Charlie Robinson (00:01.536)
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Charlie Robinson (02:21.804)
Now adding to his list of titles, author, Eric Hollerbach. How are you, Eric?

Eric Hollerbach (02:27.965)
Charlie Cook Tyler Robinson, how are you? Boy, you're

Charlie Robinson (02:31.054)
I am not. I was, there were a couple of, my name was having quite a field day in the, the, in the old algorithm, I'm sure there for a while.

Eric Hollerbach (02:42.016)
It was like, know, Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber panic attack, you know, and then Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson. So, you know, you were like right up there with like things that kids are Googling these TikTok dances right up there. How'd that feel? Was that weird? Did you feel like you were being trolled by the algorithms? The Archons?

Charlie Robinson (03:04.941)
There was an article I read where the way the sentences were lined up, where a sentence above it and then the words that flowed down onto the second sentence below it, it lined up in a way that made it say Charlie Robinson. If you looked at it with your eyes squinted, I was like, this is probably not good. I'm imagining there's some sort of, don't know, patience.

Eric Hollerbach (03:23.608)
Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (03:31.478)
spell being cast on me or something. It's probably some kind of word magic that's, it's like not exact. It's kind of half-assed, you know? I don't know.

Eric Hollerbach (03:41.644)
Yeah, so I've done some voodoo. So if you check out, I'm here promoting my book, Girls and the Demons Deal. I did some voodoo, but I stuck to candle magic. You you can stick to candle magic or, you know, you got to fly in some guy from Haiti who's got to like mess up your apartment. And, you know, is he going to fly a commercial plane in a loin cloth and then he's going to kill chickens and you're going to lose your security deposit.

Charlie Robinson (03:45.422)
I'm good.

Charlie Robinson (04:02.435)
Not into that.

Eric Hollerbach (04:09.014)
So like, I would just recommend if you're in the Voodoo game, just stick to candles, you know, it's a little bit more appropriate. So I started writing this, yeah.

Charlie Robinson (04:14.21)
Yeah. Yeah. Hey, how'd you come? Just cause I, you know, you and I talk. I didn't know you were writing a book.

Eric Hollerbach (04:23.486)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I started bass...

Charlie Robinson (04:25.9)
Are you, you, did it, it undercover? Did you, did you just kind of do what I did with my octopus book, which is like, try not to tell anybody about it and just kind of quietly write it or, or what was going on.

Eric Hollerbach (04:37.698)
Well, what happened was the macro aggressions podcast interviewed a sweet boy called Brandon Thomas. Do you know about this guy? he said he was starting a publishing company and this really abusive person called Clash Robb Jr. started getting like texts from him on Instagram.

Charlie Robinson (04:47.21)
I am familiar with Brandon Thomas, he is sweet, isn't he?

Eric Hollerbach (05:03.73)
And then, you know, one thing led to another. And all of a sudden, you know, I drove up to the donkey ranch that he lives on. He lives on a ranch of donkeys. This is true. And I went up there and met him several times. And I had basically wrote 90 percent of this book at the University of New Orleans. And then I kind of was this side project that was just like it started, you know, when you're in college.

I was for screenwriting, but I was also taking non-fiction writing workshops. And I had this crazy roommate from Dubai, and I just started writing articles about the things he was getting into, which were hilarious. And it just started bleeding into my homework. I showed my roommate a photograph of tigers, and he's like, that's my friend Azamat.

And I go, yeah, he just has tigers in his backyard in Dubai. And he's like, yeah, sir. Well, you know, one of the lions like killed a maid, but you never run from a lion. And just, was like, what and who and why and where. And so I just kind of started then kind of going back. had some, you know, challenges when I was a teenager. And then just like, kind of like, from the frustration.

in my opinion, of being the best screenwriter in the world. And I've written like hilarious screenplays, kind of, you know, if Anthony Weiner were to be president and the amount of sexual blackmail that goes on, it's like, let's just put that all on the screen. I'm tired of the MKUltra network being in the shadows. What's that day to day? So it's, yeah.

Charlie Robinson (06:47.585)
Is this a-

Did you write Anthony Weiner the musical or what exactly are we talking about here?

Eric Hollerbach (06:55.64)
I was on your podcast 171, talked about it, Bonesman of the NSA. And it's just like this character called Dick Weiner, who every time he has a sex scandal, his Google hits go up. But he's shameless about it. He's like, yeah, I did that, what's up? And so he has this grassroots effort of brothels, sex shops.

local perverts just start sort of organizing around him. And then meanwhile, he's in Washington at that level being a pervert. And so you just kind of see how the degeneracy bleeds from the Pentagon level to the Main Street level. so that, and I also wrote a book called Kill the Bankers about a banker having a crisis of conscious derivative financial swapping and joins a vegan co-op.

So I've written like really fun movies and just from my frustration, I'm like, let me just kind of like touch on what the college process is like. What the process is like for an artist to try to wrangle his demons as his girlfriends cheat on him. I would know nothing about this. And, you know, just try to pull from my own life and kind of make allegories, yeah.

Charlie Robinson (08:17.486)
Yeah, is it autobiographical or is that what we're talking about here?

Eric Hollerbach (08:19.8)
It, this is my memoir, Girls and the Demons Deal. But I also wrote it because when I was at, at the new school, you know, I go all the way to college. I'm in like the business of acting class at Eugene Lang College. put in a VHS, right? And it's Colin Firth and the Irish actor, you know, famous Irish actor. And it's like inside the actor's studio and James Lipton is asking him questions. And then he's basically like,

Well, I was like living in a sewer, right? And then I was like pumping gas for the Pugoshin show. then someone was like, you want to be a movie, right? So I was like in drinking code, minority report. And then I was like in a pile of teenagers. And then someone was like, do you want to do a movie called Toe Recall? And it's like, do you not understand that this is a retarded fuck boy? Why are we watching it?

He just stumbles through life. Everything happens to him. He said nothing about acting. He was just like being tapped on the shoulder constantly, being a retarded person. Colin Firth is a legally retarded person. So I was like, well, let's put in an accurate portrayal of what it's like to be someone trying to be an artist. So that's kind of where I want to, how many MFA,

how many masters of fine art get acting degrees from Juilliard every semester, and then like how many people are ordained in a ditty party to actually, you know, make it in Hollywood. So like there's a little discrepancy there that.

Charlie Robinson (09:58.697)
yeah. Yeah, this isn't about talent.

Eric Hollerbach (10:06.104)
What do mean?

Charlie Robinson (10:06.434)
This is, you know, I mean, that's not the criteria that we, you know, we, you and I both lived in LA long enough to know that that's part of it, right? Like anyone can read the lines, like read the lines, read them again, read them like you're sad, read them like you're really sad, you know? But it's like, who's connected in that network? Who's willing to go an extra step? Who's willing to do this or that, you know?

