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Speaker: [00:00:00] Hello everyone and welcome to the Mr Pick, me and the Man Hater Podcast. I am Reagan, AKA, the man hater, even though I don't hate men. And this is

Speaker 2: Jessica, a, k, a, Mr. Pick me who's already been picked and I just wanna say Reagan. Thank you for being a friend.

Speaker: Why do you only do visual pranks? I need everyone to know. Right now I'm looking at B Arthur as a finger puppet. I don't know the, the grandma's name. Estelle. I

Speaker 2: think it's Estelle.

Speaker: Estelle

Speaker 2: is blanch.

Speaker: There's Blanche.

Speaker 2: And here's Rose.

Speaker: And there's Rose, my cutie little patootie, Betty White, RIP.

Speaker 2: These are our co-hosts for the day.

Speaker: Last week you did a prank that no one could hear because the zoom call filtered it out.

Speaker 2: That was so upsetting, watching how stupid I looked,

Speaker: and now you've done another visual prank that no one can see. I,

Speaker 2: I [00:01:00] bought four, like different audio, little thingies like toys and realizing I can't use them for anything.

Now

Speaker: you have to just put them directly on the mic.

Speaker 2: I don't know. I did a lot.

Speaker: I, I honestly thought we had this one. I really felt like we were gonna make it through, and then

Speaker 2: I said the words.

Speaker: Golden Girls Finger puppets came in frame. They're

Speaker 2: great. Aren't these great though? They're very cute. I love them.

Although that does not look like Betty White.

Speaker: Yeah, that looks like, like a, someone who's been joker fi. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Like when they mess with their face.

Speaker 2: Estelle's pretty good.

Speaker: Estelle. That does look like her. Again, we're describing things they cannot see.

Speaker 2: Yes. Great audio podcast.

If you'd

Speaker: like to see the puppets go to the YouTube version of the show. We'll move past it. Now, speaking of random things, today's episode is going to be random videos, articles, things we've heard about that we wanna talk about. It's gonna be whatever we've just, we've come across the past couple weeks 'cause we have lots of thoughts on lots of things, right?

Jessica? Yes. We

Speaker 2: have a grab [00:02:00] bag of things to a MA Virtual smorgasbord.

Speaker: Smog board,

Speaker 2: SM board. I don't think I'm gonna like the smorgasbord. Turns out I did love the smokers. Boy,

Speaker 3: the hunger. You want bad advice, man. I'll give it out. Glad I got some good advice for you. You don't.

Speaker 2: I know you don't. I got some good advice for you.

No, you don't.

This is gonna be a wreck. I'm moving to a new house this week. Audience and, uh, Reagan's life is just a mess. And so it's,

so the combination of those two things is, uh,

Speaker: let me tell you. That's

Speaker 2: great.

Speaker: I was gonna talk about this on the pre-show and I forgot I have a migraine right now. I had a migraine all of yesterday. Uh, somehow. I have a Kia Telluride, [00:03:00] which it's supposed to be impossible to lock your keys in the car. Okay. I get up to take my daughter to a field trip, which means I have to be there by a certain time in order to get catch the bus.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Okay. I go out there somehow my keys are locked in my car. Our best guess the night before. My wife had her keys in her hand, and then my daughter was messing with them, and then they dropped and slammed and hit the ground.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: We think somehow it locked that way. So I can't get to anything. I can't get to my keys, I can't to get to my purse.

I can't get, like, I had a, a medical document that I had to get filled out at a doctor's appointment that day for her to get into school that I had put in my pers so I couldn't forget it. It is now locked also in the car, so I have to get in this car. It's, uh, it's way before like any of the businesses are open.

I'm making like, no, I lied. My wife made these calls because I was having a full speed come apart. I finally, my mom helps me [00:04:00] get my daughter to school. Luckily we had an extra car seat. Uh, and then like I am so. My migraine is so bad. Mm-hmm. That like, I generally think the guy was worried for me when he came to unlock the car because he was asking me questions about the car.

What he was asking was, is there a handle on the inside that he can like mm-hmm. Jimmy to open it. Right. I didn't understand a word of that. And I just go stare at him blankly. And he goes, uh, is this a new car? And I was like, no. Can you say that again? I have no idea what you just said. He was like, yikes.

Uh, it ended up being won, I guess. CHASCo what? My bill was

Speaker 2: $1 million.

Speaker: $326. Oh, yep. Just to open the card. Yes. Ah, yes, because I, because we, so I, I'm already stressed. I can't see, I can't, everything's, my brain is starting to like compress, everything's terrible. And then he is like, that'll be $326. [00:05:00] Oof. Well, hopefully the insurance is both to reimburse.

Hopefully, but it wasn't a good day.

Speaker 2: No,

Speaker: wasn't a good day for me.

Speaker 2: I just a car related, uh, thing to make you feel less dumb. Uh, thank you. I also, oh, should I

Speaker: feel dumb?

Speaker 2: No, you've said, you implied that. Did I, I feel like you did. Maybe I was thinking if I did something that silly, then I would feel that way.

Speaker: I love that you changed dumb to silly real quick.

Speaker 2: I know I don't like saying the word dumb and I, I apologize. I think it's, uh, it's, it's mean. I'm just getting bullied

Speaker: on my own podcast. I know.

Speaker 2: Okay. So I, uh, change to subject, but I would, the whole point was me sharing a Okay, go, go, go. A similar silly story about my car. So my car yells at you when you have the, because it has the, the remote.

Thing. Mm-hmm. Where you don't like, I, and so like when I get outta the car, uh, if it's on or whatever, it goes like, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Um, and I somehow, I still just walked [00:06:00] away from it, like,

Speaker: what's wrong with my car? And it

Speaker 2: left my car running in the driveway for like four hours. Went outside for something completely unrelated.

I was like, is my car on?

Speaker 6: Uh, when, when he, uh, when he

Speaker: mind you, okay. Like I said, I had a migraine, right? So every, every noise, every light, everything's horrible. He unlocks it immediately. The car alarm starts going off, of

Speaker 7: course,

Speaker: the loudest, and he just jumps outta the car, walks away. It's like, ah. So I'm just like, my migraine is like I'm dying.

I'm just trying to find my key fob to turn the shit off. Twitching in the Yes. Yeah. Like, ah, like I, yeah, I felt like, uh, Raiders of the lost arc, like when they open it and they're just getting their ma their face melted off. Mm-hmm. That's how I felt with this car alarm.

Speaker 6: Wow.

Speaker: But I did find it. But he, I mean, the, the speed with which this guy, he was young.

