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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, welcome back to another episode of the baseball America fantasy podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is your host Jeff Ponds alongside me, right in shotgun again, Dylan White.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is back from his vacation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said you were up in the Yukon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I said last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what you do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're on your cabin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're on the lake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got a picture of you in the dog in the lake, you know, you were out there chilling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how about go, man, get some time to unwind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just check your fantasy teams and nothing else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We we're on a lake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a friend of a friend's cottage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got a good deal on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We went there last year too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stand up paddle boarding the dog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We put the life jacket on them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the accent, weiner dog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just sits on the bow of the thing and just like pulls his own Titanic move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just so it was very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very relaxing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The weather was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't so hot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were no bugs really either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just everything worked very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm still a vacation this week too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a staycation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm back in Toronto, but not working.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So back in the sixth doing his thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of Canadians, speaking of Toronto,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Big day on Friday for you and your countrymen as a national hero, Jonah Tong, it's making his MLB debut.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's very likely soon to be minor league pitcher of the year, Jonah Tong, especially if he doesn't make another minor league start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of hard to argue with the numbers at this point, a performance across the two highest levels of the minors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously a very limited AAA sample, but in those eleven point two endings, he was tremendous, didn't give up a run

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he does look ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Huge stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know he's been a fan of yours for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Robo scout was a fan of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had him in my twenty prospects that can break out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's probably my best call to date over three or four years or whatever, or right in these.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peyton told he was in that one too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I hit a couple of homers this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I love Tom, he's a great kid, you know, I wrote an article back in May.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had some opportunities to talk to him three different times now, once in person for a bit of the prospect pad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's just really, really down to earth, very Canadian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very polite, very mild manner, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny because he's kind of so unassuming, like physically and just like in this person now, do you never think that he was this

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[SPEAKER_01]: No tremendous athlete and potentially, you know, soon to be, you know, major league star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see how it goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The strikeout numbers are phenomenal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know the change-up change this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We went to more of a Vulcan grip on top of the horseshoe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's allowed him to play off the fastball a little bit more, kind of moves almost a little bit like a splitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got that great fastball with tons of ride.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last year it was the slider that was his best secondary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He'll still flash a plus slider.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I talked to a few scouts kind of around him over the last couple of weeks, leaning up at this and just kind of getting a temperature check.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was getting more positive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things I heard was, there was like a fifty five, sixty break in ball, like slider there last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of wonder if that comes back a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can recapture that a little bit and not sort of, you know, in any way sort of compromise the shape of the change up or of the forcing fastball, which are both very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't look at him as a two-pitch pitcher though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is heavily reliant on those two pitches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he does have a curve ball that's more of a strike stealer like a lot of curve balls are, but he knows when to use it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think if you're going in there, just expecting to see like a two-pitch guy like we're used to with these, you know, four seam slider types, I don't think you're necessarily going to see that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're going to see some variations and it would be interesting to see if the breaking ball usage, depending on start to start maybe, goes up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I ran a little long there, but I'm going to hand it over you, Dylan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are your thoughts on Jonathan?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, he lives just up the road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess I don't think he lives there now, but Marco my think, which is one of the suburbs of Toronto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, maybe I'll bump into him while I'm walking the dog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I mean, you've said it all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have so many articles on his arsenal and everything he does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Robuska loves him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the number wood pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you take his AAA and AA performance and you kind of extrapolated it out to major league peaks, I've got a one point O seven with and a two point nine for ERA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a sub three ERA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thirty-one percent strikeout, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's a best picture in the minor leagues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's even better than Chase Burns who was also like it's basically Burns and and Tong are the top two per Robusca this year with their domination their strikeouts and all that stuff and the thing with with Tong is he has the sort of a high ground ball rate, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He projects to have like an over fifty percent ground ball rate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to keep it in the park hopefully.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All that is good for the model.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Strike out to walks and and ground balls or you know feet into it and the stuff like he said is great last year I was looking at his pitch mix last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He threw so like way like a thousand fast balls and then he threw five hundred and sixty curves and sliders and it's changed up only through a hundred and seventy two times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's like ten percent of the time he throws the fast ball and then this year in AAA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to be looked at as mix.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I talked about it in the Roboscut article.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's sort of the change of the thirty one percent of the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fastball fifty five percent of the time and the slider and curve only combined or like twelve percent thirteen percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it seems to be going with the change up as his primary secondary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, everything's like the fastballs increase three miles an hour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like everything's looking up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I can't wait to see him pitch on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's going to be exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to pivot a little bit here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No one McLean was called up since we last did a podcast together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been phenomenal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you got to see his start or kind of get up to date on what some of the numbers are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he went out again tonight and this is Wednesday night when we're recording and spun another gem, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you've been able to keep up with the Nolan McLean performances.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, during your time off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw today he pitched it's like the they're like two picture two meds pictures who had and their first three starts like three hundred runs and eighteen strikeouts and it's like him and Tom Cversa by that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean Rob was got like him the stuff's great like I talked about it before his curve ball is like probably one of the best of minors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got like three thousand RPM and it has a whole bunch of horizontal movement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like on par with like Ryan Presley who has like one of the best curveballs per stuff plus in the major is a film made on same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the curveballs great throws a passball quite well as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the issue is is command, which he doesn't seem to be showing any issues right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he has some strikeouts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's grown balls, great stuff, and then yeah, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it actually kind of lines up well with a general conversation that you know, I sort of have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When we're talking about pictures that are called up from from AAA, they're dealing with the challenge system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there is still an automated strike zone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the margin of error is much smaller.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The empires are calling to that sort of smaller zone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And JJ actually, you know, our colleague and my boss did a great article kind of digging into this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had said it to him for a while and he was able to prove it out that, you know, the AAA zone is in fact tighter than the major league zone, which is sort of remarkable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think that some of these pictures come up and, you know, it's maybe, it's maybe kind of a sigh of release relief because they're getting a bigger zone