I I knew plenty of Hollywood scumbags that were the type that would push somebody over the line and make them put them in a situation where they feel uncomfortable. And I never understood, I don't know, I guess maybe you'd have to really want it to be like an actor or actress to compromise yourself that way.

When you were coming up in comedy though, what'd you see with that? mean, because I'm assuming it's pretty much the same thing. You'd like to think it was always just about like who makes the audience laugh, but I'm sure that like anything, that's only part of it, right? Is there just a whole network of, I don't know, gatekeepers and people standing in your way there?

Eric Hollerbach (11:18.168)
Yeah, it's like, it's just for me, coming up in comedy, it's just the bumping was just so vicious and brutal. And I've been in like, uh huh.

Charlie Robinson (11:30.239)
Meaning like you're supposed to go up and then you get bumped off of the stage to like tomorrow night or something like that or

Eric Hollerbach (11:38.742)
No, like I always like kind of first come first serve, like early bird gets the worm. Every open mic and then, you know, which, sometimes are blended with, you know, performers that aren't in the open mic proper, but they've texted the host ahead of time and this and that it always gets blurry. But I've even hosted shows where like the list is the list and then some headliner who sometimes does that club does like 60 minutes and then I'm giving them a light and they're like, fuck you.

And it's just like, and then when I've gone into fights with people and like, this was insane. This is just clear narcissism. If you think that your soul is worth more than the 60 souls listed on the, on the thing and that, you know, so it, just becomes impossible. So I've done like free shows in New Orleans and other places for years and years. And then just for that to turn like, you know, sometimes headliners

will give you like $100. So then where is the point where you go from, you know, from the opener to the, it's not like you're an apprentice plumber, right? It's kind of like a shape shifting camera of fame that can kind of come and go. And so you can't, the structure, the structure of college is kind of fair because I did see a lot of people fail out that didn't do their work. And so I like structure. I like,

where it's like fair and I like you come in with your homework and then we all give each other notes on our writing. Like I thought it was fair, but you know, to be honest, I could have done that with.

Charlie Robinson (13:17.164)
Yeah, I saw that in the book. You mentioned that in the book. There's the Paul Dano character, the actor who doesn't come in and is, and you are very upset that it's unfair that he gets to miss all this time when attendance is a huge component of the grading criteria. And clearly this guy's not going to be here. You in this book are...

annoyed by it all. So I would imagine that the comedy world being as inherently and structurally unfair as it is with all the trappings of Hollywood. And we know how unfair and nepotistic and insane that industry is that for somebody who appreciates structure, order, and decency, comedy has to be hell for you.

Eric Hollerbach (14:13.204)
It's, I mean, imagine this, okay? You're in class and then someone doesn't have to, so the syllabus might say something like attendance. They might even say something about class participation, because class participation shows that you've done the reading, which I always did. I'm a good boy, I'm a good student. And then so none of the rules apply to this other person who leaves for six months and then, or for six weeks and then comes back and then.

you know, even at the final performance, everyone's supposed to get 15 minutes. This person shows up 70 minutes late, and then because they were late, they get to do 35 minutes at the end. Okay? And so if, even if college thumbs the scale to who's famous, a shape-shifting chimera of fame that comes and goes with Smoke and Mirror, fame is over fairness at every single level. But I just thought, you know, you put your head down, you work hard,

and you kind of stay on your own yoga mat and you don't look at how stretchy and flexible and beautiful everyone else is. You got to just mind your business. And it can be extremely disheartening. And speaking of movies, Dr. Reiner Fulmick is in jail right now for making a Nuremberg level two for kind of signaling that he saw clear Nuremberg violations with the COVID scandemic. And now in response to that,

the Vanderbilt family is making another Nuremberg just to make sure that a certain group is the victims. Like the Nuremberg from the Nazis, right? So we're getting the Vanderbilt family is making another Nuremberg.

Charlie Robinson (15:53.866)
yeah, we know what

Eric Hollerbach (15:59.032)
While all the legal lessons from Nuremberg are known and studied by generations of lawyers, doesn't matter because the lesson of Nuremberg is that a certain group is the victim and that's what you really need to know. know, World War II ended 80 years ago and there are 168 Holocaust museums, brick and mortar, full-salaried Holocaust museums. There are 500

Charlie Robinson (16:27.279)
It's an industry.

Eric Hollerbach (16:28.748)
There's 500 blockbuster films already about the Holocaust. And today, a certain group is committing a genocide of their neighbors. And you can't call it a Holocaust because this group has trademarked that term for their suffering. So it's more it's like, you got to just put that a trademark. It's kind of like saying that.

Charlie Robinson (16:52.431)
Well, it's like when Pat Riley trademarked three Pete, know, back with the Lakers, know, Netanyahu is going to trademark Holocaust two electric Boogaloo for, and make sure he gets paid on that every time it's played. Yeah.

Eric Hollerbach (17:00.632)
Right.

Eric Hollerbach (17:06.134)
Yeah.

Eric Hollerbach (17:11.96)
Yeah, and then the Vanderbilt family licensed that for him for another blockbuster movie. It's like saying, like, you know, two people, like, hey, man, you hit my car. No, no, no. How dare you say that? My grandpa died in a car accident 80 years ago. No, no, you... Wait a minute. You hit... You hit my car. No, no, no. Wait a minute. I'm sorry. Are you a vehicular manslaughter denier? Because there are 168 museums and 500 movies.

Charlie Robinson (17:26.607)
I would never hit your car.

Eric Hollerbach (17:41.44)
showing that I'm the victim here. Wait, well, not wait, you just ran over my dad, my mom, my cousin, you're snuffing out everyone who lives in the whole Glendale Strip, you've...

Charlie Robinson (17:51.926)
I-

I have questions about the vehicular manslaughter numbers.

Eric Hollerbach (17:55.435)
You know?

Eric Hollerbach (18:00.268)
Yeah, well that sounds very anti-buick to me. That sounds anti-buick.

Charlie Robinson (18:07.247)
Well, you take that up with the Red Cross when they officially reclassified it in the early 90s as 1.5 million, but really, as they said, it's probably more like 270.

Eric Hollerbach (18:18.9)
Well, Ole Demergaard can talk more about that. That's not my lane. I'm staying on my own yoga mat. But all I see is Ben Shapiro like...

Charlie Robinson (18:26.083)
Yeah, well, especially with that German accent of yours, you better be careful when you start talking about ze juice, because they may round you up like they are in Germany. They are putting people in prison for wrong thing. They are busting people like C.J. Hopkins for writing, putting swastikas on the book cover of his book, The New Normal. So we've seen the authoritarian crackdown in the homeland recently.

