<v Speaker 1>Jare you Katy and Josh six one hundred?

<v Speaker 2>All right, this email came in about mean girl energy

<v Speaker 2>and Katie's like, we got to talk about this on

<v Speaker 2>the air, and then she shoved me down.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, now shut up and listen. Yep, Okay, So this

<v Speaker 3>comes from Marissa, who hit it on the head. She's like, JKJ,

<v Speaker 3>I'm really irritated this week. I have heard the phrase

<v Speaker 3>mean girl energy like four times, and it's starting to

<v Speaker 3>make me cringe.

<v Speaker 1>I heard it twice in.

<v Speaker 3>The office, once at a coffee shop and once in

<v Speaker 3>the school office at my kids' school. Yesterday, I led

<v Speaker 3>a strategy meeting that I was proud of, tight, focused, productive,

<v Speaker 3>But on the way back to my desk, I heard

<v Speaker 3>someone behind me say, Marissa's got that mean girl energy today,

<v Speaker 3>just loud enough for.

<v Speaker 2>Me to hear.

<v Speaker 1>What the heck?

<v Speaker 4>Right?

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So she goes on to say, I can stop

<v Speaker 3>thinking about it. What does mean girl energy even mean?

<v Speaker 3>That I'm direct, that I ask tough questions or don't

<v Speaker 3>cush in my feet back in fifty winki emojis, I'm

<v Speaker 3>not passive aggressive as a good line, right, Like my gosh,

<v Speaker 3>I don't gossip, I don't gate keep I just expect

<v Speaker 3>people to show up prepared and I hold them to it.

<v Speaker 1>Nothing wrong with that, right being a woman, absolutely, she says.

<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make me mean me this, No, it makes

<v Speaker 3>her a woman who knows what she's doing, and honestly,

<v Speaker 3>she says, I've sat in my living room a couple

<v Speaker 3>times just thinking and feeling stuck, wondering do I change

<v Speaker 3>how I communicate, soften everything, smile more, or do I

<v Speaker 3>keep showing up the way I do and risk more

<v Speaker 3>comments like that? She asked me specifically, Katie, have you

<v Speaker 3>felt this from other women before? How do you handle it?

<v Speaker 3>I'd love to hear what's helped you and your listening family.

<v Speaker 1>Thanks. I'll be listening and tuning in Marissa.

<v Speaker 2>Right now, right off the bat before. I don't know

<v Speaker 2>how much. I don't know what to say to this.

<v Speaker 2>I've never experienced it, But listen, ladies, if you heard that,

<v Speaker 2>if you are familiar with mean girl energy, you want

<v Speaker 2>to explain how it's happened in your life, maybe some

<v Speaker 2>sort of situation if you want to school me and

<v Speaker 2>Josh on the mean girl energy along with Katie three

<v Speaker 2>oh three six nine one one Mix three oh three

<v Speaker 2>six nine one sixteen forty nine. Phone lines are wide

<v Speaker 2>open if you want to comment on mean girl energy.

<v Speaker 2>If she's being so successful and just saying it like

<v Speaker 2>it is and she feels confident, then why are the

<v Speaker 2>why are the other women not acknowledging that and instead

<v Speaker 2>couching it as mean girl energy?

<v Speaker 3>And again, because she's coming off she's being direct, she's

<v Speaker 3>being you know, very abrupt, and she's being confident in that,

<v Speaker 3>and I think that that can come off as witchy

<v Speaker 3>behavior if you will, and it's not okay, Like just

<v Speaker 3>let me say that right now.

<v Speaker 1>It is not okay because I have come. And here's

<v Speaker 1>the thing is, if you're.

<v Speaker 3>On social media at all, you see the memes and whatnot.

<v Speaker 3>And I saw one that just, ugh, it says, let's

<v Speaker 3>normalize canceling mean girl energy.

<v Speaker 1>Sis.

<v Speaker 3>If you're over thirty and still got it, go to

<v Speaker 3>therapy or meditate grass heel.

<v Speaker 2>It's not cute.

<v Speaker 3>These are like TikTok trendy phrases.

<v Speaker 1>And that's what I don't like about it is that

<v Speaker 1>we as women.

