[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Mera, Radio Entertainment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hicks, Nicks, sticks, picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: A podcast about Rob's movies with your hosts, Rob's Buak and Josh Sroka.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, ladies and gentlemen, let the show begin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, welcome back to episode five.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see welcome back, but I I'm just assuming that they were with us and they've come back So I'll just have it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's four other for you to check out go grab them This is Hicks and X sticks picks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Rob Spuack along with Josh Sroker We're five in this one more than a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you think we would last this many?
[SPEAKER_03]: I did, but I think that people outside of you and I thought, yeah, and after two episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Robert, my son, he's even come around on the title.
[SPEAKER_02]: He hated the title and he likes it now, so it's okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the title.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did not care for the title at the beginning, but now I think it's great, I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like when we're talking like the serious business of doing the podcast and you just refer to it as Hicks Knicks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, because you're being a cool guy is too hard to say it's not that it's hard to say it's too long to say and the abbreviations H and S P That doesn't look good either.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just call it HX next or I think that's pretty good and this week is an exciting episode because we are in color.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were black and white last week.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're color this week and you know you're in for a treat because I am wearing
[SPEAKER_02]: My Turner Classic Movies T-shirt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, because this is truly a classic movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, as we continue to celebrate season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Spooky season, it's a new element.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every time we say Spooky season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, oh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I am loving Spooky season, because I have avoided so many horror movies for my entire life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's types of horror movies I love.
[SPEAKER_03]: like the the late 90s slash or style like the late 90s slash or style like the late 90s style.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, going back to the 80s then when you have some of these that like inspired scream like Friday the 13th or Halloween.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a thing now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I saw the late 90s early 2000s.
[SPEAKER_03]: genres of horror movies, and that's about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've avoided so many horror movies over the years.
[SPEAKER_02]: The screen, the scream of hers, I like very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the first screen movies, and then I liked, they remade the screen movies, and I liked those too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not big on slasher films, I've seen them, but that's not my go-to for scary, because I think you can only do a jump scare so many times.
[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy, and then you know what, and this falls right into Rosemar's,
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of those modern horror movies, I love the final destination movies, because it's full slow build suspense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's kind of how I felt with Rosemary's Baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's discuss a little bit about this movie, Rosemary's Baby 1968 from Paramount Pictures.
[SPEAKER_02]: directed by Roman Polanski, great director, bad guy, based on a book by Ira Levin, and it is a William Castle production.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll get into William Castle a little bit as we go after this.
[SPEAKER_02]: But long time listeners of T.M.
[SPEAKER_02]: OS will know who William Castle is because he's been referenced many times.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the movie, we open with a beautiful sweeping shot of New York City, and we see a beautiful old school apartment building, looks to be right by Central Park, which it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Guy and Rosemary Woodhouse, who are John Casavetti's and Mia Farrow, are apartment shopping.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're newly wedged, and they're shown a great, but creepy apartment by a live-shook junior, or in this movie's just a live-shook cook.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he's an amazing actor.
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes back to, he worked with Humphrey Bogart.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's worked, uh, he works steady through his entire life, but he's a great old school actor.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they see this apartment and it's got a secret closet.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's sort of something they don't pay attention to, but it's mentioned.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but it's really trendy right now on TikTok that'd be like I never knew this door was in my basement.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, people do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is this is hidden behind a huge piece of furniture.
[SPEAKER_02]: They call it a secretary, but I think actually I'm the chest of drawers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would give it our more.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they also find out that their place that they're moving into is called the Bramford.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it has an evil past.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's been cannibalism, there's been murders, and they find this out from their friend Huch, who was played by Mori 7's, and this is, you won't know this, but in the 1966 Batman, Mori 7's played one of the worst villains on Batman, he was the puzzler.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe that's the first guy they get with for a TV show for a movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, well, no, I mean, he's a better actor than he was as the puzzler, but what happened?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think what happened with that, if I'm not mistaken, they had written a script for the ridler, and they were in contract trouble with Frank Burrish and so they rewrote it as the puzzler.
[SPEAKER_02]: But despite these warnings, they move in anyway, and they have sex, which I know you mentioned,
[SPEAKER_02]: And down in the laundry room of the Bramford, Rosemary meets another person who lives there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Her name is Terry, and they have a nice conversation down in the laundry room.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they talk, and this seems like Rosemary's finally made a friend, except it doesn't last very long.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the laundry room, Terry reveals that she's living with an old couple in the building named the cast of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: and they're sort of like a parent figures to them, but soon their after Terry is found dead of an apparent suicide outside of the Bramford and while everyone is gathered around to see her body that's when we actually meet the cast events and they're named where we can see the body.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we do.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do show it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Many in Roman that Sidney Blackmer and a Academy award winning nod to Ruth Gordon, who won best supporting for this movie, and they sort of strike up a conversation, and they decide to have dinner with the older couple, and Guy seems really taken with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though Rosemary's a little put off, and to thank Rosemary for saying nice things about them to the police when they found the murdered body, they give Rosemary a charm.
