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understand what we're up against. And I'll tell you what, perfect lead into this. If anyone understands what we're up against, it's the author of To See the Cage is to Leave It, the new book with 25 techniques, the few used to control the many, ladies and gentlemen back, our good friend, Etienne de la Boite Squared. Hello, good to see you again, man. How are you?

Etienne De La Boetie2 (02:49.108)
Hey Charlie, I'm doing good. It is good to be with you and your audience once again.

Charlie Robinson (02:55.45)
You and I shortchanged my audience a little bit a couple of weeks ago when we had a phone call for the ages and we realized about halfway through we should have been recording it. So we're like, you got to just come on. We'll pick up sort of where we left off, but it's great to talk to you. I wish I got to spend more time with you in Mexico this year, but we did chat for a little bit. So it's always good to see you at these events.

Let's start with this, since before we get into the book, let's start with the event. Let's start with the Narcopolco, because you and I have talked about this in the past, and there was some fuckery afoot by those in Hollywood. So let's discuss this, because when the Anarchist program came out, it was a six-part series by HBO, and they had been filming that. I guess they'd been filming it for years. I didn't really know much about it, because it was a little, it was before my time.

But it came out, I mean, I knew some of the people, I recognized them, but I didn't know a ton of them. know, I'm always a bit unsure about the Hollywood scene, you know? You're tempted to want to go that route because you know you can reach a bunch of people, but God, whenever they get a hold of something, they just bastardize it. What was the situation with this?

series and what do we know about the group that was working on this?

Etienne De La Boetie2 (04:18.734)
So, you know, one of the things I like to say is that the most powerful weapon in organized crimes arsenal is control of perception. You know, can you get people to believe that they're not free independent human beings, but they are Americans and by virtue of where they're born, you now get to tax farm them for half their income and overt taxes, covert taxes and inflation.

And so part of that system is propagandizing the people against people that don't believe in government, i.e. the anarchists. And so when that docu-series came out, I'd been an attendee at Anarcho-Polco since the original one in 2015. I'd been a mainstage speaker for a couple of years. I'd had the best-selling book, my book, Government, the biggest scam in history exposed.

was the best selling book at an archipelago for three years in a row. so, and I threw the biggest party of the conference, not thrown by the conference, something called the turtle party, where we would take hundreds and hundreds, almost like almost 400 people, you know, on luxury coach buses out to our favorite turtle sanctuary where we'd have this party. And so I was, I was really, you know, when it came out, I recognized it classic.

hallmark of propaganda of you know of just absolutely designed to make us look bad I was distrustful a lot of the people that were involved in the the documentary because I believe that the anarcho-polco conference had actually been like there was like a bait-and-switch in 2018 where you know like the original anarchists were kind of out and kind of controlled opposition voices were in

And so like what I did is I did a real deal investigation where I interviewed eight different, you know, former Jeff Berwick employees, conference employees, people that were in the, in the conference. And then I did a set, I think it's up to six parts now, six part investigative series, like, you know, rolling back, like who was involved.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (06:36.33)
And so one of the most interesting things, you know, to talk about, you know, on the Hollywood side of it is the producers, the executive producers of the docu-series, The Anarchists on HBO, one of whom was a, was the executive producer on a documentary about a future coronavirus pandemic that came out in January of 2020.

Starring bill gates and vaccines and in this doc quote unquote documentary They're going there. You know, they're talking that you know in the future, okay, there's going to be another coronavirus pandemic and but it's okay because Bill Gates and these hero scientists are working on these vaccines and that's going to really you know Save the day as one example of one executive producer another executive producer

Charlie Robinson (07:29.884)
Yeah.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (07:34.51)
and i i didn't know we're gonna talk about this i thought we're talking so i didn't i would have had notes and and

Charlie Robinson (07:39.452)
We don't have to dwell on it, but just that there was a...

You know, there's just, when you get producers that come in with an agenda, you can cut and you can take footage and cut it any way you want, right? You know, with a good editor and make people look bad. And I think there were some, I think there were some things that in that series that people should have done, should have been better about, you know, I think the anarchist community left themselves open for critique and some of, with some of the behavior of that. But again, it's like anything, it's like.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (08:13.1)
No, no, no, I think it was acting. So I think the whole thing was produced and that's really the, you what I, the, know, that you can find the investigation at artofliberty.substack.com. But like the, the case that I make was that, you know, it was a kind of an engineered hit piece designed to make anarchy, people that don't believe in having a ruler. Anarchy doesn't mean no rules. It means no rulers.

and the rulers don't want you to know there's an option on the menu called No Rulers and so they're using this media propaganda system that I break down in government, the biggest scam in history and then to see the cages to leave it. They're using that system to make and denigrate anarchy and in the docu-series The Anarchist, they're doing everything from putting subliminal images and text on the screen

to representing the people involved. that there's like, you've been to an archipelago, it's a high end crowd. It's entrepreneurs, it's business executives, it's investors. It used to be quite the, I haven't been in a while, but it used to be quite the high end crowd. And so we're gonna literally point the camera.

at three or four or five people that are literally the riffraff, the scumbags that wouldn't even be in the conference if Jeff Berwick hadn't let them in and they didn't have free tickets and they're drug dealing into the crowd. And so they point the camera at that and then they tar all of anarchy with these scumbags and riffraff.

