many people who are into true crime that could probably get away sufficiently with murder.

Chesko: Yeah. I do think, isn't that the stereotype though? Like 90% of the audience of online crime documentaries are women?

Regan: Yeah. A lot of white women. I think.

Chesko: A lot of white, yeah.

Regan: No, I think, yeah, a lot of. A lot of women. I, uh, I like some, I like [00:10:00] the psychology of true crime, certainly. Mm-hmm. But like, yeah, men don't, because there, there's so many videos online of like, uh, me doing chores. And then the, you know, the husband's like, oh, she's so cute.

And then it cuts too, what you're listening to. It's like her arms were cut off, her legs were cut off, and you're like,

I mean, I have been literally hyper fixating on the Titan submersible and the details about carbon fiber. And I have been listening to some horrifying things myself. So it's like, yeah, I, uh, I don't think they want women who know how to dispose of a body.

Chesko: Yeah. I do think it's also part of like. If you've never experienced trauma, like deep trauma or something, you don't, you can't understand why.

It's part of like processing it is like mm-hmm. Kind of going through and listening to other stuff and talking about it and even laughing about it. Yeah. Right. And that's, I've, I've shared this story about my three friends, my two best friends, and I, uh, where [00:11:00] the four loco party, where we were like laughing harder than we've ever laughed having a contest who had the worst dad.

Um, and the people in other room are horrified. Right. But for us, like as someone that's lived that, and I think this could a sad, the sad reality of the state of the world is Yeah. If, if you were a woman in society, you've dealt with some sort of stalking, you've probably dealt with some sort of like situation that begins like a lot of these true crime documentaries do.

And so a way of processing way of like, not like. Losing it like is, is by laughing at it, is by having conversations about it, is by listening and by learning from it. So you know, the warning like that, the reality is men are like, well, I don't have to worry about that.

Regan: Well, and there's also like o of course any gender can do a crime, I think, right?

A lot of violent crimes are at the hands of men and a lot of times the victims are women. But you know who,

Chesko: I think 80, 87% was the stat last time I looked up of all violent crime is done by men.

Regan: It's rough. But you know, a lot of you [00:12:00] then have to question, well, who do you identify with? Like, do you identify with the victim?

Do you learn from the story? Or if you identify with the men, do you, does it make you uncomfortable to hear that? You know, I think there is a big difference between like the experience identifying with the victim and the experience identifying with the perpetrator. Because like, I'll give you a weird example.

Um, the Titan's submersible. Uh, so I have been watching a lot of podcasts and. Just listening testimony. Uh, it's, it's too much reading articles. Yeah. Everything's, you know, when I fixate it's bad. I'm gonna make another video on it. Uh, anyways, but that is not appropriate for the tides of. That is not an appropriate time.

This is why you cannot have a board. I'm gonna be telling you a traumatic story and you'll be like,

Chesko: it'd be like the game joke. Exactly.

Regan: No, back to the Titan. And [00:13:00] this, for those of you who don't know Stockton Rush, who is the head of uh, ocean Gate. He was on the Titan Submersible. He went down with it. He was amongst the five people who they were searching for.

He died there. He did atrocious things that in my mind led to these deaths, like just beyond neglect. Um, anyways, point being, there was a guy who was listening to. Had, he was a podcast host. He had listened to both documentaries, or watched both documentaries and had read certain things and listened to testimony.

And he was like, yeah, well, Stockton Rush, we have to, you have to admit he was a pretty accomplished guy. You have to admit he is a pretty intelligent guy. I'm like, no, you don't. You don't have to admit shit. You don't have to admit shit. He was an elitist son of a bitch. Yeah.

Chesko: Who? Well, he was, he was a billionaire.

That's always like, yeah, you don't, you don't make that money. And a lot the way you make that kind of money is by being a horrific person,

Regan: exploitation of the working class. Mm-hmm. And it was like, he, [00:14:00] like the dude got like horrible grades all through school. Like there is actually very limited evidence that he was intelligent, particularly in the field that he was working in.

Mm-hmm. Like anyone else in his field was like. No, someone even said, one of his engineers said he allegedly got his degree. Mm-hmm. He knew so little. He said that, uh, he didn't have a basic understanding of scientific, uh, concepts.

Mm-hmm.

But point being like, he heard all of this and he identified and almost like out of reverence made a comment like, well, we can admit he's a pretty inspiring dude, basically.

Yeah. And I was like, did we listen to the same story? What? But that's, I do think, I do think that some men listen to these stories and like, identify.

Chesko: And they're like, man, that guy was really good at picking up women.

Regan: He was onto something.

Chesko: This is a Jeffrey Dahmer podcast man.

Regan: He did not pick up women. So Wrong, wrong guy.

Chesko: Sorry, I forgot. Yeah. Uh, he picked up men. I don't, as you can tell, [00:15:00] I'm, to be fair, I just, uh, gave a little insight into the fact that I do not watch any true crime. I get really personally uncomfortable about like, like those kind of like any har like serial killer stuff. I can listen to true crime stuff, that's fine.

But when it comes to serial killer stuff for it like. It, it messes with me, like when I hear about those kind of things,

Regan: there's also ethical issues. Yeah. I think there's a lot of ethical issues in the ways people do true crime. Sometimes they don't even research, they don't get permissions. Mm-hmm. They talk about things in ways that I don't think are particularly respectful.

Mm-hmm. Um, they make money off of crimes. Like there, there are some legitimate criticisms and concerns about true crime as a whole. Mm-hmm. I, I wholeheartedly hear these Yeah. These concerns and complaints from people. Um, but I do think men are scared of women who listen to crime and their abilities to kill someone.

Hide them.

Chesko: She stay, she says a notepad out if we're [00:16:00] listening to this,

Regan: like poisons, she's like, oh, antifreeze. You say sweet. Got it.

Chesko: Watching, breaking bad. But like, that's true. You know? That's how you dispose of a body.

Regan: Done it twice.

Chesko: Mm-hmm. Uh, all right. Next step? 'cause I wanna make sure we can get through all.

Okay. 10 of these, uh, is reality tv.

Regan: Oh, they always say that. They always say that. They always have a problem with it. Like,

Chesko: do you watch reality tv?

Regan: Uh, my wife watches reality tv. I, I will watch it if there's something intellectual I like about it.

Mm-hmm.

Like if I can do commentary on it, then I am interested.

Certainly. Uh, it's not my cup of tea per se. I like competition, so like mm-hmm. There's something I'm like, Ooh, that's interesting.

Chesko: Does cooking shows count as reality? I guess they do.

Regan: I do like cooking shows. Yeah. But I think, um. I think it's interesting when, when men just hate on those immediately as if like mm-hmm.

They're, you know, the things they like to watch. Like, I mean, [00:17:00] you're, they watch like games, like what is that? Right. If not competitions Right.

Chesko: Right. Like that people are filming. Actually, you're, you're right. Like what is, what is like a football game? It's, it's a, it's a different type of reality tv, but it's not, it's not the way I deemed it to be worthy.

Regan: I, but it's also male

Chesko: gaze. It's

Regan: associated I think with like feminine wom like women. Mm-hmm. Uh, which men tend, tend to hate just because they are associated with them. Like, there used to be more reality TV that was aimed at men, like back and Spike TV days. You remember that? Mm-hmm. There was like, oh God, there was a lot of weird stuff that went on.

Yeah. Um, but there was, I think then men would act like they liked those shows with like the, the man show. But there's a lot, there's a lot of, uh, reality esque. Reality style shows that were more aimed towards men that I think men enjoyed. And now that there's less. 'cause I think

Chesko: when they say reality shows, yeah, they're referring to a very specific type of reality show,

Regan: like Vanderpump Rules.

Chesko: Yeah. I don't even know what that is. And so, uh, is

Regan: I don't [00:18:00] either.