He looked like 16. He, I mean, he, I don't know how old he was, but he [00:07:00] jumped outta that car, was like, good luck. And then he gave me a huge bill. And then, and then he's like, uh, he goes, Hey, by the way, like they employ me, like, uh, as a, like they, they, uh, what do they call that when they. He's like a contractor for them.

Contractor? Yeah. Mm-hmm. And he is like, next time, here's my card. I'll do it for $80. I was like, okay. Okay. Well, could have used that before.

Speaker 2: Yeah,

Speaker: but I will take your card for next time if it happens again. Oh, God. Anywho. So I am, my life is a mess. To be fair. I can't see very well right now. I'm still,

Speaker 2: and that's why people follow us and listen to us.

Speaker: Our lives

Speaker 2: are a mess to feel better about their own lives.

Speaker: You know what? Maybe, maybe some can't get much worse than yesterday I was in the depths of hell and I had to go to a doctor's office with my child with a full migraine, and I was like, I, I can't, I'm dying.

Speaker 2: How many times have you locked your key in your car, in your life?[00:08:00]

Speaker: Not that many.

Speaker 2: I've done so many. I have triple I, like I, I ended up getting AAA when I was younger. Mm-hmm. Because of the amount of times that I would just leave my car in there and like my old car was just like, and I had a car at one point that after like. Five minutes, the door's locked itself.

Speaker: Oh, that's nice.

Speaker 2: And so that's what screwed Well, it screwed me up several times because I would just turn off the car. I don't know what it is with me and keys though. I'm much better now. Mm-hmm. Like the second I get outta the car, I'm like, keys, wallet, phone. Okay. Headphones.

Speaker: Oh God. Yeah.

Speaker 2: Anyhow, anyhow. Yeah.

Speaker: Okay. What do we wanna start with?

What do we wanna start with? So I've been seeing a lot of like plain etiquette. Things

Speaker 2: playing it. Okay.

Speaker: Like, did you see the one where the young man, um, he looked like in his twenties maybe?

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: He bought a $300 seat. And basically this mom was just like, [00:09:00] uh oh. Like, sorry, we sat your kid in. We sat our child in your seat.

And like didn't ask him, was incredibly rude to him. And he was like, I don't care about, I don't care. I don't care about your kid. I don't care about any of that. Because it was like. Yeah. I like, I am obviously all about kids. I have one. Mm-hmm. And I'm about having patience and kindness for with kids on plane rides, like mm-hmm.

I, I'm all about it. I don't think you should think that you have the right to take someone's $300 seat.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker: Just 'cause

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker: And not ask, but it's not

Speaker 2: like, sorry. Oh, nothing we could do about it. You're sitting down in a plane, you have plenty of things can do about it.

Speaker: And they were, so, yeah, it, uh,

Speaker 7: hold on.

Did

Speaker 2: it,

Speaker: his quote was, his quote is, I don't care about your daughter, your child, none of that. I pay for this seat. I don't care about none of that. And he's like, just pack this up. And I'm like, honestly. More power to this guy.

Speaker 2: Yeah. I think apparently they're rude,

Speaker: but there's

Speaker 2: a [00:10:00] di there's a difference between, uh, like a situation where something happened and Sure.

They versus like you, you being like using your child to try to take advantage of a situation, which I feel like that's what it sounds like, right? That kind of situation. I

Speaker: agree. Uh. So that got me on like plane.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Plane talk, I don't know. And so there's this woman who is eating tuna. Mm. On a plane.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: And her caption is they ate fast food at gate 14, but have the audacity to judge your protein on the plane eat, period, the period tuna pack the protein, ignore the looks, prioritize health, even mid-flight, just. Off of that. How do you feel about that attitude? I,

Speaker 2: I think too many people do not give a fuck about anybody around them or about how their actions have on the [00:11:00] people around them.

With so many situations like this, I am constantly, and my, to be fair, I'm the extreme the opposite way to a point where I have myself where same like, yeah, yeah. Where I'm. So worried about what I am, something I'm doing is going to make somebody else's life worse. Mm-hmm. This is the, and so I, I think that's why it annoys me so much more because of how much time I spend thinking about Yeah.

The comfort of others around me, especially confined place like an airplane.

Speaker: Yeah. I, that was, okay. So I have additional detail I will give you in a minute, but just right off the bat. The attitude mm-hmm. From this person, because one, it's not even just that she does not give a shit about how other people experience the plant.

You're in a tiny container where the air re filters itself, like

Speaker 4: mm-hmm.

Speaker: And you are bringing the stinkiest of foods, like I think if you pulled people at large

Speaker 4: mm-hmm.

Speaker: Like, like fish, [00:12:00] fish from a can would be at mm-hmm. Near the top, right? Mm-hmm. Of stinky smells one could eat.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. But

Speaker: it's also. The, the caption, they ate fast food at gate 14, but have the audacity to judge your protein, like the entitled judgment of like, mm-hmm.

Ooh, they're, they're just yucky. People who eat fast food, they're poor. They're, they're poor. Fast food eaters. Gross. Ew. Like, why? One, why are you hating on people? But two, why are you assuming that everybody who hates the smell of tuna is eating fast food? Like where, where did you get that? Like, it's like health versus non-health.

Hey, uh, T is stinky. Mm-hmm. Period on a flight.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. There

Speaker: could be the healthiest person alive. They might not wanna be sitting next to someone eating tune out of a can. I have worked with, I think I've discussed this before, a bodybuilder. Who he, he, we were actors, but that's, he also did that. And this man would eat tuna out of a can and breathe all, and I [00:13:00] was like, I wanna scream.

Did I scream? No. Did I even mention it? No,

Speaker 2: no, but it, yeah, it's the same reason why I would, before I head to an airport, I always apply some fresh deodorant. Right? I, I don't wanna Right. If you're in an enclosed tube with Yeah, with, with people. If you're in a people tube, uh, then, then I think it, it's, it's common decency to, uh, to at least consider.

Yes. Sometimes there's something beyond your control. Yeah, sure. You know, sometimes there are things that you just can't do. When I was traveling with my, with my baby and he pooped all over your shirt, I'm, but I also felt bad about it. Right, right. You were like,

Speaker: screw you, burger King, all of

Speaker 2: you people.

Yeah. You were you. Yeah. I wanna see what your poop looks like. When you're sitting on an airplane. Right. I felt bad that I was covered in shit, and the airplane now smelled like shit as a result of it. Now if, if people are being mean to me about it, fuck them. Like I, yeah, right. Sure. Purposefully doing that.

[00:14:00] But I think it's, it's the whole, the idea I think we've lost It does feel like the culture Yeah. It a, a semblance of Yeah. And I'm the last person that's like, like you have to act a certain way, do a certain thing. Sure. But like I, I think at least be cognizant. Yeah. And do your best to consider the fact that you're, the world does not revolve around you.

