[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the baseball America fantasy podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is your host Jeff on to long side me as always.

[SPEAKER_01]: My co-host Dylan White.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm back from my week of vacation.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been like every other week with this podcast, the last couple of weeks.

[SPEAKER_01]: How would she's about that?

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back to normally schedule pods all throughout the off season.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're already planning out our

[SPEAKER_01]: top 500 update and all the position rankings and prospect rankings and all that good stuff that we do in the off season.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's always kind of fun when like the game and musical chairs stops and the numbers stop and you can kind of just take a step back and really look at the season and you know what guys improved on and what they didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: And in that vein, Dylan,

[SPEAKER_01]: today we're going to be talking a little bit later about some pictures and some arsenal changes that they've made guys that have added velocity some guys lost velocity or maybe lost shape and certain pitches kind of covering the whole gamut before that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Couple of news and notes players that I wanted to sort of discuss before we got into that

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a long minute tirade for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll kick it over to you.

[SPEAKER_01]: How's it going?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's good, you own vacation.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you're all relaxed and you have to get back into talking again because you're quiet for a week.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, things are good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Good.

[SPEAKER_00]: The jays had a nice win this today and getting kind of caught up in the jays fever.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's nice kind of the home stretch now, boba shets injured, but, uh, you know, they, uh, the unsung heroes are stepping up as championship teams do.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this like Marco Scudaro and Joe Panic of yesterday, we got

[SPEAKER_01]: uh... Tyler high demand and as a kind of a lot of a kind of picking up the base uh... that was uh... that was a great moment last night actually uh... and that that company was it was last night right it wasn't yeah yeah yeah it was that that was uh... yeah that's what we're calling lines days at this point yeah

[SPEAKER_00]: So the, really, the great play of it, not the belabor this whole jays thing is that the Vlad play in the 10th, El Tuve on second base as the ghost runner and the ball was hit to first base on the ground of Vlad and he threw across the diamond to barge or playing third and they, and like, not a force if the tag amount, they tagged out El Tuve, like super gutsy play and it paid off, got him out, everyone got all

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think I heard a stat today from Dan Schillman that in two years, no one has ever tried that play.

[SPEAKER_00]: No one's attempted to throw across the diamond from first base to get the lead runner at third on a tag-out.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a risky play, but you know, Vlad likes to take risks and then it paid off.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that was good.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a very, very fun game to watch.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's fun, you know, the jays on this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Things are coming together.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really fun stretch run in, you know, a couple of these divisions, particularly the American League East.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there are a ton of good teams there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the ALS, there's, you know, three teams bunched up there.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's an exciting race as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, how these, and then, of course, the NL West, which might be the best division in baseball and so the Rockies, but yeah, I mean, you know, the way the giants have come back of late and then, you know, hot stretch over the last three weeks or so.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers obviously kind of come in down to earth and having that East Coast trip that was just dreadful, the pod race, you know, staying nipping on their heels.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really interesting how all these different races are going and.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of these sort of situations where depending on

[SPEAKER_01]: how things shake out over the next couple of weeks, the teams that are in third wildcard teams could be winning divisions and getting buys.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's all pretty close outside of, I guess you could say, for tigers and the brewers, like those are pretty the only teams that are kind of cakewalking right now in their division.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is kind of what they wanted with the expanded playoff format, more teams in the mix.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's very clearly, you know, a handful of teams that, you know, on the outside that potentially could be in the playoffs, but more so than that, I think it's really the jossling of positions among those prime playoff teams and then, you know, whoever kind of sneaks in and is in that six spot when the season ends when the music stops.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really interesting, but I wanted to.

[SPEAKER_01]: get into Conley early in his debut because I think what the red socks you're doing right now is obviously impacting their chances and I think potentially increasing their chances, you know, of a pretty good playoff run, bringing up all these different left handers, you know, totally really great in his debut.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a mixed bag since they call up Conley early.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's had quite a bit of success in his first start.

