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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody JJ Cooper Carlos Colazzo here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm for bouncing around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had Jacob Rodner on a prospect podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm joining a podcast to talk about draft

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just mixing it all up over here at Baseball America this week, but we hope you enjoyed the podcast and the videos.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm on here this week because Carlos and I were both together at the under armor, all American game, the next, the under armor, the next, all American game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Camden yards last weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were there Friday for workouts and Saturday for the game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love getting a chance to see the next high school class.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see nearly as much as Carlos does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: my little, I get to drop it and I have something about this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like this specific event, the baseball factory, all the American game, the interim, all the American game is always the event that outside of anything at USA baseball and Kerry, this is like the one event on the amateur side that I do consistently see you at JJ.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I don't know what the single event I've seen you at the most since I started at least in 2017.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it was nice to to make that happen again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a home game for me, but yeah, fun event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a home game for you and it was a bus ride for me basically.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was a driveable distance for me, so but I did want to kind of just, you know, so what we're going to do today on this is kind of talk about some of the players who stood out and maybe put a little bit of bow on the, you know, just kind of the the summer because this is kind of, I would say it's kind of these, he is the, we still have obviously rolled wood back coming up, but rolled wood back is not summer, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're playing an October, that's not summer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is kind of the bow on the summer showcase

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[SPEAKER_02]: kids are back in school.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you know, ATU also, the team USA just won the gold medal, as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like we kind of ended the summer showcase circuit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But as you mentioned, this is an event that's been going on for years, but I would say at the same time, like this was kind of Camden Yards, you know, like it's a, it's a new venue for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like it's kind of a step forward as they kind of, you know, kind of build this, you know, back further up and all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What was like, if you had a main takeaway from the underarmer game, what jump out?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, there are a lot of good hitters we saw in action.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a very offensive forward game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: 11 to 11 tie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We do not do extras and a lot of these showcases, just because you don't want to run a bunch of the arms into the ground.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You kind of have a set number of arms that you're pitching and so that's kind of how that works in terms of the win loss and the competition of the game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I thought it was a good event.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's a tricky time on the calendar for this event, because like you mentioned, Team USA is playing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of the players who I would imagine would otherwise be participating in this event were suited up for the stars and stripes and playing on the other side of the world.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it was a pretty solid field.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it's a 40-man roster.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We had 25 players on this roster who are ranked on our top 200.

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[SPEAKER_03]: board most recent updated top 200 board for the high school class of 2026.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I felt like there was a good amount of depth we could see from the class.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There are a number of players you could kind of bear down on that maybe you hadn't been focusing on throughout the summer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There are some familiar names like Bowen was back at it again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe one of the more impressive hitters that I've seen throughout this summer, and it's almost become normalized to me how well he does, so he wasn't one of the players that I specifically picked out and mentioned in this piece that's on the site now if you want to get kind of into the weeds on a few hitters and pitchers that stood out from my perspective, there are notes and videos on 11 players there, but I thought it was just a really good way to kind of cat the summer, like you were mentioning, I mean, four different players,

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[SPEAKER_03]: this format, this kind of event is really good for evaluation purposes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You get to see defense, you get to see some workout environment, you get to see BP and a big leg park, which is always very telling and we also had the kind of added fun of seeing high schoolers swinging with wood, maybe getting a more true example of what the raw power is looking like currently, and then spice things up a little bit with metal bass that you a little bit more distance compared to contrast because we saw the same players

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[SPEAKER_02]: They took a BP, what if we call a professional BP, you know, with wood bats, or you could really say, okay, this is what this player is like a wood, and then they broke out the, the, the, the little bit hotter bats, which is yeah, you know, like again, we know that, at general Metal slash composite is hotter than wood, but Oh, no, no, but you could tell because the balls were carrying a lot more, and, but as you said, the thing about it is is is like

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[SPEAKER_02]: how much of what value you get is from the game versus the workouts around the game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because like you said, Friday, we got BP, we got in and out, you know, if you check out the video at Baseball America, I would say a lot of it's from that, you know, and then you have then on Saturday, again, we got BP in and out, and then we had, you know, we also had homerunned air vision and then we had a game where you have live action, all that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of what you're getting is kind of from the other parts of the workout part, is it not?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is probably the case for most of the events that we go to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think in general, the Scouting Community really values the workout setting because you get a really good idea of tools and physicality and just sort of bucketing players in terms of likely profile and role.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In a showcase game like this, especially for hitters.