Speaker: I think it's also the fuck you attitude of it all. Mm-hmm. Like, it's very aggressive. Like you're judge, you're saying that anybody who has a problem just eats fast food. Mm-hmm. And like. You could eat your snack and still understand like, oh, this probably doesn't smell great. Mm-hmm. Um, maybe understand there could, maybe there's a different snack or at least have an awareness, but this is like, oh, I know my stuff smells bad.

Mm-hmm. I don't even care. Okay. But Checo,

Speaker 7: yeah.

Speaker: Like my thought was like, oh my God, she's probably, people hate her on flights. Mm-hmm. Like she's, you know, uh, I'd hate to be the flight attendant with this chick.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: That would be. A false [00:15:00] assumption. Okay. Okay. 'cause listen to what she says. Pack the protein, ignore the looks, prioritize health, even mid-flight.

So she's saying, I will open this tuna on the middle of flight because fueling my body with real food doesn't stop at the jet bridge. I'm the flight attendant. Unapologetically eating tuna in the back galley. Not because I love the smell, but because I love my health more. So she even what? She's the fricking flight attendant.

So she's putting everybody at the flight has, everybody that's flying with her is dealing with this tuna smell, but also she thinks it smells bad.

Speaker 2: Yeah, she's very, yeah. So it's not even like an innocent like, mm-hmm. Oh God, I didn't even think about this. I'm so sorry. She's like. It's, you're going in there with enough also.

Like, and, and I don't, I don't know enough about, uh, flight attendants to know how, when they have time to eat, uh, and things like that. But, uh, like I, I know, like if I, I've been on long unless I'm on like a cross country flight, right. It's a [00:16:00] you most lets are two to four hours. Mm-hmm. Right? I can go two to four hours without, it's not like that protein is like, unless I have a specific medical condition, that's not what we're talking about, right?

Mm-hmm. If I can go two to four hours and ha, if I know the thing I really want and for my body mm-hmm. Is going to ruin the experience of two to four hours of everyone else, then I can wait a couple hours to eat that thing. Just

Speaker: eat something else. Yeah. There's so many other food options. Mm-hmm. There's so many other ways to get protein.

Okay. But she continues traveling. Doesn't mean ditching your standards, it's actually where they matter the most. My job takes me across time zones, but I still make space for clean eating, real ingredients and protein that fuels not just fills. So yes, I brought the tuna and if it makes someone wrinkle their nose, I'll be over here hitting my goals when they hit the fast food line.

Ah, your body deserves better even at 30,000 feet. Hashtag cleaning the clouds. Hashtag flight attendant fuel. Hashtag to no with confidence. Hashtag [00:17:00] prioritize health. Hashtag protein packer. What is with this like piss poor attitude towards other people? The disdain, like, why does she think everyone who's anti on a plane eats fast food?

Like, whatcha talking about? You're making this an issue of health versus like health and wellness versus like what? Uh, fast food consumption rather than like stinky, smelly tuna.

Speaker 2: My one thing I'll say in defense of her, oh my God, it's gonna be shocking. Is that man, if I was a flight attendant and had to deal with people like I see on planes all day, I'd also probably be doing things to fuck them over.

Speaker: Well, that's if, if her disdain was like, you, no, I know you fuckers pinch me in the arm. Like shit demanding. I get you a drink. Mm-hmm. I'm eating tuna. I'm eating

Speaker 2: my fucking tuna because I'm not lifting a finger. That's a different attitude I think than I would be

Speaker: all for it. My cousin is a flight attendant.

She has been slapped before. Right. [00:18:00] During COVID. Mm-hmm. She actually slapped. Mm-hmm. Because she said something about their mask, and the woman wound up smacked her across like smack, I think she might've hit her like neck and it doesn't matter where she hit her, she hit her. It doesn't

Speaker 4: matter.

Speaker: Yeah. So I, I am all about the flight attendants for sure.

Mm-hmm. But the whole fuck you. 'cause you eat fast food. Like that's, I, I wish, like, that's the part I have a problem with. There's such a weird culture of like superiority. Mm-hmm. Like I eat better, so I'm better than you. I eat, tune in a can from like, I eat, tune on the flight while you ate fast. Like, first of all, it's a fricking airport.

There's not that many options. So if you're gonna be judgmental, it's probably not the place to do it. Plus at the expense of food. Mm-hmm. Like. Girl, you know how expensive it is there. Right. Why people don't wanna pay, you know, $40 Right. For a sea, a sandwich in a, in a little box, like gimme a break. Right?

But to the superiority complex of so many of these fitness people mm-hmm. [00:19:00] Is a little beyond me. Like there's such a disdain for people that I just don't understand. And I also don't understand like. There's so many assumptions made about everybody else. Again, assuming that like it's unhealthy people who eat fast food just 'cause they don't like your, the tuna smell.

Mm-hmm. Like, that's such a huge jump. Mm-hmm. But also it's just like, do you think you're better than people? Like clearly, like you're better just because you do a cleaner protein. Is that mm-hmm. You're maybe not the person I want to be the flight

Speaker 2: attendant.

Speaker: Right. She's like skinny people off the plane first.

Speaker 2: What do, and, and that's why there, like, there are certain like, uh, nutrition people that I follow and mm-hmm. That, that I think are so healthy about it, like in a good way. Like, I love it. Andy does healthy. Sure. Uh, is great. Liam, I dunno if you follow him. He does the cottage cheese stuff a lot of times, but he talks about like, uh, the, uh.

He's, he's great. Probably. I've probably seen it. I hope he is great. If I always mention whenever, I always get scared when I mention people. I know. He seems, I

Speaker 7: So advice. He kills

Speaker 2: [00:20:00] the guy. Advice. Oh no, I forgot about that. He's joking. Oh, no, no. Uh, but like there, there's certain creators that I just like, I love because they, they teach a, having a healthy relationship with food.

I love it. Talk about whole wellness and all those kind of good things. That's great. Sure. It's the people that are like you. Fuckers are eating seed oil or whatever. I don't, is seed oil bad or good? I don't, that's bad to them, right? Uh,

Speaker: yeah. I think wet do hate seed oil. I don't know. At

Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, I think, uh, or you guys are shoving poison now.

You ish

Speaker: poison eaters.

Speaker 2: I had a, I had a friend, uh, that is fell deep into that pipeline that, uh, I posted, uh, on, on my private Instagram. Mm-hmm. Uh, a picture of my kids at Happy Meals that we, we got 'em because, oh, they better not. You know she was, she was like, I cannot believe you of all people are giving your children McDonald's.

