This is John King with JK Welding. We're here at Fabtech 2025 in Chicago and thank you for coming over to the Brice of Spooth today. Pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me. You bet, you bet. And we were just talking a moment ago and can you tell me about JK welding. What JK welding is what you guys do? We do just about anything under the sun. Okay. Fabrication wise, you know, if from a carbon stainless aluminum, there's not much we don't do. I mean, we'll even mow your grass if you want us to, you know? Okay. Yeah. Laser cutting, plasma cutting, forming, shaping, bending, press break work, pipe work, we do coating, galvanizing, we do just about anything. We're a full turnkey, one stop shop. - Okay. - That's always been like our motto, one stop shop. And that is no lie. The only thing we outsource is weld inspections because we like to be non -bias. We don't want to inspect our own welds. That's like grading your own paper, you know? So that's the only thing that we really outsource. I will also have some powder coating and some inspection. Other than that, we're a full in -house, turnkey facility, and we love it like that. And we've become that way more and more and more over the years. We didn't start off that way. I mean, I started my company in the garage, you know? - Okay. - My two -car garage. So very limited resources, very limited tooling, and it was just me, you know? - So let's back up. So how did you, well, it What got you started, where you grew up around, was like your old man do it like into the stuff or? - I didn't have any mentor or I didn't learn from any family or a friend. You know, I was just, I did work for my dad for the first few years of my career, but besides working for him when he didn't have jobs, he shared a shop with a welding shop, you know? - Okay. - And I would just work in the welding and I'll just start learning how to weld. It was a natural knack for me. I felt so comfortable doing it. And then I found out, started everyone else, that I had a natural knack for supervision. 23 years old, I got a crew of 15, 20 guys, and I'm delegating orders and giving commands and running a job at 23. - Well, you have a presence about you. - Oh yeah. - You know? - Oh yeah. - Absolutely. - I Imagine how the team might have been like, "Yeah, I'll just do what John's got planned." So you go for, so what would you say you were, when you were getting started, what sort of welding were you doing? What type of projects? - So inner shield, MIG welding, flux core welding, fabricating big plate on big tanks. Tanks that are eight and 10 foot deep, 10 inch, 12 foot wide, 30, 40, 50 - Yeah. - Just well and solid two inch thick bevels, inch and a half bevels all day long. - Like a man's stuff. - Oh yeah, man's stuff, yeah. - That's what I like to do. - Wearing heat shield all over your arms to prevent burns just well and all day, you know. - Okay, so that's kind of where you, so at what point did you say it's time for John King to go this way? - So I had various different occupations as far as different styles of jobs throughout my early year after working in the weld shop for four years, I went on to work for a school district. They sent me to school to become a licensed air conditioning mechanic. So I have a type A license for commercial air conditioning as well and refrigeration. I did that for a year and a half. I went on from there to run a welding rig and working for a boiler company Rollin tubes in a tube sheet for bowlers and back welding tubes in tube sheets I did that for a year and a half two years And then after that I laid brick for a little while because I early in my career with my dad I had laid some bricks so I kind of learned to do that So it's just a mixture of a bunch of different stuff, but welding was my main focus and then in 1996 I went to work for a forging company. - Okay. - Not as a welder, as a die mopper. - Okay. - Well, they bring hot molten steel into a press. I actually had a mop and a bucket with oil in it and I would oil the dies. - Got it, okay. - I did not want to do that. - Well, it's pounding the hell out of the metal. - It's pounding the hell out of the metal. It's forging it, extruding it into different shapes. - Okay. - I did not want to do that, but I knew that in order to get my foot in the door and get to a welding position, You have to start at the bottom. - Okay. - So I kept my foot the door and I was a dime hopper for about six months. - Okay. - And then they heard I was a welder. Somebody told somebody I was a welder. They came to me, they needed welders. I took a test, got a welding position. I ended up staying at that job for nine years. - So you liked what you were doing? - I did like it. It felt like hero of the day, but I will tell you, it was the most dangerous, Extreme, dangerous, hazardous job I've ever done in my life. - All right, tell me about that, like. - It's a forging plant. - Yeah. - It's very slippery, it's dark, it's dungy, extreme heat conditions. Heat conditions like you've never seen before. - Yeah. Just because they had to make all that metal malleable, so heat and everything, 'cause we're heating everything up. - Heat and everything, and they're lubricating everything so the metal doesn't stick to the molds with graphite real fine graphite so when you walk in this big Ford shop you look up and you see all this fine graphite floated through the air well today when you get off where you blow your nose graphites you see man you're breathing that stuff you know so like the really fine powder stuff really fine float through the air so I don't know if you said you've got a hit You've got a few kids, did you ever do the derby? Like what are the little cars that you make, like fully scout type stuff? We had to put the graphite move on those axles. - So that's the same thing. - Okay, same stuff. - Basically the same stuff. - Yeah, there's no way you couldn't breathe that in. - No, you can't. - It's everywhere. - Yeah, you just get accustomed to breathing it every day and it's just after nine years, let with the guys who've been there 30 and 40 years. 