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Speaker: [00:00:00] Welcome to Mr. Pick, me and the Man Hater Radio Podcast Hour. I am Mr. Pick Me, also known as Jessica. This is me as Cyclops shooting Lasers. Pew P Audio, humor and visual form. This would be cool Glasses, right? Could I do this? Can I pull this off?

Speaker 2: No. Hi. Just having,

Speaker: just having a long strip of red plastic.

Speaker 2: Do you know who I feel like, I feel like Jean Gray when she is a dark phoenix.

I'm, I'm gonna just explode. So, Madeleine Pryor, what? Madeline Pryor.

Speaker: Yeah, she's a clone of Jean Gray. Oh, because Jean Gray was actually nestled in the ocean,

Speaker 2: so she was never in the movie. She, Jean Gray. Well no,

Speaker: she was, she was Phoenix. But in the comics, Jean Gray was, uh, turns out was Madeline Pryor and uh, it's a whole thing.

Cyclops married her, had a baby, turned out to be cable. [00:01:00] They sent it to the future, but it turns out it wasn't Jean the had the baby with it was Madeline Pryor who was a clone of Jean Gray from Mr. Sinister

Speaker 2: one. That's horrifying. Two, I'm trying to make a simple joke that you make me wanna explode things, but we had to take it there.

Why did I think we could, I could make a little Gene Gray does

Speaker: have the Phoenix though. Like that wouldn't be clear. Gene Grand. The Phoenix Art. It's a whole thing.

Speaker 2: I don't need the clarification, but thank you.

Speaker: I don't, I don't think I was very clear there and I think there's gonna be at least one comment with a fan that's mad at me.

I wanna be clear. I know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2: I wanna be clear. I made a mistake. I was just trying to do a funny little, he, he haha joke. And we've gone into a special interest wormhole.

Speaker: I'm frozen.

Speaker 2: Oh, I

Speaker: you're just staring at me. No, I think we just leave it there because it looked like it could have just been that way.

Fine. By the way, I'm having a, this is a protein seltzer. What? It's, it's like a seltzer drink that has 30 grams of protein in it.

Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense to [00:02:00] me because protein is like heavier when it's in anything you drink. But now it's supposed to be a seltzer.

Speaker: It's in there. It's in there

Speaker 2: I believe. Yeah.

I don't know.

Speaker: I don't know if it's, if it's the right kind of protein though, I probably should probably, 'cause there's, there's like collagen protein. That, uh, helps you like, uh, can help like your skin and your, your joints.

Speaker 3: Sure. Sure. Uh,

Speaker: and then there's like muscle protein where it can make you for your gains big and strong.

Yeah. That's been my goal this year is to, I want to get, get healthy,

Speaker 2: get beefy.

Speaker: No, I, I don't, I, I had, I had real big goals about a month ago when I started. Mm-hmm. I've gotten a lot more realistic with Yeah. Uh, what, what they are now. My goal is to have, uh, like so like someone that looks like they could have been fit once.

Like I bet if you want someone to

Speaker 2: look at you and be like, I feel like he was fit in high school.

Speaker: I bet [00:03:00] that guy used to be used to like be fit. That guy's

Speaker 2: ran once. Yeah.

Speaker: My goal is not to be fit. It's to look. Like, I could have once been fit. I think that's You're the ghost of fitness. Yeah, that's, that's exactly it.

You know, where somebody could look at me and play. I bet when he was younger, he looked, he had it going on some, he had it going on. Like now he's, he's clearly, he's having some troubles, you know, his, his life, life down on it. Luck, he's down on his luck. But at one point I, there's, there's a remnants of something there.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker: So that's my goal. My goal is to, to fool people into thinking that I was once fit. It's not to get fit to fool people into thinking I'm, I'm in my dad era.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. I, I mean, I think you are in your dad era.

Speaker: Yeah. No, I am in my dad era, but like to the point where it looks less like I've given up.

Because I feel like I was getting to the point where it was like, it's all right, man. Like, people wanted to gimme hugs, like, and [00:04:00] see me. They're like, Hey, you're, you're a really good person. I are. You, do you need to talk? Do you want a hug? Do you need, do you need some help? I'd like to, I'd like to sweat less is what it is.

I'd like to, to sweat and I'd like, I'd like my bones to hurt less. Like, I think just the past, like three years, it's gotten to the point where like, everything's just hurts all the time.

Speaker 2: I feel like I wouldn't get fit. Whereas if you, like, if we were verbally arguing, you'd be like, Hmm, I don't think I'd wanna fight this person physically.

Speaker: Mm. Okay. So you wanna get like a little like scary,

Speaker 2: not scary, scary. Mm-hmm. But just like, I don't, I don't wanna mess with this person. I don't

Speaker: think

Speaker 2: mildly intimidating.

Speaker: This, well, we'll get to show eventually, but I got, I did one of those, uh, I got one, I bought one of those like scanners, the electricity scanners that figures out your body fat mass and everything.

Oh. Uh, and I, there's bad ones and there's good ones. Mm-hmm. And then there's like real ones. And I, I got one of the good normal ones. Once again, continuing our [00:05:00] talking from nap. I don't ever buy the best of the best. I buy the best of the medium. Um, and, uh, it, uh, it's, I have a lot more, I'm stronger than I, than I realized.

Ooh. I have a lot more muscle mass. I just happen to have a lot more fat around that muscle mass. It's

Speaker 2: just like a, it's like a corn nog.

Speaker: So theoretically I could be fit. I'm starting with a good amount of strength.

Speaker 3: Yes. So,

Speaker: uh, in me, it's just, uh, you couldn't tell it. You wouldn't be able to tell from looking at me.

You'd, you'd be like, all right. That guy doesn't look, so I am, I'm deceptively strong, which maybe it felt good. I'm like, all right, good. All I need, I like that. All need to do is all I need to do is like lose a lot of weight. It's not about, and it's never been about weight for me, but it's about like, I want, I want feel good in my body.

So that's, that's the goal.

Speaker 2: And I love that for you in your little protein seltzer.

Speaker: Oh, my little protein seltzer. It's not great.

Speaker 2: It's not bad. [00:06:00]

Speaker: It's not bad.

Speaker 2: I not great. I, I feel like protein drinks are always like granular. Yeah. You know, like mm-hmm. Chalky. That's exactly.

Speaker: Normally having a seltzer, you don't want there to feel like a film in your mouth afterwards.

And that's exactly what I'm getting right now. It's a very mild filmy aftertaste. Sounds awful. It's not, it's not as bad as I'm making it out to be. If you wanna sponsor me,

Speaker 2: what a ringing endorsement. Genius

Speaker: Gourmet. It's not. You're not terrible.

Speaker 2: Not as bad as I make it up to be. Not

Speaker: as bad as it sounds.

Genius. Gourmet. Not as bad as it sounds.

Speaker 2: Did we wanna do a show today or? I guess so.

Speaker: I think we just call it. I think that was a good conversation. How

Speaker 2: many minutes in are we? We're like eight minutes in of nonsense

Speaker: probably.

Speaker 2: What are we talking about Chesca? What's our subject for today?

Speaker: CA. We're gonna talk about how boys have it so much harder than girls.

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Speaker 4: song. Yes. You want bad advice, man. I'll give it out. Glad I got some good advice for you. You don't. [00:07:00] I know you don't. I got some good advice for you. You don't. I know you don't.

Speaker 5: You're like Chi Chi. Today we going to talk about your boys. The boys have it so much harder than the girls, and we know that. You know what though? To

Speaker 2: be a boy, you know what you do. Ah, you do sound like a person who would drink protein, so,

Speaker 5: oh, I have

Speaker 2: a protein salad too. It's so delicious. It like a crystal glass.