Charlie Robinson (09:36.315)
Right.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (09:55.694)
But like I said, I break it all down, but I just think that it's a good segue into the new book because one of the techniques is to use the media system. One of the 25 techniques, the name of the book is to see the cages to leave it, but the subtitle is 25 techniques, the few used to control the mini. And one of those techniques, and in the book I've got links to the investigation, but they're using

the monopoly media and even control of the dictionary where they've changed the definition of the word anarchy to mean chaos and dystopia. And in my book, Government, the Biggest Scam in History, actually compare the 1827 definition of anarchy from the Webster's Dictionary with the modern version from Merriam-Webster so you can see how it's been changed.

And then I break down a couple of the other scams of where they're really, you know, using these tricks to, know, that you wouldn't even know. Like if you watch The Anarchist, you might even not even, and you came into it blind and you had no idea who these people were or whatever, you know, you would come across with a bad taste in your mouth, not realizing that they were running all of these like little subliminal tricks on you to get you to not like.

anarchists. And so that's really, you know, that's one of the techniques that I expose in the new book. And that's one of the techniques that we exposed in this six part investigation.

Charlie Robinson (11:20.784)
Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (11:28.858)
Yeah. Well, and the thing about an archipelago is your trip is whatever you make of it. Every time I've gone has been real high vibe. Everybody in a good mood. Recently, the last couple of years since it moved, I think it's at a better, has been at a better location. I often tell the story on this show about how my first year there, my first real experience with like,

how this conference is different from everybody else's was that I was sitting at you know, at the hotel, at the main hotel in the lobby waiting and I see these three luxury buses pull up. And I say to someone, I'm actually waiting because I've got Ayahuasca in like 30 minutes, right? So I'm waiting for my group. But I go, hey man, what are all these buses here for? And he says, well, that's for the turtle party.

And I go, what's that? They're taking everybody to the beach to let the baby sea turtles out in the ocean. And I'm going, that's some anarchy, man. You know what mean? They're not taking them to the Molotov cocktail workshop? It's like, And the thing is that what I didn't realize at the time is that that was your deal.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (12:36.547)
Yeah.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (12:42.488)
you

Yeah, it's a fundraiser, my organization's called the Art of Liberty Foundation. And I originally started that party because some people wanted to have a bonfire on the beach. Somebody had a bonfire the year before. And so in my youth, as my first entrepreneurial activity, I used to throw parties in high school and in college. And so I said, hey, I'm gonna throw, everybody wants to have a party.

I'm gonna, you know, go throw this party. I walk down to the beach and I just start planning it out and there's like a bar here and I'll rent this bar and there's nobody at the bar. And so I go to the place next door and I walk in and I'm like, you know, and I am like, is there anybody here that speaks English? And they go and get this beautiful young woman and we start talking and I'm like, yeah, I wanted to rent out this bar. And I started looking around and there's like surfboards and there's turkeys, there's turtles and there's...

bunny rabbits and animals and I'm like, we wanna have a party, do you rent this place out? And all of a sudden, boom, I think the first year we might've had 50, 75 people, then the next year we turned it into a fundraiser for the foundation and we had, I wanna say two, 300 people and then we had almost 400 people the year after that.

but it dot that whole thing climaxed it it kind of midnight and we would everybody would be you know on the beach no lights you you can't not know cell phone key you know people had cell phone cameras but they didn't have the lights on you know they're trying to know but like like no lights cuz that throws the the baby turtles off and so everybody's in the beach in kind of darkness and they're releasing these turtles and it was just it was it is very fitting for freedom oriented

Etienne De La Boetie2 (14:37.982)
know, audience to be able to let the, you know, watch these turtles, you know, go through their captivity and then swim freely in the ocean. was epic. Everybody always had a good time at the turtle party.

Charlie Robinson (14:53.51)
You know, and there's plenty of nature documentaries. They could have very easily had those an archipelago cameras just follow that, right? And cut that in to it and make it about like, look at all these good deeds that these people are doing that they're actually like, they, they care about things that that was my disappointment with the whole thing was that it was that people weren't going to realize like, no, these people are really good people. They care about making the world a better place. And by the way, they're not out there.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (15:00.311)
Thank

Etienne De La Boetie2 (15:18.456)
Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (15:22.928)
trying to fix a broken system, they've moved on. As you mentioned, the entrepreneurial spirit that infuses that conference is part of when I leave each year. Part of it is like, I meet great people and I feel inspired and recharged. But another part is like, the entrepreneurial side gets you going too, because there's a lot of smart people down there with great ideas. And the first time I saw your book, your first book,

government the biggest scam in history and I've got it here. got it. We moved. I've got it in a box and I just flipped through it. went, you know how like when sometimes it's an idea that's so simple that you feel stupid for not thinking of it. Well, you wouldn't in this case because you thought of it, but I looked at it and I just went, that's just the smartest way to do a book for the visual learners. And now you're back and I've got it to see the cages to leave it.

you're gonna wanna get this. And the reason is because you need, you've got a, like at your house, if you've got like a coffee table and it's got some magazines, you know, like my wife will decorate with some magazines and whatever, some interior, you know, whatever. This is beautiful enough on its face to be on your coffee table, but shit, if you open this up, you're gonna get sucked in.

and there's gonna be some conversations. Can we talk a little bit about this because...