'Cause I was the first welder they hired in 32 years. - Really, okay. - Yeah, so I grew up around old school dudes, old school welders. - Yeah, like no masks. - Oh no, no masks. - Just kind of close your eyes for a second. - No automatic hoods, no tick welding, no plasma cutter. There was none of that. - Yeah. - None of that. - 'Cause back like man's camp. - It was. - Yeah. So basically if you had to cut a piece of metal, you cut it with a torch. That was it. We didn't have metaboblades. Right. We're grinding wheels, not metaboblades. Yeah. I'm getting a straight cut doing that's not the easy thing to do. So there's like 15 welders and the youngest one was 58 years old and I'm 26. And what do they think of you? Oh, they half of them hated me. Okay, yeah. But I didn't give a crap. Well, you can't worry about that. No, I don't give a crap, but a lot of people do worry about, you know. A lot of people worry about what other people think about them. I don't, you know. I proceed on to who I am and you get raw real me and that's it, you know. Yeah. So, there's no fake in my life. Well, right. Well, you're there to contribute and do what you can. Half the guys didn't like me because I was infringing on their territory. Yeah. They've been here 30, 40 years, got a new whipper snapper, someone that's young, young buck coming in, wanting to take my job, you know? But I brought life to them as well, you know? One day I came in with an automatic welding hood and they were like, they were like monkeys, like one banana is boom, boom, boom, boom. Where you got, you know, where you got, you know? And I showed them, it's an automatic welding hood, they're like, what is that? I said, as soon as you strike an arc, the lens goes dark. They could not believe it. All the ones that didn't like me, all of a sudden like me now. - Yeah. - And within a week, they all had automatic hooks and they were carrying them around on a little hook on their belt, like a sheriff with a pistol. - Yeah. - All proud. - So that's a day, you're helping out there. - So I stayed there nine years. I got tired of the hazards, conditions. like I'm tired of working by myself. They're in a lazy bone in my body. And if you want to get somewhere in life, you must have those type of bones or get them somewhere. - That's a fact. You gotta have a good body right here. - I started my welding JK -1 in the garage about a year before I decided to, I wanted to quit. 'Cause I couldn't just quit. I wanted that reassurance to having something in place. - Smooth transition. - But I also have a very bad habit of hunting and fishing. - Hey, well-- - Well, good habits, that's it. - Or you got a bad habit of working. - I got a bad habit of working, too. But I had to be able to have enough income to come in to subside that habit I had and pay the bills at home. - Yeah. - You know, I needed hunting and fishing money. So I started doing stuff from the side. What kind of fishing do you like doing? Bass fishing, and I like to fish in the bay in Texas. Okay. And Matagorda Bay, down by South of Galveston. So you're not on the dock? No. No, you're not on the boat. No, I'm on the boat. I got a boat, we go out and boat all the time. I like to salt water fish, speckle trout, red fish, flounder. I like to bass fish, that's what I like to do. So I ended up having to, you know, revert back to myself of having additional income to support that habit and pay my bills at home. So that's what I started doing. I just started doing projects for various people out of my garage. And I did one or two then jobs. I did another job, another job. Next thing you know, there's people bringing me all kind of stuff to do for them. and some of the stuff is hey this is an idea I have but I'm not sure how to get from here to there and I'm like I got you got you do you remember the first project no I spent too many what's the what's the first one you remember that you're like you know this is always happening for me and in the first I guess the first couple few projects I might have done that were significant enough to remember yeah we're like I manufactured and built like over 75 deer feeders Got I went got the drums I painted them all That's what I realized man. I can paint pretty good. I can take some camouflage like nobody You know that's not as easy as people think by the way, so I go give 55 gallon drums I would fabricate the brackets to go on the side. I would cut the legs to go on the side And I would sell it as a kid I put the tip it over put the flinger the cornfinger on the bottom and I would sell these things. $150, $200. Next thing I know I'm $75, $100 into it. So I remember building deer feeders a lot, deer stands, building some barbecue pits and