[SPEAKER_02]: that has a weird smelling herb in it called tennis, but it's identical to a charm that Terry was wearing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very sort of peculiar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Guy is an actor.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's his job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Most of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They told her that it was from Terry.
[SPEAKER_03]: The term they gave her was because she knew Trit Terry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and she had left it before she knew it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I missed that detail.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe she was wearing it when she jumped.
[SPEAKER_03]: They took it off her body and got her back from her and then proceeded to pass it on.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a cool necklace, it's like a globe, like maybe a sterling silver globe that had the tennis route in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We find out Guy is an actor and he's mostly making a living by doing ads for Yamaha motorcycles.
[SPEAKER_02]: But out of the blue, after a bad or audition, Guy gets a call that the actor that he wanted the role of the actor that got cast is struck blind and can't do the play.
[SPEAKER_03]: It instantly reminded me of the natural where it's like suddenly oh, he ran into a wall and killed himself It's the same thing where it's like how do we make this as seamless and as easy as possible?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, he goes blind So this comes back later Meanwhile, they have decided to have a baby the woodhouses Josh are going to have a baby and on the night they set aside for romance Many cast of Ed shows up
[SPEAKER_02]: with chocolate mousse, chocolate mouses.
[SPEAKER_02]: She calls it for a dessert.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you watch very carefully, they have different garnish on the top of the chocolate mousse to make sure they're not confused.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you know which one is chalky?
[SPEAKER_02]: The chalk precisely.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they give it to them and they eat it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Guy loves it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Rosemary says it does taste chalky.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a chalky aftertaste.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she still eats a few good bites and then throws it away.
[SPEAKER_02]: After that, she passes out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like almost immediately, she passes out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the guy blamed alcohol, apparently she had champagne and wine, or something like the hard cocktail and wine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she has this weird semi-conscious dream, where there's a whole bunch of creepy people around her, and among the people there is guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is a dream sort of, I guess, and we don't really know if it's a dream yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's part of it's a dream because she's on a boat off a boat in a room.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it results in her being raped by a guy with very scary eyes and when she comes to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And very hands and hairy hands and when she comes to,
[SPEAKER_02]: she says this happening says no, no, no, no, that must have been some sort of hallucination scratches scratches and then he sees she sees the scratches and he says, oh, yeah, after you passed out, we had sex last night.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, not okay, but that's a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's like this is a less important rape.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not as bad as the first rape, but still at this point, you got the point here that guy is really self-centered.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's just one thing about him that he likes to do things for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he says, yes, we made love last night.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so she goes to see the OBGYN who is Charles Groden as Dr. Hill, I think, and it's Charles Groden's motion picture debut.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she is indeed pregnant.
[SPEAKER_02]: They announced it to the cast of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they celebrate by drinking wine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't give wine to a pregnant woman.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they don't put in no this patch, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but do you think she was telling everyone?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we were decided we wanted to have kids and I got raped so now I'm pregnant.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was twice raped and now I'm pregnant, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the cast ofettes who are very connected in New York know the best doctor in New York City, the best OB.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a doctor's sapperstein.
[SPEAKER_02]: and they get her in to see him and he goes through his recommendations for health including like a smoothie that is made for rosemary every day instead of vitamins.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these are made by the cast of that's these smoothies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I don't know if it's the smoothies that are doing it or just the mood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rosemary starts really changing.
[SPEAKER_02]: She cuts her hair severely.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says it's a adults that soon cut, but it definitely changes her look.
[SPEAKER_02]: She loses weight.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's eating almost raw meat.
[SPEAKER_02]: She puts a stake in a frying pan for like maybe 20 seconds and and dines on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, she is, you know, absolutely changing.
[SPEAKER_02]: She actually eats a chicken heart, which is not great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it goes to now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, she wakes up kind of while eating that chicken heart.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just just that she's eating that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's definitely changes of foot.
[SPEAKER_02]: They find out that hutch, the guy who warned them about the building has passed away and left a book for Rosemary.
[SPEAKER_02]: He mentions that there's anagrams in the book and using a scrabble set, Rosemary figures them out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And
[SPEAKER_02]: She even calls the the actor that was struck blind who was played by Tony Curtis just his voice and she begins to put together that hutch and the blind actor were hexed.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were hexed to somehow because these people met horrible ends.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Rosemary upset.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's starting to hunt together that everything's going well for her husband for exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, she is upset.
[SPEAKER_02]: She goes to Dr. Saperstein and realize he smells like tennis root too.
[SPEAKER_02]: The stuff that's in the chart and she says, oh my god, he's into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, she goes back to the original OB.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and he says, OK, we'll take care of you lay down, have a rest and it's sort of like a, OK, we're going to resolve this, but who shows up, but her husband and Dr. Saperstein and they smuggle her back to their, to their apartment.