Chesko: But is that like, is Well I was thinking like the Real Housewives shows. Oh yeah. Or, uh, one of, of the Housewives Island is on

Regan: that is on Van. Oh, okay.

Chesko: What is Van? Is it like, is it basically that Lisa

Regan: Vanderpump was on one of the, I I, now I'm gonna get in trouble 'cause I don't know well enough, but, and then it was all these like, young 20 year olds who work at her bar, but kind of don't actually work at her bar.

Mm-hmm. But there's all this drama. Oh, oh, Tom Sandoval. Do you remember that drama? What,

Chesko: oh, I'm also, you know, me and our audience knows, is I am Horrible with names also. So you can be like, you can be somebody, you could be referring to a drama I was a part of. You'd be like, you know, Tom Sandoval.

Regan: I don't know.

Chesko: Your brother. Your brother. That's

Regan: what I was gonna say. Oh.

Chesko: Oh, that Tom. Sorry. Oh, sorry. I

Regan: thought you made a different one. Didn't even. Yeah, he cheated on his long-term girlfriend with a much younger best friend that they were all best friends with. It was, and got busted for it. It was a whole, it, it like went across.

I [00:19:00] talked about it because I think he's a narcissist. But, um, anyways, yes, that's, that's the more stereotypical kinds. There's Love Island, which is a whole other thing.

Chesko: Uh, love at first sight.

Regan: Oh. Married at first sight.

Chesko: Married at first sight. That's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, the, what's the other one where they, they can't see each other.

Uh, is that the love married at first sight or is that, that's married at first sight. Isn't there a dating one that's like that too? Or is that, is it all married? I don't know. This is showing. I am, I am actually really bad because I, and from my personal standpoint, these last two have been like, yeah, I have no interest in, that's why.

Yeah. Oh no. Oh no. I'm turning into a, to a, I'm that

Regan: guy. Well, again, I think it's. They, they've just decided there's no value to it because I think it is associated with women. I think men liked the Tela Tequila show when that came out. They were a lot more interested in that, but it just has to, I don't know if that

Chesko: is either.

Is that a person

Regan: Tila Tequila, who was actually a terrible person? Um, she did a shot at Love where she [00:20:00] liked, came out as bi and she dated men and Women. Mm-hmm. And it was one of the first, uh, shows that was showcased, uh, more queer, like a queer Oh, was it

Chesko: like Flavor Fla? Like the flavor Flavor, yes.

Related to that kind of, it wasn't

Regan: related to it, but it was the same, same vibe, that same era. Yeah. Okay.

Chesko: I, uh, the, the reason I don't, what's funny is the reason I don't know a lot of them is 'cause I've been interested in watching a lot of these. My wife has zero interest in reality TV at all. Yeah. I've been like, do you wanna, you wanna watch this?

She's like, no. And so, yeah,

Regan: it's a good people study. That's what I think is interesting. But.

Chesko: I think that's what it is. Like why I think I would be interested. 'cause I love people watching. I'm like, mm-hmm. I'm like, oh, how are people? People like, oh, that's how you're supposed to talk to other humans. Okay.

Write it down it down in my, because I used to love the real world.

Regan: Oh yeah.

Chesko: Uh, and like road rules. Mm-hmm. Uh, and those, those, the old, the original, I guess reality shows. Um, and so like, I think I would've [00:21:00] transitioned into them if I had been in a relationship with the other person was into it. But I'm, I wasn't like so strongly fanatical about it that I was, I needed to, I was like, no, you will watch this with me.

Watch it. We're watching. It is Tuesday. We are watching Survivor It, and then First, and then we go onto this other show Next Uhhuh. And then, although I think Survivor would probably be an acceptable male reality show. Yes, I think so too. There's one to do. Yeah, man. Gosh. So reality shows, uh, that was number eight.

Anything further? No, let's keep going. Number seven is shopping. Did a, did a

Regan: misogynist write this list. What's the, what's the most cliche women, hobbies aside for video games. That's, that, that throws it a little bit. But shopping. Huh? I

Chesko: hate shopping so much. Like, it's not like my, my, my wife laughs because, uh, I do the, this is, this is, I'm finding out a much more of a stereotype right now [00:22:00] than I realize it could even.

Um, but she laughs 'cause like when I go shopping, I know what I want and I will walk in, I will purchase the item and I will be out of the store within five minutes if that. Uh, and she was like, what if you see other stuff you want? And she's like, or, or like, when, when I go shopping with her and the kids, they'll pick my son's very similar to me.

Mm-hmm. And she'll pick, he'll pick something. Mm-hmm. And she'll be like, okay, well let's keep looking to see if there's something. I'm like, and I, I, I'll be like, why? I'm my lip, I'm like. He picked the item. He chose the, and now we go. Yeah. And so since he is a very similar, and this might be more of an artistic thing then, 'cause my son's also autistic, uh, where we are with this, this is the purpose of this trip, was to buy the item that we decided to buy versus my wife and my daughter will go and just be there per joyously, not buying a single thing.

They'll be there for an hour and walk out with a diet Coke.

Regan: That's the dream. You just walk around, you check stuff out, you enjoy the activity.

Chesko: Uh, it's too, I don't like the, [00:23:00] it's a sense old, every store has these fricking horrible overhead lights. That's true. Now I'm, I am realizing now this is definitely an autistic thing and not a man thing for me.

It's horrible. Lights. Yeah. There's people all over the place. There's, it is usually, it's like most stores, at least like the I I go to are crowded. Right. It's, it's just, it's a sensory nightmare.

Regan: Yeah. It is

Chesko: truly. So I can, I cannot stand it. Um, and then, and like, and even if you go to a small store, then the person there wants to talk to you and help you.

This is a solitary experience

Regan: I don't wanna be sold to, that's for sure. Um, but I will talk to them, but I just, on the inside, I'm like, uh, enough. Enough. Yeah. I, but again, I, I feel like this comes from men and their idea, uh, misogynistic men in particular, that like women are, they're gonna spend all my money shopping.

They're gonna take out my money, and that's all they want. And it's like, what money?

Chesko: Right.

Regan: Book Gold. What are they digging for? Yeah. Show me. [00:24:00] Where's your credentials? Yeah. Are are you, do you have the credentials to be in this conversation? Because like most of the time it's not the men with money that are freaking out about the gold diggers, but like, I think that's what they're afraid of, is like, oh, she's gonna take my credit card and go spend it.

Mm-hmm. It's like, what can, what if she spends her own money? Like if she's spending her own money, do you care?

Chesko: Right. And why? You know, it, it's, yeah. It, it's, it's a very, it, it, this was one, one concept that took me a long time to understand about the home money thing. 'cause we, my wife and I have always just had a joint account, uh, since we got married.

And it's never, and I just don't question, I just assumed that if she spent something, it was for a right. A purpose. 'cause I respect her. Uh, that, and it's not, you know, I'm, I'm never like, what is this? Why did you spend this

Regan: diet Coke?

Chesko: Uh, yeah. What, what is this? $2 19? But like, I just, I just. Accept it. Right.

It's not that big of a deal, but in part because of the fact that I always knew that I was going into a profession where I was going to make more [00:25:00] money, and the stuff that she has been interested in doing was never going to be a, uh, a money She likes working with young children. Right. She like doing art, she like doing theater.

It's, those are not like, unless you make it, you know, and like the topic 0.01%. Yeah. You know, it's, and so we, we made a conscious decision early on that it was just better to like look at our finances as fully 100% our finances. Right. And like, so that there's no drama that comes in, but like, will you, do you need to need to loan you money?

Do you need, that's, um, to us. But it took, so it took me a while to understand why so many people do separate finances. And I think a lot of times has to do with, because they don't want this, this financial manipulation and the, the, that goes into it from their partner

Regan: and, and I mean, if someone's abusing finances, like shopping in a crazy way, that's not what we're talking about.