it's funny because as my company has grown and more people have come in to work for me and we've grown over the years, those are the things that I no longer do anymore. Right. Those are just things I did that I like to do, but it got me started. - Okay, and so as time has gone on, you've been kind of more like, that's what I, those are my fun things to do and we're getting more into the business side of like, okay, I've got something here. I can really make a business. And did you have a, when you kind of made that pivot, did you have a clear sense of where you wanted to go at that point? - Just up. - Up. - Sometimes that's all you need. - Up. - Keep - Oh, don't ever look down, get up, you know? - Yeah. - I never look back, take no prisoners. I did anything and everything I could to shake a hand, to get a client, to get into any kind of networking or get my name in front of somebody. You know, back in the day, which was, by the way, I quit my job, my full -time job, May 1st, 2005. I walked in my boss's office and I shut the door and he says, "Uh -oh," I said, "Yeah, boss. Time to go. I gotta go." And from that moment forward, I never lived back and never had a regret. Did he have a sense that you were going to be moving on? He know, because everybody knew I was doing work on the side. Okay. Because I went from being an overtime hog at work to, "Hey, King, you want to work overtime?" No, - Not today, I got a side job. I got a side job 'cause I'm making more money on the side. - Yeah. - And I got to the point when I did have a full -time job where I was working so much on the side, I ended up missing work. - Right. - Yeah, I was missing work so much to the point to where I was getting written up, you know? - And that was probably okay with you a little bit at that time. I mean, you didn't like it. - Absolutely. I would tell you this, they rewrote the attendance program after I left. Okay. I'll just tell you that new rules. Yeah. So when I did quit, I went across the street saw my paperwork to miss Eleanor. She turned the paper and she slid it to me. She gave me a pinch. We'll sign right here. I said, okay, and she grabbed my hand. She goes, Mr. King. Yes, ma 'am. And she says, it's a good thing that you're quitting today. I was like, why is that? She says, - We were gonna let you go at 2 .30 today. - Oh, wow. - And I said, "Miss Eleanor, when it gets too hot in the kitchen, I know when to get out." - So the time it worked, it kind of worked. - It worked out. - Okay, so you're, so did you have that moment? Okay, I've quit my study here, or I've resigned from my study, but I want to call the study, and now you've got your thing. Did you ever have any moments of like, - Oh gosh, what have I just done? - No, not at all. The moment I signed that paper, I was in such a hurry to run to the truck to get back to the shop because there's so much work to do for the next week to two weeks and I got hands. I had already hired hands. - You got a business going. - I got a business going on the side already before I quit. That's what most people's accomplishment of what they look for and strive for is to get a company up and and before they quit their regular job, there's no other better opportunity than that. - Yes. - You know, a lot of people quit their job and then hopefully started a company or they'll just barely start a company. I had four or five hands already working for me at a five shop I hadn't rented already. Within a year of time. - Well, I, before I started Brijos, had, I was in distribution. and I did what you didn't do, which is I had many things planned, but I had to quit this job, just coming to tech companies a far cry from distribution company. And so that next Monday, I'm like, it's on. I've got to get, I've got to get there. - Yeah, I didn't have time to think about, oh God, look what I've done. I didn't have time for that. I had time for, oh God, I better hurry up and get done with these projects, so I need to pay you. So when I asked you the outset you guys do a lot of different things you wanted to meet the turnkey one stop But maybe in the last five years or three years. What if you can remember what are some of the projects that you were like? Really proud of those manners. There's all of them, but there's so no, it's not all of them. There's some projects I'm not proud of okay, and that comes along when you're being business for 20 years having hundreds and thousands of hands, what for? You know, down in Texas, they have a place called Kema. It's Kema Boardwalk. That was a big milestone that started off early in my career of my business. I'd only been in business three years when Hurricane I hit the Gulf Coast of Texas and destroyed, just destroyed the whole coastline. I was highly involved with that. I had to hire a lot of hands, I went from 10 hands to 40 hands over nine. - That's a big difference. - And so I rebuilt the entire chemo boardwalk down in Texas, if you guys know where that's at. Besides that, I've done some other crazy jobs. I helped rebuild the battleship of Texas in 2014. - Tell me about that project. - Very Dungee. Yeah. Very dark. A lot of spiderwebs. A lot of spiderwebs. The most supervised job we've ever had. You know we go down in the ship to work on it. You have people there watching you so you don't touch anything else of the historical artifacts. Okay. There's times I went down there and I'd see it like a like