Create my protein. Celsa a crystal glass.

Speaker: It's very good. By the way, I, so I told you I've been doing a, a improv class. Yes. I, I, I feel like I had a breakthrough this week. If I do really crappy voices, I can get more into the scene. [00:08:00] I was try, I was kind of just doing it as my, I was just being me, which is never a good, it is never worked out for me and every, any facet of my life where I'm like, just be yourself.

That never works out. Yeah. So I'd started like, kind of just like. Trying to embody an actual character. Mm-hmm. And it worked out a lot better this week. So I,

Speaker 2: I feel bad for your scene partners trying to follow you with the way your accents

Speaker: like to drift. Oh, it's, it's not going well for them. Uh, but it's, it's going, it's fine.

I like, I like, for me, it's fine. I feel better about it. People were laughing. Um, I believe that I'm, I'm better at, uh, improv games than I am at scene work. Right. Yeah. I get it. That's, that's my, I love the game. You, because the games are like, it's like, yeah, I can get into that mode where it's, it just has to be like one-liners.

Like course, my issue with scene building is I'm so bad with names that it's happened almost every single time. They'll be like, hi, I'm John, or whatever. You know how improv, you know how every improv scene starts. Hello. I am John. We are in a [00:09:00] factory. They really

Speaker 2: do start with name and location. I

Speaker: know, I know.

But it's not like, obviously as explicit as that. Yeah. But, uh, but every time they'll be like, I'll be. Sure. If I'm the one starting it, they'll say their name and I'll, or I'll name them or will be someone I can always remember the place.

Speaker 2: Well that's one of the three where we're

Speaker: at. That's something, that's something.

So, and the, I

Speaker 2: can totally imagine you naming someone and then giving them a new name directly after

Speaker: so many times already.

Speaker 2: Like George, come here now. Let me tell you something, Greg.

Speaker: Yeah, it's happened more than once where I'm just like, we're just gonna go with it.

Speaker 2: I had one scene where this was not that long ago.

Somebody came in with like a made up weird, like y saying I couldn't understand a word of it. And then they were stuck with it. And I was stuck with it and then it kept changing and I'm like,

Speaker: what is happening?

Speaker 2: Is there a murderer on this at this theme park? To

Speaker: come get me. We had this one scene, um, that it, it was actually, it went [00:10:00] amazing.

Mm-hmm. But you could tell all three of us in it had very different ideas about what was happening and, and none. And we weren't all, we're all new, fairly new. Yeah. So none of us had like, the ability to really like craft it, make it clear what was happening. Yeah. But it worked really well. It was just kind of, the audience had to, and then finally at the end, it came out what it was like we, we were, we were foxes, uh, of course that were of course, as one does.

And, uh, I, I ate the white one was when it came out. And I, in my mind, the person was talking about like, I ate a little white child,

like, and so they were referring to like a white cat that I ate. Oh. Uh, and then the third person jumps in and they were the brother of the animal that I ate. Yeah. It turns out it was a bunny. Oh, good. That was there. And we end up. It ended up being great, but, but

Speaker 2: for a while, you were a child killer for a while.

I had

Speaker: no, yeah. I was like, this is, I was like, this is real dark. I guess this is where we're going. It didn't even click in my head that the white one wouldn't. [00:11:00] That's not how you refer usually to little children. Oh yeah. You ate the white one. Well, did you see that

Speaker 2: white one over there? This is the white one.

White one. So just for a little bit, you're like, I guess I killed a child. I have to live with this on my conscience. This is, this is what it is as

Speaker: a, as a wild fox.

Speaker 2: Yes. And.

Speaker: Yes. And you just go with it. Um, just go, we

Speaker 2: gotta get to the real stuff. Nobody likes listening to improv scenes.

Speaker: I think. I feel like our followers might,

Speaker 2: that's very generous for, like, I don't, my, I've told my wife dozens of improv scenes every time she's like, Uhhuh

Speaker: and she listens.

She's like, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Yeah. But on the inside she's probably like, I have no idea what's

Speaker: going on. I had to be

Speaker 2: there.

Speaker: Yeah. It's not literally, you quite literally have to be there. Yeah. Okay. Wait, can I share one more thing? Well, it's not about improv. So I, I don't, like, I don't ever bring up like that. I do social media, [00:12:00] like I'm a college, I'm a college professor.

That's what I do. And it Well, that's true. It is true. And it's, I'm a full-time college professor. That's how I, my identity is still that.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Uh, and

Speaker: so, and I also don't like, I, it feels weird that like, if I, if I like. I'm an influencer. Yeah. You might look like a

Speaker 2: deep bag. Yeah. You're like,

Speaker: oh, I'm doing improv because I'm furthering my content, content, content creation.

And there's nothing wrong with it. It's a career. Now what? People do it as a career. Sure. Anyways, I'm doing it as a side career. Right?

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker: Um, but, but, so I haven't brought it up at all. Mm-hmm. Uh, and so, but I, uh, my art teacher popped up on my people. You might know 'cause we have some mutual friends and I added him.

Mm-hmm. And then, so he added me back. So now he knows, but he's the only one that knows.

Speaker 2: That's this big secret you have.

Speaker: It's, but, but I feel like it, it's not, it was never meant to be a secret. 'cause I've said, oh, I've like on it's come up and I've been like, oh yeah, I do some social media stuff.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker: That's it. And so, but now I feel like it's a secret. Now I'm afraid to tell people,

Speaker 2: like, how do you, how's it come [00:13:00] up? It when it comes up organically? Just don't make it weird.

Speaker: I guess so just be like, oh yeah. I mean, it's not a big deal. It's big. I feel like it's going

Speaker 2: to come up like un no one's gonna be talking about that.

And you're gonna be like, I'm following. I have nearly 2 million followers. How many million now?

Speaker: Nearly 3 million.

Speaker 2: Oh. And that's how I don't want it to come up CHASCo right there. That don't do that.

Speaker: No, I think what's gonna happen is probably 'cause our last, we're we're doing on that, that we, the whole class voted to do, uh, the, to move on to 2 0 2.

Nice. Because this is the 1 0 1. Um, and so, uh, but we, we, uh, uh, we'll probably add each other on social media at some point. Like I'm becoming friends with the people. Then you'll be busted and then it'll, it'll be like, Hmm. Or unless I just add 'em to my private social media account and just keep it going.

Yeah. You see how long I can, anyways, this is, I, we can probably cut this out. Nobody cares about me.

Speaker 2: It's so hard to

Speaker: be so popular, isn't it? It's really is. [00:14:00] It's my curse.

Speaker 2: You know what else? It's hard to be. A man. Apparently it is. It's, let's listen, listen to this man of my nightmares. You ready?

Speaker 7: Yes. Almost every single woman no I have ever met in my entire life is at least mildly decent at rejecting me.

Speaker 8: Okay. Here's, here's, let's go back to the main point. The main point you said was, if, John, how

Speaker 7: many times have you been rejected by women? Uh, more than I could count. So, Ron, how many times have you been rejected by women? How long, Ronaldo? How many times have you been rejected by women? Forever.

Speaker 8: Okay. Forever.

I will say this, Ali, how

Speaker 7: many times have you been rejected by men?

Speaker 8: This is a really unfair, like how many, many have been rejected by men?

Speaker 7: Ali, how many times have you been rejected by men? Twice. Okay. Two times. That's disgusting. Okay,

Speaker 8: but that is not my fault. I'm, yeah, it's not my fault. It doesn't matter.