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have to worry about challenges in a bad call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And three or four calls a game can really make a big difference in terms of like, you know, how your command looks, how your control looks, just getting out of particular situations and it bats, et cetera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, McLean is really, really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's already kind of come out here and

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, shown, he's got a deep arsenal, he's got, you know, excellent feel for Span, you know, as you had mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he also mixes, like two pretty decent fastball shapes, like he doesn't really ride the heck out of his forcing fastball, but, you know, you'll see a seventeen IVBE, a sixteen IVBE, fifteen pretty consistently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets some arms, I'd run on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a true sinker where if you look at the vertical break on that, it's like zero one, like it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's legitimately, you know, a real deal sinker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that term sometimes gets kind of thrown around for two-seemed fastballs that don't have true sink where, you know, McLean does have true sink and that makes him

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, really, really unique.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, he's got, you know, that's super high spin curve ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got a lot of movement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He throws it's pretty hard for the amount of movement that it has.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the sweeper, which is kind of his signature pitch, you know, who get that thing up to eighty eight miles an hour, thirty one hundred RPMs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of spin and up to twenty one inches of horizontal break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that's not all on the same pitch that would be the greatest pitch may be ever thrown if it was eighty eight miles an hour twenty one inches of horizontal break and thirty one hundred RPMs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's possible because he does all those things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just such a really interesting pitch mix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I market posed this question to me the other day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the answer is probably Sangha or maybe David Peterson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the way he's pitching down the stretch here, if he keeps this up and then that's make the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, you're in a longer series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he has to start game one like this has this I'm kind of looking at this guy is my playoff ace.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's nobody in this met staff met staff right now that is pitching as well as McLeaness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess Tom has a chance to but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The claim continues to be one of the players that I'm most interested in potentially drafting next year as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna say, why don't we look forward a little bit with the claim?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's obviously a very small sample size, but how do you compare him in terms of where he should go in the draft versus a couple of other outstanding rookies with good stuff in Jacob, Miss Yurowski and Chase Burns?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I got burns in the Zerowski, depending on how burns, recovers from this flexor strain, strain, strain, whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I still have them ahead of McLean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So right now, looking at my Robo Scout McLean's peak projection, one point two whip, three point seventy R.A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then like this year,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Robo Scutt says a one point three whip in a three point nine five year a so bit of a tear down That that's just purely on the minor league stats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not based on what he's doing in the majors right now I think I was curious Jeff Zimmerman made a point that the release heights of his pitches are all different like the curve is like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Three inches or a slider, three inches lower than maybe that's not right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was basically it was not that the consistent release, I was worried if that, how that would manifest, I think it was before his first start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I remember him posted that and then, but apparently it's not causing an issue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think I have McLean would be fourth of Tom Burns, Miserowski.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just like the case of all the other guys, much more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, not much more, but more than the others.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I mean, but if you take his peak projection and you kind of like, I did stuff like correlations with like the dynasty five hundred and where his peak is a fantasy dollar value is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that would kind of correlate interpolate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of like two hundred and fifty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was before he even made his major league debut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So his, he's definitely an asset and the long term dynasty asset and like he said, he's going to be a redraft guy to take a next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just I think he's he's just behind those guys, but it seems like you don't you don't agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to see what happens with tong in the big leagues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a feeling that he could end up being in one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Miss Yorowski.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, right now, I do love the stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love, you know, the setup with the brewers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The keys are there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen it more consistently than what we've seen thus far with Burns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing with McLean is because of his ability to throw this true sinker, he's going to get deeper into starts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So depending upon your format, I think that if you're not looking at it strictly from a K per nine perspective, but more in terms of like accumulation over the course of a season, he might be able to go deeper into starts more consistently than these other guys, and maybe make up and accumulate some of those numbers while having