I was like,

Speaker: can I tell you something? Can I tell you something? Because lemme tell you something. Lemme tell you something. Tell me how have you seen

Speaker 6: that when he's like supposed to, [00:21:00] there's like a viral meme gif where the guy's like about, isn't he about to like jump, do like guide diving or something? I think that's what it is.

Or bungee jumping. It's like, let

Speaker: tell you something, um, sorry, that was just in my head. Like it's the same, the people who will do shit like that, um, are the same people who like. I, I was around on our, I, we just got back from a trip, which is why we were not there. Mm-hmm. We, we didn't have an episode last the week before.

'cause I was on a trip anyways. This mom literally had all like, looked like, definitely like a granola person.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Uh, she had like four kids in the water and once she, she and this child like went to a bathroom mask area. She was gone for 15 minutes with four kids in the water. I'm like,

Speaker 5: mm-hmm.

Speaker: But we were there.

We wouldn't have let a kid drown, obviously. Yeah, of course, of course. I guess that was their assumption. I guess she, she, somebody

Speaker 2: will take care of them,

Speaker: but it's like they'll do that shit. It's like they'll do, they'll be like, don't you dairy to seed oil. But I would throw [00:22:00] my kids in a lake and just wish the, mm-hmm.

Wish the best for them.

Speaker 2: It's also exposing the measles while we're at it. Like, yeah, that'll be good for 'em. Right. That's healthier than.

Speaker: Yeah. We have struck view points on this, but my point is like they're picking and choosing, like, you know, someone could be skeletal. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That they're not healthy.

Like they could be deficient in all areas, and there could be someone who has more weight on their body Right. And is healthier. Like literally you don't know. And there's just this, this whole idea of like superiority because of weight and health. It's such a mm-hmm. It's strange concept to me. Mm-hmm. I do not understand it.

Like. You put your body, like sometimes it's even like you torture your body, like the way you work out. Mm-hmm. But you think you're better. I, I definitely don't think this is an attitude I would want from a flight attendant. Mm-hmm. And again, this is all like, girl, maybe people don't like your stinky fish that you're eating.

Like maybe it's not this, uh, culture war between fish judging me for

Speaker 2: being healthy. Yeah.

Speaker: Maybe they're just like, Ugh, girl. Like clearly, you know, you [00:23:00] talk about all the time, like how when things are too specific. That clearly they've happened. Yeah. Like girl, I feel like a lot of people on your flights have been like, oh, what does that smell?

Yeah. And you're like, it's hell yeah. Okay. It's hell

Speaker 2: learn. Why do you learned?

Speaker: Are you straight from bk? How was McDonald's

Speaker 2: is it must be what you only eat. That's all you ever eat. Poison seed, oil nuggets.

Speaker: Do you know they never deteriorate, which like actually might be true.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you know Jack In the Box actually used to make burgers out of murdered?

I mean, I didn't know where to go with any food is

Speaker 6: made of, if it's got meat, something was murdered,

Speaker 2: eat green. Did you know that you eat Soylent green and I eat tuna, fish, tuna, green? I don't know.

Speaker 6: Yikes. Anyways, I thought that was a really fascinating good plot twister being the flight attendant. I was like, oh my God.

Speaker 2: That's a, the, the most relatable [00:24:00] part of it is like, yeah, fuck these people.

Speaker: Like

Speaker 2: having said that, no, I agree with you.

Speaker: It's just so I, I think we've gotta be able to find a middle ground. Like I, like I said, I think kids should be able to be in spaces. I don't think like I've, mm-hmm. I think I told this story where there was a little girl stabbing people with forks on a plane.

Mm-hmm. I don't think that should happen. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4: Like

Speaker: we have to find a middle ground. But yeah. The, the attitude like, God, I would hate it if she was my flight attendant. Yeah. She would be hating me. Me, it's really

Speaker 2: hard for me to take a stance against someone that's worked in like a service industry. Sure.

You know, because normally I'm like, and that's what, and that's the, the joke I keep making is like, yeah. Normally the, it takes a lot. Before I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. I, I, that one's a little rough. It has nothing to do with the flight attendant. I would be absolutely nice to her. As I, you know, eat fries from my Burger King bag.

She's like, you're just

Speaker 2: crying.

Speaker: She's like, you don't get, I'm hungry. She's like, you don't get a [00:25:00] life vest. I, it doesn't matter where it is under your seat. You don't get any, you should have thought of that before you brought, you brought that Phil on my plane. Specifically

Speaker 2: the, the, the air, the, uh, the oxygen mask and she holds it back and she's holding yours up on them,

Speaker: not today.

Speaker 2: Shoving behind her.

Speaker: She's like, sorry, no air for you anyways. Do you wanna do one next? Sure.

Speaker 2: I got, I got one I thought was, uh, was an interesting thing to talk about.

Speaker 7: Oh, Jesus. Uh, hey, I'm

Speaker 2: gonna, I'm gonna play it. I want to, it's more so I think it would be interesting discussion to have.

Speaker 7: Okay. Uh,

Speaker 2: on here because there were a lot of guys that were angry in the comment section of this one.

Oh, we

Speaker: love it. Uh,

Speaker 2: so here, tell, make sure we can hear it. Lemme turn the volume up.

Speaker 3: I think guys that have a lot of game, it's harder for them to actually get in real relationships. Yes, agree. 'cause women don't trust them a hundred percent. The women won't take them serious because it's like, no, you be fucking, you know what I mean?

Like you are like way too fly. [00:26:00] Way too. Like good looking. You're so good with your words. Like you have to have some flaws. Mm-hmm. For women to feel safe around you.

Speaker: Was that a white guy?

Speaker 3: It was a white guy.

Speaker: Oh, come on man.

Speaker 3: Yeah. White, white guy and

Speaker 2: a black woman.

Speaker: Oh, come on. You be. Come on. Yeah, I know. It's

Speaker 2: he definitely.

That's it. I can tell you, you, you'll see when you see the video, he looks at the kind of guy that would talk like this though.

Speaker 6: I don't think I would think that about him.

Speaker 2: He also looks like he could be my little brother.

Speaker: Pick

Speaker 2: that with the greatest. Yeah.

Speaker: That's, to me is such an obvious argument that like.

It's just like if somebody was a salesman.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Like you would not trust them as much. Like it's just, there's a difference between being like authentic and genuine.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: And being like being able to date well, like

Speaker 4: mm-hmm.

Speaker: Having good experiences and being able to have girlfriend, boyfriends, whatever.