Eric Hollerbach (18:55.692)
Yeah, I mean, and Dr. Reiner-Folmach was doing the same thing, seeing how these Gestapo tactics, these hidden hand tactics were being used in the COVID thing. No, no, no, you can't draw that parallel because you're kind of revealing our playbook. So let's go back 80 years ago and explain who the real victims are. It's like, well, no, there's other things that have happened. You can't live in the past of like the it's like a sad person like that, you know.

doing like talking about their high school football days. It's like, no, no, no. There's things happening right now that we have to deal with. You can't just live in the past in this doom loop. You gotta move on, you know? Sure, bad things happen to people and you know, but yeah. Anyway, I was a German exchange student.

Charlie Robinson (19:44.208)
I know. I know you were. it sort of goes into it a little bit in the book. I mean, you and I, know some of this because we, you and I have talked over the years about your experience, but the, was the German exchange student, how was that scenario? Because I don't, I don't think I ever knew anybody who, went anywhere in an exchange program, but I mean, I knew about them. I just didn't have any personal experience. What was yours like?

Eric Hollerbach (20:15.376)
yeah, well, first they came to my house in like October of 2002 and he was a very austere German man and he came, let's call him Yock. Okay. I've said his full name on other podcasts and I probably shouldn't do that. and, the first thing we noticed was like, we were like, Hey, you know, you can use the shower whenever you want. And he's like, why should I? I've showered like four or five days ago.

And then like we, he, you know, he took over my room and I was sleeping in the basement. And so that, but we had to like, when I had to go up for like clothes or socks or underwear, you know, type of thing, it like smelled like terribly. And we were like, well, you know, here's the shower. And he's like, I don't need to. It's like, okay, buddy, here's the shower. I don't want to make a faux pas, but like use it please. And then when I went over there, that's the one rule they said, they said, Valsor Ossorio Toyar.

So they're like, water is very expensive, you know, so don't shower every day. That was one of the things. And I, that's the only rule I disobeyed, but I was like, I like for 20 seconds got wet. Then I lathered up then for 20 more seconds than I rinsed off because the girls were very attractive and some of them were into me. And if you think I'm going in with stinky britches to see these foxy broads, you got another thing coming, my friend. started, I mean, my German was okay when I was, you know, training at

New Jersey Public School for two years before, but boy, when I saw those girls, I started conjugating my verbs, if you know what I'm talking about, you know?

Charlie Robinson (21:49.921)
I know, I know what you're saying, I know what you're But you had no chance with the purebred French broad, did you?

Eric Hollerbach (21:52.152)
You

Eric Hollerbach (21:59.02)
Well, there was a girl in my high school who, you know, over lunch, Joch just explained to me that I had no chance with her. And I was like, no, I got a crush on her. And he's like, she will not go for you. And I was like, what do mean? You've never met her. And then he said, well, she's like pure French. And I was like, what? Like it didn't make sense. I was like, okay. Like, yeah, she's from France. I'm from America. You're from Germany. What are you talking about? People like each other.

And then, you know, have you ever seen Beauty and the Beast? Like, I don't even know what you're talking about. And then he's like, no, but she's like pure French, like 100 % French. And I was like, okay, what do you say it? And he's like, I don't know. Like it would, and then he goes, you're like a mutt blood. Cause my dad is German Irish. My mom's Italian. And at the time I thought I was part Native American too. And I was like, what? So like in his mind,

Like she was like a Ferrari and my semen was like 52 octane gasoline. And he was pretty convinced that if we bred, we would make a series of web fingered retard babies was like basically what he was saying. we're like, well, like she's like, you're like genetically inferior. What do you mean? And so I was like, I think your people tried some of that bullshit before. It didn't really work out for you. Did it? And then literally that was like our last conversation.

other than when's class, when's breakfast, literally. So the last month he was at my house, we did not talk. Then I went over his house, literally we did not talk. It was like crickets over breakfast. But then I was like super popular in the high school. So it was like, and then he was, and then I was like, frightenizing with like the most beautiful girl in his high school. And I remember I was looking up,

Charlie Robinson (23:46.807)
Eric Hollerbach (23:57.196)
And he was like at the second floor of the quad. I was like in the middle of the quad canoodling with this, like literally the hottest girl in his high school. And he was like looking down at me with the sinister with his hands ringing and he was like, you know, and cause he got no action in Jersey and he got no act. None of the girls like even talk to him. They talked to him less than I did. And I live with the kid. So like, I was like, man, you know, thank God I'm funny. And it also seemed like.

the sort of more liberal arts education in America was like superpowers in Germany because they were so austere. I remember they were telling us about, you know, it's not uncommon for there to be nude beaches. There was like, this was an assembly of like all of the people, like all the German kids, all the American kids, all the professors. And it was like, we were like greeted like the Beatles when we showed up to the German high school, cause they were

It was like 200 kids that were sick of each other. They'd known each other since they were zero and now they're 15 and they're sick of each other. So when 10 American kids came to a 200 kid German high school in Clayfield, Germany, it was like crazy. So there was all, like the whole school practically was in this building and they were explaining that, you know, sometimes there's naked people at beaches and don't be bashful about that. That's just our culture here, blah, blah, blah.

And so I just asked, like, is there any fishing opportunities? Cause I was like, you know, do, did a lot of trout fishing in, New Jersey when I was growing up. And then I just made this one joke. was like, yeah, but you probably shouldn't trout fish at the nude beach or you could have a terrible injury. And I killed so hard. And then like, I noticed like, okay, this is pretty easy here. That's a pretty easy joke in Jersey. And then like, I was super popular in the German high school.

and it completely enraged him. Yeah, it was like this one is so-

Charlie Robinson (25:53.039)
so that's where you got it. You cracked a joke and won the crowd in high school and then you've been chasing. I get it. You've been chasing the laughter dragon ever since.

Eric Hollerbach (26:01.258)
Mm-hmm. Mm, I, yeah, I've been chasing.

Eric Hollerbach (26:10.664)
Yeah, I mean things went well, things didn't go well. I hosted the Battle of the Bands and that went terrible, but then I also ran the Sketch group and then I went on to Upright Citizens Brigade and I went all through the levels there. I was a very accomplished improv guy. yeah, it's like I've always known that the best part of my personality is I'm pretty funny and I'm pretty good at writing. So I've kind of pursued those arts only to be so horrified by the vicious nepotism.

Charlie Robinson (26:41.026)
Yeah, well, welcome to- but then again!

You know, that's kind of a good lesson for life because as soon as you get into, you go through school, you're told like, work hard, do the right thing, then, you know, work your way up and you'll be successful. And then you watch assholes, psychopaths and scumbags leapfrog past you in the corporate ladder because you're nice or doing it.

one way and it feels extremely unfair. And what I learned once I went into corporate world was that there are no rules. Like you think there's rules. I thought that I needed to get a job, work there for a long, long time. And if I did well,

then they would make me like the manager or something like that. After I knew what I was doing, proved that I knew what I was doing, they'd see that and then they would make me manager. And I didn't ever want to be manager, but I remember thinking that that was the process. I remember starting in new home sales, getting off to like a really hot start, selling a shitload. They came to me within the first two months of me working in the business. I had never worked in the business before. Within two months, asked me if I would be the manager. And I was like, I'm unqualified.