Speaker: No.

So here, here's the thing that I. Need more people to understand these guys hate men. [00:15:00] Like I I, they have the lowest view of themselves and other men that I don't understand why I get in trouble critiquing them. And, and I'll explain why I'm saying that in a second, but like mm-hmm. I, I don't, I don't see how more people don't see the, the, I mean, they also hate women, but they also hate men.

Like they very clearly hate women. But it's, it's, I guess 'cause they're not so obvious about it, they think so little of themselves and of other men and that's just kind of the standard acceptance about like, oh yeah, well, you know, men have zero standards, do not care. Will kind of, they'll, they'll just, they'll kind of settle for anyone at all because it, it does she breathing.

Then Sure. It's, there's, there's like there, uh, I don't wanna bring them up again, but the, the one podcast that I've responded to like a dozen times before, that white guy, uh, you know, oh, every podcast, you know, the white guy with a podcast, um, that he brings on. It's, it's the biggest, [00:16:00] it's the, the, uh, I can't even remember that.

Whatever. Oh, oh yes. Yeah, yeah. And so, but he'll, he'll always be like, uh, an, an average, uh, an average woman can go out and ha have sex with almost any man she wants. But an average, uh, it takes, you have to be like the top 1% of men to be able to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. To, to be able to have sex with a woman and all this kind of things.

And I'm like. What does that say about men? That all of us are just so like, oh, I, yeah. Oh, uh, yes. I would like sex, please. Thank you very much. Anybody? Yeah, it doesn't, there's no, you're mean to me. It doesn't matter. I don't you're willing to give me the sex. Okay. They get so mean to, I, I, like, I feel like it's so degrading to men and, and also to women.

Mm-hmm. I wanna be clear, this is not me saying, uh, that they're being so kind to women, but it's such a very clearly like, uh, negative outlook toward everyone out there, and it's, but [00:17:00] the, but then they shift it to like, and so that's why women are the worst people on earth, and that's why it's okay to hate women.

Speaker 2: The description says women are naturally better at rejecting. What, what, what does that mean? First of all, how would you know that?

Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Like there's so much nurture at that point. By the time a woman is in her twenties, she's had god knows how many advances. Right. You know what I mean? Like so she's had practice, she's had prac, so point.

Mm-hmm. So saying it's natural I think is weird. Mm-hmm. But it's also just like I feel, well, you know, like women,

Speaker: women are natural naturally better at changing diapers.

Speaker 2: Right? Right. It comes naturally to us. They're naturally

Speaker: better at doing all those things. It's not because you were forced to do all of that work because, oh, I'm just, I just don't get it.

Speaker 2: We're born knowing how to clean the house, cook a meal. Yeah. Everything.

Speaker: It's all women know how to do all. It's just how amazingly wonderful is the coincidence that it's everything that sucks. That is [00:18:00] like not fun to do. Yeah. It just turns out that women are better at it.

Speaker 2: I just think it's so weird, like how little.

They take any other factors into account. Like they just say these things without caring to like dive into like the fact that men, like, especially at a certain age, will like almost indiscriminately and especially the way that, you know, these, uh, podcast bros and or dating coaches where they're just like, just try and sleep with everybody.

Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: And it's like, so women are having to field these constant approaches, like these mm-hmm. Constantly getting bombarded by men trying to sleep with them. So it's like, yeah. They have it happen more because men can be less discriminant like mm-hmm. Men have less safety problems.

Speaker: Mm-hmm. You know what I mean?

Well, and that's, that's also the key. I think that's really important that they, they never, ever bring up on these shows or never want to acknowledge that there is absolute, they'll be like, well, [00:19:00] women, women can do stuff to, to kinda harm hurt men too. Women can blah, blah, blah, blah. If you look at this

Speaker 2: woman was mean to me one time.

Speaker: Yeah. I mean, that hurt my feelings. You see, you're tr you're not, that's the same thing. Yeah. It's like violence. It's violence against my, my heart. My heart. My heart was wounded. Yeah. It's exact same thing. There was zero difference. Reagan,

Speaker 2: it's just thinking about like. Guys can try and sleep with a bunch of women, and most men aren't afraid if they go home with a woman, they're going to be harmed.

Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: I don't know. I, I don't think I've ever had a man tell me that, that like no, or like even suss me out at all when I was in my straight days. There's so many, you're like, I don't even know you. Why would I go anywhere with you? Like mm-hmm. But it's like they don't have that fear and they also don't have the stigma.

They don't have. Mm-hmm. Uh, there's just so many reasons that women have to be more careful or choose, like, like have to [00:20:00] make the choice to be more careful. Not even because of like interest necessarily. Mm-hmm. But like out of safety, like mm-hmm. So that they're not harmed. And then you have the other side of it, which is just like, these men just wanna sleep with them.

Like they don't care about them. Mm-hmm. They don't care about who they are. They don't wanna spend time with them. So it's like, yeah. If you just literally want a body Yeah, I'm sure. Then you are getting rejected more.

Speaker 6: That's

Speaker 2: than someone who potentially doesn't want that. But there are, but there are men out there who just wanna sleep with people and also people telling them that that's all you should want.

So like, it's just so weird to be like, oh God, women, women just know how to reject. They have to reject. You never get rejected. You don't know what it's like. It's like you don't care. Your, your bar is so low, so mm-hmm. You're open to anybody, but you're also willing to harm them. You're willing to sleep.

Like so often it's like they'll sleep with them and then never talk to them again. It's like,

Speaker: right.

Speaker 2: So, oh God.

Speaker: It's also this weird, um, and, and this is a more modern version of this, [00:21:00] of this, this, this, the entitlement Right. To that to, to women's bodies. To women's time to women's, yeah. Um, that, uh, like, like when I was.

In my youth, uh, and dating, right? I got rejected, right? I went on dates that didn't go out well. Uh, finding someone to date was so much more work, right? I'd have to actually go do activities. I had to actually go to places. I actually had to meet people that, that, uh, had shared interests of me. And so then like, well, I got rejected 75 times on Tinder.

I'm like, that's not a reject. That's like, it's such a non re reject. Like it's the easiest, right? If I could have like, sat on my couch, I'd probably still be single by the way, if I, if that was existed at that in the same era, um, like, but if I could just sat on my couch and just mindlessly swiped all day long and they'd be like, yeah, I got rejected 200 times.

No, you didn't. Yeah, that's not the same thing. And that's what all of, almost all of 'em are always counting. Like, well, yeah, they, they, I, I dmd her my penis. And she [00:22:00] didn't, she didn't send me anything back. I got no pics back. No pics back, man. Like, what? Where's the reciprocation? I'm heartbroken here. I'm, uh, yeah, she, she swiped right on me also

Speaker 2: until I send her the dick pic and then all of a sudden she's not interested.

Speaker: Whoa, whoa, whoa. How, how else do you say hi to this day and age?

Speaker 2: That's my opening of wine.

Speaker: Yeah. It's like, here, just in case, here's what I'm working with.

Speaker 2: Just so you know. You know, if you were just hitting on anybody without even taking the time

Speaker 6: mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: To understand if there's an like, uh, like any common interest, any mutual, anything.

Are they single? Like, I, I don't know that there's ever a time I would just have hit on someone having no idea if we had anything in common at all.

Speaker 6: Right?

Speaker 2: Like, these guys will just go up to people completely that they do not know that like they're not compatible with and like. That they've done nothing, like, nothing to foster enough of a connection [00:23:00] that it wouldn't be seen as gross to be talked to that way.

