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to this show the first time, but seeing him again after Nashville. Good to see you, John. How are you, man?

Taoist Professor (03:50.094) It's doing okay, Charlie, thanks for having me.

Charlie Robinson (03:52.456) Well, thanks for coming on, man. It was good to see you in Nashville. You know, we get to these live events every now and then, reconnect, feel, you know, like you're not alone in this. What were you, how'd you, I didn't expect to see you at Nashville. I didn't know you were coming. Then boom, there you are. How was your experience for Third Eye Carnival back in April?

Taoist Professor (04:15.298) Good time. Yeah, I had popped in on Steve Poikinon's one of his shows and he just was like, why don't you come by? I did that and then pasta giardula who I actually we went to a conference few few years prior And kind of hung out and he hit me up and was like, hey, know, why you split the Airbnb with me? So I helped him kind of lug food around and kind of him cook a little bit I got to I got to pick up Kurt Metzger from Zany's and drive him to surprise everybody for the birthday party

Charlie Robinson (04:42.716) you're...

Taoist Professor (04:45.312) So I that's kind of fun. I got to have an hour alone with Kurt in the car both ways as he's character

Charlie Robinson (04:52.081) Yeah, that was great. That was great when I was sitting up there on stage and I can see, cause I can see the audience and I can see out the back door and I can see you guys walking towards them going, who is that? Who is that? That's John, but is he with a, does he have a big foot with him? Like who is that gigantic guy? It's Kurt Metzger. Kurt Metzger is a huge dude.

I could see from a while and then you guys got closer. I was like, I think that's Kurt Metzger. That would be really funny if it actually was him. And then you guys walk in and you just, you guys walk up on stage and there you go.

Taoist Professor (05:26.606) Yeah, yeah, it was fun fun time. Yeah, and then we we drive drove back and basically a tornado or it was like right behind us the whole time because the barn you know the podcast ended as You know, it's looking close to tornado style weather. So Kurt's like let's get out of here and like we're driving I mean it we were safe, but you could see he wasn't exactly comfortable I kind of felt bad for him because he was he didn't even know he was gonna be leaving He could have just stayed at Zanies and stuff, but it was a good time. It a good time

Charlie Robinson (05:41.553) Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (05:50.525) That's funny.

Charlie Robinson (05:55.83) Yeah, he was a good sport about all that. Sam Tripoli and Leonardo Giouni both did stand up in the middle of a tornado in a barn, which was great. It was pouring rain, wind was blowing all over, and Sam's like, man, I'm losing. I've never been heckled by the weather before, you know?

Taoist Professor (06:13.626) Yeah, I was totally overdressed for that. didn't, you know, I was like on brand and I ruined a nice pair of shoes my wife bought me. I told pasta I was like, these weren't the right shoes to wear. He goes, not at all. I what's wrong with you? I don't know. I didn't think about it, you know? Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (06:30.801) That's funny. it was good to see you there, man. And I think that I encourage people to get out to these live events if they can, if it comes to your area, or maybe you have the financial resources to get on an airplane and go someplace and do it. Just trade in some of these soon to be worthless federal reserve notes for experiences, you know what I mean? Like anything else than what they're doing right now. seems like.

Taoist Professor (06:33.944) Yeah.

Taoist Professor (06:56.258) Yeah, anything other than screen time, right? It's good for the soul to get some physical information, some human in 3D space interaction, not 3D metaverse space though.

Charlie Robinson (06:59.644) Right.

Charlie Robinson (07:08.261) Yeah, exactly. Well, I've been reading your work for a while, but maybe my audience hasn't. Can we just fill them in on who you are and what your sort of what your background is and how you wound up working with Whitney and the crew over at Unlimited Hangout or at least submitting articles for them? Like, what's your background?

Taoist Professor (07:28.611) Yeah.

So I'm a public educator by trade. I teach college rhetoric and research argumentation. I've been doing that for, guess it's getting close to 15 years now. And, you know, this is before Trump, maybe a year or two before Trump came to rise the first time around. So this is probably 2015 ish, maybe maybe closer to 2016. And where I was working in Illinois, we had a governor at the time's name was Bruce Rauner.

Republican and he was basically stalling on the budget and when that happens, know, public institutions, they don't get their money. So they get shut down and I'm looking around and I feel like this is a ploy to push public institutions into private receivership. And lo and behold, that is, you by the end of the whole debacle, they did get a voucher bill pushed in. One of my departments had gotten shut down as a result.

I wrote an article that sort of laid out what Charlotte Thompson is or beat had predicted about the school choice movement, which is basically public private partnerships. Nowadays, a good term might be like stakeholder capitalism for schools.

And, you know, I looked around it. I knew that Rauner was invested in charter schools. There's a there's a Rauner College prep in the Noble Network of Charter Schools in Chicago. I knew that he was buddy buddy with Arne Duncan, who was actually the secretary of education under Obama. If you looked at his state of the state addresses, he kept talking about career pathways and cradle to career and all these types of buzzwords that Charlotte Israbeat had warned about. So I wrote that piece and Charlotte got a hold of it and was like, hey, you know, great job.

Taoist Professor (09:15.728) Keep up the good work and that article became a series of articles which became the first chapters of my book And Charlotte helped me get in contact with Chris Milligan. Thank you very much, sir It's over there, but Riverside is small. So thank you very much for that

Charlie Robinson (09:30.289) For world order!

Yeah, School World Order, by the way, is available. You can get it from Trine Days. Is it on Amazon, too? I'm assuming it's on Amazon, places like that. Yeah.