[SPEAKER_02]: She escapes in the elevator.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but she is caught and given a sedative and while she's under, she gives birth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, when she comes to, she says they tell her the baby didn't make it.
[SPEAKER_02]: and that being said she's quite suspicious why they're collecting her breast milk and also I was suspicious why the entire building seems to be caring for her.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're seeing characters that we haven't even seen yet that are coming in and helping her out as the newborn's mother.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she's thinking about all this stuff going weird, and she goes back to that secret closet and fangs a secret passage, and she goes into a room, and everybody's there.
[SPEAKER_03]: God, and the cast of the time, the whole truth, and into the cast of its apartment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everyone's there, including her baby, Adrian, who actually wasn't dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was actually just swooped away from her and it is now clear that all of this went down because Guy sold his soul to the devil to be a success.
[SPEAKER_02]: The best scene, the most thrilling scene I think in the movie is the discovery of her
[SPEAKER_02]: This is in the cask of its apartment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Looks in the bassinet.
[SPEAKER_02]: She does not like what she sees.
[SPEAKER_05]: What have you done to it?
[SPEAKER_05]: What have you done to its eyes?
[SPEAKER_08]: He has his father's eyes.
[SPEAKER_06]: What are you talking about, guys?
[SPEAKER_06]: I was a normal.
[SPEAKER_06]: What have you done to him, you maniac?
[SPEAKER_08]: Satan is his father, not guy.
[SPEAKER_08]: He came up from hell and begat a son of mortal woman.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hail, Sait!
[SPEAKER_08]: Hail, Saitan!
[SPEAKER_08]: His father!
[SPEAKER_08]: And his name is Adrian.
[SPEAKER_08]: He shall overthrow the mighty and lay waste of temples.
[SPEAKER_08]: He shall redeem the despise and revenge in the name of the brand and the tortured.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hail, Adrian!
[SPEAKER_07]: Hail, Saitan!
[SPEAKER_07]: He tells you out of all the world out of all the women the whole world he shows you You've ruined things because you want you to be the mother of this only little and suck his power is stronger than stronger This might be the last longer than longer than long as Saturn No It can't be
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so she's having a rotten day.
[SPEAKER_02]: At that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I love that they do not show the baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a whole story behind that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm glad you bring it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at that point, Mr. Castavette comes over and says, be a mother to this child.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to join us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just be a mother to this child.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's one of the great, you know, the she's torn, because it's her baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we are left with Rosemary and Adrian and the Coven, and she's just left there with her baby, ostensibly, to raise the sun of Satan the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the movie in a nutshell.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry I messed up the detail about the necklace, but there's a lot of stuff going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Josh, what is your thoughts or what are your thoughts about this movie?
[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed this movie I did you mention it to be I did you mention it to me Yeah, you mentioned it to be in and they had sex and you ran past it really quick because the problem is the movie does not She says let's make love and then it's about 10 minutes of undressing Yeah, there's a lot of that they and then later in the movie
[SPEAKER_03]: maybe it was during the rap scene, they do it again and it's just slow undressing.
[SPEAKER_03]: This movie loves tools, slowly make you watch people take off their clothes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if that was part of the angle back, because keep in mind, there's a decent amount of nudity in this movie for a 1968 film.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I mean, it's nothing you couldn't get away with now on basic cable, I think, but still, that was pretty shocking.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe they were just stretching it out, delaying it to make it more apparent out.
[SPEAKER_03]: They could have been delaying it to instead it felt slow at those points.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is a lot of exposition and a lot of build up to where we're going.
[SPEAKER_02]: What were the things that you like best about the movie?
[SPEAKER_03]: I like the, I actually like the slow buildup of the horror, I like that it's not obvious what's going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, obviously there's something going on with the tennis route, but you don't know who is bad, who is good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the secret passage that they lay in before, while everything is still happy, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: My favorite scene of the whole movie is when she is in the phone booth.
[SPEAKER_03]: and she is trying to call for help and they just slowly different people on the outside of the phone booth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, build this tension of, is that person against her?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it, yeah, I mean, they have a guy that looks from the rear, like Dr. Sapper stage, I think she's going to be split away.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's my favorite scene in the movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: How they build the suspense like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you feel as I do that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, he's such a good thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: God is the worst.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's unfortunate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he, I don't think that's really a plot point we need to get into, but yes, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but he was mentioned in the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It to be known.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious the slow build of all the suspense of the movie is another long one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's like two hours ten two hours thirteen and the first at least hour and ten minutes is all build up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: All build up.
[SPEAKER_02]: No answers.
[SPEAKER_02]: No answers at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love in the laundry room, where we meet Terry, that their conversation is basic, but it's enough for you to be suddenly have feelings and care about this person Terry.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just enough for you to care and then instantly to kill her.