No, but it's also like. If you look at shopping as, you know, the hobby where you're buying stuff like mm-hmm. So many of men's hobbies are [00:26:00] very expensive. Mm-hmm. Very time consuming, very, um, very dependent on buying more and more of the thing. Like collecting is a lot of money. Um. Mm-hmm.

Uh,

like building onto something.

If you're with cars or you know, you're getting tools, you're, you're buying new things, you're, I feel like you're always collect, like there's, there's so many hobbies of men mm-hmm. That have the same process of shopping. It's just more, they don't look

Chesko: at it as shopping. There's

Regan: a purpose to it. Yeah. Then it's collecting if they do it.

Mm-hmm. It's collecting. If you do it, it's shopping If I do it. Mm-hmm. Like that's the part that I'm like, okay.

Chesko: Speaking of voice, okay. I cannot, can I go to side note real quick?

Regan: When, don't you,

Chesko: this is related though. I cannot express how much of my mental energy goes into stopping myself from collecting Pokemon cards.

I, 'cause I love Pokemon What, like, this is shop, but like, I want to get, I know how expensive it is though. It's an ex because of all these freaking scalpers that [00:27:00] have, and that have like got that do all this shit where they are buying all this stuff and reselling and everything. Mm-hmm. But man, I want to so bad, I don't know how to do hobbies like gently either.

You know? I don't know how to just like, oh, I'm gonna dip your toe, buy a pack here or there. Right. I know it's going to be a, a third career. So I kept, I started looking for like, what's a cheaper collection that I can do that they're all expensive. There's no, there's no such thing as like collecting cheap things.

Regan: It's called hoarding.

Chesko: It's a, yeah, I guess that's a, well, and the one thing I did, 'cause I collected cards as a, as a teenager. Um, and I had all the Marvel cards, uh, and I was like, oh, these are, I think I've talked about this before. I thought they were gonna be worth so much money and apparently they're worth exactly what I paid for them in the nineties.

Regan: I saw a video I thought you would like. There was this, um, I guess the two, I think they were her e either her sons or her grandsons. And then they would, it [00:28:00] was an elderly grandma and then the sons, uh, both. I think they had au they had autism. Mm-hmm. But they were saying how she sends them like these, they're in her house and they're like, yeah, she sent me another, um, video about how it's caused by vaccines or what, just like crazy videos.

Yeah.

Uh, and they're like, yeah, okay. Oh. Did you notice this beautiful Princess Diana plate set? And that shows like this huge collection of plate set. She goes, and this is her small things cabinet. It's a ton of small things, but don't touch them and don't look at them. And then they go through the house and there's clearly all these little like hyper fixation collections.

It was so fucking funny 'cause there was like, it doesn't exist. But did you see this Rosa?

Chesko: Did you see all of these? Uh, yeah.

Regan: These are the beautiful plates. You can't touch them and you can't use them and you actually can't open this door. Don't touch them. They're for looking only. Only. Yes. And she had like, i i 20 different little wooden, uh, [00:29:00] shelving units of these tiny, tiny little figurines that she really loved.

Chesko: I, it's so funny. Like what? Like finding under, learning more about autism and then finally me tracing it back to my family. Like my grandmother, the first time she met my wife, uh, she, it was like when she'd accepted her as, as like her, her possible future granddaughter. Uh, she like pulled a, a pocket out of her, uh, or a rock out of her pocket, and she was like, this is one of my favorites and this is a dike.

Uh, and, and my wife was like, she had no idea what was happening.

Regan: Your wife would be like, okay. Yeah.

Chesko: And she was like, thank you so much. But my grandmother like, would, would just spend countless hours looking for fun rocks, and I would feel go with her. And it was, it's so, rocks are awesome.

Regan: Rocks are amazing.

Um,

Chesko: but anyways, but like that's, I was like, and, but yeah, autism didn't run in my family at all. My, my uncle, uh, would assess, [00:30:00] spent probably tens of thousands of dollars building trains and model trains, and they bought a house literally 10 feet away from a train track. Uh, and his entire life has been about trains.

Trains. And his son ended up becoming an engineer, uh, of a train. But no, I mean, it's weird that nobody else in my family could possibly, I'm the first, you know, my, my, my kids were the first to be diagnosed. It's weird. That's crazy. It just popped outta nowhere.

Regan: Yeah. Just be where, I don't know. Living by a train is process foods is wild.

Yeah, exactly. Choosing to live by a loud train.

Chesko: That's a wild, quite literally the, the track is 10 feet. I'm not joking. There's like, there's the road in between the house and the track is right next to it where Yeah. We used to go as kids, we used to go out there and put coins on the tracks and

Regan: you have to love trains so much to do that.

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: Wow. Okay. What's the next one? And

Chesko: you go, next one is

Regan: trains.

Chesko: Yeah. Men, men hate when women love trains. This, I dunno if this is a [00:31:00] hobby, but, uh, this is, this is what's kind Cosmetic procedures.

I guess it could be. What? I don't even know. Is it a story? I

Regan: don't believe that. Who may? This is a list by one man. I don't, because men, what? I mean, I think men, I'm just going off of the commentary. I see. Mm-hmm. I think a lot of men comment on like excessive plastic surgery, but like, uh, from what I've seen, a lot of men do enjoy

Chesko: mm-hmm.

Regan: Uh, fake chess and

Chesko: mm-hmm.

Regan: Uh, women not aging.

Chesko: Mm-hmm. I, I was thinking, is there, they're talking about like Botox and stuff like that too. I think. I guess

Regan: I don't

Chesko: know,

Regan: but I feel like I would like that.

Chesko: Well, it's the same thing about guys that are complaining about like women wearing makeup. Yes. I mean like, or, or like, you'll see one of those like before and after makeup tutorials.

Yes. And the guys stitching it. Like, see, you took me fish, catfish. What is this? What you think? [00:32:00] Yeah. What is this? Catfishing Take her to the pool.

Regan: First aid at the pool. I hate that shit, but it's so true. It's, but then when, when you show them a photo, they're like, this is what I want. And you're like, this is not, this is a no makeup, makeup look.

Mm-hmm. This woman has done an hour worth of makeup. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. When,

when women have no makeup, those same guys are like, oh God. Yikes. Do even try.

Chesko: Right, right.

Regan: Like there

Chesko: was, there was one specifically where, uh, she purposely made herself, like, her face look kind of like odd, like before and then Oh, they all do.

And the point was though, it was like after in the comments though, there were a couple guys were like, um, because there were, most of the comments were like, the whole bullshit. Like, see, this is why, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Women are terrible, blah, blah. And so, but, so there were actually some rational guys in the audience were like, guys, she was pretty beforehand.

Regan: I have a, a loathing of those videos, Uhhuh, where very attractive women like, um. [00:33:00] Just tra like societally speaking, I guess you could say. Right, right. Well, it happens in different cultures too. So the whatever, like mm-hmm. Culturally attractive, whatever. Mm-hmm. Um, will make themselves look what they perceive as unattractive.

They'll, you know, pull their chins in so they have mm-hmm. More of a, like a, oh my god, a double chin, or whatever they think. Or they'll, they'll like draw an acne. Mm-hmm. And they'll draw on wrinkles and they'll give themselves a unibrow. And I'm just like, well, you knock it off. I'm like, you're, you're a beautiful person.

You have amazing makeup skills. Why do you have to, like, why do you have to do that? Like, because then it associates those things as. This is what ugly is. This is what you're trying to get away of. And it's like, can you just be beautiful in your own Right? Why do you have to like put somebody down? I can't, obviously this is a personal grievance, but it's No, but there, there's, there's

Chesko: like the same thing that really bugs, like it's always got under my skin is where it'll be someone that is like genuinely a fitness like [00:34:00] influencer mm-hmm.

That will then sit down and show that their skin folds and they'll be like, see I also look terrible when I said this is also what it looks like. I get it. I get what you're going through. There's some skin.

Regan: This is, I have skin too.