Charlie Robinson (16:57.797)
You're all about solutions here, man. And this isn't very refreshing because it's one thing to just say, we've got problems with government. We know that and we can identify it and, and, and we'd be right to do so. But you just hammer us with all of the things that we can do.

to be aware of how manipulated we're getting. And it's like, you read this book, man. I don't know how you could read this book and have the light not turn on. So congratulations again on this one. I don't know why this won't be like an Archipelco bestseller for three years in a row as well. Like, good job, Amazing.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (17:40.399)
So, you know, so what I do and I and I I don't want to because I just did a I did a podcast with James Corbett where I kind of broke down all of the tricks and the techniques that I use in the book and it's not really tricks it's most people are visual learners and they they come to insight much quicker if you show them an historical photo or or a visualization or a meme

And the information can flow in because information comes dramatically faster through the eye than it does through the ear. Or if you had to physically read, it's called the picture superiority effect. And if you had to physically read a description of a hammer, it's going to take you longer to physically read the description of the hammer than see the hammer. And then the idea of the hammer or the ideas that are presented in the book, they just come so fast.

that anybody kind of flipping through the book, you know, they don't have to read that much to get an understanding of what's coming at them and then they're hooked. And so the fact that you're using visualizations and I jokingly say, you know, I didn't like, you know, cause a lot, know you've got a high quality audience. know a lot of people that are in the audience already know this. I didn't write this book for your audience. I wrote this for your friends, your family, your colleagues.

who aren't going to number one, probably read a text only book and number two, so what I'm trying to do with the book is dramatically expand by two, three, four times the amount of people that will engage with a text only book. So now I'm expanding the amount of people that will engage in it and then once you see it, you can't unsee it. And I'll just go ahead and I'll...

Charlie Robinson (19:31.676)
That's it.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (19:33.375)
oil it for the audience. The government has been selling the idea of having the government, having a government as a religion. The religion is called statism. It is the completely indoctrinated belief in the legitimacy, the necessity and the desirability of having a government in the first place. And they're selling it using all of the tricks and the techniques.

of an unethically manipulative religion or a cult to get you to tithe. And so, you know, they're going to take kids, they're going to put them into a mandatory government school, and even if you go to a private school, they've got to teach to the government's curriculum to get their accreditation.

So even if you went to private school, got the government is legitimate, desirable, and necessary before you're old enough to really evaluate the logic and the morality of that claim for yourself. And so they're going to put you into this mandatory school that is the church of the state. And the teacher is the priest. And the priest is going to teach you about the holy documents of the Constitution.

And they're going to take you to Mecca in kind of middle school, Washington DC. And you're going to sing the hymns, the Star Spangled Banner. And you're going to be taken to the cathedral of the capital that looks like the Vatican. And you're going to be taken into the temples of Jefferson and...

Lincoln and you're going to see the deities of Jefferson and Lincoln and it's going to be hushed and it's going to be reverent and you're going to be subsumed in this and then the media is coming around and these you know like I said there was you know like you know the I use the example in you know anarchists where they're putting these subliminals on the screen well Hollywood is doing the exact same thing they're product placing the American flag

Etienne De La Boetie2 (21:41.195)
into moments of high positive emotion to get you to have a warm and fuzzy about the flag where you don't even realize why you have such a warm and fuzzy about the flag. But they've been doing it for decades. so that you're kind of, people are subsumed in this to the point of where they don't really even notice it unless you stack it up. And so in this book, something that's different from government, the biggest scam in history.

is there's a lot of video links and you can, you know, take your camera and you can, you know, hit a QR code in the book and it'll screen pop a video and one of the videos it screen pops is 469 product placements of the American flag in just 12 Michael Bay movies. And so, you know, it goes by, I know it's crazy. It's like, it's insane. And you don't, you know, you never really noticed this unless you like watch this like

Charlie Robinson (22:28.401)
Ha ha ha!

Charlie Robinson (22:36.251)
Reduce the ridiculous, man. That's how you do it.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (22:39.008)
It's ridiculous! And then you're like, whoa! I never saw it. Because I wasn't looking for it and I'd gotten kind of used to it. But when you string together, like I think the movie, you know, this video is like seven minutes. And they just show it like a second or two where the flag is on the screen. And then they have an arrow that points to the flag and they've got a counter. And it's going ding, ding, ding. And the counter is going, you know.

257, 258, 259. And then, you know, by the time you get to 469, you're like, how did I not see this? How did I not realize that this was going on? And, know, that's just one director and that's just 12, you know, different movies. And you realize, so whether it's, you know, the flag worship ceremonies at stadium events, the jet flyovers.

You know, those are examples of a marketing technique called anchoring where they get you when you're in this moment of high positive emotion. So you're at the ball game, you you're like, get the excitement of the crowd, get the, you know, everybody's got a buzz on from having a couple of beers, you know, you're eating fun stadium food and everything. And then they show you the flag and then they have the flyover and it anchors.

Charlie Robinson (23:55.751)
Mm-hmm.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (24:02.189)
the flag to that moment of high positive emotion or in the movies, you know, we gave that example of Jim just saturating the US flag through the, you know, through a movie. But like a lot of times what they'll do is the entire movie will build up to a moment of like high positive emotion, Rocky winning for the USA and then he wins.