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, some of these out-generation skills besides just striking guys out by being able to get those ground balls and show a different variation of pitches, et cetera, maybe even ride a foreseamer wing needs a pop-up, et cetera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think the other thing that I don't want to underrate with McLean here

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[SPEAKER_01]: is this is only his second full season pitching and actually did he hit a little bit last year too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This might actually be his first full season where he didn't hit it all and his entire life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Before that he was playing football too because he did you know it was a double scholarship guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot going on there that he is kind of this extraordinary athlete.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen such gains in a small window that he's having success in the big leagues and it kind of makes me wonder if there's like an aptitude component here that we can't fully sort of bacon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said it before he was drafted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing with burns that always concerns me is like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Think that his fastball gets hit hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Andrew Painter has the same issue too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think a lot of it is because it's not a very deceptive like arm action.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just hide the ball real well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: McLean does that as does tongue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the big thing with tongue is tongue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: gets great movement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He really hides the ball well because he gets great extension and he gets really deep into his glutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you see how the ball swings by and I'm like showing you right now on people can hear this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like kind of gets back behind it and like, you know, as he strides forward, that's when it comes up and it just kind of explodes on you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like that shoulder tilt that he has kind of makes it an, you know, an over the top arm action.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really, really unusual.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I try to factor all that in when I'm looking at this stuff and just kind of evaluate it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to fully write off McLean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of want to put him at three, but it could be two kind of pending what Jonah Tongue looks like over the next month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because this, I mean, just based on the numbers you spit out, what we've seen in the performance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At this point, this guy is checked every box, you know, and it's not like we haven't seen a young hard thrower come up and dominate with, you know, two very special pitches, Spencer Strider or Jared Jones in recent memory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you didn't have to go that far back, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an interesting conversation here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, let's take a quick break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to call out a couple of Robo scouts standouts and some guys that you talked about because we got a big data update on here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So kind of adjusted some of the Robo cast numbers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we're going to talk that when we come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jeff Ponds, Dylan White, Baseball, America, Fantasy podcast, Dylan's back from his vacation, and he dropped his first Robo Scout article quite a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, not quite a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me, updated Robo Scout article was two weeks, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you did have one week off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is quite a while based on, you know, how the Robo Scout typically comes out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have some interesting names here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I won't go into any of the DSL guys right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first one that I wanted to ask you about though on the hitting side is Ralphie Velasquez.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's really had a tremendous month or two here and like the second half of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the top, you know, sort of surging hitters in the second half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess would probably be the best way to put it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The dad is pretty good as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are your takeaways for Ralphie Velasquez?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you're really nice little