Chesko: Yeah. And that's, that's almost like, you know, that's just, you're not, that's not what it feels like when I sit down.

Well, like that is not what I'm seeing.

Regan: There was this one, I can't remember, well, why would I remember his name? I'm not a fan, but he was a fitness influencer who purposefully put on like. Something crazy, like 50, 60 pounds quick, like rapid fire and then rapid fire, you know, lost it. Mm-hmm. I was like, see, anybody can do it.

It's like you threw on weight that you got by, that your body was not like, supposed to have, not meant to have and wouldn't normally have. Like your body doesn't stay at that weight and then lost it and wanna act like anybody for any reason. Any reason

Chesko: this was for me that yeah, that was his whole thing.

Mm-hmm.

Regan: And then, and then, so he would, he, [00:35:00] God, he did that. So he did it like. Explaining the full story, right? Mm-hmm. But then he started doing it like motivational, like he'd show himself heavy and be, and like on TikTok it would have like, like

mm-hmm.

You know, emotional piano underneath. And people were like, oh my God, good for you guy.

Mm-hmm. Like, you did it. And not even acknowledging that he had done it just for his own business. They were all Yeah. He

Chesko: purposely did it, right? Yeah. Yeah. And

Regan: he's a trainer and I was like, oh, that's gross. Yucky. The,

Chesko: I was gonna say on the other side, I think the thing that annoys me though, people that have never been of size, I don't know how word we want to use for it.

Like, I, I, I call myself, I've been fat for most of my life, right? Uh, and they, I don't

Regan: think fat's a bad word unless you're meaning it to be a bad word. Right. And that's not bad. I

Chesko: have been, I would been what would be commonly referred to as fat in the, in the common, commonly referred in the, uh, in, in the, the, in the peasant's tongue, uh, would refer to that way.

Um, [00:36:00] and, uh, but then there was a, there was a 10 year gap in my life where I was, I was the most fit it'd ever been where I'd lost mm-hmm. A lot of weight. I was gonna the gym literally 12 times a week. You weren't

Regan: eating, weren't you passing out?

Chesko: Yeah, I, I was, it was, I was, I was not healthy. Right. But I was not like, yeah.

But it was, but I was like thin. Right. And my people treated me differently. Like it was, it was the best I've ever been treated. Like I got people going, shopping, people treated me nicer, even go to a restaurant. The servers were nicer to me. Like people, like for people in even interpersonally would, would were nice.

Would do you favors that wouldn't normally. And it's not even like, I don't think consciously people are doing it. It's just something that happens. And so I get mad when someone that is bigger loses weight and people get mad at them for losing weight. Mm-hmm. It's like you don't understand the, if you've never been bigger, you don't understand the pressure that goes into, and I'm saying this as a man, I can't.

Fathom what it's like being a bigger woman, right? And all that goes into that. [00:37:00] 'cause I already know how horrible or how much different my life was. And when I, when I lost that weight mm-hmm. For myself as a man where it's typically accepted and okay. To be bigger. Right. In our society. Uh, and so like I ne I, I get, I get all doubly annoyed when people get mad at someone that was like, that we used to be bigger and it got famous.

It was bigger and lost weight. Yeah. As if, as if that wasn't like something that they had been crying at night sometimes about because of all the mean, 'cause the mean comments still exist. Yes. It's beautiful that you were able to be, and I love that they were able to be like iconic. Yeah. And there's so many people we could talk, there's like hundreds of women you could refer to.

It's always women and never, if a man loses weight, it's never like he betrayed his following by losing weight. A hundred percent. Always like, good for him. Right. Great. You know, he is. But uh, specifically it's women that are always called out, like Lizzo, like, like lost it. And like, and I don't know if there's anything more to that story or anything, but like, but like she, uh, Megan Trainor when she lost weight mm-hmm.

Uh, like everyone was like, how like people got mad and I'm like,

Regan: [00:38:00] yeah. I, I think, I think in some cases. It could just be what you're like unwarranted. Mm-hmm. But then there's the other side where sometimes people will build a career off of. Yeah. But then they'll, it's not that they lose, just lose weight.

They lose weight and then they become like pretty fat phobic. Like, uh, there's a lot. And that's,

Chesko: and that's why I said I don't, I've a, I'm using those examples. It's just people I saw. Those are separate groups. Lost weight. No. Yeah. Yeah. I know what you're saying though. Yeah.

Regan: There's a lot of, um, like influencers that, and because I see the other side of that a lot mm-hmm.

Online, which is women being like, what the hell? Right. And they'll start like, yeah. They start using like fat phobic language as soon as they, and that's the problem promoting products that you're like, did. Mm-hmm. Was that what it was?

Yeah.

I just saw an Oh my God. And then we'll move on. But, uh, there was this girl, I, she looked like 20 and she's got a six pack.

Mm-hmm. And

she's, she's eating a carton of ice cream and like. Not that I have the best ice cream eating technique. Mm-hmm. But I don't feel like this girl [00:39:00] eats from the carton very often. 'cause like her mm-hmm. She's barely getting her spoon. And she's flinging, she's, I, she's probably 90 pounds soak and wet.

And she's eating and she's like, I've eaten a full half tub of this ice cream and it's 10:00 AM and I can eat whatever I want. And you're like, where's this going girl? Mm-hmm. Where is this going? And then she holds up these like supplements. She has an eight pack the supplement. Yeah. And then she starts talking and she's like, it reduces my cravings and, and uh, how much I eat.

And I'm like, wait. Mm-hmm. Girl, don't you just say you mm-hmm. Eat whatever you want and you can eat how much you want. And it's just like, there's such a toxic culture online of, of, uh, of losing weight. How you lose weight. And like, it's just crazy. And, and I have seen some influencers who, um, were a little bit bigger and then lose weight and then start to kind of promote.

Chesko: Right.

Regan: Stuff like that. And that's where you're like, okay, that's probably,

Chesko: and there was one last thing I'll say too, uh, just to, I wanna be clear. I'm not, 'cause I think it's [00:40:00] important, it's not about, I understand why someone might feel sad about someone who they felt was a bigger person that looked like them, that was famous and still being like iconic and amazing.

I, I get the sadness because it felt you were seen. Right. I, I understand that It's the anger at them for like the, like when, when I, like I said, because of the fact that if you've been in that position, you know the pressure that is there, especially when you have a spotlight put on you, you know, that is there.

And so I understand the sadness and even maybe even the betrayal feel aspect of it, but I don't understand the, like, the vitriol toward people that are not, that are not doing the things we're talking about, but they're simply existing in a smaller body. Right? Like I, Adele is another one. I think that that happened to a lot where I don't think she ever.

Said anything about, she never mentioned it and there was so much negative feedback about like her losing weight. Like how dare you, uh, do that? And like, I get that it, it [00:41:00] sucks like to not have someone that you, you connected with and felt like you had this representation there. But it's also like the pressure exists and it hurts.

Uh, and, uh, I don't, I don't, I try not to judge someone. For existing in a different body. You know, either way, whether it's someone that's gained weight or lost weight, uh, I think it's, it's their body and as long as they're not using that to, as a weapon against other people, uh, and pretending like, oh, look how easy it was for me.

But the reality is, if you're rich, once you reach a certain level of rich, you can hire personal trainer. You can hire, uh, you know, some cosmetic

Regan: surgery.

Chesko: Yeah, cosmetic surgery. You can afford lipo LP ones, right? Oh yeah, yeah. All that goes into that. Like there's, it's money can, can get you into a position and if you pretend like that didn't have anything to do with it, then that's, that's where I think where a problem comes in.

Yeah.

Regan: But

Chesko: anyhow, tangents, it's a bigger discussion. A lot of tangents, and I don't want to feel like I'm shaming anyone for feeling feelings, but, uh, but as, as a [00:42:00] person who has been bigger most of my life, I, I always, I, it does bug me when people get mad at people for losing weight. Yeah, sure. When the pressure is constantly on you, especially not like when you have a, a spotlight or, or a platform.