<v Speaker 3>You know, if you a man, if you're the boss,

<v Speaker 3>right you come and tell me something I need to

<v Speaker 3>fix about myself because it's a hindrance upon our show, right,

<v Speaker 3>it's a hindrance or just like in the do a

<v Speaker 3>couple of times, well and seriously, but in the general

<v Speaker 3>scheme of literally, but if a guy tells you, as

<v Speaker 3>the manager, you need to fix something because it's not

<v Speaker 3>helping your cause, you wouldn't look at him.

<v Speaker 1>Like, wow, he's a big jerk.

<v Speaker 3>But if a woman, a woman does that automatically, she's

<v Speaker 3>viewed at being a witch with a B type of situation.

<v Speaker 1>And it's not fair.

<v Speaker 3>It's not because there is no such thing as boy

<v Speaker 3>mean boy energy.

<v Speaker 1>Right, have you ever heard that phrase? No, well no.

<v Speaker 2>Well maybe it's called b D energy big D energy.

<v Speaker 2>But confidence, that's different.

<v Speaker 1>That's a good thing. That's yeah, that is Yeah, people

<v Speaker 1>don't say you was just energy.

<v Speaker 2>And it's really because I feel like if I'm around

<v Speaker 2>a guy who's super cocky and doesn't take your advice

<v Speaker 2>and is kind of a jack wagon, I was like, Oh,

<v Speaker 2>he's rocking his big D energy. No, I think you'd

<v Speaker 2>say that's little D energy because that's that's you're compensating

<v Speaker 2>for something.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I really do.

<v Speaker 2>I mean I think that's it could be.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, no, that that's way and Here's the thing

<v Speaker 3>is like even like coming into new jobs, like I

<v Speaker 3>have been the person who's had to come into new

<v Speaker 3>jobs and kind of like feel out the landscape, if

<v Speaker 3>you will, kind of thing, you know. And I remember

<v Speaker 3>one job in particular that I came in and it

<v Speaker 3>was just hard for me to make friends there, and

<v Speaker 3>it was just like what am I doing. One of

<v Speaker 3>my friends actually told me, you know, you're kind of

<v Speaker 3>intimidating because.

<v Speaker 1>You wear sports stuff all the time, Like you're.

<v Speaker 3>Always wearing jerseys and you know, Nuggets this and Broncos this,

<v Speaker 3>and it's kind of into you almost look like you're

<v Speaker 3>a little hard to approach, a little unapproachable fashion.

<v Speaker 1>Because of my fashion.

<v Speaker 3>And so I took it upon myself to try and

<v Speaker 3>like change up my wardrobe a little bit, hoping to

<v Speaker 3>soften my image and be more approachable.

<v Speaker 1>And that it didn't even work.

<v Speaker 3>But the fact that somebody thought that they could tell

<v Speaker 3>me that that that was you know, worthy of my

<v Speaker 3>you know, telling me that kind of information. I was

<v Speaker 3>just like, Wow, why does it matter? Why can't I

<v Speaker 3>wear what I want? And people just I feel like

<v Speaker 3>I'm a pretty nice person.

<v Speaker 2>That's kind of on them. They're intimidated and don't feel

<v Speaker 2>right right, it's on them and then just shut up you.

<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm a pretty nice person and I

<v Speaker 3>approach people in a nice way. But that's the other

<v Speaker 3>thing is with this mean girl energy is sometimes people.

<v Speaker 1>Need you to be mean to them.

<v Speaker 2>You know what, I really.

<v Speaker 3>Sometimes people need you to throw a little mean energy,

<v Speaker 3>regardless of your sex, their way, just so you can

<v Speaker 3>show them what you won't and will accept. Right Like,

<v Speaker 3>I feel like that sometimes it's needed. It's it's not

<v Speaker 3>you can't ever be mean or mad type of thing.

<v Speaker 3>That's one of our emotions. That's one of the things

<v Speaker 3>that we as humans feel, and it's okay to let

<v Speaker 3>it out a little bit, right like, that shouldn't automatically

<v Speaker 3>make you a bad person. And I don't like that

<v Speaker 3>the mean energy thing is automatically making people a bad person.

<v Speaker 2>Where did this come from? Was this out of a movie?

<v Speaker 2>Was I mean? Was some women truly being mean? And

<v Speaker 2>this is where it came about?

<v Speaker 3>Well again, I think it's the TikTok trendy thing, and

<v Speaker 3>it is a reference to the legend of mean Girl's

<v Speaker 3>Regina George. Now, if you're being a Regina George then

<v Speaker 3>maybe you need to call down on that. But it's

<v Speaker 3>not fair to call everybody a Regina George.