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[SPEAKER_01]: right up on them on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he jumped up on everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was very surprised to see that because he kind of been staying under the radar for most of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't having a great season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like he said, he's he's very hot now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just seeing all kind of the stack ass numbers that I look at, the barrel rate, chase and swing minus chase.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then his contact and zone in zone contact in the ninety percentile.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All those things have

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[SPEAKER_00]: Increased from last year and last year, they were pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is ninety of exit velocity percentile exit velocity last year is a hundred five miles an hour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is very good for a nineteen year old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then this year is a one o six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have taken a step forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The contact was seventy three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's now seventy six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The barrel rate was sixty percent this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I regressed the barrel rate to the mean just so that you don't have like the small sample size things and even regressed it's twenty four percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where average is fifteen percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not only hitting it very hard, but he's hitting it at the right angles and doing a lot of damage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like his, but what I call hit plus is very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like one, twenty nine adjusted for age adjusted for the level because he's a doubly right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he, a global scout for AA, he's like a sixty eight on the zero to one hundred scale, but then when you throw in the the stack asked, it's up to seventy five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he jumps significantly because the, because of the stack asked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he's always been a bad first prospect, a really interesting hitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, dating back to, you know, his high school days on Tempeach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's really a position and that's kind of what the caveat is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's really got to hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just one organization that needs straight hitters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably not one, especially a big power hitter could be a difference maker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be interesting to see how quickly he could potentially move next year or if he's a guy that kind of spent some time at AA AAA and then we don't see him until twenty seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Still incredibly young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, high school pick back in twenty twenty three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on to another young hitter here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked a lot about I think in the off season and throughout the season could performance has been great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's really started to take off again in low A and that's Ryan L. Rodriguez, one of our favorites Cardinals catcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Talk to me a little bit about Rodriguez, you know, because the underlying stat cast data as I wrote about last week as well is phenomenal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was one of the top performers, the DSL last year, him a day, even Florentino, better stuff, better numbers and like Luis Pena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, I was a bit lower on him just because he's a catcher, you know, teenager catcher and the DSL.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's going to be a lot kind of a long, stewing period.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, as we've seen this series, East Crush, I think he hit his nineteenth home runs a day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just like Ralphie Velazquez, all his stack has, data has improved as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, the contact still, seventy-six percent, which is above average average is seventy-two percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His ninth percent, Alex Velazquez, last year was one of three, which is fantastic for a seventeen year old, and well, as an eighteen year old, it's one of five point six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's higher than Luis Panio, higher than Eduardo Caterro, higher than Edward Florentino.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's pretty much one of the better ones you can have for an ageine year old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His chase is a bit better than average.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year was average, so it's slightly increased, they're improved, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then his barrel rate was sixteen percent last year, where average of twelve percent, and now this year, we're grasped, it's twenty two percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like I said with Ralph Ulaska's very similar thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's crushing the ball and then he's also crushing it at the right angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was one that I missed because I was being conservative for the fact he was a catcher, but now you know, it looks like maybe he doesn't even have to catch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His bat's going to carry him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at his performance at low-way, and then kind of extrapolate his peaks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Robo Scote has him as a two, seventy-five batting average, three, sixty-OBB, thirty-seven homerons, you know, one, twenty-WRC plus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's basically he's a stud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember when you started off strong this year and people were asking you to stop on hundred I'm like, I don't know, I think maybe the back of the top on hundred.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, clearly I was too conservative there because he's just crushed and, you know, the staff cast underlying data is supporting everything he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not this is not smoking mirrors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is this is legit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very much is legit and I think that he's a guy that I'm not even sure I fully caught up to how high should potentially be in that cardinal system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the top hitting prospects in the minors, but it's similar to Velasquez where there are some questions about the defensive capabilities.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's got a little bit better chance to catch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: than Ralphie does, but we shall see how that all plays out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to pivot here to a guy that isn't pranked by Robo Scout just yet, but we shall see, actually, was he was thirteenth in a lower list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's Killby of the Yankees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: who, you know, I think as I ranked him really, really highly if you remember in RFYPD list, I might be able to be able to go even higher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He went thirty nights in supplemental first round to the yanks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Three or eight, four hundred, four ten at the time are recording this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got twelve hits already across thirty-nine at bats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ten runs, just performing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's hit a ball one-o-eight already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's power there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Big athleticism, there's speed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the more exciting players for FYPD.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't shock me if he continues to move up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Got a double check where we had him ranked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what are your thoughts on Kilbi?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much you dug into him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you did mention a little bit in your article.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we had a really small sample stack ass, but since he's playing in the FSL, we have like the full season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So updated, like at the time his his ninety percentile was one o eight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think now it's one o five point six, which is still great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I just said in the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rideal Rodriguez portion, a teen year old with a one of five point six, ninety's percentile is excellent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not striking out his contact rate and in zone is like ninety percent or higher like it's he's hitting all the things that you want to hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I saw him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw a bit of him at the calm by.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I really love the sweet swing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, my untrained, non-scouting eye like the sweet swing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now I see the, you know, the data supporting my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he's going to be, I could see him creeping into the into the first round of FYPDs because he's getting a lot of buzz on some other sites too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw it today because that