All right. Uh, let's go to number five. Gossiping. That's

Regan: not happy.

Chesko: This is, this does feel like, uh, this is a character written by a man who's never talked to women before.

Regan: Yes. Well, and like, I'm sorry, girls or women, um, or non cis men, probably.

Mm-hmm.

I just feel like gossiping looks different. I have heard men talk so much shit.

Men love to talk shit just as much as anybody else. They just don't do it in the same way.

Mm-hmm.

Like that's just a little, it just is framed a little differently. I always think that's interesting. 'cause I have some of the hottest, goss hottest tea I've ever heard.

Chesko: Mm-hmm. Has come

Regan: from men revealing information to me.

Yeah. I'm like,

Chesko: I love gossip. [00:43:00]

Regan: Yes. Yeah. I don't love

Chesko: sharing it at all. Like I never want to be the one to say it, but if anybody ever wants to be like, Hey, can I tell you something? I will be listening so hard. And they, I'm the perfect person to tell too. 'cause I'll forget it. I could be a sounding board for you and then the next day be like, you remember when we were talking about this?

And I'll be like, I promise I listened. Don't remember who it was, don't remember where we were. Um,

Regan: yeah, I also think, um, there's like a, a negativity associated with women, uh, women telling stories. Mm-hmm.

Like

there's so much stuff that's thrown up as gossip, which is us, like women just telling each other like.

Hey, look out for this guy. Or did you know that this guy is dating multiple people? It's like, stop gossiping. Mm-hmm. Stop saying what the men are doing. Stop it. We need to get, there's

Chesko: some amazing research out there that I haven't read enough of, but, uh, I read some of it that it talks about how gossiping, [00:44:00] uh, within various communities, um, are, is, is a really powerful, subversive tool to, uh, resist these hierarchal power structures in a ways that if you don't have the power to say things out loud, how you can still spread resistance and all these kind of different things too.

Mm-hmm. Like you said, but like to warn people about certain men that exist out there. So of course it makes sense why men would hate gossip, because don't do that. It acts, it acts as a tools to, to subvert their power. And even if they're con not consciously thinking that way, they do know. That gossip could harm them because people could share the horrible shit

Regan: mm-hmm.

Chesko: That they've done. Or if they've cheated on somebody or if they, how they were behind closed doors.

Regan: You know what's crazy? Uh, there, I, I don't know a ton about it, but I know something about it. Uh, there was the tea app for women, which women were sharing like things about men, like possibly to protect themselves.

Mm-hmm. And then

they made the tea app for men.

Mm-hmm. And

they had to, they, I don't know if it's gone forever, but it was at least gone for a little bit [00:45:00] because men started sharing, uh, inappropriate photos of their exes, of their girlfriends. There was a lot of nude photos that were going around. That's their gossip.

Chesko: Yeah. Like it's is revenge porn. God,

Regan: I'm not laughing. I didn't expect, I not laughing at revenge porn. I know.

Chesko: I didn't expect that to be like, yeah. I don't know. I was like listening like, oh, what were they sharing? Like ways, like ways to like. The No, of course they shut it down. Of course, that's what it was.

Regan: Because it's like, that was the, what they liked to chat about. Because the other thing is like how many, if, if the app is to like prevent mm-hmm. Threats, how many women are active threats in their community mm-hmm. At a grand scale.

Mm-hmm.

So what are, what are men talking about then, if not that statistically it's not as bad in their community as it is with women.

So it's like, what do they talk about? Oh, well, apparently it's nude [00:46:00] photos. Like, like sending them to whoever.

Chesko: Right.

Regan: And it was like they had to shut it down and that's why men can't gossip it. I, I

Chesko: just don't, I don't understand like why anybody would think that's okay. Like that's a whole nother, we could do a whole Yeah.

Once another episode on, so that, that's a road We don't necessarily go, but God damnit like every, I'm like, every once in a while I'm like, so you say something or I learn something that like.

Regan: Like son of a bitch,

Chesko: God, we're worse. We're we're worse than I thought. That's, uh, and it's not surpri and that's the problem is it's not surprising.

Yeah. It just caught me off guard. It's like, of course that's what they're fucking doing. Of course. That's they're god damnit. You ready for number four?

Regan: Yeah.

Chesko: God, it astrology.

Regan: Matt Rice, did you write this?

Chesko: I know, right.

Regan: Although that's so I cannot get over it. He had that special where he was ripping on girls for astrology and then he has like a whole segment on ghosts.

Yeah. Instead of a bitch. [00:47:00] Oh. So, so you know, signs aren't cool. Knowing your rising sign isn't cool. Yeah. But you can talk about fucking ghosts '

Chesko: cause Yeah. Or ask them about any of their good luck charms for sports. Yeah. Right. Or about anything. What are your rituals that you do before you play a game?

Mm-hmm. Before you do any sort of thing. Yeah. Uh,

Regan: uh don't get me wrong, like I. I take issue if someone solely does everything in their life based on that, you know, like mm-hmm. I think it can be, it can be harmful if, if that's the only input you take, like that's the only feedback you want, and you define your life by that without any other, any other factors.

But I think mostly it doesn't impact men that much. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Like if someone was super into astrology, like Right. I feel like maybe you wouldn't wanna have those conversations with them, but like, what, [00:48:00] what does it do to you? It's,

Chesko: it's such a weird thing to be so upset about, which, by the way, for anyone listening, I'm an Aquarius Sun and Moon and Virgo Rising.

Regan: I don't even know mine. I'm a Pisces.

Chesko: I only know those. I'm not, I'm not into astrology at all, but I, I, I got, I get, I love learning about when people, it's fascinating when someone's excited about something. Mm-hmm. I'm like, I get so excited about it. Yeah. I'll read it. I've had, yeah. I've had friends that are really into it and I'm like, yeah, same.

Tell me more. Can you, can, can you tell me about me based on, and like, and it, like, it might match up my not, it's not that I believe it, I just think it's fun. It's the same thing when tell people, tell me about anything that they're totally, or like, or like human design

Regan: where you have your number. Mm-hmm.

That stuff's fascinating too. I, I'm all for it. I, again, I think this is just a thing that. You know, misogynistic men like to hate on, like, oh, okay. Tell me more about how the Well, they hate it because how the sun women, the, that, like,

Chesko: it, that's what it is. It's a, it's a woman's Yeah. Thing. That's what they de decide.

They've decided that's a woman's thing. And so they [00:49:00] have to hate anything that is mainly associated with women. Not that there aren't men that obviously, uh, like it, but it's, it's, when you think of astrology, the association is that, that is a woman's hobby or a woman's belief system. Like for the, for a lot of guys.

Uh, and so I think of course they're gonna hate it. 'cause I didn't think they associate, and this goes for a lot of things on this list. I hate anything that is major that isn't normally associated with women.

Regan: It's just weird to hate it that much. Like Yeah.

Chesko: Oh, sometimes get so mad about it. I think

Regan: it's fascinating.

I, I don't live by it. I love to read it if I see it. Mm-hmm. Um, I think the comp compatibility stuff is really fun to see, like, which signs are compatible.

Mm-hmm.

But, uh, I, I am not like. Don't you dare talk about that. Mm-hmm. Like, I don't wanna know, I don't wanna know your horoscope. Okay. Like mm-hmm. What, why?

I'll,

Chesko: I'll get angry about it. When someone starts creating legislation based on, uh, a horoscope star. Yeah. My, my rising sign. Like, if, if they, if they end up saying, you don't get this [00:50:00] right. Mm-hmm. Because you were born during this star, like during this, this uhhuh formation of stars. Yeah. Then I'm gonna be like, all right, fuck this.

But if it's something that you personally, that just, it brings you comfort, it helps you feel more connected, it helps you make sense of the world. Beautiful. That's wonderful.