Mm-hmm. And game. Which is I have practiced this. I have a skillset. Yeah. Game. I'm a pick

Speaker 2: up [00:27:00] artist kind of. Yeah. It's game as

Speaker: in like we're playing at something strategies, but yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to be around anyone that's playing at it. Mm-hmm. Like you're trying to win. Like, mm-hmm. Of course, like of course women don't wanna be around that because they recognize this is a practice skill.

Mm-hmm. Game isn't just, that's why it's called game. It's not just being charming. It's not being personable. It's not just being funny. It's like, I have tried these lines, I have tried this way of behaving, like mm-hmm. It works for me to get women. So yeah, of course.

Speaker 2: That's one of the best advice I think.

'cause I've had a lot of guys recently, all of a sudden my male followers of guys wanting to actually ask me for advice has been. Shooting up, which is good luck to them, which is a great sign. No, I know. Well, but in a, in a good way. Like they're, they're like, where they're like, Hey, I, I, I want a relationship.

Help me. I mean, like, and no, honestly, but like, Hey, I've been listening to these other, like other guys, it's not working. And I'm, I, and then they're finally, there's, there's guys that are, I think it's finally starting to get across that these red pill, kind of like terrible podcasts aren't actually teaching you how to [00:28:00] be in a happy relationship.

Right. Um, anyways, but they'll, they'll, they'll message me a lot of times and they'll say, well, should I do this? Should I do this? And it's always this, this like very specific, well, when do I text back God? And I'm like, God, this is not what I'm also, I'm not a relationship coach. Right. That is not. I don't claim to be a dating coach.

I've never done, like, my whole point is, is like breaking down the misogyny in right. In that, that underlies a lot of this advice that goes on there. But the one advice I I, I have given though is just like, look, if she likes you. Whatever you do is going to be sweet. Right? Like, it's one of those like, if you bring her flowers and she actually likes you, yeah, that's great.

Right? She's gonna be like, that was so sweet. If you, if she doesn't like you and you bring her flowers, she's gonna be like, oh shit. Why'd you bring me flowers? You know? That's the only, that was a very specific thing somebody asked online. They were like, what do I like do, are we, am I not supposed to bring flowers anymore?

Mm-hmm. Like, because, because the last date he was on, someone looked at him like, what the fuck are you giving me flowers for? Sure. Sure. And I would say also, if you're bringing, if you're meeting at the [00:29:00] restaurant. Probably flowers isn't the best 'cause then they got a whole flowers. What I do with, yeah. I think, I think that the, the idea of flowers on a date goes back to when you're picking her up from her, her house or her apartment or, right.

'cause then she could leave it and then you go on your, like the, the modern way of dating where you usually meet somewhere. Mm-hmm. Probably doesn't. Although I'm sure there's plenty of, like, if, like I said, if she really likes you, if she was into you, it would still be like, this is very, that's a very sweet gesture.

Yeah. But I think this, this goes back to like. Uh, like when I, when I was in college, when I was dating, I did not have any gay. This is gonna shock you. Like when I, when I met my wife, what I know I was the most, and this is back to being undiagnosed statistic, I think too old. I'm not good socially with people.

Mm-hmm. Like, and, and its in situations where I'm not prepared for Yeah. Or I don't know somebody, it's very difficult for me. Well, a couple things that I found out that are completely related to me being autistic, uh, that, uh, that helped be on dates is one [00:30:00] I, like I said, there was no facade. It was just like, here's everything.

Speaker: Uh, lemme start with my earliest drama.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Take it or leave it. And, uh, and it was not, yeah, there's a difference between that versus, I know there's like strategies now be behind, like trauma dumping. It's, oh yeah. It's gross. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a difference between that and just being open. I'm like, this is, this is me.

Yeah. Sometimes I'm dumb, right? I use the word dumb again. Um. So, so I would go on dates and, uh, and I was, this is the thing I didn't even realize was a, was a problem in the dating scene right now where women, I saw, I saw some women talking about how they'll go on dates and, and the guys don't ask a single question the entire time.

Versus, I, my special interest has always been people, right? And so I would, I, I always had, I didn't understand, it didn't make sense to me 'cause I'm bad at small talk, but I was great at first dates. I love questions. Because I was like, tell me more about that. And they would be like, they would start talking about, so I'm like, oh my.

And I would, and I was, and it's not a game I was because I was, didn't have it. I was genuinely [00:31:00] fascinated. 'cause I like this person and I'm like, tell me more about this. You like this activity? What's that? I've never done that before. What's that like? Where do you do it? And it's, and that was apparently a, that's a very uncommon thing apparently, to be interested in the person you're dating.

Speaker: Well, I think there's a difference too, is like. Realizing what game means to the other person, which is like, there's a difference between what you're describing, which is I have a general interest in you. I'm asking questions I wanna get to know you and I, the opposite being game, which is like I have a goal.

I wanna sleep with you or I wanna be with you. I'm gonna do whatever it takes. I'm gonna use these lines. I'm gonna use, like, I'm gonna say things that to you feel genuine and in the moment, but that I've rehearsed, practiced, and used before. Mm-hmm. And so you just have to think of it as like if you knew, like take it out of romantic relationship if you knew that, like say it was your friend.

Like a couple months into the friendship, they're like, yeah. Mm-hmm. I just pretended [00:32:00] to like everything that you liked, and I mm-hmm. I've actually like said all these things, like none of that was real. I, that was all rehearsed. I've been manipulating you, I've been lying to you, but like, we're friends now.

Right. So it's all good. You would obviously have. Some hesitation with that person. Mm-hmm. Like, okay, well you were willing to lie to me. You manipulated me. Mm-hmm. You made me think this was a special, but it wasn't like I, I don't trust that you're genuine. I don't trust, like the bond that we had was built off of lies and manipulation.

Mm-hmm. So, of course, like I, I feel like it's, it's bizarre if people act like they don't understand why that's a problem. Mm-hmm. If, if someone is saying, I manipulated you, I lied to you. My goal was this and I did whatever it took to get there. Mm-hmm. Like, of course you're gonna have issues trusting that person.

Like,

Speaker 2: and I think it's the guys that are acting like they're like it, it does work. It do. 'cause you ha if you bought so far into this game pickup strategy thing that you've devoted [00:33:00] how God knows how many hours to quote unquote perfecting it, you can't ever admit like, except that it's also such a weird cell phone.

Speaker 7: Yeah.

Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, like the, the, the idea of like, no, no, this works. Because if I were to ever like, just be myself, they'd hate it.

Speaker: Well, also what comes from that, because, uh, you can't do it forever. It's not game forever. Mm-hmm. Right, right. Like you supposedly win, right. Based off of whatever practice thing you've done, then what?