He's gonna lose, know that he wins, and then he drapes the flag around and now you're at that moment of high positive motion and they're showing you the flag and they're showing you the flag and they're showing you the flag and I could go I go on and on what I'll give one more and then we'll talk about it because the one more is is is not funny because I find it abhorrent but another example of that is that they have manipulatively woven the flag

into the burial ceremonies for the military and the police as a way of tricking the population into into associating the flag with the memory of their beloved deceased and you see it all the time you see people that still have the flag in their you know their home on the mantle in the office or whatever and now every time that you look at the flag you think of your

the person that you love that now the flag represents because they're tricking you. And I just break down and it, you know, the, it's not really 25. It's actually probably 50 because there's a lot of them that have sub techniques, the techniques they run on the military, the techniques they run on the police. just, you know, I just kind of lumped them all together.

But you know, don't, a lot of things that people grow up and they don't like, why is the government doing that? Or why is that in culture? Or why is, you know, like they don't, they've never really thought about it. And then once you really like understand, they're doing that to trick me into thinking I'm an American, it's been decided for me. You know, they're like, now I owe them money. You know, now, like once you get it, like once you see it, you can't,

Charlie Robinson (26:03.675)
Hmm.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (26:10.687)
Unsee it and that's the gift that I'm trying to give to humanity is is is producing this book where your friends your family or colleagues Boom, I can take them to that moment of insight Where they get it they're like, I just never saw it before because once you see it like once you see it You know, there's a like one of the techniques that I'm using is called like, you know, you know human beings are really good pattern recognition machines and once you realize like wait a minute, this is like a

Charlie Robinson (26:37.808)
Mm-hmm.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (26:40.495)
They're doing this on purpose. Well, then your brain goes, that's artificial They're trying to trick me Nobody likes to get tricked. Nobody likes to get fooled, chumped, duped, taken advantage of then they're out because they're because the government because then they realize the government has been tricking me

Charlie Robinson (27:06.992)
Man, I had everything on your list. Like I was ticking everything off your list. Like the trip to Washington DC in middle school. Yeah, I went in sixth grade. And when we went there, was it spoken about in reverence? yeah, a hundred percent. I look back on that now and I think that's the...

trip to Israel, right? That's our trip to Washington DC, you know? That's where you go and you do the Washington Monument, you see all the things and and you know, as a sixth grader, I didn't know. I didn't know what I didn't, you know, I didn't have any interest in it. my dad, I remember before I went, my dad said, if you see Alan Cranston, who was a Senator of California, said, telling me sucks.

I just said, okay, that was the only thing I remember. So, but, yeah.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (28:07.023)
You know what, hey, since you brought up Israel, since you brought up Israel and the trip, how they take that, they'll, you know, they'll take the American Jews and they'll do this product placement and they'll, they'll give them a free trip to Israel and they'll blow their minds. And there, you know, a lot of them are young. They've never gone out of the country before being in a foreign land and they'll like, they'll, you know, run them through all these like really good experiences. And then they have it like, so it's the same kind of technique, but the, you know, the other thing and my other book does a good.

example of this, government the biggest scam in history, because in government the biggest scam in history, I break down kind of 20 techniques that really all the governments are using. And so this one focuses on the religiosity and the fact that it's an indoctrinated religion, but the first one focuses on the fact that it's a playbook. And all of these governments, the Nazi government, the Soviet Union, East Germany, and the United States, they're all running this playbook.

And so they're all gonna, know, all of it, like Israel is running the exact same playbook on their tax slaves that the United States is running on their tax slaves and Russia is running the exact same techniques on their tax slaves as the United States and Israel are running on their tax slaves. And North Korea is running the exact same techniques. And you know, it is a playbook.

And then once you realize that, well, wait a minute, why is the United States running essentially the exact same techniques as North Korea?

They have a mandatory government school. They have a military program for the kids that puts the kids into the uniform, single form kind of group conformity when they're very, very young. They get awards for regurgitating the fable of the government and the state. And like it's a program.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (30:06.946)
And we're using the exact same techniques as Israel and Russia and North Korea. And it really gets people to think when they see them, you know, like lined up like that.

Charlie Robinson (30:20.197)
It really does. mean, and they're going to keep running this play until we figure out how to stop it. There's a, there's a chapter in my octopus book called student body, right? And that was a play that USC used to run back in the sixties when they had OJ Simpson as they're running back, they just hand the ball and he'd run to the right and everybody would pull and they just, everybody would run to the right. And was an unstoppable play and OJ ran behind him and scored.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (30:45.73)
My high school, I played football in high school. We ran student body right.

Charlie Robinson (30:51.581)
student body, right? You know what I'm talking about. And I wrote that as the chapter name for the chapter on Israel. And the reason why I did that was because I was talking about how Israel is running this unbeatable play, which is whenever you get criticized, just claim anti-Semitism or whenever you're in Europe and get criticized, just bring up the Holocaust. so they had this play that was unstoppable that they would keep running and running and running. These governments

also have a play that they keep running that's unstoppable. So they're gonna run it over and over again. And that is shaking us down, keeping us in fear, managing our perception, coming through the school, the government school system. The best advice I remember getting was from David Rodriguez. When I said public school, he said, stop calling it public school, call it government school. And from that moment on, I've been calling it government school, because it frames it properly.

as the shitty experience that it is, right? That anything from the government is uniform, unisex, whatever, know, it's one size fits all. So I thought it was a great way of me reshaping my language to make sure that I framed it as government schools and talked about the police as wearing costumes and delegitimize their authority by making them look.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (31:53.219)
the

Etienne De La Boetie2 (32:14.095)
Mm-hmm.