[SPEAKER_01]: 11k's, it was the most kz he's ever had

[SPEAKER_01]: Just an outstanding start against a pretty good lineup in the athletics who kind of looking at like, you know, WRC plus and and well, but that sort of thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think rank like 9th, 10th, 11th in terms of home run production.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, you know, and it run production at home, I can say, as opposed to home run production, but they're pretty high up there too.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're kind of a middle of the path offense.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like a top problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one's dog agrees.

[SPEAKER_01]: He does, he does.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been a while since we've had a dog on a podcast here at BA.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we have a long tradition of this day once.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's perfectly fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: This might be the first Canadian dog that we've ever had on now.

[SPEAKER_01]: cheers to you sir.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm excited about early.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was a great performance.

[SPEAKER_01]: We saw the quality of the change up.

[SPEAKER_01]: He held the velocity that he gained this year kind of deeper into starts.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it was holding it into the 50th inning last night, 93, 94.

[SPEAKER_01]: They almost, you know, reached to 95 in the last inning.

[SPEAKER_01]: The quality of the secondaries, the diversity of the secondaries, we talk about this a lot more.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like now when we talk about pitchers is having that diversity within the arsenal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not everybody has two seventies, like, you know, or eighties, like Spencer Strider, whatever grade you want to put up, you know, plus plus to, you know, a leap pitch.

[SPEAKER_01]: There aren't a lot of guys that have that, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know,

[SPEAKER_01]: even Paul schemes is proven that having that diversity in his arsenal took him to another level and allowed him to have this great success that he's had as a professional and I think we're seeing that more and more.

[SPEAKER_01]: Early has that he's got three years from breaking ball shapes.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to change up that's really good, but on top of it, now I'm going to go and look at some of the data I haven't today, but at times home manipulate that, make it look a little bit more like a splitter and then other times it almost looks a little more like a kick change.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he really has feel for his arsenal and kind of that pitchability component, plus sort of the deception that I think all adds up.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he had some success and I think the greater point I wanted to talk about, and I mentioned this to you, Faredo.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's, when looking at some of these deeper leagues that you're in and you're in the stretch run, I'm in a few leagues where you know, 30 team leagues where, you know, we have sort of a playoff structure and it goes from a road to league all throughout the season to like head to head over the last few weeks to crown an actual winner.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know it's madness, but we enjoyed it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I wish I had some of that starting gap because I feel like in deeper leagues,

[SPEAKER_01]: the depth of starting pitching.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really hard to find it on the waiver wire.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to acquire and trade.

[SPEAKER_01]: It costs a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Your best bet is kind of building this stash of, you know, in your minor spots of,

[SPEAKER_01]: higher minors, pitchers or higher upside college guys that are drafted, because they can all move pretty fast.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're still good bets, like maybe Trayis Savage doesn't get called up this year, but Payton told he does, but you can kind of load yourself up with those guys and know that with an era two, or even that same era, they could be called up.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think,

[SPEAKER_01]: going after guys that are starting the year in AA and AAA and just building up as many of those starters as possible in deeper leagues is super valuable.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're in a 12 team league where you can go and pick up a lot of these guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're starting pitchers available, you know, that's a different story, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think when you're in deeper leagues where you have some of that flexibility to call guys up between your minor isn't back and forth.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's always valuable to have a few of these guys, especially as you get into the last month the season and like I thought you were one team that you know finished first in my league and was really good.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's bruised and battered going into the playoffs man and I don't have like three healthy starters left and I think I started the season with like

[SPEAKER_01]: 14 guys that would pitch in the major leagues and a starting capacity on my roster in some way, shape, or form.

[SPEAKER_01]: So even had some of those prospect starters, I wish I had even more.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's a way to kind of stretch your bent, that adds some depth.

[SPEAKER_01]: you know, compile innings pitched and to a lesser extent with hitters, I think played appearances as well, which at the end of the day is kind of the name of the game in fantasies, but especially with Roto or even head to head, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, the more it bats, the more innings pitched, especially if they're of quality, the better you're doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you're on to something.