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the devil's rejects league, Brian Slack and I kind of have a team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's mostly his team and we grab Killby and every time someone on Twitter talks about Killby and applause at a way Slack sends me the, sends me the tweet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm up to date on what Dax Killby's doing right now and his short sample and so far it's looking pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we had a night team right out of the draft in terms of where we had them rank.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, we definitely viewed them as a top twenty player, you know, first round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, that's going to depend upon your league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what may be some of the news, if like Chase Lovio, let get Ninja'd, you probably maybe move him down a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think that's the thing with this class is there's a lot of interesting prep names, you know, just kind of across the board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not all of them have debuted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them are still in, you know, continuation camp and all that sort of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it'll be interesting a year from now how many of these guys are, you know, fuzzy names and it's going to be much deeper than just the guys that we ranked in the top twenty five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like last year that the best stock like the best hitters who made their professional debut in the small sample Perth stack ass were Nick Kurtz and Cam Smith and we know what happened to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like this might be you have those this year though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but I mean, the tax kill, he's just lighting up my sheet and red right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, it's, you know, it's only forty five played appearances or whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, maybe you know, under the underlying, this is the guy who's going to break out the most compared to what we think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think, you know, that's, that's probably the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just he kind of checks all the boxes of what you're looking for and you know he's handling a tough environment too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the thing that a lot of people miss sometimes is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just how hard it is to hit in the Florida State League.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I believe they're playing all their games, most of the time, unlike the backfields that are not playing in Steinbrenner because the rays are using that park.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's one of the reasons that you don't get broadcast to their games this year, because it's on the backfields.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I want to go on to another name here, a guy that I don't think would be out of