Charlie Robinson (32:17.469)
cartoonish just off the bat, you know, and in these tactics. So they use them on us, right? We might as well at least A, know what they are so that maybe we can move out of the way of them or B, use them back on them, right? If we know how to, you know, if they're manipulating us by using these tactics, I mean, if I'm aware of the tactic, doesn't it make it infinitely more difficult for them to pull it on me?

Etienne De La Boetie2 (32:48.103)
without a doubt. And so, you know, I say that all the time, you know, once, you know, you can only be fooled by the trick until you understand how the magician does the trick. And so one of the things that I'm doing is I'm showing people how the magician does the trick. And then, you know, one of the other kind of interesting things about the book, both government, the biggest scam in history, and to see the cage is to leave it.

have become one of those rare book titles that people are buying in five, we call it a friends bundle, we've got fives and tens and people are buying them around the world and they're giving them to their friends and their family and their colleagues because at the Art of Liberty Foundation we call it the one way revolution.

You know, again, likes to get chumped, nobody likes to get fooled. Once people realize and see it with their own eyes and seeing is kind of believing, you know, and it just comes at you so quick when just you can even flip through the book and really understand, you know, like, like within, you know, 10 minutes of like what the book is like, you know, like telling you, then you're kind of out. Not everybody, because some people like there's a lot of, you know, especially if you've been in the military.

especially if you're, you know, your identity is around being a Marine or ex-Marine or, you know, or if you're getting a paycheck from the government, it's harder to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. And so it's not gonna, you know, it doesn't work in every single case, but I have just mad...

crazy, you know, examples of people that have taken their flags down and that have, you know, had life-changing experiences and I've got, you know, a collection of, you know, you know, of all these people that have written me to tell me their story of, you know, how they've taken their flag down. I'm about to go test it and I'm about to drop 15, 20 copies.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (34:58.179)
just on people that have flags with like a little letter saying, hey, I saw your flag. I don't think that that flag means what you think it means. You know what I mean? And I'm gonna see out of, know, of, you know, 15, 20 copies, how many people like just flip through this book and take down that silly flag. And because it really is like it's the flag signifies I'm being chumped, I've been chumped.

I've been, you know, I've been, I've adopted a artificial belief system that is, that's being indoctrinated into the population so that the population can be robbed, controlled and tax farmed. I'm, I'm literally flying the flag of the system that is stealing half of my money in overt taxes, covert taxes and inflation. I think I can win.

by voting harder in their obviously rigged elections. Like it means like, like, you know, to, to, people that are awake and to people that understand what's going on, the flag does not mean what it means to somebody that's a low information, voter or low information citizen or low information human being. If they don't get the basics of, how they're being robbed and, and, and, and, and molt.

You know, they're literally flying the flag of the system that is stealing their money. It's quite unbelievable.

Charlie Robinson (36:32.093)
You almost have to stand in appreciation of the manipulation that we've been under. mean, wow. the selling of the American flag as, I mean, I don't get weepy about it. I never have. I do think in retrospect, again, looking back on this as an adult, looking at

to what I was doing as a kid. When you stand up in the morning and put your hand on your heart, face the flag and recite the Pledge of Allegiance, to watch that now would be like an insane form of child indoctrination or like state as, I mean, I don't know. I I think I would burst out laughing if I happen to see something like that again, because to me, it's so obvious, as you said, that to see the cage is to leave it.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (37:02.201)
Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (37:27.473)
But when you don't know to be looking for it, maybe, and I didn't know to be looking for it, it just was one of those things that was so normalized.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (37:36.912)
Well, you know, don't, I don't hold anybody. Yeah. I don't hold anybody like it's a first of all, it's a trillion dollar system. So it's, it's a system that over the, you know, over the, over the past, you know, let's say, you know, 50, 60, 70 years, however far you want to go back. It's a trillion dollars worth of propaganda. It's hundreds of billions of dollars of propaganda a year with everything from, you know, them.

Charlie Robinson (37:46.418)
yeah, I mean...

Etienne De La Boetie2 (38:06.372)
paying, they were paying the sports teams $57 million a year for the flag worship ceremonies and the flyovers and like people don't understand that the government's paying for those flag worship ceremonies at the games but it's a control of perception where not only have they been weaving it into the television shows and into the movies and by the way it's 1,000 plus television shows

1,000 plus movies that we know of that Hollywood or that the Department of Defense or the intelligence agencies have had, you know, they've either provided funding or they've had script control or they've been able to actually rewrite history. There's a great documentary that I mentioned in the book called Theaters of War that I highly recommend. They're literally, the military and the intelligence agencies are rewriting history with respect to the...

the films, they're excising things like the My Lai Massacre and the fact we didn't find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. you never really, it's people, if they get all of their information from the television, which the majority of people do, they have no idea what's really going on. They have no idea why we're fighting these wars. They have no idea that these were lies and manufactured evidence.

And so, you know, people are subsumed in a trillion dollars worth of propaganda. But once you realize that it's going on, then you kind of have an op, you have a kind of little bit of an obligation to put on the big boy pants and go, wait a minute. These people have bad intentions for my, for my family, my friends, my neighbors, my colleagues. I need to do something about it.

I have to take some action. I've got to make sure that my kids have a future. But they had me hook, line, and sinker. I almost went into the military. I went and took the armed forces, the tests that you take right before you go in the military. I was in a recruiting thing until somebody explained it to me. And so I stand on the shoulders of giants.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (40:30.32)
Somebody had to explain it to me, but once somebody explained it to me, I'm like, I'm out. I'm like, okay, you had me, but no more. And that's what, that's really what humanity's gotta do. Humanity's gotta be real with how they've been tricked and they've gotta own it. like I had to own it and probably you had to own it and everybody else that's ever woken up.