<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean?

<v Speaker 2>Like, can you have us? Can you have mean girl energy?

<v Speaker 2>Say I'm the mean girl? I have mean girl energy

<v Speaker 2>by just like my aura and just being just having

<v Speaker 2>just a general attitude and not saying anything to you

<v Speaker 2>or not, you know, belittling anybody. Can you just have

<v Speaker 2>mean girl energy just that aura around you? Is that

<v Speaker 2>a thing?

<v Speaker 1>There's gotta be people who are like that.

<v Speaker 3>And I imagine if there's a person who's just mean

<v Speaker 3>in general, aka a Regie George looking to you, Oh

<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. Like, if she's just rude

<v Speaker 3>though to ruin people's lives, then that is an actual

<v Speaker 3>mean girl. But if you just are mean every once

<v Speaker 3>in a while because you're mad, like I don't, I

<v Speaker 3>just don't feel like that automatically makes you a mean girl.

<v Speaker 3>You know.

<v Speaker 2>Here's Courtney who just called in. If if any ladies

<v Speaker 2>want to sound off about this or dudes, I don't

<v Speaker 2>think you want to be a dude and sound off

<v Speaker 2>three h three six three h three six nine one

<v Speaker 2>sixteen forty nine sound off about mean girl energy? Courtney

<v Speaker 2>what do you think about it?

<v Speaker 4>I think that if somebody has the audacity to say

<v Speaker 4>that about you behind your back, they should be able

<v Speaker 4>to confront into your face. So I think that she

<v Speaker 4>should go and clear the air, especially if she's sitting

<v Speaker 4>mulling about it over the weekend, have a face to

<v Speaker 4>face conversation. Say like, I overheard you say this. I

<v Speaker 4>want to know what you mean by it. I think

<v Speaker 4>there are mean girls, yes, in like middle school. I

<v Speaker 4>think that's what it all points back to. Right, Maybe

<v Speaker 4>somebody's got some It's more about the person who has

<v Speaker 4>the criticism than it is about her. So I would

<v Speaker 4>get it off your chest, don't spin about it anymore,

<v Speaker 4>and go talk to her.

<v Speaker 2>Would that create even more of a mean girl atmosphere

<v Speaker 2>that than now you are confronting them about your issue?

<v Speaker 4>I know it's how you approach it, right, I heard

<v Speaker 4>you say this. I've been thinking about it over the weekend.

<v Speaker 4>I care about like the way I appear to people.

<v Speaker 4>If you have a problem with me, would you just

<v Speaker 4>talk to me about it?

<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, Like I would like to fix this situation, but.

<v Speaker 2>You don't want to change yourself. So what are you

<v Speaker 2>going to.

<v Speaker 4>Do if you're going to be no, no, no, no.

<v Speaker 4>But that's acknowledging that's her problem.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, mine, right exactly.

<v Speaker 4>Like I know, if somebody doesn't like the way I

<v Speaker 4>interact with them, they can either tell me it, you know,

<v Speaker 4>ask me to change something, or that's their own burden.

<v Speaker 4>They don't need to go spreading it, right, because then

<v Speaker 4>you're sharing all that mean girl, I mean saying that

<v Speaker 4>there's really the person who's saying that there's a mean

<v Speaker 4>girl is the mean girl, right, because they're and they're yeah,

<v Speaker 4>projecting that whole attitude through the office.

<v Speaker 2>Hey, I will tell you. I think you kind of

<v Speaker 2>nailed it though too. Where this kind of develops it

<v Speaker 2>the middle school. I mean, my daughter is uh fifth grade,

<v Speaker 2>this should be middle school next year, but I'm already

<v Speaker 2>seeing it, uh now amongst her little her little girlfriends

<v Speaker 2>who are just flat out mean for no reason at all.

<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, maybe this girl who's got the problem

<v Speaker 4>had some traumatic experience in middle school and it's playing

<v Speaker 4>out in adulthood. Truly, maybe you're calling her out and

<v Speaker 4>leading her on a better path just by bringing it up.

<v Speaker 2>I like this called Courtney. You're a friendly girl.

<v Speaker 4>Yes, I am nice. I like most people.

<v Speaker 2>It's true you have friendly girl energy.

<v Speaker 4>Court I do.