Taoist Professor (09:40.61) Yeah, it's on Amazon as well. Yep. Yeah. Always, you know, if you can from the publishers better, but I do get a sense of the numbers when you go to Amazon. It's really the only real time metrics I can get other than bothering Chris constantly, which, you know, he's got lasted. So.

Charlie Robinson (09:54.994) Right. I know you don't want to bother Chris too much.

Taoist Professor (09:58.862) Yeah, and well the thing so one of the reasons why Charlotte was able to put me in contact with him So for those little background Charlotte she was she wrote the deliberate dumbing down of America but she also wrote two other books Soviets in the classroom and back to basics and She worked in the Department of Education under Ronald Reagan and she blew the whistle on something called project best That's basic education skills through technology It was this program to set up public-private partnerships between the Department of Education

in local education institutions and big tech companies to implement computerized, operant conditioning algorithms in the classroom to prepare students for basically workforce training and career pathways. But she was also.

Her grandfather and her father were members of the Order of Skull and Bones and So she is actually the person who leaked the black books that have all the names of the bones men in it He she's the one that leaked that to Anthony Sutton Anthony Sutton wrote you might be able to see it back to that yellow book It's the introduction America's Secret Establishment introduction to the Order of Skull and Bones That's a reprint that was

printed by my publisher Chris Milligan who basically rescued Sutton's his seminal work on Bones on the Bones cult and had it republished. she was, you know, she knew Chris because of that. And so they sort of put us in touch. And from there, the book kind of took off and, the book got published in October of 2019. So it's just a few months before, you know, the great lockdowns. And when that happened, you know,

everything really accelerated and you know they were forcing everybody to use all this ed tech because everybody's forced to be online and at some point somebody on on Twitter Pete Lincoln on Twitter just sent it to a tweet with me in it and I think Whitney in it as well and said suggested Whitney should we should collaborate or something I said

Taoist Professor (12:04.718) That'd be awesome. And she said, you know, send me a DM. So that became the first piece. And I've written quite a few pieces now. I've been writing for her 2021. And so that's kind of everything up to the present moment.

Charlie Robinson (12:20.444) Well, it's a good fit and it's interesting because, know, obviously Whitney's emphasis has been on, well, government as organized crime, I'd say, as a sort of in general, but really the technology side of it has been a real thread that she's been pulling on for several years. And you might think that technology and education don't have a ton of overlap or maybe some, you know,

at the way everything has a little bit of overlap as things are getting digital these days. But in fact, when you understand like the origins of compulsory schooling and who was behind it and how it was really pretty nefarious and that they're trying to train you for a world of going into the factories, right? Where you're going to work at, I don't know, at a Rockefeller or Carnegie connected factory, you're going to sit in these

straight line road chairs in school and then the bell goes off to tell you that the class is over, that the day is over and then you rotate out and you know, simulating what it's gonna be like working in a factory. And so you understand like schooling is pretty, you know, like it's normalized for us in America. You wake up, you know, you're a kid, you go to school, that's how it is. You never really ask too many questions about why there's school. And you feel like, wow, we all need to be educated.

who's behind it, right? And once you start digging into it, you have a lot of questions about schooling. And now the blending of schooling with technology, this combination, I mean, I thought common core was going to be the death of compulsory schooling. And maybe it's a stain on it for sure. But as we move into this new era,

where the schooling goes online, maybe even the teachers go online, maybe the teachers in front of your class, you know, listen, I we can't have these teachers, they don't speak 20 languages in New York City. We have immigrants from 20 different countries in this kindergarten class. They all have to speak all the different languages. We have to replace your favorite teacher, Mrs. Johnson, with Robocop, who's come in here and now, and it speaks 20 languages and it'll talk to the kid from Senegal in the corner who nobody talks to because,

Charlie Robinson (14:40.506) You know, and so you go, God, where is this going? Like, I'm okay with the evolution of things, you know, like everything's gonna, know, textbooks maybe turn into tablets and I go, all right, well, I get it. It's not the worst thing, but I could live with it. But what do you see? Because you're obviously seeing, you're extrapolating out a generation into this. I mean, I have a level of fear.

about this, but maybe it's not the quite level of fear that I need. Where do you see this sort of playing out over the next, I don't know, generation for these kids?

Taoist Professor (15:20.718) If you need a healthier dose of fear, you've come to the right place, sir, because according to Chris Milligan and everybody else, my book is very scary. That's what Chris is, very scary, it's very scary. And actually it ended.

Charlie Robinson (15:25.982) I'm

Taoist Professor (15:35.114) It didn't end with the way it ends now. It now ends with solutions. I just ended with, got to the end of the dystopia and painted the whole picture. Chris basically said something to the effect that like, you can't destroy people's hope in the future and just end the book. He's like, you got to give them some kind of solution. So the last chapter, kind of, you know, I was learning it as I was writing, but, you know.

talking about looking way down where the rabbit hole ends. One of the other things that was happening during that story I told you about Rauner basically destroying public institutions was I was also tutoring for a company at the time. And I used to not say the name of the company because they had me on a non-compete clause. And I'm just very careful about, you I don't need to be, I stick my neck out enough with my articles, right? I don't need to give anybody any extra.

Charlie Robinson (16:25.598) You're right.

Taoist Professor (16:26.326) reasons to bother me at work or anywhere else. But it was Pearson. So Pearson was this, you know, it's one of the biggest textbook companies, very old company. It's out of England or UK now, I guess. But now, you know, right, they've everything's digital. they've shifted the textbooks in general are.

digital, but they also have lots of other applications, EdTech applications. And so they had a sub company called Smart Thinking, Smart Thinking with one T by the way, isn't that cute? And I always like to tell this just so people get a sense of how, this should give you a sense of how much these companies actually care about the profession of teaching and learning, right? With a master's degree, they were paying me $11 an hour. Now,

If I would have went and got five more years of school, I could have got whole $12 an hour if I got that PhD. But what I learned was that...