[SPEAKER_02]: really good writing to make her pleasing and just a sympathetic character, and also the fact that she's so sympathetic and speaks so highly of the cast of it, you initially think they're good people.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're creepy, but they're good.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't have anything evil to hide.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember when I first really watched this as a grown-up, I said this, and yeah, I probably didn't see it as a kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you think, wow, if I'm going to try and find the bad guy, we haven't even met the bad guy yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we had met the bad guy up front and they just sort of tease you with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You start to think something's up with them when he's talking about all the places the world he's been at.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's when you start to get a little suspicious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and just the weirdness of their home and the way that Ruth Gordon as Mrs. Castervette is just the ultimate yenta involved in everything and knowing can eat a piece of cake like her.
[SPEAKER_02]: That when they had them for dinner, she's really going at the cake.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think my favorite part of the movie, my favorite scene is probably the reveal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the reveal because it's just so surreal and creepy, but I love music in the movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the music, but real quick, the reveal.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love how everyone is just sitting there, like, let's just play out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and try to stop her.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's got a big knife in her hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's just relaxing, but um, and that again,
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes the way to make a great point in a movie is contrasts and she's flipping out and losing her mind and at the beginning they're all calm eventually they'll yell a bit but there's good contrast there.
[SPEAKER_02]: The music is by a perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to find the name of the guy I jotted it down.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is so this Lullaby and actually this is Mia Farrow singing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: is it really really sets the mood.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that music we played in the reveal is almost otherworldly.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't sound natural that weird noise when she first sees the child to another horrifying music cue.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really really love the music in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It never ever gets in the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: It only really reminds so creepy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh,
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that there are certain things that when people put in movies, it makes things scarier because they are sort of above being a topic of a horror movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're almost protected in our mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Babies, I don't like babies in horror movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like...
[SPEAKER_02]: when a pregnant woman or a woman who is not able to defend herself is being harassed and used.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's horrifying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Old people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to see old people be part of a horror film.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this movie touches on all these things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that leads to just an overall creepiness.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even the look of the film, it's definitely a gritty look at 1970s or at this point 1968, but like 1970s New York, the film has that grain that looks like a film from New York, and New York is captured not apologetically at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks gritty.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like a dirty city.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_03]: My first note that's written down at the top of my paper.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Says wallpaper and used to be a real pain.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why did anyone wallpaper?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I forget about the whole you have to put the paste on the wall and yeah, all that and we've all done it But I forget about it and then to see it come back in a movie like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like that
[SPEAKER_02]: And don't forget you have to line up the patterns for the left and the right, which is also horrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: The movie opens up, I guess the happiest part is when they are a young couple, looking for the apartment and they find out it's a great apartment.
[SPEAKER_02]: But even then, it's got a sense of foreboding to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole movie, and maybe it's because they start with the music that is so creepy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's that guy is just a jerk the entire time.
[SPEAKER_02]: yeah and you don't and you really you're sympathetic for rosemary she's so sweet and pretty before she gets all messed up uh... and just almost you know like a delightful perfect wife why will she sucked into this relationship with the self-centered god that's why you're so excited when he says he that's have a baby because she doesn't want that but he's too selfish to do it finally he's in a round
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the dream sequences, there's a couple of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a couple of things in them, they are, it's really for me hard to capture like a surreal flavor because if it's on film, it's real.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not something in your imagination that you have to create.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does such a good job, Roman Polanski does such a good job.
[SPEAKER_02]: of making the dream sequences surreal and overlapping, and also and even actually in the reveal scene, great uses of silence.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a stupid comparison.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but that's okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it reminded me, no, it's a really stupid comparison.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but the dream sequence, how it flips between how it gets you almost like dizzy, right, reminded me of Charlie and the chocolate factory when they go through that tunnel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can see that.
[SPEAKER_03]: different feels, but the same thing of just disorientation through this dream.
[SPEAKER_02]: Almost like, yeah, like dizzying.
[SPEAKER_02]: And vertigo type feeling.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the flashing in and out of her husband on top of her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, versus other things going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, brings that whole like in and out of consciousness.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was really well done.
[SPEAKER_02]: and the way it messes with your mind here thinking is this real she's not on a boat she's obviously not on a boat but she's surrounded by people that are familiar on the boat so you have to figure out what's going on and I think they do a pretty satisfying job for laying as much mystery down as they do in the front of the film for paying it off they don't leave a lot of things like up to your imagination no he's great hairy Satan hands I could have done without
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was, yeah, but uh, but I know it's to reference the scratches later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I also think that the way they turn Rosemary from the young bride at the front to looking like, like, gone and haggard and tired.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very pale.
[SPEAKER_02]: So subtly done, but so effective and not like over the top makeup, just she looks like she's not well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I will say that I think the whole cast,
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though you hate John Casavetti's as as as as as Guy he's well cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's easy to hate him because he's really good at it.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, from the first time he's on scene, you know, she's too good for this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, agreed agreed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the cast events are perfectly cast creepy sort of old school New York Dandy types with their weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can almost smell their apartment.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go in.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were creepy, but not out of place, which is a tough balance.