Right. Like if you go up to a stranger and immediately hit on them, like, unless there's an immediate attraction for some reason Yeah. You're going to get rejected.

Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: So you numbers are going to be higher because you're trying more.

Speaker: You're just like throwing it out there at whoever ex someone breathing.

Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like, go like a, a door to door salesman versus someone who's doing mm-hmm. Like a targeted campaign.

Speaker: Mm-hmm. And it's also like, they wonder why, well, like, why aren't women like making eye contact and smiling and do it? 'cause it's like they take every, like the smallest modicum of Of nicety mm-hmm.

That exists. I'm like, oh, she's into this. Yeah. She, she looked at my eyes. You know what that means? And then they approached me like, oh, god dammit, i's happened to me so

Speaker 2: many times. Accidental eye contact.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Damnit.

Speaker: Yeah. And they're like, what? She was giving me all the signs.

Speaker 2: She looked into my eyes for 0.5 seconds.

Speaker: Yeah. I mean, how, how do you [00:24:00] not see that as a sign to approach and come after? And that's, it's may all, um, yeah. It's, it's, I I do think it's like the same reason why in years past whatever too, like how many people me met and had a meaningful relationship that met at a bar Right. Or a club. Right. Right.

It's like they, there might be hookups, even, even pre uh, Tinder and all those kind of apps, right. That happened right there. But that was not where most actual meaningful relationships started. Right? Mm-hmm. That was what you went there solely knowing it was gonna be like, who are you attracted to physically?

Because there's no conversation happening. Right. Other than,

Speaker 9: Hey, do you want what? Yeah. No. Yeah. I can't hear you. Yeah, it's good. Mu Okay. Do you wanna get outta here? No. No, you just want, okay.

Speaker 2: Are you here with your friends? All those girls? Yeah.

Speaker: Rejected.

Speaker 2: Rejected. Well, I, sorry, I'm thinking about something, I'm still thinking about something you said earlier, which is like, what they call rejected.

And I think you're so bright. Like it, [00:25:00] it, I feel like if you've invested nothing mm-hmm. Literally nothing into an exchange

Speaker 6: mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Then it shouldn't be a big deal, right. For people to say no. Like if I just walk up to a stranger, I'm like, Hey, you wanna sleep together? And they're like, no. I'd be like, right on.

Because what? Do that right now. But, uh, but this idea that they'll like count this as this huge rejection and that, that they should feel bad about. It's like. Are you putting yourself through rejection therapy at this point? Because Right. Yeah. You're gonna get rejected if you do it like that. And if you take all of those as like, meaningful, reject, like, yeah, you got rejected, but like also that person doesn't know you and like mm-hmm.

Maybe just isn't attracted to you. Like, it, it's like it's so personal and like, they take it so badly, like mm-hmm. It's, it impacts them on such a level, but it's also like, then try harder. If you are impacted that way with rejection, then put more into it. Mm-hmm. Rather than do it, do it more [00:26:00] often with, with people you don't know, with like, the least amount of information about them, or like anything you could use.

Like that's, that's how connections happen, right. You have to know stuff about each other.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: To connect.

Speaker: And also like if, if, if more guys had friends that were women, right? If they actually That's crazy. Pursued crazy. Why? Like, like the amount of, are they

Speaker 2: sleeping with them?

Speaker: Right? No. Isn't that, that's the only reason.

Right? They have to be attracted to them. That's what someone told me once, but the amount of dates I went on throughout the years that of that, were like, oh, hey, I know someone you might like, oh, hey, this, here's somebody that, uh, I think you get along with well. Mm-hmm. Because I had actual meaningful friendships with women.

That I didn't want to sleep with. Right. And so, which is crazy talk, right? Um, but, but there's all these sort of things we talk about that, that is like considered to be like blasphemy, right? Mm-hmm. Having friendship, meaningful platonic friendships with people that are, are of the same [00:27:00] gender that you are also attracted to.

The, the notion of those sort of things is looked at or, or the idea of like, uh, going out and, and just to do activities that you actually enjoy. And your goal isn't just to find someone to date and hook up with, right? It's to actually have hobbies that you are, that you find it's called a hobby meaning out of, right.

Um,

Speaker 2: I saw a video the other day that was like two bros talking, and the guy very proudly, I would say he was in his twenties, um, early twenties. He looked young and he was like, yeah, I was just thinking about like, I've never dated a girl, but like I would wanna just hang out with. Like for an extended period of time.

And the guy's like, do you have girlfriends? And he is like, oh yeah, I have like friends that are girls, but like, I just never have had that. And I'm like, why are you dating people? Yeah. Mm-hmm. What does that mean? You don't wanna spend time with them? Like, what do you mm-hmm. Like, do they just go and hang out with their girlfriends and the whole time they're thinking about like, [00:28:00] God, I wish I wasn't with you.

I wish I was with David.

Speaker: Yeah. Oh, Steve was here.

Speaker 2: God, Steve would've laughed at that

Speaker: joke. He would've thought this was so, he would've thought, the joke about punching you in the eye was really funny.

Speaker 2: He gets my sense of humor.

Speaker: Mm-hmm. Unlike girls. Yeah. But it's like,

Speaker 2: it's like they actually don't enjoy spending time with them.

Speaker: And it's, yeah. And that, that is the key of this whole thing. And it, like I said, it's a, it's, that's where this crisis comes from, right? It's like it's a crisis of, of people not understanding that there is a whole world of, of things you can like and be interested in that don't involve sex.

Speaker 2: Why? Just, I just am like, do they just sit there and hate their time?

Are they just sitting there being like, we should be having sex right now, otherwise this is pointless. Like, what are they thinking about if you're with your girlfriend?

Speaker: There was a video of like a married couple that talked that said this. They're like, well, we're not friends. I don't think that husband and wife should be friends.

I think that's, I, it was this whole thing. I don't remember. I have to [00:29:00] find a beer. What

Speaker 2: does that mean?

Speaker: But they were like, yeah, husband and wife. That that's, that's not that. I think my hot take is that husband and wives shouldn't be friends with each other. We have different roles. Like they're, his role is business owner and provider and provider, and her role is to baby maker and they make the babies.

We'll meet on Tuesday, have relations, and then go off on, and that's, and that's that we have our quiet woman. Yeah. And then we watch, we go to our separate beds and our separate, there's not, by the way, that's a whole, that I'm not, I'm not judging people that have separate beds. Um, because there is a whole movement I know of people that are, are doing, having their own rooms and stuff that are in helping relat.

Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Like good

Speaker 2: sleepers.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. That, that's fine. I'm not, I'm not. But I mean, in this kind of situation where having it, because you despise the person you're with and you only wanna be around them for the sake of making children and budgeting.

Speaker 2: I budgeting, I just don't understand it. I'm like, [00:30:00] and like, you see it, you see it, especially like with older couples, you can tell they can't stand each other and you're just like, why are you doing this?

Yeah. Like what I

Speaker 6: mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: My wife is my favorite person on the planet. Mm-hmm. Like, aside from my child. There, Ty, but like, I want to spend all my time with her. Like when something funny happens, she's the first person I wanna tell. Like mm-hmm. When I'm upset, she's the first person I wanna tell. Like, I just can't comprehend, like

Speaker 6: mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: If your partner did not have any, like, didn't hold any of those spaces, I, I can't imagine not just like needing other people. 'cause your person's not your everything. We know that, like mm-hmm. Your, your partner's gonna not gonna be No, of course. Of you. Your everything for all things.

Speaker: And it's important to cultivate relationships outside of your Yeah, yeah, of

Speaker 2: course.