Charlie Robinson (17:16.648) Yeah.

Taoist Professor (17:19.126) While I was doing that tutoring one day, this is around the same time, they tell us that IBM's Watson is gonna co-pilot with us. Now, for those who don't know, IBM's Watson was like the premier AI platform before generative AI took off. Little side note, Watson, the name of it, that's named after Thomas J. Watson. He was the CEO of IBM that did business with Hitler to process the, used the punch card system to process all the eugenics and data in the concentration camps, et cetera.

Um, but you know, I'm sitting there and I'm looking at it and I go, well, every day I go to work, then this, I'm teaching this thing to replace me. You know, and I start to think down the pipe and you start to go, well, hold on. mean, like, if it, if one day, let's say these bots are better than teachers and they replace all the teachers, why do you need the students?

Like if you're going to teach the student, certainly anything, any sort of cognitive ability or skill that you're going to try to transfer to the student, the bot already possesses it. The bot can be copied and plugged into any. So doesn't that make the student obsolete as well? Right. And so that's I didn't hear you. What's that say again?

Charlie Robinson (18:26.399) yeah, you're replacing two at once! This is great!

Charlie Robinson (18:33.661) I said, well, you're replacing two people at once. You're replacing the teacher and you're replacing the student. Like what's the point of even teaching, right? If you're going to get, the teacher is going to be replaced by a robot and then the people, the kids that he's teaching, well, you guys are going to probably get replaced by robots too. So why don't I have the robot teach the robots and just cut out the middle man, right?

Taoist Professor (18:53.71) Well, right, right, right. And, and you know, you're, looking at it, you know, I'm sitting here going like, well, if me as an adjunct professor, for those who don't know an adjunct means in, in community college and universities as well, uh, they're run like companies. So you have like, you know, at a company, have a couple of managers, right. And then you'll have a bunch of staff, you know, that basically do all the work in a college. The managers you'd have like, you know, it could be administrators that'd be more higher up than like.

basic level managers. The managers are like the tenure track people, but the bulk of the teaching is done by what they call adjuncts and adjuncts don't, you're not tenure track, which means you're not locked in. You don't get benefits. You don't get an office. get, you get hired per course per semester. Right. And so, as an adjunct,

If I can look at, if I can think that far down the pipe, well, these engineers and the people running the companies that have their, you know, scenario planning and their 10 year plans for growth and prof, they have to know this as well. Right. So then you have to wonder like, well, then is that the point? Like, right. It's not an accident. They must be doing this intentionally. Right. And so it's like, you know, and then you start to think that, well,

That means that the data mining that all these bots that they're programmed to do, know, that's embedded in any sort of an AI, that is not a secondary feature. That's the primary feature, right? Like whatever, whatever the student might be learning by using the bot, the bot's learning more and it's learning faster. And as it learns faster, it learns permanently and it extrapolates out. So at some point you're essentially replacing

human consciousness with AI consciousness. then, then you, you know, where the book ends up is basically two things, social credit and transhumanism.

Taoist Professor (20:46.924) because as someone like Elon Musk says, well, if the bot can basically do everything you can do cognitively and perhaps even more, well, you're have to interface with it to even be relevant anymore. And that's where you get your Neuralink or whatever type of brain computer interfaces they have when it gets commercial ready. so that's just me sitting in front of the IBM Watson. That's kind of what...

laid out sort of my vision of this Ed technocracy in the future that is way closer than I ever wanted it to be.

Charlie Robinson (21:22.719) Yeah, and you mentioned that they're reframing the terminology around this, that public-private partnerships and things like that, stakeholder capitalism, we're hearing these terms a lot by the globalist weirdos. it's a code word, right? It means something else. Stakeholder capitalism, like, oh, I'm going to be a stakeholder? It's like, not really. But somebody will.

but it won't be you. what is this, what is the goal, I suppose, for these kids? mean, it feels like, are they just data mining the kids? Is that sort of the goal of this is like, let's see what sort of data these kids generate and let's hover all of that information in and let's try to make some sense out of it and sell it to somebody or like, what's the end goal for them with this?

Taoist Professor (22:21.326) Yeah, that's the so that's the primary function of the entire system is the data mining and the data has two primary uses. One is to build the artificial intelligence. So the book goes through a progression of well, and the other one is to use the data for social credit before I digress and perhaps can't get back to where I wanted to go. The book goes through a progression of technologies and we're dude, we're getting close to the end of the book. I mean, like I wrote it and like seeing like

I thought so if you go back and look at Amazon, they might have updated it, but when it first came out, the book said something like 92 pages. It's 500, 100 pages of citations. That's because a lot of the stuff that I told you I was kind of surmising based on tutoring, I'm like, I'm thinking that this is more spec, most of that stuff is gonna be in the prototypical phase, if not theoretical phase. Lo and behold, they've had prototypes of this stuff. mean, look.

Brain-computer interface, the first neural implant is in the 60s.