Charlie Robinson (40:52.445)
Of course. yeah.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (40:54.776)
had to eventually go, you know, okay, I was fooled, I, you know, they had me hook, line and sinker, but no more now that I understand that they're fooling and tricking me and running these unethically, unethically manipulative techniques on not just me, but my kids and my friends and my family.

Charlie Robinson (41:14.501)
Yeah, there's no shame in getting tricked by the system. I mean, as you said, it's a trillion dollar system. It's been in place for a long time. It's very good at what it does. It manipulates people. fear, if the low information people, if they were just at home and out of the way, that would be one thing. But unfortunately, they're clogging up society.

and not understanding what's going on. And then, you know, of course doing the performative act of voting and then wanting to argue with you and you don't, and you just want to go, you don't have a 10th of the information that you need to have this, this argument. It's frustrating sometimes. And I know that you've spent a lot of time waking people up and you've, what is the, through your, through your journey of

writing, you you're writing books that are visual, but I know you're also throwing parties and talking to a lot of people. So what works and what doesn't work when it comes to connecting with an aunt or an uncle who you want, you think maybe there's a light there, you see something, they asked a question one time to you and you went, ooh, I think there's a chance with this person. How do you have that conversation?

without coming across as unhinged or.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (42:44.336)
Well, I think there's two or three pillars that have to fall to bring somebody from advocating violence on their neighbors through the political process to being a free thinking and independent human being. One of those pillars is you've got to understand that government is 100 % illegitimate on its face and that it's based on violence.

And that's pretty easy because I like to, you know, like the analogy I like to use is, you know, if you're on a desert island and you've got 10, you know, and it's you and nine of your friends, explain to me how you get a legitimate, you know, moral government. And so it's like, like a little puzzle that they want to try and solve. And there's really no solving it. There's no way that six people can force four people to pick all the coconuts. Like,

Like anybody can see that that's immoral and that's illogical so you can't do it by voting. You can't do it with a constitution. You can't do it with a coronation. You can't do it like... so like once somebody really gets that through their mind that you know that that's been a trick. The other thing is is even a little bit of a harder lift which is really you know giving people kind of like the basics.

of how the system works and so you know it's the banks at the top the banks create money out of thin air using a technique called fractional reserve banking they're stealing the value the process is inflationary so when you go to get a loan or a car loan they're not loaning you deposit or money they just you know credit your account with these digital dollars and then that

process steals the value out of everybody else's money and so they've bought up the media so the media isn't going to tell you why your dollars are losing more and more more value every year. Number one, they're stealing it. Number two, it's an economic warfare against you to keep people poor.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (44:57.712)
To keep them, you know, like poorer than they would be. We'd all be fabulously wealthy if it wasn't for government. You don't really need government. That's the other, kind of the third pillar is you don't really need government. Everything the government does would be done better, faster, cheaper by the free market. But those are the, but until people understand that they've bought all of the media, they've bought the search engines, they've bought the AI, and the money that they're spending hundreds and hundreds of billions a year

to control perception, to control the information that society receives, that's their number one weapon. And once people get that through their head and they understand, that's why all of the media is on board with the COVID. That's why all of the media is on board with 9-11. That's why all of the media is on board with the bailouts, even though 90 % of the country didn't want to give the banks.

Trillions of dollars they did it anyway You know once they get that then you know those those those are the three main pillars that need that need to fall and It's it's harder for some people like I said, you know if you're if you work for the system It's harder for you to ignore that paycheck if you went through the cub scouts the wee blows the boy scouts

Charlie Robinson (46:08.958)
Mm-hmm.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (46:24.142)
the explorers, JROTC, the ROTC, basic training, and then police training, it's a lot harder to get people to understand that they've spent their entire life to a system that's tricked them into a world view so that they will go and use violence on other people for the system. And that's really the, like,

like the big poverty of the system, you know, it isn't so much that they're tricking people into giving them money that the people don't really owe them. It's they're tricking the order followers into setting their morality aside and then using violence on peaceful people, either to, you know, rob people in foreign lands in these wars of occupation or on the...

police to raise revenue on their neighbors, to get them to go rob their neighbors on the highway and arrest people for victimless crimes. And that's really the poverty of it, the sadness is that they've tricked these people into shooting their karma and doing bad things.

Charlie Robinson (47:42.313)
So funny, I realized that most people have just never been asked their thoughts on this. I had a buddy of mine who I was trying to get him to recognize the flu numbers of 2019 versus the COVID numbers of 2020 and how they, the 36, 38 million that were one place and then vanished and then were somewhere else.

and I was trying to have him work it out in his head, right? And you could, he was verbalizing it for the first time and you could kind of see the little hamster on the wheel, you know what I mean? But, and his answer was nonsensical by the way, but I kept thinking like, sometimes you just need to ask, hey, cool flyover here at the Super Bowl. Why'd they do that?

Etienne De La Boetie2 (48:14.052)
Thank

Charlie Robinson (48:40.894)
Why did, hey dad, why'd they do that? I don't know. Why'd they do it? I don't know, why'd they do it? It didn't happen for free, right? Somebody paid for that. Somebody organized it. Somebody, as you mentioned, the military's paying sports leagues, I come out of the sports world, they're paying them for that. That's there for a reason. So the question is, okay, so who paid for it? The US government paid for it.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (48:54.224)
Mm-hmm.