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[SPEAKER_03]: some of the guys especially catchers kind of subbing in and playing half the game you're getting to play appearances I mean one of the players that we highlighted and one of his play appearances he got hit by a pitch so we had like a single AB and it was a good result and that one AB that he actually had but

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you are just not getting much to hit in one of your handful of ABs, you might not really have a chance to impact the game in any capacity, depending on where you're playing defensively.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, just seeing how players move in the field, when they're doing their defensive reps and the pro-style workout, you get a good understanding of like, okay, does he have the requisite tools and actions to play exposition?

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[SPEAKER_03]: How does his arms stack up in the alfield?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think one of the better examples of this from a player that we highlighted,

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[SPEAKER_03]: in the piece on the site was Jensen Varus, an alfielder at TNX L Academy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a high school program that always has stand up players and basically every year it seems like committed to Florida State.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I felt like even before the game took place, it was very apparent that Jensen Varus is a profile that has a lot of upside.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a tremendous frame listed at 6 foot 6, 225 pounds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a big league looking body.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely looks the part in the uniform and it's not like a max out frame either.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It looks like you could still add some more good away Which is kind of crazy and you see him throw in the alfield and to me it was a no doubt plus arm great carry One of the better arms and batting practice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's great best speed and raw power and so like I'm looking at this guy And it's big power big arm strength and then I'm like okay if we get into the games and he just can't see the baseball

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I understand what we're working with but he then put together some competitive babies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there are some nitpicks you could find with Harrison.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the case for all these players, but you really got a good idea of just the physicality and tool set and upside potential I think before the game started.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, this is where I've provided some contribution, which is as we're watching him and I'm saying, kill the ovarisus kid, will the ovarisus kid?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jose Verus is kid and it is and is he is the son of Big League or Jose Verus.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not surprising that he has a plus arm because his dad was a big league pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I would say with a guy like that they're like you said, one of the key things is

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[SPEAKER_02]: You very well can go through a game, a showcase game, and never have a throw from the outfield, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But when you have the in and out, you can really buck it, any player, all the players out there and you're looking and you're comparing really apples to apples in that case, where you are literally talking about, okay, this is this player, and now I'll solve this other player throw,

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[SPEAKER_02]: and I can compare him and say, he's got better carry, he's got a longer, you know, take to release all these things, how he moves, all those things kind of fit into it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But with that, it did mean, I would say that that didn't do some of the pictures for a whole lot of favors because it was a tight zone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did feel like though that the power, the one thing that I always find fascinating at a game like this is when you are watching rising seniors in a lot of cases.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The disparity between you have some players like you said, like Jensen Varus,

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is a pro-body right now, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you talk about a Dominic Santorelli, that is a physical body right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there are other players at this, where you're like, there,

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[SPEAKER_02]: significantly further away from their finishing of their maturation curve.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that was one of the most interesting things you mentioned to me when we were watching the game because kind of like we alluded to a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to a ton of games with you and you're not always focused on the amateur side.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so just you highlighting that fact was kind of interesting to me because it's something maybe that I take for granted just because I'm not only, but a large majority of my time is spent watching high school players, college players who

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[SPEAKER_03]: the projection you're looking at in terms of just physical bodies where players are at size-wise is so much of the amateur piece.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe it's worth just like realizing how big and physical most of the players who are in pro ball already are and just how much further along the lines develop mentally they are just from a pure size perspective.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was instructive I think to me just to guess kind of not take that for granted, but it's definitely something