Jose Manuel Rodriguez Delgado. mean, that's just one example of like how old the, lot of the biofeedback wearables, like, so I traced a progression of what's called cognitive behavioral adaptive learning courseware. Okay, this is basically BF Skinner's, his teaching machine in digital form. So it's gonna operate your thinking and performance algorithms. Then there's a series of wearables that can data mine the students' brain waves, their heart rates, they have galvanic skin response monitors. You can also infer

from facial recognition and that's gonna data mine their emotional algorithms, their feeling algorithms. take aggregate all that you what they do is they anonymize it. So you have PII and UII. So PII is personally identifiable information and you have UII as user interaction information. So basically the UII is all of those different types of algorithms. They just try to remove so they remove the individual. They take those algorithms, they aggregate them, put them run through machine learning and then crunch them into

Taoist Professor (24:22.522) to a large language model with neural networks, et cetera. And now you have a bot that can interact with human speech and human text, but can also keep track of your cognitive responses, your behavioral responses, and your emotional responses. So in other words, we've already, these LLMs, they're already doing that. And at one point, we'll touch on a company that's already replacing some of my tutoring hours at.

uh, one of the schools, um, uh, where I work. Uh, so that's what, so a lot of that data has gone into the, to develop these large language models, which those two are going to continue that process. But the other.

is for the social credit algorithms. And so basically you're gonna be data mining. And this is gonna be aggregated with other data. So your healthcare data, your workforce data. What I had come to see as I sort of, because I'm looking at it going like, especially with the biofeedback wearables, a lot of them were pitched for what they call assistive technologies. Well, that's for disabilities. Well, if you've ever taught a class.

You put in the syllabus on day one. If you have a, if you have a disability, you can go and talk to the disability. can't legally, you can't be like, who has a disability? Right. You're not, it's a medical information. You can't, you cannot be requesting that. Right. So I'm going like,

Well, if this data, if this is for people with disabilities and it's like that has to be in a separate, like that falls under a separate purview. Like HIPAA versus FERPA. HIPAA would be health laws. FERPA would be privacy laws and education. you know, so I'm like, well, how are they going to mash all this together? If you, when I stumbled on videos of, I think it was the Journeyman TV documentary on the Chinese social credit system, I was like,

Taoist Professor (26:11.106) That's what it looks like when it all comes together. That's what you're in this. And what I'm seeing in this education realm, the data mining of the education is going to go into this.

Central database and health care is gonna come from here and workforces good and criminal justice and the education is just one aspect of this biopsychosocial profile that they're gonna be building on everybody for social credit analytics and in my most recent piece what I'm seeing now is not only just social credit for tracking and tracing keeping supply chains moving smoothly, but like I

I see that they're going to be basically they want to securitize human beings So basically I had mark Goodwin helped me make sure I was make sure I was understanding some of this financial jargon Accurately and so, you know, was asked what exactly you know, this is one of the debates about the stable coin Should it be a commodity? Should it be?

A security says what's the difference? Well security says there is basically is the Howie test It's like Howie farms or Howie orchards or something. So instead of selling land they were selling people

Charlie Robinson (27:08.703) Yeah.

Taoist Professor (27:18.818) basically the profits you would make on the fruit that was going to grow there. Right. Like you could buy. So it's an expectation of future profits not built into the asset itself, right? Because the land could appreciate in value, but that's not the security is the part of this other thing that just added value. So what they're going to do then is basically with all these analytics, take a look at a student and go, if student a.

goes through career pathway B and fulfills all these learning and workforce outcomes, they will produce X amount of dollars in the economy. And it will also save us X amount of dollars in terms of criminal justice and mental health because delinquents statistically have shown to fall into the cracks and then we have to pay money to either incarcerate them or put them through these mental health programs. So they're gonna quantify all of that, put it into a bond and then have companies social impact investment

companies, foundations, etc. basically sponsor, what I would say basically purchase a human being like a feudal lord, give you tokens to go on this specifically for this particular career pathway, for this particular ed tech device, etc. And if that if the student achieves the outcomes, they get more tokens, they keep going. The company also

doesn't just get subsidized, but in impact investing, especially in what's called Pay for Success, and that's out of the Every Student Succeeds Act, they can make a profit. So if the students succeed the outcomes, they can actually get more money from the government. So basically, they created this, I think, the social impact investment, the human capital bonds, the AI EdTech, it's all part of one new financial system because you need the AI to get the data, you need the data to get the impact investment.

But the impact investment company also needs the data to get the money from the government. Right. And so that's, that's kind of how I see what is the real purpose of all the data mining, all that information, all those metrics for those two purposes.

Charlie Robinson (29:27.935) might be the grossest outcome I've ever thought of. That they're monetizing, securitizing people, like horse racing, betting on them, investing on them. So let me see if this is, let me work this out. You're a kid, let's say you score well on the SATs, right? You get on somebody's radar, all of a sudden, ding, ding, someone starts watching you. They realize pretty early on,

based on the calculations, you're probably not gonna be in trouble with the law, you're probably not going to fall into drugs, probably going to have a decent career, you're on the right trajectory. So could they invest in you, so to speak, or what do they do? Do they take 10,000 other people that are also scored like them and put them into a bond?

and then securitize that and sell that on Wall Street and have people sort of like have tiered, know, like AAA rated people who theoretically will go out and have a 50 year lifespan of generating revenue, money, taxes, whatever, spending, the things that they do. And you have AAA rated. And then I would imagine you have triple B rated, which is like, we've took 10,000 people from the hood that aren't gonna do much of anything and you can.

bet on this if you want, you're, know, you're odd, you know, whatever it's calculus. Is that kind of where we're going? Like human livestock being securitized by wall street?

Taoist Professor (31:02.83) Yeah.

And so, you know, the rankings of the different, you know, individuals and their associated bonds, that'll, you know, just it'll be the difference in terms of risk. It's like, this one's this kid's doing pretty good. It's safe money. I know I can make my money back on this one. It's like all this one. You might not make your money back, but there's going to be other incentives to do that because this is where ESG stuff comes in. So it's like, you know, the odds that you're going to get your money back for right. The children that don't score as high as not. But don't worry.