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4: Like,

Speaker: you're not gonna be able to carry that on. Like you're not going to be able to continue that. Eventually you go off book and what do you have if you're basing it off of game rather than personality. You're in trouble, right? And we see that, right? Like where people will have quote unquote game through dating apps or through text exchanges, like, I remember back in the day this happening and then meeting them in person and you're like, oh, you can't do this in real life.

Like

Speaker 2: I bet you there's a lot of people also filtering their text through [00:34:00] like AI and stuff now. Yeah. I couldn't even imagine how bad it is right now.

Speaker: I know, I'm, I'm so glad that I'm not, um, in the dating world, but it's, it's, um. It's tricky because like mm-hmm. Even if you do have game up until a certain point, like that only gets you so far.

People don't want a relationship with that. Like, there's no depth to be hacked.

Speaker 2: No. They fell involved with that, with this caricature that you created that, like, to your point, uh, that when they actually do get to meet you, uh, as a person, they're like, mm-hmm. Well where's this, that, that's not who I fell in love with.

Speaker: Right. And there's, or,

Speaker 2: or that's not who I was lusting after even,

Speaker: and like then who you are, how do you. Put that into the mix. How do you, how are you authentically yourself while still having the game of a persona that's not actually you? I don't think you can do both. And then like people aren't in fulfilling relationships.

These dudes aren't in fulfilling relationships. Mm-hmm. And they're like, ah, women suck. It's like, no, you we're not being yourself. Like if you're putting out something that's not who you really are, you're gonna match up with someone who's not a good match for you. Mm-hmm. They're gonna match the persona rather than your [00:35:00] personality.

Mm-hmm. And then. You're gonna be upset because it goes wrong, but of course it's gonna go wrong because they didn't love you. They loved this fake character you were playing. Mm-hmm. And so it's like, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy and never ending cycle with these guys where it's like, yeah, the game's great, but women, women suck.

It's not the game that's the problem. It's women because I get them and then they don't stay. It's like, yeah, 'cause you're not being a real person.

Speaker 2: And I can't stress enough how clumsy every step of my relationship with my wife was. My first kiss was so awkward, was the least smooth thing. I think it might've been even for me, the least smooth, but it would.

But she liked me. So it was cute, right? So that she was, she was more, the first time I said I love you was so badly. Like it was not like this beautiful moment of us looking into each other's eyes. It was me stumbling through accidentally saying it on a phone call. Like, 'cause I had been thinking about it so much and then it was, but it was, once [00:36:00] again, you like the person then that ends up being an endearing moment, uh, between you

Speaker: and also like.

I don't hate to break it to you, but like mm-hmm. Lesbians have great game too. Mm-hmm. Uh, I've known many trans people with crazy game, like across, like non-binary, like across the gender spectrum.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: People have game. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4: Like

Speaker: they have the ability, um, in fact there's, there's quite, there's a culture of lesbians having really good game, but then not, not being like.

Not staying, like not being great partners, but like, so, so game as a whole isn't something that's new. Mm-hmm. And I think a like. Most people that use it in that way. I'm not talking about personality, I'm not talking about being like mm-hmm. Funny or charming. I'm talking about literally like I use, I say these lines to get with girls.

Mm-hmm. They're women. I, that's what I do.

Speaker 2: Thera, the bread crumbing strategy, the strategy. Yeah. It's the whole, yeah.

Speaker: It basically, it's not, it has nothing to do with them as a person. Like no move you [00:37:00] make has to do with them. It's all about like your strategy. Mm-hmm. Um, but we hear this much more from men.

We hear the anger, the frustration, uh, and it's sold more. Um, like literally sold more like as in there's dating coaches teaching it. Um. It's just interesting that men have more, get more upset than others. Yeah. I think the reliance,

Speaker 2: the reason you see this in male dominated spaces a lot more though too, is be it's, I think has to do with the dating app culture too.

And the fact that, you know, like 80% of people on the apps are men, uh, and like the. The, the reality is it's the best advice still to meet somebody is to find hobbies. Yeah. Right. With other people. Go to events that you're actually interested in and, and meet people, take classes and things like actually human interaction.

And I think the like, 'cause because I'll hear guys talking about like, you know, I went on. Four dates, but, and it was like, but they all went terrible and blah, blah. I was like, God, I can't even, I don't know how many [00:38:00] dates. I didn't have like terrible first dates, like any tragic, but I went on tons of dates.

It's this idea of like, well, I wanted her. And I can't have that one. Right. I was like, that's, that's been around forever. You, you date to find someone you like.

Speaker: You know what I heard that was interesting and I don't remember where I heard it from, which is annoying. There was a woman online and she was talking about the fact that, um, a lot of men want rules rather than understanding consent.

Mm.

Speaker 4: So

Speaker: like. It, it's dependent on the situation. Just like the flowers. That was a great example.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Like whether or not someone likes flowers depends on the situation, right? Mm-hmm. Uh, whether or not a girl would wanna hug. Like if you had a great first date and she was giving you body language that she's interested and she's leaning in and you wanna give her a hug, that's different than if you had a shit first date.

Mm-hmm. And she can't wait to get away from you and you try and hug her. Mm-hmm. Um, but they want the rule. They want to you to say, well, can I do hugs on a first date or not? Can I kiss on a first date or not? Can I do [00:39:00] flowers rather than? Under or, or seeking to understand the complexity of consent in the moment and seeing women as people.

Mm-hmm. Like they just want you to throw out rules and you see this all the time because to your point, like men will ask it, it's, it's like rule based. Mm-hmm. Is this okay? Is this not okay? And it's like you can't set like rules that way. Every single woman is different. There's some rules that I think across the board.

Probably are good, right? Like don't ask consent. Yeah, consent. Yeah. Like don't say, are you gonna sleep with me when you meet someone? You know, like right. There are some things I think you could probably say mm-hmm.

Speaker 4: With

Speaker: confidence across the board work, but it's like there's intricacies and differences with.

Every single woman, every interaction.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: And it's, I I found it quite fascinating, um, as she was talking about it is like, it it is, it is very much like, no, I just wanna know what the rules are. Mm-hmm. And then I'll follow the rules and then people will sleep with me or, and then I'll go with the girl rather than like, that's not [00:40:00] life.

That's not how it goes. Right. Every person is different. You could have guidelines, you could have suggestions, but there's no hard and fast rule, and like mm-hmm. You do see how upset certain men get with that. They want you to just tell them like, this'll work every time and

Speaker 4: mm-hmm.

Speaker: It's, it's just interesting.