[SPEAKER_02]: they do a great job with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's just weird cameos in the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sort of like when you're watching this horror movie and you see her name is I think Hope Summers.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she played Clara the neighbor on the Andy Griffith show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she is one of the satanic oven and to see someone for Mayberry, scream Hail Satan is a bit off putting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also one of my favorite character actors, Phil Leads is in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You would know him if you saw his picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're talking about William Castle and I won't get into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to save the William Castle stuff for the second part of this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he was the guy that turns around at the phone booth, the producer of the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the guy that you think is a superstar.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is so tense.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love how they build up with the saying, oh, well, she's just you this is just you're crazy Cuz you're pregnant right and they build up like the is this real is this not real the entire time
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's that is so great because you want to empathize with her, but what she's seeing is so nutty that maybe it's not true.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we even reference this at the front of the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not really a jump scare in the entire movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, there is not.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little off-putting when you see Satan in the in that sequence in the dream, but I don't jump, it's just a flash.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is just a flash and I think that's one of the reasons why it stays so effective because it's just a building building tension.
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing I hadn't noticed until I watched at this time, the baby's due date is June 6, 1966.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which anyway you slice into six, six, six, six.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what that was pretty clever.
[SPEAKER_02]: And another thing they do when you start to really feel that what she's seeing is real and it's not going to be just the fact that she's losing her common sense because she's pregnant is she can't trust anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's so scary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even the doctor, she thought she could trust.
[SPEAKER_02]: turns her in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the circle within her apartment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, her husband's a jackass.
[SPEAKER_03]: The problem with New York City.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do you think it was a problem?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, I think that one of the other great things about the movie is the comedy elements in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ruth Gordon's character, even at the scariest reveal at the end when she's talking about, he chose you of all the women in the world, he chose you.
[SPEAKER_02]: She is just funny in everything she does, even when she's super annoying.
[SPEAKER_02]: She shows up at the wrong time, she goes through their mail, all of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, again, we're talking about contrast, little bits of funny, make the scary
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole movie is almost like going up the first lift on a roller coaster, because it gets more and more intense with no relief for the plot as far as it goes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: The whole suspense, the entire thing is, is this real or is this inner imagination?
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you go wrong for that, along for that ride, the entire time.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never, I never, I don't lose that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I stay with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you were to just to, and you probably folks, if you're listening still, when I did the recap of the plot, it's a pretty outlandish far-fetched plot.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it is introduced in drips and draps, just little bits at a time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you are, you buy into it, because it gets, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: more and more far-fetched as you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not thrown at you that she's living in a satanic building.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to get all of that in pieces.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that helps you buy into the suspension of disbelief.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything else that you liked about the movie in particular?
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, I think that's a good recap of the highlights of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, now I'm sure you probably have some problems with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Always.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we will take a short break.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about William Castle and the things we would have changed about Rosemary's baby on Hicks Nick sticks picks.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned in the first segment that the guy who did the phone booth cameo was William Castle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was not as much of a well-regarded filmmaker as he was a showman or showman, as you might say.
[SPEAKER_02]: His biography, which I have read, is called
[SPEAKER_02]: he was about.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have framed posters from his movies in my basement.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a huge fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: He made 13 frightened girls.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have over there, Mr. Sardonicus, just all of these sort of schlockey films and he was big on gimmicks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever heard of a movie called The Tengler?
[SPEAKER_03]: I do not know the tinkler.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am creeped out by just the name of the tinkler.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: The clotted horrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: The flot of the tinkler is that when you get sort of chills going up your spine when you're scared.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's because your spine is alive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's scared.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can subdue it by screaming.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, if you scream it goes away.
[SPEAKER_03]: This does the batman fight the tinkler.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's even better than this is that it's Vincent Price and he says well, how can I capture the tingler if anyone can scream and defeat it?
[SPEAKER_02]: He finds a deaf mute woman and scares her to death.
[SPEAKER_02]: She can't scream so the tingler is out walking around but the The gimmick of this movie and he always had a gimmick was the fact that he had buzzers Under the seats of the movie theater that would vibrate the seats at scary moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, here he is explaining it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here is the great William Castle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am William Castle, director of the motion picture you're about to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel obligated to warn you that some of the sensations, some of the physical reactions, which the actors on the screen will feel, will also be experienced for the first time in motion picture history by certain members of this audience.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because there's buzzards in the seats and only on certain members.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he couldn't afford buzzers for no seats and it had to do with the people that owned the theater.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because my father actually had his grandfather owned a theater that was allied with Columbia Pictures and they got the buzzers and they only put in like four or five of them because they're paying in the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who had did someone have to sit there doing the movie and try to get them because they couldn't have done manually or automatic.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were, and you can probably tell from that little piece of footage of the way he comes out on the blank screen.