Charlie Robinson (49:09.348)
US government paid the sports leagues to fly their planes over it at the beginning of the game. Yes. Why did they do that? What is that an advertisement for? Right? Is that just like, if you just ask one or two questions about something as...

Seemingly commonplace is that I mean everybody knows if you go to a big game like that that you know The planes will fly over they do it at the Rose Bowl You know, I mean, I've been stadiums where they've had that happen all the time. I mean, it's a thing Nobody ever asks why it's a thing

Etienne De La Boetie2 (49:47.202)
You know, it's funny that you brought up the Super Bowl because that's one of the pictures that I have in the book to see the cages to leave it. And in this year's Super Bowl, they didn't do the flag worship ceremony. What they did was they had Kendrick Lamar's backup dancers dressed in red, white and blue. And then while everybody's like rocking out and everything like that, then they all form the flag. And so they get that

that there you go, boom, there it is. So they get that anchor, okay, so everybody's in a good time, everybody's listening to a song that they like, and then boom, they're gonna show you the flag, and they're gonna do it in a way that I think people are kind of wising up a little bit to the flag worship ceremonies. So we'll do it in a fun hip hop way, and then in addition to them doing that, you know,

The other picture in the book is Mustard, the other rapper with Kendrick Lamar has got, you know, oversized flags on the, you know, like very prominently on his jacket. so like somebody instructed them to do that. Okay. Who did that? Who instructed them to do that? And then, then all of sudden you're right. Like you start realizing, Hey, they're weaving it into society.

while they have everybody's attention at the Super Bowl or at game or whatever and they're just, I'm gonna show you the flag, I'm gonna show you the flag, I'm gonna show you the flag at these moments of high positive emotion and then everybody's got a warm fuzzy for the flag without realizing they've been tricked.

Charlie Robinson (51:34.547)
No sense having to fly over in a dome.

know what I mean?

And the...

The infusion of Hollywood into it really, think people can now see with clear eyes. You mentioned the Michael Bay movies. It's not limited to that as we know. I thought it was funny that in my octopus book, I put a big list of all the movies that at the time, this was years ago, had Department of Defense involvement in one of them that cracked me up was Ernest Saves Christmas.

somebody at the DOD wanted wanted to say in the script somehow. I don't know. I don't know exactly why. But I looked at I remember coming across this and I was just like, these fuckers will find a way to try to manipulate us every way they can, of course. And they know us better than we know ourselves. They know how our minds work. Of course, once we start to get into the technology of filmmaking and subliminal edits and things like that, you brought up

Etienne De La Boetie2 (52:15.855)
Mm-hmm.

Charlie Robinson (52:45.455)
on Corbett's interview, something that I had seen years ago that was so fantastic. I wish everybody could see it. In fact, they should probably watch your interview with James Corbett because it's, it's great. It's a great one, but it's the, it's the signal, the signing off of the end of the television day. used to be a TV's on 24 seven now, but back in the old days, it used to kind of go off at like two o'clock in the morning before it went to like static snow.

And it would be like one of these like, God save America, like one of these things going on. But as the text of the words of the song are running across the bottom scroll of the TV, they're flipping from one set of words to the next set of words. But as they're making that transition, there's a third set of letters that are, that's underneath that, that if you slow it down, you can see

Subliminal messaging, right? So these guys have been doing, we're up against a massive technological advantage that they have, right? I mean, my God, like we, and that was happening in what, the 70s, right? So here we go, 50 years of mind control that we are not even aware of, like, holy shit.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (53:46.413)
Yeah.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (54:05.976)
Right, and so if you haven't seen that, know, so the human brain is really, really powerful. And even though it's only on the, you know, so they're scrolling, they're putting this subliminal text on there, obey government, obey government, God, rebellion won't be tolerated. So they're, you know, they're using, again, unethically manipulative techniques on the population.

And if you don't understand that this is going on, then you're somewhat crippled against it. Once you do understand it's going on, then you're empowered and kind of powerful and you can avoid it and you can point it out and go, they're doing that. It's a little bit like, know, you know, understanding logical fallacies.

When somebody uses a logical fallacy on you, that's an appeal to authority, that's a straw man argument, that's a bandwagon argument, you're able to deflect it. And so knowing that the government's running these techniques on that, you can point out to your kids or your family like, and then it just loses all of its power. And the fact that they're doing it on the sly.

Then now society's having an entirely different conversation about, you know, what's going on. The other thing, I'll say one more thing about the subliminal texts at the end of the broadcasting day is, you know, they have everybody in that alpha state. I can remember being a kid when, you know, when the, when the, when that would come on and I was like halfway asleep. And so you're in a suggestive state to begin with. And so they've got you in.

you know, state where information flows in and it's not critically examined. And so it's just the brain will believe it because it's not able to critically analyze it in that brainwave state.

Charlie Robinson (56:09.513)
So once you know this, it's not accidental. They're doing this intentionally. Who's doing it? The government is doing it. You go, okay, there is an entity, this government, that is actively, subliminally trying to manipulate me. Why should I believe anything they say to me about anything from this point forward, right? If I know, it's like...