Regan: I mean, it's, it's, it's bold words coming from Manosphere men's, like the one, the men who literally lived their life, you know, based on fresh and fit and other Yeah.

Like who all have the design of these? It's like

Chesko: mm-hmm.

Regan: Okay. Yeah. Anyways. All right.

Chesko: Next up. We, we are now in the top three. Oh my God, I can't wait. Wait. Top three, we have clubbing.

Regan: What year is it?

Chesko: Uh, find me in the club. Yeah. This is always an interesting one. I, I've always brought up before about like that, that men cannot fathom also a club being anything more dancing.

Mm-hmm. Being anything more than [00:51:00] a place to look for a sexual partner.

Regan: A hundred percent. That's what they, they cannot

Chesko: understand it.

Regan: Back in the day when I would go clubbing before I was in gay clubs, which is much better. Uh, like you just have guys, strangers like bump up on you and dance on you like anywhere else that'd be a crime.

Mm-hmm. It's

so weird. So it's like, but it's like that's what they would go there for. They didn't enjoy dancing. Uh, the drinks were ungodly expensive, but like what? Women and my friends, and again, probably just not cis men, but

mm-hmm.

Seem to wanna do it, is dance. Like maybe meet a guy, but like really just enjoy the experience and like, you never had that energy coming from the guys.

Mm-hmm. Like, they were never like, yay, let's go. It was like, let's, let's find some women.

Chesko: I had, uh. In college. I used to be like, there was a group of my friends that were women that would take me clubbing with them. 'cause I'm a giant bodyguard. I'm six five. And it was literally, I would just be whoever's boy, whoever they needed me to be, their boyfriend, I was their boyfriend.

And they, they were like, Hey, can we buy you drinks and, and you can come be our, like our fake boyfriend. What a dream [00:52:00] it was them. And I would dance and it was fun. I would be dancing with them. Yeah. Right. I love that. And then when, when there was a guy that would like, and it was also like, I'm not gonna, like, it was, it was part, they were, they weren't like close friends.

They were just people I knew mm-hmm. That knew that I was a safe person. That they could Sure. They could like do, like not, and this is going sound gross, but like they could like pretend to be my boy, my girlfriend. Mm-hmm. And to get a guy away from them. Sure. And know that I wasn't expecting them to go sleep with them right afterwards.

Like they would grind up on me or like God, or like flirt with me and to make sure a guy would leave them alone because the guys wouldn't respect when they said no. Mm-hmm. They'd only respect, oh, a guy bigger than me that might actually be able to harm me. Yeah. Uh, is actually, that's his property, quote unquote in their eyes.

That's the only way it would always, and it would constantly work. So dark. It's so dark. But it worked constantly. And I was like, I was like, and so I was like, oh, cool, I get to go have fun, get some drinks, go dancing, and then, uh, and, and have fun with it. But it was, it's such a sad existence that that had to be there.

And the only reason I'm so aware of women wanting to go to a club and not [00:53:00] wanting to anything else is because I had friends that were women, which is why it's so important to have friends that are not just men. Also seeking out, you know, partners at, at the club. 'cause I was able to see very specifically behind the scenes, them explaining how they wanted me to react, what the signs were, because they just wanted to dance in a circle with each other.

That was all they wanted to do was go out, have some drinks and dance because it was fun.

Regan: And I've to be, I've gone clubbing with a lot of guy friends and it is so much fun. And then, yes, you do get. Hit on more, less often when they're, you're surrounded by men. But yeah, it's super weird how many and and scary, how many creepy dudes would just get on that would never even like, speak to you.

And on the other context, would try and touch on you, dance on you, um, hit on you. And it's just like you can feel the difference in energy between a guy who wants to dance, like, or mm-hmm. Or wants to engage with you and a guy who wants to get on you essentially. Mm-hmm. Like, I, I've had so many times people grab your butt, hit your [00:54:00] butt, whatever.

Mm-hmm. Like I re, I remember one time I was leaving a club and this was not even, this was like a very like nice area too. I mean, it was like. It was, it was like, I, I would've been comfortable walking, like walking to my car, wasn't worried or anything. Mm-hmm.

But I

like came down and there was this very creepy drunk man by the bathroom.

And it was like one, the, uh, the, uh, bathroom door swings open to go into the bathroom. He was standing by the men's bathroom holding a drink and he was like. Hey, you wanna gimme a hug? And I was like, no. No. Strange man who's wasted by the bathroom. No, I don't. And there was a, there was a, a bouncer close by, so I wasn't worried about it.

We were still technically inside the building and he just looks me up and now he goes, you are not even worth it. And then immediately takes a step back and falls into the bathroom. [00:55:00]

Chesko: Mm-hmm.

Regan: And I was like, good day sir.

Chesko: Right. Karma or immediate karma served

Regan: to karma. I'm like, I'm like, and this is why, and this is why I don't need to be in these locations very often.

Mm-hmm. But it was just like, yeah, it's, uh, there's something about the club that gives. It gives men, i i, that are creepy, like mm-hmm. Either I, like, they're bolder. It, it emboldens them. Mm-hmm. It gives them more confidence. I don't know if it's 'cause it's darker. Mm-hmm. There's more alcohol and there's dancing.

Mm-hmm. So there's assumed contact, I guess. But yeah. So, and then it's, it's always the men who would do that mm-hmm. That then don't want the women they're with to go there. Right. Because they're like, I would do it.

Chesko: Right.

Regan: I don't trust you.

Chesko: You know, do you know what's going on? Yeah.

Regan: Yeah. Exactly. But it's,

Chesko: it's also why you have so many women that do end up going to gay clubs because they feel like that's not, although this is, I'm going on a little tangent here again, fucking Scott.

Scott Galloway gave advice with his full [00:56:00] chest on this interview he had where he was like, this is why, the advice I always tell straight men is to, uh, get a gay friend and go to gay clubs and is that why

Regan: they're there?

Chesko: That, and he was like, and this is where you can find the most women, 'cause they Oh my God.

And I was like, I was like, oh my. What the fuck are you doing? Like, that's a, youre asshole. That is so

Regan: inappropriate.

Chesko: It's so problematic to pick up

Regan: women at a gay club, right? As a straight man. To be looking for a straight woman to go

Chesko: there purposely specifically for that purpose.

Regan: I remember I, so number one, that pisses me off.

And it is a huge problem in gay clubs. Huge. I mean, I did a full episode on f the Nice guy. Um, there was a, a woman, a lesbian at Cubby Hole, is that what it's called? It was a, it's a famous New York bar and this guy was these, uh, single or these straight guys were there and like started a whole fucking thing.

And like they got into a fight and like. Uh, because like [00:57:00] a, a straight girl brought like four friends and he was like trying to get with, uh, lesbian, like lesbian women. Mm-hmm. Like, and they were being clear that they were gay, just like nightmare fuel. And like there's, there's a huge, uh, problem with that straight men hitting on lesbians or, or don't women who don't like men.

Right, right. And, and like I remember I was at, um, there's a bunch of gay bars in a certain area by me. Mm-hmm. And I was at one that was like closer to, it gets straighter, which is kind of weird, but like mm-hmm. There, the bars start to get like a little more mm-hmm. Mixed. And I was at what I thought was a gay bar.

Mm-hmm.

And I was dancing and this guy came outta nowhere and started grinding on me. And I was like, wow. It's like, it's like a shock to your system when you think you're in a safe space, where like you're not gonna have a stranger, you don't know, force their body onto yours.

Mm-hmm.

And like, it, it's so disheartening and upsetting mm-hmm.

When you feel safe. Like I was, I think I was fully [00:58:00] out at that point, so I really was like not about mm-hmm. That at all. And like to have men going in there because like, you're going into a space that is deemed for gay, like gay women or, or women who like, right. Um, you could, there could be maybe some bi people in there, I guess, or, or, you know, across the spectrum somewhere.