Mm-hmm. But like, if you don't even like them, like, you don't like spending time with them. Mm-hmm. I, ah, I can I, and like, it's again, like, I think I've brought this up so many times, but it's this idea of like [00:31:00] being proud of it. Like, the guy was like, Jeff, I don't even think I could hang out with a woman mm-hmm.

For more than 10 hours.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Without hating my life. It's like.

Speaker: I think, I think the discussion about, uh, older couples especially stand together when they clearly hate each other. Like, not even like a mild dislike, but like, no, you see, it's so common that it's like a trope where like

Speaker 3: mm-hmm.

Speaker: They like fucking despise each other.

Yeah. And I think one of the reasons they stay, they, they stay though is because of what we were just kind of hitting at that obviously you need relationships outside of, you need friendships, you need other stuff outside of it. Mm-hmm. But they, they get into the point where their partner is literally the only person in their life that they have any interaction with, that they have anything to do with, and they can't imagine that changing.

'cause I, I, I do think it's gotta happen, you know, just in the same way that if I started dating someone, I was 20 now as [00:32:00] a 40-year-old, I could imagine. We'd have, we might be different people. Right? Sure, sure. There, there, there might be a reason to separate it. It's possible we grew together in the same way, but like I was, I, I had, I didn't understand the world in the same way I did when I was 20.

Right. Right. And that's, there's a whole bunch of different stuff, but in the same way that that happened, I can imagine being 40 and then being 60 or 70, it's a whole different part of your life Sure. Where something could happen. And I think it would be nice if it could be normalized where people didn't feel the need to stay with somebody just because, well, we've been together for 30 years.

What, what's the point? I, I don't know what to do outside of it. And it's, it's, I think it's a real pro. I mean, I, I can say that now having, you know, being in a relationship, I'm happy to stay in. Right. You know, and, and where I'm not looking to get out

Speaker 3: mm-hmm. Uh,

Speaker: of it. But I, I think, uh, that's, it's gotta be hard though, like where if you've been with somebody for 30 plus years and it's, 'cause it's, it's not like it's all of a sudden you probably started hitting each other.

Right. It was like this. Gradual slow [00:33:00] motion thing where it's just to the point where they, just the way that they cough makes your skin crawl. Right. Or the way that they eat soup. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Makes you wanna go punch a wall, uh, afterwards. And I feel like I wish we had a society that, I think part of it's like health insurance, probably finances, like not having a universal basic income.

I think people stay in these kind of things. Uh, one out of just, that's what it is. It's too late now. Mm-hmm. What am I gonna do now? It's, there's nothing.

Speaker 2: Right. We have a, we have a life together now in kids. Yeah. What are we gonna do?

Speaker: What, how do we move on from that? And then also the, uh, the, the reliance on not having social services where you can escape.

But, you know, you hear people staying in abusive relationships, even at younger ages for those exact reasons. Like, well, I have to. Yeah. Right. And especially when kids are involved, I can't leave. How do I support the kids? How do I take care of, I need to stay to protect the kids I need to stay to, to be in this house [00:34:00] with this, this person to make sure that the kids, you know, are okay.

Uh, and there's all, and obviously there's studies that. Talk about why it's bad to stay in unhealthy, toxic relationships, uh, even when children are involved. But

Speaker 9: yeah.

Speaker: Um, I think it's, it's a, it's a really nuanced discussion that, uh, I'm happy we're taking on.

Speaker 2: Can I, can I sidetrack us to a phenomenon that I am like, what the hell?

Mm-hmm. Do you know how many married, like 40, 50, 60-year-old men think they would be getting a 10, a 25-year-old, 10 if they weren't married? I'm like, are you fucking crazy? Oh my God, I had no idea. I've, I, I can't, I've seen videos like, there were, like, I, one of my acting jobs, I, it's like a huge group of like actors and the people who run it, but there's like some older guys and they've said things that I'm [00:35:00] like.

Are you fucking serious? Like they'll have beautiful, lovely, amazing wives and they'll mm-hmm. Like, you can tell they're like, if I was single right now that did see that waitress? Mm-hmm. She'd be serving more than food, if you know what I'm saying? Am I what?

Speaker: You catch me drift. Did you see the way she looked at me when she handed me the bill?

Speaker 2: What she, why was she was getting her tip? Did she see how nice she was?

Speaker: You see that she was flirting with me. She wants it, and you know why? No wedding ring on?

Speaker 2: Uh, oh. That's, and that's why I keep it on the sink. Mm-hmm. That ring stays on the sink. It's the same thing as like, I've noticed just my old man observations with Reagan.

Uh, there's also like this weird, like how men only socialize seemingly with like mm-hmm. Wait staff with like grocery, grocery store workers? Mm-hmm. Have you ever seen that? Mm-hmm. Like, I'm like, you must not have friends outside of this. No, because they'll just, and I mean, they're talking 'em up [00:36:00] for like 20 minutes or like, they'll talk me up.

I'm like, I don't wanna talk in the grocery store. Mm-hmm. I promise you that. I wanna get my food and get out. That's how I roll. Right. Like, this is already, sometimes they'll try and talk to me when I have my daughter. I'm like, do you not see the struggle that is going on here, sir?

Speaker: I try to keep my headphones on.

I don't want any conversation

Speaker 2: that doesn't stop them. CHASCo. They'll be like, oh, you're put out, you point to your ear. You can't me. Can you take that out so I can talk to you? That's happening more than once.

Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: More than once. But it's just like, it's so, it's so like the perspective these men have of themselves.

Mm-hmm. Like, I honestly think some of staying is like, they have this fantasy in their head. Mm-hmm. They're like, oh, like I know I'm, if I had a whole pass,

Speaker: wasn't there a movie like about that? I didn't see the movie. That what Owen

Speaker 2: Wilson. I never saw it either, because I, the whole premise, I was like, ew.

Speaker: I'm ew. I'm, I think if, if I remember the previews at least correctly, it was like that this exact thing happened where they couldn't. Oh, they don't. I think the comedy was that they, nobody wanted that, at least. Oh, really? That's, I haven't seen [00:37:00] the movie. If anybody can correct us in the comment section right now, um, 'cause it could very well just be that they ended up having the time of their life.

Um, but no, but, but you're absolutely right. I think every, every guy hits a point where they're like, not every guy. A certain type of time. Wait

Speaker 2: a second, just go.

Speaker: Yeah. Outed. It's, it's no, if I have the worst self, uh, viewpoint of myself, that was Did you, did you, uh, ever, I'm sure you watched it. Did you ever watch the podcast When I was on the, uh, girls Gotta Eat podcast.

Yes. That was that, that section there, that, that caught me off guard. The tall guy when I was, yeah. When I was self-deprecating. Mm-hmm. That's, that's my genuine viewpoint of myself. Like, oh God, Don hurts. I'll

Speaker 2: lose the ability to speak if you compliment me.

Speaker: Yeah. There, there was zero vision in my mind that there ever being something.

I know where I got it. I got it. Good. Truly, truly, there's no saved. Same, no ling in my mind. If somebody asked me, like if my wife was like. You know what? For your 50th birthday, [00:38:00] you get a hall pass. I'd be like, can I just go, you know, play video games for a day. Yeah. Can I go

Speaker 2: to a hotel by myself?

Speaker: Yeah. Can I avoid getting rejected over and over for 24 hours?

Why would you do that To me,

Speaker 2: that's,

Speaker: that's

Speaker 2: mean. That's what it would be too. These men don't under, they would just be roasted for 24 hours.