It's like, consent is so, it, it's complicated. It can change in a moment. It can be a yes and then it can be a no. Mm-hmm. And like, it's like just for anything, I don't even mean sexually, it's just like any, anything, like if someone likes you or not, or like. You know, like if the date's gonna continue, like mm-hmm.

There may be a point at which you realize they're not, they, there's not chemistry and that mm-hmm. That person doesn't wanna, uh, stick around. You know, I, I think. Sometimes we, they just want the black and white mm-hmm. Of, of it. And, um, it really, it, it showcases their mindset with women, I think. Mm-hmm. That it's like rules and game and all these other things rather than like mm-hmm.

The woman and like the situation.

Speaker 2: And there's a, there's a level that I understand that frustration Sure. Of like, [00:41:00] not under knowing what to do. Right. Like not wanting to Sure. And I think, I think like it's, it's a lot easier obviously now in hindsight, years later. Yeah. To, to be like. Just, just let you know, because heartbreak sucks.

You know, of course falling for someone sucks. But it's, it's the difference between that sucks versus like the, uh, the entitlement culture of like, but I deserve this. Right? I did. I did. The I I did the rules, right? Yes, I did the things I'm supposed to be doing. Now she's supposed to be with me. Right? Like, there's no reason why she wouldn't like me.

Sometimes she doesn't like you. 'cause they just don't click. Right? Yeah. Like, they, like, there's just, you don't have, and that's like people stay in relationships because they're like, well, they're not doing anything wrong.

Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true. I mean, I don't actually

Speaker 2: love them. I don't feel anything for them, but.

They didn't break any rules that were at the,

Speaker: you know, dating. That was me dating forever. I get it. Like I get frustration like I to like, even when these guys, not the ones who were saying crazy shit, but just like [00:42:00] talking about how hard it is, like I totally understand that. Um. Mm-hmm. I get how frustrating it is.

I, I get that it's hard knowing what to do, when to do it, knowing like in the moment, like what's the right thing? Mm-hmm. But that is the nature of dealing with another human being. Mm-hmm. That is what dating is. Mm-hmm. It is hard. It is challenging. There is no set of specific rules that'll work every time, but that's because you're dealing with a.

Person.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Like, and that's the part that I think is lost on some people, which is like, this is a human being who also has their own wants, needs and desires, their own goals. Mm-hmm. What they want and like. If people focused more on reading and understanding other people, like, to your point, way back, the curiosity of it all.

Mm-hmm. Like if you were more curious about the women you were with and asking them questions, getting to know them, they'll tell you what they like. You know what I mean? I, I, in my experience, people do tell you what they want, if you ask. Mm-hmm. And it's [00:43:00] like if we focus more on body language and um. I mean, simple body language, like mm-hmm.

You can feel if someone's interested versus not interested u usually. Mm-hmm. Um, but if we focus more on that and like paying attention to the partner that you're with

Speaker 4: mm-hmm.

Speaker: Rather than this weird fixed set of rules you wanna have. Mm-hmm. Like, these men would be so much more successful. Mm-hmm. Like if they worked on their, uh, like emotional, like, uh, their, uh, emotional intelligence essentially.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Like, God, this would be so much easier for them. Mm-hmm. Like if they spent half the time they do trying to figure out the rules and have game, just like understanding how to relate to people. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: But, and I think that's the, I I, maybe it's also the approach of why they're going into, they're going into the date already deciding that they can, this person is, they don't, they don't really care who this person is because the idea of this person is what they're after.

I want this one. I've decided this is the one I want. Yeah.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker 2: Uh, and so [00:44:00] versus like, I, I approached every first date. Like, and every, every relationship and everything, I was like, all right, let's figure this out. Do we click? I want to know. Right. Are, are you, are we good for each other? Do we, do we mesh as opposed to how can I, oh, how can I impress you?

Mm-hmm. What do I need to do? What are the, what are the buttons I need to press Right to to win this date? Yeah. Right. And it's this competitive aspect of this thing to show off so you can have something, uh, as opposed to actually looking for someone that you actually. Have a connection with,

Speaker: it's so interesting 'cause when I dated men, like I'm a, an odd case for a lesbian because like, I dated a ton of men and I did really well with men.

You know, like, I'm not bragging. I was so great with men. Uh, but like, that's why some people in my life when I came out were like, what, what do you mean? And then other people are like, oh yeah, for sure. No shit. But, um, but my point is that when I would date men, like I. My feeling was always like, they would pick [00:45:00] pieces of my personality they liked.

Mm-hmm. Which I, you know, I have so many interests. I have so many, like, you know, I, some would be like, oh, she likes to play video games. That'll be the thing, or, mm-hmm. Oh, she's funny. Um, and we like to joke, like, it would be like comedy or it would be like, when I did improv, it would be that we both improvise.

Mm-hmm. Like, they would just pick a portion of me that related to them, and then they're like, this is what I like, and everything else is fine.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: But like when I was with my wife, for example, it was like, oh, what, what's important to you about you? Like, what, what do you love about yourself? Like, she would come to my shows, like, one of the most badass, like literally I could spoon right now.

Mm-hmm. She came to see my show and then, uh, I can't remember if we went on a date. I, I can't remember if it was directly after or a little bit after, and she quoted my own play to me. In conversation like verbatim. And I was like, okay, I'll marry you right now. But, but that's 'cause she was interested. She, she was curious.

[00:46:00] She, like, she retained literally word for word my play because she cared about what I was doing and like she saw me as a whole person and that she was compatible with me. Mm-hmm. Versus I have this thing I want. Mm-hmm. If, if you hit enough notes, I'll just be cool with the other parts. Mm-hmm. And I think there's a difference there, like, like how I look.

I look at everybody as like a whole, like I'm interested all parts of them. 'cause that's how I know who they are. Mm-hmm. I don't just like pick my favorite parts and then say, oh, that's good, that'll be fine.

Speaker 2: And I think it's the, the problem is you have these, this, this pickup culture, these dating coaches that weaponize genuine things that good people do in relationships and do try to gamify them into, like, love bombing is a good example of this where, uh, like that sometimes you just really like a person.

Right. And, and like my wife is a good example of, of this where, uh, when, when we started dating, she had, it was a, like a week or two before she started being, uh, the lead in thoroughly modern Millie. Uh, and I,

Speaker: she would, [00:47:00]

Speaker 2: uh, and so, and she was, she was great, right? And so I went to have no doubt every night.

And I didn't realize, I, I was not, I was part of performance community, but not in theater community. Mm-hmm. At that point. And I didn't realize that t typically you bring flowers an opening night and I felt so shitty 'cause everyone had flowers and I was like, oh no. Oh shit.