But the odds that in general though, you're gonna find a straight woman mm-hmm. Is way less, it's, the odds are much greater. You're gonna find a, a queer woman. Mm-hmm. And so you're, you're willing to make. 90% of women uncomfortable and like literally put yourself on them and force 'em into a situation. Like be the intruder in a safe space.

Mm-hmm. And the odds that maybe you could get a woman.

Chesko: Right. And there's a difference between, uh, and maybe I'm, it's, I'm only saying this because it applies to me, but like I had, I, I had a lot of gay friends who would take you to gay clubs, right? Sure. And I would go there specific, and they used to, they, this is gay men can [00:59:00] sometimes be very toxic in this regard too.

But I would always, very specifically, if a woman came up to me to dance with me, I'd be like, I'm, I was always, I'd admire, I was like, I'm straight, just so you know. I was like, because I didn't want them thinking, oh, they're coming up to dance with a gay man. Right? Sure. And so, and, and like, like the guys that I was friends with would be like, they'd be like, she just, just have fun.

I'm like, no, no, no. I was always very much adamant about like marking myself as like, just so you know, I don't want to cross any boundaries here. Right. That if we're gonna dance, but I was going there because my friends were gay. Sure. And that where they were, they felt comfortable going there. Sure. And I wanted to hang out with them.

You weren't a hunter though. You weren't there. I wasn't going there as a, and that's, and that's the difference. So it just made me a, it really when I, the fact that I heard him say that when gay people have been openly talking about the, like this to stop doing this. Right. Stop taking over our spaces for, for as long as I've been an adult.

Yeah. Right. To the point where even when I was in college going with friends, I was always, I was like I said, walking on eggshells. 'cause I was like, [01:00:00] I want, I don't want, I don't want it to feel like I am. Invading a space where I'm not supposed to be in. Right. I don't want it to feel like I am. Uh, and Mo and like I said, you can, I think in general, people can tell the difference between someone that's there with their friends versus, uh, there to be a predator.

Regan: It's again, it's like invading a space that doesn't belong to you and not caring about the people that you're gonna negatively impact, like mm-hmm. Like a safe space for a group who feels isolated and wants to feel protected. So they have created a safe space for themselves. I'm gonna evade that.

Mm-hmm.

Um, those guys usually aren't the ones who are respectful in said space.

Right.

Those are the ones usually that get handsy. Mm-hmm. Trying to get on people drink too much, like are disrespectful a lot of times. Like, you know, you have like drag performances for example, and like, they'll be disrespectful to the drag queens and stuff like that.

It's just Right. It's, it's. It's all about like what your intention in this space is and like mm-hmm. Giving that advice is insane. Like, what? Go to [01:01:00] any club ever, any other club, like why would you go there specifically?

Chesko: Yeah. And to say, I

Regan: give that advice to ev, like, that's sick that he said it

Chesko: specifically.

It's not like off the cuff. He was like, one, one piece of advice I give to men all the time and I'm like,

Regan: Ew.

Chesko: All right. Let's finish this list. Number two, social media.

Regan: What does that mean? What does that mean? CHASCo?

Chesko: I, this is, I think we're getting into like more, the more toxic aspects of, of why like it's, I think they don't like the fact that once they're together, that they have a public presence at all.

Access to the outside world. It's mine. Yeah. I mean, like the video we talked about before about the guy do, I don't know if we talked about this video in a pre-show or if it was like, we actually, but the guy that didn't want his wife wearing a thong bikini, uh, after it was like, no, no, that's, you wear that at home even though that's what you wore.

Yes. When we like, that was what you were comfortable wearing. That was where, but it's, it's this idea that, that if they have any sort of presence online mm-hmm. [01:02:00] They, once they get with you, the only reason they had that was because they were wanted to find you.

Regan: Mm-hmm.

Chesko: And now if they're interested in social media, that means they don't wanna be with you anymore.

Regan: It's also, these dudes are lurkers on social media. Like the way that they do social media is not in the same way that a lot of women do. Like, when you look at, like, I would, again, I would say anybody, like, besides a straight men really, uh, but like, you know, they post pictures of themselves. They, you know, they are, are if forward facing, they like to show their life.

And a lot of men are online just as much as women. Mm-hmm. But they aren't posting like selfies as much or they aren't, like, they aren't actively participating. They're more in the common section or they're more on red. Like, but if you look at, in my experience, and from what I've seen, like. Across the gender spectrum.

You see people online relatively like the, the same to me, like, but I just don't see [01:03:00] the way men participate a little bit differently and like, damn, they, they really do not like for women to participate. Like they don't. Mm-hmm. They like want, they don't want women to put out photos. Like they don't want women to be seen Really.

And it's just so bizarre. Mm-hmm. And like, again, like a lot of what they get mad at is other men's behavior. Mm-hmm. Like if a woman just posted a photo of herself, it'd be one thing, but it's men hitting on

Chesko: Right. Her

Regan: and then that's her fault.

Chesko: It's projecting. You're right though. 'cause then, then they, if you look at who the, the photos that they were liking.

Yes. You know? Mm-hmm. A hundred

Regan: percent. If women could say to a man, like, okay, I'll get off social media, but I need you to show me the last a hundred photos you liked.

Chesko: Mm-hmm. He'd be like, no, you're fine. You

Regan: know what,

Chesko: you know what? He knew you babe. I was overreacting.

Regan: Yeah,

Chesko: that's fine.

Regan: Proof to me, you're not on OnlyFans.

Uh, giving money to random women.

Chesko: I do. Uh, I do think that's been the, uh, social media focus of that for a second is the, [01:04:00] there's so many, it, it's a different, it, we're all having the same experience in the surface, but behind the scenes it's a different experience for everybody. Like, I'll see videos talking about like, uh, oh, it's a clear sign of flirting if you like someone's story or, and something I was like, that freaked me out.

I was like, I like stories all the time. Oh my

Regan: gosh,

Chesko: what's going on? Wait, I, you kind of crossed into, it's a perfect transition to the number one, uh, least attractive hobby for women according to men is OnlyFans, I told

Regan: you.

Chesko: Mm-hmm. I told you there were, there are. I think it was what, there's 1.4 million OnlyFans accounts and 170 million active users of OnlyFans, and they are so angry.

At the people that they are throwing a lot of money to the tour.

Regan: Take my money. I hate you.

Chesko: They, I also think [01:05:00] that number, they always say 1.4 million women. I don't, I think it's 1.4 million accounts creators. There's a lot of the creators, there's a lot of men on, yeah. On there. At least I, I guess we're talking gender.

Regan: There are a lot of, uh, gender queer people. Trans people. Mm-hmm. There's all across the board creators. It's not,

Chesko: I think they assume it 'cause they only are on there to consume it. Yeah. To, to consume women. But, uh, content from women that's, uh, crazy

Regan: because again, it's like one, I doubt you're with an OnlyFans girl.

Right. Like, I doubt it. Like there are plenty of OnlyFans creators who have partners. Mm-hmm. They both know about it. Mm-hmm. Because it's a career for a lot of people. So you definitely know what your partner's career is like. There would be signs, there'd be ring lights, you know, whatever. Right, right. Um, but again, it's the gold digger thing where it's like you don't have any gold.

Don't be worried about who's digging it. You're not with an OnlyFans girl. Why do you care about OnlyFans women?

Chesko: They're all, it's, [01:06:00] it's openly, I would never ever date one, but if one of the women they were subscribed to, oh my God, we at their house them and genuinely be like, Hey, I, I like your profile. I don't know how it works.

I like, I I don't either actually. I, yeah, I, I like your profile picture on, I dunno if you have your own thing as a thing, uh, do you want, do you wanna go on a date? They'd be like, yes. Yes. Yeah. In a second they would be. 'cause it's, it's, it's this whole, I hate it knowing that I will never have the opportunity to date.