[SPEAKER_00]: You talked about a couple of weeks ago how like triple

[SPEAKER_00]: The the strike zone, the ABS all that stuff is like really tough and so they're coming into major leagues and they're doing quite well and like this year the Robo scout like success rate on triple A pictures was like so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not to.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not to, you know, pet myself in the back, but it was just like obviously there's the tongs and the chase burns is and then like the guys you expect are are are good are going to be good, but it's like the Jacob low pass like Ian see more like these guys were not.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like well regard highly regarded not well regard highly regarded prospects like they're not like the cream of the crop that you're you're you're hearing about all the time Troy Nelson.

[SPEAKER_00]: These are guys who are probably were available brand and Walter keep just coming up with names as I think of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: that we're probably widely available in your leagues, started doing well in AAA, the upper levels, and then they came into the majors and actually had a lot of success.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think, I think you're honest, something you can get these guys super cheap.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got Troy Melton for cheap, Jacob Lopez, I've had on my team, he's injured now, but he was doing well, Cam's Schlittler.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was getting a bit of buzz, so maybe he doesn't really fall into that role, but he wasn't really, like he wasn't a top 100, he wasn't really a top 200 coming into the year at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: but once he started performing, he could pick him up and so I'm kind of like James Anderson talks about it a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: How he doesn't like the lower level pitchers.

[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to invest in them at all, obviously it's not like his theory, but he really adheres to it and like he's totally on to something there because there's always upper level guys we just pop up and just become great like Spencer Schwellenbach last year just kind of like out of the blue and quotes and just became a

[SPEAKER_00]: like immediately almost.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's that's a really good strategy, not to kind of advertise for Roscoe, but I think like just looking at the upper level rankings of robust get through the year, I think that you'll go a long way in doing well and you're done, I see the extra cheap.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think, you know, um, if you're adding lower level pitchers, you know, most of the time, it's kind of like what is left that's not, you know, crap on your way of a wire, like in a people league, like sometimes you're adding cadence car broke, she'll like, hey, this guy is a lot more upside then.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, whoever this backup in field there is or like, you know, potentially, you know, like, you know, um, like a guy who's going to end up in a relief situation or whatever, like, yeah, I mean, I think there's definitely a lot of wisdom in that for sure, but I don't know how frequently like, I don't know, I mean, like I think people want crazy over like Esteban, but he, uh,

[SPEAKER_01]: and some of those guys, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, like, sometimes those guys turn out to be like Yuri Perez, like, so, you know, it's a dangerous game, but I do think that the odds are probably in your favor.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: Adam, those guys, I just always try to include him in trades.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like, when the height machine is high on those guys, like you have Kevin to Frank right now,

[SPEAKER_01]: Like the height machine is high and I'm like not totally sold that any of those like DSL pictures the stuff is great awesome there's a long road especially for pictures right like with hitters I think it's a little different because let's we saw like those guys like money.

[SPEAKER_01]: can be in AA by the end of the next season, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it could be in the majors in like two years.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's not gonna happen with a DSL picture.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like even, it's just like, you know, Yuri would be like, it's like the rare exception, but like more often than not, you're gonna go through like a rough patch with those guys when they first come over.

[SPEAKER_01]: And

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like trading some of those complex standouts like early, you don't necessarily regret because you're probably going to be able to add them again when they get dropped after their first Tommy John surgery or something and someone can't keep them.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like you go to trade a Juan Valera or you go and then like add it back like there's I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I think going into next year though, like a guy like Gage Stanford, I think is super interesting and probably isn't going to be, you know, crazy expensive like I'll go through some of these names like David Hagman who's in high A will probably start next year in Delay.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see how he doesn't AFL, but like he's a name that's probably not going to be super expensive, but could be a guy like a year from now.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, hey, David Haggman's like making starts for the Diamondbacks.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like all of those names are definitely possible.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think

[SPEAKER_01]: Going into the offseason the high A guys are almost worth chasing, especially if they did decent sample at high A because they're probably going to be AA signies or up within a month if they shove right because totally fell into that category of like a high A guy and I and I do think that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Pictures for the most part move pretty fast through triple A now like if they have success there and if there's an opportunity to move that guy up and he's not many years away from his rule five eight.