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[SPEAKER_02]: To take an example of that, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we had Land and Tome, was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you are someone, most of the listeners, viewers of this, I'll imagine, remember Jim Tome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you kind of have in your mind, Jim Tome, as a player.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you said, hey, his son, Landon, was playing this game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you say, hey, Landon was playing shortstop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you would, I would kind of immediately kind of think of like six foot three, you know, he's like 215 pounds, like okay, he's gonna move off of there because he's already two physical position.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I always say in land and tell me his case, like good, well-rounded player.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But like I would say physically, there's still a good bit of development to go there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he does not have Anything like his father's body at least at this moment now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see, you know, what does that mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What is going to look like at 25?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's the different story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But where he is right now I don't know, he's not skinny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to make it sound like that he's like, you know, five foot eight hundred and twenty pounds either but it's something where like

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're just to set with various it jumped out like that's a pro body right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And tell me, I'm like, I wonder what this guy's going to look like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tom made just just had some context.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's at least listed at six foot, 185 pounds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So not close to the bill to the staff quite yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I'm saying, I would say that if you told me though that he has

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know, but if you told me that he had a couple more inches that he's going to grow, wouldn't shock me, you know, that's not that would not be a stunning development for someone who's still in high school.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's where you did see like there was a wide array.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you do see some players, though, like you highlighted Jackson Matthews, you know, in there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And this Jackson Matthews high school, all of these guys are high school, but Alfield are from North Carolina because

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had a grand slam, first inning of that game, part of the six run top of the first, you know, which kind of had a little sneak peek that was gonna be 11-11 gave it that point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, there's, now it is,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You wrote about it, you know, in the right up it's it's kind of uh, there's a plus is a minus to that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There is some present physicality at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It says it's a swing that right now would say that enters and exits his own pretty quickly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so if he connects, it's very well suited to drive the ball.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's also not a whole lot of adjustability to it right yet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he has one of the more unique setups and swings in the class.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like you mentioned, he's got plenty of physicality listed at six foot four, 215 pounds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There is a lot of bat speed here when he swings.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of strength and he swings with plenty of intent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But to your point, it is a very steep swing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's clearly geared to try and get the ball in the air.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He is looking to impact the baseball.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, he is not getting cheated on his swings.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's not a lot of shortening up that happens no matter what count it is, it's always a very violent swing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think you saw kind of the results of this toolset in this approach today.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was one for four with that grand slam, and it wasn't impressive home run, too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like a ball that he yanked down the line.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was opposite field, left center, um, pretty clear off the bat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought when he hit it that it was, it was going along ways.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then his next three,

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[SPEAKER_03]: ABC struck out and showed a lot of swing and miss tenancies and and I didn't write this in the piece because I felt like it was unfair, but I feel like on the podcast Maybe it's worth mentioning, but after seeing really the first two ABCs and and because I had some context for what Jackson had done previously and kind of knew him a little bit more than some of these other hitters.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mentioned to you, JJ, it felt a lot like Roman Anthony's appearance in the MLB All-America game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember what year that would have been, but his game, it was basically the inverse of Jackson's.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was three strikeouts, his first three plate appearances, and I was like, man, this could just really has a ton of missing his game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Fourth plate appearance, he hits an absolute moonshot home run to the pull side, still to this day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not comparing Jackson Matthews to Roman Anthony, because I feel like that's unfair.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But there are, I think at the same time, some similar strengths and weaknesses to the offensive profile and some similar dynamism just in terms of the impact ability he can get to when he does connect.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's a really fascinating hitter and one of the players that that stood out for for good and bad reasons this week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pitching was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The guy who stood out to me, probably is one that I probably came into it thinking he was a little bit more of a hitter, which was a tie-burner, like he was one who, we didn't see a whole lot of one, two, three, set him up, set him down innings in that game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was 11, 11, 11.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had one of those, though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: to me like he's stood out to me who who is the pitchers you know that really kind of jumped out to you yeah just to touch on burn them a little bit like listen us out filled right hand of pitcher he took part in BP he showed kind of the both way