They're like, yeah, it's not like that. Like, it's okay, you'll figure it out. And I was like, wait, you don't have to know anything? And they're like, no, you just, we'll just say you're the manager. I'm like, but I would be overseeing people with 20 years of experience. They know I don't know anything. They go, it doesn't matter. I was like, so I remember having this revelation that like, this idea in my head that like, there's a chain of command or there's a chain of like, oh, you start at the bottom.

Eric Hollerbach (28:08.696)
Right.

Charlie Robinson (28:31.586)
you work hard, you work your way up. There's other people, they started at the bottom, they work hard, they work their way up. And then you get in there and you realize whoever's buddies, whoever goes drinking with the manager, they're going straight to the top, not you. Like if that's what your thing is, like it's totally unfair, whether you're in the corporate world or whether you're doing comedy shows or whatever. I connected with your, I mean, I connected with the parts of the book that are like where your...

character, let's just say, you know, is just frustrated by the injustice and inherent fucked up nature of it all. I get it. So.

Eric Hollerbach (29:11.532)
Yeah, and if we're in school for the degree, okay, and the degree is to get a job and someone like, I don't know, let's pull a name out of a hat. Paul Dano had been a movie star since he was 15. And then he leaves school to go be a movie star. He should not get the credit because by the syllabus he failed. But what I realized was if the teacher has a crush on you, none of that matters. then I, for leaving during...

when the class was supposed to end, was Doc's more points because I did, my thing and then I was, you know, ready to leave when my dad showed up in his, Buick. and then, but I was the teacher, I walked out of the room and she goes rude, you know, and it's like, okay, I can't give you a lecture about narcissism right now. I'm just going to leave. And then I got a B minus and, but it's like, I also was in the library because

Eugene Lang College didn't have a library at that time. So we had to go to NYU, which is like four blocks south of us or eight blocks south. And I ran into Haley Joe Osmond and I go, what are you in school for? And he goes acting and he was in the sixth sense and he already has an acting agent. You're done. You don't need to be in school for four years to get an agent, to get jobs as an actor when you have agent and jobs as an actor. Right.

Mr. Dano, I don't know what he was in school for maybe philosophy something like that. Maybe French poetry I'm not sure what his track was but it's like if the thing is to to get the degree at least don't give someone the degree when they when they play hooky for six weeks But you play hooky for six weeks and you still get it It's like give me my loser coupon. Like what are we doing here? You know

Charlie Robinson (31:04.611)
We're playing real life where every where the rules are written in pencil and It's not fair and you're made to see that you're made to see the injustice of it It's rubbed in your face and then you have to go on about your life and try to like figure out like make a calculation like how much of this is bullshit and I'm gonna play the game and how much of this is You know, just I remember

Just my experiences with corporate world were always not good. There's always some inherent unfairness kind of built into the system. I interviewed for the, what turned out to be the worst job I ever had in my life, which was commercial real estate. And I interviewed seven different times for the same company. And on the seventh interview, they brought me in and my attitude had changed.

probably the reason why it turned out to be such a bad job. The president just sat me down and said, all right, I just have a couple more questions. And I just said, I have to stop you. Like before you answer. I said, either hire me right this second or I'm walking out the fucking door. No more questions or anything like that. And he laughed and he goes, what took you so long? And I was like, is that what we're doing? Is that what we're doing? We're trying to...

Eric Hollerbach (32:25.689)
So he was testing you to if you know that, yeah.

Charlie Robinson (32:31.811)
to see if we can push me into a frustration where I walk in and tell my potential future boss to fucking hire me or I'm walking out the door. That's the baseline where we're starting. I didn't last seven months in that job. It was the worst job I ever had. It the only job I've ever had where I literally stood up in the middle of the office, a cube farm, and screamed at a woman to shut her effing mouth.

or I was going to come over there and shut it for her. And I was like, who have I turned into? Like, and by the way, for the record, she 150 % had it coming to her. So it was one of those things I was just like, dude, if this is the real world, I'm not interested. And Eric, I'll be honest, I'll never forget this moment in that job was that I had gone out, I talk about a perspective changer for me. I'd gone out to lunch.

Eric Hollerbach (33:11.02)
Mm-hmm.

Charlie Robinson (33:29.473)
And this building was in like a seven story high rise that had a lobby with elevators. I'm coming, walking right back, I'm walking into the front lobby to get in the elevator to go up to our office. And I see the guy mopping the floor. And I think to myself, now that guy's got it figured out. He's got nobody up his ass. He's got nobody telling him he's doing it wrong. He's not, nobody telling him where's the, you know, you know.

where's the data, where's the sales, where's this? He doesn't have five bosses screaming at him. And I thought, you know what, if I'm envying the guy mopping the floors, I've made a tremendous vocational error and I need to be somewhere else. And so I don't know what that was in your life for you, but for me, that was a turning point in my life where I realized that like,

Eric Hollerbach (34:13.08)
Hmm.

Charlie Robinson (34:23.606)
It's more than just a paycheck. Like I have to live this life as well. It's not just about getting paid every two weeks and going, I'll just suck it up for the time in between those paychecks. Like, fuck that. That's no way to live. I don't want to do that. And I had to like get honest with myself about like what makes me happy. Like, so what was that for you? Cause you've been through it. You've been through the wringer. You've been in New York. You've been in LA. You've been in New Orleans. Like you've fought the battles in the comedy world and the writing world. Like what was it for you?

made you question like, is this something that I actually want to do or should I go, you know, I mean, or should I be selling fucking snorkels at the beach and somewhere else?

Eric Hollerbach (35:04.664)
Yeah, I don't know if we talked about this before, I think maybe on my podcast, but yeah, I was working at 19 Entertainment in the penthouse of 9,000 West Sunset. like, well, I worked my way up in reality TV where, cause I was an intern at Comedy Central at the new school and I had like nine internships. I worked on wainy days with David Wayne and like the state people from MTV. They had like a web series and

I had like really good credentials. So then I worked on Amazing Race and Shark Tank and I landed at this show called If I Can Dream, which was Hulu's first reality show. And I had told, I really impressed them because I would always stay after my shift. The shifts were these brutal 24 hour shifts where we're basically surveilling these Hollywood hopeful kids. We rigged the house kind of like a brick.

brother house, we were surveilling them 24 hours from this penthouse corporate office. I would, so my shift was like from 6 a.m. to four for one week, and then the next week it was 2 p.m. to 10, then the next week it was 10 p.m. to mid, so it was like absolutely crazy making, the sleep disruption. But I would even stay after, because sometimes I was jet lagged, so I would stay after or before.

to watch the edits, because that's where the actual room was happening. And so I really impressed the creative story producer. And I wanted, I realized that being in a story producing role is the only way I can kind of get my writing out in the reality show world. And it was late at night and maybe the story producer was, you know, delirious too, but he let slip. He's like, I heard about Brian Singer's house last night. And I was like, yeah? And he was like, yeah, for his party.