<v Speaker 2>Hey, thank you, thank you for calling in this morning.

<v Speaker 2>Have a great Monday. All right bye. Phone lines are

<v Speaker 2>open if you want to sound off about mean girl energy.

<v Speaker 2>Three h three six nine one Mix three three six

<v Speaker 2>nine one sixteen forty nine. We're getting a buttload of texts.

<v Speaker 2>Call us. Somebody was spouting off about the book that

<v Speaker 2>we just read, Katie the Let them please call in. Yes, yes,

<v Speaker 2>So what are your thoughts on mean girl energy.

<v Speaker 5>I think it's just different generations, to be honest with you,

<v Speaker 5>I think the.

<v Speaker 6>Way we grew up and I feel like a lot.

<v Speaker 5>Of parents are making their children too sensitive. The younger generations,

<v Speaker 5>they're just too sensitive. You can't say anything without you

<v Speaker 5>being the mean person. You know, it doesn't matter what

<v Speaker 5>the subject is.

<v Speaker 6>I feel like if.

<v Speaker 5>You make a comment they don't like it, then they

<v Speaker 5>feel offended. And you're not trying to be offensive, you know,

<v Speaker 5>you're just.

<v Speaker 7>Just sometimes state in your opinion and not even then

<v Speaker 7>but you know, like just say, you just point out

<v Speaker 7>facts and even though they know they're in the wrong, correct,

<v Speaker 7>you're still the mean person, right.

<v Speaker 2>But you're like you pointed that out look at the facts,

<v Speaker 2>like you're wrong in whatever situation you're in, and then

<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, you're the devil and you're the monster.

<v Speaker 5>Yeah. And I think with our generation, you know, I'm

<v Speaker 5>in my forties, late forties, we were up different. You know,

<v Speaker 5>it was like, hey, you just do what you gotta do.

<v Speaker 5>You take care of yourself, you know what I'm saying.

<v Speaker 5>Kids these days are so sensitive.

<v Speaker 2>These kids these days, Mandy.

<v Speaker 5>I know, I got kids. I have five of them,

<v Speaker 5>believe me, in all different generations, and they're too damn

<v Speaker 5>sensitive for me. I'm sorry, but they are.

<v Speaker 1>You're healthy if you hurt their feelers.

<v Speaker 2>Like spot.

<v Speaker 5>So true because even with my own children, you know,

<v Speaker 5>I like, hey, this is I've seen you do this. No,

<v Speaker 5>I didn't like, you know, and I'm the bad guy

<v Speaker 5>all the time, and I'm like, look, dude, I'm not

<v Speaker 5>trying to hurt your feelings.

<v Speaker 6>The fact, you know what I mean, Like, I've seen.

<v Speaker 5>You, you know you did it?

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, Yeah, I like doing that with my kids.

<v Speaker 2>And when they like something happens outside, they're denying and

<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong, and I'm.

<v Speaker 3>Then you n them that's.

<v Speaker 2>It because we're wise, Mandy and.

<v Speaker 6>We're on our light flot and you know, we gotta

<v Speaker 6>teach them to be And that's the sad part, I guess,

<v Speaker 6>because they're teaching the kids to be so sensitive and

<v Speaker 6>all you hurt my feelings.

<v Speaker 5>But this world is way tougher. I feel like than

<v Speaker 5>when we grew up could.

<v Speaker 8>Be be Mandy, you know what I mean.

<v Speaker 2>I appreciate this call. We're gonna wrap it up because

<v Speaker 2>I'm afraid some young people are listening and they're crying

<v Speaker 2>right now.

<v Speaker 6>Well, get some tissue.

<v Speaker 5>It's it's a tough world out there.

<v Speaker 1>That's right.

<v Speaker 7>A good day, You have a good one.

<v Speaker 2>Bye, all right, we'll do Shannon, Hey, Shannon, good morning,

<v Speaker 2>Good morning. So you are you familiar with mean girl energy?

<v Speaker 8>I not personally, but kind of like you were saying,

<v Speaker 8>my daughter's in fourth grade and it's there's so mean

<v Speaker 8>nowadays it seems like.

<v Speaker 2>I hate it.