We're gonna supplement that with ESG because of the fact that you service those people look I'll tell you this company that is getting took many of my hours already Okay, it's called upswing and it's got it's not just okay. So it's got a bot It's an AI tutor called Anna

I think that's short for analytics because one of the selling points is that they've got the metrics all over the website. Like, our students improve these outcomes by this percent. And, you know, in groups they do institution wide and they have so they have individualized metrics. They have group metrics, you know, race, gender, class, age, zip code. And then they have across the institution. And they even, you know, the the administrators sent us an email saying like, it's going to be great because not only are the students going to have the data,

We're gonna have it too. Okay, and so Anna is gonna can do tutoring but Anna also does mental health So it starts with this little promo video and it's text-based bot and it starts by like just helping the student organize their daily stuff You know have an itinerary etc. Then the next part is it asked it to help it with some tutoring

Taoist Professor (32:42.454) Okay, and then the next part is it's like I'm having a hard time. you know, I had a family member something so now it's into the mental health thing Okay, and by the end of this this promotional video the bot the the student is is emotionally bonding with the bot It it says something like you care about me so much and gives a heart emoji Which is all?

Charlie Robinson (33:11.743) That's real bad.

Taoist Professor (33:14.336) I saw a documentary, we watched, wife watched a documentary the other day. Apparently people are dating their avatars, these bots, like, and while I'm watching it thinking like, well, those must be programmed. That's what they do. Your emotional, you know, companion bots, apparently that level of, emotion that, that, impetus to emotionally bond with the user apparently is built into even stuff that has nothing to do with that. Like, like a tutoring bot, you know, so

while it's gonna connect them to mental health services, like I'm pretty sure if you're emotionally bonding with a bot that's not a human being, it's gonna cause mental problems. I'm pretty sure. Like I know we don't have the data on this, but I'm pretty sure that's not gonna transfer appropriately into like normal human interaction. So, but where I was going with that to what you were talking about was, so I look up the company.

It's invest like one of the companies that funds it is social finance. Well, I wrote about social finance in my, uh, at the most recent piece I did on the limited hangout, but the Trump, uh, Trump ed 2025, the first piece I did on school choice, uh, this year in March. And, uh, it's partnered with the Koch foundation, uh, which is, and, it was some kind of a pay for success impact investing thing. I also wrote about social finance or I discussed it.

report on it video report on my YouTube channel showing that it's partners with something called FutureLearn and FutureLearn is this online learning platform that's connected to something called the Open University out of the UK and that was connected to UNESCO study 11 UNESCO study 11 was this global basically the global version of project best or

Another way to say that his project best was America's domestic version of UNESCO study 11. So this all goes all that goes back to Charlotte's that that study that she blew the whistle on. it's so I know, know, was I know that, a, it's taking all these data, all this analytics. I know that most of the people that invest in it are impact finance companies. wasn't just social finance. That's the one that stood out to me that I was most familiar with. It's a bunch of and a bunch of venture capital.

Taoist Professor (35:37.548) Now here's the other kicker. this particular school is in a predominantly black neighborhood. So it's going to serve predominantly black students. And the company Upswing and some of the ones that are invested in it are predominantly black. So that's

Ups the ESG. You get more money back from that. So when the school goes, hey, look, we're servicing poor students, we're servicing black students, but look, we're also helping a black owned company to do it. So that's more.

social credit points because right marginalized communities etc and so that's that's how uh they'll sort of right like you're saying like well who's gonna want to invest in the people with the lowest scores that's the that's how they that's the incentive because they're gonna it's gonna be supplemented by you know government etc

Charlie Robinson (36:21.759) That's the incentive.

Charlie Robinson (36:25.917) Well, luckily ESG is going away now that Larry Fink is the head of the World Economic Forum. wait, nevermind. It's probably gonna be here to stay in some form or fashion. What about this other alarming component to this transformation, which is not just the data mining of the students, but now there's digital wallets for them as well, right? We're connecting them in.

Taoist Professor (36:33.581) right?

Charlie Robinson (36:51.529) to a world where they're going to be in some ways compensated for their participation. Can you elaborate on where this is going with regard to, I understand that like the world is turning digital and there's benefits to educating people, educating kids about.

where technology is going and like maybe you have a wallet in your pocket, you know, but maybe you need a digital wallet in the future. I could be, you know, there's part of me that could say like, yeah, you gotta explain to these young kids, they already know a lot of stuff technologically, let's, you know, let's talk to them about digital wallets. But when it's these companies and then I feel much differently about it. It feels like it's part of something else. What are they planning?

with these wallets for students.

Taoist Professor (37:43.512) Well, this is it's so as I sort of laid out how the data mining and the EdTech is just part of this aggregate system that connects to mental health data and criminal justice data, et cetera. The digital wallet revolution in the education industry is part and parcel to a larger financial overhaul in both.

the entire American financial system and the global financial system in terms of the rise of stable coins and programmable crypto money. So how did the digital wallets fit into education? So this is where the school choice stuff comes in. So for people that aren't familiar school choice basically is a euphemism, nice little doubles. I mean, it is it's choice like in the sense that you get, you know, Burger King McDonald's. Like I was I was at the I drink energy drinks probably more.