He had like 12 and 13 year old naked boys in his pool for like an ornament. And I was like.

Eric Hollerbach (37:09.912)
what? Like, you know, I had been sleep deprived for a month and I was like, I'm sorry. It was almost like my German exchange student like, she's like pure broad. I was like, what? Like, what? Like it like took a minute to translate what they were saying. And

Charlie Robinson (37:25.015)
Yeah, you know, the boys, the children over at Brian Singer's house, you know? Come on, like, as you do.

Eric Hollerbach (37:29.59)
You know, the naked boys for the ornament for the pool party? And I was like...

What? You know, and the story producer comes out was a Freemason and Brian Singer's a Freemason and that's how I knew about that. They're just like all the people in that neighborhood had all these like mansions and whatever, whatever. That's how it is. So I said to him, I go, so when you found out about this, like you called the SWAT team and then the pedo SWAT team went over his house and shot all the kitty fiddlers dead, right? And he looks at me he goes,

Charlie Robinson (37:36.557)
I'm

Eric Hollerbach (38:03.552)
I don't think that's how it works. Anyway, so this scene, what we're gonna do is they go in the burger place first and then they're gonna turn right. And I was like, what? So then my next paycheck was like three paychecks, right? And so, yeah, I'm not joking. And then I went to the line producer, cause I'm such a good boy. And if I, I was later told if I didn't, they would have kept it.

Charlie Robinson (38:19.609)
Really?

Eric Hollerbach (38:32.792)
So I went to the line producer and I said, I think there's been a mistake. And then they changed it back to my original salary. Right. And, I was like, like you at that office, give me the job where I'm walking. They gave me the raise and saw, just saw what I would do. Just beta testing slaves because rich people that have all the money, what can you buy? You buy people, you buy influence, you buy this. You saw like, they let me know certain things. And then we're like,

Charlie Robinson (38:57.38)
Hmm

Eric Hollerbach (39:02.316)
Here's money, whoops. And that was like a real, and then later the show ended abruptly. And then like, I was like out on my ass again between reality shows like I was before just cast it out. And I wonder if I never said anything, if I would have just slipped into another thing. Cause now I'm in this little secret club, you know what I mean? And, but I was like, this is all bullshit. So I just need to.

spend all my time on stand-up, you know? And then I went to grad school because one of the people that I was working on one of the shows with was a nice lady and she said, well, I got to be a story producer from school. And I was like, I like school, so I'll go back there because, you know, this world is fair and no meritocracy. And that's a lot of the book is me in in grad school. But I actually loved my time at UNO because I'm really good at screenwriting.

Charlie Robinson (39:46.575)
Yeah, in academia.

Eric Hollerbach (39:55.352)
If you think Girls and the Demons Deal is fun and entertaining, I'm actually just way better at screenwriting. It's just because it was my discipline. so, you know, but it's like being a screenwriter is kind of like being an architect where like I have the blueprints of these fantasy buildings that would change the skyline of the world. But without financing hitting a blueprint, you're just, you know, someone with silly drawings, you know.

It's a mad world. I just, I mean, how else are you gonna not go crazy if you have a demon in your head and you try to be a good boy doing everything you're supposed to?

Charlie Robinson (40:36.225)
I believe this book will be used as evidence against you at your trial at some point. Yes, for sure. If that's what you're asking.

Eric Hollerbach (40:44.842)
Yeah, speaking of good boys, my publisher, Brandon Thomas, you always knew I was kind of... What gave you the hint that I was crazy? Like we've been friends for like four years now or something like that, but I think you kind of figured out early.

Charlie Robinson (40:58.703)
yeah, we've been. Yeah. When did I know that you were insane? let's say it's not, it's, it's a fun kind of crazy though. It's not like, it's not like stabby stabby. It's like, it's inappropriate comedy that you're, it's like, there's a line that everyone else sees and you maybe see it too, but you don't have a problem like.

Eric Hollerbach (41:10.882)
Mmm.

Charlie Robinson (41:28.463)
kind of going off to one side of it a little bit. Which I actually kind of appreciate to be honest with you because so many people are concerned about staying within the lines and I appreciate your ability to be unburdened and do that. So I think you take chances with your comedy, which is good. I think that's a good thing. You could write. I I learned, I'm not a, I'm not a,

fiction writer or anything like that. But I learned from my business partner when we were doing the sports media, who's a legit professional, well-trained, went to university to become an actor, actor, like who takes the role seriously and things like that. He taught me that when it comes to sitcoms, that the writing style is rhythmic, that there's a verbal pattern to it.

There's a la la la la la la and a la la la la la and then la la la la la la la la la scene. You know, it's this back forth, back, boom, boom. And then the scene, you know, and if you can, if you can write that way, if you can, if you, if you understand the flows of this comedic writing and, and, and my partner is spending a lot of time with people who are actual directors of legitimate shows that every single person would have, would recognize.

Eric Hollerbach (42:31.511)
Mm-hmm.

Charlie Robinson (42:51.671)
and he's talking to the director of this and he's, and who's explaining to him the whole rhythm of, and then my partner is explaining it to me. And I have of course, no interest or knowledge of how any of this works. It's just, it's just sort of interesting to me. I, then after he said that, I started watching television a little bit differently. started watching, you can, you, you'll notice it with friends as well. And of course, you know, they put the laugh track in there, but there's a, there's a rhythm and a tempo to it. And if you can write that way, which is not,

normal writing and it's not the way actual human beings talk to each other or anything like that. It's a very specialized skill and if you've got it and you can play the game, then you can work in Hollywood, right?

Eric Hollerbach (43:36.352)
Yeah, you know, but I ran into Daniele Boleli and he was always just telling me that like universities are dead and like you're only relevant as an artist if you chop your own path in the woods. you know, I really think that a show like Stranger Things kind of like broke a mold and that's why it was so successful. So there is like a pattern of, you know, sort of hacky formulaic sitcom writing, which has its place in the world. But I was always like,

whatever that line is, like you were saying, like you can push that way over the edge and actually get laughs. like, you know, just from coming from standup, there's some people that are like, you know, do jokes about airline peanuts or there was, there was like 30 years in the nineties where every Australian comedian had, he fought a shark, he got drunk and there was like a family drama. Like he had, there was like a formula to how they did.

stand up, was like fight with an animal, know, nature, family, like there was like a formula. And so I was always like, what is the point of your life if you're gonna follow a formula of something else? Like, you know, screenwriting format is one thing, but then it's like, you can paint all sorts of in and out the lines of that. Like there are the people that can...

that can play jazz and then there are the people that can put a kazoo in their ass while they're playing jazz. It's like that's all music, baby.