Speaker 4: Yeah,

Speaker 2: I didn't do this. And once again, a lot of this stuff, I was, look back, I'm like, my autism is gonna show right here.

Um, but like, and so, and I, so I went the next night with big bouquet of flowers. And then every single show I went to, I brought her. Yep. Flowers, which I didn't even click in my head that that wasn't normal. At that point I thought, we've gone abnormal. And, but then it got to the point where I was like, well, she should get flowers every, she's the lead.

She's Millie. Right. She should, so every I, she would be great in

Speaker: that role too. She's,

Speaker 2: she's wonderful. I'll, I'll show you. We have video of it. Oh my

Speaker 6: God. Send it to me. I. Okay. Or at least songs off the podcast. Songs.

Speaker 2: Some of the songs. Yeah. Um, but I, I would show up, uh, and I didn't have enough money to buy a ticket every night, but I, I wanted her to have flowers as the lead every night.[00:48:00]

So I'd show, and flowers are pretty cheap. Like, you can buy like a cheap bouquet. And so I would show up and then the stage manager saw me there the second night and she was like, are you here for the show? I was like, no. Can you just bring these back to, uh, my then girlfriend? Uh, and, and the state manager was like, well, you don't have tickets.

I was like, why can't, they're like expensive. Yeah. Yeah. Hold on. Just, and she gave me a seat the next day I showed up, I was like, Hey, can you bring me? She was like, are you buying? Do you, and I was like, I don't. And she was like, so she, she, after like the fourth time this happening, she just gave me tickets to the rest of the run.

And so I got to go every single. So I got to watch 37, 38 shows of thirdly mater, Millie.

Speaker: I'm gonna throw up that. All of that is so sweet.

Speaker 2: And that was the case for the next like. Two years of our relationship when she was still doing clip before we moved, uh, and kind of moved on from the theater as aspect.

What did, we don't ever move on theater, but when she, every single show she was ever in, I went to every single show and brought her flowers to every single show she was in because she deserved flowers. But that would be, that, that would be like, I, I [00:49:00] shared that story with something. I was like, oh, was that like love bombing?

I was like, no, I just fucking loved her.

Speaker 6: It was not a bomb, it was just love. I just,

Speaker 2: I just liked her and thought she deserved flower. That's

Speaker 6: so sweet, Jessica. I'm gonna scream, but that, but

Speaker 2: that's, that's it. And so, so people would, like, you have these, these. Intricate people that will see something like that and be like, all right, how can I use this to then trick a woman into Yes.

You know, all those kind of things. Yeah.

Speaker: Well, that's how game works though. Yeah. Like, it's like you try something, it works out. Mm-hmm. I, uh, I, I, I, I know I've talked about this before, but I'll use, I'll say it really quickly. The, when I. Had a guy, ah, this guy, he was a friend, so there was one guy that I liked, and then his friend and his friend liked me.

We'll call the friend that liked me, Jay, that's not his name, but, um, he, he like took me on a kidnapping date, basically. Mm-hmm. I think I've told you this, where like he, um, he's like, let's go [00:50:00] for a drive. I used to go for drives all the time. Um, back then, um, 'cause it was cheap and you and your friends could listen to music.

Mm-hmm. Uh, and so I was like, oh yeah, yeah. So I was like, but let's not, I don't wanna go anywhere. I was literally in sweats. I looked a mess and he's like, oh yeah, we're not going anywhere. And then, where does he take me? He drives me to a movie and he wants to go see Date Night, the movie. And I was like, ah, we said this without a date.

And he's like, no, no, it's cool. Uh, I'll pay for you. I'll pay for you. And I. Even though I said no, he did anyways. Okay. So it was this whole thing and then, which I was like, I just wanna go home now because I don't like you and I've told you this, like there's, there was no gray area. I did not like this guy.

Anyways, we were leaving and he like pulls the car into the parking lot, a different parking lot. And I'm like, what's happening? And then he opens the door and he starts playing. Salsa music, a meringue, I can't remember. And he's like, come dance with me. I'm like, no,

Speaker 2: no. I don't know. I don't know if this is a preshow story or it wasn't a podcast story, but I, this one, yeah.

Uh,

Speaker: it was, I, I could, I [00:51:00] can remember every detail of this because I was like, get me outta here. I was wearing flip flops and he's like, no, dance with me. Dance with me. And I was like, dude, Jay, I don't wanna do this. He's like, basically we was not gonna leave until I did it. So like, I get outta the car, dance with him, whatever.

Eventually I dated the friend and not him, which I said was the case. Mm-hmm. And he Venmo me demanding money for a said date. Anyways, that's not the point. But I was telling somebody this happened because I was like, oh, I can't believe he did this to me. And this girl was like, oh my God, he did the same thing to so-and-so.

So he had. That was his thing. A habit of driving women into parking lots. And he was an okay dancer, Uhhuh. So he wasn't that good dancer. The other guy was a better dancer, if I'm being honest. But it was enough that like he thought that was his thing. Yeah. So he would, yeah, he would take women, um, and force 'em to dance in parking lots, which sounds really nefarious.

Uh, but like. It was, you know, it's like if I, if I would've liked him, which I didn't, but if I would've, I would've been like, oh, [00:52:00] what a cool moment. Like that was a really fun, cool spur of the moment thing that happened. Right,

Speaker 4: right.

Speaker: And the truth would be, there's like nothing about that was like spur of the moment.

Like that was a hundred percent planned. And there's so many, well, any gender can do it, but a, a lot of men, you know, are actually told to do it. And, um. That's crazy to me, which is this, uh, just like faking these moments rather than having them organically. You could have them organically, you could find what a woman likes and then plan accordingly.

But they don't wanna do that. They don't wanna put that much time and effort into the woman, so they just like will redo these same things over and over and hope for a positive outcome, which Jay did not get. I will tell you that

Speaker 2: on that note, I have to go pick up my kids from summer camp. Oh shoot. Okay.

There we go. Uh, where can people find us, Reagan?

Speaker: Well, you can find us on our YouTube page, which you might wanna do this week, so you can see yes, you can see the [00:53:00] cute little golden girl finger puppets that JustCo has acquired. You can also find us on our social media. We have the f the Nice Guy page, which is on Instagram and TikTok.

We have Che Ghost's page, uh, the Speech Prof. We also have the Mr Prick, me and the Man Hater page. Uh, we have the Reagan Reacts YouTube page. Is that all the pages?

Speaker 2: Fine. Look at it in the show notes. It's all there.

Speaker: Look at the show notes. Uh, make sure to check out the Patreon where we tell crazy stories that are absolutely unhinged.

And other than that, friends, we will see you next time.

Speaker 2: Bye. Love you.