I should and I was in the gas station the other day getting one of these and the guy was a Nice guy worked for I think he worked for Monster and he was telling me he's like yeah monster owns like all of these I'm like really it's like I was like so you know and I never knew that you're going and so it's like you know, have the illusion that Whatever I buy it's coming from the same company. So it's kind of that, you know, it's gonna come from Gov Corp That's the idea of school choice, but there's there's two large baskets. There's the charter school movement and then there's

these different financial mechanisms. The charter schooling movements pretty much locked in, more or less ubiquitous. It's basically charter schools are private companies that get subsidized by public tax dollars. These other funding mechanisms, we might call them all...

Might put them all under the umbrella of voucher Might be able to call vouchers and then the other two we sometimes people call them neo vouchers As a heuristic for the sake of expediency. Well, I'll just probably refer to them all as vouchers But some are referred to as education savings accounts and some are referred to as Scholarships now vouchers have been attempted and got shot down in this in the Supreme Court So I think that's why they came up with the other names, which there are some nuances and how the money is distributed So like vouchers were typically just for

Taoist Professor (39:50.042) tuition, but education savings accounts can, it's a, it's a basket of money that you can use to purchase maybe it's tuition, maybe it's private tutoring, maybe it's a range of ed tech devices, maybe it's therapies, et cetera. but I think they use education savings account cause we already, we actually have those IRS, like there's ESAs.

I forget this the IRS code but that's where you can put money into it and you can get get a write-off not the same thing This is government money that goes to you took taken from other people given to you, right? And then the scholarships those are gonna be distributed by a third party So it's basically again, maybe you call them all vouchers with different strings attached and different distribution mechanisms but what these do is They're gonna take

government money or public tax dollars and they're gonna funnel them into these accounts, vouchers, et cetera. And then students can use those to purchase any of the educational products or services that I laid out. Now, so the impetus for doing the digital wallets is they go, well dude, like how are you gonna, the accounting, if you look at this, there's this Heritage Foundation article that I looked at where they were promoting it. And I should note that most of the,

Think tanks, you know, neo con beltway libertarian think tanks that are supporting the rise of digital laws for school of choice. They are all Linked up with what's called the state policy network and that it's basically a consortium of various neo con and you know pseudo libertarian think tanks that are all backed by the Koch brothers and I shouldn't have took that I shouldn't have digressed to take that

to take that detour. the accounting. Yeah, the accounting. So they go like, well, you know, got how many parents or how many students buying, right? And each one of those is making how many different purchases? Well, they need to make sure that you're not spending it on like, and I guess some of the way that the codes are programmed.

Charlie Robinson (41:39.433) wallet.

Taoist Professor (41:58.19) You know, they are like, they are restricted, but like, since you can get school supplies from Walmart, I guess there's loopholes there. You could take it to Walmart. And so they're like, well, these digital wallets, right? these can be,

programmed and monitored by these third parties to ensure, you know, cut down on waste, fraud and abuse, right? That's the mantra these days, right? And so you have all these different companies like Class Wallet, Odyssey, Merit International, Student First Technologies, and SAP, Aruba are the most prominent ones and they're all supported by either

The Excellence in Education Foundation was set up by Jeb Bush. The American Enterprise Institute. Again, these are all those state policy network think tanks supported by Cato Institute. Another one's called Ed Choice. That's the Milton, used to be the Milton Friedman and something for Educational Choice Heritage Foundation. Okay. But they're also backed by a bunch of venture capital firms and, you know, those connected to the PayPal mafia. So like

one in particular, Andreessen. So Odyssey, let's look at Odyssey. Odyssey is funded by Andreessen Horowitz. Okay. And it's Mark Andreessen's Venture.

Charlie Robinson (43:18.143) Wait, are we talking Odyssey like the video, like the video playing site? Library Odyssey? No, okay. Okay, okay, just checking.

Taoist Professor (43:22.67) No, no, it's it's no no no no no not not that's that's odyssey ee, right? Or is it ey? Okay. Yeah, this is odyssey is spelled like ey Okay, uh, yeah, um interesting though because right odyssey did have like litecoin or something. They did kind of have a blockchain platform, but no I as far as I know there's no

Charlie Robinson (43:42.269) They do. Yeah. Yeah. And it might have taken money from somebody on Sand Hill Road for all we know. I don't know. But but it could fall into that category. But just to be clear, we're not talking about that Odyssey. Good.

Taoist Professor (43:53.996) Yeah, yeah, no, no, Yeah, so Andreessen and then and then two others, Blaine Capital and Tusk Venture Partners. Now, Blaine Capital is invested in Peter Thiel's Palantir and Tusk Ventures shares common investments with Peter Thiel's Founders Fund.

Okay. Another one, Merit International. This one is funded again by Andrews and Horlitz, but it's also funded by Alumni Ventures, which again has common investments with Thiel's Founders Fund. So this is just a couple of examples of the ways that sort of like, you know, your venture, your PayPal, mafia, adjacent venture capital firms in sort of the, you know, pseudo libertarian arm of this new republicanoid

coalition are sort of dovetailing with the old school neocon beltway libertarian think tanks, right? The old and so you're having sort of the culture wars arm of the Republican Party and the future of Silicon Valley arm coming together, right? To combine their public private school choice system with their fintech system as well. And some of these companies are look so a merit international. One of the things that it boasts by way merit international is also

funded by Experian, which is one of the big three credit reporting agencies. I thought that was, you know, during lockdowns when they had the passports.

in Illinois, Experian was going to, manage the database for the vaccine passports. So when I see a credit reporting company looking at health records at a school, I'm like, social credit, right? I mean, you're, you're going to permit or restrict my access to the public square based on, a credit company looking at health records. Like I, you know, I don't know a better term for that than social credit, right? but it's also funded by stand together, Ventures Lab stand together.

Charlie Robinson (45:33.694) Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (45:45.823) Right.