Speaker: They, they download Tinder and they're like, here we go publish. I dunno what the button is for. And then they're waiting, they're like, it's not publish,

submit, whatever the, for they're waiting there and they're like, oh, here it comes. Is this working? They're shaking their phone. I've gotten zero matches. Why is nobody, I'm just swiping on everybody where, but,

Speaker 2: but I set my thing to 18 plus, which statistically has been proven. They do.

Speaker: I lied and said that I was wealthy.

Speaker 2: I used my photo from high school.

Speaker: What is going on [00:39:00] with this? Yeah. But

Speaker 2: you see it even in like divorces and then they're like fucking miserable. Mm-hmm. Because they're like, I thought I was gonna walk out into a naked orgy with all these

Speaker: beautiful women. It turns, it turns out the grocery store, uh, cashier was not, what do they call it?

Cash, uh, register worker. Clerk register.

Speaker 3: I dunno. Register

Speaker: person. Uh, it turns out she really did just want my money from my groceries. She was not, I,

Speaker 2: I actually, I've had this conversation with someone recently, but I like, have a problem with it. 'cause I feel like these, not all men, but I feel like men weaponize like the service industry, like they weaponize the knowledge that.

A lot of women who like, and I'm talking about like waitresses, you know? Mm-hmm. Like, and even like front desk people, whatever, it's like mm-hmm. Their employment is based on whether or not they get good feedback. Mm-hmm. Or with a [00:40:00] tip their mm-hmm. Their tip is based on whether or not the person enjoyed their interaction or in their service, essentially.

Right.

Speaker 3: Right.

Speaker 2: And so it's like, they like weaponize that, 'cause they know that, so they like take advantage of those moments, like to get this person's time and their attention. Mm-hmm. Because they know, they know that the front desk person's gonna have to laugh at their jokes and is gonna have to like, sit through their stories and like, I'm sitting there watching these men and I'm like.

They're at their work, man. Like, they gotta go. I get that. You're not socializing. It's not fair to force people to socialize with you, right. When that is not what their job is and you see it all the time.

Speaker: Mm-hmm. And, and it's, I think there's two conversations we had. There's, there's obviously one type of socializing where it's like this weird, creepy guy.

Like there's a video I reposted the other day from last year about the, uh, the, the, the girl that works at the golf course, the one that works at the golf course. Which one? Uh, and the guy, yeah. Well, there. And, and, and the guy comes at, he was like, I'm dangerous. Uh, and he the whole yes. Where, where that's the, the weird where you can [00:41:00] tell this guy thinks he is God's ga versus I've had personally had wonderful conversations with elderly and it it, there's a certain point where I feel bad 'cause our society does make elderly people invisible.

Right. Sure. Where, where they are just ignored and there's no one and their fa especially if they don't have a close family nearby. Right. And so, so there, but, so I wanna be clear though not, we're not talking about those people just in case there are people watching us that don't know the two of us. Like, or I, I know most people follow 'cause I think most people that follow us know that that's not what we're referring to.

No, of course not that. But I wanna be clear that there is like, there's a very clear type of older man that we are, that you see. Constantly that is predatory and thinks that because they're wearing a wedding ring, that they are immediately able to say really inappropriate things. Yeah. And to, to flirt, like, like to not flirt in a way that they're accusing the people they're talking to or flirting, but like openly being like, you know, if I was 20 years younger

Speaker 6: mm-hmm.

You,

Speaker: I [00:42:00] would've been all over you. It's like, are are you saying that you don't, you think she's disgusting now? Is that you're, are you just admitting that

Speaker 3: Right. You

Speaker: want to be all over her right now, but you're using this as an excuse to Uh mm-hmm. To say like, just don't worry. Don't worry, don't leave.

Please don't leave.

Speaker 3: Right.

Speaker: But stick around and let me make you uncomfortable for the next 20 minutes. Yeah. Telling you about all the ways that I'm great

Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, that they are weaponizing the dynamic. They understand it. Mm-hmm. 'cause they're not going up to every woman. It's like, you see this like the similar interaction over and over and over and like, you see, I, I feel like it happens a lot with younger women mm-hmm.

Who are like, ha and having to like, laugh through awkwardness. It's like people will say, oh, that's just the service industry. It's like, is it though, because it's mm-hmm. Has nothing to do with the exchange. It has nothing to do with waiting tables. It has to do with the fact that the guy wants validation or he wants to hit on a woman who is, is, is, is basically forced into this [00:43:00] interaction.

Mm-hmm. And her payment is determined by whether or not he thinks highly of her. And that's mm-hmm. Bullshit and that's unfair. And it's like putting women into this category. They shouldn't be. Like, you shouldn't have to have the guy be attracted to you in order to get paid what you like, what you're worth, and like mm-hmm.

The service you've given to be paid what you deserve.

Speaker: Going back to the original clip too, they talk about like how women are better at rejecting, uh, and what the whole point of that though is I think most women as a, I don't wanna speak for all women here. You can like, but, but from what I hear, hear from women saying in my comment sections, especially when I make these, is that they are, many women are constantly on edge as far as what is the most effective way to reject this person without this turning into a creepy or violent or mm-hmm.

Scary situation. Mm-hmm. Right. So of course they're very good. 'cause when a man's rejecting somebody. He's not worried, is this gonna lead to her following me to my car? Right. Is this gonna [00:44:00] get her angry? Where she's gonna start yelling at me in public? Is this going to X, Y, and Z? So he doesn't have to think of it.

So he is not gonna be good at rejecting 'cause he is never, isn't thinking about all of the other aspects of what could happen if this rejection is not handled perfectly. Mm-hmm. In this situation.

Speaker 2: And I also assume, I mean this is not a world in which I've ever lived in or ever will probably with the way things are going, but like we don't know how women would behave if safety wasn't a factor.

Like maybe women would ask out men more, like maybe women would flirt more, right? Because right. We've, like, we live in a world in which it can mean literal death. Mm-hmm. If you flirt with the wrong guy, it can mean something bad can happen, like mm-hmm. We know the rates that men lie to women. Mm-hmm.

Especially in a short exchange, if they're trying to sleep with them. Like there's so much risk for women. Like if that wasn't the case and there was not this [00:45:00] inherent danger mm-hmm. Flirting, like I bet a lot more women would hit on guys. Just thinking back to when I like dated men, like if I knew shit would not go sour.

Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: This is gonna be shocking. I was a bit of a flirt in my day, but like, I would even. With like withhold like parts of my personality and like be more subdued because I was terrified mm-hmm. Of how I would be taken because my, like, I shouldn't even say I was a flirt. This is kind of the point. Like my personality was taken as flirting always.

Mm-hmm. Even when I was just trying to be funny. Even when I was just trying to be friendly, like mm-hmm. So what I was, was myself, but men took that as flirting is the proper way of saying it. And so I would like change my personality. I would make sure I was less touchy. I would be careful how I talk to people.

Mm-hmm. Because so often they would take it as flirting and then move it forward. And so like, that's scary. Like not being able to be who you are because of the way that men, they're so ready to perceive. As ready, they're like ready to perceive like, oh, she's [00:46:00] into me, but equally to feel rejected and get mad.

Mm-hmm. They're highly sensitive to either feeling and like it's a knife's edge, like it could go mm-hmm. Like, no matter what you do, it's, it's so close to being perce perceived in a way that's negative.

Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: It's, it's a delicate, delicate game that women have to play. And, um, yeah, like I, God, I would've loved to just be able to be my friendly, fun self and not fear, like what that would look like.

Mm-hmm. And like, had I been more interested in men, I probably would've like flirted with more of them, but it's like, you can't, so it's like, yeah, no, of course, because you, you're, you're not taking any of the risk so you can mm-hmm. Go for as many people as you want. Women are taking huge risks, so like, maybe it has nothing to do with nature.