[SPEAKER_01]: more often than not those guys do get called up because there's just so many pitching injuries and not even long term ones, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, just guys going down on 15 to 20 days of rest after, you know, a minor tweak or something like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think like you need so many starters if you're a major league team that all those guys are in play, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't come into the

[SPEAKER_01]: at the end of the season.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, but you could have looked at him and said it's a double-aist starter and the chances and opportunities that that guy is going to get that opportunity or a lot better than, you know, even taking like an able hitter, I think a lot of the time, you know, especially as you get deeper into these drafts, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: I totally agree.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think for DCs, for example, like I'm really like my most successful DC, this year's the one that we drafted like kind of right after the season ended.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it was like November.

[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the early ones were before like ADP is settled before like the prospect lists have come out before the I think even steamer had like updated their projections yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, if you kind of have your finger on the pulse of the prospects, you could get like Nick Curz and these guys cheap Matt Shaw, even Cam Smith, and so like I'm really going to like, in the last couple of weeks in the season, really digging into the upper level pitchers and hitters who I think may make huge contributions to DCs.

[SPEAKER_00]: So definitely definitely a, a, a tactic to use here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: One, a couple of guys I wanted to shut out.

[SPEAKER_01]: We can go through some of these pretty quickly right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's from a shout out, DAX Killby.

[SPEAKER_01]: We had them pretty high in the FYPD list.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you remember, I had them shoved up pretty high.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it might look low now in comparison to anybody who like updated their FYPD list and like the last week and a half, but She went a lot of trades like the angles are quite there yet.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like a texture S wing.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the traits and attributes and athleticism and all that stuff that I really liked is already begun to show and there's There's pretty a play skill like if I'm not mistaken off that would check, but like His walk rates higher than a strike out rate if I'm not mistaken.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to pull that up, but it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like everything was really clicking in a full season level and it's just rare that you see that with the high school player of the draft.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the upside is immense.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the guy that like we were high on, but at this point when we redo the FYPD have to move them up a couple of more spots.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think, you know, a clear first round or an clear upside guy and kind of depending on

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, where you're drafting in your league, like if you're after pick 12 or 13, so like the good college starters are gone and some of those like college couple of college bats that might move quick.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the top high school guys, like, I think Kiwi is not a bad bet.

[SPEAKER_01]: You may end up looking like a genius, you know, taking them.

[SPEAKER_01]: at 12 or 13 or something.

[SPEAKER_01]: Couple other ones, some white socks related news and notes here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Noah Schultz and Brady Montgomery both done for the season.

[SPEAKER_01]: Montgomery could actually return in AFL they said.

[SPEAKER_01]: Got a fractured foot after dealing with the ankle injury.

[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, that took him out of his college season.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's starting to become a little injury prone and it's funny because

[SPEAKER_01]: It's all lower like half like fractures and injuries that I think are kind of just like free stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but it is kind of like there's some irony in the fact that he stopped pitching and playing two way and now has been injured more consistently as a position player, but you know, I think it's just, I think it's just bad luck and these are the kind of things that could go away quickly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of spent my vacation kind of digging in on some prospects and pitching prospects and watching all this film and like kind of get my own personal thoughts together on them and um Shelter's a weird one.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like he needs he's got this cutter but he needs like another pitch um and

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like he has like no extension there's not a lot of deception despite this like long arm action.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I just kind of feel like you know where the ball is coming every single time because every pitchy throws kind of hooks in.

[SPEAKER_01]: But for whatever reason it almost feels like the movement is almost like so early that hitters are picking up on it like it's not late break.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know,

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like his velocities down a little bit too.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's going deeper into starts.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like a three-ending hero for years, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So part of it is like, I think he's learning to pitch.