<v Speaker 8>Yeah, Like she'll her best friend. She came home from

<v Speaker 8>school crying one day because all of a sudden, her

<v Speaker 8>best and said they're not friends anymore. But then the

<v Speaker 8>next week they were friends again. So I think there's

<v Speaker 8>a difference to me being a mean girl's people who

<v Speaker 8>constantly are belittling on other people. They're nitpicking, they're making

<v Speaker 8>fun of, maybe in a joking manner to them, but

<v Speaker 8>they're just nitpicking and kind of being mean just for

<v Speaker 8>the sake of themselves, maybe to make themselves feel better

<v Speaker 8>or whatever it is that they need out of putting

<v Speaker 8>somebody else down. But being direct and just upfront and

<v Speaker 8>knowing your business, that's not being mean, that's just knowing

<v Speaker 8>your job.

<v Speaker 2>That's just being wise and being confident.

<v Speaker 8>And yes, yes, exactly.

<v Speaker 2>I've always said I found that incredibly attractive when it

<v Speaker 2>comes to my wife because she's in a very male

<v Speaker 2>dominated industry. She's in you know, electrical engineering. Yeah, she's

<v Speaker 2>like one of the only few females in that industry.

<v Speaker 2>But she can hold court, she can you know, run meetings,

<v Speaker 2>and she will bust your balls and you know, and

<v Speaker 2>she I love it about her, unless you're so.

<v Speaker 8>I feel the same way. I work in finance, so

<v Speaker 8>it's mainly a male dominated field. So it there have

<v Speaker 8>been a couple times where men have tried to talk

<v Speaker 8>down to me because they think that they know more

<v Speaker 8>than I do because they're a man, and I'm like, no,

<v Speaker 8>I know what I'm talking about. Yeah, but there's just

<v Speaker 8>a difference. I think she should talk to him, maybe

<v Speaker 8>not be confrontational in a sense, but just be like, hey,

<v Speaker 8>this was really bothering me. I don't want you to

<v Speaker 8>have that impression of me. If there was something I

<v Speaker 8>did to make you think that I was being rude

<v Speaker 8>to you, could you please tell me? And I would

<v Speaker 8>love to fix it right.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in a perfect world, I feel like that would work.

<v Speaker 2>But then I feel like they'd still talk talk about

<v Speaker 2>her behind her back for some reason.

<v Speaker 8>Probably somebody is always going to talk about you.

<v Speaker 1>You have to let them right, yea, let the.

<v Speaker 8>Off. You can't talk at too seriously, somebody's always going

<v Speaker 8>to be a upset about something. Yeah, everybody happy?

<v Speaker 2>What a great call? You made us happy?

<v Speaker 7>Sure?

<v Speaker 8>Did you made me happy?

<v Speaker 2>Shannon? Have a great Monday?

<v Speaker 1>Made it weird?

<v Speaker 5>I will?

<v Speaker 8>It's my birthday?

<v Speaker 2>How old are you?

<v Speaker 8>Dirty? Thirty?

<v Speaker 5>Dirty?

<v Speaker 1>Happy birthday? Right on to it.

<v Speaker 2>What are you asking for for your birthday?

<v Speaker 8>Peace and quiet? I got three kids.

<v Speaker 2>I hope you get it when you blow out your

<v Speaker 2>candles exactly.

<v Speaker 1>Have a great Monday, Happy birthday.

<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. Katie was referring to that book Mel Robbins right, Yes,

<v Speaker 2>let them both. Katie and I read that book. Yeah,

<v Speaker 2>give a quick snop about it.

<v Speaker 3>It just essentially says that you can't control what other

<v Speaker 3>people do, and it'll drive you crazy trying to do that.

<v Speaker 3>So just let them do them and you just focus

<v Speaker 3>on what you can do and that'll serve you.

<v Speaker 2>It's easier said than done. You got to definitely work

<v Speaker 2>at it. I mean, we used it quite a bit

<v Speaker 2>in our industry when we get multiple text messages and

<v Speaker 2>phone calls every day telling us that we suck. Yeah,

<v Speaker 2>everyone as we sucks mostly, But you know, then we say, yeah,

<v Speaker 2>let them, let them have that opinion. We will roll

<v Speaker 2>on and continue to do an entertaining show.

<v Speaker 1>Does he know what? My mom loves me?

<v Speaker 2>Dang it, she loves me, So we tell ourselves she

<v Speaker 2>really loves me.

<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what. She wants you to call her too,

<v Speaker 1>by the way, saying

<v Speaker 2>Your mom's a good kiss her