a soda pop can that was from like the 1940s 1930s and it's all still sitting in its original spots along with other items and you you can't touch that stuff okay it's a museum yeah it's a museum basically you know so we had the bottom of that ship was rusted out we were putting in uh stiffer plates and uh welded in plates to help prevent the flooding of the keep it afloat. So you're like kind of cistern up the structures to like okay. Right. And that was this one hundredth year anniversary. Here it is now. It's one hundred and eleventh year anniversary. Actually a hundred and tenth year anniversary. It was rebuilt completely. So it's totally restored and repainted now. Okay. And it's open to the public now. It's a really great piece of history. That's really cool. Yeah. That's a good one to be part of. It's a fascinating piece of history to be a part of. Actually to go on there and to see, you know, that whole ship was put together with hot rivets. Right. Well, welding wouldn't even... It wouldn't have. I thought, you know. So we did that. We built all the air stations for the naval air station down in Corpus Christi, Texas. We have five airplane hangers, we built all of them, that's a milestone. How many square feet are those things? Oh, they're giant. We had a million. I'm talking 600, 800 ,000 square feet. Yeah. They're big. Those are massive. Yeah, they are. We built all those airplane hangers that were down there for two years. Two years. I was going to ask, how long is this actually going to take? Since then, did a couple of world records, built the world's largest wind chimes. All right, where'd you build that? This wind chime, and I'll provide you pictures so you can show your audience. Yeah, let's see this. It weighs 70 ,000 pounds. It took 3 ,000 feet of pipe to make it. I'm thinking wind chime, like the kind on the porch with the long things hanging down. What are we talking? No, you guys check this out. I'm going to show you a picture picture ever check this out right here we'll get them on this this thing has got many names a lot of people call it Roadrunner they call it tornado but it makes music when the wind blows the top three layers of pipe has special fluted machine holes in them when the wind goes over it sounds like a big pan flu you know okay yeah it to me it's not like a horror movie so this is the only one in the United States I built it for a very well -known old man in Texas. Yes. He had it for five years. He sold his property. The new buyer said you got to move through the artwork. So he donated the artwork to the city of Abilene, Texas. Wow. And a couple hundred thousand dollars. I said I'll give all this to you under one condition. Yeah. And they said what's that? He said, "You have to call John King to move it." If you don't call John, I'm not donating. - No. - So Aveline called me out of the blue, said, "Hey, we got a project for you. "We need you to move a wind chime." And I'm like, "Move a wind chime." - So did you know any of the backstory yet? - No. - So it was the first you heard of them? - No, they called me and said, "We need you to move a wind chime." I'm like, "There ain't but one wind chime in the world. "But I don't have to move. It's like yeah it's being donated to us. I'm like what the hell? So you didn't know what's going on yet? So they show me the location, the new location, need to move, disassemble it here in Austin. You need to transport it and you need to reassemble it in Avalon, Texas. That's all right, well here's your price and we moved it. Is that there today? It's in Avalon, Texas that's remarkable it is awesome besides that we've done also another world record the large world's largest nut really the world's large like just a heck it's a hex nut how big we talking waste 10 ,000 pounds okay it's 19 foot wide it's 16 foot tall and it has an ID thread of 10 feet and we'll give you some pictures so you can show the audience that as well. - So is that something that you, was that a commission thing? Or that's just like-- - It's always, it's always a commission thing. I never build stuff for fun. - Okay. - First of all, I never have time. - Well, yeah. - I mean, that's-- - Second of all, if you're building stuff for non -commissioned, you just want attention. - Right. - Already get enough attention. I don't need any more, - You know? - Yeah, well, I was gonna say, and also the people that are working for you are helping you, might be one or to John Loss's mind, if all of a sudden, it's a non -commissioned piece. We're gonna build the biggest tax bullet you've ever seen. They're like, "What are we doing here?" So you're an ambitious person, you are where you are today. Where is JK Weldick going? What do you got in your head? Like, what's next? - Over the last 11 years, I have tried to purchase the 10 acres that's landlocked behind JK Weld. It's landlocked by me and the church next to us. And then on the other side of that property behind me is a pipeline in a neighborhood. So it's been landlocked for 12 years. And I've attempted seven times to buy it. Obviously the landowner finally got up over the age where he figured it's time to sell, quit fighting the fight. Let's sell it to JK Wogue. So we bought it and within 35 days we cleared the entire property. We fenced it with over a thousand feet of fence. I brought in 800 tons of fresh concrete. We put up a brand new paint shop. We poured 30 trucks