Taoist Professor (45:49.872) venture capital arm of this stanchion. There's a nonprofit, there's a trust, it's another co-funded state policy network thing. But Merit, the company, Merit International, it's funded by all those. It boasts that it uses a digital identity ecosystem to make sure that all of that accounting, the waste, fraud and abuse, that everything moves smoothly. Now, if you take a company like Merit International, it has a digital ID system and you look at

student first technologies, which is using an AI platform called Queen IQ uses human in the loop machine learning to empower stakeholders by the way, quote, that's a quote. Okay. So I mean, this is your right wing and recent Horowitz PayPal, right? Well, stakeholders. no, your ESG stakeholder capitalism did not, did not go away. Peter Thiel, by the way, world economic forum. Okay. Ken Howry, PayPal mafia, world economic forum. Okay. And you know, he's

Charlie Robinson (46:30.69) of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (46:38.484) Mm-hmm.

Taoist Professor (46:49.292) Thiel's Bilderberg as well. and then in SAP Ariba.

Which partners with several well the parent company is a world economic forum partner and then itself partners with IBM and Amazon two world economic forum partners this one Now it's a company that kind of does a range of financial services for other companies. So it offers blockchain Services AI monitoring services and ESG monitoring so between Merit International student first technologies and SAP Aruba you have three different digital wallet companies

that have the three pieces you would need for an AI blockchain, stablecoin, social credit system hooked up to your school choice digital wallet.

Charlie Robinson (47:34.388) Yikes. Well, you've mentioned a lot of this being sort of right leaning, tech heavy, know, heritage foundation sort of ideas and concepts like that. What does the left think of this? What do the Randy Weingartons of the world think of this sort of...

new pivot with schooling? they on board with this or is this going to be some political theater where they pretend to be against it but they're actually all working for the same thing? What does the left feel about this?

Taoist Professor (48:08.524) Well, if talking about like, you know, the mainstream left, the oligarch left, like the Randy Weingarten, you know, they'll probably pitch a stink about maybe that the...

You know, this this administration is emphasizing, you know, Christian nationalist more anti-woke, anti-deaf. That's probably the main area where you're to see any kind of disagreement. But if you're talking about AI, what they're saying now, they have friends like like on the left that like are not, in the in the left cult, so to speak, that are, you know, aware of this. And we've talked about this. But as far as Winegarden goes, like

The argument they're making is, have to make, AI is gonna take off whether or not we want it to, so we need to instill our values into it. It's almost like an Elon Musk, if you can't beat it, join it type thing. So the AFT recently signed up.

I don't remember is several hundred thousand teachers are going to go to some, they made some new Institute where they're all going to get trained to use AI in the classroom. And you know, the companies that they're going to use is open AI, uh, Google, is it Google and anthropic or Microsoft and anthropic? I get it mixed up because the AI.gov website that recently got published, uh, the archive page that, uh, they, they shut down, but it's still archived.

said that either the API or the console app was going to have OpenAI, Anthropic, and Microsoft or Google. that middle one is, I get them mixed up. But what they do have in common is OpenAI. You know who set up OpenAI? Elon Musk. OK, you know who's running it now? Sam Altman. Do you know who else funded it?

Taoist Professor (50:00.524) Peter Thiel, okay, and so it's you know, all those people on the right side of the spectrum are the ones that I guess sam would be more on the left but bilderberg just like feel and The the other part is that Wine garden also announced that they're gonna partner direct aft is gonna partner directly with the world economic forum is that curriculum?

Okay, and I also wrote, there's a whole series I wrote at Unlimited Hangouts, four or five articles where I looked at the history of the unions, American Federation of Teachers, National Education Association, and how they are both members of a global union federation known as Education International. And you have people like Weingarten, President AFT, but also...

Uh, lily escalson garcia who I think she was the vp of the nea they are board members of ei You have other I think guys names david edwards. He's high up at uh nea He's at ei, but then you have several others fred van loewen robert harris Sharon burrow these people are from van loewen. I think he's from the netherlands. Uh, one of those germanic nations, uh, the other two are from australia, but these people all are they

They are all connected to the world economic forum. They've all attended several meetings there. Okay. So what I'm saying is that, you know, on the left, if unions are left, you know, they're just as much on board with it as well. Actually, I could tell you that what's interesting. So Albert Shanker, Shanker, who was the president of the AFT, I was probably a quarter century before he died and gave up the seat. he's the, he is the founding father of the charter school movement.

He came up with the idea for charter schools. Okay? And Randi Weingarten has, as of late, pretended like she's so much agai- The only problem the unions have with charter schools is they're not- they don't have unions. If they could get- if they could force the charter schools to use unions, they wouldn't have any problem with them.

Taoist Professor (52:11.342) You know, and so on the left, yeah, there's a long history of it. And if you can go and check out that series, I wrote that because Charlotte, these were from Charlotte Izrabeet's files. For those that don't know what you see behind me, that's like about 90 % of that library was hers. She also gave me all of her papers. She had like 13 file cabinets, 34 drawers filled. And I'd stumbled onto Education International. And there's other things. I had, there's a, these are all in the articles. There's a document.

1960s it's like Programmed Learning and Programmed Instructions. The title is something like that. It's a showcase of B.F. Skinner's theories and methodologies for the teaching machines, Ed Tech, in partnership. It was compiled in partnership with the Army and the Navy. I think the Air Force as well and the...