Charlie Robinson (45:06.477)
Well, a girls and the demons deal is essentially your kazoo up the ass moment and I appreciate it. So I'm glad you, I'm glad you, I'm glad you did it. But yeah, you get a little more, a lot more latitude when it comes to like maybe the screenwriting. I think you could, you could take some chances, especially now where the barriers to entry in terms of getting things made is lower than it's ever been in terms of getting access to high quality equipment and editing and things like that and having the ability to put it.

Eric Hollerbach (45:16.513)
Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (45:35.6)
on a platform and get visibility like, uh, you know, YouTube or rumble or someplace like that. And it's not a full Hollywood release, but when we put out bar in world, the part of the reason, uh, part of the, the criteria for raising money for it was that it was, it was designed to be a free movie in the end, but, but, uh, there's no one correct way to do it now, which is nice because in the back in the old days, you had to fuck Harvey Weinstein. If you wanted to get your project made.

And now you, you don't have to, but you, still, know, obviously the, the, infrastructure of Hollywood still remains, but it's just that there's those barriers to entry. feels like they've been lowered. mean, do you still have friends in Hollywood that are working? Like what's their experience after four years of the COVID insanity and everything that comes along with that? Like, what are they doing? Are they plotting their exit from Hollywood? Like,

like everyone else or are they just kind of stuck?

Eric Hollerbach (46:39.237)
Well, you know, it's kind of funny because I was alleging to one of my mentors who is in in my book and I talk about and she told me to get my master in screenwriting and she's still in Hollywood and I go, how's your life? And she's, you know, worked on The Bachelor since it started and she basically told me, you know, I'm in hell and I'm like, what do mean? And she goes, well, for

Like I have all the of my own screenplays and I'm stuck on a bachelor TV show where for 30 years I've been cutting bimbos, doing soundbites of them saying, I'm here to find love. I'm not here to make friends. That's been my life for 30 years. I'm in hell. And so, you know, it's like, you can get to the top of story producing, reality shows. And if you're at the tippy top, you're in hell because you're doing the same show. And, that's like a successful career. A lot of people.

Charlie Robinson (47:18.882)
here for the right reasons.

Eric Hollerbach (47:32.354)
You know, I was listening to, there was this sitcom in the eighties called Wings and I was listening to the producer of that talk and he was like, we, we just were over the moon for five seasons of Wings. And then when Wings ended, we didn't work for 10 years. And so like, that's a, you know, the whole production company. And you have to understand that when you're a production company, it's like four people that pitch a TV show, they greenlight a TV show, they hire 60 people.

when they're running five seasons of Wings, when the show gets canceled, they go back to three people and they go around pitching again. So I was always like, how do I be one of the three? And then it's like, get an advanced degree. I could do that. But a lot of it's luck, a lot of it's who you know, a lot of it's relationships. And if you don't have a trust fund where you can be

in the cities like if you're not in Santa Monica or Soho, know, taking the meetings, doing the networking with the, I mean, what are you gonna do? You're either plucked from obscurity, like I started this thing, what's his name? Colin Firth, know, or Farrell, maybe Colin Farrell, whoever dated Britney Spears, anyway, that stupid fuck boy. Farrell, not Firth, I apologize.

Charlie Robinson (48:51.257)
Colin Farrell.

Eric Hollerbach (48:54.86)
You well, it's Suess, it was like, you want a big movie. That's literally how it is. like, you it's just, you gotta make your own luck and you gotta like not go crazy in the nepotism.

Charlie Robinson (49:12.225)
I watched, my buddy made a movie. He and his brother wrote this screenplay. He and I had been working as bank tellers at Wells Fargo in Newport Beach. This was like in 92, was a million years ago. And one day I wasn't working, but he was and he got robbed by an old man. Like honest to God, guy pulled a gun on him and everything at the bank. And after that, he wound up having this idea about like, what if we robbed the bank?

from the inside. What if while this old man was robbing the bank, he foiled our plot where you were gonna come in and rob the bank and pretend like you didn't work there? And he had this whole plot for it. So he wrote this screenplay and raised $7 million and turned it into a movie. It's called Scorched. You can find it. It's like a real movie with.

Woody Harrelson and John Cleese and Rachel Lee Cook and Alicia Silverstone and all these people. And I watched him make it. was behind, I was on set watching them film his scene with Rachel Lee Cook and all that. And I'm laughing because I'm meeting one of the characters on the, was Dave Crumholz, who's like an actor. He's like a legit actor. Now he's playing this character, but the character is based on me.

And the characters based on us, when we were roommates, just like laughing, like sitting on the beach and I'm just laughing like, there should be like a dog rental, you know, where you could rent puppies and then we could use puppies to pick up chicks and things like that. so anyway, these asinine conversations wind up in the script and then eventually on screen in the movie. And so you see these things happen. I asked my friend like, how, you know, like how did it all happen?

In retrospect, looking back, there were so many things that had to go right and they had to get lucky. Obviously they had a good script, but even outside of that, the thing started and stopped a few times until the right people came in with money. And I thought, how do you even get anything made? And he never made anything after that. And he tried. And so you're right about the thing with wings. Sometimes he was like, I got this great show and it's a home run.

Charlie Robinson (51:28.522)
It'd be like winning, it's like winning the first time you place a sports bet in Vegas. Like it's the worst thing that could ever happen to you is to have success immediately. Cause then you think, this is normal. This is how it always is, right? But how many Hollywood stories do you hear of people that you know who have just been, know, next year is going to be the year, right? It's a sunk cost. I've already been trying 25 years.

Next year's gonna be the year where I'm gonna sell the script or I'm gonna make it big or it's just like, there's no guarantee that that's ever gonna happen. It's the most frustrating business because you can put all the time and energy in, you would have had a fucking PhD anywhere else. Instead, you're still waiting tables at Barney's Beanery hoping that you get a call back to some shit commercial that you didn't even want in anyway.

Eric Hollerbach (52:18.358)
Yeah. And even when you do get a PhD and you do everything right, you're Andy Wakefield and you get kicked out for making a peer reviewed paper. Who I talked to who now I'm friends with and it's like, geez. dude, he was on my podcast. He's so inspiring. What a great guy, Andy Wakefield. But I want to talk about the roughest part. I mean, it's just speaking of getting projects done and speaking of getting this book done.

Charlie Robinson (52:25.109)
Right? Right?

are you? He's great! Yeah, isn't he nice?

Eric Hollerbach (52:46.936)
Brandon and I almost had a falling out because he found out I was crazy. well, what happened was we, so we had finished this current, the one that came out has 35 chapters, right? So you can learn all about my Aunt Jenny's awful vagina up to chapter 35. And then, yeah.

Charlie Robinson (53:07.928)
yeah, by the way, early front runner for chapter name of the year, chapter three, my aunt Jennifer's awful vagina killed a doctor. That's gotta be in contention, Yeah, yeah, I read the chapter. So listen, for people who are thinking, is this the book for me?