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[SPEAKER_03]: ability in this game, but like you, I like him a little bit more as a pitcher, just given yeah, and he shows six with three 200 pounds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was 992, really impressive life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: On the fastball, we had the benefit of having the Haka unit at the Big League field.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There are a number of 20 plus, yes, 20 plus IVB, which is always a number you kind of.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Raise your eyes, add and look and it looked like there are a number of pictures that kind of jumped over some barrels.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Flashed the makings of a curveball, changed up in the low 80s and like you said, one, two, three, six, thinning, pair of strikeouts looking on the curveball, I believe both were on the curveball.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you remember that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he threw a decent amount of strikes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that was a good one, I think.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The picture that I was, I had to that I came way really impressed with.

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[SPEAKER_03]: One is Colton Brady, a right-hander pitcher who also goes to TNXL Academy, the same school,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, he did not have the most purely explosive stuff in this event, but I thought he was one of the more,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Impressive pure pitchers the control in the command that he showed was really impressive.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was one of just two pitchers that through a pair of innings It's always nice when you can get a pitchability guy that sort of multiple innings and events like these because to your point the zone was quite tight Sometimes they didn't get a little bit long, but he's got a great pitchers frame six foot five to an 18 pounds three quarter slot some depth to his arm action

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[SPEAKER_03]: direct stride to the play.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I really thought he just worked well with his fastball slider combination.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was 1994.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The slider was mostly in the low 80s.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was one at 77 that I think he just didn't get on top of as consistently as his other his others.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But

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[SPEAKER_03]: The slider was one of the more consistent breaking walls I thought of this event just his ability to use it in his own located land it for strikes same thing with the fast while he just worked really quickly And I felt confident that we were looking at a pretty safe starter profile here with Brady and that's not always the case with high school pictures and events like this and then the other picture that I was pretty impressed with

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[SPEAKER_03]: was Dylan Blomker, right in a picture out of the Quay of a high school in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Also in LSU, commit unsurprising events like these that were always highlighting LSU commits that's not exactly rare for us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I thought he had one of the better breaking balls.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was 92.95 with a fastball.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was getting the sinker tag a lot on the Hawkeye unit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He generated three whiffs with that pitch.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But the the breaking ball for me was

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[SPEAKER_03]: I felt like it was one of the best breaking balls at this event, which is always just kind of a fun tool category to try and highlight at events like these because you see so many arms.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And typically all these guys are going to be throwing breaking balls more than they are changeups.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was 7983, two-planked by pretty hard, like late life with that pitch, kind of in-between a slider and a curve ball.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure if he was throwing two distinct pitches or he just has like a slurry breaking ball now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But either way, I liked both of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought both variants looked like potential above average pitch.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You got three whiffs with the breaking ball overall.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So those are two of the pitchers that I was, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: More excited way than we've got video and then further notes and all those guys on the side if you guys want to and you're watching So you know if you're watching us on YouTube you're watching some of this video Yeah, don't need to see our faces all the time Carlos is maybe not mine The other thing you you mentioned Game of showcase like this you get a lot of catchers and you get a wide variety of catchers Right I do feel like that we got to see one of the better arms that I will see behind the plate

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Mickey Gilligan, every event that he's at.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a lot of fun to watch.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's out of New Jersey, six foot, 185 pound left-handed and catcher.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, Gilligan, to me, like the armist is big tool, but he was actually in the finals of the home run derby, which was a little bit surprising to me, entering this because I did not think that he had the most power when I saw him earlier in the summer at the area code game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the way the,

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[SPEAKER_03]: the home run derby finals works at the baseball factories every hitter on the team has like a chance to qualify for the home run derby and then the top four players on each team gets go to like the home run derby that happens on game day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was cool to see and then I think you got a pretty good idea of Gilligan's arm strength.