Etienne De La Boetie2 (56:33.584)
understand why anybody believes anything they say about anything for years. once you know how many times they've been caught lying from the Gulf of Tonkin to Kuwaiti babies tossed out of incubators. Like once you... like to JFK to...

to weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to the story, the unbelievable story of 9-11. I don't understand why anybody believes anything the government says about anything. I am shocked and amazed. How many times do they have to be caught lying to you flat out? No ifs, ands, buts. 100%. Why would you believe anything that the media tells you about anything?

Charlie Robinson (57:22.687)
Yeah, I agree.

Charlie Robinson (57:28.937)
Where can people find you?

Etienne De La Boetie2 (57:29.058)
Now, well, hold on, want to, cause I want to, I want to talk one more thing. I want to add one more thing to it. So, you you said it's the government. So what, what I like to think of, I call it intergenerational organized crime. That's using the technique of government. Think of government as a technique for robbing and controlling populations. And so they're running government on the population so they can be robbed and controlled.

Charlie Robinson (57:35.515)
OK, save one.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (57:57.647)
But the government itself isn't really doing it. It's the banks at the top that are creating this unlimited amount of money. And that unlimited amount of money through the fractional reserve banking is what's allowing them to buy up the government. It's what's allowing them to buy up and monopolize the media. It's what it's allowing them to to implement AI on the population. It's what's allowing them to shadow ban.

authentic voices on social media. It's what's allowed. So the government makes fractional reserve banking quote unquote legal, which would be illegal if the government didn't give them the pass to do it. But the government really is this creature of the banks. It's the banks on top.

Charlie Robinson (58:29.513)
you

Etienne De La Boetie2 (58:52.25)
They're buying up the world with these little paper tickets. BlackRock and Vanguard and State Street and other asset managers are holding the ownership of companies that have been stolen through fractional reserve banking. And then those C-level executives and the editors and the publishers and the reporters

They're being collected into organizations like the World Economic Forum and the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group, where they're meeting in secure locations around the world on a regular basis where they're given their marching orders that, we're all going along with the COVID. We're all going along with 9-11. We're all going along with JFK got shot by a single guy.

Even though the story is physically impossible and implausible and violates the laws of physics We're all going to say it with a straight face together and then if you don't understand that the reporters and the editors and the publishers of dozens and dozens of Ostensibly independent media organizations okay, or organized into these front groups and we've got a

a poster in both Government the Biggest Scam in History and in To See the Cages to Leave It that shows dozens and dozens of ostensibly independent media organizations where the reporters, the editors, and the publishers are meeting regularly together in secure facilities. If you don't understand that they're all in on it together,

Because that's been invisible. So one of the other techniques that I do is I use visualizations to make what was invisible now visible and then by the way those three organizations the Council on Foreign Relations the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg group Jeffrey Epstein was a member of all three of those organizations to give you an idea of what kind of people are in those three organizations and So now all of a sudden it makes sense. Oh, well, I guess they I guess the media could

Etienne De La Boetie2 (01:01:07.694)
have been in on COVID together. I guess the media could have sold us a parcel of lies about 9-11. I guess the media could be in on what really happened to Charlie Kirk. I guess the media could be in, and you could control dozens of ostensibly independent media organizations, getting them all playing the same tune when you realize that all of the key reporters, editors, and publishers are in the same organizations.

with Jeffrey Epstein.

Charlie Robinson (01:01:42.643)
I think we would call that the big club.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (01:01:45.562)
that you ain't in.

Charlie Robinson (01:01:47.2)
No, you ain't in. Seethecage.com, artofliberty.org. Where else can people find the book? You gotta get the book. And I understand when you say people are buying five of them at a time to give to friends, the book is not for you, it's gonna have to be from you though. So, to your friends.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (01:02:02.231)
Alright.

Etienne De La Boetie2 (01:02:12.303)
See the cage calm is where you get those friends bundle. We call them friends bundles Please don't buy it from Amazon Amazon is stolen the buy box from us I can get into we should do a show just about the scam Amazon one day Please buy it at see the cage calm If you're gonna get the book, that's where you get its deep discounts on getting these five and ten friends bundles It will be the most impactful

powerful gift that you ever give one of your friends, family, or colleagues guaranteed or your money back. And the final one is I make everything available for almost everything available for free at artofliberty.substack.com. You can find that the interview that I did with James Corbett that you mentioned. You can find a lot of my writings there for free. A lot of the art, the one-pagers from Government, The Biggest Scam in History.

You can see some of those visualizations. And if you wanted to see that visualization, artofliberty.org forward slash white hyphen rows, have poster, we have literally a poster size of that visualization showing dozens and dozens of ostensibly independent media organizations where all the reporters, editors, and publishers are all members of the same three organizations.

that are meeting in secure facilities around the world on a regular basis so they can receive their marching orders on things like the COVID and 9-11 and to help you better understand the media. We're making what was invisible now visible through visualization. And once you see it, you cannot unsee it and then you are free.

Charlie Robinson (01:03:57.842)
It's those paintings with all the spots, right? Where you stand and squint and look at it you go, yeah, man, there's a giraffe in there. And then the dude next to you is standing, they can't see it, right? So once you see it, you can never unsee it. It's great to see you, by the way. Great to see you again. Hopefully I'll see you in Puerto Vallarta. Hopefully everyone will come to Inarcapulco and see for themselves. It's a great place, man. So it's a real, it's a...

type of people you want to be hanging out with. So hopefully you'll come and see us there in Puerto Vallarta in 2026. Macroaggressions.io is the website. Go check it out. Activistpost.com. Thanks everybody. Talk to you again soon.