Eric Hollerbach (53:24.76)
That's a true story.

Eric Hollerbach (53:31.448)
Yeah, it's a two pager. That's a banger right there.

Charlie Robinson (53:37.112)
Well, do you like books with chapters called My Aunt Jennifer's Awful Vagina Killed a Doctor? Because if you do, have we got the book for you. It's called Girls and the Demon's Deal by Eric Hollerbach.

Eric Hollerbach (53:47.138)
and

Eric Hollerbach (53:51.572)
And when you read the chapter, is it very clear that my aunt Jenny's awful vagina killed the doctor? Don't I make it that that's exactly what happened.

Charlie Robinson (54:01.146)
You know, surprisingly, yes, as a matter of fact, and you read the title to the chapter and you think, well, I'll be the judge of that.

Eric Hollerbach (54:10.712)
I know you're like, how could that possibly happen? That was the murder weapon. That's what happened. So we had a version that was like 52 chapters. And I had been, I got like, so there's a hardcover paperback E. Kindle version and the audio book.

So those are the deliverables. still, so I was like 30 chapters in recording the audio book on the, version of this book that had like 50 or 52 chapters. can't remember. So I was like, I delivered it three months go by. I'm 30 chapters into reading the audio book. And then also when you read the audio book, you have to like, you know, sometimes I misread or I cough or whatever. So I was like, even like clipping those down. So it was like a long process. So one night, um,

I get a call and then he's like, hey man, we're gonna, we gotta cut some chapters, you know? And I was like, And it was like 15 or 16 chapters. And I was like, well, no, we're not doing that. And like, you know, there was also stuff about we had to change some names and we had to get some photo credits and we had to, so I was like, why are you being a bitch? Why are you being a bitch?

you're worried you'll get sued. I'll get sued. I don't give a fuck. I'll go to court every day for this book. I will martyr myself from my own book. Like, and I was just kind of going crazy because it's like, I've been working on this book, like some of the chapters, like this book is like 20 years in the making. Right. So it's like, I birthed this baby out of my canvas womb. And then, you know, he's like, no, we're going to, we're going to chop this baby a third off its head. And I was like, the fuck we are. And also, you know,

So then I was kind of like in a tizzy and I was kind of like, well, let's like pause for, for, for a day. And then they came back and they're like, don't go, it's two books, one book about your personal life. But then you wrote all these essays about show business. That's another book. And then I was like, okay, you're right. Okay. Like, you know, but then there was also like a little personality thing. I kind of, you know, Brandon, he's just like such a positive person.

Eric Hollerbach (56:30.432)
And I thought he suffered a little bit from toxic positivity. You know, I kind of was thought he was maybe not a real person, like a realist or like down to earth. had a little toxic positivity. And then I realized that I'm a crazy person with a demon in my head. So like, you know what I mean? Maybe, maybe I'm just like a grumpy bumpkin and he's like just a sweet, sweet boy. And so then I was like, you're just a nice person.

Charlie Robinson (56:50.563)
There's that.

Eric Hollerbach (57:00.086)
like, you know what I mean? And so, you know, we're very different people.

Charlie Robinson (57:06.521)
He's a very nice person. He's overly nice. He's one of the most positive people. Brandon Thomas, Expanding Reality's podcast, one of the most positive people. I talked to him last week, the publisher of the book. Yeah, from Rediginal Publishing, that's their company, ridiculously original. yeah, he and I talk from time to time. He's fantastically positive and you are...

Eric Hollerbach (57:06.978)
But we can, he really is.

Eric Hollerbach (57:18.22)
the publisher of this book.

Eric Hollerbach (57:27.064)
Mm-hmm.

Charlie Robinson (57:36.271)
you know, borderline institutionalized, you know what I mean? And so the two of you guys together, it could be, I mean, you found a way to meet in the middle. am I correct in assuming that there's a part two to this coming?

Eric Hollerbach (57:54.028)
Yeah, there is a part two. It's probably like three years away. But one of the things that landed on the on the cutting room floor was a whole chapter about Jane Leno being a hoarder. And basically, you know, he has 300. So so just brief cliff notes about this. People don't know Rodney Dangerfield gave gave Jay Leno every dollar he's ever had. Dangerfield's

Jay Leno has $600 million and a car collection that he continues to injure himself on because he's a virile man. so he, danger fields in New York city went bankrupt during COVID. And I, I text them all the time. Did Jay Leno try to help financially danger fields get rebooted? Cause Jay Leno is such a cheap person. He would not pay rent. He would live in the, in the

storage closet of Dangerfield's club and then he'd live rent free in Dangerfield's different houses and apartments. He would refuse to pay rent and now luckily if you want to learn how to be a stand-up Jay Leno's teaching classes for only $500. Right? So do you see how narcissism doesn't end? So for $500 because Jay Leno won't a nickel won't fall out of his pocket to raise the community that gave him everything he's ever had in life specifically Rodney Dangerfield.

If you've never heard of Rodney Dangerfield, you would never know about Jay Leno. I guarantee this. So, you know, I wrote articles about Jay Leno. I wrote articles about Louis C.K.'s business model, Pig Newton putting stuff online, charging $5, and how disruptive that was to the industry and how the New York Times then went after him. So a lot of like articles that you can't really get anywhere else, but it's like, oh, these are showbiz articles.

This is like a personal life and then I have like another one coming out that's literally like a manual of show business of how it really works. This is like the spiritual end of it and then the other one is like a really practical like could be taught in a college setting. But yeah, they're like it's two books and I was like, okay.

Charlie Robinson (01:00:04.367)
I, when I lived in this, when I lived in South Bay, I remember one night, was Sunday night, I was walking down the main street and I see this white Lamborghini Countach, 1989 25th anniversary, old school, make a U-turn and pull in right in front of me, like pull, like.

pull right in front of this place. So as I'm walking down the sidewalk and I'm with these girls and I said, I bet you a million dollars, Jay Leno gets out of that Lamborghini and they laughed door opens up, Jay Leno gets out. go, she goes, how did you know that? I said, cause he, he plays every Sunday at the Hermosa comedy store, small place, probably fit 150 people in their maximum. And he'd play every Sunday while doing the tonight show.

And I know this was while he was doing the Tonight Show because they filmed a segment of the Tonight Show at our, at the restaurant where I was bartending. And I got to see like how the sausage was made. That like the man on the street interviews, like, let's just go interview all these nice people that are here just sitting out at this restaurant on a sunny day here in beautiful Hermosa beach, having, having, having a food. Let's ask them questions. It's like a remote, you know, like there's a guy with a microphone, but Jay Leno's on the.

on the screen, everybody's drinking Budweiser. Why is that? Because the Bud Rep is off camera and has bought beer for everybody in the entire bar so that everybody's drinking Budweiser when the Jay Leno cameras come through and do all that. So all that's coordinated, all the man on the street people that they're interviewing are all working for Budweiser. Everything about the entire thing was staged, rigged and fake. And I'm watching it going, hmm, interesting.