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[SPEAKER_03]: behind the plate.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a I made a point of mentioning it's a JJ.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, watch out for Gilligan when he's behind the plate because he likes it throw.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a big arm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're probably going to see a big tool wanted to see how many backpick.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Opportunities.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I said I said three and a half.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he backpicked more.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we got two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Three yet two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I do right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good to but we got to because on the second one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: failed to cover and I think the picture after that was like, please don't do that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so one of the bigger tools there was Gilligan's arm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the other catcher who I was impressed with was Sean Dunlap, though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a Crown Point Indiana High School catcher committed to Tennessee.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Much different bills, six foot three, two hundred and five pounds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right hand-aheader were Gilligan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: His left hand-aheader, I think the arm is a bit further behind Gilligan's, but I still thought it was a soldier above average arm from behind the plate,

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[SPEAKER_03]: projection sort of right handed hitter and catcher maybe a little bit big for the position.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure, JJ, what you think of six foot three, two hundred five pound catchers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are we seeing more of those at the major?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a, I actually think that one knee catching has allowed more of those guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, I'll put it this way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Samuel Balsayo has a chance to catch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Samuel Balsayo's not that much older than Shawn Dunlap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Balsayo's like 64, 225, 230.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I do think that... Once we start getting into the six foot three, six foot four frame range for catchers, that's always kind of the range where people kind of wonder if you're too large, but we've seen it kind of across the defensive spectrum.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Players are just bigger these days, either because of defensive positioning

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[SPEAKER_03]: so much more dynamic these days and faster and can just do more things on the field.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like bigger body types can play it positions you previously would not have thought.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I would not write them off the position by any means.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just got done recording a prospect podcast where we're talking about players that you know we wish we could do the ranking over on and looking at

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, oh, you know, I've been not just a top hundred, but a top 20 prospecting game didn't expect him to hit 50 homers in a season and have the season like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Cal Raleigh is to kind of guy who you're like, I think one of the questions he always faced was always, you know, he he's always been big, yeah, but I would say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's something where Dunlap did not stand out to me as someone who's like, oh, he's just so, there's just no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's definitely not like the Cal Rally body type.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's more like he's six foot three, two and a half pounds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Got a lot of strength now and also just has a lot of room.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not a lot of room, but I think he could still add a lot of weight and hold it perfectly well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's this long levered swing, can generally a lot of impact to the pull side.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was the hit I mentioned who had two played appearances, one hit by pitch.

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[SPEAKER_03]: he had one double against an 80 mile per hour slider that he drove to the warning track and left field.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So just the sort of torque and bat speed and raw power, he's able to generate to the pull side and batting practice, seeing him kind of tap into that in-game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember offhand if the like the slider was a really devastating pitch or if it was more of a breaking ball that just kind of hung up over the plate.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But again, like seeing singers do this in-game when you're coming up and facing a new pitcher,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Every AB, it's a different arm, so you don't have a chance to make a lot of adjustments, it's just kind of go up there, maybe you've seen this picture before in the past, maybe you happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: These are typically tricky events for hitters, although this one was not the case, but I'm pretty intrigued with just the size, the raw power and the defensive profile, because Dunlap does have a pretty good history of folding up nicely and receiving well behind the plate, and again, like I mentioned earlier, I thought the arm

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[SPEAKER_03]: was impressive.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's another hitter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jajano, you had, you had a hitter who's batting practice, you were maybe most, most impressed by, you mentioned him kind of in passing, but I wanted to just kind of get your thoughts and Dominic Santorelli because I believe this was my first in-depth look at him in person.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a first baseman outfielder out of St.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Joseph Catholic

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'd have to say, if there was an award for best BP, I think we're giving it to Mr. Sincerelli.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You really didn't have a good BP.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought, you know, it is something where we used to be, I used to be like, oh, Wisconsin Wisconsin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now we can't say that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: High school is constant players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are a number of them in the big leagues.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Used to be that was none.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would say, like, as you said, like, when we talk about guys who have present physicality versus those who have projected physicality, I would say that he definitely fits in the present physicality, then no doubt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If there's a concern there, I would say it is like, is he a first space, been only, you know, in the long run.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if that is, then you are talking about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I would say then you have to really work at maintaining your present athleticism, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it doesn't mean you can't, it doesn't mean that you're, it's in too far overboard right now, but you're gonna have to not get bigger and bigger and stiffer and stiffer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like where it is right now, I think though that's something to be watched, but I thought that it really was a good BP