Regan: That's exactly it. I hate that I don't have access to it. Mm-hmm. So much of it is that like, I hate from outside the club, you know, because the truth is you're not getting in.

Chesko: You know, I would never go to a club like that. I'd never wanna sit at a table and have bottle service at a club Green. I, I

Regan: don't even care.

I don't even care. Care all

Chesko: that. I don't even care about that.

Regan: I don't even like women. I'm gonna go game,

but not

with women. And that's it. You know what, you know what? Now that I'm thinking of it, CHASCo, men get [01:07:00] really upset when women are better at gaming with them. So maybe they've had a couple bad experiences, like I mentioned, where they're gaming and a girl and they're like, oh, girls who game?

I hate it. I hate what women emasculate me when I'm playing Halo. Like, right. I don't know if that's popular anymore. Uh, I'm trying like, what's up? What's a boy game? Like, I think that's it. It's like, it's just like this fictional thi like, Ima, it's so imaginary. Like the things that I, well now it's imaginary, I guess for me too, to be fair.

Mm-hmm. But when I dated men, the things that I didn't like. Were tangible, practical things I had experienced and did not like. Mm-hmm. Right. That, that impacted me negatively.

Mm-hmm.

But half the time with these guys that are like this mm-hmm. Like misogynistic men, it's like made up shit that they've never experienced, will never experience.

Yeah.

Chesko: I heard one of one of these guys saying like, it feels like a, and the, it was a group of guys talking. Of course. Great. It was like, it feels like every single girl has an OnlyFans nowadays. I was like, well, when [01:08:00] you're only hitting on OnlyFans models

Regan: in the, literally in the app or on the platform.

Literally. Yeah. Yeah.

Chesko: Like they, it was like, man, all these OnlyFans models I'm hitting on on OnlyFans

Regan: or on OnlyFans, they all have

Chesko: OnlyFans. It's very weird. Don't get it. I

Regan: don't, I don't know that many people that are, I know a lot of create, well, I guess they could have privately and not just not tell me.

But, but

Chesko: yeah. But even, yeah, you're

Regan: right though. Not that many.

Chesko: There are, I would say probably percentage wise, there's more content creators that are only fans models than the general population. Sure. But even then, I only know a, a few, like, there's not, it's most and good for them. We love that for them.

No, great. I, so I have a friend who's making amazing money to the point where I was like, is there a, an audience? Is there

market?

Like when he, when, uh, it's a guy too, when he told me the amount of money that, uh, that he makes, it's a, I don't wanna say their name, I don't know how open they are about, uh, it, it, um, online. Uh, but, uh, I was like, [01:09:00] like, it is, it is absurd. Sweet.

Regan: Jesus. Yeah.

Chesko: Anyw. But anyhow, the point, the point is, uh, it's also I think, stupid that calling this a, it's a job.

Is like, it's like, I don't know. Do, do people do OnlyFans as a side hobby for fun? I guess maybe some people might. No, but that's not what they're referring to. They're referring to people that do it for money. Yeah. Uh, which is, yeah. It, it's such a, can I, I guess this goes, go ahead. Can I

Regan: tell you something funny?

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: I, too was once, like, what could I do? And then I, I mm-hmm. I, this is me not understanding people.

Mm-hmm.

Especially like certain people. Mm-hmm. And I was like, someone I, I was like, Ooh, I could do like a SMR because I had heard there's ASMR people on only, and I was like, oh. I told, I was like, told my wife, I was like, that would be that.

'cause I'm always trying, I love a hustle. I was like, this is right when it was, it was getting really popular. I was like, Ooh, maybe I could do that. And she just like looked at me and she was like, um, [01:10:00] you do understand that it's sexual, right? That like the, the as SMR is like them saying sexy things. And I was like.

Chesko: No

Regan: it's not.

Chesko: It wouldn't just be me playing with like slime or that's what I thought it was.

Regan: I was like, no. And like I have trouble saying any sexual words, Uhhuh. There's exceptions, but like in a conversation. So that is the least me thing. Uh, I like listened to one like online. 'cause I was like, I don't think that's a thing.

And I was like, oh my god, Jesus Christ.

Chesko: Okay, I guess that's out. I

Regan: couldn't believe what was being whispered to me online. But that I, that was one of the most eyeopening of like, I don't think it's a space for me. I don't think I'm meant to be there.

Chesko: That was, that was the, the conversation I was having with this person.

Like, 'cause I'm, I'm gonna keep this more, uh, was, uh, the, and it was, it was shocking to me. 'cause it was a guy, I, I assumed men must make way less [01:11:00] online. Oh, I don't know that, I don't know that that's

Regan: true.

Chesko: I, no, that that's, it was not true, at least in this instance. Um, and so, uh, I was like, because the conversation was how much would it take?

And I was like, I a would've to be an absurd amount. Like what do you make? And, and, and I was like, go on the number.

Regan: I'm dropping my drawer. Let's cut. I couldn't

Chesko: do it. Like, I, I have, I am, yeah. I'm not a prudish version. Uh, but, uh, I think the fact that I'm of a, i I don't wanna ever leave my job teaching is what I think where that, that barrier for me.

Regan: Well, people do get busted. There was a teacher I think that got, had a.

Had like an o, I can't remember, had something, an OnlyFans. It's like she, when she wasn't working or something, it was like something weird, like the panda during the pandemic. Mm-hmm. Pandemic. Pandemic. The, that damn pandemic. Pandemic. But like, and then they took her job like later and she didn't even post crazy stuff.

It was, and I was like, fuck. So yeah, you [01:12:00] have to be careful with this,

Chesko: but if you're making good enough money, good for you. I respect the hustle. I don't have the

Regan: ability, but I respect the hustle. Yeah. I

Chesko: absolutely, I wish I had the, uh, the, because I, I have, I do have other friends that do it, and they just don't go with fuck.

They're like, whatever. It's like, I, I make a lot of money.

Regan: My friend, well my friend did it for a while and she was so smart. She's like a boss business lady. I don't have that either. I don't have that skill. Yeah. Uh, but she, like, she was so smart. I, I, I don't know how it totally works, but like mm-hmm. She would like message something.

And then it would be like, uh, you have to pay $3 to, to get the next part of the message or to like, have the better. And so she would just rope these dudes in. She'd be like, oh, I can't wait to show you my, and they'd be like, BLE,

you have to

pay three. And they'd be like, and just like crazy. But I think I told you this before, but she ended up stopping because, um, of weird shit, like she got mm-hmm.

She started getting like, uh, friends of hers that had girlfriends. Mm-hmm. Like people she knew from [01:13:00] work, like really weird where she could see who they were, so, right. Yeah. That's it.

Chesko: All right. Well those were the top 10, uh, least attractive hobbies for women according to men.

Regan: I think it's according to misogyny to be clear.

Chesko: That's that's fair. Yeah.

Regan: Because some of those are so, like, social media is a hobby. Gimme a break. Yeah. Well, friends, thank you so much for listening. Mm-hmm. To today's episode. As you know, we have a Patreon. Make sure to check that out. That helps keep this podcast going.

Chesko: If you stuck around this week, we did a lot of trauma dumping this week on, uh, on, there's old school Patreon pre-show.

Regan: Oops. Uh, so check that out. Uh, make sure to check out our social media and because, because that's, uh, our favorite hobbies. Yeah.

Chesko: It's our favorite hobby.

Regan: It's our favorite hobby. Second

Chesko: favorite hobby.

Regan: What's our first favorite hobby?

Chesko: No, I meant on the list. It was, that came off. I was

Regan: like, wait, where? We, it's our first hobby

Chesko: podcasting.

It's [01:14:00] our favorite hobby. Oh, leave it. But I mean, podcasting

Regan: only fans. What? Not me.

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: Anyways, thanks for listening and we will see you next week. Bye.

Chesko: Bye. Love you. I can't

Regan: stand you.