I mean, I kind of knew it inherently, but like, you don't even need to fake this. we, you know, you could have asked these other actual customers who I knew they would have been fun to play along with, but nothing about it was, was left to chance. And I remember thinking, this is supposed to be the spontaneous part of the tonight show where it's just man on the street and every, every aspect of it was fake and controlled.

Charlie Robinson (01:02:19.53)
And by the way, Jay Leno tried to hit on the girls I was walking down the street with. got out, hey, it's me, the whole thing. yeah, let me give you, good to be the king, he said as he's hugging the girls or anything. was like, just watching him. So yeah, we know Jay. We saw him.

Eric Hollerbach (01:02:33.496)
Yeah, but he just did a podcast. He just did a podcast circuit and he's playing victim wheeling around his wife who's 80, you know, with dementia. And he's like, you know, I'm a good husband with a wife with dementia. Meanwhile, he's hitting on girls and you know, whatever. He's disgusting. Jay Leno is a toxic hoarder. Well, it's like, it's like, yeah.

Charlie Robinson (01:02:51.354)
Well

He's a toxic order. Eric.

Eric Hollerbach (01:03:00.822)
have a dime knock out of listen. Danger fields put him up in his house here. There's turkey salad in the fridge. Play my club sleep in the closet. You shouldn't have to spend a dime. Do you think he would learn that behavior and then not charge $500 for his stand up class?

Charlie Robinson (01:03:09.978)
We eat.

Charlie Robinson (01:03:19.834)
Didn't Rodney Dangerfield not make it until he was in his mid-40s?

Eric Hollerbach (01:03:28.204)
yeah, he was doing, he was a door to door aluminum siding salesman. but he always for a sales tactic to sell aluminum siding or roving work and stuff like that. He had this joke book. And so when HBO first gave him a special, he recorded an hour and then the next month he called them up and he goes, when can I do that again?

And they go, well, you have to build another hour. And he's like, yeah, I know. So when can we do that again? And they're like, you have another hour of material? And he's like, yeah. And so then he does another. And then the next month he calls, he goes, when are we going to do that again? And they're go, there's no way you can, he's like, let's, do you want a bet? I got no respect in this, but he does it again. He did like six hours.

in like three years, because as a salesman, had like notebook, like thick, all he had to do was put it together. I used that one, I didn't use this one. He had 20 notebooks when Hollywood came calling, you know? So that does give me hope, yeah.

Charlie Robinson (01:04:27.248)
That's good. And what was the reputation of Rodney Dangerfield? Did he have a good rep?

Eric Hollerbach (01:04:33.214)
Amazing. He would he would take he would fly his openers in his private jet. Give he would take them get give them $30,000 cash, but they had to go play casino with them. And then he would and then they would do a show. He would do a residency. And he'd be like, Come on, come in. And then he would have like a bathroom and like

Charlie Robinson (01:04:35.236)
Really?

Eric Hollerbach (01:04:59.828)
Accidentally on purpose have his balls fall out of his bathrobe like he was a crazy person But he only he surrounded himself with comics and he's like, you know after he got divorced and he got taken for half You know, let's say he had you know 40 million he got taken for 20 He spent the other 20 on his friends very lavishly in his openers very lavishly I have not heard one word about this behavior from Jay Leno not one word

ever and trust me I know people who know people not once ever but like you know but you hear like Mark Norman would go around New Orleans when I live there get drunk with the open micers and he was like the best Jerry Seinfeld would take a plane in plane out and you were not allowed to look the openers Mark Norman in the green room wasn't allowed to look or talk at him

Charlie Robinson (01:05:33.347)
interesting.

Charlie Robinson (01:05:52.05)
That's so dumb. Do you imagine thinking that you're so special that people can't look at you? I heard that that was that Steve Harvey did that too from like family feud Steve Harvey. Don't look at me. Don't you be looking at me. Don't you make eye contact with Steve Harvey now. You hear that when you go out there, don't you make eye contact with him. What? Burst into flame?

Eric Hollerbach (01:05:55.828)
not allowed to look at him.

Eric Hollerbach (01:06:07.38)
Yeah... Yeah...

Eric Hollerbach (01:06:13.048)
Well, I think, you know, there's two sides to that story. There's two sides to that story. Maybe people were, you know, chatty hands were coming over his cubicle and he was screaming at them and they deserved every word of what he said to them. I don't know. There's two sides to that story. You know, you do have to prepare as a comic. And if he's in his green room looking at the notes of Family Feud and people won't stop knocking on his door, I could see how that's annoying. you know, but I'm not sure about that situation.

Charlie Robinson (01:06:38.0)
Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (01:06:41.445)
Trying to figure out how he can incorporate some joke in so that he can hug some white woman with big tits on the family feud.

Eric Hollerbach (01:06:48.632)
Well, that's a good scam. did that lady at the cubicle she deserved? The lady you yelled at at the cubicle did she deserve it?

Charlie Robinson (01:06:51.579)
Yeah, Richard Dawson made a career out of it.

Charlie Robinson (01:07:00.793)
Yeah. Yeah. It's the first time I've ever yelled at a woman and I yelled at her twice. Yeah. I told her, I literally turned to her one time and I said, your own fucking business in front of everybody in the entire office. It was like, and no, she was the secretary from Ferris Bueller's. Picture that lady.

Eric Hollerbach (01:07:07.992)
And she was just trying to annoy you

Charlie Robinson (01:07:29.087)
Ed, you look like Ed, look like Dirty Harry just then. That lady from, from Ferris B. That was the lady, that was the equivalent of the lady that I screamed at on two different occasions who had it coming to her, you know. The type of person who celebrated that she had jury duty so she could be out of the office and fucking up somebody else's life. You know, that type of person.

Eric Hollerbach (01:07:52.256)
I get it, man. Well, mhm.

Charlie Robinson (01:07:52.331)
Eric, you're the best. Still crazy, but I love you to death. I wouldn't have you any other way. let's wrap up. Tell everybody where they can find this book and how they can support you and how they can, keep up to date with everything that you're working on.

Eric Hollerbach (01:08:09.208)
Yeah, well, you can go to my name, erichollerbach.com. put out three stand-up specials for free on YouTube, Conspiracies and Dick Jokes, Fart Porn and Beer Hall, and it's a medical device. You know, and you can go to erichollerbach.com, click Eric's book and get this. And, you know, it's about good times, bad times, how a vagina killed a doctor. And no matter what happens, you know,

You can gather your demons too, strap them to a sled, mush them in a positive direction, but you'll need a star to guide you, one that shines bright. High over the mountain, you must climb, always out of reach.

Eric Hollerbach (01:08:53.378)
There you go.

Charlie Robinson (01:08:53.522)
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