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the swing kind of worked pretty well, too, I thought.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, in the game, you didn't get to see as much of it, I would say.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But, well, he had some balls hard, too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't like the, like in BP, he was basically sending, he's like line drives, like deep line drives to both gaps and the pull side fairly easily.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a probing peak.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, it definitely was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that,

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[SPEAKER_03]: like Jeff had mentioned that he had heard since really has like kind of freakish athletic testing numbers as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He also plays football and basketball.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I would have liked to see him play some other positions as to see how well he can actually get after it running wise because I do think this is a player who maybe when you look at him six foot one two hundred thirty pounds pretty pretty filled out pretty max out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how much bigger he's going to get.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would be really curious to see like how that athleticism translates to the base, I'll feel that at a number of different events of positions because we saw I'll work out at first base, didn't get seem to do too much in the field, but that'd be one where I wonder if he has like the sneaky athleticism to let him play a few other positions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I will say like, you know, we are talking about a lefty as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, like, I mean, to, you know, to cite, you know, former colleague and good friend John Manuel, like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: He always talks about the right, right out the field or the right, right, first base bin where you're like, okay, if he's playing there as an amateur, it's because his athleticism's really limited because he's got all the positions are, you know, the plethora of options.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is your tray Morgan scenario.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he'd be playing somewhere else if he was a right-handed thrower.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If the game is biased against left-handed throwers, you know, on the field because you can own play.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could only play first base in the outfield and you can't even play catcher, even though no one fully explained why still hoping to see a left-handed throwing catcher in the future.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No one has fully explained why that's you know 100% off-limbs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I get it that is on you would be unusual.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I get it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You'd have to really good at it because there are some limitations there as far as you know throwing to third and things like that, but at the same time your backpicks to first will be really good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, they're absolutely with, but yeah, centrally three from five in the game, pair of singles, he slept 180, five mile per hour, change up on a line to the opposite field, and then he had a 93 mile per hour fastball that I returned around 108x of velocity of the middle.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we did get a little taste of just the impact.

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[SPEAKER_03]: ability.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I would say Santa really probably had some of the more impressive rock hour and just like you mentioned, just feel for the barrel in BP.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't a case of luck where there were a lot of misheads or he was getting under the ball.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was flush contact pretty consistently.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that stands out at the high school level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now again, we're talking about all these players also Louisville commit like

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would, to me, the thing that stood out with him is, is we don't know, you know, where he'll go on the draft, we don't know if he'll go to college, but if he does, he also, again, present physicality where you're like, okay, this is a guy who wouldn't surprise me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Probe P, things like that where you would say like you could imagine him coming in and playing pretty quickly because you're not saying like that there's these glaring issues that would have to be resolved first.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I was talking to some scouts at this event and so much of the where guys are gonna get drafted on the high school side these days just has so much to do with signability as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, they're obviously some no doubt prospects at the top that team just aren't gonna let.

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[SPEAKER_03]: To get the campus, but once you get into like that second and third tier, so much of it is just like, how much do you actually wanna go play pro ball?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you gonna be signable at a, at a range that makes sense for the teams?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, that's kind of the, yeah, overall, that's a good idea.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a good idea.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, some of the, yeah, some of the,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so that was the, you know, we again, this was the final event of the summer showcase season for us, the under armor, all-american next, all-american game, you could check out more about it over at baseballamerica.com and if you enjoyed this, do check out, because again, Carlos does between the future projection and the draft podcast, does a whole lot of talking about the draft year round here at baseballamerica.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't do this, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: as the lead-up to July.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We do this, you know, we're looking, you know, if you find this interesting, we have rankings for 25s, you know, which already drafted not 26s, 27s, like you didn't look ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could know about that over at baseball american.com.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For Carlos, I'm Jay Jay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So long, everybody.