[SPEAKER_02]: He fancies himself sort of like an Alfred Hitchcock type.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the first thing I thought of with Hitchcock.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's not as classy of a filmmaker.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of his other gimmicks, he had something called, the buzzing seat was called Percepto.
[SPEAKER_02]: He also had Emergo, which was a 3D movie, but at the very end, a skeleton that was hidden in a box beside the screen would literally fly over the crowd.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was probably Emergo.
[SPEAKER_03]: This guy would have loved living in 2025.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he would have.
[SPEAKER_02]: He also did a movie called 13 Ghosts where if you were too scared to see the ghosts, you were given a ghost viewer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you looked through the blue, you did not see the ghosts.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you looked through the red, you would see the ghosts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might have that back for us, but that could be fun as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like the creativity of this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: The best one is for the movie, Mr. Sardonicus, where at the end of the movie, you had to vote whether or not he was guilty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because of this, and my father remembers handing out these phosphorescent thumbs, and someone at the end of the movie, they would run the real of William Castle, coming back saying, does he deserve mercy or should he be put to death?
[SPEAKER_02]: and you would vote with the thumbs up or down.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is is he only filmed one ending because he knew everyone would want to say Sardonic is be punished.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's going to stuff he did.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it didn't matter.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was always, yeah, we're going to say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you think about it, if you're only looking at the back of a phosphorescent thumb, you can't tell who's voting for what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, his one before Rosemary's baby probably the highlight of his career was a very scary movie called Homocidal.
[SPEAKER_02]: This gimmick was it had a freight break that, uh, at before the climax of the film, he stopped the movie down for 60 seconds and talked about the freight break and you could leave the theater.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you did, you had to sit in cowards corner, which was set up in the lobby, and people would see you as you left.
[SPEAKER_02]: But homocidal, everyone agrees it was the inspiration for Psycho, which is a pretty amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's a little bit of the trailer for Homocidal.
[SPEAKER_08]: And of course, he's in the trailer.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the breathless dispense of a psychotic urge to kill.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is.
[SPEAKER_00]: If home society is your hobby.
[SPEAKER_00]: May I recommend a surgical knife for a nice clean quiet murder.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was just a showman with the really in a wheelchair or was that from that.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's a plot point from the movie that a homicidal.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, well, they're a gimmick for Rosemary's baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted a gimmick, and the fact that he was raped by Satan on the way out.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, not everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he was, I mean, the fact that he made these slucky movies that are really kind of fun to watch nowadays, it's all based in the fact that he understood the crowds.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's very successful because the way he promoted his films, when he first read the novel of a carny.
[SPEAKER_02]: 100% 100% and when he first read the novel by Ira Levin, he said, this is a great horror movie and it was before it had even gotten very famous.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't even at the top of the charts yet William Castle went out and bought the rights to the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: and once the book became very popular, all the studios were bidding on it, but he had it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what he said is he would sell it to Paramount as long as he could be the producer, and he made a lot of money off this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did say that it was a cursed set because of Roman Polanski's involvement in the Sharon Tate murder, and also the
[SPEAKER_02]: William Castle got a bad urinary tract infection on the set.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he blamed that and he went into sort of seclusion after that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was not the murder during this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did they?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, it came later.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just thought it was a curse set.
[SPEAKER_02]: The thing that he wanted to do and it's something you brought up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was all about the reveal of the baby and he wanted to build a horrifying baby
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to be as scary as what people imagine and you know he was a showman he wanted to show it and he they held for they held held really strong on that they said no we're not going to show the baby and he said okay whatever we're not going to show the baby and I think because of that that's one of the reasons the movie holds up because the hard inside your mind is so much better
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: If to show the baby, it have to be like the baby jumps up and grabs the knife and kills her and then the movie ends.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but then on that one, that would not last.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be the quick scare.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you wouldn't buy it and then it would not hold up, not just on the baby, really smart move.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now also you brought it up and I was going to bring this up as well because there is very little resolution at the end of the movie it's one of the things I don't like really okay why don't you like it because there is no resolution it's just it lives us leaves us with this whole moral like
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you kill the baby?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, raise the baby.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just let these weird devil worshipers be?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there are no questions answered at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the questions early in the movie are answered, but the end is up in the air.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say that I kind of like the ending.
[SPEAKER_02]: because it leaves it unresolved and because of that you don't have closure and you leave the theater or leave the movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: The problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no closure.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no justice like she has been screwed with for a year by all these people and it's like, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you believe the theater with no resolution.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's still scary in your head.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, also, uh, some other thoughts that I had is that, well, it's always bothering me that the name cast of that is too much like Casavetti's who played guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they should have chosen a different name.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just too close.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that Rose Mary accepts the involvement of the cast of that's too fast?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, because they don't know anyone else there.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're new to the build and it's like this friendly new neighbor So I completely bought into that the guy turn work.