[SPEAKER_01]: Might even deal in with some nicks and bruises and bumps that just come with a lot more innings and a lot more pitches on a per appearance basis than anything he had ever done in his life prior to that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like watching the tape, like it just wasn't like the weird nasty funk, where you're like, oh man, like that's nasty stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: You'll see it every so often, but it wasn't that consistent, and it was just really hitable, you know.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the defense behind him doing do a lot of favors and we'll say that to his credit like I think like his infields pretty bad there was a lot of like dinks and dunks and a lot of hits, but then eventually like guys just start teen off on it like it's not like he avoided barrels and you know I kind of broke down the numbers and it was like, you know he was just getting like demolished on the secondary pitches and his sinker like the numbers just weren't good so.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, back to the drawing board for him, he's, he's an opera miners guy that I don't think I would bet on next year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that scares me a little bit and I feel like the acquisition cost is probably going to be really high.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, if someone gives up on him and you can add him and he's even a shallow league like, yeah, I think I probably would like take the chance that he returns to form if he's like feeling my last prospect spot, you know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, other one I wanted to call out was Liam Doyle, uh, me and his debut stuff looked pretty good.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's now been promoted to AA because, uh, low-A pop on beach season is over high AP oria season is over.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to AA.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably the level that I would assume.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably going to begin the season at next year.

[SPEAKER_01]: He'll probably return to AA Springfield.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm an advanced SEC guy, there's nothing he should be proving in, you know, Abel.

[SPEAKER_01]: Liam Doyle is a guy that could potentially be up next year, especially if he performs at the level we think he's going to perform in the environments like Springfield and Memphis, which are the tours that good evening parks and leagues.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think and then of course, get passing with the AAA sniff test, which we talked about.

[SPEAKER_01]: that will be interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: There might be a little more growing pains in terms of adding secondarys, but the profile is not that different from Peyton Toli in terms of like unique fastball traits with velocity from a lefty who has good enough secondarys to throw them, but meets to sharpen those and improve them.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think you could get some Major League starts next year, I don't think that's another question.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you dug in or looked at any of the Doyle stuff from the initial start.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not not since not since it's college data, but I think any anyone who's finishing the year in double A is pretty much not guaranteed, but going to be up in the majors as long as they're they're good because they'll start in double A and then like April May if they're performing if what if they're doing what we expect Liam Doyle or like hazeus mod A is going to do they're going to get promoted to triple A and then.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, after a month or two, it's going to be clamoring to get them up.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like just a slow development pace, they're going to be up in the like final third, like August September, assuming no injury is assuming no like terrible performance and then in some cases they may be up way earlier.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think yeah Liam Doyle is almost guaranteed to be up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and anyway, like I said, anyone who kind of finishes in double it is probably going to be playing in the major leagues next year, marring unforeseen tragedy, I suppose that's possible.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, we're going to dive into the second half of the show in a minute, we're going to quick break.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and we are back Jeff Ponds, Dylan White.

[SPEAKER_01]: Baseball America fantasy podcast, we are talking about some pictures now that changed some arsenals.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to start with a couple of marlins off the top deal and talk to me about Robbie snowing and Thomas White.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would say two ascending pitching prospect values at the moment in real life as well as in fantasy, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, both these guys could debut next year and look like big dogs.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, both these guys may debut this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're all both in AAA.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, Robbie Snelling was kind of mediocre last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't really popping on Robo Scott at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: This year, he kind of took a step forward.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's one of the top AAA picture.

[SPEAKER_00]: pictures in general of RoboSket.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at the arsenal, you can kind of see why, basically all of his pitches have gained velocity and gained stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, he sat 92 Touch 96 this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: He sits 94 and has Touch 98.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a gain of 2 miles an hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: His slider was 80 miles an hour and now it's 84.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's four miles an hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: The change up is faster as well kind of pacing with the increase in velocity in the fore seam.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then the skirt ball, which was 79 miles an hour, is now 82 miles an hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: just velocity wise, strength wise, he's gained there.

[SPEAKER_00]: The curve ball used to have five inches of horizontal break and now it's 10 inches of horizontal break.

[SPEAKER_00]: The spin rate has gone up from 2300 to 2500 RPM.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's basically long story short has just drastically improved his arsenal across the board.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just like he's found V-Low on one picture.