of concrete. I did all this and commissioned all this and I ran and supervised all this personally myself. Yeah. To save money. Yeah. You want something done? Do it yourself. Save money. What was your biggest learning in doing that? I mean, like some of that stuff you had maybe done before, I'm assuming. I mean, that's a big project. It's a big project. So what was kind of the part you're like, oh, we'll make it happen. But I'm not totally sure yet on how it's going to go. There was no part of me that was not totally sure. Yeah. Okay. It's all committed 100 % and let's go gas pedal the metal. Let's get it. Yeah, hit her out. Hit her out. Yeah, clear the property We discovered a 40 foot by 80 foot concrete slab on the property That was already existing covered with rushing trees and perfect condition. What's the seller aware that that was there? I don't know. I didn't talk to the seller did not have Yours now. It's mine now. - Good Lord have blessed my ass. (laughing) - That was a good, that was a good find. - You know what? - And it was stabilized. I can put a real weight on it. - Oh man, it's perfect. It looked like a brand new slab. - Okay. - The moment we discovered that and cleaned it off, I'm like, what? - We can do some of that. - We're gonna put a brand new paint shop here. We've been needing a bigger paint shop, so we put a 40 by 80 paint shop on there. I ordered the building two weeks later, it got put up, it got put up last Monday. They're now, as of yesterday, they're finished or done. And you're going to start moving gear in there? Yep. Today they're officially finished hanging lights inside there. Okay. All the LED lighting and they exhaust fans, you know, for all the painting systems. We put all that in, finishing up today. And what type of paint systems are you going to be capable of? Just basic, your basic epoxy. Just basic epoxy, - Okay. - Doesn't special. - Okay. - Yeah. - And most of our customers, that's all they ever require. - Okay. - We're not professional painters by any means. You know, if you're needing, you know, some special mill thicknesses and we need to do multiple inspections, you need to be certified to this paint spec or that's paint spec. We're not those guys. - Okay. - We offer just general painting for our customers and they love it. And they love their paint job. - And you're talking, both protection and, you know, aesthetic. Yes. Right? Exactly. Okay. Yeah. So today it's noon. It's on Tuesday. I have a meeting in the morning at 7am in Houston with electricians to start wiring this building up. Next phase, we're going to put up another fab shop next February or March, because I have two locations. Okay. The second location of where a lot of my guys are. There's 10 or 12 of them over there. They're actually gonna be brought back to the corporate office and we need to have a home for them, which is a new fab shop. - Yep. - Yeah, so we're gonna let our lease expire at the second location and bring those guys in. - Okay, that'll be nice to have everybody. - It will be. We got plenty of land now. We're gonna put up another building. That will probably give us about a total of 50 ,000 square foot under roof. - It's quite a bit. - It's quite a bit. - And so you'll have, how many people on site at that point? - That would be probably a total of about, that varies between 60 and 70. - Yeah. - Yeah, when things ramp up, I've had as many as 100. I like 50 to 70. Yeah, it's comfortable there. - It's comfortable. And I actually want to take us back to like the beginning, to like an earlier part of the conversation. So you're playing brick for a bit. - What'd you think of that? Did it give you like, I would-- - I freaking hated it, man. - Yeah, I mean, so I look, I was just, you know, we're in Chicago and I'm walking through the streets and I'm just looking at, there's so many bricks stacked up in this town. - Yeah. - It's like a never ending thing. - Yeah. But, I mean, looking back now, I realized I hated it more than I really did. Back then Man, I was a trooper, you know, I did what I had to do and I enjoyed the moment the moment I was doing it Yeah, but looking back now. It wasn't for me, you know, but that's what I did. I learned I learned a different trade I was open to it. Never said no, you know, never said no. I'm hoping to whatever Yeah, you usually don't regret learning how to do stuff very yet to be I and you have to have to be very ambitious. If you want a job and you want to be good at it and you want to strive to be a leader, you have to be ambitious. You just have to be. It's got to be embedded in you. I heard a saying, I forget where it was. It was within the last few days. Somebody said, I don't think they meant last name, but they said, "There's a king in every crowd," which I thought was sort - That's a good phrase. - Like in a big mess of people. With all these people here. - That's a good phrase. - There's a king in every craft. - I like that. I do like work. - And just think on that, 'cause I think it's sort of an interesting concept that-- - They're not all kings. I know means. It takes a rare person to be an entrepreneur, to be a leader. There's different multiple levels of different people throughout the world. from being a leader to being an owner, an entrepreneur, being a supervisor, a general foreman, a superintendent, a list goes on and on and on. Different people have different characteristics