[SPEAKER_03]: I does not want to go over there and suddenly he's the most fascinating work guy in the world Yeah, he loves was a little much a little
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would have liked to have seen that be a little more spread out, and also see what Roman said to Guy that got him intrigued, because it couldn't just lead off with, hey, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you saw me your soul, I'm going to make your famous actor.
[SPEAKER_02]: There had to be a process.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: How did Guy get involved?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we know he wasn't before involved, because he's a failure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I have a question, were you bothered by product placement?
[SPEAKER_03]: I do not remember any product placement standing out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I was drove me crazy at one point when Guy comes in.
[SPEAKER_02]: He opens a brand new carton of Paul Mall cigarettes and dumps them out on the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Paul Mall was in on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Scrabble, the game scrabble is not only a game they play, but is used to solve.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they solve the crime with it or the crime or the mystery.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yamaha is all over it because it's Yamaha commercial.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it turns out that they gave Yamaha actually gave Roman Polanski and John Casavetti's motorcycle's to ride during the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they kind of paid for it with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the time-life building, time-life is mentioned three or four times and there is a cover of time magazine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Sean.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they thought that would be a round forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess, I guess, but I mean, they could have said a different building.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could have used a fake vaccine, and also at the very, very, and after she's seen the child and she's so upset, they offer her not tea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lipton tea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you like some lipton tea?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I, yes, but they was also like, it's just normal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lipton tea is in what everyone drinks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you went there was a lot of product placement.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that threw me, again, I wasn't familiar with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And did you feel that when you saw their building and there's I'm getting somewhere with this, it looked like the only murders in the building building?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or they did?
[SPEAKER_03]: It did.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the same type of building, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's, here it is, is that the building they used for this is a building I've actually visited in New York City, the Dakota.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when they go into that big arch to see their apartment,
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the exact spot where John Lennon was shot because he'd love him to code it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And but only murders in the building is also based on the Dakota and the fact that they had a lot of famous people living there and they mentioned that in this movie as well that the was that the Bramford has celebrities and actors living in it and the Bramford was named it turns out for Bramstoker who wrote Dracula.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the other things that drove you crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like how they treat Rosemary at all in this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think either.
[SPEAKER_03]: From the very beginning, they put her down as she's like this woman and guys the man and guy, and then the entire movie is just gaslighting her to being like you're crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't like how they treat her at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it was a product of the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was a focus of the movie to show like this to build up the bad energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is sort of a cerebral horror movie in that way because again, first time through, you don't know what's true and what is it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that she's being messed with is really psychologically disturbing, because you know, they're supposed to be a happy couple.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have sex all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: They sewed this and they'd be a big glove.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did that ring any bells in a speaking of sports and you're speaking of sports mind?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I knew someone named Sean Saperstein at one point, so that's where my mind went.
[SPEAKER_02]: Abe Saperstein is the guy that founded and owned the Harlem Globetrotters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, it seems awfully coincidental that you would choose the exact name for the doctor, but that is an odd coincidence.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's a great name for an evil doctor.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is absolutely, and that's Ralph Bellamy, and he is super evil.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'll tell you, I like that, I know we're talking about things we don't like right now, but I left off on things I like, is the tennis that they can go back to the tennis.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, tennis route.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that it's not a real thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: They made it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that they made it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not like, oh, that's never happened with cinnamon or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they made something up and I'll tell you one more thing I don't like about this is Yeah, there is so much evil and like that it's all one side.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no God presence.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like all Satan and Satan's coming to conquer the world and Satan's Satan's Satan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Instead of like when you get other movies you normally see both sides.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there was no contrast there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree and they even sort of go out of the way to sort of disc the Pope and talk about religion in a very, almost a negative flavor.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Pope had been visiting New York in the scene and they say, you don't have to, you don't have to think anything of.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me just demand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Think of the money they spend on robes and jewels, you know, it has, it's
[SPEAKER_02]: It sort of flirts with an anti-religious, I mean of course a movie about Satan is going to be anti-religious.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I just love the whole evil is just all around us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: These people all have your doctors evil, your neighbor is evil.
[SPEAKER_03]: The lady taking care of your baby is evil.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're all evil.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also I didn't buy the fact that a New York City apartment would have a working fireplace.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, why not that because it's a department building how many chimneys would you have to have I would think they would have replaced it by a gas something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know just seem to have a chair chimney.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, but I mean that's pretty pretty dynamite apartment with the fireplaces.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what celebrities live.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay, okay, this is before central heat there.
[SPEAKER_03]: true.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they had air conditioning in 1968.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: And send heat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing that is I found fascinating is when they were wooing Mia Farrow to be in this movie, they sent her the script.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now at the time, you know, who she was married to?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, Frank Sinatra quite a big age difference there, but that was Frank's wife at the time and he read the script and closed it and gave it to me a Farrow and said, I don't see you in this, but with Frank, you need to listen to little things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: She took the role anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: The movie went way past schedule.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was supposed to be in a movie with Sinatra called the detective.