Like, we're naturally better at rejecting people and more about the environment in which we're forced to date.

Speaker: Yeah. No, absolutely. And it, it's the same thing. The conversation always comes up where men will complain. Like, or if a woman says like, [00:47:00] have you noticed that I'm not, you're not being approached as much anymore.

And men will be like, this is what you get. This is your fault. You're not, it's your world feminist. Your world feminist. It's your own fault. And like every single woman I always talk to, it's, it's not getting a, like, don't get me wrong, it's annoying to get approached if you're just having dinner with your fa your friend or something like that.

Like, that's always annoying to be like, this is not a dating situation. Yeah. Why are you coming up to me? Me, I'm literally in a restaurant with a friend, um, right now. But, uh, but like the, the, the overwhelming majority of responses I always see is it's not being approached that I really care about. It's the, it's the way that you handle my rejection.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Right.

Speaker: It's Can you just say, if I say no. Oh no, thank you. I'm having dinner right now. Do you say? Yeah. I'm so sorry. I have a good night and walk away. Yeah. Then it's like, okay, that's fine. Nobody would care. Yeah. You'd be able to, it's, it's guys will get mad that women are really defensive and upset about getting hit on in these public places when they [00:48:00] don't realize it's because of terrible men that are doing that are the way that they react.

That is causing so many people to be afraid of like, oh fuck, what's it gonna, uh, is this gonna ruin our night now? Is this gonna end up being this whole thing I have to deal with for the rest of the night? Or is he just gonna be a normal human being that can just be like, so sorry about that. Have a good night.

Come on.

Speaker 2: And it's also the way in which you're getting approached too, because it's like they wanna act like all of these rejections and approaches are like polite, fun. You're out at a bar, you're like mm-hmm. Like everybody's trying to date. And then, you know, some woman's just the worst.

Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: And she makes it awful.

And she ruins a guy's night. It's like so often like. It's in settings that aren't appropriate, like you said, like you'll be like a woman will be eating with her friend and somebody interrupts mm-hmm. What she's doing. Mm-hmm. Because he wants to date her. Like there's this idea that these men have that, like the second they step [00:49:00] outside mm-hmm.

Everybody's fair game. Mm-hmm. And they should get to hit on anybody they want and they should get to, you know, interject into any conversation and invade any space because them getting laid is the most important. And that's just not the world that we live in. Like if they had men doing to them, to that, to them co consistently.

Like sometimes the best example is when you put it with like gay men. Like if they had gay men who they were not attracted to constantly trying to hit on them and get with them. Mm-hmm. I don't think they would like it. And you have to do man to man because. Of the threat level. Like they don't see what, like women, they, they, they just don't see them as equals uh mm-hmm.

No, they just don't see them as equal threats. But it's like the way that it's happening, like is intrusive. Mm-hmm. It's overbearing. It's entitled, it is entitled to think you can interrupt someone's time, who is by no means wanting to interact with you. Mm-hmm. I don't understand why these men think that they should just have free access to women all the [00:50:00] time.

And I, that's what they're pissed about. Mm-hmm. They want access all the time. There was this huge argument where this woman was getting her kid in the car and this guy was approaching her and she was yell. She was like, stop, get away from me. Don't come near me. Because she was in a very vulnerable position.

We know that's where a lot of muggings happen. Mm-hmm. Kidnappings like in that space where you're like in the, getting in the car and she had a, a young child in a car seat and so she screamed at him to get away and this guy went on this rant about, I just can't walk up to people like. All of it's missing the point, which is just that we didn't set up this world like

Speaker 6: mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: In a perfect world where no one was threatening and people weren't getting assaulted all the time, you know, violence against women wasn't an issue. Mm-hmm. Then maybe that wouldn't be as big of a deal. Maybe women wouldn't mind being approached. I still think it's intrusive. That's my opinion. Mm-hmm. But we don't live in that world, so we can't pretend that we [00:51:00] do.

If you want that access, quote unquote access to women, then give them a world in which they're safe to allow access. Mm-hmm. Then fight to be better, then, then talk to your guys. Where's the problem? The problem is with the people who make women feel unsafe. Mm-hmm. So fix that shit and then come at us about how you can't access us.

Like do that first, and then we can have a conversation. But until we're in a space where it's even safe, this is the bare minimum, is that women can feel safe to date. You're never gonna be able to do these things. Like if you've got a problem, talk to the guys who ruined it for you. Calls coming from inside the house, I think.

Yeah.

Speaker: And there will be guys. I remember there was one guy that, and I was like, oh, boo boo. Uh, he got so upset because I brought up the idea. I was like, you know, like one of the best ways to meet people, as you know, have hobbies, have friends be blah, blah, blah. Mm-hmm. He was like, I have, I have a bunch of friends that are women.

They never try to set me up with anybody and they have so many [00:52:00] single friends. I was like, what do they know about,

Speaker 2: about

Speaker: let's, let's use

Speaker 2: our deduction here. What do we think that means?

Speaker: Yeah. I feel like, or, and the other side of it is, there'll be a guy that, and this is the reality is, and this is just, just, I, I, I don't like, there's, I realize attraction is subjective.

Sure. I realize that that good looking to one person is not gonna be good looking to something else, but it'll be a guy. That is, is very clearly not a catch. Sure. In so many, I don't mean just looks, I mean, in some ways Yeah. There's just so many things and they'd be like, well I don't understand why I can't get with, and it'll be like this supermodel that is making, you know, six figures on her own and has has this funny, vivacious personality that is actually clearly, and I don't understand why wouldn't she wanna be with me?

I'm nice. That's what I'm saying. I'm

Speaker 9: nice guy. Is that what your podcast [00:53:00] was

Speaker 2: of your

Speaker 9: old podcast? Yeah. It still

Speaker 2: sometimes.

Speaker 9: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Well that, I mean, that's what it is. And it's all like, they have this insane expectation of women and it's like what they actually like. 'cause because let's not like play games here.

These men may sleep with. A lower bar in their own minds of women, but they will degrade them. They will talk shit on them. They will hurt them, harm them, uh, emotionally, hopefully not physically, but who knows? Like they will treat them like shit. Mm-hmm. That is still not the one they like, just because they're using them transactionally, they want sex.

Mm-hmm. So they're not even seeing them as people. They're like, I don't even, I'll get with anyone. It's like, no, you won't though. Mm-hmm. You, you'll sleep with anyone. You'll still have the same shit opinions of women and you'll use and abuse them for your own benefit till you can get something better.

Not the same thing.

Speaker: Well, it, it goes back to work guy. Like, that's the exact thing where guys were like, you know, a rich man won't care if she's working at McDonald's or if she's doing like making no money. [00:54:00] He just all he cares about. Is her physical beauty. But the reality is though, that's not true.

There's, there's studies on assortative mating that goes in depth on the fact is rich men marry other rich women. Yeah, they do. Poor men marry other poor women. Middle class men marry other middle class. It's, the reality is most of the people in most re there are always gonna be outliers. Yeah. Well, have you seen the movie Pretty Woman?

Right? But there's, there's, that's a film. That's a, oh, that's, that's a, that's something that somebody wrote that's not

Speaker 2: real.

Speaker: But there, there will be like all these people that will like, will bring up that like, see, men don't care at all. There was a video I was gonna respond to before it was somebody was making the argument.

The, the numbers don't show that though. Like the actual data shows that people tend to both in attraction, both in in wealth, both in all these sort of things. People tend to marry people that are in roughly the same social circle as them.