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[SPEAKER_01]: out of control to kind of call out as a potential September call up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's Ryan Clifford, the Metz.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is somebody that Robo Scout has long loved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've long been a Ryan Clifford stand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So talk to me a little bit about Clifford.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why Robo Scout likes him so much?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it's, it's pretty solid underlying data as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you, you made a pretty lofty comp in your right up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember who the cop was, but I know he's a three cheer to you compared him to Samuel Bassayov.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just number two on Bassayov.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right, right, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, Rose got us along like a Clifford if he go back, not last year with the year before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: since I have it right in front of me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His ninth percentile exevelocity was one of seven as a nineteen year old and that was higher than Bessaios, one of five point nine, one year younger Bessaios.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The contact is solid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He walks a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, he has the power and he has yet average contact at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, the ninth percentile exevelocity is one of five point five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It went back a bit, it slipped a bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the contacts slipped a bit as well, but it's still sixty eight percent, which is basically just under average, but he was hitting for power and hitting home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, when you have the exit velocity, like that is a twenty year old, this is like Bryce Aldrich, this is our modest, only KC, like that type of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Xavier Isaacs, but like with better contact, then, you know, that's what you like to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then this year, he's at one o eight point six is nine percent Alex velocity, which is higher than Samo Bassayo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: his contact has got up to seventy three percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's average now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's hired in Samuel Bessayo in AAA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't chase Bessayo has a bit of a chase issue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not an issue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he chases more than average.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Clifford is basically right on average because, you know, he takes a lot of pitches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he's got like, thirty five home run power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Forty home run power Clifford does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Robo Scout has his peak is like a three, fifty five OPP, one, fifteen WRC plus thirty five home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the whole package is there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had defensive metrics last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was above average.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like he's not that much of a liability at first base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's probably an okay first basement or if he plays right field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: or according he'll probably be okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think Ryan Clifford last year was I think a top ten in Robo Scout prospect, which looked aggressive, but you know now looking at him, he's number two in AAA just behind Bessaio and since he's in AAA is right on the customer being called up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's go to another AAA slugger here as we kind of wrap things up on a scale of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sleep mode to pressure explosion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How excited is the Robo Scout about Sal Stewart?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is very divisive in fantasy baseball circles and prospects circles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's say the Robo Scout about old Sal Stewart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I said, Clifford was like top ten last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for Roe was got, I think South Stewart was like number five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a Roy, Michael, Roy was number two in South Stewart was like in the top five, and that was controversial.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he hit all the boxes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hits the stack cast data.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was hitting all pitches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there were no pitch types that he was struggling against.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had the performance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only question which Robasco doesn't know it during during those calculations is what position he's going to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So is he second base?

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[SPEAKER_00]: May probably not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then will he hit enough for first base?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, Robasco looking smart again because he's crushing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's in AAA right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have him one, two, three, four, five, six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: seventh in triple egg behind some guys named Roman Anthony the sil Clifford Beaver's Owen Casey Bryce Eldridge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has nine home runs a guess at last last count.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I updated this for a couple days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, hundred and thirty nine plate appearances, Roba Scott season was a twenty five home run back to eighty batting average.

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[SPEAKER_00]: his stack ass date is great to his barrel rate is like double plus his ninety percent ilex velocity is one oh seven which would play as a first base like he has the he has the thump in the bat um to play first base he has a seventy nine percent contact rate he he chase as an average but like obviously he's actualizing everything he's doing he's hitting it at the right angles so um i would say robo scouts a big fan of substitute

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so the bolts are flying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can hear it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very excited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's good to hear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew that he was a guy that, you know, Robas got a long been on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's sort of a case for chasing guys that don't strike out a lot and, you know, walk at a decent clip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't necessarily walk a lot, but the context skills were always obvious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there is some underlying power there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we have seen some access to stat cast data, et cetera, that it was never bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of hit, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a high point at this point and there's been playing a lot of second base as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's maybe some opportunity for him to fit in somewhere between like first second, you know, obviously, I don't think he's ever playing third in the big leagues, but has played some third base as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting and I mean, he's, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: previous career high was twelve homeruns in twenty twenty three he's got twenty this year it's actually up to ten homeruns in AAA by the way so had ten in AA ten in AAA and those ten homeruns in AAA are only over thirty five games so that's really impressive and that will happen when you go from the southern lead to the international league so

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm not fully sold on, it's just it's a tough profile, but the fact that he does play a few different positions and the hit tool is so good with power.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That that tends to be the type of hitter that has a little, you know, sort of softer landing when it comes to, you know, their first taste of the big leagues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also not going to hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He could play his home games and create America ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's keep all that in mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that one quite a bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, Dylan?

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[SPEAKER_01]: To put a pin in it with wrap it up, we got some names that we're keeping on to cover.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to share them with you guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to read the Robo Scott articles, you know, who you're going after.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to thank Dylan for tuning in with me today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're calling me today coming on, you know, kind of stood up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of our baseball America subscribers and everybody who tuned in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Catch all y'all next week.