[SPEAKER_00]: He now gets good break on the slider now.

[SPEAKER_00]: and improved his stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: So a huge win for the Marlins there, Robby Snelling and Triple A, like on the Cusp of debuting, probably one of the guys I'll be targeting next year in DCs, just because he's probably not going to be as expensive as the Tollies and the Tongues and the Nolan McLean's and the Chase Burns is for sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's definitely not going to be, but you know, he could come up pretty early in the season and be pretty dominant.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tom is why kind of basically the same story.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's always, he's had the pedigree right from from the draft.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's been so young.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, there was kind of a long way, but this year, he's just really improved his arsenal across the board as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much the same story is robby snowing.

[SPEAKER_00]: miles an hour now.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have as much sweep.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like a tight bullet slider, where the IVB is up, and there's not as much sweep, but you know, he's got 12% more whiffs on it, and 12% more chases on it as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just pretty much Thomas White has increased and kind of met the pedigree that everyone was talking about how you could be, you know, an ace of a staff pretty much and he's so young, you know, he's in AAA and all the arsenal of movements kind of support all that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100%.

[SPEAKER_01]: So those are names you're going to be targeting that one is what you're saying.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I'm leaning more smell it like in redraft for 2026.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm leaning more snowing than wait Just because I think they're gonna they're gonna bring them up earlier than white.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he's I think you're bringing it on Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's very much possible And maybe white they want to kind of like baby a bit because he's a bit younger Kind of slow play on a bit more so but definitely those are guys very good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Me and the majors next week

[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this guy would be in the majors next year, but he is on a team in an organization where he could move quickly if things keep progressing this way, but Christian opera, know what your thoughts are on Christian opera.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now you called him out as a guy that obviously the performance has been way up this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: We wrote about that early in the season, but the stuff changes have held as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: So what's your take there?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, his stuff across the board has improved year over year, basically a four seam change up slider guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: His four seam was 92, touching 98.

[SPEAKER_00]: This year it's 95, touching 100.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like that's pretty significant.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's in high A now.

[SPEAKER_00]: The extension has gone up as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: So not only does he have velocity, but he has like effective velocities improved his extension last year's like 5.2 and now it's 5.6 feet.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's he's really kind of like that fast pulse now kind of a weapon.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas it wasn't as much in the past.

[SPEAKER_00]: The slider the stuff is improved it was 79 miles an hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's now 80 miles an hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: So hasn't really gone up that much, but the horizontal break is drastically move from five inches to 12 inches.

[SPEAKER_00]: So huge horizontal break.

[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of that's the spin rate is up.

[SPEAKER_00]: 151 RPM, so he was 2250, now he's at 2400, so that's a pretty fairly high spin slider, so yeah, he's got three pitches for seem got the change up to get the same side are the opposite side batters and then like the slider to get.

[SPEAKER_00]: the plated, the non-plated managed batters.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you describe it from my picture point of view.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, huge stuff on the white socks.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's actually quite performed well.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've talked about him on the Robascott article as the last couple of weeks because he's actually performing well on the last month as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think in an organization like this, he obviously could move pretty fast and they've relied on a lot of homegrown pitching as well over the last couple years.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll be, you know, sort of interesting to see how you progress, but it's certainly like interesting changes and the jump and stuff, etc.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, all matters quite a bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Next time I want to talk about with you is JR Richie and he talked to me a little bit about some of the mechanical changes of just, you know, trying to get behind the ball and sort of get down hill a little bit more, lower arm slots, some of those things that him and the Braves had worked on this off season and doing some of your research, you actually found some of these changes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he across the board.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think 2023, he was popping early on Robuscat and then he went down

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think he basically missed all the last year if I'm not mistaken or pitch not that much last year, so when you come back and tell me, John, you almost kind of see like that velocity bump, um, probably a lot of it is, you kind of lost velocity at the end of the year, you're also you're training and you're you're working on the muscles during your, uh, your rehab, um, but he is across the board.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, just like Robbie snowing like we talked about there across the board.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's added velocity.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was 92.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's now 93 and a half.