[SPEAKER_02]: and he got so pissed that she was paying attention to this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: He actually had divorce papers served her on set.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's another reason she's probably out of all mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not just making this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Another reason for this movie to be cursed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, but here's something to think about.
[SPEAKER_02]: She is a Nepo baby, Mia Farrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Her mother is Maureen of Sullivan, who probably best known for playing a Jane in the original Tarzan movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in the 1940s, she was linked with Frank Sinatra, which means that Frank could have been with the mother.
[SPEAKER_02]: and the daughter.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is as scary as anything in Rosemary's baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that is, I mean, that's, that to me just blows my mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't, I can't do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, we had, uh, that, that, I don't even want to just conceptualize that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is definitely a movie of its own.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is, it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also the artwork, another thing I noticed that I had noticed before I have the criterion addition of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a beautiful transfer.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you look closely at the baby carriage in it, it looks like a pattern.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like the, is that a baby?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that they show on the baby?
[SPEAKER_03]: I know that's me.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's me, Efero.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the baby carriage up on a mountain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it looks like a Pac-Man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe so.
[SPEAKER_02]: some designs.
[SPEAKER_02]: So any closing thoughts before we close the book on Rosemary's baby?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think we'll do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we covered everything for this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I must ask you out of a possible ten.
[SPEAKER_02]: How many, uh, I guess Charms filled with Tannis root?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you give it?
[SPEAKER_03]: How many evil dead eyes?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: How many, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: how many co-mars exactly how many I am given.
[SPEAKER_03]: Second, we can rail, I'm going with the seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I can see other people giving it a lot higher.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am happy, well, I guess I should have actually this earlier.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have tried to remake this movie, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they did a couple of sequels that were ill advised, but they did, they did remake it as a mini series on TV and it was horrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say you can't remake this because it would be bad, and I like the way this stands alone.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, this music so creepy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is, it's really rough.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to the 7, I enjoyed it, and I, I'd recommend if you haven't seen it, give it a try.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would agree with you on seven, but I'm going to bump it up to seven and a half because it is such a great capture of that time in New York and it's weird because it's 1968, but the movie is set three years earlier, but it really just feels like you are in that time, the flavor of it is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I give it seven and a half, what was where I give it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I also hold in my hand,
[SPEAKER_02]: Our movie for next week, kicks me off, I'm gonna say I can't have red paint.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I don't have red paint, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, it's spooky season, so let's see what we have for a week six.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is exciting, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's... There's cross the tower.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not gonna be color, I don't think, but we'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next week's movie is, indeed, in black and white.
[SPEAKER_02]: Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein from nineteen forty eight now this is a comedy film I was gonna say this is you're putting a comedy for spooky season
[SPEAKER_02]: But it has Frankenstein.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has Dracula, well, the Frankenstein's monster.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has Dracula.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has the wolfman.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has the invisible man.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has all of the great universal monsters in a very palatable, short black and white film for you, Josh, that will make you laugh.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not the baseball team.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does not have the baseball team, but you know, strange that may seem baseball players have very peculiar names.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's all I know about Aberde Castella.
[SPEAKER_02]: have you seen them at the uh... did you see the film of them performing who's on first that they have at the hall of fame yeah it's on a loop right it's just that it's not all the time uh... i don't know about it the hall of fame but i've seen it
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are great, but this movie is my favorite by them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, Robert's favorite movie growing up for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he, he said, what movie you're going to do next week.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, Abbott and Custella make Frankenstein.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, if you need someone to come in and offer counterpoint, he would do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: How far is he like that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, just he wants to comment on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He loves the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but for someone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think also without, you know, letting too much go, it's the grandfather of all funny scary movies like Ghostbusters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ghostbusters would not exist if not for this kind of movie in the 40s, but I look forward to getting your take on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We will be back next week.
[SPEAKER_03]: We can stream it for 399 on most streaming services.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or
[SPEAKER_03]: Thursday, tomorrow morning at 6.45 a.m.
[SPEAKER_03]: It will show on the Sunday at the channel.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're kidding!
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what it says.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, sadly, we won't be released in time for people to catch it with some of these guys have missed it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You'll have to do another check or pay the $3.99.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I will be doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it might also be on YouTube if you poke around, but just take a look, this movie never disappoints, it's a fine film and we will talk about it next week as we continue spooky season on HicksNixSticksPicks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Josh, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love talking about this one with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: How Adrian?
[SPEAKER_02]: He will be stronger than strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: He will live longer than long.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is Adrian, and you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not the same Adrian from Rocky to different baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just so you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Too bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if, so that's just what happened on my story line, if he weren't a worship saint, he could say, yo, Adrian.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's a sucks change in stuff that's needed between movies, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we make it happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Show some red eyes would be a nice flashback.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be back next week with another fun-filled episode of Hicks Nextick's Picks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's William Castle next week.
[SPEAKER_02]: I promise.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I did like discussing in Josh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see you next week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Talk to you then.
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