about themselves to be able to be comfortable to do really good at different jobs. - All right, let's talk about that for a second, which is entrepreneurship, what in your mind, I know it takes shapes and forms, but in your mind, what's sort of like the top three to five Characteristics that in your mind are basically requirements to be an entrepreneur, and you you got to be able to strategize free plan Got to be very strategic You got to be smart Gotta have good people but You know just got to have a wit about you that understands what you're doing now And what the next five steps are not what the next two steps are, what the next five weeks. So I'm a stickler for pre -planning and pre -organizing so much where I can see pieces falling in place to be successful. Not just an hour from now, but a day or a week from now, you know? I am fortunate enough to be aware of situations that are unfortunate situations, but able to see them prior to them happening and make those changes to not allow those things to happen. There's an author that said when you're an entrepreneur in a business, there's always a paddle coming down the track trying to hit in the ass, you know, and how do you make sure that you don't get throttled by that paddle that's coming down the track. You gotta be able to see it to believe it. And I think that There are people That are able to Kind of really see around the corner. Absolutely. They're just not that many of you know I've been fortunate enough to be able to label myself as one of those people to be able to see the unfortunate things coming or Hey, this is gonna happen and this is gonna happen if you don't see this and a lot of my hands look at me and go Damn, He's right, and I don't say it to be right. I say it so you're more successful working for me, you know? - And in a lot of things that other people say is, that's what makes him boss. He can see the things that you don't think about. - And I would-- - And I like being that person. - Well, it's nice to be that because it's an informed position to be in and if you can help your team be successful that's a great thing and I think that things that I may add to your list I'd be interested to your reaction I think that you need to have grit I mean there are times that are harder than others oh man you know and you just have to have a conviction in your vision you gotta have a lot of grit and just know that hey you know right now it's not you know this isn't my favorite you know my favorite face - You can't please everybody. - No? - That's 'cause at home and at work, you know? - Yeah, you can't please everybody. - Yeah, you can't. - Here's what it is, it's roll with the punches, baby. That's all I tell you, roll with the punches. - Yeah, sometimes you get handed some-- - Suck it up, Buttercup, you don't like it, that's too bad. - Yeah, I got a lot of Buttercups working around the shop. - Oh man, I ain't got none at my shop. We don't have Buttercups working at JK with. No sir, not at - No, not at all. - So what are you doing? So when you're not running JK Weldon or thinking about it, which maybe is at all times, but you do break way to go fish and hunt. - Oh yeah, absolutely. - So how often are you actually getting out to do that? - You know, I have a place down in South Texas and we get away to go down there, you know, every other weekend usually, you know? - Okay. - And then hunting season, of course We're that's upon us right now. - Yep. - Here we are in September. It's the kick off of bird season. I go to Mexico on Friday and I couldn't be happier. - Oh, you're wrong. - A lot of birds and a lot of tequila. - Yeah. - No, we are, I am from Texas. We love tequila. - Yeah, well, it's, you're right near it all, aren't you? - Yeah. - Right near it all. - But in November, you know, hunting season starts. I like taking my little boy out. I used to be a guy who went hunting Kansas for a week or two weeks and go to Missouri and go to Wisconsin. And I still enjoy that kind of stuff but my boy's at the age of 11 now. - Yeah. - So I have canceled and moved some of that off the back burner, onto the back burner and spending more time with him. So you guys listen up. Take a kid to the outdoors, it's the best thing you could ever do. I'm telling you, hunting, fishing, hiking, whatever it is, take a kid to the outdoors. It's an awesome memory. I'll second that. It's a really good use of time, you know, through those iPads in a bag and go do some nature stuff. So where can people find you when they got a project? What's the best way to and any social media, go to our website, jkwilding .net. We're all over Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, you name it. Catch me and my company on LinkedIn. For all you fab techers, a lot of you seem to like LinkedIn a lot, you know, I get stopped quite often to get recognized, and I get recognized from LinkedIn quite a bit. - Yeah. - Got a pretty big follow on there, and we always like posting pictures and very interesting I'm a story writer and that's what I like to do. And you guys can catch one of those stories on any of those social media channels. - All right. Well, also check out bryzers, bryzers .com, check out Irregardless Broadcast, where you'll learn more about John. And John, thanks for coming in, Dave. I really appreciate it. - Yeah, thank you. - It's fun to get to know you. - Yep, I appreciate it. - All right. - Thank you.