Department of hum row. So it's human resources research organization, which specializes in human capital management. but you know, this is again, just another example of the left, right? Being on board with as well. then, and then Obama, when we're at that, sorry. Bill Clinton was the first president to sign in the first federal charter school law. So the, so the charter school movement started on the left. The first federal bill was.

pushed by the left. When Obama got in, he hired Arne Duncan to be the secretary of education and charter schools took off, exploded under that administration. know, Duncan, and that's why he picked him because Duncan's pedigree was he basically privatized the entire Chicago system as I sort of alluded to earlier, and he's very friendly with Rauner as well. So this is a hundred percent bipartisan movement. They will argue, they will pretend like they're arguing over culture war stuff to get

You know, people, regular working people, the get angry at their neighbors while they get, you know, the left foot forward and then the right foot forward. But as far as ed tech goes, they're all on board with it.

Charlie Robinson (54:15.943) Are they on board with it globally? You mentioned some of the World Economic Forum getting involved with...

writing with an education inside America. I'm assuming that it's not limited to America. Is this slated for Western Europe or the West in general?

Taoist Professor (54:39.436) Yeah, well that's where the book kind of, know, it's the technocratic globalization of corporatized education. Because one of the things that Charlotte pointed out and I kind of built on was that, well, if you can, if the charter school movement, we'll say school choice, so charter schools and voucher programs, if this new system is fully successful, she says, you won't have an elected school board anymore.

You won't have a civil process of education anymore. I you'll have government education, but as far as, local people having any say as a local community and voicing your opinion, that's going to be on because, you know, the charter schools, they don't have school boards, their companies, they have boards, you know, take your money somewhere else. If you don't like it, that's how they see it. So, so

we kind of looked at it like, well, if that system takes over and she was like, you know, and she looked at it like one domino, like if you can get rid of the, you know, civil process at the local, we elected school board, it's, right. What happens to all the other institutions that we actually have some sort of public oversight, right? Um, but we were kind of looking at it like, the charter school movement, cause you also have, uh, on virtual online charter schools, which are global.

Now, Pearson, mentioned they have one, it's called Connections Academy, I've written extensively about it. The first and biggest was K-12 Inc. Now, K-12 Inc. was created by Bill Bennett. He was the Secretary of Education under Reagan, following T.H. T.H. Bell was the Secretary of Education that Charlotte worked under. So, Bill Bennett was basically a direct adherent of...

the project best legacy, right? He kind of carried that on. So, you we were looking at it like, well, you you could have global, we could have a Pearson connections Academy or a K-12 international that could, you know, not just basically service everybody in the, the United States, but could serve people all over the world as well. now

Taoist Professor (56:40.578) That's part of it. But then what I realized when I started looking at this new fintech system is that's even that makes it even easier to achieve. Because now if you take the money, you know, people like Corey D'Angelo, he's the sort of the mascot for School of Choice. And I was like, fun students, not buildings. You know, it sounds great, except that the difference is if you take that money and go to the building and the money comes with government strings.

Okay? And you don't like what the government, you know, like the woke, you don't want to get your jab, et cetera. You move out of the building where the government money and the strings are not attached. But if you attach the money to the student, it doesn't matter where the student goes. The government strings are attached to that student, whether they go to a public school, a private school, a charter school, or they go to religious school, where they do homeschooling, whether it's an online charter school. Okay? And what that means is that student, they're in time.

all of the oversight of their learning is going to be based on whoever they buy products from. They take the money out of the ESA, they go to Pearson here, they go to Dreambox there, they go to Clever or Newton or, right, of course here, whatever platform they want to use. And so now...

You know, it's not just you got to deal with a corporate charter school industry. You've got like eight other service providers and have their own contract. There's no room for a school board involved in that. When you plug in the stable coin factor to it, one of the things that Mark Goodwin helped me understand was sort of the global implications of this genius act and how this is going to basically make make it easier for people outside the U.S. to get access to not just U.S. banks, but U.S. dollars.

right and can trade well if you can get US bank and a US dollar why can't you have a you can go take that stable coin and sign up for I mean you might not get a voucher money but you can still purchase you can spend that money on Alpha school or out school now they've got these virtual online charter schools no human beings 100 % AI

Taoist Professor (58:46.412) So now you, right? you have the, so this is, you know, now I know why I says, you know what? I see why they called it the genius act now, because it's going to like, you know, it's going to give them at least another decades of dollar hegemony. It's going to incentivize companies to put money into it. It's going to.

even individuals at the ground level, right? And then that's also going to expand access to the American companies and it's going to also expand access to this AI system. so, yes, long-term, I see all of this sort of congealing into a singular global technocracy.

Charlie Robinson (59:24.329) Sounds like you're not trusting the plan hard enough to me.

Taoist Professor (59:26.59) No, I don't trust I don't trust very many plans. I don't trust my own plans most of the time

Charlie Robinson (59:31.455) my god. Man, this is really frustrating because

It's a fixable problem. know, educating kids is such an important task. you go, know, schools have been a mess for a while. I and I have a daughter who just started high school, you know, and so I'm going through this again. Uh-oh.

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Charlie Robinson (01:00:23.327) I don't know what that even means. But, well, let's do this. Let's wrap it up anyway, because we're-

It's all right. It's okay. Well, we'll wrap this up. mean, look, this is, we've been all over the place. There's, this is one of those topics that I have a lot of concern about moving forward. I'm worried about the, I'm worried about the kids not being educated properly. And this is frustrating with, with a, you know, a new world order group trying to run things.

Charlie Robinson (01:01:01.543) Well, let's see, I'm not sure. It still says it's recording. It still shows that it's recording on your end. So you click something, I think it's good. The book is, well, let's wrap up with this. I want to make sure everybody knows where to find you, where to support your book. School World Order is available. Get the book. I've got a copy. I've got a physical copy. You were nice enough to mail it to me.

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