[SPEAKER_00]: the flatness on that fastball as well is he's gotten flatter.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was minus 4.5 degrees, which is already quite flat and now it's minus 4.2.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's coming in from a lower release height too, so that's probably contributing and he's added extensions.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of the same story that we're talking about where not only you're adding velocity but you're adding extensions so that the effect of velocity that the batters are seeing, it's like even more.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he was always kind of a Robosco darling, now that he looks like he's healthy, I'm sure he's going to be pop in next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: So another picture in the Braves organization with like extension and flatness, especially flatness, like did he if went to and these guys strider obviously.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think maybe the league is catching on to the flatness thing and these kind of outlier guys low release height flatness.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean this is not something that.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're just talking about now that we can talk about this for years, but, you know, they have a type in JRH seems to be that type.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and Murphy and other guys same thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and those are the good names.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those are all the good names.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the players that we're going to talk about with positive light.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we're going to talk about some negative stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: Some guys wear stuff backed up, philosophies down.

[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, we're going to talk about personal favorite of mine for a long time, because he's just fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: Tinkhence of the cardinals.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this feels like it has been a roller coaster ride for the last three years with Tinkh.

[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it's kind of materialized

[SPEAKER_01]: you know, deteriorating stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, what are your thoughts on hands?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, the sample thought is the series in this high.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's kind of the opposite story of what we're talking about with snowing and Richie and Thomas White.

[SPEAKER_00]: His velocity on his all his pitches has backed up.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was 94 on the foreseen.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's now 92.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was pretty flat at minus 4.7.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's now minus 4.9, so less flat.

[SPEAKER_00]: The IVB drop from 16 and a half inches to 15 inches.

[SPEAKER_00]: The extension has even dropped was 6.1 and now it's 5.7 and 5.7 is actually, you know, below average extension.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the fastball and then like the slided of the breaking pitches.

[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of backed up as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it's just.

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, kind of disappointing because he was always a guy, I'm Robuszka that was pop and because he was younger for the level, um, always, although he was going in kind of the short starts, like three innings and out kind of like you're talking about with no shults, um, he was performing during those times, so it's like we wanted to get some length.

[SPEAKER_00]: We wanted to, you know, put pitching up our levels and now it's kind of stuff seems to be backing up.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a bit of a sad story.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was actually dropped in my 15 team dynasty league and wasn't picked up was not picked up for like two weeks.

[SPEAKER_00]: He got picked up last week, but yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was tempted to grab him and I'm not really regretting it right now for all the reasons we're talking about where you can always find some new guy in the upper levels.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, kind of a sad story for Tinkens right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: But everything could change in 2020 to a six because he's got the pedigree and he's got the arsenal still.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's although it's taken a step back, it's still pretty solidarist.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I for one agree with that and hope that he does come back to form.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have to worry just with the lack of physicality because he is a more slight guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not even height.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's just not very big.

[SPEAKER_01]: That maybe he just can't handle the rigors of consistent starting pitching and holding his stuff all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think the relief risk is very real on him.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I tend to be somebody who poop-poo-poo's relief risk on were pitching prospects than most people do.

[SPEAKER_01]: another guy who has no relief risk because he's never really thrown enough hard enough to be a reliever, but Jaden Ham was a name that, you know, I liked sort of coming out of spring training in 2024.

[SPEAKER_01]: You had a pretty good season.

[SPEAKER_01]: The stuff was down in spring training and it seems like it's kind of held check in that vein throughout the season.

[SPEAKER_01]: So what are your thoughts on Jaden Ham?

[SPEAKER_01]: I should probably see him in next week when I go out to CBL Tuning Eerie series.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I had him as a breakout in 2024 as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Had him on a couple teams, but yeah, this year, the stuff has step back.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically two miles an hour and down across the board.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was 92, he's now sitting like 90, two and a half.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's now sitting like 90.6.

[SPEAKER_00]: the slider, sorry, yeah, the slider step back a bit, but the curveballs down two miles an hour, the change up down two miles an hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: He comes in over the top, like his release height is high.