Speaker 2: But it's also like she's, she's rich in the commodity with which he's interested.

Mm-hmm. Which is [00:55:00] youth. Mm-hmm. They're interested in you, like usually young, skinny women. Who are beautiful, who they can again use and abuse and then throw out. So it's like, well,

Speaker: well, but that's the point. If, uh, if they wanna be in a relationship with them though right. They're still not gonna be with that person if she doesn't have the same family background, if she doesn't have the same Right, sure, sure.

Sort of things for them. Does it happen? Sure. Of course. My, like, I, I grew up in poverty and my wife grew up like relatively upper or middle class, you know, so there are, there are people that you can find love. Yeah. Right. In different, uh, in any tax bracket. In any tax bracket. But the reality is the majority of people, 'cause that's who you're socializing with, right?

Yeah. If you are rich, you're probably socializing with other rich people. If you're poor, you're usually associating with other poor people. That's just what it is.

Speaker 2: Well, I just, but they just don't, they don't recognize what's happening. They don't recognize the commodity. Like, what are you, what do you bring to the table?

Speaker 6: What

Speaker 2: do you bring to the table? Like honestly, like what do you have that someone would wanna partner with? Are you [00:56:00] like, they'll say nice, but usually they aren't nice. What they are is performative to get sex. Like that's not being nice, that's being manipulative. Mm-hmm. It's kind of the opposite. Mm-hmm.

And so it's like, what do you bring to the table? And they'll wanna bring nothing but they'll want the world. Mm-hmm. And it's this crazy, this crazy expectation. And again, it's like they think. They should have unlimited access to whoever they want. Mm-hmm. Whenever they want. And they're mad that they don't, and I am shocked by this expectation mm-hmm.

That these guys have, they're like, well, why can't I stay with this? Why can't I give this person, why can't I have Sydnee Sweeney or whatever. Mm-hmm. God, whatever the young guys are obsessed with, uh, it's like, um, why should you though? Mm-hmm. Like, what do you bring to the table? What do have to

Speaker: offer?

Speaker 2: Yeah.

What do you have to offer? Send you sweetie.

Speaker: All all she wants is for XY. Like, no, women won't wanna be with you if you don't, if you don't have a job. If you're not attractive. If you're not funny. It's like, yeah. That's why anybody's with a partner, you [00:57:00] want something. Right. It offers you something in your life that you, that you didn't, you wouldn't have with it.

Your life should be better as a result of your partner for men and women. A

Speaker 2: hundred percent. Your life should be, life should be better. Better with your partner in it. Mm-hmm.

Speaker: If you're only making their life worse as a result of you coming into it. Yes. Then there's, there's, why would she wanna be with you?

It's like, that's not, that's not superficial. That's just life.

Speaker 2: To be clear, we're not talking about, uh, we've had a comment before of like someone, uh, I think they were someone who was disabled feeling bad about like, well, I bring. Like if I make life harder, that's not what we're talking about. No,

Speaker 6: no, no, no.

Speaker 2: We're talking about when you bring like mm-hmm. We're talking about people who do no work within themselves to bring something positive into a relationship that things that are totally under their control.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: They are choosing to bring the worst of themselves.

Speaker: Mm-hmm. Also, we both have disabilities.

Right. I'm autistic, which is it? That's the de that's a disability. And [00:58:00] I definitely, I have diagnoses. Yeah. I definitely, my wife's life is much harder as a result of that in many ways. Right. But it's, we're talking about a, uh, overall. Yeah. And I'm bringing more to the table Yes. Than other, and that's not me.

Obviously. My, my autistic tendencies are very lo They are, are I can people can love them. We're we're just talking about are, are you actually. Like, I, I think everyone has someone worthy of love if they find the right person, right? Yeah. Everybody is worthy of finding someone, but it's people that are seeking out women or men even, you know, there are people across the gender spectrum, non-binary, anybody of course that is, that are terrible people, right?

Um, but it's when you're seeking out somebody, not because they offer something to your, to your life or like that you enjoy being with them or you enjoy laughing with them, you enjoy a hobby with them, you enjoy whatever it is. It's just solely because, oh, I wanna be with this person because it'll be impressive to other people, right?

I want to be with this person because [00:59:00] that's what I'm supposed to be doing now. This is when I, this is what I'm supposed to be. That, that's when it becomes toxic, right? Yeah. When you, when that person becomes an ornament or an object. Yeah. Solely. To, to for, to as a, as an NPC in your character sto story, right?

Mm-hmm. If they are not also your partner should be a sub main character or not sub a, uh, a co-main character right? In your life. That's, that's how you should be seeking out somebody. And when you treat people that way, when you treat people like they, uh, are not, that, that's when you run into so many other issues.

Speaker 2: And the other thing is like, rejection sucks for everybody. Mm-hmm. Like, nobody likes rejection. It's hard. Everybody faces it. Everybody like in different facets of life. Like maybe someone does well romantically, but not in business. Like, there's so many ways in which we can all be rejected and nobody likes it, but it's having the expectation that you shouldn't have to feel it, and the entitlement that you should have, whatever woman you want, because.

No [01:00:00] matter how bad rejection feels, it does not entitle you to other human beings. You do not have the right to another human being's time, attention, space, body.

Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. And I don't care what the argument is, like if it gets to that point where that's what you're saying. Like so many of these men are saying that.

Mm-hmm. They're like, well, I should, I should be able to. Mm. It's like you, you don't get to force yourselves upon people. Mm-hmm. Like I'm mm-hmm. Like, you don't, sorry. Like, I don't care how much rejection sucks. The, the other is worse. Mm-hmm. The other is far worse. Mm-hmm. And pretending that it's not as ridiculous.

Speaker: There have been several guys that call me a liar. They're like, when I, when I'll, like, I'll talk about the fact that I was broke. Mm-hmm. I was not enga, I was, I was not like as outta shape as I am now. But I was not enraged. I've never been like an Adonis, I've never been like, you can never see my muscles.

Right. Like my, my body's always been like, at that I had a dad bot at 20. Right. It was, it was not [01:01:00] like, uh, so anyways, but preemptive dad,

Speaker 2: bo

Speaker: the, the reality is I still had, didn't really have trouble dating very much because I was actually. Uh, I was, I treated people with kindness. Right. I would try, I was funny occasion.

Sounds like I feel weird even saying nice things about myself. I was funny. I was funny. Once was funny. At one point I was funny. What happened? What happened? Right. But I, the, the rea forget positive things. I didn't have money. I was not built though, I guess I was tall. That was the one thing I had, I've always been tall.

I worked hard on that. Right. I grew real

Speaker 2: good.

Speaker: I grew real good when I was younger. That was my best attribute. Yeah. Um, but the fact is, I I was able to date. Yeah. 'cause I wasn't an asshole. Like, it, it was, I wasn't, they get, there were people that, and there's studies that talk about this. When you are around people enough and they get to know you and they find out about you.

All of these things that are immediate wants that we want tend to become less important when you realize that there's pertinent person is offering something to your life above and beyond [01:02:00] a paycheck. Right. Right. Above and beyond, having this being the trophy that you can show off on social media.

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: That's so right.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Well, any final thoughts? CHASCo,

Speaker: you can all be better.

Speaker 2: Profound. Yeah, very profound. You

Speaker 3: can do it.

Speaker 2: Thank, thank you friends for joining us today. As you know, we have the Patreon, so check that out. It's even more unhinged, I would say. Mm-hmm. And other than that, check out our socials and we will see you next week.

Speaker: Bye. Love you. Bye. Love you.