[SPEAKER_00]: So his IVB still stays high, still 20 inches and looks good, but like, cousin coming in from the top, like the flatness isn't really there.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I mean, it's a little higher too, right, like, you know, with a lower slot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: So,

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, two miles an hour is pretty significant.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like now sitting 91, like you want to be, not you want to be, but like 95 miles an hour is the average fastball now in the major.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's got a ways to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a bounce back to where he was, and then also build on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm a bit worried about Jane Ham.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the Tigers have a lot of good arms right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to kind of be buried.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he will be, maybe he'll be a reliever because of that kind of that unique arms slot he has.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm a bit, I'm a bit leary of J. Names.

[SPEAKER_00]: Prospects as a starting pitcher.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, you know, we'll see.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he's not like a super athlete either, so it's not like he's going to come back like super physical, moving different like,

[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of a concern, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we'll see what happens with him.

[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe he can get back to sort of having that elite command of his stuff and getting all the results that he was getting previously.

[SPEAKER_01]: Other guy I wanted to call out here, Angels Pitching Prospect, Sam Aldigeria, obviously acquired the deadline last year.

[SPEAKER_01]: From the Phillies, what are your thoughts on Aldigeria?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because he's another guy who stuff has been down this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, this is kind of the same sad story as with Ham.

[SPEAKER_00]: So with all the Jerry, his stuff was never incredible.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was more performance versus stuff and then when the Philly straighted him to the angels and the angels as they do put him in the majors.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not that successful.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the stuff was already mediocre.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's down again.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of below 100's on our stuff plus model.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he was 92 miles an hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's now 90.6.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's step back.

[SPEAKER_00]: He topped out at 96 miles an hour last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's now down 94.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Ivy Beast down the flatness is the way worse.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was at minus five, which was pretty good.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now he's at minus five point five.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[SPEAKER_00]: So assuming he's not really changing drastically like the locations.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty significant.

[SPEAKER_00]: The sliders down two miles an hour was 84.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Sarah talks about 85 miles an hour kind of being like the magic velocity one on sliders.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was basically there at 84 now he's down to 82.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it just looked like the stuff is stepped back.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was, it was never kind of there to begin with.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm worried being in the angels, like I don't know how much development's going to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean team, he may be pitching in the majors, but whether he not, whether or not he deserves to be based on his underlying stuff in his performance or may as to be seen.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, all the Jerry's kind of a name where I'm a bit,

[SPEAKER_00]: Disappointed in that I was hoping you'd take a step forward.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the angels kind of being submerged as a team that just accelerates the players through the system without any development.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to see some some progress, because we have seen some and some of their pitching and stuff, and I like kind of their draft.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're picking stuff guys like Chris Cortez and Ryan Johns and guys like that that I have interesting traits.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, this one looks a bit disappointing.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not going to have all the Jerry, even though you're pushing the majors, I'm not going to have them on any D.C.

[SPEAKER_00]: Next year, I don't think.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's probably a good plan.

[SPEAKER_01]: Especially like any of the angels, guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: I generally get like little wary of those guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, for example, like I'm probably going to stay away from Tyler Brownner.

[SPEAKER_01]: He ended up somewhere else.

[SPEAKER_01]: I might even get him on Brownner.

[SPEAKER_01]: probably gonna stay away, you know, the short path to the major leagues is not necessarily a good thing for your ratios.

[SPEAKER_01]: So.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to back off from some of those guys, even if I know they kind of fit into the category that we talked about at the top of the show, here at the end of the show, I'm still going to say the exception is angels.

[SPEAKER_01]: They get the asterisk on them in this conversation.

[SPEAKER_01]: At least for me, maybe it's different for Dylan, Dylan, we've got 44 minutes here.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked a lot of stuff, particularly pertaining to how to target and what pitching prospects are on the upswing, which might be who to target.

[SPEAKER_01]: Really good discussion.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we've got to have you on again.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back next week for Jeff Ferdel and thanks for tuning in.